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This is Tim Ferris and welcome to a very special episode of the Tim Ferris show where each episode I attempt to deconstruct world class performers to find what makes them tick the tools and tricks that you can use in your daily life, ranging from professional athletes to chess prodigies to billionaire investors to in this episode. That's right. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the man himself, the governor, the terminator, the man who killed the God damn predator people.
This was an amazing experience for me. Of course, there are many things that I associate with my upbringing, if you want to call it that, in the 80s, guns and roses. But of course, there's commando, there's predator. The list goes on and on. This man is a force of nature. And I had the opportunity, the rare opportunity, to visit him at his home in Southern California at the kitchen table. We dug into everything.
And I really wanted to dig into areas that had not been explored widely in any other interviews that I could find. And that ranges from the art of psychological warfare. He is a master. How did he apply that? What phrases did he use? Questions did he use to get inside the heads of his opponents? We cover that. What was his most lucrative movie? I'll give you a hint. Twins. How the hell did that happen? Well, there's a lot that goes into the backstory of that.
How did he make millions of dollars fresh off the boat before his act in career took off? A lot of people don't realize. He was a millionaire before his acting career took off. How did that happen? We dig into it. How did Arnold do his meditation for one year and just one year to completely reset his brain and prime the stage for massive success? And of course, mailing cowballs to politicians. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. This was an amazing episode.
I want to let you get right into it. The show notes, links, all that good stuff will be found at four hour work week. All spelled out. For more information, visit our website at fourhourworkweek.com Click on podcast or you can just go to fourhourworkweek.com forward slash Arnold. And without further ado, please enjoy a wild romp through the life of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Kind sir, I wanted to start with a thank you for welcoming me to your house.
Number one, but number two, I've felt awkward all morning because I don't know how I should address you and I wanted to ask you how I should address you. Well, you can address me there. Any way you want. You can call me governor governor schnitzel Arnold. Okay, but I think Arnold will be right. I'll go with Arnold. It's I felt like my first year in Japan when I was 15 because I didn't know how to address anybody. So I figured we could start with a favorite topic.
Well, to become a favorite topic is I've been thinking about this, which is big balls and cow balls and ball testicles. So you've mailed sculptures of ball testicles to people before, is that right? Well, there was one incident and a particular that was when I was governor and there was one of the leaders, legislative leaders, Donald Steinberg and I, we both had a huge challenge. California was hit by an enormous economically client.
There was a worldwide recession that was hitting us in 2008 and everyone kind of was caught by surprise of what effect it had. All of a sudden we had $20 billion less in revenues, therefore we had to make big cuts in education and in various different areas that really hit the vulnerable citizens of California. And so when we did the budget, I basically sent him up before we negotiated a set of balls. And you know, kind of just with a note, I hope you have that.
I mean, negotiate the budget because that's what we both need, but it will be all in this building need in order to get this budget done because it's not going to be a pretty budget because people will hate it. They will hate us. They'll be making those cuts, but it's all the money we have. And so he didn't take it lightly. Did he take it well or did he take it seriously? No, no, he took it seriously.
It's kind of like what happened is I've, like you said, I've done it before and it's kind of things that I do, you know, I do always in a pranks and people and jokes and stuff like that. But it's always kind of meant with the sense of humor. Right.
You know, so it's always when you, and I always have this tendency that when things get really intense and when people start, you know, freaking out, I try to make a joke or something to do light and things up and just say, look, you know, 10 years ago, I was 10 years from now, we're going to look at this day and laugh about it. Right now it's very serious and then now we, you know, we have to, you know, really concentrate on this and we have to do something that we don't feel comfortable.
Whatever the situation is, in this case, at the capital, this was the situation. It was a terrible situation that we were in the economic and I thought they were loosening it up before the legislative leaders come down, you know, to my office and we started negotiating and it just didn't go very well. I mean, he felt insulted and he felt hurt and he felt how could I do this and all this up. You know, so I said, look, I'm sorry, I did not mean it that way. I don't think it's as seriously.
It was meant to be a joke. It's just things happen. You know, you've, you're no stranger to adversity. Of course, I mean, you grew up in a very small village in Austria. You had, I think, a splash toilet or what was the, the nickname for it? Basically a chamber pot. A splunch toilet. Yes. Exactly. Basically, it's like an outhouse, but it is in the house and you know, you sit there and you know, and you hear maybe a second later after, you know, you go number two, you hear, then they plutch.
You know, so that's what I call a splutch toilet. And so that was a common thing in old buildings. Our building was like 200 and some years old and there was, you know, there was no flushing toilet and there was also no running water in our house where I grew up. And so we had to get basically the water from around the hundred to 200 yards away from a well that we had to pump and wind and summer didn't make any difference. And we had to carry the buckets of water to our house, to our kitchen.
And then it was used very sparingly. We drank from dead water. We washed ourselves with dead water. There was no shower, so we washed ourselves with washed cloth and with soap. And there was a whole kind of a, you know, but everyone had their position. My mother went first and washed herself. And then it was my father's turn and then it was my brother's turn. By the time I washed myself the laboom of that base where the water was in was pretty black. You know, I said it was not pretty anymore.
I maybe got my dirty, best drink of water. I actually dreamed myself. Good idea to drink first. Make sure you say your first. But the interesting thing about it was it was, you know, other places had exactly the same situation. I remember the only one so we didn't feel like kind of, wow, you know, we were really growing up poor. As a matter of fact, I never felt when I was a kid that we were poor.
I always felt like we were like everyone else because we were surrounded by farmers that had very little money. They had little farms or workers, the working class, the workers made actually less money than my dad and my dad didn't make much money at all because he was a police officer. And there was much more, the benefits, you know, the pension that you get in the health and all the stuff, but not much salary. Just enough that my mother could buy the groceries and to buy some things.
And once a year, they buy clothes at Christmas time for us or to knit some clothes for us and stuff like that. But I mean, there was like the neighbors were living the same way and everyone, I mean, I mean, just cool all the other kids were kind of in the same boat. And which brings up a question for me that I've always wanted to ask you related to confidence.
Because I was looking at, of course, I think your name is almost synonymous with confidence for a lot of people and people look to you to try to borrow confidence. And that's part of the appeal of a lot of your movies and your successes. But I was looking at a very old photograph of, I think, your first major bodybuilding competition in Schutthgaat. I think it was the junior or mr. Europe.
And I looked at this photograph and what stuck out to me was if we had just looked at the faces, not the bodies, it was so clear to me that you were going to win and that you knew or believed you were going to win. Your face was so confident compared to every other competitor. Where did that confidence come from?
My confidence came from my vision because I am always a big believer that if you have a very clear vision of where you want to go, then the rest of it is much easier because you know always why you're training five hours a day, you always know why you're pushing and going through the pain barrier and why do you have to eat more and why do you have to struggle more, why do you have to be more disciplined. And all of those things become much more clear.
It's not like, oh my God, I have to do another in a 200 sit-ups. It's more kind of like I can't wait to do another 200 sit-ups because that would get me one step closer to have the apps that I need to win that Mr. Universe. That's my goal. I see myself clearly on that stage, winning the Mr. Universe.
I see myself very clearly of getting the trophy, standing there with the trophy, raising it above my head and having hundreds of bodybuilders around me kind of below me on stage, looking up and idolizing me, including the thousands of people that are watching the event. So there was always my clear vision and that always inspired me to go all out. So when I went for a competition, you have to understand, I went from the to the junior Mr. Europe during my time in the military.
And so what it took for me to go and to get on that train, the Basonan Tsuke, which was the people's train, meaning kind of like it was not an Chanel Tsuke, that the end of the fast train. It was the slow train that literally stopped and every train station to let workers off and to bring new workers on. And that's what the train was. And so with that, you went all the way to Stuttgart because it was the cheapest way of going because I didn't have much money.
And you didn't get hit by any customs officers. Well, we got hit by the minute, we got through it, you know, and I didn't have my passport because you had to give up the passport when you go into the military, right? So you passed. I didn't have a passport. But we got afterwards when we were finished with the military. But the mean so we got through and we got to Germany, the Stuttgart.
And so there was this will there that no matter what it takes, even if I have to crawl to Germany, that I will be there at that event because that was my shot when I saw the ads about this Mr. Europe junior competition, best kept out at let Oropas in German. And that was my opportunity to really go and to make my first kind of entry into an international competition. And I felt that, you know, I can win it. And that's what I was there for. I wasn't there to compete. I was there to win.
And so that's why you saw that facial expression. There was a certain arrogance there. There was a certain way that I posed with the other competitors. I always felt during the pose off that I had my act together much more than the others did. And then I'm going to, you know, kind of, you know, make them feel inferior and I will win and I will look facially and physically to the judges that I'm the champion.
So you touched on something I really wanted to get into, which is the psychological warfare of bodybuilding of life in general. I really feel, and this is a compliment, I mean it is a compliment, a real master. And if anyone who's watched Pumping Iron or anything, I think comes away with one, that is a takeaway. How did you, how did you develop that? And for instance, when you were, I guess, 17 or 18, how did you get inside the heads of those people at that point?
I think that it came about when I trained in the gym. I always felt that people are kind of really vulnerable in certain areas. So that someone that comes to the gym and works out because he wants to have a better body, that he most likely will be vulnerable and that's during conversations that I discovered in Munich when it was trainer in the gym. They were vulnerable when you say something like, well, you're fat.
Well, it was, it was not like even a doubt in anyone's mind if 10 people would have looked at that guy or 100 people, they all would have said that that guy is fat, but he was outraged. He said, what? Do you really think I'm that fat that you're mentioning it? I said, well, you're in the gym. I go to the doctor's office and say, I have a cough. I don't go and beat around the bush. I say, I have to tell him what the problem is and then he can give me the medication.
I said, this is the same thing in the gym. I said, you come here because you're fucking fat. And so that's now, that's off the problem. And so there's no beating around the bush. They're either. And so, you know, so I could see that they were kind of strivering up and kind of shocked. So I could see the vulnerability and then I tried different lines and people and then I would talk about the hairline or what we're talking about. The hairline turning gray.
And then they would just freak out about little things like that. So it was natural that with all the experience that I got now being a train and working with people and orders that are learned about people's psychology and about their weaknesses and their strength and orders. How do you build people up? Because my whole thing was let's first discover and talk about the weakness. And then let's go and rebuild everything.
And so that was the idea to give this guy six pack to make him feel great, to declare victory by next summer that he can go to the beach and that he can go and feel proud of himself and feel great and orders and then continue training. So that was the idea. So by the time I came to America and I started, you know, competing over here, it was very clear that when I said to someone, let me ask you something. Is it you have any injuries or something like that?
And then they would say, would look at me and say, no, why? No, no, no, no, no, no, knee injury at all. No, my knee is feel great. And I said, I was asking, I said, well, because your thighs look a little slimmer to me. I mean, I thought maybe you can squat though. Maybe there's some problem with laying extension. I was like, this is really. And then I saw them all for two hours in the gym, always going in front of the mirror and checking out the thighs. If the thighs still exist or something.
So, but I mean, this is, you know, people get people, I have a vulnerable about those things. So naturally, even you now have a competition. You use orders. Yeah. You ask people where they sick for a while, you know, whether they look at Lilina or that, you know, you know, did you take any salty food slightly and they say, why? I said, because it looks like you have water retention. I said, don't look as ripped as you were like a week ago. So, it's rose people off in an unbelievable way.
And they walk away kind of like, oh, this didn't bother them at all. But then you can see you watch them as they walk around the pump up room. And then you warm up for the competition and you could see them kind of thinking to themselves kind of then going to the mirror and checking it out secretly and all that stuff. So, you know, it works. So, I just slowly developed it because I always felt that sports are not just a physical thing.
As a matter of fact, I felt that the mentality and the mental strength in sports, in the psychology in sports is much more important than the physical thing because in reality, I mean, I see when I watch a Mr. Olympia competition or Mr. Universe competition or any of those things, you know, they all look pretty much the same the top five guys. But what makes one a merge is the way he acts. If he acts like a winner, if he seems smiling, having a great time on stage and those.
So I felt that one should use the psychology. Well, one should use everything in his fast food supplements is concerned. You know, you use your best, you know, posing trunks, use, you know, try to use the sun out there and work out in the sun so you get tan all around, use the best posing routine. Just really give me a tan of everything. Then you have a shot of winning. And psychology was definitely part of that. And you developed this arsenal of intimidation through the bodybuilding.
Did you use that, for instance, in movies waiting in line to audition against other people who are going into audition or anything like that? Did it apply to show business? I never auditioned. Okay. Never. It's because I would never go out for the regular parts because there was not a regular looking guy.
So my idea always was, okay, everyone is going to look the same and everyone is trying to be the blonde guy in California, going to Hollywood interviews and then looking some of the athletic and cute in order. Okay. How can I carve myself out the niche that is unique that only I have?
And so I always felt like really strong about, you know, I have to get into the movie business like Rich Pock did, like Steve Reeves or Paul Winter, Larry Gordon and orders, and orders guys that were in the muscle movies in the 50s and 60s, that's the way I'm going to get in there. Of course, you know, the naysayers were right there and they said, well, you know, this time has passed. This was 20 years ago. You looked too big, you're too monstrous, too muscular. You will never get in the movies.
So that's what producers said in the beginning in Hollywood and they're also with agents that manages. They said, I doubt that you're going to be successful in that because today's idols, I mean, this is not the 70s, Arnold. Today's idols are, you know, Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino, Woody Allen. I mean, look at this, there's all little guys. You know, those are the sex symbols. Those are the hot stars. Look at you, you wait 250 pounds or something like that. That time is over.
And but I felt still very strongly and had a very clear vision that the time would come by someone would appreciate that and then sure enough, you know, when people saw me on talk shows, they got inspired, directors like Bob Rayferson.
And then, you know, bought the script of Stay Hungry, the book of Stay Hungry and had it written into a script and then did the movie with me because he believed in me that I had the personality and I had a certain strength and a certain kind of a look that would be great on the screen, that the camera loves me and all that. And so it worked.
I did Stay Hungry, I did then pumping on the documentary and, you know, the streets of San Francisco and worked then with Anne Margaret and with Kirk Darker and the villain. And then all of a sudden I got the contract for Conan the Barbarian and bang, there we were, $20 million movie, which today will be a equivalent of a $200 million movie. And Dean of the Lurandes producing Universal Studio and International Studio, you know, financing the movie.
And so it was in John Millius, a first class director directing it. So my whole plan worked and I was so right. Even John Millius, after his done the movie, he said, if we wouldn't have had Schwarzenegger, we would have had to build one because of the body. And when I did Terminator, Jim Cameron said, if we wouldn't have had Schwarzenegger and we couldn't have done the movie because only because he sounded like a machine was it so believable that he actually played a machine.
And that's what people bought him. And when he says, I'll be back, it's totally different. And I say, I'll be back, kind of thing. So, so he was the greatest compliment that the very things that they agents and the managers and the studio executive said would be a total obstacle, become an asset. And my career started taking off. So the not-unditioning is really interesting to me.
And I knew you were very successful in real estate, but correct me if I'm wrong, you had basically made become a millionaire in real estate before your first movie. Is that right? Not before the first movie before my career took off. Got it. So I did not rely on my movie career to make a living because that was my intention because I saw over the years the people that worked out in the gym and they met in the acting classes.
They all were very vulnerable because they didn't have any money and they had to take anything that was offered to them because that was the living. I didn't want to get into that situation. I felt like if I am smart with real estate and take my little money that I make in body building and be seminars and selling my courses through the mail order and orders, I could save up enough money to put down money for an apartment building.
And I realized that in the 70s, the inflation rate was very high and therefore an investment like that is like unbeatable because buildings that I would buy for $500,000, we'd in the year were $800,000 and I only put maybe a hundred down. So you made 300% on your money. So you couldn't beat that. So I quickly developed and traded up my buildings and bought more apartment buildings and office buildings and mainstreamed down in Santa Monica and so on.
And the investments were very good and it was just one of those magic decade. The day you couldn't do it in that same field, there's another field in real estate where you can do that. But in this particular field, I don't think you would see those kind of chumps ever again.
And I benefited from that and I became a millionaire from my real estate investments and there was before my career took off in a show business in acting which was after Conan the Biberian in 1982 that movie came out, we shot it in 1981 and in 1982 it came out.
So from that point on my career took off because people saw that the movie was successful at the box office then I signed a contract to do Conan number two and then dead lead to a contract with a terminated one and then Commander and then the action genre. I was just, there was another fortunate thing. Each of those decades offered something very fortunate that was a little bit beyond my control but I benefited from that.
So there was the action genre that all of a sudden took off in the 80s with still loan and fund them and all those guys coming in really was terrific and our salaries went in the mind, I got like a million dollars for terminated two and then all of a sudden by the end of the decade I made 20 million dollars. That's incredible. And so I wanted to talk about the mail order for a second because that was done with Franco Colombo or?
No, the Franco Colombo who for those that don't know is a European was a European champion in powerlifting and also a boxing champion and then became a bodybuilding champion and then I brought him over here with Joe Weed's help to train with me here in America but at that point there was no money in bodybuilding that's a key thing that everyone has to understand.
Unlike the day where the top bodybuilding champions make millions of dollars in those days there was no money in bodybuilding and so when we didn't have enough money we literally had to go to work.
And so Franco and I since Franco's talent was to be a bricklayer and a very skilled bricklayer and learned that in Italy and in Germany we were able to go and start thinking about the idea of putting an ad in the LA Times creating a company and calling it European bricklayers and masonry experts, marble experts building chimneys and fireplaces the European style. And this was also a time where everything that was European was huge in America.
So we benefited from that Swedish massages and everything had to be kind of a foreign name or a Japanese this and this so Europe and Japan and all the places you know were used the names were used because for some reason the other people just thought that was better.
And so we used that in the ad and we put the ad in the paper and literally a week later we had the big earthquake in Los Angeles and I mean the chimneys fell off the apartment houses and all this and they cracked walls and all this and so Franco and I we as I
remember one of the friend of ours wife who was very smart and she worked in a supermarket she did answering the phones and calling people back and all this just to make sure that our English doesn't get all screwed up with the talking over the phone and all this
and so she gave us the addresses and then we got to do the estimates and I was kind of like set up to be the math genius and that figures out the square footage and that Franco would play the bed guy and I played a good guy and so we would go to someone's house
and then someone would say well look at my patio is all cracked can you guys put a new patio in here and I would say yes and then we run on out with the type measure but there would be a death measure with centimeters no one in those days could it all figure out
anything with centimeters and we would be measuring up and I say what is this you know four meters and 82 centimeters and they had no idea we were talking about and this is so much and then we were we were writing up formulas and the dollars and amounts and square
centimeters and square meters and all this stuff and then I would go to the guy and I said well I said it's five thousand dollars and the guy will be in a state of shock and he says it's five thousand dollars I said this is outrageous I said I mean I didn't think
that he said well what did you expect it in the basis I thought maybe it's like two three thousand dollars is about five thousand I said I said let me talk to my guys it's because he's really the masonry expert I said but I can beat him down for you a little
bit here let me soften the meat and then I will go over to Frank and we was that arguing in German you know there's this and you find a right to constantly so far from the long and this is the employees need me to be in America and this will be going on and
he will be screaming back in me in Italian and some stuff and then I will be there and then always then he come down and then we'll go to the guy I said who okay here is I said I could get him as low as three thousand eight hundred dollars I said can you go with
that and he says thank you very much he says you know I really think that you're a great man blah blah blah and all this stuff I say okay I said give us half down right now we go right away and get the cement and get the brakes and everything that we need for
here and we just start working I said a Monday and the guy was ecstatic he gave us the money we immediately ran to the bank cashed to check to make sure that the money's in the bank account and then we went out and got the cement and the wheelbarrow and the
all the stuff that we needed and went to work and so we worked like that for two years I mean very successful as a mevac then and we had various different jobs where we employed like 16 different bodybuilders all the lazy as bastards that you can never hire but never
the biggest they all were interested in working out to a and getting a tan at the same time for their bodybuilding competitions they were not interested in working but anyway that we all had a good time we all made money and you know this is actually then I did this
until I started my mail order business and then that became the new source of extra income so we could afford everything and then save all this money and so on and so I've watched and say of course but I've I followed followed you since I was a little kid also Frank
of the I remember watching the replay of the world's strongest man competition with your refrigerator right walk when his leg gave out but I was always impressed by how how strong he was for his weight I mean I think he's deadlifted more than 750 pounds at less than 190 or something
like that waited with the 730 he did like five reps that's just a man was like and how what are the reasons the two of you have remained remained friends for so long I think we both come from Europe I think we both was struggling on the beginning I met Franco the day off the Mr. Europe Junior
competition that same day he won the powerlifting championships in the lightweight category and so he was up there on the stage getting his trophy I was up there on the stage getting my trophy and then the category of bodybuilding championship of the world past 18 years of age which would
they call the senior division but it was not really senior what they consider now he is senior being over 45 or whatever it is but I mean then it was just someone that was older than 18 he was up there the winner on stage so there was all three of us on stage and then you know
Franco worked out the municness at them I said I want to come to Munich I want to work out the munic after the military is finished and you know Franco said well and I'm I'm there if you ever come we say let's work out together and I told him that I admire powerlifting that I do powerlifting
and weightlifting and bodybuilding and then we work out with him and get stronger and so when I'm basically moved to Munich Franco was one of the first guys that I went to see and asking if it wants to be my training partner now Franco didn't train as much as I did at that time
so I used several training partners but Franco was one of them and we just developed a really a great friendship because he was a foreigner in Germany he was a what they call a gast arbiter and so I was considered a gast arbiter and I mean I'm a kind of a guest from the outside from Austria
coming to Germany and you know we developed a really close relationship so we trained for two years together and he helped me with the powerlifting I helped him with the bodybuilding and then by 1968 I moved to California and I convinced Joe Wheeler then to give Franco a ill-enticate
bring him over here that he would not regret it that he's really what I am in bodybuilding except in a short man category the champion he's like the ultimate as it is no one better and he's a great strong man I say he's been steel bars and blows up hot water bottles and breaks wood and
steel and everything and he's a crazy guy I said his tremendous power I said that if he has this sunshine here and the training equipment and the food supplements I said that he will blow everyone out of water I mean it would just it would be unbeatable and that's exactly what happened
Franco came here in 1969 and we trained together and he won every championship after that he won Mr. Universe and Mr. World and then eventually even Mr. Olympia after I retired and we always worked that together we always were very good friends and very supportive and everything and
even the day and I'm very proud of him because he spoke no English unlike me who spoke a little English he spoke absolutely none and he went then and passed the entrance examination to the Chia Brakta College and went and with me to take some classes at the community college and got his English better and his he's he's commander with a language then passed the the entrance examination to the Chia Brakta College and then become became a Chia Brakta and passed his board the first time
not like some of the guys that I worked out with in the gym that tried it two or three times and then finally passed it the third time so I was really proud of him with that and then he was just became an expert in actual manipulation and working with the body here the special talent for that
and that's why he has so many patients today I remember watching his just catastrophic leg explosion on on video and then he's called me laying on a stretcher and he says well just by looking at my leg I can tell it's not broken it's a dislocation he went on and people thought he
was was doctors included as I understand it thought he would never walk again and then he came back and after your tired I guess in 80 year 81 he won that's when he won the Olympia that's right yeah I mean it was it was one of the unfortunate things that the universal the back lot that they
did the strong win acted there was a hole in the road at the parking lot and no one saw it's it's you know it was just one of the unfortunate things and you know Frank had to pay for it for the mistake of that the organizers made and you know but he came back I think Frank knew that I had
a few years before a heavy knee injury in 72 when I heard many down in South Africa doing squats and posing and and I came back from that knee injury and my thighs were bigger and better and more cut in 1973 at the Olympia and I want them Mr Olympia so he knew that you can come
back that if you have a great surgeon and if you have great therapy after the surgery that you can come back and be better than ever and so that's exactly what Franco did and you know he he went through his surgery he went through the therapy and came back and then he was squatting
again with his 600 pounds like it great ease so incredible I want to talk about language for a second uh when is the last time you spoke German privately in a conversation I sometimes speak with a friend of mine Ralph Mellah who is German and so we sometimes speak German and sometimes I would
say it's a mishmash between German and English because some words are more accurate in German and some words are more accurate in English or it's easy to use in English it's you find more specific words in English so we sometimes do you know like I said mixture of both and then
Franco also speaks German and so sometimes he will we will be talking in English and then all of a sudden he will get into a German thing and then all of a sudden we talk German and the same is also with Manifio who is now a prominent entertainment attorney here he came a problem over when
he was 18 from Austria and from Portugal he speaks Portuguese and he speaks German and French and also English now really well since he has been he orders years and he also sometimes slips into the German and then we start in German and sometimes in English it's a it's a it's so every so
often I get to speak German also Mellah enjoyed listening to an audio tutorial recall your book and you threw in Gimuthli shkaid yeah and then kept on moving and I was like oh I like that because I lived in Berlin for a short period of time right and I really enjoyed it yeah there's also also in
the escape plan I used the German and you know we did this whole scene in German it going crazy going crazy in German so that was fun to do and all that stuff but you know the Austrians have a different dialect it's kind of the Austrians are like Southerners you know where people say
what do you say you know kind of things so that the people with people they'd have to hide German or deliver one north it speaks more and more perfect like when you go to Berlin it's like totally like the way you ride it in the whole German yeah whole German exactly now I was having
a conversation not too long ago with Ariana Huffington and she was telling me about a conversation she had with Henry Kissinger because she was taking accent reduction classes and Kissinger just said said no no no you want to keep your accent let's write so I wanted to ask you you've taken
accent reduction classes before was there a point at which you know you realized wow this is actually a strength I don't want to get rid of this well the objective objective was not to get rid of the accent when you take accent removal classes in dialect classes in English classes
that whole combination it's all designed that you speak so everyone understands you sometimes people have a tendency foreigners have a tendency of pronouncing a word so wrong or with such wrong emphasis that people don't know what they're talking about and then when you correct them
and they say the right way then you totally understand it and you're perfectly fine so the trick is really to learn how to announce it and how to really speak the language well and how not to rush and throw words together that makes it then almost impossible to understand so Henry Kissinger
is right everyone will always remember Henry Kissinger because of his accent and because of his brilliance and I think everyone will always remember Ariana Haffington for her accent and for being this woman that set out the goal of creating this magazine and and and being highly successful
and being always polulically oriented and policy in a becoming a policy wonk and orders kind of the things but there are many of those but would separate her is the accent yeah in the way she talks you know and she's Greek and so she is of course a different accent than I have which made it
really funny during the debates maybe had the governorate or a debate since Sacramento she was there in the whining with a Greek accent and I was talking with my German accent and I noticed it was hilarious it just showed you know how far in the kind of the world has come or California's
come did always and you have two of the top candidates in the old foreigners you know the foreign accents and all that for running for governor so to the I've been very fascinated to look at your your film career and hear the story of of twins says I was hoping maybe you could
tell us the story of twins how twins came together and how you guys structured that deal because I didn't know anything about that well twins came together because I felt very strongly that I had a side of me that is a very humorous side and that if someone would be patient enough
and willing to work with me as a director that they will be able to bring that humor out of me and that's you know something that is very difficult because you can be humorous in your private life but cannot pull it off in a movie there's many actors that have tried that and were
not successful so I felt you know that I should really talk to Ivan rightman because I really loved ghostbusters and I said to myself God it was so well directed and I noticed and that just happened to run into him when I was in Aspen and we were hanging out there was Robin Williams and some other
people and we were all up there it's no mass and we were skiing and then at night before dinner we all had a great time sitting but a fireplace and choking around and Ivan rightman would say to me honored I said I listened to you and I see a side of you that has never really been on screen
and I said to him I said you know I would love to do a comment and I would love to bring that side out if it is the innocence of me or the naivety of me or the humor of me whatever it is I said I would like to see that on the screen I think it could be good and then he said okay I said I said
I want you to work with me and to direct me in a movie let's figure out what it should be and he said okay I would love to do that I'm gonna go home after Christmas after this vacation and I'm gonna look into and develop a bunch of ideas and then you and I get together and then pick the
the one that we like the best he developed immediately we didn't short period of time a bunch of ideas I think there was five ideas and the one that we both like the most was called the experiment which then became twins experiment we didn't like because of my German Austrian background so we
thought that it would be better to call it twins and we developed that project got it written I came up with the idea then of Danny DeVito that it shouldn't be just someone that is acting totally opposite of the way I am but it should also look physically totally opposite of the way I am
and I even loved that idea and then we went after Danny DeVito and I remember we said then the rest around and we made a deal on a napkin and wrote down you know this is what we do we're gonna make the movie for free we don't want to get it any salaries and we get a big back end and I
eventually take this deal and with the agent to the studio and he took it to Tom Pollock who was then running a universal studio and Tom Pollock said this is great we can make this movie for in the 16 and a half million dollars if those if you guys don't take a salary and you get a big
back end we're gonna give you 37% of whatever it was together by being Danny Ivan and me and and we worked out the percentage of what our salaries are so whatever Danny got at that time for a movie versus what I got for movie and versus what Ivan got for directing so we worked it
out percentage wise and that's how we ended up dividing up the part amongst ourselves and let me tell you I made more money on that movie than any other movie and that the gift keeps on giving it's just wonderful and I remember Tom Pollock after the movie came out he said to me he says
or I can tell you he says this is what you guys did to me and he bent over he turned around bent over when he put his pockets out and he says you fucked me and cleaned me up he said it was very funny he says I will never make the deal again but anyway so the movie was a huge hit it came out
just before Christmas and throughout Christmas and New Year it made every day three to four million dollars and which in the days term it will be of course you know double or triple but it was just huge and it just went up to 129 million dollars domestically and I think worldwide it was like
a 360 million dollars or something like that so it was really very successful and it like I said it ended up costing I think around 18 million dollars the movie amazing so amazing now you know I was when when I hear a story like that I think of the deal the George Lucas did for Star Wars
where the studio is like ah toys whatever sure yeah you can have the toys and they probably felt very much the same way they're like wow we're not gonna make that mistake again that's right now you have a new film you have several but Maggie and I'd love to
for you to tell people about it but I was also curious maybe you could comment on this but in this day and age why why you don't say finance an entire film yourself or crowdsource all the financing yourself so you're the only not necessarily the only producer but you're the sole owner of that film
yeah I for some reason the other always felt that I should keep the two apart and I should not invest and put money into films this is a whole other business to be in to finance movies and I think that you know my strength is to be a performer I think those people out that did a very good
in financing movies and raising money for movies or people that run studios in order and I let them do their job what they're doing I do my job what I'm doing and this is why I just never did that it's something else if someone has a great idea to do a documentary something like you
said this goes two million dollars you know can you help us with this I feel passionate about it like for instance you know a Brooklyn castle you know if someone would have come to me and say hey he is you know documentary we want to do about after school programs in the city kids I said
we're in it there's a two things I'm very passionate about I love playing chess which is what it's all about right the documentary how kids in the cities play chess and how they become smart and how they stay off the streets therefore not getting the trouble with teenage pregnancy and
the juvenile crime and all those things and they have adult supervision and they you know they get confidence and there's a kids there the 70% of them below the poverty line so that's a great story and it is something that both of them chess and in the city kids after school programs they're
so passionate about so I would have put money into that and I wouldn't have been in it that would have just you know done it because I think it's a story that ought to be told and so things like that is something else but in my own movies I don't know I never feel comfortable with that idea
keep them separate yeah you know not only think about it I do a lot of investing in startups and sometimes people ask me why don't you start your own startup and I basically give them a very similar answer I'm already heavily concentrated I'd like to keep the two very separate yeah so I'm
glad you brought up Brooklyn Castle so a friend of mine was was interviewed on this podcast named Josh Wetzgen he was the basis for searching for Bobby Fisher so very well known as a chess player and I've heard you talk about the I think it's a three to six p.m. as the danger zone and I'm on
the advisory board for donors choose dot org and a number of nonprofits related to education why are you so passionate about after school programs because I felt that when I grew up even though we were very poor but I had someone there 24 hours a day for me to improve the learn to do sports
and to get attention and to get the love and to get the discipline it was tough up ringing but it was a combination of you know great discipline and also love and but I felt like that having someone there with you 24 hours a day from the time in the morning you get up to the time you go to school and the weather teachers there and then whether the coaches there and that there was the school principal and all of them and then you go home and there's your mother they're helping
you with your homework and then in the evening your dad comes home and he goes takes you to the soccer field and the sports with you and then the winter ice curling and all those things so I just felt when I watch and go from school to school which I did when I was the German of the president's council and physical fitness and sports I traveled through all 50 states and visited one school after the next and I always had three o'clock I felt like this kids are going out there and then a so half
of them standing around in front of the school and then wandering around the other half were getting picked up and I said I'm going to say what happens with those kids out there and the teachers or the
principal will always say is what you know the problem the day is is that so many parents are working both of the parents are working and they don't have really the ability to pick up their kids from school and what happens is a lot of these kids then get into trouble you know and so then I started
looking into it the idea of after school programs and I and I saw that there are after school programs around but they're not really well organized and so I stepped in I started after school programs here in Los Angeles we very quickly then spread them all over California and then all over the
United States and now we're in like 13 or 14 cities all over the United States including we are in Hawaii and and they have been really beneficial and we even passed an initiative in California in 2002 which was the after school education and safety act that provides an additional
five hundred million dollars for after school programs in California and because of that which started going into effect in 2006 from that point on now every high school and middle school in California has after school programs and then also churches and other organizations that are not
connected to the school can also get money for after school programs so they can have their after school programs so it really has become one of my passions and it's it's just simply like I said I had to bring in I had the attention 24 hours a day and it helped me to be who I am and I
felt bad for the kids when they don't get an equal shot because the only way you can be successful is if you really get this kind of attention and if you don't get kind of in the situation where you float around on the streets then you get involved with gangs and with drugs and with with
violence and and and you know like I said teenage pregnancy and you become a juvenile crimes and you end up in jail it doesn't serve anybody and it costs the community a lot of money and the way I got Republican support for that in California had them endorsement initiative was because I
showed to them that for every dollar we spent we saved three dollars down the line and so from a fiscal point of view they endorsed it even though they don't like the you know the nanny state thing and do have government step in and do the job for parents the democrats endorsed it for
that they thought the government is responsible and we ought to do something because it is the new challenge that 70% of the kids come from homes where both of the parents are working and they do not have time for the kids in the afternoon so who is helping this kid with home work who is helping
this kid with tutoring and with sports programs and adults supervision and giving the kid the love that the kid needs and the confidence building that the kid needs and for that after school program is the number one answer to the problem we have seen it over and over with
great success rate we have had with after school programs and hopefully the movement will grow and eventually every child will have the opportunity to join an after school program if they don't have a parent at home that can help them with all those things and everybody listening I'll obviously
provide links to all the organizations that Arnold's involved with and I encourage you and implore you to consider becoming involved supporting or becoming a mentor a big brother or sister of some type I grew up on Long Island and I had I was a competitive athlete I was a wrestler for
a very long time that kept me out of trouble and I can see how easily both my parents worked many of my friends growing up there ended up overdosing on drugs becoming involved with drugs because they had idle hands during that period of time but the other thing you have to understand is when
you are a foreigner an immigrant and you come over here and you enjoy the unbelievable opportunities that America has to offer it is natural that you feel like you want to give something back and I felt like when that was the German of the president's council and then when it was a
trainer for the special Olympics and then with the after school programs it was my way also of giving back because people listened to me because at that point I was a celebrity already and I had a tremendous power of influence because of my movies in order says I'm as well used
this power of influence for something good and also give something back to the country that's why I was a rain for government and all this stuff so I think it just feels good to do something for people that need help that's you know what life is all about totally agreed and and
for those of you out there who have read my stuff I get asked by readers a lot you know what's the key to happiness and I think if you're not sure how to make yourself happy make someone else happy help someone else and the payback is enormous Arnold when you hear the word successful who's the
first person who comes to mind I think that the people like Warren Buffett Bill Gates Larry Allison Elon Musk I mean people like that right because it's it's the first thing that you do think of and you hear about success that the real world wide known for their success but then there's another
to his other layers you know like for instance you know he cannot avoid someone like Nelson Mandela who showed to the world about forgiveness and showed that the world about tolerance and inclusion and the the job that he did in South Africa was not only a great job for South Africa but
it was a great job for the whole world because inspired everybody to be remotely like that and no one can really be like that because it was really very very special and I was very fortunate to meet him twice and to work with him in special Olympics in South Africa and to be at his
prison cell in Robin Island and have him show me around Norris and had time to talk with him and spend David him twice so he's definitely one of these guys or a meek El Guapajav I mean someone that grows up on the communism and then when he's on the top realizes that the system
doesn't work and then dismantle it I mean think about the the the hoodspot that takes right to do that it's extraordinary that need to have any both obstacles that's right yeah unbelievable leadership you know and vision and all that or if you're in sports I mean if you
think about Muhammad Ali how can you not think about success and not think about him because that guy was so successful but also not only successful in sports but also in generosity I mean that he gave everything away I mean he will go through the airport and if you see someone that
there's no money we'll give him a hundred dollar bill you know so he was an extraordinary athlete so there's a lot of people like that I think that I mean he goes through history also there's someone that I just thought of that I should mention that is Cincinnati's and he was a Roman
emperor and the Roman Empire and he why I admire him and I some effect since he's an added a city is named after him because he was a big idol of George Washington also and the reason why he's a great example of a success is because he was asked reluctantly to to step in into power
become the emperor and to help because the Rome was about to get annihilated by all this was and battles and so to step in there and to help them and he was a farmer powerful guy and he went took on the challenge took over Rome took over the the army and
won the war and then after he won the war he has felt that he has done his mission why was asked to go and be the emperor and he gave the ring back and went back to farming and he didn't only do this once he did it twice they went back laid on to him once again and when they tried to overthrow
the empire within and they asked him back and he came back he cleaned them up the mess with through great great leadership which he had a tremendous leadership quality and bringing people together and then again he gave the ring back and went back to farming and to be as
he'd be all know it's very addictive to be powerful and it's very addictive and I know how difficult it was for me to let go of being governor and then all of a sudden you're not sitting there and making decisions about what's going to happen you know the financial crisis what's going to
happen to the regulations to greenhouse regulations what's going to happen you know to our you know high speed rail what's happening with the universe and you're not there anymore you know making the decisions it's very hard to let it go imagine someone like that to let go to be the emperor
it's a whole different thing and so so to me that's very admirable and I think about success he's always somebody I would wouldn't have category I'll have to do some more research I am do we have time for just a few more questions so feel free to not answer this if you don't want to
but this is almost the opposite last question when you think of the word punchable who's the first what's the first face that comes to mind punchable I never even thought about that most people don't walk around thinking about it now but I don't think there's anyone that I
can think of right now okay I was worried thinking about asking this that you might just reach across and knock my front teeth into the back of my head but the is there a particular do you have a favorite book or a book that you've given to people as a gift the most
well there's one book that I've actually since it was just Christmas that I've given away a lot of copies and this is a book about Winston Churchill by Mayor Boris Johnson I don't know if you're familiar with him is the mayor of London and he's a real interesting character they think
that he could be eventually prime minister of England very talented guy another party servant but the people servant and he came up with the Boris bike that has now bicycle solver London that you can that anyone can just take and ride around with the bikes and then now they have
this in all over Europe in France in Paris in Vienna and everywhere they all took this idea that people would drive less in the city if they have the possibility to just get a bike from a bike stand and so he's a very interesting guy so he I did not even know that he is you know this
extraordinary rider at the same time but I was in London for promotion and I saw in the bookshelf and my suite this book Winston Churchill of course I admire Winston Churchill is one of those guys that I really love and so I took this book down from the bookshelf and then I looked and said oh
Boris Johnson the mayor he wrote that I got to get that so I put it back and then Daniel wrote down oh yeah so anyway so we wrote down the title and we wrote down you know all the information and then we we got it as a Christmas gift for a lot of people but the other book that I have given
I mean hundreds of copies to is free to choose by Milton Friedman and it kind of lays out why the private sector is really the answer to a lot of the problems that we have in not government and I think it's a real great kind of a a a philosophic kind of a book about how to approach our
problems if it is education if it is economic growth and all of those kind of various different issues you know he lays it out it's a very simple book to read about it is very good and it has and it makes an impact on you when you read it and the other one I think is California the Kevin
Star the Kevin Star was our librarian a state librarian and he has written more books on California than anyone so if anyone is at all interested in a book about California you know what makes California unique and special and the history of it the political history of it all the little
details I mean that's a good book to have so it's a great gift especially when I was governor and you give people gifts and you give it of course of California a book about California and so that's you know the kind of reading that I like and that I like to share with other people wonderful
I just one more question then I'd love to hear where we can learn more about all of the projects that you're up to and that is I've I've heard you mentioned transcendental meditation in passing briefly do you meditate I don't meditate now but I got heavily into it in the 70s and I remember
there was a time in my life where I felt like everything is just kind of coming together and I did not find a way or couldn't find a way of keeping the things separate so it was always when I was thinking about I was thinking about it at the same time my bodybuilding career I was thinking about
my movie career I was thinking about the documentary pumping out that we're shooting right now and the movies stay hungry that we just finished shooting and my investment in the apartment building and is this gonna do I get the financing from the bank and the all of this kind of stuff was always
coming together and at the same time I was training for the Miss Olympia competition in South Africa and I was training right here at Goldschirm and I remember there was all the camera equipment around five hours a day in my face and then someone in the middle of squatting was trying to
change the battery pack on my lifting belt and all this so yeah it was like you know eventually I felt like I got to do something about it because I have such great opportunities here and everything is happening and everything is going my way but I'm just clustering everything into one big problem
rather than separating it out and having calm and peace and and being happy and so I but total you know coincidence I ran into this guy that I've run into many times in the beach very very pleasant man who told me that he is a teacher in transcendental meditation and I said well it's
interesting I mentioned it is because I feel like I should do something because I feel like you know I'm just overly worried and anxieties and all this stuff and I feel like certain pressures that I've never felt before and then he says oh says Arnold it's not uncommon it's very common a lot of
people go through this this is why people use meditation transcendental meditation as one way of dealing with the problem and he was very good in selling it because he didn't say it's the only answer he just is one of many and he says why don't you try it he says I'm a teacher there
I've been westwood I would not be able to teach since we have a friend we have friends and many years is there would be another teacher that I would give you a mantra and blah blah and teach you how to do it and then I can help you after that he says because I will be teaching of you so why
don't you come up on Thursday and I will be there I would introduce you to the folks up there and so now I went up there took a class and I went home after that and then tried it I said I'm going to give you the shot and I did 20 minutes in the morning 20 minutes at night and I would say
we didn't 14 days three weeks I got to the point where I really could disconnect my mind and as they say to find this few seconds of this connection and retuberate the the the the mind and and also learn how to focus more and to calm down and I did that for and that's all the effect right
away that I was much more calm about all of the challenges that were facing me and I continued doing that then for a year and by that time it felt like I think that I've mastered this I think that now I don't feel overwhelmed anymore and I really felt kind of it was one of the things where
in the transcendental meditation was kind of anxiety and pressure meeting around the corner tranquility you know this is kind of what it felt and and so I was happy from the point and even the day I still benefit from that because I don't merge and bring things together and see everything
is one big problem I take on one challenge at the time and when I go and I study my script for a movie then that time that day when I study my script for a movie I don't let anything else in the fear in that and I just concentrate on that so and the the other thing that I've learned is
that there's many forms of meditation in a way because like when I study and that work really hard where it takes the ultimate amount of concentration I can only do it for 45 minutes maybe maybe an hour but then I have to kind of run off and maybe play chess and I play chess for 15 minutes
then I can go back and I have all the energy in the world again and jump right back and then continue on with my work as if I've not done it at all the day right it's like I'm fresh and so that's another way I think of meditation and then I also figured out that
I could use my workouts as a form of meditation because I concentrate so much on the muscle and I have my mind inside the bicep winner to my curls I have my mind inside the pectoral muscles when I do my bench press so I'm really inside and it's like again a form of meditation because
you have no chance of thinking or concentrating on anything else at that time but just that training that you do and so there's many ways of meditation and I benefit from all of those and I'm the day much calmer because of that and much more organized and much much more tranquil
because of that. This whole conversation makes people want to go tackle the world I love it and I really appreciate all of your time where can people and of course I'll link to all of these things and the show notes for folks but where can people learn more about what you're up to
what would you like to share with people. Well I think that you know people they know my ambitions in the movie business you know that I love doing movies but I think because of my interest in public policy after my governorship I have then started at USC the USC
Schwarznerga Institute that deals with some of the issues that I felt very passionate about during the time of the governor and the event beforehand which was in a political reform we were very successful in doing redistricting reform in California and open primaries and so on
which now brings politicians much more to the center but this is not the only thing there's many more things that need to be accomplished in California and nationwide so our institute deals with that it deals with the same cell research it deals with the economic growth and the
opportunities it deals with education after school programs and so on and especially also with environmental issues and you know I have an environmental organization on top of that which is the R20 which deals with subnational governments because I feel always very strongly
that while we are striving towards a Kyoto 2 treaty and all the nations in the world come together and I hope that they're going to be successful this year in Paris in December I at the same time want subnational governments like California and other states and other provinces and cities
to set their own goals and not to wait just for this treaty but to have the from the top down approach which the international treaty will be and from the bottom up grassroots level approach from the bottom up because when those two meet then we really create critical mass that's what
it's all about so I want to continue pushing towards every renewable energy future as is my crusade it's as much a crusade as my fitness crusade was for the last 45 years and we've been pretty successful with that so I hope that we're going to be successful with that too but it does need
everyone to buy in and everyone to participate and that's why I go around the world and give speeches on environmental issues and try to bring countries together make sure that this year it will be a huge success but at the same time have subnational governments set their own goals
and do exactly what we did in California in California we didn't wait for Washington we didn't wait for a UN treaty or anything like this we set the goal of reducing our greenhouse gases by 20% by 25% by the year 2020 and 85% by the year 2050 we created the million extra solar
roofs in California we lowered the fuel standards here we set the goal to to up the renewables from 25% to 48% by the year 2020 so these are all things that we did we didn't wait for Washington and so we want other states to do the same thing and luckily California showed great leadership
and now we see other subnational governments doing the same thing and that's regions 20.org this is our 20 yeah regions 20 and people can find you on Twitter at Schwarzenegger that's right wonderful all right is there anything else that you'd like to mention before we close out
yeah or maze we're doing another fundraiser with our maze and the last time we did for the after school programs which we talked about earlier I do fundraising all the time because they always need money and for every dollar we can sit you know send more kids to after school programs so
we always raising money so the last time we had a tank drive and and destroy things amazing amazing idea there's a model tank right there behind you oh yeah there is so the big tank the real tank M47 for my military days it's the real tank so we basically you know whoever won the
bit came out and you could sit with me in a in the tank and then we crushed things together beyond those toilet balls living rooms and everything that he picked which is destroyed and we raised over a million dollars from that which was really great we had a lot of fun at the same time this time
instead of you know destroying things with the tank we blow things up so this would be the new fundraiser which we're going to start I think in very soon as in February as a mafick so there's another thing that I'm doing is always raising money for the after school programs and is the
is the link going to be the same as the last okay amazed dot com slash Arnold I'll put that in the show notes as well sir thank you so much for the time this has been wonderful thank you until next time thank you for listening folks thank you for listening to this episode of the
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