Should CrossFit Drug Test Athletes Serving Suspension for Violating Drug Testing Policy?

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chalice from the you. Know what this is called right? What? It's called no, A pitcher, Yeah. This is where I I drink my Oval team. It's my Oval team device is. Oval team still a thing? Well, I'm keeping them in business. John's going to bring it back if you if it's not so. I literally might drink like a gallon a day. It's, it's. This legitimately Ovaltine. Yeah. I didn't even know you could buy it. So. In like the 60s, John? Do you know? Do you know Mootopia like that milk?

Yeah. It's like kind of like fair life milk. So like the macros are really good on it. And then I just mix it with Ovaltine and it's like 33% across the board, protein, carbs, fat, it's 33% across the board with with the Ovaltine and dude, I drink so much. I'm all raw goat milk. Do you got a guy? A raw? I got a guy. I got a guy. Yes, Yep. So that's that's what I do, starting with the raw cow milk and then we moved on to the goat milk. Is it not gamey, kind of weird

flavored or grassy or? Anything like that, I don't really notice a difference. Maybe if you drink highly pasteurized, bland milk, maybe the biggest difference is obviously it's whole milk, right? So it's way thicker and just, you know, yeah, it's not drinking white water. So. All right. Welcome everybody, to the February 7th edition of The Spin. We're getting close to the open and things are starting to come out. Jesus coming out hot this this

evening. Young Jay. God. Owen Brander heard her back trying to climb John's Mountain. I hadn't heard that was the reason, but it makes sense, I said. It's a hard road to travel. Very few have reached the top, so I apologize, Christine. We look forward to seeing you next year. Yeah. Yeah, for those who are not familiar or haven't seen the news, Christine Cole and Brander is out for the 2024 CrossFit

season. Seems sounds like she's posted some some stories recently, the last hour or so, talking about a little bit more in depth. It sounds like it may have stemmed from her gymnastics days, one of one of the where the SOAS connects to her spine. She said that there's like maybe a stress fracture or something issue there that's kind of been there for years and years. And then she's been dealing with back pain ever since she started CrossFit, which is crazy.

She just thought that lifting heavy was going to hurt. And about a year and a half in she figured that was not the not not the case. And so Yep, she is. She is out. She had her stem cell treatment this morning. Three months from now she'll do some more PRP what she did in the lead up to the games. So hopefully all the best to Christine and hopefully she she recovers from that. I don't know what her plans are

going forward. Sounds like she may want to try to compete again, but we will see. It sucks, dude. Back pain's no joke. And the fact that she's competed this whole time with back pain? Kudos to you. Yeah. No, it's that's that's tough and as strong as she is to be dealing with that, it's impressive. Obviously the impact to the season, it does open up a spot in North America West, but she was 17th in the worldwide rankings. She'd probably still be there.

She'll be in the top. She would be in the top 100 if she was competing. So North America West does lose one of the people for the DA Haunt method. I doubt it impacts it, but as we will talk about later tonight, with Oceana gaining potentially a spot, could North America West be the one that ends up losing out on one of their qualifying spots? So something to keep an eye out for that. And Ellie would have had an even harder time making it ironically, you know what I

mean? Because we've speculated on how easy it would be, easy or hard it would be to defer to make it in certain regions, right? Yeah. I'll talk about that here in a little bit, a little bit more about Ellie's situation. John, you have quite the accounts here. John Young yelling. Do we know who is on the Invictus team? Not officially. I have some ideas. I talked to Joshua Alshama in Miami. He's excited about it. I know. I think he's one of them. But I don't know who else

exactly will be on that team. Here's a interesting thought. Will there ever be a time that Invictus doesn't send a team like they? Their team's always OK all their that's their thing. Yeah, that the, the bigger question is let's see. Yes, Taylor Self is going to be against Colton Mertens for 24.1 live on the Sevon podcast. That is the opener now. The only one that really matters, quite frankly, Is it that first? One or is it third? I think that's.

The first one, they're talking trash already. I think it's the first. One, I think it's just a big build up. I think they're the third week. Yeah, I think we know. Is it open information on the other? Two think so, but I think they're sorry. We can't add a. Different one for week 1. It'll be Taylor, Self or somebody. Though the world. As the official open announcements, I've heard rumors, but I've also now with Dave saying that it sounds like

there's going to be 4 people. It sounds like possibly in week one that would be different than what I had heard. So unless more yeah, between 2:00 and 7:00. So yeah, TBD, I'm pretty sure I know at least the last week, but we'll we'll hold off. Not to say not spreading any false rumors out there. As John would say, you know. You know and. You know what's bad? What's bad is like, if he knows, then I feel like I have to know. I I know it too. I don't know.

So like, he's holding out on me too. I do that sometimes. Just like blind rankings helping Kyra Milligan in the West would jump into the top 100 with Coleen, Brander and a few drug policy athletes out. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely, we do know as colon brander drops out, one O 1 comes in, there's I think at least one, maybe 2 athletes in the top 100 with drug policy violations that was unannounced, no. So you have OHANA. Oh yeah. Is out.

Sorry, I forget during the the Duhont method, it's worldwide calculated. Yeah, yeah. So she she's she would be out and so you know you have and then anybody that doesn't compete in the individual quarter finals is also out whether they go team or just don't compete. So you know that that list of 101 to 110 can be pretty important as backfilling as who those are. I've I've. I know the list I just don't have it memorized. I'm sure helping Oh yeah wrangle is number 100.

So she's also going to be out. All right, see, there it is. It's open knowledge, Hopper, Pepper and Mertens. Thanks, Shelly. Thanks, mom. How does your mom know and you not know? She follows it much more close. We should if John ever can't show up, we're just going to invite Shelly and late breaking news this afternoon. Definitely want to talk a little bit about this 2024 Masters. CrossFit Games is now officially we have a date and a location, so it is in Birmingham, AL.

So those rumors from a year and a half ago are true. The games are going to Birmingham. As for the weekend, it is on Labor Day weekend. Birmingham on Labor Day is going to be. Hot Is there anything else going on in Michigan in Labor Day weekend? The teens. The teens going. On the exact same time, so pick who you want to support. You want to support the the bold or the beautiful bolder to be what's the other one? The younger, the young and the restless.

The young and the restless Probably was a better was a better. It might be a better one for all you soap opera fans. Yeah, so the teens are going to be up in Kalamazoo, MI that week and then the masters athletes are heading down to Burmington, Birmingham, AL. I assume it's in the health Plex. For that many athletes, it probably makes sense. Also, at the end of August, Birmingham is hot, so you'd want to be inside. Thoughts on? I'm talking about the old people, man.

Kids are cold. I think masters are beautiful. There's something more beautiful than an old person killing other people. Like it's just being fitter than you could even realize. It's up for the viewer to decide who is bold and who is beautiful. So initial thoughts with. Go ahead. That one alone. Yeah, we're going to move. On with that one, Tyler thoughts on combining the two competitions into one weekend? It's like it's like in the office when they had two managers, what ship doesn't sail

with two captains? It's like I I'm wondering that the thought that I had was the people who are organizing this is is the legends and then what's the organization for the teens? The Pit team. The Pit team, I'm wondering if they just had dates in which they could reserve and they both happen to pick Labor Day because nobody's going to reserve a space on Labor Day and it just happened. They said you have to fit it in this window and that was the only one.

Yeah, I I have heard the adaptive CrossFit Games price of the venue was definitely a big factor in it. So that's that's pretty much I think, why they're where they are and when they are. And yeah, I I can't imagine there's too many large venues that have something reserved for Labor Day weekend. I I'm not a big fan of it though. Like, yeah, but if they didn't have a choice, like, it's kind of like it's a second situation, but like, this is what it is. Would it have been better to

combine them? Combine them? You have each one run it, but if you went on the mermaid, Birmingham is huge. I don't know how much of it they're going to rent out. But. To have I mean, it's all the teenagers aren't that much more. Also, you're splitting, you're splitting rental fees at that point, so it it'd be more profitable for each each organization. Right. So you have both people come there. I mean, talking with Travis from vindicate, if you're a vendor,

which one do you go to? Do both save more money? Be better, Travis. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you just be better. Send your daughters. Tired. Yeah, that That one person. You got that stuff for you, They go up there and then you'll go down to the Birmingham. Yeah, I mean, the teens, it's significantly less athletes, masters. Have are way more money I think are like willing to buy. Right. Buy things, Yeah, and the teen

them teens are. I think, I think the teenagers are setting themselves up for a tough one. And then? You're murdered in Alabama. Ain't nobody watching you in Alabama that weekend. No, no, not at all. Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that have plans for Labor Day weekend. Then you throw in college football. You throw in. Now there's two live streams of CrossFit overlapping each other. I think you're setting yourself

up for your relevance. Yeah, I. I I mean the football thing alone, the football thing alone. It doesn't matter where you are. Michigan too, man. No, no, it doesn't matter. It's not doesn't matter. That's why they're there, people. It's football. Like you're like you're not going to like like like like, OK, so somebody talked about a live stream. It wouldn't matter if they had a

CrossFit Games type media there. Nobody's going to watch that over football except friends and family, you know what I mean? You have to find a like Crossfit's lucky that they do their stuff when they do it because as far as the games go, because nobody would watch that if it was during football season. Well, you saw it, you saw it in 20 technically 2019 when they moved the 2020 CrossFit open up to, was it September or October? October.

Yeah, the fall comes, you have fall sports, you have school. All that stuff like February seems different, right, than the fall with activities and things going on and we saw a huge drop off. Obviously there's a lot of other factors going on, but doing those things in the fall, overlapping with football and stuff like that does create an issue in my opinion. Indicate who's that is, who's watching anyway? The Journal Public isn't

choosing CrossFit or football. Yeah, but you know, you could be scanning channels and it could be on CBS or ESPN randomly. And then you just linger on it for a moment and be like look at these guys flopping like fish. Like you know it's and then and then they do a lift after and it's kind of cool, like you have no shot at that in football season. Right. And then you have people that are huge. They're big CrossFit fans, but good die hard band fans or any other college football team.

Don't even play. You're going to be watching college football. You're not going to tune in now? Oh, if it was the elite individuals, I would watch the. That's what I'm saying, like we care about the sport and I'm I'm going to be hard pressed. I wouldn't. I wouldn't watch the Masters or the teams, no. And I probably wouldn't watch teams. I would only watch the last heat of the elite individuals or the last two. That's what I would watch if it was during like a Vikings game or or Mizzou.

Yeah. And I mean, it's just, that's just what it is. I'm sorry. Yeah. And it's like we're not, we're not trying to have a harsh take. It just is. It's the lay of the land now. Sorry. Well, yeah. And then you also have helping Pitt Teen owns that property that's they're only going to be, you know, they're they're only going to be in Three Rivers where Pitt has their 65 acre complex on Friday every other

day. So they're having the teenagers who don't qualify for the games and the collegiate group. They're competing Tuesday through Thursday and then beginning Thursday through Sunday is the official teenage CrossFit Games. Thursday, Saturday and Sunday will be in this ice skating rink in Kalamazoo. Friday will be at the Pitt Teen campus or whatever like that. So they are incurring a a some type of fee for for that venue,

you know. But you know we've already brought up Travis trying to send you know somebody to both locations. We also don't know how many people are actually going to attend in person. That makes it tough to to sign up for all of that. You have sponsors, camera people can't explain. Now who does the live stream you're going to find. I don't you know, could you have bundled up all four live streams and gotten some type of discount? Can they could they handle two separate places?

You have to go find a different live stream operator and then you also have coaches training camps that have athletes in both. How do you split them up? Who do you go to? Do you go to the masters side? Do you go to the teen side to help those athletes? So it does create a lot of complications when it comes to figuring out which way you go. Sorry. Yeah, I think the teens get screwed the most out of all of this, though, because. Watch the teens more than the Masters. I don't.

I think people would watch the Masters more than the teens. Nobody cares about the teens, no offense. Teens y'all are great, but nobody cares about them unless you have a Hayley Adams or a Dalai Pepper that's killing everybody. Or like, you know, when Mal O'Brien and Emma Carrie were there? Like like that's the only time anybody watches the teens ever. Even Ty Jenkins didn't pull that much. Because people know Lucy Mcgonagall.

You can say Ty Jenkins, Lucy Mcgonagall, Those are the people who are winning the team division. But they're not. Those two are not. Oh yeah, they're what? I'm saying, is this this year though, I think Lucy Mcgonagall will have some of that pull because I think she will just obliterate everybody on her way to another victory. And so we've seen her at Fitfest

hold her own. I think she'll be one that everybody kind of wants to see, and we can see it if she goes to semifinals, does well, doesn't qualify, ends up going to the team, CrossFit Games. And there is some interest about like, yeah, she's going to go take first place in every event. We'll TuneIn and see that final heat occasionally. She can do the team games and still do semifinals. Yeah. I think if she doesn't qualify for the games through semifinals, she won't pull

anybody. Because Haley, you're down. Her mouth would have my point. Do you see the point I'm making like? I'm saying but if, but I I hear you but I'm saying like if she comes in and she finishes 15th as a 17 year old, I still don't. I think she's still. I think she would draw some more people to to watch because she would be, she's the only one on the teen side where I think would have an immediate impact in potentially in 25 if she continues. Her, I I agree with Spanish.

She pulls top 15 or or you know, really even top 20. I'm going to I'll probably TuneIn to watch her. Right over all of the Masters people over 35 to 39 year old bonus spots saying that he's going to win. You know, like you have maybe Scott Panchak or you have names that you know you're not going to watch her over those guys. Not over them, but I'm saying. It's the same time.

My concern I don't know if the Masters will draw the likes of Scott Panchak or a Sam Dancer or any of those guys that we really want to see because they're not going to be in the same. Well, they're. Not going to be at the games, right? Like a lot of it was. You go compete for a few days, then you can go do your sponsor obligations. You can be at the elite competition versus going to Birmingham, AL as the main show.

Well, that's what I was thinking is a lot of what pays for this is sponsorship obligations and usually they have a presence. I don't know who's sponsor Scott, but like let's say it's podium now podium sort of that they don't have to split that, but they're probably going to split. They're going to say one or the other. And so which one do you want to do, the teens or the masters?

And if they choose the teens, then they're going to say, well, it's OK, Scott, like you don't like we're probably not going to pay you to go where we would have before stuff like that. Yeah, I mean and yeah, like, I think they're still going to be the Die Hards. I know Jason Grubb will still go like you'll still get a lot of the top Masters athletes.

But I don't think you will see somebody who just turns 35, who's multi year CrossFit Games veteran who's like, yeah, I'm going to go really compete and go to Birmingham, AL. What? How many weeks is it after the original CrossFit Games 3? 3. Because I know what I'm what I'm what I'm saying is, do you guys think that's too close to the games? Is if you wanted to do the games and then also do the masters, do you think that's too close or do you think it's fine?

It's pretty close. Like, are you talking as an athlete or somebody who would? Get an athlete because, well, I, I, I keep coming to Bronislaw. But I'm sure other athletes would want to do this because we talked about this before that it made this possible for them to make the games compete at the games but then also try to win the Masters in their age division, right? What really probably just the 3539 be incredible if somebody could do that in 40 to 44.

I'm not sure anybody will want to do both. No, because Ewing. Like I I just don't think it's going to have the same allure as it used to. And those comments may have come before you knew what you were signing up for to go to Birmingham. Yeah. And usually down on Birmingham. I just don't think. I'm down on Kalamazoo. It's more about you're out on your own island. I don't think on a Labor Day weekend split coverage with the

teens. I just don't think like look at the coverage or or the the viewership of any other. Like Master Fitness Collective didn't do a live stream. Legends did not do a live stream. I. Don't think they're doing it for the coverage, man. They're just doing it to compete. I don't know if those those athletes want to do it. I think some team athletes I

agree with helping. Some team team athletes that you know have have that may want to. I just don't think the big names who have graduated to masters will want to go to this separate competition I. Agree. Right. Scott Panchak does not go to Legends Championship. He does not go to Masters Fitness Collective. He went to the games. That's it. He can then hang around the games he could go to. I think he may have been at a

booth there. I'm sure he had a couple sponsor things, hang out with all the group that he's seen and competed against. I got you. But everything you're saying now is always going to be at that, no matter what. Well, I need. They were always going to be their own competition set from it's the Masters games like we knew that already. Yeah, but it was at the games. I was OK, I see what you're saying. So you thought it would be at

Dickies then? No, I I think once you finally realize what it all means, people will change their mind. I I did have at least one well known guy who was considering going masters and when the announcement came that they were going to split off and go somewhere separate, he's like, I'm out. I don't have. Any why? Because what I'm saying like he doesn't. If you're going to Dickies and competing the few days before the lead up, it's a little bit more exciting. You can then spend the next

couple days watching the games. You're there if you want to go to the games and then three weeks later you have to go to compete. That's a lot going on. Like, why? What do I get out of it? The The pride of competing? Well, he's already done well in the past. I need a conspiracy theory. Are you talking about Josh? Fridges. No. Did y'all watch that tonight? I did. He got feisty. Dude, I love that. I love that so much, I. Wish you had I wish. I wish you had won.

So we had another week. I do. I do. I wish feeders so badly, just like made Josh Bridges to the final, just to see that I'll take my defeat for that showdown. You can You can let Josh take your place. Well, he didn't win. I mean, I I'm not going to, you know, you can. You can. Sub you can sub. I got two of the most politically correct guys I have to go against now. You should do well then. It was not Wilmore Ed. It was not Froning. But you're closer. Y'all stop. Guessing so, so.

You know, and then of course they add in masters teams. Did you see that? Yeah, it's hard enough to find. Cool For the guys that are doing it and men and women that are going to compete, Team is always fun to do watching it. No, I I don't even think friends and family are going to watch Masters teams. Yeah, I I I think if you want to talk about like niche of niches is is that, I mean team teams too. But like team like for the teams it'd be like they'll just you know get to be with their

friends, right. But like, masters, man. That's one of the rules that I loved about Old Grid was you had to have a certain amount of masters on your team. This is like the OG Grid it. Was the. It was the beginning of DEI for for the. Are you required? Go ahead, Tyler. No, it's just like, it was amazing because you got to see some real crazy athletes that were just too old to compete in normal sports. But like could could could do

that. Like Travis, Mash was like 1000 LB Squatter and he was competing in it. Yeah, I don't even Did he even hit the floor at all? No. Yeah, he was just on the roster, right? Yeah, he was on the roster. Yeah. So there's that. And then there is a trial 70 plus division, that's not

official. It's somehow you can register like I guess you sign up, you put some hashtag in there and so if you want to do #Yolo and the hashtag 70 or something you can then make it and compete in the 70 plus trial run to see how many people do it and can they program for 70 year olds. John was about, John went to blow his nose. He, I think his face is about to fall off. He's trying to hold back. Helping. I don't think either of these comps are created for

viewership. They are for the athletes who want to compete. Yeah. And you're taking the incentive out of competing? Yeah, I think that's what it's going to turn into, right? Like, yeah, it's the people like Jason Grubb who love competing. It's the pride of continuing to win and show that he is the fittest in his age group and it'll likely turn into a less of

a spectacle. I think this year will be a bigger spectacle and I think it'll slowly get to maybe there's a live stream, I don't know. And look, you're still going to be able to say that you were the fittest in your age group. I think it's great. It's just you have to have viewership if you're going to do a live stream across the country to draw, to draw sponsors, to cover all those costs. I mean, there's plenty of Masters and teen sports, but a lot of times they don't get.

They don't get coverage. Yeah. And we're already in a sport that gets limited coverage as it is. So you know what, you know, my brain starts doing on this though, is what like, say that teens and masters just dies after like 2 years of this. Like people are just like, I just don't want to go do it. It's not the same. Where do they go?

Well, I think that's why there's there's still be that, right, that you could still do the team at the pit team ranch because they have it, but it's working out outside in dirt like it's not. Yeah, it's not the same polished. Yeah, it's not the same. You're you're not in a venue, you don't have a huge stadium type atmosphere. Masters. I think they'll still want to do some type of competition, but will it turn into no live stream? Yeah, I don't. Know you have to ask him when he

comes back. He's saying I'm out. Yeah. All right. We're going to. We'll do some he's. Back. There he is, just in time. For Granny and all. I'm not great viewer. Viewer comments. Viewer comments. All right, so I picked some that have some you have to react to them. Some questions, thoughts at Navy CC. Great show, gentlemen. Got my games ticket. Are you surprised how quickly they sold out? And this is his first games. What should I expect? I have no idea. What? Should expect.

I need to have more context. What? What more context do you need? What like have you been to anything before? Like what it compares to for that? I mean, it's going to be the biggest CrossFit event you've ever been to, unless you've. Been I? Don't know. And honestly, we don't know what to expect either because we haven't been there. It's a new Coliseum. It's a new parking. Like it's parking's high on your

list. Well, yeah, man, there's a freaking, like, RV park at the other games like, like, that's a big part of it. Like Mayhem sets up right next to like, everybody, right? That's a big part of it. There's a bunch of different things. No. You know, if you if you stop it, OK. If you've ever been to a CrossFit bench, it's like those. It's just way, way bigger. OK, We don't know what to expect either. But if you see us there, I'll be there. Say hi. Don't say act like Tyler's not

there. I always tell you what, tell give Tyler your phone to take a picture with me. That'll bring me so much joy. OK, Yeah, that's that's all I got. What? What about you? Go anywhere with John. He's worried about parking first. He parked. Terribly worried about it. My my initial thought is after parking is that's. Not a terrible thing to say. What? What? Hey, I real quick, real quick. I apologize. I apologize. I'm getting over a sickness, so if I sound sniffly, I'm sorry.

I'm trying not to. My my question is how does everything flow together right? So you have 1213 thousand people in a venue, How do the how do the events below from one one another like how tightly you know how compact are they? Is there a lot of downtime? There's a it looks like it's going to be a sweet 10,000 square foot vendor area, technically off site, like a quarter mile walk away.

Near parking, conveniently it's. Probably closer to parking that is free, but again, if you have only a 30 minute break between individual and teams, are you going to leave and not watch the team competition or not the first teeter 2 and then walk to Vendor Village for an hour? Do you stay and only go to Vendor Village before or after you know the competition? A lot of that. I don't know what that's going

to be like. And that's what was convenient about Madison is like the rogue tent is like right away from North Park. And then same thing with the Noble tent. And then you know, the big vendor village was right there too. It was a little bit more cumbersome to get into, but I mean it's right there. And so you could just go in there for five to 10 minutes? Or yeah, you walk between from North Park to the Coliseum. You can stroll through there.

Yeah. As you came in you can walk through it. So that that that's my biggest. I just don't know. I don't know what it's going to be like I do. I do like the idea of a free vendor village for those who do want to go and check that out. If you're local, I don't think you're going to get anybody that flies in just to see a seminar or do something there. But if you're around the Fort Worth area, it'd be fun to go, yeah? At least for a day. Yeah, at Kevin PV 5 BT. Here's a serious question.

Does CrossFit just not want Roman to compete in Asia semifinal? Because it's probably a lock for him. If he competes in the East, North America East, then the Asia spot is open to that region adds a more diverse feel. I hope that's not true. It's not a bad thought though. Like if you really like. I don't think that's the case. But if it is the case, it is sleazy. See it? You know what I mean? Like this. That's kind of like a Hillary conspiracy theory video that I

think you're reaching for. But you know, it's not a terrible thought. I don't think it's the case. We don't know that to be the case. I don't think that's what's pushing it, but there, I mean another way of phrasing that is having Roman in the East sells a few more. Tickets Semi final tickets to the East. Yeah, And so it's not that intent, but it has the same, it has the same consequences.

Yeah. 100%. Hopefully that's not why they made any decision is to sell more tickets or to do something like that. Obviously we we still have a bunch of questions about it. I can kind of move on to Hill, Ellie Turner's situation, I got some more information since we talked last time. So obviously CrossFit put on a release. I think some people shared that. I think Morning Chalk Up did, Clydesdale did and I I also asked like what is their, what is their definition of sustained

residency. And so the way that they told me they're looking at it is if on February 1st, 2021 you have to be here or wherever, whatever country you're trying to compete out of. So you have to have a lease utility agreement, something that shows that you reside here and then Canada and then, well, Canada will be fine, right, Because she'd still. Stay in Canada, right? See, that's it's. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense because W Canada is the same as North or United States.

It's your country, right? It's. It's. So Ellie did not. Ellie was technically not here February 1st, 2021. However, she has been here longer than others like Catherine, and obviously Roman did not, was not here February 1st, 2021 either. But what they're saying is that's their demarcation. So you you have to show that you live here. What you do for travel after

that is on your own. So, like, it doesn't matter that if you actually are here in the States for three years, long as you're paying on your name on it. Yeah, right. As long as you're paying on a lease, or you're on a mortgage, or you're doing something like that, you can claim residency. But then you can go fly around the whole world. Which is why Catherine is fine. Which is why Catherine is fine, right?

She's lived here forever. She's, you know, living up in Idaho or wherever she is. She's still paying rent. Even though she's in Iceland for six months. It doesn't matter because she still has a name on the lease in June. She's still. Yeah. Now Roman, I still don't get that one. I don't have an answer for you on that. But that is kind of where, at least how CrossFit is defining it to me.

So that was my my thought is my initial thought was sustained residency menu to be in the States for a certain amount of time of that 36 months and it's not, it's like February 1st, 2021. That's where you have to be. Lease date? Yep. If it's ever recently, technically they could say no to you. Ellie needed a guy. She needed somebody who would backdate a lease. He has a guy. No, but it did like a lease. Like I got, you know, like a shady guy who would backdate a

lease for you. You're saying Justin Medeiros is not a man? Is that what you're saying? That's not. What I'm saying, well, he. Did you call Justin Medeiros? She made a male live Live Today on Margo Spin. Justin's not shady enough to go create a separate lease for him to say that you need a halfway you lived here on January 31st, 2021. You need to solve good to to like. Whether you actually here doesn't matter. You were part of this lease. I was leasing this, this room

back in my my place. And yeah, you know. Or have Justin write a fake lease to her for that amount right for this room. We just solved what he should have done. So she's been sleeping with me for years, man. Here's the proof. And and the catch is, they don't even have to share that information. Yeah, on the same topic at Trish Higginson 9888, when does the full list of exemptions come out? When CrossFit is done reviewing all of the exemptions. So that deadline was February

1st. We'll find out whenever they make their final ruling. You would think it's fast, but if there's one that's complicated, it will drag out, which I just I think Ellie's dragged out for a while too. So. So semifinals? I hope not. Hopefully it'll be before the Open. Going back to last week at Robert Cooper 7827. Tyler is crazy to think that three rounds of 21 kettlebell swings is harder than fifty straight barbell thrusters after selling your sill on the rubber.

Because I suck at the rower, so I don't. See my response. My response is go sell your soul out on the 400 meter run. Yeah, it's a fair response. It's a fair response. You go run a 65 second 400 and tell me how easy those 21 kettlebell swings are. Oh, you're still recovering on the swing one. Kettlebell swings though. Wait, I mean, I guess you're recovering on the 50 barbell thrusters? What's your fastest, 400, John? 59 seconds.

All right, go run 62 seconds and go do that and then go to run another 62 second. For I can't, no, we're already. I can't run two of them in a row. I got 59 one time, one time and then we're we're done for a minute. We're done. Well, he seated you. That's why he said 62. He seated you those 3 seconds. 3 seconds. It's a 5% drop off. Yeah, 5% capacity. Super repeatable? Yeah, for sure. And I am out of my mind. It's just has nothing to do with

that. The The reason I disagree with Mr. Robert Cooper is on Jackie the row. You don't have to sell your soul on the row like. Very. We disagree. Your soul. Really. I to have the best time, the row is important. To have a good time it's not important, but. The run is is the key. Is everything. No, no, I'm I'm, I'm with you. The run is everything. I'm not saying the row is as important as the run and for for Helen that's not what I'm saying.

But to have the best time in Jackie you are going you have to hurt really bad on the row and I don't I think you guys just haven't hurt that bad on a rower before. But if you if you row that thousand in like 315 and then do 50 barbell thrusters, I think it's, I think it's a lot harder than you think. But but it's the same hard. I will agree with spin, it's the same hard as running a 62 second four. 100 OK What I'm saying is you can run, you can row 330.

And I and you probably not beat me. 15 seconds on the. Thrust Not if, not if. Not if you're fit enough. If you're fit enough, you can suffer through those 50 barbell thrusters and and know you have those 15 seconds ahead. That's why Khalipa beats rich throning and Jackie is Khalifa fitted and rich throning back to. That's my point. That's what I'm saying. But he. Doesn't he's already built for? Khalifa's not rowing in a 245 or whatever he could probably row.

No, but they're all hurting. They're all hurting in that 20. I believe it's hurting less. Than 2013 regional? No, it's just a head. I think they're hurting the same. I think it's just a head. No, I think they're both pushing, whatever, 90%. Of then I think Rich will catch up on the thrusters 100% he. Did He's five O 9 to five O 4? He did.

He could hold him off. Well, he even broke his pull up and and he still he did like 27 pull ups and then he did 3 pull ups to the ending and he beat everybody because of the rope. I'm saying to be elite in Jackie, it is more painful than to be elite in Helen, That's what I'm saying. Go go back and watch Jackie in the in regionals back in the day, the people who did other than Khalipa. You. Got off the rower first. Match and same thing. Not if you fit enough.

Yeah, it's the people that could do the thrusters and the pull ups unbroken and not everybody could well. I mean that's the, that's the ticket to the Rod just to be able to do that stuff unbroken and then it's how hard can you push the rower like it's not even a question you can't do that. At the same time. But the. Yeah, the ones who did it come in first for sure. This to me the question is, which one makes you fitter overall? That's the question. Which the with actual that was

the question. That was the question that we have right? That or the for the blind rankings? It's it. It comes out watchable. The crowd. I mean, I think you could do both. The crowd. The crowd agreed with you guys that Helen and I'm. I'm not going to fight that. Like, I think Helen is a wonderful, a wonderful workout. I just think Jackie's a better one. But Helen is still an amazing workout.

There's just not. I just think you don't get the full fitness with Helen. It's just it's more cardio than altogether fitness. In my opinion. 21 kettlebell swings is not making you stronger. That's the implement. That's the strength implement for Helen, and it's just not as much. But we can move on. I will. I will take defeat in this, in this. That's all I that's all I need. I'm not going to agree with you. I will. I will take defeat in the argument. If that, if that.

As long as you accept losing, that's all I need to hear. At Francis Bailey 8881 Great interview last week with the future CrossFit Games champion Leahy. Bill Leahy, Mr. Leahy. So John must be built just like Danny. I think she's referring to your running abilities there. Yeah, yeah. We're pretty similar. I agree. That's fair. That's it for viewer comments.

If you're watching this now or in recording, first, hit like and subscribe and then leave a comment that you may be picked to to get Read next week, right Drug testing. Henrik Inge Oskarson is back. Can. You refresh the the public's mind and who that is, please. Yeah, so Henrik, he is an interesting guy. In 2016 he competed in Iceland at the was it the Iceland or Nike Icelandic throw down? He won.

He won the competition and then was subjected to a drug test by the Icelandic Association CrossFit or something like that, and he declined. So. Iceland he declined the drug test. He. Declined the drug test. Actually, he and the 2nd place guy both declined a drug test. I'd Rick, you should pee in this cup. No. Thank you. What's what makes it crazy is BKG was actually supposed to compete there. He declined and ended up not

going. And there was a lot of rumors at the time, like, oh, is BKG trying to skip something? I don't think so, but that was one of the the big rumors at the time. So the Icelandic CrossFit Association bans him for two years. I don't think at the time it was actually banned from CrossFit competitions. He just he was not allowed to do anything in Iceland. He could not compete, he could not walk step into an A CrossFit gym in Iceland during those two. What? Yeah, that was who's.

Enforcing that. Yeah, it was some random Icelandic CrossFit association. They got some odd laws, it's like. You can't. Have a popsicle in your back pocket. That's true. It's a ice cream cone. Because horses will try to. People stole horses that way. So it's like it's still a law. You can't do it. I'm a law enforcement 100. Percent. So, So then in 2018, he comes back, he's getting ready for the

2019 season. He finished, was it 30 something in the Open that year, just outside the qualifying top 20. I think we're the ones that automatically got the qualification. And so he finished 34th in 2019's CrossFit Open. He then went to the Reykjavik CrossFit Championship and finished second behind BKG. BKG already had the automatic invite because he was the national champion of Iceland and he also was in the top 20 of the Open Worldwide, so it then went to Mr. Oskarson.

So they asked to do a drug. Test and said no. He was asked to do a drug test again. Again, well, he ended up doing he he didn't provide a sample. And it. 5 for. Ostering and Rad 40. And so he appealed it and got a four year suspension from May of 2020 or 2019 to 2023. So because it went through May of 23, he was not allowed to compete. Fun fact, that was also the same competition where Ellie Cabord, one of the Mayhem members. Oh, the horse meat situation.

Yeah, she. Landed on tainted meat. Was unable to get that through. So she also. That's what it was. Probably the same. So yeah, so he is now officially back as of May 4th this year. I've heard if if you go back to his Instagram, it'll say that he hasn't posted anything since 2021. I've heard that he actually deleted some things between then, but either way it sounds like regardless, like the whole time he's been saying I'm going to come back, I'm going to you

know, just watch. I'm ready for this dude. He is massive. I have AI. Have a question? I have a question before we go further. You said May 4th, does that mean he's allowed to participate in the open? It's because that's before May. 4th No, May May 4th, 2023. Oh, OK. Sorry. Sorry, yeah. Yeah, that's why he couldn't compete last year, because the Open had already He couldn't compete in the Open at that point. So anyway, he posted earlier this week this video of a 201

kilogram clean. That's 442. Yeah. For people who don't know kilos, and that's more than anybody else. Yes, he is massive and. Is this it? That's it. That's not. That's not it. That's four O 5. Here you go. Here's Here's the two O 1, but he still makes it look pretty. Easy Jesus. He could get. He could get 460, I bet. He can also get banned for four more years. Hey, whatever. And so he posted some stories. There's 180 kilogram, 396 LB Push press.

Wow, that's more insane than the clean that right there. You should have. Started 190. # Hang clean that he posted 3 hours ago. God. Yo, it'd be so he's he's Icelandic, right? Man, I wish he was in North America. Jeez. Yeah. OK. The leg. That leg vein. Gets EJEJ Heinz. Y'all know EJ Hein, he's one of Taylor's, he's one of Taylor's athletes. He has a 440 LB clean and he's like semi finals, fringe semi finals, semi finals fit. Oh, wasn't he like a weight lifter, though?

Yeah, yeah, he was for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's legit. He's not all rated up like this guy. But if they were in the same region, it'd be fun to see them go off. Yeah, well, anyway. He posted, he posted that first, that 442 LB Clean and so I reached out to him was like, are you are you planning on competing? He said yes. So hell yeah.

Hell yeah. He is coming back and then any question, Andrew Hiller, if CrossFit can kick me out with that testing, they can kick him out for that. Clean that Bush press, bro. That Bush press was. Killer Do you have veins on your legs like that? Yeah, he's got, he's got pretty ripped out legs. He's, he's been the most proud of the squats, man. He's well, he loves the squats. Yeah, Alana Fisk, I don't think

she's Cologne anymore. I could be wrong, but her sanction is actually up one week before the Open. So because they moved it back this year, she actually compete this year. Don't know if she is doing it. You have Laughterous Theo Phanidus, the great guy from 2019. Chandler Smith's favorite athlete. Have you ever heard that story? No, what is it? So 2019 is when he competed,

right? Yeah. And so the 400 meter runs and you can kind of you can kind of see it if you piece together like when they went on the 400 meter runs, they all took off like a bat out of hell in the first cut event. And he like elbowed Chandler really, really hard. And then Chandler like try to kind of elbow him back and then like he was like like seriously like to get to get past him and and Chandler like after the

fact. I don't know where the interview is but it's somewhere he's like that freaking little Greek guy whatever his name is left lefty Theo thought he's the, you know something trying to elbow me on the runs. How'd that work out for him? What place did he come in? Oh, 88. That's what I thought. And like he he's just he was just so mad about this run. It's the very first run to that happens and you know Chandler has a great event. It's like one of his best

events, right. Chandler is also that worked out and so it's so funny to watch. I think Chandler got second pictures of Matt, him finished checking and left Harris still you know get whatever position he got. But he was some crazy freak that ever you just step on loved left Heiress, the Endophanitis loved him and then he comes out, he's all roided up and that's it. If I love him. Yeah. Yeah, just a. Funny story, yeah. Yeah, so then also Larissa Kuna.

She comes back after a 2 year sanction for what she proved to be tainted supplements. And also Anna Frag Cow. She was also a Top 10 athlete in 2019. She's also able to come. Back. I'm surprised that wasn't bigger news. Yeah. What Anna? Yeah, 'cause Ricky bit so big. And like Anna Frack, I was like, oh wow, that sucks. And then it was like, oh, who is she? She's the only other top ten athlete to pop. Yes, I think she's the only other one. And there was It wasn't that

big. I think it's all because it was such a weird year and it was like, oh, of course she did. Like we don't know who she was, Sure. And like, name recognition wasn't big. I get it. But I'm just saying like we she didn't get very much negative publicity at all and Ricky got the world right. Janelle Stites, So she actually was able, I think she's appeared on the team last year. Yeah, she came back last year. She was, it was like January 23rd of last year, so I think she was on a heated.

Against her in what's that Missouri competition? The. Monster games. The No, not that it's the other. One in Joplin. No, this one's in Springfield. But I competed against her and people were talking about her being there. It was. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I can't remember. Yeah, sorry. Oh, I think I I think it's good. I think I remember, but I can't remember what the name is. I've heard of it.

Part of America. Anna Frag Cow looks like a different person and you are 100% accurate in that. In what way? Finn yeah. Oh, just like a normal person. Yep. Well, she's not all juiced up. That's what happens. Keller lost like 20 lbs. In like 2 weeks. Yeah, I'm trying to see. Yeah. I mean, she does not look. Like she ain't in bite in shape, right? No, her legs look skinny. She looks like like, like, model skinny. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah, and here's here she is from the games, right after the games. I think I was 21, so not even then. Wow. So if you're this dude, what's the guy from Iceland? What's his name? Heinrich. Heinrich. Yeah. There there. You go Oscar. Oscarsson, Oscar. Oscarsson, Yeah. Heinrich. Oscarsson. Heinrich Oscarsson. Are you just like there's two

calls you can make? Either yeah, it was Heart of America. Either you're like crosses going to continue to test me. I need to lay off, do the Ricky thing and like, hey, I screwed up or you juice to the gills. Well, he he juice to the gills. Well, I mean, if I'm an athlete and I got a. Question Brian, do you know this because you you know more about him than everybody else. Did he have that type of strength back in 20/19/2018 when

he was competing with BKG? Because I think we would have known about him, you know what I'm saying? I think we would have known about him if he had a 440 freaking pound clean. 60 LB clean. OK, there we go. No, he was. He was definitely strong back in the day, but he was not. I'll tell you what, give me a couple more years, give me a couple more years and if I don't make semi finals I will get on the Hitler train and and just see and just see how strong I

can get right? And I'm just going to post some ridiculous thing and be like I'm going to compete now and just see and see if they test me. That was. This is in 2018. Yeah. So he's much thinner. I mean, he looks like a game Jack. Yeah, like ripness wise. He looks like Ripper Ripper than most. He's he's got the Froning tattoo on the side. The most ripped out Yonukowski there is. That's what he looks ripped her. So yeah, yeah, no, he was definitely. There's a 200, two 100 kilograms

split jerk. He's been drinking that Ovaltine. What's your what's your question Brian Should the CrossFit test people that in the in their band. Yeah, there's a 200 four, 140 LB Split jerk split jerk back in 2018. I'm going to say that 2019 I I'm pretty positive they tested Ricky every year. But even. A year they did not. They only tested Ricky one time in March of 21. Which would have been the year

before. The right right before his suspension ended 'cause his suspension ended in August of 20. One Are you sure 'cause I feel like there was Instagram. I went back every single. Time they tested him. I found his interview with Chase back on the CrossFit Games YouTube page, 'cause I was curious. I was like. I just remember Gabe having stories with Ricky's name in. It no, I went. I went.

Stories. Because CrossFit publishes their out of out of competition drug tests which this past year they tested 26 athletes and I talked to Pat Vellner, he was tested multiple times out of competition. So it's it's hard to know how many tests exactly they did but 26 athletes all from the games received the drug test this year. Ricky's name was not on 2021's out of competition drug test list.

But you go back to this interview with Chase and it does say Chase asks him like were you tested in the during your suspension. He goes just the one just recently. That's it. He had to do whereabouts. So he was on the on in the pool. He could have been tested at any time, but he was not other than when he right before he came back and his suspension ended so. More than enough to do multiple cycles and cycle off. I don't think Ricky, I think Ricky's. Not Ricky.

I'm not saying Ricky, but I'm talking about this Oscar. Whatever. No, no. This Oscar guy is, is Ronnie Coleman juiced up? But I'm but I hope. He gets away with it personally. I don't know if this also, I think if he's that strong now though he's probably not as fit. He might have a harder time than he thinks like being that big. And I mean like like gymnastics is a harder. Like endurance is way harder. Like trend does not help your endurance.

You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying that's what he's on, but he's clearly on something and I think he might have a harder time making it than he thinks just because his is aerobic capacity. It's not, it's not as much as it would, maybe not. But if you look like that and you're as fit as you were before, if you're the same fit, you should win first place in Europe.

You know, because you'll be second or third in the workouts that Lazar BKG beat you and then you'll win the strength of it. And they're going to, they're going to be, they're going to come 9th, right? Lazar and BKG are going to come 8th and 9th and then you're going to come first and you should be third place right behind. You know 4th place. You know there ain't no swim. You know you should be able to beat Yonah, right? So. If he swims, he'd sink.

There's no way he floats. Yeah, and trust me, I know what that feels like. That's not great. Yeah. So I mean, the question is how often should CrossFit test athletes who fail a drug test, Like very few actually come back and are competitive. Like Ricky's really the only one. Yeah, that I can think of and and you show that they you do you do 26 in a year 26 athletes are tested in a year all games athletes they don't have the capacity to go.

They're not doing hundreds of these like you saw they was doing. Can they? Should they be testing all these people for four years when there's a likelihood that they're going to turn into Anna Frag Cab who doesn't come back? No, I don't. I don't think so. I think they should only test people that matter and and none of these people matter. I don't know why they don't matter because they got to try to take all the drugs in the world to breakthrough and if that, yeah. But what happens?

Then you don't. Happens if this dude. What if this dude comes back? Keeps the. Same test he had. He hasn't been tested this whole time. He's now off whatever and he goes and makes it to the games. I'm not saying that he's on it right now, but it's it's very suspicious. But one 100%, Barkley 100%. What was Barkley saying? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. I'm not. I'm not the best swimmer, but it's not something I have to

worry about at this moment. Yeah, but how do you, how do you manage that if somebody is like just going to keep going and? You can't. Three or four years and then cycle off. I don't think you can, but it has. I don't think it's been a problem though. Now, like if he goes and freaking wins Europe or third in Europe or whatever, then yeah, it's a problem. But I don't think that has happened yet. But he is just a a smaller statement of for athletes who are on the up and coming but

people don't know about. So say you're 20 and and like you're. Always going to have it. Like I don't want to use certain names. I don't know you're you're you're an athlete that all of a sudden in two years you've gone from you started CrossFit and now you're a semi finals athlete or you're 41st and you don't make it. They're not testing you. But you're not going to test you because you finished 41st. You have an entire year. There's something.

Like there's none of that. Like you just shot up from 30 thousandth in the Open to 41st in quarterfinals. Yeah, right, you don't. See those tests? Unless somebody rats on them. They can't manage it, so they're they really are doing the best they can. They want you to fear doing it so you don't do it, but there's really no incentive not to do it, besides pride. Like they can't manage it. Or it's illegal? It's not illegal. No to the rule book. It's illegal. Yeah, that's what I'm saying,

but like, it's. Not pride. It's not of that. It's it's integrity. Yeah, but that's what. I'm saying integrity and pride of two different things. OK, fine. We agree about that. What I'm saying is, is if you want to bend the rules, there's no incentive not to, no. No, no. If you want to. If you want to, you absolutely can without consequences until you get good. And so the only tactic they have is fear that they that you might get tested. It's the best they can do. And you go.

You start. Mason Phil Tunes Testosterone levels were all out of whack. That was the part of the reason he got kicked. I know it was Austrian and stuff that he said he took for his hair, but his testosterone levels were like three times normal. Lynn and Jerry, maybe you just got stronger. Playing devil's advocate. Give me four years of weightlifting and I'll probably double my clean. When he was stronger than you before those four years.

I hate to break it to you. Yeah, it's different when you're already at like 90th percentile of men who are lifting. He's. Probably 95th percentile or 96th at that point if you if you did a split jerk at 200 kilograms in 29. For instance, you give me four years, I'm not going to clean £500. It's, it's. Or run a 5 minute. Move my my yeah, or or. There you go. Yeah. It's just like it's not going to

happen like once you once. It's much harder to improve once you're at the top of that echelon. He'll get steeper. Anything else before we move on to? No, we probably should get a move on because we're we're. We're we're running blind rankings. It's back. Let's do it. Favorite drugs? Let's go. Dude, I'm not opposed to that. Like best drugs, to improving CrossFit. Like, I I I know. Like, listen, listen, I know spin wants to keep it political, but I listen.

I'm so down to do like fun, fun stuff you have to do, you have. To do some research because if I did this I'd I'd have to re consult with Hiller. Yeah, we'll we'll have those. Don't do that. No, no, no, you do that. You do that. No. I think it'd be better if me and Tyler just go off the cuff. I really do. Our half assed knowledge about drugs. 100% man or or you know and not even like drugs. I know we're. Talking about double-blind

ranking. But like, you know, football players like, like it could be anything. Like, you know, just just random for Super Bowl. But like just random stuff. I think we should have a CrossFit blind ranking and a random fine ranking and we'll have two rankings. Best milks. I'm down for that. You know what I mean? We should have a CrossFit ranking and and then a random rankings. OK, goat. Milk at the. Top Because I feel like I see.

So let's say we did milks and you know, spend his goat milk. So that's what he puts up there, right. And we don't, you know, we don't know what that is, right. So and we see goat milk. Tyler, both of us are going 5. No, I'm going one. I know the power of real milk. Yeah. I was raising on a farm, bro. Well then we'll compromise at 3:00 because Oval team is the way. All right, this week's blind ranking is the best possible 2024 open matchups, So these are

all hypothetical. It is who you want to see in a oh, this could be so hard. I put this together. Disclaimer, I put this together I think last Thursday I came up with the idea and I was hoping that nothing was going to come out before then. Good job. And now I've forgotten what I have. So this is going to be just as much of a surprise to me as it is to you. But so yeah. All right. Here we go. First one, Roman versus Adler I. Kind of want to say one I. Caught the game Down, down, down.

I think this is like one of the best months. Yeah. I, I I'm down for one. There's not, and we're. Getting strict. Well honestly, like just the build up, even if the workout, because I think certain workouts can come out where like Adler will just crush Roman, especially in the open, right. But they're not going to do that right. But but the build up to that would be phenomenal. So I I'm with you. I'm with you all all. Right. Number one, that was that was easy. Here we go.

Maderos versus Jukich. Lazar. 43 Let's think. Let's think about potentials. Laura versus Tia is going to be up there. I'm not not. I'm saying if that matchup was up there, that'd be a high one. Razzer's got that mouth on him, though. Man, he'd he'd be popping off. Dude. We'll do four, We'll do 4, but. 4I honestly think it would be a fantastic battle though fitness wise in the open, they're both open athletes you watch like. Yeah, you watch the the behind

the scenes. They are not friends, no. You guys are not friends. I don't know if Justin is friends with a lot of people, but like the I just I do think the fitness battle would be great. Yeah, the fitness. I I do agree on that because. Open workouts suit both of the dude. I don't know Lazar and open workouts, they're like, you know if it's bring muscle UPS in there. I know Justin's great, but Lazar has like, like open workouts suit both of those guys really, really well.

Isn't Justin just a tad smaller than Lazar though? Maybe. Maybe the shorter? That's what I'm saying, shorter, which tends to lean a little bit better. For for that's, it's comparable, it's me versus you. Yeah. All right. Next one Hopper versus pepper. Oh man, that's two. That's two for me, Those two idiots. I would love to see that. Here's here's my only reason why I I. How is Tia versus Laura better than this? They're fitter for a while and two and two and two.

It's going to be like these are the fittest. Can Laura be Tia? Like they're so good and she can't Don't worry. But but that's what I'm saying. Right here's OK my only my only reason I'm with you and all the reasons that you want to put them on too. But hear me out. Hopper's not going to be great at the Open. Like like like he's the bigger guy. He's got like like Fukowski. He's not going to be good at the Open. Now. I think Hopper's going to be

really, really good, obviously. But I just think down will be better. Like I just the workout how. Big because Pepper Dallin is as big as Jason almost and he's like 6 foot. He's he's not quite as tall but like he's thick and but he does move faster than Jason. Overall, I just think Dallin beats Hopper like and it's. Not open. Particularly close, you know what I mean? It depends on the programming, but I wouldn't disagree. Jesus, first Mormon. Jesus first Hopper versus pepper.

Southern Jesus versus Mormon. Yo, there's not going to be a freaking man you. Might have to throw that in there, that'll that'll pep Jason up. He got to get his Jesus to win. Where? Where are you guys going? Where are you guys going? I'm going to say 3. I'll go with three. I don't. I, I you. You kind of won me over on that last one. Uh, oh, you you won. You won me over on that point, John. There we go. All right. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, that's.

Two versus Warbath. But like. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I I agree. Tia Toomey is just going to dominate Law. It doesn't really matter what the programming is, it's not going to be machines. The only thing Laura could beat her at is rowing. Like if there's a Max lift, I think Laura wins in the Max lift. But unless you get like a 15.115 point 1A, like the Fraser Froning battle, like I think Laura wins one and Tia wins one, that'd be cool. Do you?

Think they could do If they did another one like the rogue finale could? Could Laura hold her off again? Yeah, I think, I think Laura could still would still win something like that. That's not going to be an open work. Why? Too heavy? Yeah, it starts with that weight. It doesn't go up higher. And so if you think you take the weight down, Laura can get. It's more endurance. No, no, no. I just think there's an endurance factor.

Once you take the weight down, the reps go up and then it automatically changes into more of a cardio workout where as long as Tia can do the heavy weights, which she can't, it's it's a different, it's a different workout. It just is. I'm so excited to see who the last one is. All right, we both agree on this. Two. I mean, I feel like we won this blind rankings. I don't think 5 can. I don't think 5 can ruin this.

I don't know of a match up that could exist and the last one to screw it so. It's going to be ready to hold up. Can we guess it? Can I guess the match up? Yeah, see it. I think it's going to be Emma Lawson versus Emma Carey. It should be Emma Carey versus Danielle Brandon, but Emma Lawson versus Emma Carey and then I think 5 would be the right call on that. That's my guess. What about you? It's rich. It's Rich versus Matt. Stop.

It's. Definitely not rich in that, John. Brandon oh, Danielle. Brandon versus Emma Carey. Good. I'm glad you picked the right match up. We picked right. This is good. No, I'm with. You. Yep. And there's no, there's no like animosity between those two. They're just kind of polar opposites, attitude wise, like, personality wise, personality attitude, mental, like. They're just kind of polar opposites. So like. Opposites. They came from the same training

camp. They're not going to kind of beat. I think Emma Carey wins like. Almost every single one. It's kind of like hopper versus pepper for me. It's not that down so much fitter than Jason Hopper. I do think he's fitter, but I don't think he's so much fitter. It's just the open workouts I think will suit Emma Carrier better than Danielle Brand. Yeah. Especially now with the open probably going to be the way it is the way it is. Yep. There you. Go I feel good about this. Yep.

Good job. I think I agree. I'm so glad we didn't carry it up above Justin and Lazar, but. Now, I would love it to be like a rowing workout Dallin versus Hopper. And then there's like, it's like an AMRAP, but there's 20 Cal rows and then just kind of gives Hopper a shot, you know what I mean? Not that talent. I mean, Dallin's not really giving any, like, very much, but I do think he'd give Hopper a shot. Yeah, the Would you really like to watch Emma and Danielle over Justin and Lazar?

I think so. I think. I think for them, I don't think there's any animosity, but I also think they both want to. Coming from the same camp, I feel like there's desire, like need to beat the other one. And after this past season when they were 8-9, I think. They're always Immacarry is routinely one spot above Danielle Brandy every single competition they do. Right. So I think it's that kind of they're right there next to each other. It's like Austin Hatfield and Colton Mertens right.

What happened? It crash and. Then you should put that match up up there. I would that match up for me? We could probably. Get really high. I like Hatfield versus Colton maybe? I don't know if we can get Hatfield to do it though. Hatfield to go down and all three of. Them. That would be dope. And there's probably going to be a that's probably going to be a lift at the end of it. I would. Be nervous. I would be nervous if I were Taylor going against those two,

especially in the open. He asked for it, man. He wanted it, I don't feel. Nervous. Oh yeah, he's ready. Yes, good for him. So yeah, there you go. Giant rankings? That would be pointless, Mason. I win everything. Next topic Wait. No, I got to look this up. No, no, no, that is not true, John. What's that? OK. All three of us go head to head. John thinks he can win every single one of them. There's no chance. I think spin's on Mars I. Think he might.

You're wrong. I'm going to pull up the open right now. You can't pull up. Last year I'm a different person than last year. I've been drinking my Oval tea. Yeah, that and he's been running. You and Henry. Yeah, now, Henry, Adam running with me. They don't run. A nice All right, I teased it last week. I published the article he was on Friday. So how can Cara Saunders, Jamie Simmons and Emily Deroy help Oceana earn a fourth spot to the

2024 CrossFit Games? So if you're not familiar with it, Oceana gets 3 guaranteed spots and then based off the number of athletes in the top 100 after quarterfinals, you then do the daunt method and you allocate the 17 spots to the regions. North America, East, West, and Europe got all 17 last year. What you need to have is 5 athletes, 5 men or five women in the top 100 to be able to get

one of those extra spots. And what you have here is kind of looking at it like now that we know Ellie Turner's in, she's currently in 19th, you have Jamie Simmons in 31st, you have Maddie Sturt 62nd and Emily Deroy in 67th. You only have four. We're going to assume that Tia ends up going North America East. So the problem is you have Jamie Simmons and Emily Deroy both going team this year, and then Cara Saunders would come back in the top 100, but she's also going team.

However, I guess one thing to speak about that Grace Walton, Bailey Rogers, Georgia Pryor, Jemma Hawk, Laura Clifton and Julia Hannaford all will probably not break into the top 100 this year. Really. Before, before, after quarterfinals, right. Because the opening quarterfinals are negligible, like you really don't gain any points from it. It's only in semi finals in the games where you make those big jumps by doing well. So they're not going to move up

and so right? And so the the issue is, but you do have Caitlin Vanzill who can move in because she did not compete in the 2022 individual quarterfinals. So when she does compete in the quarter finals, she will gain up to 2000 points and bump her into the top 100. So now you're looking at Maddie, Ellie and Caitlin, but you need two more and that's where those three, those 3, all they have to do is sign up for individual quarter finals.

It looks like they will need to at least do the workouts 80% capacity. Like they don't have to go out and try to win it right, but do well get 1900 and you know, 1900 points out of 2000. Oh, I see. Yeah. Just make it your workout of the day, just like your morning workout is the quarterfinal workout, and that's it. You're training anyway, What's? Yeah, just make it the morning work.

It's five or it's 6-5 days now, so you can just do 1A day and just that's your workout for the day or like in the morning, you know what I mean? And so you don't have to even bury yourself. I mean, they really just, they they just have to do well. It's based off the percentage of athletes. In quarterfinals, every percentile is worth 20 points. So you have to imagine that Cara, Emily, and Jamie all doing it. Even though Jamie is going to be on a team in Europe, she's still

part of the Oceania region. All they have to do is do well, OK. And it they're going to get 1900 points out of 2000 or more probably and then break keep into the top 100. And so you do that. You have 6 athletes in the top 100, they're going to get a fourth spot. Have you done the math on who would bump down? That's where it gets tricky because. Seems like North America. West Valentina Rangel would be #100 who gets bumped out but she's tested positive, so then it's #199.

So you have a whole bunch of those who a lot of insurance and outs, right? So all the athletes are go team that don't do it because they don't care. We'll be bumped out. Christine Cole and Brainer's out like those types but then you have Tia comes back, Haley would come back. Mal's already in there because she did did the quarter she signed up for the quarter finals. So it's it's hard to say, but we don't have a situation where somebody out of Oceania will get

bumped out by one of them. They're not going to bump each other out. It's very, very unlikely that's going to be the case. And so you'll be the first time where somebody outside the Big Three actually get an additional qualified spot, yeah. And her name is Grace Walton. It's one of those, those extra ones. You think it would go to grace? Yeah, for the Torian, yeah. Yeah, I wonder if. It it opens up wide and and what? What's, what's? Tell me your four. Tell me your 4, Brian.

I would say Ellie, Maddie, Grace, probably Caitlin. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they you actually have one extra one. I I'm not doing what you're saying, but like as far as like people that we think and then one more. You know, you know what I'm saying with that? Because Jamie's on a team now, like we always put, you know, Jamie was there's always kind of one girl that we thought she's deserving and she didn't get it. Like that's always been the case, right.

There's been this one girl. It's been Maddie starred a handful of Times Now. There's one extra spot of people that, you know, we think should be there that haven't been, and then there's plus another. What do you think about this from helping? Do 2 retired indie athletes care that much to get a spot in a process? CrossFit may just. Change in a year, Australians. I think, I think, yeah, First off it's Australia. So absolutely they have a pride for that.

But I think, I think you kind of, you don't owe it to anybody. But like, why would you not want your country or your region to have another spot? Because I'm sure like you need to think. Would you not want somebody to do this for you and admit nothing to them? All you had to do is do the workout. You don't even have to kill yourself. That you're probably already doing anyway. That you're probably already doing anyway, for sure. And like like it's not. Even if you're retired, you're

still working out. Look at Scott. They're all they're all still. Competing they're they're just going the. Team, I know, but he said. Retired, right? So even if you, even if you were retired, I think you're still working out. Why would you not to help a fellow compatriot? Now you know what I'm saying. Well, yeah. No I I. It's really what Tia could have done for Australia last year. Had she stayed home? Yeah, but Tia hates Australia. It's a known fact.

It's been no. Question if she had. If she had, just if she had just signed up and paid the registration fee for the quarter finals, she would have been in it. Yep. I don't know what that would have looked like after quarter finals, but she would have added one more of Oceania into the top 100. It could have made a difference.

And I think you're right Tyler, I think that Australia has this country pride or the region pride of, you know, because you're including New Zealand that they they felt like they've been underrepresented. I mean, I think we can all say the guys are definitely underrepresented, but they don't have the same opportunity as the women do.

And I think, and I know Emily Deroy shared the story, so she's aware of it. If they're all talking and say look, we can get an extra spot and basically they would pretty much solidify Oceana from getting 4 spots going forward every single year because of the points you get more. Points from the games, all you. Got to do is go to the games pretty much in the top 100 for two years so and. So your people can't make the games anymore, like your assuring 4 spots. Right.

And it you know there will be, you know that some will drop out, some will come in and then you'll have a mix of at least five to keep that going. And so I think it's the women should band together doesn't again, you don't have to do it and go go all out. You just have to be on the leaderboard and do well and not just put a zero on to to guarantee it, and I think they would then make it.

So It's an interesting concept. I think it would be pretty cool story if we find out in a few months that Oceana does get a spot and it's because those three women end up signing up for it and then. Now the and the men are separate, right? And the men are. Separate men are separate. Yeah, it talks. It's top 100 of your sex, not your. Yeah, OK. Yeah, and so I think Baden Brown would be one. If he came back, they'd have a shot. Yeah, but he's in.

He's in Atlanta now, right? Or am I making? People still compete out of Oceania. Yeah. So yeah, it's we'll see. I mean, when you look at the world rankings of the day, again, they're not going to change that much. The only time it's going to change is if somebody doesn't

compete. So you'll see Christine drop out, you'll see all those that tested positive drop out and then but you're not going to gain points unless you did not compete from the last two years in opener quarterfinals, right. But you're just basically replacing what you did two years ago in those in those two things. So it doesn't really move. So we have a pretty good indication of what it's going to look like. And from what I can tell only the Oceania women have that

opportunity to add a spot. There may be some shuffling between North America and Europe, but I don't really look at that as a big deal. Like if you go from 12:00 to 11:00, not a big deal. If you go from 3:00 to 4:00, that's a. That's a that's more of a a story. Yeah. And it it keeps giving. I mean that's that's the reason they should do it is like if they make that happen this year, it just continues to happen forward. And so it's like one year and you just have to try a little

and it's. No cost to you at all. 50 bucks. But yeah, if you sign by, By the way, if you sign up for teams, do you have to pay another registration fee for Indy? Yeah, so it's 50 bucks. An additional 50 bucks. I'll send you the cash. I want you to do it. I'm sure there's plenty of people here watching from Oceana that would love to see a fourth athlete make it there, so I'm sure a GoFundMe our. Our show is actually very big in Oceana, comparatively our percentage.

What's that movie? Almost famous? We're really big in Belgium. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. As y'all know, as y'all know, 80% of our viewers are from the Oceania region. Isn't that crazy? 80%? I didn't know that. That's why that means like, America hates us, but we are killing it in New Zealand and all stuff. We're probably more Australia than New Zealand, given our inability to remember that Bailey's from New Zealand. But. They'll be. We've learned. We've learned.

All right. We got a new, we got, we're going to wrap it up here, a new segment. This is how we're going to get the American viewers we're going to. Camp Betting with the Boys. It's a new new segment here. Tyler, do you want to spear what we're doing? Yeah, so we're just setting up prop bets, essentially. We're, you know, basically picking one or the other or one of the few pick picks. I spelled babbling. Wrong babbling, babbling. Can you make that Dick? Can you make?

No. I love that coin, by the way. I spent a long time making that. Coin Yeah. Can you make a real coin? Can we? Can we like? We could probably get them conditioned. I I'll figure that out. Just need one. The winner of Challenge Coin? Oh, that. 'D be. Dope. We could flip it and be like if it's on the mountain you got to do this, if it's on pilot space, you got to do this. Yeah. So we're just setting up prop bets. I will leak something early that I probably shouldn't leak.

Is that. Aaron Aaron. Don't listen. He one. He. One is not going to have something like prop bets in, in the app. So we're launching that for the open. So we're kind of just teasing that here. It's it's essentially gambling. We're not setting any rates, but we're just making our picks And so I know spin, we're going to keep track of the picks and track them throughout the year. We're going to do a track of the year and then our loser will have to do some type of punishment.

You want to You want to make the punishment right now. Oh Jesus. And so the end of the year, at the end of the year, we're going to say it's the the day after the CrossFit Games. So the show after the CrossFit Games we will recap who's gotten the most right, who's gotten the most wrong and and you know we might have some awards. We haven't talked about it yet or but the punish the person who's got the most wrong definitely will have a punishment. I think we should figure it out

right now. I'm OK with it. I think that punishment should be different for all of us. I think. You should have to run 10 miles. That's not a bad punishment, man. I I I run seven on every. Every. Every day. Let's go ahead every. Day. I think we come back next week with the punishment. It's still too early. We won't have our answer. OK, hold on, hold on. So we all three come up with punishments for all three of us, and then we agree on the punishment for each of us.

Does that make sense? Tribal decision. So, like, you come up with your own too, right? And then just whichever one the team likes the best for you, that'll be your punishment. And don't be afraid to throw them in the comments to we'll read them next week too, Those. Could be I I love that. I love that. Yeah. All right. First bet. First one when will thrusters show up in the open? Which? Week and people Can people, can people do this in the app?

Tyler, like these questions will be in the app. This is this just for right now. During the open, we'll have some stuff. This one is actually on the heat one Instagram. You can go vote there. I have the votes right now already. All right. So it'll be week 123 or not at all, so. What do you think, John? When we'll thrust the shop in the open, yeah. Yeah. 24.2 and it will be in the form of a dumbbell off the

record. Oh, off the record, but on the record, Huh. Yeah, thrusters will show up in 24.2. Off the record, it will be in the form of a dumbbell. Go ahead, spin. I'm going to look up this stats that I have on when the open shows up. It shows up every year. We've never had it's. Probably the last workout, The last workout's probably when it comes. Down historically was always the last one.

Yeah, and. Then last year was weird because it was just the one Rep Max, I'm going to say it's the last workout. I'm going to go back to Castro style. The last one is going to be something painful with a thruster. It's never been the first workout. Really, it's never been the 1st. Workout, that's. Never been the first workout. I think it's just. Because people, like, don't like them. So what'd you say? Spin Which week? I'm saying 24.3. 24.3 and John you said 24.22.

I'm also going to say 24.2. I am not going to say dumbbell, but I do think dumbbell is likely. Do I get bonus points if it's a dumbbell? We'll give you a bonus point if it is a dumbbell. Then I'm not going with dumbbell. You lose that bonus point, too. The only reason I would say it may not be is because of Bosman saying it's something you'll find in every CrossFit gym because there's no equipment list. I don't know, maybe.

Maybe dumbbells are just guaranteed that you're going to have them available in every affiliate, but I feel like they would. They would stay away. They continue to put it out as an equipment list. I would love a a repeat of 20.2. I know Peter's question was like which of the first self pornography and maybe they shouldn't be the first one, but if y'all remember 20.2 was the 20 minute amrap of four dumbbell thrusters, 6 toes to bar and

then 24 double unders. That workout was so deceptive because you'd go like 10 or 11 minutes flying. They're doing great and then right around the 12 minute mark just explode. And it did that to everybody. Didn't you didn't, didn't Castro say in his we can review that it was going to be something completely different in such a totally. Different. For this year. Yeah, that makes me. Feel like it's 24? Yeah, go ahead. My thought is 24.1 will be fight gone bad.

Oh, I. Don't think we've ever done a workout like. We've not done a fight gone bad, no. Do you think that would be? Where you can judge? No, because it's just reps. Like you just counted reps? Yeah, but the problem is you can game the workout to where you can get more reps on certain things. OK, that's the point. But like if you're fit enough, you're not gaming the workout, you get maximal reps. On everything, it's it's wall balls. The only question is like sumo

deadlift tie poles. That would be something new. But again, you could do it. It wouldn't be a terrible. Standard. It could be a fly gone bad style, you know what I mean? You 4. Oh, just in a row. Yeah, all those things are very common. That'd be cool. 4 movement, 16 minute AMRAP, 4 rounds of each, No rest minute and you just do most reps you know what I mean? I haven't done Fight Gone. Bad. I think that'd be really hard to gain, especially if you don't have a rest minute.

I'm going to write a fight gone bad, but like a two point O something different. There you go. That'd be fun, that was. I used to do that all the time back when I first started. Yeah, yeah, I remember. Doing it as long as you returned back to and see if you could do. I want, I want to so it's off the record for that dumbbell. If it's thrusters and it's not a dumbbell, I still want my point. It's just off the record. I think it'll.

Be a side bet. Helping Boss had an IG story a couple days ago with a censored text that made it sound like a couplet and aligned with Dave's Week in Review. The. Ups and burgers, yeah. Bring those back. Good idea. 7 minutes of V UPS, That'd be different. Oh. Dude, everybody can do it. Yeah, I guess they wouldn't live listen to the level one of their all. But that thing's so sketchy though for V UPS. Do you agree with this John? Fight gone bad is irrelevant.

Now it's slinging a bar around like a Jag ass for 20 minutes. I think you could any workout, you know, frame is irrelevant. You're just flopping around the on a pull up bar. Like, I didn't even say that Bernie works. Yeah, I. I don't think it's irrelevant. I still think it's good cardio. I think if I did that workout, I would be breathing heavy. I'd be sweating like it'd be good cardio, right? It's not Missy Heavy. Yeah, go faster. Is is Jackie too?

Is Jackie irrelevant? I don't think so. Just because I can do it, I'm broken. It doesn't make it mean it's irrelevant. You might just be you've won the workout. You're fit enough that it's not hard then just which is not true then do something harder. But but I'm saying I don't use a use a 30 LB ball ball. Make the weight heavier like it's not. I don't think if you went out.

Still five time bad. If you sprinted the first round and went just, I mean ball out and you in your row, you ended up pulling whatever what, 3000 calories per hour? Like for a minute? You would not recover out in a minute and do as many wall balls the next minute as you did the first minute. It definitely is what you make. Right. And I Now maybe you might have tapped yourself out on the workout, but then get fitter and

come back. Right. Fight Helping says fight gone bad would match up with how they promoted the benchmark workouts in the app with 5K run and having cap athletes do grace. I don't know. I I see. I see. Castro as being maybe a little bit more, going back to his style of like, you got to suffer, you got to dig deep, especially in the open. It's not something we've ever done like this exactly right, and we go back to the history of the sport. The roots. Yeah, yeah. Fight gone bad.

You heard it here first, folks. Yeah, I agree with him when he said like in a comp setting, but this isn't a competition setting. This is a workout at your gym. I know it's the open repeat top 25%. It's not a competition setting. It's been on repeat that the Open is not a competition. Anymore all all we're trying to do is get the top 20 percent, 25%, two quarter finals like and the and nobody that is in that will ever fall out of the top 25% in this workout. It's not super serious.

It's more like, Hey, Tyler, what'd you get? I got this. Oh, you beat me by two reps You know what I mean? Like, it's more a community shit, which is what they want, right? They don't want it to be serious. They want it to be a community. Everybody together. And then if you're any fit at all, you'll make it to quarter finals. And then quarter finals will probably get a little bit more serious. We'll see what we Oh, I I have no idea. That's. Yeah. OK. Yep.

Next. All right, Prop #2, The number of times Castro does an open announcement over under 1.5. I'm going under. I'm going under. You're saying that you're sticking with one or zero? One or zero? I'm going to go with over, I'm going to say even if he doesn't, he thinks he's only going to do one, he'll do the first one, he's. Doing the first, he for sure is doing the last. And then he will be like, I want to continue to do it, no. He, for he for sure, is doing the first one.

If he's doing them at all, there's no way he does the last one. If, if he if he does like only one. No, I'm saying he's going to do the first one and even if he doesn't have plans to do the second or third, he'll he'll kind of like end up doing it. I think he just, he wants it. It seems like every year he's just wanted to give that away for some reason, which I don't know why he's so key to the open. He's he is almost the open. You know what I mean?

Like the open feels like the open with Dave, and so I want him to do all three. I don't think he's going to. I look at. That step on do the last one. They're trying to get more viewers, not less. I I think what Castro did with announcing Hiller's suspension is part of what he does right? Like, he got people talking about the Open last week when there was no news coming out. Yeah, right. Like, that's what he does. He enjoys that anticipation, build up suspense, throwing the

hints out there. He may never admit it, but I think he does. I think he really likes it. And he'll go out there. He'll do the first announcement, he'll see how the community relax and really liked it. And he'll be like, I'm doing it again. I get it. I can't. I can't not do it, so I'm over. How many fall? Well, you know they want as much publicity as possible. They want as many views that they want as many people doing the open as possible. Dave only helps that.

I don't see how addict like who could you add besides The Rock or Taylor Swift to the open announcement that's going to boost it more than Dave like. Inside Dave, do an open announcement. Then The Rock do an open announcement. I don't want the same freaking Danny Spiegel wins the Titan games. Matt Fraser wins the freaking open, right? Keep the rock at this. Dave Castro is my open announcer. 738,000 followers he has right now. That alone is why he should do all three of them.

Yeah, if you have don't understand Dave's ability to do the open announcement, go watch an old 1 from 2017 or earlier and then go watch the first year 2019 when he didn't do it, when they just started reading off a card because they've never really seen it, they may have not even seen. It at times or they're fine. They're doing their best.

Complete, complete offense. No, but I'm saying they're not Dave Castro. He has he has a knack for like he he, he, yeah, the greatest showman, said Castro is our Greatest showman. Like, he's good at, you know what I mean? Like he he makes it suspenseful and it's like, yeah, it's cheesy, but dude, it's it's, it's. Great. He got butterflies. Every time he would do it.

I would get fucking nervous and sit there and be like, Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. And then that year that they shifted away from him, I was like, oh. Yeah, and like, he wouldn't just read it off. He he knew how to read it off in a way that added even more drama to it. Like you wouldn't. Let me write it on a chalkboard and chicken scratch and make you try to squint to read the Open workout. And write it. In weird orders and then go back and then go down and like, wait, what are we?

Doing oh wait wait wait wait wait Reroutes. Not just one. Yeah, right, Like. Nobody can replicate that. And so he has to do more than more than one. I'm going over. John's going over. And Tyler is, for some reason going under. That's fine. I can't wait till I'm right. Your loss. It'll be. It'll be all right. All right. Last one for this week. How many 2023 CrossFit Games athletes.

So athletes who were competed in the 2023 CrossFit Games will finish inside the top ten of this year's Open men and women combined. So technically 39 athletes because Jason Smith is out. Can't we see the top 10 of 2023? Are you able to pull that up? Let me pull it up here for you. Of the open. Thank. You, yes. So this is per per division, right? This is not. Total No. This is in total. Oh, men and women. Total.

Men and women from last year's CrossFit Games that finished in the top ten of the Open, so we will go back to. You know, we know which ones made the game, so we don't need to like. We'll go back to last year's open, right? So we're technically looking at 2022. Let's see. There we go. Get Tyler out of here. All his favorite athletes in fourth. What? Are you doing Tyler? He didn't drop myself off. Maybe I dropped two out. So there's one. So we got 2 Colton.

Ricky 345. But it's a different year. So this is 22. We're thinking about 22 CrossFit Games into 2023. So Adler, Colton, Ricky Dallin. That's four. That's four on the men's side. OK. Can you go down to the next 5, please? Oh, we got one coming, Austin. Half and he's coming. Yeah, but no. But he wasn't in the 23 games. Wait, hold on. Their points. Their points are off. Ryan, I don't think you have it sorted right. Nope, this is it. Oh, it's it's lower points lower. I got, I got.

I got. I'm sorry. OK. So four made it in the 22 games and made it into the top ten the following year. The women's a little bit different story. Is it like all ten of them? So Mal O'Brien, Paige Powers, Emma Lawson, Ariel Lowen, Alex Gazan, Brooke Wells, Elena Karatala Sanahua, Amanda Barnhart, Ellie Turner, and then Zoe Warren. And then do the next 5-10, do the next 5 Kelly Baker Fuliano domain. Miss Donut, Man, Gabby and Man. And God, the women are right

there, aren't they? The women are all up there, so there were four men and nine women, so. 13 I'm going to say over. I'm going under. I'm going under. Why are I'm going under Because of the 25% rule. I don't think you're going to see as many redos. I don't think you're going to. People see people trying as hard and so I think there will be other people who don't go to the games or something like that and they will redo because it can beat big names and the big names

won't care. All right. I agree with Tyler. John, what? What's your reason? I think, I think there's a decent amount of money as far as who gets the top now. I know it's not a lot, but it's more than it was. 15,000. I mean, that's that's good enough to want to try. So I don't. I think the women just carry it over. I think. I think if the women are 9 out of 10, there's no way I can

lose. And I think the women, there's a gap with the women is so substantial as far as the top of the top to, like, really good, but not like 3020, fifth in the games down and top ten in the games. Women are worlds apart, worlds, OK? And I just think those women will always be there. And then I need three guys and Colton's one of those guys. So if it's a specialty one, I know Colton will be there. Here's here's The X Factor. You got Ricky coming back.

You got Tia coming back. You got Haley coming back, maybe Mal. All those who are not part of the games, who can easily break into the top ten and push somebody out. So. Yeah, you're you're right. I just named 4/4 names. That puts it at 10. Yep, and they will fill the spots of Tyler Christofel, Zoe Warren, and Elena Caratalos Anahua. I think. They were. Voted under. I voted, I voted under you and. Over. I'm. I'm saying over. I just think it's funny that you're making a case for the

over even though you're you're. He's not. He's saying the under because these are people in the 2023 CrossFit Games. Ricky wasn't there, Tia wasn't there. He's saying there's a lot of these names are going to be there that weren't there before. 10410 four And then I think on top of it, I agree with Tyler where the top 25% rule. I don't think you have to try, dude, they. Weren't worried about the top 10% either. It's the same thing.

I get it. But like also add in Brook Wells, that's another one who was in that list there from 22, she could be in there again. So I think there's a lot of names that we could see come back and push those out who were at the games. I think 11 1/2 is going to be pretty close. I'm going with the under so. I like it. I like 11 and A. Half is over. 11 1/2 is a really good line. Good job. So there you go. You made the line to. Be now he made the.

He made the line on this. One Ryan made the line. I made the line, yeah. So there you have it. Betting with the boys, we'll keep track of it. We'll we'll have three more, one, three more next week and we'll continue to go through this as the season progresses and see who is the best between the three of us. So all right, good show guys. Heat one, keep an eye out for that. You'll be coming up with some stuff for the Open here soon. John, any PRS that you want to

mention on JY Barbell? PR of the Week, there's APR Week. I'll PRAPR of the week. All right. We're in PR season right now. We got a lot of stuff going on. I don't know, it was like 4 of them. I don't just want to say one, it's too many. Dimensions I'll just I'll say. None. I'll bring. I'll have APR of the week. That's a great thing. I'll have APR of the week next. Week. Yeah, I'll say. I'll say 1. Jessica Wicks cleaned 190 the other day.

And am I lagging? You're you're lagging bad all of a sudden. All of a sudden. That's all right. Go to Jy Barbell on Instagram. Go. Down to John. He'll get you strong. Go to Heat One and Tyler with stuff coming on the Open and then obviously the barbell spin for all of your news until next week. Bye, bye.