PFAA Live Call-In & Rogue Invitational Qualifying System

Welcome welcome to the spin Tyler. Come on August 21st we're back skipping it real says 2 for one action. You got two shows in a week. A little lucky lucky for you guys, Victorio, what's up one of our favorites heavy Seve. There's a heavy John young. Did you know that JY? Yes, I've seen him. Of course you have he's. Huge outside of McDonald's. That's where we talk. It's where the John Young's meet. Omar using the TMZ membership icon there. Too bad YouTube doesn't let us

show it through here. ESC sounds great. Sponsor of ours during the CrossFit Games. Maybe it's been tennis still out there. Get a get a deal on on your favorite mini ESC, mini and headphones and. Good night, Melanie. Thanks for telling us that you're not going to watch the show. She gave us a view. Well, it's been a quite a week. Tyler, how you doing? Good man, I going through the comments was fun this morning.

It's really, like, entertaining. Dude, I I can't keep up with them, but there's so many freaking comments. Like every once in a while I'll click on one and to see like the just the absolute like just unbelievable thread of one of the comments and how much they go back and forth arguing. It's wild. It's, I'm going to start out weird. Did you know Prince was a

believer in chemtrails? And he had a theory, He had a theory that they used it as a mind control device, that the government would fly over it like a part of the city. They would drop all their chemtrails and then everybody in the like, that little St. would start fighting and killing each

other and stuff. And, and right now, I feel like that's what's going on in the CrossFit world is that somebody flew over, dusted us, and now everybody's just up in arms and it's like, hey guys, maybe just watch and see. Now you have to react very quickly and very angrily on on social media. John, how you doing? I'm great, man. I'm not going to lie. I'm a little burnt out on things but I'm I'm, I'm, I'm it'll be OK. We'll get through it.

I will, I was coaching today and, and the I don't know what something happened and then I had 70 text messages from the chat and I'm like, and I have to check it to see if, you know, somebody got fired or something big happened, right? And and then like I'm trying to sift through these while like the workout's going on and then somebody broke the seat off the echo bike and then I had to go fix that. And then, then, then, then I'm now now I'm like in coach mode.

So I'm coaching for 10 minutes and I come back to my phone, there's sixty more text messages and I'm just like, right, right. I just don't like, I don't care anymore. I don't. I'm like, wake me up when something happens, whether I like it or not. I'll deal with it when it happens and I just don't care. I appreciate you for joining and. Well, you do a whole show that makes you happy. But I'm ready to be positive on the on the spin. I'm ready to rock like, let's go.

That's right. So we're going to, I was going through the the comments and trying to think through like what, what topics can we talk about today? And I came up with two the road qualifying system and the PFAA statement. JY Barbell, get yours somebody. Asked me about my shirt I was just showing. Them Yeah, you need to get one he needs he needs everybody's support. So we'll go through over your comments again, leave some comments down there.

We'll read them off next week, subscribe, all that fun stuff. Tyler, you need to get some armor on for your the comments this week and then we'll get into some Rd. qualifying system at Joshua Patterson. Man, Tyler and I had the same parents. You can't share the. No one gets anything. Can't do it with three brothers, man. It's. Good advice there, John, as a parent. You say it again. If you can't, if you can't share with a sibling or another friend, then nobody gets

anything. Just take it everything, take it away from everybody. Nobody gets it so. I think the best one gets it. And then if you're going to do that to your kids. And then if, if you want it be the best one, everybody's got different levels. You don't have to be, you don't have to be better. You don't have to be better, you just got to be. Like your? Best one. No, no, no. Everybody's different, right? Everybody's got different levels.

If there is a scaled athlete that sells his soul, sells, let's say sells her soul and she holds 70 on the Echo bike for, I don't know, 40 seconds, and she's never, ever done that. And then you got some big dude who cranked 100 for 10 seconds and beat her. She worked harder, she did better. She's the best one that day, so. If she wants that pull up bar, she gets that pull up bar. Is that what I'm saying? Yes, Yes, she. Literally. She's earned it, yeah.

Tyler's like Nope, that that pull up bar is off limits. I'm going to take it down. Nobody. This is literally a segment of an athlete biopic where I was like, yeah, my dad said like. You got to be the best. Or won't be around here. Go ahead, Tyler. Male male guy. Just got here guys. Oh good at Carlton. Tyler is so wrong with this. It's not about control, it's about basic safety. And if you listen carefully, athletes have said this many times. Listen to Matt on Rogan.

Yeah, I'm not going to listen to that again. That's that's been a few years at Barbed wire. Cat is very thankful for our show and the diverse thoughts expressed at Lin MO 1975. Who is this imbecile wearing the white headphones? For real? What an ass there. You go. These are high grade headphones. Why didn't she say it like that at the end? So what an ass. What an ass. At Laura Spooner, you met her at

the games. They shouldn't wait till all of the info is out and then make a decision when the dust has settled and the emotions aren't so high. Makes no sense to make a decision when emotions are at an all time high. Justify two cents. Agreed. That would that would be way too simple. Yeah, not as responsible. Yeah. Crossfat should have made Tyler read this like mean tweets. I did that all of this morning.

I'm super down to pull up like the meanest things and then just make them read it. I'm super down if we want to do that. Something to make them read them. The best? They hate us 'cause they ain't us. That'll be the segment. That'll that'll be the segment. The absolute worst comments. There was a lot of news for them recently. Was was not family appropriate or podcast appropriate? Probably, but there's. There's plenty. Canadian glory hole is that.

The one, yeah, I mean. Yeah, at Megan Lorna Still can't watch the final? Is it YouTube and Australia or the rest of the world missing out too? No, you cannot watch the final event of the 2024 CrossFit Games. You can watch our reaction to it, though, and it's it's. Yeah, you'll be wondering what you're missing. It sounds exciting for sure, I'll tell you that right now, Jacqueline Robertson Spin reads mean, comments show. Never do. It's a segment, it's not a whole.

We're going to add. Well, I will get depressed if we do a whole show that's a that's a 5 minute segment. I used to think we couldn't do it. Now we could definitely. I think we. Could next we have we have enough hate, right the more. We have enough hate. The more hate the better. It's funny because like back in the day when we first started the show, there's no way I could have handled the hate. And now it's like, it's like waking up. It's no big deal. You, you've merely adopted the

hate. I was born. I was molded by it. I didn't see positive comments until spin. At Helson Albernaz This is so hard to believe. James Sprague the effing James Sprague is a 2024 CrossFit Games champion. Yep. There you go. There was so many comments to go. I think. I think last night's show had over 110, almost 120 comments, something like that.

Yeah, a lot of it was I. Looked on there and I saw that y'all were like when an hour after I got off and then I saw 122 comments and I was like I'm I'm good. I I probably I've probably got it. I don't know what was said but like. Going to sit this one out. I probably got what? What happened? I mean they're, they weren't all original, right? Like so somebody says something and then next, you know, you have like 6 people arguing back

and forth like you're an idiot. How could you say that 'cause I said you're an idiot? Yeah, I just assumed it was Travis was you know pro Brent Fukowski, Velen or whatever their stance was and Tyler had about 8 analogies that nobody knew what was happening and and spin was just mediating. That's what I assume. Happened what?

What's great about the comments is that, like, there's people who are angry because I was on one side of the argument, and there's people who are angry 'cause I was on the other side of the argument, and then there's people who are angry 'cause I was on no side of the argument. Yeah, yeah. Did we bring up the Glory Hole Comet? We did not bring it up, but if you want to go check it out, trying to be a little.

It's a doozy. Yeah. We did talk about biker gangs though, so I don't know if you I was. Here for that? Yeah, I was here for that one. That was a good analogy. It was one of my better ones. I stand by that analogy. Ed al stand. I stand with that analogy. Ed Al wants to bring back Brad Pitt. Get rid of JY. There we go. Ed's been trying to get rid of me for years. Ed Scott Perkins and Crossfat, I think, get together and just talk about how much they don't like me.

The John Young Hate Support Group. Yeah, those those three. Probably pink shorts too, Ed. Schwartz is not a fan. Other than that, there's probably one more I'm not thinking about, but those, those guys, they will get on every podcast just to hate. ETA there you. Go All right, let's talk about the Before we get to the PFAA and let some people call in, we'll put the phone line at that point.

The Rogue Invitational qualifying system has been updated for the 2024 CrossFit Games and some interesting reactions. If you're not familiar with this, this is a multi year ranking system that Rogue put together that basically looks at the CrossFit open, the CrossFit quarterfinals, the CrossFit Games and then the Rogue imitational and gives people points based off that. You get less points as the years go by. So results from three years ago gets less points than this

year's CrossFit game. So, you know, recent performance weighs more heavily than something from three years ago. And their idea is of the 20 games or the 20 spots for the Rogue Invitational, they're going to take five from the qualifier, a minimum of 10 from this qualifying system, and then they'll figure out the next 5 looking at the 2024 CrossFit Games and who they like. And of course, everything they say is then footnoted with this is an Invitational, so we can do

whatever we want. And so let's take a look at the rankings. And we could probably pick who they're going to invite too. I guess you got to wait and see who doesn't come. Yeah, so they said that they're going to have invites out by Friday, so athletes will start having an idea of. It'll be interesting if the Europeans don't want to commit to this if it because it's, but it's in Europe, you know what I mean?

There's no way I'm imagining. They're never going to have this opportunity like, or I mean, I guess they will, but it's the first time they've had an opportunity like this. Yeah, yeah, it'll be a huge. And then we'll see who wants to compete on the women's side. Tia Claire, Toomey Orr on top, Laura Horvath second. Laura's BFF, maybe Gabby Mcgallo in 3rd. Danielle Brandon. I just just EBFEBF. Yeah, think about it. Exiled best friend. Ex Best Best. Ex best friend. It's, you know, BFF.

Made that more I. Was I was, yeah. We don't know how that how that's going down. Laurel and her and her brother are a little vocal right now. We'll get into that here in a bit. Did you about screw up and stay it again? Yeah. You did? Yeah, you. Did do they live in the in the Alabama of Europe? Is that what you're about to do? Is that what is Hungary? Like the Alabama is rude Europe you both have don't don't get it confused.

They're brother and. Sister, I wonder if they there is like a country in Europe where they make fun of that, stuff like that. Oh, the it's the, it's, it is the Alabama of Europe. Yeah. What? Country is a country that's like that, like, you know, we make fun of like Alabama and like West Virginia, right? But like, I wonder if there are European countries that they do the same thing. I, I don't know. I'm I'm wondering, I'm curious. Do. You think so?

I'm going with Kazakhstan just. Because nobody knows how to say it. Yeah. Balo pleased that they have a falling out not Laura and Christoph have not. Gabby and Christoph were dating as far as I know. They obviously took two different very different paths on hand. How to handle the the continuation of the CrossFit Games, I don't know. I don't know what.

They have a they have a weird triangle, Gabby's best friends with Laura and girlfriend with Kris Kristoff and Laura and Kristoff feel one way and Gabby, I don't know if she feels the same way, but she kept competing and they haven't. As far as we know. They haven't spoken since. We haven't seen them together since any of them. I'm sure they've spoken, but like. They don't like each other's things on Instagram anymore. Stuff like that. Like, like there's stuff like that. That is true.

Ben Smith was there as the support structure for Gabby, whereas I don't think that that was original the original intent. Yeah, I don't know. I I do know there were rumors that Laura and crew left Fort Worth pretty early on, but rolled out. That was a rumor. Don't know if that's true or not. I. Don't know. Malo doesn't think there's a cancel culture in Europe, though. There is in Canada. Travis.

Danielle Brandon 4th Emma Lawson, 5th Ariel Lowen, 6th Alexis Raptors 7th Annie Thoris daughter hold on to 8th place. What a what a chance. What is she doing right now? She's being a Mama. I'm saying like, does she look like she's in shape or does she look like she's being a mom? I think she's selling some daughter skin and. So, so not not in shape then. OK, I'm just, I'm just curious. You're like, you know, Rogue suits her, right? So. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know if she's been training enough. And that's that is kind of the big question, right. Like it used to be top 15 kind of general guidelines is that's who got invited. So you knew that they were in peak physical condition. This system allows for some athletes to have not possibly been trained as hard to kind of stay in there based off a previous performance. Alex Kazan and then Brooke Wells. So those would be the ten female athletes who we think would most

likely get invited. And I think the ones, the only ones that might not do it would would be, I guess Laura's a question mark, but Ariel possibly. And then Annie, I don't know, the Americans, I guess we just don't know because it's so easy to do it for them. And now it's not. Now it's not. I think the Americans will go as long as they feel like. They everything's paid for and stuff. Yeah, they get, they get stipends and it is.

Different. Yeah, but it's going to be a freaking cool experience to go, Yeah. I would 100% go. Yeah, the thing that I think is interesting and it kind of ties into the PFAA is, you know, a lot of calls of, well, if CrossFit doesn't do what we want, we'll just go do other competitions or Rogue should take over. Does anyone remember like last year's Rogue? Where we thought, what are you

doing here? Yeah. Like it was pretty rough and then they had to go deadlift, you know, 20 times and set 10 PRS. But it's not the games man, so they don't get near. As not. But they dreaded people's hands. They never ran that many events and there for a minute I remember talking about it because I was like, bro are you practicing? Yeah, yeah, I. Hope there is there. Do you know if there what the venue looks like in Scotland? Is it indoors?

It's an indoor. I think it's probably a lot like Dickies from a OK just I'm just saying they. Thought you know it rained in America last year? Scotland. Oh no, you'd have zero chance. Rains every day. My guess is it's all indoors. They, you know, you never know, they could do an outdoor event. I hope they do some strongman thing like that pays an homage or like a Highlander thing. They'll do something like that.

Yeah, I don't know how they, I mean, with the baseball field, they had so much space to have all those big, huge things set up. I don't know how, if you know what this venue is going to be like to be able to have all of that mixed in with the CrossFit stuff. What did they call that? Big ramp again. Matter Hill. No. No, no, no, no, no. The one where they with the rope. And what the the the turtle? No, I maybe it was turtle. No, it was it was the strongman

implement. Yeah, wool that they. Had to, yeah. I can't remember what. No, it was like a a a like a lift or some type of like. It was like a a roller coaster. Yeah, that was it was roller coaster. Roller coaster. OK, there we go. Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about. Not that. Well, I can't see that or that that big thing that the. The wheel of pain. Conan thing, yeah. Yeah, that would be pretty cool. We have to. Lighten it, but. Right. Yeah, they get about half the

size. You know, you know, it's funny. It'd be so different because cross fitters would go so much longer than the strongman will. If the weight, if it's a weight they can do right, the strongman like they they making this impossible. Wait, but they're only going a minute, right? Like the cross fitters would never stop, right? I guess it's a minute. For how long? So I guess that you could speed it up and then it's just a minute time, you know what I

mean? That's what they would have to do. I'd love to see dude Hopper and Dallin and Roman against each other on that. That'd be really, really fun. Well, that's the question is does Roman even compete because he's dealing with some type of hip? Injury all broken? Yeah. Yeah, I and Speaking of like safety and whatever, you remember the last year they had the they had to pull the bowl like with the rope, right?

They like had it strapped on him and then one dude like snapped his Achilles and passed out like freaking crazy. Strong men. They're somebody that always gets hurt. They're not about, they're not about safety and strong, strong men. They're like, we're probably going to get hurt. I mean they're walking duct tape anyway dude. They're like the amount of volume and shit they do. It's like they are just cruising for a bruising at all times.

Something's about to snap that with the amount of drugs that they do like putting that, it's like, I'm not saying it like in any sort of judge mental way. It's just like. What they do, they do. Tightens the shit out of your tendons. They're on all the. Drugs. Yeah, and it's like that. You're just waiting to snap at any moment. Yeah, the sport where half of them get bloody noses during the deadlift and there's going to be the strong woman contest for the first time too, so. There's some.

I watched that last. I can't remember where I watched The Strong Women, but I was like, it was a lot more entertaining. There's like some characters in there. I can't do the strong women, man. It's pretty cool. Dude, don't. I can't do it, dude. I'm all about the CrossFit women. I am. I am. I love that we like have as equality as you can have. It's awesome that the women are just as good as the men and like if TI mean Tia, they're better than the men, but I can't do the

strong women, man. I just can't. They're just like when they they do what they do and they throw whatever they throw. But then you hear this like like like from a 24 year old woman, like it's Jews to the girls. I just can't just I just can't do it. I'm sorry, I can't do it. I just can't like it's, I like it. I know there's people that can. I'm not, I'm not It's nothing to them. It's nothing. I they have fans too. I'm I'm not hating on what they do.

It's just not for me. I I like the strong men. Maybe I'm sexist, but. When you girls want to be on the show, I'll interview you will kick John off and. Oh, I will interview you. I I but. Don't want to watch you? But I'm just, yeah, you're not. You're not very entertaining to me. That's what I do. If we ever got a strong woman on the show, I'd be like, so John Young hates what you do. I don't, I don't hate what you do, I just hate what you look

like. To say you hate what they do, just say you hate what they're just. Joking. I'm just joking. I just, I personally can't do it. OK, there you go, John. It's nothing against them. Rack up those bad. Comments. Thanks buddy. Throw your comments in the down there below. We'll read them all. They're. Awesome. They're awesome. Y'all go kill it. I'm not going to be a part of it, but like y'all go kill it.

You're awesome, you go do it. I can't you know if water polo was on the TVI can't do that either. I tried to watch it for 5 minutes. I'm like, this is pretty boring. I can't do. It. So this is where it gets interesting. So after that, Amanda Barnhart, Emma McQuaid, 3rd place finisher, Emily Rolf, Hayley Adams, Emma Carey, Paige Samenza, EMS and Tall Man and Agonies didn't even compete. Yeah, she shot.

The game is really, really high. But she's but she's been at the she qualified for rogue twice through the queue and get gained those points. Karen Freova, Danny Spiegel, Bethany Flores top five finisher down there in 22nd. So essentially, Rogue's going to have to come out and find five more athletes from here. The question is who? I assume Emily Rolf gets in that invite, right? I think anybody on the podium will get an invite.

Yeah. Yeah, honestly, I think Emma Carrie will get an invite whether she wants to take it or not. Emma Carrie's a big draw. That would be wild, right? Like she comes back and. Does does Rogue say, you know what? This year's Games is just too wild. We're not except like, if you made podium, we're not like. No, they said, they said that they were going to. They said they were going to so. We're pretty sure the podium ain't going to be very good at our company.

I'm not saying they would, I just. Say. They would. Rogue is pretty good though about inviting people that will be good for their competition like they think these people will be good like I could see Sprague. Will be amazing for that competition. OK, they're the podium. It's the podium, right? But like other than that? Like what you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Emma tall will be is very would be very good in their competition. I I kind of think she'll get an invite.

What about Danny Spiegel? She's 20th. Probably. And she's been in Rogue and won events year after year after year. I 100% could see Danny Spiegel getting an invite. I think he will get an invite. I I Rogue has always been very good at inviting people that will be a big draw or will win events and do well in their competition. And their competition is is different than the CrossFit Games. It just is.

A combination of both, which is important because like if you're a big draw, but you're not going to do well or, or, or have events where you, you're impressive, they won't invite you. But they, they usually do both. And I appreciate that about them, 'cause I don't want this to be the Instagram games. No. It's not me. I just saw a comment. I think the final might be up now, the final Sunday finale. Influence right here. We've been up here. Yeah. Who?

Who made that comment? You're welcome. Yeah. You guys, what I would do is I would simultaneously play like our broadcast while you're watching that just cause it's better. Yeah, we do. Do time stamps vindicate? Is the PFAA involved with Rogue I? Cannot see Bill and Katie. They, they put him in a room with a guy who is paid to look like a rogue employee but is not at like not actually a rogue employee. He's just a contractor that they sit him in there with and he's

like, Oh yeah, we'll do that. We'll do that. Josh Bridges and Spieler. Yeah, one of the most risk comfortable people in the world. Right on the men's side, Jeff Adler, Pat Vilner, Justin Medeiros, Roman with his hip injury, who knows if he'll be able to accept BKG 19th, 20th this year. I think he'll go. He likes Rogue. Years and years of I guess good performances kept him up there. Jason Hopper always does well at Rogue. He's going, Ricky, he's going.

Question mark, I mean he's, he's ankle. I think it'll be fine. I don't think he broke anything. So in two months, it's it's the end of November. I doubt Noah would go. Yeah, like Noah going team and what's interesting is Rogue actually for their rankings. If you go team, you actually get points based off your previous two years of games performance with a 15% penalty. So Noah and Chandler both earned points based off of the previous two years performance. So they got points.

So did Laura Horvath in fact because of the withdraw the they gave her points. Dallin Pepper and Jay Crouch round out your top ten. Yeah, after that Chandler. I. Think, I think I think Chandler I I got no, I would say no, but Chandler like his best competition is rogue is Rogue. Yeah, it's it's the best programming for him. If he can make a competition, he would make Rogue. Renata when did Roman get the

injury? I don't know when, but I'd heard on Sunday he was dealing with a hip injury. And you could notice like a complete drop off. Yeah. Yeah, he did not perform like, yeah, So I don't know if it was something on Saturday, if it was the 1000 box step UPS or what, but yeah, what's that? It would be dope if they invited Paige. Also Kelsey but Paige would be a cool move. Well, Kelsey, Kelsey hasn't earned it at this point.

No, I agree. Paige is, she's somewhat decently ranked for not, yeah, 24th. So maybe she's totally, she may be a little too far out, but you never know. And then Mr. Vykowski and 12th Sam Quant, 13th Yonakoski. Do you invite Yonah? I think so. It's Europe. He's he's, he's very kind of Europe's, one of Europe's best. I think they'll wanna show European people's their best people. And he's like right across the the water there. I don't know. It's it's not his best competition.

It's not, but you know, you want Europe's best people there and he's one of Europe's best people. Yeah, I mean, you really like to pick if Noah. I guess if Noah and and Roman declined, then you do have a couple extra spots. Saxon Pantryk. Travis Mayer. I met Travis's parents in the parking lot on Sunday afternoon. So. I love that you sent that picture that I had no clue. And I was like, I don't know who this is. And then like, I don't know, it's an hour or two later.

You're like, that's Travis's parents. Yeah, if I got no response from you guys, especially you. I was just like, oh cool, it's been you're taking pictures of the fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Samuel Cornwalle Yellow Hosta, Henry Capitoline and they go all the way down here underneath Key, underneath Will Morad, Will James Sprague down there in 25th, but Will straight. Up. Look at Austin 27th. Not bad for being basically in the in the sport for a year do.

You think he'll get an invite? He'd be a but. Austin would wreck shop at Rogue. But we're now going to cater a little bit more to the European fan base, I think. Or do you think that they want to bring over Americans? It's like when the I I think they. Want to be the best? People, yeah, I think they want to make bring the best people, but I do think it will be an onus on the year like Europeans.

It's not like they have a whole bunch of people, like at the top there's like five guys, like in the men's field, there's like five guys that kind of like these are their five guys, right? BKG Yona Yella I. Mean they only have three in the top 20. And then Heinrich. Heinrich. 4/4 in the top 20. From here that's. What I'm saying, it's not like they have this like so many people. I just think, I just think Austin would like in rogue programming, think about how they program.

It is his style. Dude, he's got all like the strength in the world as far as those type of events. He's Hardy. Yeah, it's funny. A note on Hatfield. I don't. I'm not saying he'd win or anything, but I do think he's pretty high. Yeah, I I rescored the games doing P score and a couple different things I play. With I saw that it's it's pretty crazy where he where he was, yeah. It was 10th.

No, I know I was like, but it was the most up and down games like you could have and like roller coaster of games you can have. And then the fact that he ended up the same spot is pretty crazy to me. I'm always tinkering with different formulas, so it's like I have the original Z score formula, the P score formula, and then like usually one that I'm screwing around with and then every single one he was 10th. Who was first, though? In Peace Corps, it was Dallin.

Was there was there an event that caused that? I didn't. I didn't have time to look into it. I basically finished it up. This time for Firestorm, because I know Jason was ahead of everybody, but like Dallin was also ahead of everybody by a lot. Yeah, those short events can really. Ricky, Ricky kind of got screwed because the run was only like, it's only like 50 points. That's what that's how I broke it up. And he kind of gets screwed because of that.

Well, I mean, Dicky's triplet, he would have been top three if he could run and like like he's he was done with that. You know what I'm saying? He would have been right there in the mix with the top five guys. If I'm not saying to win but he'd be he'd be worth like downer area like. So you use Tyler, you use the mile time for the run, just use the mile as that was here. And then I have the the other the other one as well. I have the the Sprint carry thing.

Crossfat. You said every rendition, everything you did with Austin, he was 10th place. You try to watch. It this is like no matter what I am correct? That. He's going to be 10th place. I got at the end of it and I looked at it and I was like, well, son of a bitch. It would be really interesting if you looked back at like how much time was wasted for no reps on the rope climbs if he had gotten if he had gotten first like on on the squat on the clean ladder. I've done the math on it like

with with like the clean ladder. So I with a perfect run, perfect run, I'm saying like no reps and I was like a little bit conservative on it. Like, you know, you don't know how. How much time? Yeah. Like 5 rope climbs. I just said a minute, like you know what I mean? It's probably, it's probably might be a little bit more a minute, right, right. But I was conservative with with that stuff and he would have been 5th place. Between the clean ladder and the rope climbs.

Yeah, Velner and Hopper were tied for 4th. 5th and he would have been behind. And he potentially could have gotten first on the Chad. It would have been close. I left that as is because it's three points, right? But like 5th place rookie year, right? Yeah, Colton Merton's down there in 32nd. That's a you. I have Colton so low. Because he hasn't been at Rogue. So the, the issue is that they they count Rogue almost as much as or maybe as much as the

games, right? And so it almost creates a, a circular reference because you did in the past, you did well at the games. You got to go to Rogue, you get to accrue points if you didn't, if you got 16th at the games and you didn't make it through the queue, like you take a huge hit versus somebody that may have gotten an invite like Annie last year or even Tia last year, right?

Like Rogue gets to choose And so to some degree they've they've kind of created who's going to be in the top or at least has the opportunity to be in the top. Do you like this system where it's a rewarding people's past performance? Or do you like the old kind of method of generally speaking, the top 15 get an invite plus the five qualifiers? It gives us something to talk about. But generally I think I like the 15 and then I did not mind that they picked who they wanted.

And then I think the qualification process is, is still cool. I, I don't, I just don't. There's no scoring system like that that's going to work, especially if you involve Rogue, which of course they would involve their own event, but like, it just sets you so far behind so quickly if you don't go to their events, hints Sprague. So I, I did see they have notes like every time they make adjustments to because it is a

beta version. They do have, I don't know if I can pull it up down here, qualifying system they are looking at actually including adding events like Tierra Watapalooza. They started looking at that so. It's just like, I don't know why I, it's funny because it seems like my kind of thing that I would do and it's like I I think I would just scrap it like the games is is good enough.

It would actually be interesting to see if we like we did this year's games and then go off of that if it would, if it would bother us all that much. I don't think it would. Look at the top 15 from this year's games or top ten and then adding five like you could you know you'd add Laura Sure, Jeff, those types you. Basically have exactly who you wanted to add. Ria yeah. And then and then the five and the qualifier.

I mean, I'm, I agree with Tyler, like even though like it was very biased programming, you do the top ten, like you still get everybody. You pretty much catch everybody. And then you can invite whoever you want to invite and then the qualifier will get the rest. I I agree completely, yeah. Well, we're going to move on to keep 5, cut 5, and you guys get to decide who. Is a is invited to HQ employees? It is not. It is. That would have been a fun man. What are you saying, John?

I would have liked it. Like if you do, do we have 10 employees at HQI? Think I can come up with 10 employees? Just 10. You don't think that would be fun, Tyler? Which five you want to keep? Which five you want? Dude, let's do. That I don't know if it's that controversial though. I. Think you would just keep it at keep 5? Nope. Nope, I want to cut 5 too. We're going to look at the rogue invites and after the top ten who get automatically invited, it's now your guys's job to pick

the women and the men. So you'll have two different keep 5 cut 50. OK, Oh cool, we're going to vote. I like that. Who will you invite if you were? If we're a row. Katie, right. OK. So we'll just go down the list. You guys got to call it. I'll pick Amanda Barnhart. Oh, we're. Just gonna go down the list. You got to put him in the keeper cut. We can't. We can't just talk about it. No, no. We got a schedule to keep John. This is super serious show we're. Going to go to.

We're going to on the list of USA whether you want to keep her cut and then you can move people around if you get if. You. I like Amanda. Barber. I do too, but she hasn't done anything. She didn't even make the games this year. John so much. What have you done for me lately? I am she's. Rogue is a good event for Amanda, a lot more than Emma Carey. You're right. I don't know. That that was Pick a different name. It's rogue bro. Yeah, Emma. Carey's Emma. Carey did very well.

Emma Carey is fitter than Amanda. You. You could have said Hayley Adams. And I've been with your team. You picked you just picked the wrong first name. I'm fine. We can keep her you. You want to keep her? OK, let's keep her. We're keeping her. I just feel like she hasn't earned it. We're going to have to take a hit. Emma McQuaid. I think we keep her. We can't keep everybody, Tyler. I no, I'm not saying that she's an Irish. She's Irish. They're going to Scotland.

I don't like going. In order going in order is going to kill us right now. I because Tyler can't see past who your name is. OK, Like you don't dude. No, we need to skip. Emma. Well, you want to skip, OK. I want to skip him. Allowed to skip. OK, Emily, Rolf. She made the podium, bro, You're going to keep her a cutter? I think we keep her. I think you're not sure. I think we keep the next two names and then there's two more names that I. Think Hilly Adams.

Do no Hilly Adams. All right, she got fit that rogue. See, this is what I don't like about not talking about it because it's like I want to skip down that man and and Freyoba. Dude, Haley and Emma Carey will do so much more at Rogue than Manon and Karen Freova. It's proven that they would do more. Five put them on the list. Then we got to argue about one spot. Paige Simenza. Hi, my next spot is Emma Tall. So you're, you're cutting Paige. I'd put Paige ahead of Amanda Barnhart.

Quite frankly. I think Paige has earned it more than Amanda Barnhart has. Well, we can. We can take Amanda back off the list. I will put Paige Shimenza over Amanda Barnhart. Karen Freyova probably should be there, but she did quit. She was. One of those girls, yeah. Yeah, she she withdrew. So did. Well, I'm not considering that. I'm not considering. You're not going to, you're not going to not invite Laura. OK, Karen, Right. But Karen Freyova is a very,

very strong person. She's she's just as fit as Emma tall. Like they're different person. They're different people, but they always rank pretty close to each other and she's very strong. I think Karen Freyova and Emmett Tall are locks, but the problem is that Emily Rolfe podiumed and. Bethany Flores was top five. And Bethany Flores was fourth, right? So like, those two would be better for Rogue, but Emily Rolf and Bethany Flores just had the

games of their life. And you would have put Emma McQuaid on there. Why don't you just invite Mal O'Brien? Why don't we, man? Celebrity shout out I'm I'm doing it, Mal O'Brien. Here. OK, let's cut Emma Carry. Oh, is. That your is that your compromise? Yeah, yeah, yeah, hear me out, hear me out. And then don't, don't move it yet 'cause I need Tyler's. OK, Let's cut Emma Carry, let's cut Amanda Barnhart. And then we'll put Emma Tall and Karen Freyova in and we'll look at it.

Done. 'Cause I think the Europeans need the best Europeans out there and the women, Europeans are very good. The women on the European side, there's a lot of them and they deserve to be out there. They they earned being out there. Bethany Cutt. I think Paige, I think Paige's are she? Didn't do some of the workouts at Rogue. Paige was top 10. Paige Demenza. She was at the games, yeah. Top ten at the games I think and Paige is athletic.

Should that log the log jump one that Danny Spiegel we are all impressed with that Paige was second barely by her. I think Paige Demenza is the last keep and then we cut everybody else. I will leave it to you. I've said my piece. I just don't like it because Emma, I would, I would invite, OK. You have the final decision. It's fine. I've said my piece, you have the final decision it. Will do what John says, but I want this noted. Emma should get the invite because she's nearing the end of

her career. She's in Ireland, which is not very far from Scotland. She's going to draw people over to Scotland and I think that she'll you'll have a ton of storytelling parts for that, but we'll go with John. Adrian will be very happy about this. Yeah, you'll. Have a ton of storytelling parts. I am shocked that you guys don't have Bethany Flores in there. Me too, me too, man. But like you can't not do half the workouts and that's what she did. That's what she did at Rogue.

I don't care. I don't care about the. Games so she never can. She got out there and did 155 and acted like she couldn't clean it fast and then tried to hype up the crowd when she was in last place doing singles on 155. So you're out at that point I. Don't. I don't care. I don't care. No, no. That ruined Bethany Flores for me. I'm OK with this list. I'm I'm a little surprised that Karen Fryova. She's the European Amanda Barnhart. Agreed SO. You're just going to pick European athletes.

I think if rogue. You can't go to Scotland and not have European athletes. I think it Rogue. OK, Hey, hey. I think if Rogue was in Texas, I'll I'll rock with Amanda Barnhart, but if it's in Scotland, I'm going to say Karen Fryova. I really do. I I think that is a good comparison. Honestly. Karen Fryova's fitter than Amanda Barnhart, but they have similar body types. Like I like that comparison.

Q Hiller Bit. I don't know it nothing Johnny 499. Off topic but question for JY who has a better chance to make the games again between Sarah Sigmund's daughter and Rebecca Fusolet. Rebecca. I'm going to say Rebecca Fusole. I I don't, I think this is an offensive question. I think Sarah's done. I think the sport has passed Sarah up. I'm sorry. I love Sarah. I wish that was not the case, but I think that is the case. I don't think they the sport is either is even passed something up.

I think Sarah has not accepted that she is passed the sport up. You mean you don't think Sarah's? He doesn't want to. She's not in has. Passed her board. No, she's not invested anymore, but she's not accepted it. OK, so she's like half in, half out. Yes. And I think, I think Sarah actually could do well if she could get that together, but I don't think she ever will. Yeah, put her in the legends. Put Sarah in the legends.

Sarah reminds me if you go way back to Miko Salo right like Mika was great at the ranch then he had kind of the the eardrum issue in the ocean and he just never did the sport. The sport accelerated so fast in 2010 11/12 he. Couldn't hang. He couldn't like his He always did the pull ups. He didn't do the butterfly pull ups. He was like the modified butterfly kipping pull up. Yeah, he was too slow. He. Never stopped working, even though, like he was he was sponsored by Rogue.

Like he was one of the athletes that maybe could have figured it out. But he he stayed tied to his job. And it's like, yeah, yeah. Unfortunate that happens from time to time. Well, there you go. Emma Tall, Emily Rolf, Hayley Adams, Karen Freyova, Paige Samenza, and then you're going to leave at home Amanda Barnhart, which I think she'd be fine with. Emma Carey. Which I think she'd be fine with. I don't. I mean, yeah, you know, she didn't qualify for the games. She's amazing.

Herself if we tell her she's not going. Neither the man in anganese. Manon will just qualify through the qualifier again. She will. She's qualified every year from the. Qualifier the last two years like she's the only one that has qualified twice. Yeah, we can cut her. She's going to get, she's going to qualify another way. It's. Fine. Emma McQuaid, you guys are heartless. And Bethany Flores, I'm not. I think she should be in there. But you guys? Or punishing her for a previous

sins. You can't. You can't go to a competition and just be like, yeah, I'm not going to do. It you've been banned for 24. Months and take the weights off of the squat rack so you can squat 135. Yeah, yeah, you can't do that, man. You've ruined the competition for everybody that's there watching. What are you doing? What are you doing? I can't do it. Well, Danielle had to sit there and and stare at the heavy barbell and. The back squat? That's due to inability.

Yeah, she tried. I I watched her fail three times and then she's like, I can't do it. I'm like, you're right. You. Can't. Do it. Nothing. Just knew earlier. She just knew earlier. She didn't have to try. She knew she couldn't work. Out I can't. You get. You get one of those, you don't get like 3. Even the last workout was just a desert tried to hype the. Crowd up, I'm supposed.

To be one of the fittest women in the world and Tyler Watkins can beat me in this workout because I can't clean and jerk 155. Did she do the deadlift ladder? I don't know. I don't know if she did. I don't know if she did a deadlift. I think she may have bailed out. Half of the competition I just, I just. You're out the next year no matter what. I just don't. Care. I'm sorry, I don't care. How penalty box? I just don't care like next time do all do it and like and I'll do it.

My my tune will change my tune will change so hard. You got. To fail, Daniel. The plan and. Tried and failed. There's no problem with that. I got no problem with that, right? Bethany Flores didn't try. And whether you say my back was hurt, I'm not going to try and risk injury. Then don't do the competition. All right, men. OK. Taylor Smith on We keep him. We're missing a name. There's. Probably plenty of names on. He's he's 27th. If you want to go ahead and add

him real quick, you reach. Way down into the bottom there. He would be. He would beat everybody on this list. I'm telling you right now, everybody on this list, you would. Be I think they made some. I think they made some updates because James is now 25th but. It's it's. Outdated. I think Chandler and Sprague, yeah, I think we put Chandler and Sprague in the key. I think you just Chandler has proven himself over the years at Rogue. This is going to get hard.

OK, here's OK, hear me out in this I OK, I'm looking at Fukowski and Yella, same guy. One's Canadian, one's European, and one is fitter and one is. Fitter how are they the same at? All and one is fitter than the other. I think you put Brent over yellow. Yellow is too weak for me to invite. Oh, yellow. Although but what did he do at Rogue last year? Wasn't he OK at Rogue last? Year or was he trash? Let's see, last year. If you have to pick one of them, you pick Brent.

He he was on the podium, yeah. You can't. Anybody's on the podium. You have. To fight, they took the leaderboard down. He always won the gates. No, no, no, it's up there. It's it's I'll, I'll find it. I'll effort it. Do you want to put Brent there? And then I kind of. Think do we? Want to give that spot. We're going to put Brent on, but I reserved the right to pull him back off. Brent last year finished fourth.

Remember he he screwed up the last event and got passed by Roman and Yela. Hosta took 11th. Yeah, I think of your Brent Quant Koski. I think that's who you invite. You're not even going to hear out. Travis Mayer Travis Mayer was six last year at the at the Invitational. Or corn. Roy. Why? Why not invite him? Dude, this is he can't. Do a competition either he's just best Bethany, what are you talking about? He's going to get sick, He'll be, he'll eat some.

I, I think, I think Brent was on the podium. You can't not invite him. I he's like the same boat as Spray, not as. OK. Move Brent over that's. Fine, I think Quant has proven himself. Quant was 6th place at the games. He's going to have home runs at Rogue, he always does. I'm not saying he will place high at Rogue, but he's going to have really good events and then maybe not so good events. And then Koski's the fittest European. I think those are your five.

Like the only argument that I think you have is Saxon and Saxon's not. I just don't think Saxon's going to be good at Rogue 'cause he's little and he doesn't have good power output. No, he didn't do very well at. Like workouts like Firestorm, go look at go look at Pat Panchik's score. Any workout where it's like a Sprint like that, go look at the Panchik's. They're terrible power output is not their friend.

And rogue will always have a couple events like that and then like Panchik will do really, really good on the one GHD ski combo that they put out and then that's it and that's it, right? Quant, I think has. He's earned it. I think he's proven himself. Koski is the fittest European in all of Europe, even though he didn't make the games he is. I would put Koski as the fittest guy in Europe. So you say both in agreement Cole is cut? Cole's out. Yellow's cut.

Corn Wyatt can't do a can't do a competition without without. Getting sick? Regrettably, I think Travis is out, even though it it would be a decent competition for him. I think at this point I would rather see Sam at the competition and if we're cutting Sam, we need to cut Travis and then Panchex. Out. I'm interested why you're so high on cornway. 'Cause he's he could be so good. We save this every year.

By hand snatch 300 lbs and I know you're going to say, well, that's not that impressive, Tyler. It is that it is impressive and it shows that like, I mean like when Rich dips out and it's like you got this match like and that was years ago. Yeah. Sam's definitely better than he was then. He I think he man, just keep him out of Kroger for away from the listeria and let's look. At his 5K time, let's go by 5K

time. So go to go to last year's games, last year's games and we'll go by 5K time and that's who we'll put in. I I don't know who did what, but let's just do that. Who? Between who? All these guys. Well, Saxon wasn't there. Well, that's out on him, I think. Saxon's out anyway. I agree with John and I don't think he's done well at Rogue in the past. I'm. Going to tell you something Tyler Samuel Cormier was second to. Last, he didn't do well. He was. He was running with Bron.

Bron was doing his best man. He tried as hard as anyone. Yeah. All right. Going down the list, This is right. Well, Sam Cormier Quant 11th Travis wasn't there. Travis was not there. He was nursing a. And there's Koski. Man, I just lucked out on that. I guess that was. Heinrich beat Koski in a 5K. Yeah, yeah, he did go down and find Kowai. That's like a. Did he even? And I would be losing to. 1/4 mile he held off Bronislaw. Sprinted. Barely. Yeah. Held him off 1316 seconds.

Great kick at the end. Kwan Kowski. I hope Travis isn't watching or his parents. Parents are great people. Have you lost faith in Travis after this games? Are you off of them? Yeah, I it really is. But he gets six. He gets 6 at the Invitational. Two years ago, he got 6. You could have held up an argument here, Tyler. I would have heard you out. The way the wave is over. Like Chandler Smith, great performances at Travis. Did better at last year's Invitational than Chandler I.

He's like Noah to you now. He's just, I mean. I I would trade him for Quant, but I think Quant's going to do better. Maybe not. I guess you're. So. Wishy washy. It's it's just people were making fun of me for sitting on both sides of the fences. I even sit on the both sides of the fences myself. I just I see the inner confliction and. Yeah, Quant was even there last. To me, you could trade either of them out, it doesn't really matter. Mayor or quant? I I agree, I agree with you.

I think they're very similar athletes and and Quant just did a lot better at the Games. Travis would probably bring a better show he has moments in like when he does have there are events where. He'll he'll send you. I agree with that. You're out, Tyler. OK, I can't argue too much. Would you replace any of these guys with Colton or Austin? Yes, I would send both of those guys. Over who? Over who? Quan Koski. You can't. You can't trade Koski Koski's

off limits. OK, OK. I I would take both of those guys over Quan and Brent. Here's the thing, though. Colton and Austin don't play well in the European market. They're American, and they're like they will after this. They're American Americans, and like the the Europeans don't get it. They are Americans. I get it. They're they're Midwest Americans. Like I, I get what you're saying. They're yeah. We like them because they're us. Yeah. The Europeans are like I we

don't even like America halfway. That's why I want to send them. I want invasion, I want to send our best and I want to invade Europe. Said send our troll, our hobbits over. Yeah, I mean, Chandler, Chandler fits that mold a little bit too. Like, let's be honest, like. Yeah, a little bit. So there you go, Richard Margarine replaced Brent with Colton. No. I'm yeah, I said. Brent and Quan, I replace them both. There you go. There you go. Let's see. All right, well, I think it's

time for some PFAA. All this before we I open up the the call in. I did want to draw some attention to some stuff on threads. Is it just me or the did this week? Everybody's like, I guess we're going to do threads now. Yeah, it was weird. Let me see if I can't find. It it's like threads could get no traction and I swear this week I've gotten like 18 notifications that's. Like dude. You know, so and so on.

Threads. If somebody posts a thread, I'm not looking at. It you're not going to look at it, no. What if it was from Christophe Orbath 2 hours ago? Means nothing to me. First one, actions speak louder than words. We stood up not because we've seen an opportunity. I think you're talking to Tyler. Directly to Tyler. He made this for Tyler. But because we wanted to mourn a friend, it'd. Be wild if that's true. Did you say they were doing this for an opportunity to be seen?

I said that they were taking advantage of an opportunity that exists, but it wasn't necessarily their intent. This might be at you there, man. Like that? That's pretty word for word. OK so this doesn't happen and you do the same thing. Fuck off. What do you? Mean. Like they they weren't this gung ho about it before. If it was this important, you would have done this before. Yeah, I'm not against you. I I'm just saying this might be directed to you. That's what I'm saying.

But I'm it's the royal fuck off, everybody fuck off, not John, OK? So I feel like you're mad at me, you know, I. Don't know, no. So yeah, they wanted to do this because they wanted to mourn for a friend and a fellow competitor and because our group, I'm not sure who the group is, but their group believes that they're directly responsible for his death. So they're is directly responsible for his death and there and there. I guess Crossfit's response.

To it was inhumane and was driven by in quote, values of a corporation whose Basic Instinct is survival and profit. I'm trying to see this from his point of view. I, I I. Can totally see this from his point of view now. When you say directly. Responsible for his death I. Have a hard time with that? Taylor and I got into this. Because I mean even Travis.

Travis is like, really, really no. That's the only thing he cares about is finding who's responsible for it, like the death, and then like firing that person. Or or, you know, somebody has to be. Responsible he's very on that and I just I had a vision of Travis from. What's that movie where taken but Travis is like? I have no skills and but I will find you. I don't know how. I don't know how I will. Well, I will. But I but it's going to but it's

going to happen. Like directly responsible. You're basically saying they killed him and. I. Disagree with that? I don't think they did a good job. Saving him. That's a fair way to. Say it. I think those are two. Different things I pushed. On Taylor about this. Because he was like and before I say this, find you. This was just. After the event, I'm sure Taylor's opinion is morphed or or refined itself, but he was like, I don't know that it's anybody's fault.

We were working through this at the house and I was like, Taylor, somebody died and it's nobody's fault that doesn't. Make sense to me? Why? I mean mostly because I've seen the video where he struggles for. Over a minute, yeah. No, I think it's a multitude of people. I think it, I think it's, I think there could be higher. Safety like. More, way more safety things in place, way more lifeguards. I think if the two lifeguards were actual lifeguards and water safety people, that would have

helped. I think if you don't turn away the guy trying to save him, like, like there's, there's, I think so many people are responsible and ultimately that's going to land on the person who's the head of the operation, which is Dave. Right or. Unless there's a chief safety officer out there and he's responsible for the safety, but like saying CrossFit is directly

responsible. I think a multitude of things happened and it was kind of a freak thing that happened and then the efforts to save him weren't there. That's not. That's not. CrossFit killed. Him that's that's not. I don't agree with that. I'm not, but I don't think I. Don't know that. That's what he's saying. Even with, That's what it sounds like to me, not. It's not what it sounds like to. Me. You're still saying there's group culpability in your in your own? Explanation.

I think you. Have laid out a case for group culpability. They are. They had the. Chance or they had the opportunity to succeed in responding and they did not they the only thing I will say. Yes, we did see him what appeared to be struggling now we also saw him 100. Meters in doing. Breaststroke, Breaststroke and bobbing up and down and. Then turning over. And whatever, we don't know any autopsy results, it's not been

published. Now, Luca was in comments last night saying that he didn't have a heart, heart condition, etcetera. But again, I'm not. Ready to say that? It has to be somebody. 'S fault again. The autopsy could come back and say that he had a heart attack and like they could have gotten to him and it wouldn't have mattered. Like I want to withhold. And wait for that. I and I I'm not passing judgement and. Saying anybody is responsible either.

I'm just making the case that you could make that case and I'm OK and I'm fine. With them making that case and like I'm gonna use their group I and that's that's what I'm doing. I'm putting myself. In Kristoff's shoes, and if you if that's how. You believe and that's fine and you like are boycotting all CrossFit events like that's that's your right, that's your fine. You know you're fine like you go

do that right. I don't think that means that you're like, you should chastise everybody that's not on the same train. And I do think that's happening and I don't think those things go hand in. Hand. I think you go do that and then you don't put four thread pieces out that everybody is a terrible person that because they're not standing against CrossFit the way we are. Did he do that? There's there's another one I'll. Get to it here in a second. There's just, there's a lot of

things like that. I'm not. Speaking just of Kris Kristoff. But there's a lot of things that are like that, and I wholeheartedly disagree about that. The dysregulated and. Hormonally imbalance SEMA also notice seema boobs and also known as going through some stuff. Aren't you? Do you know if anyone has? Done an open records request for the emergency action plan. I think that would require it to be run by the city, right? If CrossFit is. Responsible for.

Everything. That goes on for the special event. Which I believe it is. CrossFit was the one that was in charge and taking on all the risk, all the risk of this. I don't think you get that from a open records request. I'm. Sure, somebody has. Tried to get something but I don't think that. Would include it. Could be wrong, but I do think they're going to wait for

whatever. Investigation to be done and for all those things to be published and known before any type of action happens within HQ, whether that's Castro or Don or the media team or anybody. I think, I think, I think we have to wait for that before anything happens. Don't we also have this PDF? The. PDF that I have. Says that CrossFit. Was responsible if seema. If you have something different, message me. I love this. She's like you. Guys suck.

I'm just doing it no for it. Thank you Seema. We're a small team over here. So and then of course. Kristof. Follows that up shortly after to sacrifice. For the greater good. Was then and there. I assume that's on Thursday. One of the greatest lessons. I've learned is that acting out of fear will move the masses into the direction of its creator, and human greed is more powerful. Than I've. Ever imagined? I am not against chain against of.

Change and the group that's trying to take steps towards it, but I'm conflicted. Within mostly because my. Trust is lost in most of my peers. This is what I'm talking about, Tyler. I. It seemed. It reads to me like he's talking. About everyone on both sides. I I disagree. I think he's talking about and everybody that's. Not a part of the group that was mainly against doing the games, but I. Don't understand like I am not

against. Change in the group that's trying to take steps towards it. Is that the PFAA? Yeah, that's what I think he's talking about. Is like. Hey, that's why I think he's on both sides of this equation. Is he mad? Because the. PFAA, Brent and Pat continued competing, yet are. Asking for change. No, no, I think. They're separate I. Think he's on? The side of PFAA and then everybody who's not on that side, he's lost trust in those peers, but he's saying he's conflicted with that group

because he's. Lost trust in his peers like, well, the peers could be. I don't think he's talking about the. People that are trying to make. The changes in the group, I think those are two separate, but why is he conflicted then? Like he's conflicted about continuing. CrossFit. Like CrossFit in general. So he doesn't care if it changes. He just wants to walk away. He's he's he's OK with. Changes happening.

He's OK with trying to change it to make it better, but like it's like that versus burning it down. What I'm saying not against change wants to. Burn it down, but not against change in. The group that's trying to take steps towards. It AKA the PFAA but I am conflicted mostly because of my My trust is lost in most of my peers and his peers are CrossFit athletes but he's. Why would you say that first

half of the sentence? If you weren't talking about the PFAA, I don't think he's talking about just the PFAAI think. He's fine with the. PFAA and then everybody that competed, he's lost his trust in those people, which includes people in the PFAA. Which we don't even know who's in the PFAA other than the. We know who's not the PFAA. Rich ferning we. Need to have Gabby on the. Podcast. Ring her up. Why don't you reach your? Yeah, Gabby, if you're. Watching. Call in here in a second.

You got my number. Just go ahead. Let's go ahead and do it. And then he. Ends in a very primitive way. I think it is truer than ever. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Try me. I'm going to eat the mess out of this. Cake bro, I'm I'm going. To. Eat this. You going to respond? You going to reply, you want to respond. I was trying to see what the on. Behalf of the Barbell Spin. Just put the group JY, Tyler and I, Mr. Piperon, have hereby. Y'all y'all do the next part I I

did the intro. I'd rather talk to somebody on the phone. Three comments. So you're happy, so happy you're speaking out. So much respect for your parents that raised two beautiful humans with a platform. Is that like? Facetiousness or like I think it's, I think it's this is never. Facetious. OK. And then after watching your friend. Lose their life the.

Negligence of the sport. It blows my mind that anyone could suggest that your choice to withdraw from the Games was born out of some opportunistic desire that's. All you No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I can't believe. You'd say something like that bro? That's that's I. I was telling Genette this is worse than your Nazi ties. Honestly. Don't make jokes. Don't make jokes, I was telling Jeanette. About this.

You know, it's like I I gave. Brent, kind of a. Pretty rough time yesterday I think upon further examination of the evidence, I think what Brent did, yes the PFAA did yesterday was pretty weak. Damn move. I don't know who assisted him in that, but I would. Have told him like hey you need more. Before you move forward, he brought he brought a plastic spoon to a gunfight. Like what are you doing bro? You need you need the report saying that that was.

Preventable. But I don't I, I don't even think he needs that. He needs more. Athletes to be backing him and they need to be willing to pull out there. He has no threat. He basically said fire Dave or what? You've lost our trust, Yeah. Well, we didn't have your trust, so it doesn't matter. Laura. Put her money where her mouth is. She gave up 100. 1000. Something dollars. So she gave up $60,000. Is it 60 for second? She ain't. Getting 2nd.

That's my point, Tyler. Well, she'd have been. 5th place at. This games the same in normal. Games. Let's pretend that she thought she was going to get second. No, I'm sorry. I'll go. Ahead, go ahead I'm. I'm messing you up. Go. She she pulled out. She like didn't. She just gave that money up. She put her money right where her mouth is and that's respectable to me. That that's why I think what I agree with her or not, That's

why. I think Christophe is mad at those who continue to compete who are now part of the PFA or are part of the PFA trying to ask for change. Right. They didn't. They did not withdraw. Oh, having your cake and eating it too. Right, they they competed, they they made the. Money you got your paycheck, but now we're. Gonna fight. For it, you guys should have stood on your values and. Done this right away. I think that's where he's going. Gabby. Voted on the pole.

I did not see her. No extra. Sloppy Esquire. TS said it best. If it were me, I'd want my peers to compete. I don't know how he can take a moral high ground against that perspective. I agree completely. Taylor Smith he's talking about. Brent throwing the games. Brent didn't throw the games. Tyler's an expert at knowing. When people throwing, he didn't quit. No, he. He. Gave it at all? Blew the. Freak up his way he. He. He. Lost in the most respectable

manner. He gave it everything he had. The phone line is open. If you want to. Weigh in on Mr. Horvath, anything on the PFAA if. Tell us your thoughts. Who is if? Mark wants to call. He's, well, Mark. He was very, very adamant about opening the phone lines yesterday. He probably unfollowed us last night. I was like, you know what? These guys aren't taking my hands. Caller welcome. To the spin, Spin, yeah. Buddy, what's happening? This is Colton. Hey. I want to.

Add a English teacher's perspective. To the PFA's request, because this is the only insight professionally I can bring to the conversation. We know how to read back in my. Back. In my high school teacher days. We did five paragraph essays. You start with an introduction and your thesis to three points. The PFFA has that, but they didn't. Explain their thoughts. And that's where their big issue. Is and that's where you can see. It they clearly have an audience.

The audience has CrossFit. They have their demands, but they don't. Explain their thoughts. I know Tyler has an issue with John Singleton from last year and his math not math and on the lane 6 slow runner so when he had he. Posted a. Video, he explained his thought. Process, he said. Here's what I would like done. Here's my math. CrossFit can then go, hey, we see your argument. We may disagree with it, but here's some changes we can make.

And they said we'll calibrate machine agree or disagree. They made an action step on it. It allowed CrossFit to check the numbers, run their own numbers, allowed Tyler, other people with actual degrees in math to say, you know what, actually that's statistically significant. But it was a starting point because you had a conversation, you showed your work. The PSA here. Doesn't show their work. And unfortunately, that doesn't start a conversation.

And I think it would have been really useful if they would just had a vlog, 12 minutes, 4 minutes per point, explaining how their thought process came about and why they want what they want, then CrossFit and then act on it. And it has a secondary benefit that athletes that maybe aren't involved will go. You know what, that's a reasonable thought process. I want to join in I, I.

I actually really like what? With what you're saying, I didn't have a a problem with John Singleton, just that his math was wrong. But I I like John, I do all my math in my head. So what? That's what. I want to say is that. I I thought I had a similar thought today and that I thought Brent should have talked to the camera. Brent is a compelling person and he is a really great speaker. He there's something wrong with. This where he's.

Like I need to be official, this needs to be laid out on A and it just got all got lost in translation. But this dude can move groups. I've seen him do it. He's always compelling at the games and he didn't. Talk to the. Camera. It would have made such a difference and this is not me disagreeing or agreeing with this. 'Cause it's just like. This is a presentation thing. Yeah, I think that the. I think Brent and the. PFAA went, I mean they had they put out an official press

release. It's now on their website. It's basically this plus some quotes from Brent and I don't know, a couple letters. I think. Their thought was the Men's Health article and the Morning Chalk Up article were there. Why? Right. Like, each of those added a little bit more context into it. The problem is nobody reads Men's Health or Morning Chalk up and so, well, you just don't. There's that aspect, but tone. Doesn't come across. Very well. Written.

You have to be an extremely skilled writer to get tone and emotion to come across in a written format. You have to be really careful with your words. When you do it in person, that tone, that emotion comes across really well. And Brent is very good at that. I mean, his TTT podcast will professionalize in sport. You see his passion, you see his thought process and he comes across very well. He does so.

Well, in camera that not doing that really dismissed diminished the message because it wasn't as strong and wasn't as far as it could have been. You're you're 100% that podcast. Is actually a great example of what I'm talking about. I wonder what went into the thought. Process of releasing. It today, like I, I, they're 100% had to be like a thought process, like we have to get this out. Like this is the day we're doing this. There had to be thoughts and

planned out. I I'm curious at what the thinking was there 'cause I'm with Tyler like you, just you don't have enough people behind you that want the same. Thing to make. This happen when when I see it, it looks. I would agree with you and normally with Brent I would think it was more thought out but this reads emotional to me. It it seemed like but if. It reads emotional, but it doesn't. Have emotion it doesn't have the fact, no. I don't. I'm not saying the the.

Emotion of this the emotion of the words does not read. Emotional it is the content of it reads as if it was rushed and it was not as well thought out, AKA it was emotionally driven. That's what I'm saying. I'm reading. I'm reading between lines so to speak. C plus demand paper and I think. But think of the next. Steps that could have been so effective. You could have had Brent, Pat, Victoria, Royce on the spin. You could have had them on the Mayhem podcast with Royce and

the Mayhem affiliation. There would have been 6-7 podcasts where they could have each gotten across their message to their different demographics locally and united the athletes in those regions to rally behind the call. Yep, and that's what they should have done. I I. Thought that this needs to be like a. It treated like a discussion and and treated a little differently or or rated as such. Yeah. Thank you. Caller appreciate it. No, I have. I've actually reached out. I've reached out.

That was that was a really thought out. Caller, I'm not used to we have we have some classy, classy. Listeners, come on. In Hey, hang on one second caller. Taylor's the next. Caller, make sure you guys. Are idiots. Yeah, yeah. Make sure you turn down. Your the. The the. The show, but I actually have. I've reached out to Brent. I reached out to him late this afternoon to see if there's any

chance he could join. Unfortunately schedules did not work, but he's always welcome anybody from the PFA. Is always welcome if they. Want to join? They can always call in if they want to. But yeah, if Brent wants to join, Pat, whoever wants to explain. You're welcome, caller. Go ahead. Yeah, this is Mark. There he is there. He is. What's up Mark? So the point I was trying to get

across. Yesterday that seems to be lost on most parties and somewhat surprising that Brent hasn't thought this through is the PFAA is essentially a club right now. They haven't actually established themselves as any sort of official association. You can't just name an association, get 40 athletes to sign up, but not all competing athletes to sign up and have it actually mean something and come to the table and collectively bargain and agree.

Now the opportunity presented itself, obviously with Lazar's death, but that's where their leverage was. They could finally get more people to sign up, then come to CrossFit and say we're officially have their lawyers come to CrossFit and say we're establishing Professional Fitness Athletes Association. And then you're able to bargain and collectively bargain for your demands. And it seems like there was a rush to get their feelings out.

And now the opportunity is lost because you're not going to be able to retroactively go back. You're going to have people that are going to pull back from the PSFA that don't agree with sort of how they're going about things. And your opportunity for unity is lost. And that was sort of the point that I feel like it's getting lost yesterday, yeah. No, I get it. I think the hard part with. This is you have a very. Every year. Anybody new can come into this

right? There's however, 300,000 people to the open. Where, where do you draw the line on professional right because. You know, somebody could come in that you've never heard of next year, not be part of this PFAA. You can't limit them from competing, no, but you limit to you. Limit to essentially. A sign up at semi finals, same way they get drug tested at semi finals, the same way NFL draftees and players that come into camp. So NFL draftees, there's 272 of them.

One of the first meetings they have after draft weekend with the NFL Players Association and they sign and they pay their dues. Then they're able to sign their contracts with teams. Same thing with unrestricted free agents and training fans. I have a little bit of knowledge and experience with this. And so you get all the play, all the athletes at semi finals, they have to sign up to be part of the professional fitness association. Only then can they compete in semi finals.

Now that is where you're probably going to have a harder time to do, but that's where these athletes associations come in. Can you compare it to a sport like golf and tennis and you don't have athletes association? And the reason you don't have those because they're their individual athletes and essentially the top players in those sports will never let an athletes association because they're earning all the money they're getting there.

They don't want to share sort of bottom down and have it slow bottom down. And thus you have situations like you have with golf right now. Why is golf so screwed up right now? Well, partially because those athletes don't actually have an association. So they're all on different pages now. About 20 years ago when golf was on their move, they established sort of the PGA board and they got player representatives on those. But they're still having issues with that, with the competition,

with live. And I think that's where the PFPFAAA is in right now is they're never going to be able to get by and from all the athletes and without buying in from all the athletes will never be able to approach CrossFit as an equal entity and thus Cross, it's going to laugh at them in most. Situations, now this.

Situation provided like I said the opportunity for them to have probably the most leverage that they're ever going to have and I think they just botched it yeah, I mean I think they. Do definitely have to have. A united voice, if it's going to do anything. I don't think they have that at this point. And they CrossFit would have to almost they'd have to allow that, right? Like CrossFit doesn't have to do this.

They could say, well, if you don't want to compete playing our rules, you don't have to compete. And is fractured as everybody is in this. It's the next 40 men and 40 women up whether you compete or not, right? Like if Kristoff doesn't want to compete again, well, the next team is up. If Laura doesn't compete again, the next woman is up. And you know, they don't, if CrossFit allows it, they're going to basically give up all their power to the PFA.

And that's, that's what CrossFit has to make a decision on. I I don't think there's a decision to be made. You don't. Give in to their demands. Even if you agree with them, you don't give in to them because essentially you're giving them power without them bringing anything to the table. If you feel that way, terrorists. Unless CrossFit. Thinks the most important. Thing is to have guys like Brent and Pat and whatnot at the game so that the competitive field is

the top people. But of course it's like, OK, we're willing to throw an event and have the CrossFit Games with maybe five of the top 4010 of the Top 40 not there. And it's still, it's not even profitable now. So it probably. Wouldn't be profitable. Then, but it doesn't bother them. Then they have no reason to get into the domain. You don't have to. You're right there. Is no leverage leverage? I'm I'm kind of on spin. Side let them go if they. Want to go?

Yeah, I mean, I always. Let them go better. Statement. Part of it. Is is. Obviously, they feel like Lazar's death CrossFit had a hand in. I can totally see that. We'll wait for the report. But aside from that, the opportunity presented itself for them to gain some leverage. And like I would have gotten if I was Brent in the PSFAI would have gotten home, I would have

sat down with lawyers. I would ironed out how we want to approach this over the next one month, two months, three months, maybe even gone into the next season. Private meetings. You don't need to go public with something like this. This seems like a very high

schoolish move. And it seems like he was trying to not only appeal the feelings of people who were at the games, probably in the back, but like immediate reactions that he was seeing on Instagram and whatnot and just handled it all completely wrong, which is somewhat surprising for somebody who's more thought out like Brett. Well, and that's I do. I step back every. Time because it's easy to to villainize Brent and and these athletes, but it's like they they're legitimately just upset

that a guy died. And I think they would say, well, we shouldn't need leverage. We're just asking for safety protocols. We're asking for this and that. But that whole equation changes the moment you ask for Dave to be fired. Yeah, that would. That mean then it becomes a serious ask, yeah. Serious. Ask well. Yeah, then you. You establish like I was I. Started reading it, I was like, OK, this makes sense. Everybody's hung up on the word

liaise, but I get that. It's like they won't be involved in the safety change. And then you got to #3 And it's just one sentence. We want Dave removed. It's like, OK, this is just an emotional response. He ought to not think this through. He didn't, definitely didn't discuss it through lawyers. Why you have lawyers for negotiation. None of them are lawyers. The lawyers remove the emotion.

They use the logic. They look at the money, They look at what makes the most sense, and they look at where the leverage is and how to gain more leverage. You enter into negotiation. For stuff like. This you don't make demands, you can make them in later on. That's what you negotiate, but you have to come from a point of having something. So like if I was advising them, I'm not a lawyer, but if I was advising them, I will first thing I would have done would be, OK, let's increase our

enrollment in the GSFA. That was the opportunity instead of. Showing CrossFit we have. 4150 signatures. Let's show them we have 350 signatures including every semi final athlete from the last two years. Now you got some power. Yep, Yep, completely agree with you. Thank you, Mark. I wasn't laughing at you, Mark Sima. Thanks for calling in, man. Sima just subscribed and it's a little bit offensive. That's OK. Yeah, Sima. Better late. Than never we love. Sima. Thanks Sima.

Catching up on some chats. Real quick. We'll get through those PJ birds 25 minutes behind the video. I think it's been 25. Minutes since. PJ has put the comment in. Sarah Sigmund Spotter is getting her body right this year. Top ten finish. John Hope so. In her camp. Which camp is that? What's? That good floor. Dose DVD. D Reed. Feels like Brent is lining up his work after CrossFit as the PFAA head. Unfortunately for him, that will mean accountability.

Where were the PFA concerns for events this year? I I I started this one. I don't think he is lying. I don't think he wants to do this. I don't. I don't think he he he's half hearted about the PFA even. Though he. You think so? It is his baby. He's. Not going full he's. Not jumping ship into it. Oh, I think he is man. I think he is. I just I think you're. Wrong. I think. He's doing this apprehensively, I don't think. What makes you think that? That the fucking.

Construction of that. Demand letter yesterday number one. But also like, this is not going to be fun. It's not going like there's. Going to be a lot of freaking. I think he also would have already done it if it were, if it were a path that he wanted to pursue. I think he's been trying. I don't. Know if they had. He has the support to do anything fair, right? Like. He create.

This you ask for support. And then you go to have a speech like we talked about yesterday, and they all stare at him and look bored. And you obviously have plenty of athletes who are on the opposite side of what you've said. And so it diminishes what he's trying to do. I think he's all in. I think the question is he's all in while he's competing, right? When they retire, do you stay all in and continue? That fight?

That's a that's we'll know exactly how strongly he feels about it and we don't know when that will be, Dustin said. Brenton has said that before. Said what? That he doesn't care. Again, with the programming, I think all the young. Accounts need to start a. Podcast governing the body. You got what, Fat John or Big John Young? Black John Young. White, John. Young, John. Young. Young, Jay. Duan Jung. I think there's another. One there's there's another one in there.

John Young stuttering. John Young yelling John Young's waffles. That's just that's just an. Account. Yeah. Well, we'll just call it the the board, the board, the JY. Board. JY Board. MLK 5240. Does the PFA and CrossFit HQ no more than what has been released publicly? I think to some degree they have to know. More than us. To what extent I have no idea. That's why we don't know. Jay Sheets more like PFK gay I think. Jay is. Actually, Bryson. Would make sense that to his.

His oiling up. Comments he he always makes. That would be a turn of events, Larry. Young if CrossFit doesn't recognize the PFAA. They don't exist. In reality, CrossFit doesn't recognize us. Does that mean we. Don't exist. That's. 100% true, yes. If I recognize something that's not real, does. That mean it exists if two people see you. Chemtrails. Yeah. Exactly. I think that's it. Any news? On the the JY. Barbell front there, John. Yeah.

No, I want to give. Andrew White a shout out he is during in Max out season. He's a old college friend and lives in Missouri. He just PR D his front squat by 40 lbs it was 275. Now it's 3/15. He just PR is what else? His snatch? By 30. Pounds, I don't know, he's PR and everything by a lot. He never wore knee sleeves. I mean, knee sleeves are helping him out a little bit, but but he just. Finished his. Program. So yeah, he's probably the JY Barbell Member of the Week. There you go.

I feel like we should do that. I'll give out a JY. Barbell. Member of the Week, Yeah, yes. Yeah, I have. Guys as well. There's way more girls than guys, but there are guys that do it, Yes, absolutely. They've seen the way Daniel Arntz and kind of. He comments sometimes and he's. He's I saw he, I saw he, he posted. Something or he shared it hit a big lift. Natalie 499, thank you. Basically wonder if the PFAA becomes an overseeing party for the games, will they also demand

to be paid employees? I think that's where the liaise comes in. Yeah, the liaise. That's where I don't I. I see it not. Happening right, like I, I don't see CrossFit saying come on in, work with like you're part of us now. We cut costs and we, we, we, it cost us probably a life. But we'll pay you guys. I think that's, I think it's what the PFAA. Wants, right is to be the overseeing party, right? Like making all the decisions from that. Do you want to take another call? Yeah.

All right, we'll do one more. All right, caller, welcome to the Spin. Hey, Spin. Hey guys, it's. Vicki, I calling in because AI completely agree with Tyler and all of you that the PFAA post was definitely came off emotional response and part of that is based off of their demands.

Because if you sit and think about the PFAA demanding to, I'm trying not to laugh, liaise with the, the team in charge of safety, then I don't think that they're realizing the, the legality that they're opening up themselves to, right? They automatically pull in liability to themselves. So anyway, it was just a point that came up in my head earlier and I said oh, so thanks. No, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I. I had an. Idea what she was talking. You weren't listening to her.

No, I was. Travis. Vindicate. I need a shirt in the style of a games volunteer. You know how they have like the scoring ones, but I needed to say PFAA liaise on the back. I want that. Shirt, you want that? I think you can get it. I am the liaise. There's some interesting information. If you go out to the PFAA, I saw this earlier today. This is a. Page on height considerations for gymnastic rings and pull up bar heights and it goes through.

Athlete height data. It's talking about how high the pull up bars are, how high the gymnastic rings are, and it gets down to this bottom. Point down here. And it says kind. Of here's you. Know all these heights are based off of having the availability of two six inch foam risers a stand on. Without these risers the measurements don't work. Ideally risers have a much larger surface area than 28 inches by 28 inches once commonly provided.

Those are the rogue ones you always see underneath the pull up rig during the games. They should be closer to 7 foot by. 7 foot. So they can cover the entire floor beneath the rig. This would reduce any injury risk of athletes falling when compared to smaller objects. I don't know of seven foot by 7 foot 49 square. Feet of 6 inch risers and how you would provide that at any competition? John, what did he say? He's, I don't know what he's. Not paying attention.

To me, no, it's not that he's not paying attention. It's that it was. So hard to like. What are we talking about? It's I mean 7 by 749 square feet. Per person, yeah, like basically one sounds like a lot. Yeah, it's the entire like. The whole pull up bar. Area, I'm listening, Tyler. It's just, it's not that so. Stupid, I'm trying to make the point. You know when Hiller's like, he says I'm. Not reading that. Yeah, that's what I was thinking during this, like. What? What are we?

Reading like start over my whole point and I think this is maybe. Why it didn't get the attention earlier? It's like. What? Why are you going? Why are you going after this? Right, like. Scoring tables. Pull up. Height pull up bar. Height like OK but. Like to reduce any. Injury risk saying you need a 7 foot by 7 foot pad so that somebody doesn't, you know, twist an ankle 'cause they come down wrong. That is where I struggle. With it. Right. Like I think that's where a lot of.

People struggle with it and. Now, because he will struggle with it and this. Has happened I I. I wonder if there's some concerns about how they like do I join this? Is this what I want to support? Like do you think it? Would have been better had the PFA not existed. Until this moment with that, so they didn't have the burden of all this. They they weren't burdened by what has been. They weren't. Burdened by all this that they had put out and they're. Like, you know what, we're going

to unionize over this. I bet they'd actually be better off in their cause. It's so dumb. Man, just just. Do whatever you're going to do. Just put me into my misery. I don't. I don't think I think John. I think John's done. John's tired. We're going to wrap this up. It's just. Not, it's just not. Listen, this is just not my. Role like to talk about like I just have I just don't have a lot to add to the conversation.

It's just so all of it's dumb. All right, well, we'll ask Ivana and Caleb. How we, how we did and then we'll wrap it up. I give it like an 8. It wasn't too long. And they got a got a lot of good conversation in there. They kind of went after each other, which is kind of cool. I think the show's A10. I agree.