NorCal Classic Preview, PFAA Creating Division Among Athletes & Does CrossFit Exist w/o the Games?

Welcome to the spin. How's everybody doing? Good. I'm good. John. I'm great, man. I was not expecting that. Brand new we're we're up in the production value. Boy, they frog groups went to the to the training camp. I was like all right guys, y'all going to be on camera 100%. Of the time. I like that. As you may notice, couple new sponsors frog grips. It's filming up. And Lujan Jun. So as much as what you get, a

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But hey, we met Ernie over there at the at the CrossFit Games and see ya checking those, checking them out. All right, big show for you guys. September 4th. We're going to go into some viewer comments, a little bit of a PFAA kerfuffle. This small, it's it's not even really noteworthy. So, you know, basically if you missed it on Saturday, the great Pedro White somehow managed to get Pat and Brent on there on the show to talk about the PFAA and all of the inner workings.

And then Sivan brings the opposing side, brings on Saxon and Angelo. Did you go and had maybe a little bit different, different viewpoints? So we will, we'll see kind of talk about that. And then starting in two days, Colton, Taylor, Tudor, Hans, everybody that's beating Taylor in the Kill Taylor series, it will be out there in California. Matthew will be there as well. He got a free ticket. No, I'm. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

You said everybody that's beating Taylor, though. We got Matthias. So yeah, that we'll, we'll go through that and what information we do have got some blind rankings and then I'm ripping everything off of Pedro today. We will talk a little bit about CrossFit, the Games, separating, what happens, all that stuff. Jake Foster had some some input and I want to talk about that so. Angelo had a big week this week. Angelo's been everywhere. Not working I guess. Lazy sack of shit. Show.

He's off season, man. Trying to keep it with John. We'll go into viewer comments if you guys want to be featured on the next show. Drop your comments below and I'll read out some of my favorites at BGG 7518. The show was awesome. Compliments are also at the top of the pile. Spin totally owned that Cooper guy digging into his IG followings. JY, don't be sad because other people are insecure. I am a female and I totally understand your opinion. We Crossfitters love you very much.

Well. Thank you, I'm not sad. It's really the most dangerous week for us, especially you, John, 'cause it did nothing but empower us worse than we already were. Oh, that week is what you're saying that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At Maddie Ogden John, I just want you to know that your comments inspired me to buy two of your JY barbell shirts. Oh, snap. Do you have any left? Just a couple. There's a couple. Yeah, well. Get up.

Get up before they're gone. Don't don't worry everybody, a couple in every size and every type of T-shirt. You know, if I had to guess, if I truly, truly, if I had to guess, I probably have. I'm going to say 162. That is as accurate of a guest you're going to get to without without me counting it. I'm going to say 162 shirts left is what we got. Going Dick Butter wants to know if there's any larges left. I think there might be 3 or 4 left. Absolutely.

Better hurry up. Yeah, it's on my wife's crochet site, Muster Seed Crochet. It's just go to my Instagram. It's on. It's on the little little drop, whatever that's called. At Ken Walters, man, I love how JY just leaned into the haters. That was beautiful. I was happy I was. I was very unsure how you were going to approach that last week and. What did you think I was going to say? I thought you were going to be go the route of apologizing to

avoid the. Conflict. Oh I would have gone after you harder than the comments. Did if you would apologize? I know I there was a couple of people at my gym that wanted me to apologize and I was and I was like y'all like you, you don't watch the show Like I can't, I can't, I can't apologize Like it's, it's I am a man of my word, OK? Regardless, Regardless if that word, if whatever I say is offensive or whatever, I say everything with 100% honesty. It's my opinion.

I'm never going to go back on it. I try to be caring and nice to everybody, believe it or not. But when I'm going to give my opinion, I'm not going to be political about it. I'm not going to sugarcoat things is exactly what I think. And you know, if you hate me for it, you hate me for it. If you like what you like me for it. And that's that's how it's going to be. I want to apologize to absolutely nobody and Tina Osborne loved honesty.

John, you said nothing wrong and I think you are a handsome young man. Thank you, Tina. I don't. You must be between the ages of 34 and 50. I don't know at your demographic. Though tends tends to fit my sweet spot, right, Tina? If you're between those ages, you need to comment on this episode. Tina No, regardless, just comment. Comment You know, whatever you are, you know, let us know. And if you call between those ages, they he has a programming

that's just for you. I just heard you, you know, Hey, I have a a few guys on the train now. I think I have like five guys. Yeah, I have like five guys and. Have you told them you only trained them because you're attracted to them? Yeah, their wives are just dying, man. I'm just trying to get them on the train. No, no. Whatever, whatever it takes. All right, well, those are your comments. Drop them below. If you're not subscribing to the channel, do that at the same

time. The PFA kerfuffle. Little, little arguments. Brett and Pat, what's that? You play the clip. Which clip? Which clip you want me to play? The Karfafel I. Don't know what the whole damn thing is there. Karfafel, John. Oh, OK. I thought we were talking about where Brent kind of went behind Bounder's back and talked. With Castro and. Don didn't tell anybody. Well. I'm no, not that. OK, the whole. The whole thing. Forget, forget, I said no.

It's part. It's part of it, it's part of it. I don't have it queued up because I'm not that prepared. But I guess first thing, the PFAA membership the last two years individual only. What do you, what do you make of that? Like should that be what the PFAA is? Like who? Who is a voting member of the PFAA? It's like if the if the if PFA stands for safety, teams should definitely be allowed.

I mean, like somebody made a point the other day that the teams is probably exponentially more dangerous than individuals, but that's what. Nobody cares. Nobody cares about. Yeah, but nobody cares. And so you really show. Even even even for safety we don't care about OK. No, I mean I think it's a valid question though, like is. Where do you set the line? Where do you set the line? Like we talked about it, like on the individual side, how far down the line you go?

I mean, teams, there's plenty of team athletes who have been there multiple years. I mean, Tola's been there for how many years in a row on a team, you know, so. Andrea and Taylor like did they not qualify for? Rich would not have been a voting member for all of his years. If Rich is not good enough to be a voting member, then then it's it's. Your club sucks. Yeah, yeah. I I don't want to be a part of whatever you are a part of if Rich just doesn't qualify. Yeah.

I think we should make Angelo the head of the PFAA. Why do you say that? You don't. You don't. Why? I don't think he could be trusted with power and that's why I think that's why he stays out of me. He's like, you know, 'cause if I get power, it's all downhill for everybody. Else dude Angelo strikes me as the type of guy that if responsibility is given to him, he would take it very, very seriously. But and not a scared way. Does that make sense?

He of what people might think or you know, stuff won't be stupid. We won't there won't be word vomit. You wouldn't have a demand letter, you know what I mean? He'd straight like there'd be a whole bunch of different things that would be different that I can't articulate correctly.

He I think you're saying that because of like, him being like, well, I went and sat at tables where people I knew they would disagree with me. And then like he was saying that he messaged Brent was like, it's OK. Like, I'm glad that we disagree about this. Like, I want to talk about it. And like, that's huge. So yeah, I'm playing a little bit about the power thing, but like, I don't know, I don't think he wants that.

No, I don't either. But now I've never spoken to Angelo but like ever like one-on-one ever. So I don't know him as a person. I just everything I've heard from him just seems like somebody who's not afraid to say what they believe. And then if you have the athletes best interest in mind, that's the type of person, then somebody can, you know, people can get behind and follow.

Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm there to say he should be the leader of. It I'm kind of joking with the leader of it. He's never said anything. No, I get it at all. But. I do think that there needs to be opposing viewpoints. Should there Well, I I think, I think it's hilarious that you're like, he should be the head of it. And it's like, well, OK, do we even want it to be a thing?

I I'm not against it. OK, here is I think he should a guy like Angelo, maybe not Angelo, but like there should be people who share his point of view in it in the PFAA. If it exists. As members right that like exactly and and spend who who who brought it up. I was just I don't remember who brought it up where they were. Like it was said all of PFAA all are like one click essentially. They was worded differently but I. Think Saxon. I think Saxon brought that up of. Who? Saxon. OK.

Who are who? Everybody like. I think that's the greatest point you can make is that, and as far as if you're going to have an athlete, a people speaking for the athletes, it should be P like all types of different opinions in one group, right, Not just five people who think the same. Yeah. I think going back to Tyler's question though, like should there be a PFAA or does there need to be a PFAA? If you don't screw up, this never becomes a problem.

And that's the thing. Like, I don't even think it was the death of Lazar that has gotten us to this point. The PFA has been around for a few years. It's like they just continue to like CrossFit created this problem. Right, They would say the same about CrossFit. What, like there wouldn't be a need for us if CrossFit did what they're supposed to do? That's what they would say. They would say the same what you

are saying. They would say the exact same thing about CrossFit. So like you have to try to see it from their point of view. I do. And I don't necessarily think that there's not a like it shouldn't be there. But if it is there, all the responsibilities should be like either they either give the responsibility to them and it needs to be fair and we all need to agree upon it, or you're kind of a laughingstock a little bit. You know what I mean, 'cause you're, you're, you're not doing

anything right. And that's kind of where they are now. But I'm saying I think it should be one way or the other, either not have it or they should be in charge of safety regulations. You should have 5 people of different viewpoints and none of them should be existing athletes. How do you know when you set it up of different viewpoints? I guess that's. That's a great point, How they. I don't know if you would say

that if you look at the list. I bet you get one person from California and one person from Texas, one person from Canada and one person from Florida. They all. Think I'm mad? I'm mad there's no representative from Kentucky there. And then one person, Austin Hatfield, could be the West Virginia. Yeah, I'll, I'll accept that. I guarantee you, you get 5 people from just different regions. They would have different viewpoints. Yeah, I guess the the question I have is. How?

How did Zayarakaya needs to be the? Asia if Zayarakaya is not the Dang head of the PFAAI swear. Now you got Dina Swift and Engelbrecht, both from Africa, representing Asia and Africa. Yeah, I think that I think maybe the problem is early on the only people who were active in the PFAA had the same opinion. Well, yeah, 'cause it, yeah. And that tends to be how a situation goes like this.

And so now you're in a situation where things are being demanded as a representation of the athletes and it doesn't speak to everybody. It's not represented by the athletes. Yeah, John. And I, I mean, I spoke with another athlete who who said they got like an e-mail saying, Hey, we're going to have this video conference. And then they never got anything ever again. And this is a games athlete.

So as far as like speaking for the athletes, they got one e-mail and it was kind of like the, the big voice call, like if you want to come, you can come. And then they were never asked their opinion on anything. They were never talked to by anybody ever again throughout the entire games season. And this is a person that was at the games, you know what I mean? Like an individual games athlete. Nobody that people would expect me to hear this from.

It's none of I would say it's none of my my people that I like have a correspondence with it's. Not, not Austin or. It's not Austin, it's not Hopper, it's not Dallon, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not anybody that I like have a correspondence with. Like a hopper.

I promise it's. Not no, I I think even Brent made that fact, made that comment that they haven't rolled off the 2022 athletes and brought on the 2024 athletes, which is interesting because they put the statement out and didn't bring in the athletes who are new I. Don't want transparency? And if you think about it, none of I don't think any of the rookies withdrew. I think all the rookies competed throughout. Yeah. Claudia. Claudia Gluck was the European. I was trying to think of the

European people. Gluck, Who's There's one more. For the women, right, Amy? Amy no, there's, there's another one I'm I'm trying to think of. I can't remember for the life of me. Keep going. Kiesman. Yeah, yeah. Linda Keesman. Yeah, but they all competed. And I know, Linda, you. Are doing some stuff you're a very forgettable person I I never I never remember Linda Keesman for any disagree you need to have like like there needs to be an event where you show out.

I don't like. I know it was a. Little known about. It I need a strength, Linda Keesman, where you come out and show out so I can just, I just need one and then I'll remember you forever. But like right now you're very forgettable and I don't want that. I don't like that. I want to remember you. She's training a think tank, so Tyler knows her. Oh, that's the problem. You're training. The correspondent John, you have your you have your Ave. of knowing people 'cause they're

good at stuff. I got my Ave. They're knowing people 'cause they're good at they're in. TTT. All right, don't take this from me. I got. You. Linda is my Sayer. No. So Linda, you just keep, you just keep being mediocre at everything. Linda. You don't do anything out of the ordinary. This afternoon or this morning, Christoph Horvath back on Instagram, put out a big long. Getting ready to spit a mad rap like this track and I. Don't know what's going on here, Spit.

Bars here. One shot, one opportunity. I will say if you have that Yeti microphone you should probably get get rid of it. It sucks. Yeah, get get a new one. That's how he he had that bum playing in his head when he was typing this out. It's got one shot at it. That's right, basically I'll kind of summarize here. If you want, as an athlete competing at any in person stage of the CrossFit Games with all its unknown and unknowable, one thing is guaranteed.

If you raise safety concerns, you get brushed off or ignored. If you're hurt competing, you mostly can't count on a swift, inappropriate response. He brings up Scott Panchick raising his voice about the rope length which Saxon during the show with Sivan said that he, I mean Scott went to the next week's thing and said you need to have these cut and CrossFit

cut them. I really it sounds obvious to have the ropes cut off the ground, but I guarantee if you go to how many half the CrossFit gyms around the world the rope is wrapped around on the floor. Yeah, mine are wrong. Yeah. It's just, it's part unfortunate, but yeah, yeah. And a lot of time. Cutting the next week, though. I mean, I, I kind of think this one's fair because Scott did say beforehand, hey, can we cut

these? But then I also think it's fair that CrossFit was like, we started the competition already. We can't like we can't cut them, even though, even if they probably they even if they don't know they could have like this one is valid in my opinion, but the fact that they did cut them next week, like it wasn't, I feel like it was just a thing where they were like we already started. We can't, we can't cut them, you know, and and then that.

Is it's a. Terrible thing, you know, I mean, it's a bad thing that happened to Scott, right? But how? Many years, been so many years. It's been like, I get it, but how many again? Gyms all over the world, the athletes have done it. Is the venison. He ended his case with the Rebecca venison. I know it's like, dude, you had so much better examples to choose from and you chose venison. So he says venison was falling

from the rope. To receive medical help on live television takes a medical over 5 minutes. Do a little research. You know what I mean? His whole point, his whole, well, his whole point for that one was that it took medical. It took medical very long to get to her. Not that it happened, but it took a long time. She was rolling on the floor for a long time. But then if you just do a little bit of research, the venue required them to be.

It's their medic team. It's not Crossfit's medic team. They weren't. They didn't allow CrossFit to have a medical team on the floor. It was the venue's medical team and they are the people that are responsible for Rebecca and that thing. It's not even. It's not even CrossFit. Right. And so Hiller comments CrossFit staff was not allowed to provide any medical service in France that had to come to the come from the venue.

I believe even Elliot Simmons got into the comments about some things and you know, people are complaining about, well, Rebecca was allowed after she fell from the rope to continue competing, yet last year they stopped. Bitching. Everybody's complaining that they pulled Alex Carone out, right? And saying, well, you can't continue with the competition because you're hurt. You didn't try hard enough. And so Rebecca hurt herself and they didn't pull her off the competition.

I saw somebody say, well, every other sport makes you sit out and you can come back after the next event. Well, her season's over at that point. You take a 0 on it. Yeah, you can't. You're you're done, right? Like, so everything is great to listen to and say after the fact, you know? And he says the harsh reality is the one thing you can't count on is appropriate safety measures put in place.

That is proven by history of our sport, staff and medical at the Games and some ways cannot work on a volunteer basis. With significant cuts being made, safety cannot suffer that and. I don't disagree with that. No, that's not. Yeah, I don't have any problem with that but. It's just your. Your examples are rough. So bad. And then he, then he goes on threads. I don't know if anybody's still on threads, but Christoph is I actually. Got rid of it the other day.

Posts on there and then shares it on Instagram like, you know, staying in the whole Meta universe and then goes along and does a very long post. Very long, Jesus. That's quite, quite the long. And so, you know, part of it is he's saying that on here with to identify the road, all athletes are willing to walk side by side. The participants of the competitive space are unique. This isn't A-Team sport. Everyone is out there to fund

for fend for themselves. Because of that, the present opportunity sometimes blind us from looking ahead. So basically everybody needs to come together and ask for the same thing. And this one seems to be in the term name of safety. Laura then has since shared that both of those posts do do you thoughts on Kristoff taking those stances? Like, I mean, do you think, do you think there's anything that all 80, let's just even keep it at the individual like all 80 athletes can agree upon like

that that's meaningful. No, I don't think you need 100% agreement, but it's like if you have, you know, 60% agreement, like, OK, I can see that. I, I mean like there any, I think what the, I think the PFAA proves that it's like there needs to be some sort of collection that that all the athletes can go to, they can voice their opinion, vote on something to say, Hey, do we even really care about this?

It's like the whole time you're talking about this, I'm like, has anybody really reached out, really gotten all the athletes attention and said, Hey, do you all give a shit about the safety really or do you think? It's he probably should have asked that in his interview of all the athletes, you know, he interviewed all the individual athletes. He probably if he would have asked that question, he'd have

been in the clear. I think, I think if you would ask the the athletes on YouTube. I'm saying he's the only one that's spoken to all of the athletes that were like for the I know it's not 80 with the teams and stuff, but you know, or he is, yeah. He spoke to all eighty of them. He's the only one who's spoken to all 80 of them. Correct. Yes, yeah, 79. On a person to person basis, like, like I'm, you know.

Yeah, Ivan did not get to talk. What's interesting is like Kristoff is speaking up about this, but and so is Elliott Simmons. Both of them would not be eligible for the PFAA. What are they grandfathered in? I think they're just speaking in generalities. Like they support the PFAA but they can't. They could not even be part of what is. Stipulations again. You have to be. For those of us that just for the people, you know, I I obviously know, but like for do. You know, do.

You, you can articulate a lot better than I can. So go ahead and tell the what are the stipulation? I wanted to be in the PFAA, What would I have to do? Go. Ahead, you would have to be 18 years old. Check. You have to be an elite active in an elite individual category. Is that is that did does the Brazil study qualify you for elite or no? I'm sorry, that was pro that was. Pro this is elite individual, sorry. So you have to make the games as

an individual. The Games as an individual CrossFit semifinals or a similar event. So I saw Brent should comment on Christophe. You're not. You're not qualified to comment on things like this. Man. If you could back the freak off, that's what Brent should comment on Christophe's post is what you're telling me. We speak for the athletes and saying shut the hell up. Yeah, I don't, I don't understand the CrossFit semifinals. The male and female individual.

Oh, the male and female individual one step below the CrossFit Games qualifier position. So if 10 qualify #11 is considered a performance member. Oh, OK, that's kind of fun. Why? Why? Scale, so it's scaled. Yes, you're the scaled PFAA performance. Member I wonder if they should give them a special shirt like that way that way like you're in the club, but like you're ADEI member right? Like, like that's, that's that's what you are. Performance.

Man, I don't don't get it. So and then IF3 World Championship. That's probably the easiest one. Top top three female and male finishers. Christoph, go win that. Does that that means that the I think IF3 was The Who finished? I even know who who was in there? Was the open girl in there? What's her name? Mirham. Mirham, I don't know, she might. I think she did that and then any other functional fitness competitions that host elite individuals or comparable designation.

And I guess that's Crucible. To the to the whim of whatever they think. That's that's what it it's not clear, right? Like I assume Waterpalooza Rd. I don't know if Taylor, if Taylor competes at the Crash Crucible this year. There's no way that's. Taylor was one spot out of qualifying, wasn't he? He, he would qualify, wasn't he the he was the one spot out. He's a performance member. Let's get Was he? Was he one spot or two spots? I think he was 2. 2 Seth Stovall

was the first spot. Almost a performance member. So close, Seth. Yeah, but. You're really kicking yourself now, Taylor. That would have been rich if Taylor. If Taylor was one spot out he could just be like listen as a member of the PFAAI would like to say that this is effing retarded. Like what? We're doing Sabir and Kelly. What is the IF3? The International Functional Fitness Federation.

James Fitzgerald is trying to make CrossFit into the Olympics, and this is what he's using his template as. It's. More standardized. I don't think he's part of it anymore. I thought he made it he. Did make it. Yeah, but I don't think he's actually Gretchen. Gretchen Kettleberger is kind of like the one that's in charge now. I will say I did find the movement standards for the IF3. They're great. Do you think so? Yeah, they're so good. You're right. Spin mirror him.

Mirror him won. See. Mirror him and Victor. I have three young. Young goal, yeah. Yeah, buddy. Young goal. Movement standards for the International Functional Functional Fitness Federation. They're trying to get into the Olympics, but they have movement standards for everything. But Tyler's not a big fan of it, because why Tyler? There's no pictures dude. How you going to have a movement library with no pictures? I agree with Tyler. Or videos.

Air squat. You start standing tall, you end standing tall, and you have to achieve the bottom of a squat. That's like playing charades, but you're just telling people what to do and like, they're not allowed to do it until you tell them what to do, right? So like, if it's raining, I'm saying, Tyler, raise your hands and then like do like do like spirit fingers on the way down. Oh, wait. And now he has to now he has to connect. That's raining. He's got to try to figure that

out. There's no way I would just. There's no way. There's no way. It's a the bottom of the squat, the two foot version achieving a full squat with the crease of the hip below the plane of the top of the knee, and so the hip is defined as the joint between the femur and the hip bone. I got a big hip. There you go, lots of words. 164 pages I think it is. Tell me you have small hips without telling me you have small hips. She always got small hips. Spiller. Ben's hips are small, he's got a

hard time bending that. Hip below. The. Knee. It's true. It's true. So yeah, if you ever want to learn how to do a movement and what that is, check it out IF3. How long you think, Tyler, if I give you $1010.00, would you read that cover to cover? I probably would in one day if I got. You're like legit. Really, the best way would be to get me pissed off. Like you have to actually read

everything. You can't just be like, I know what a push up is, all right, right, like actually read every word. That'd be that'd be rough. That'd. Be rough. I mean it. Says it all the time, Hiller. Or or seven. Rep start standing free. This is a peg, boy. You're going to start standing free, you're going to end standing free, and you're going to insert pegs into target holes. Check. Got that down. And then you insert pegs into holes below the designated descent mark. Done that too.

And you may return to the Rep start in any controlled manner. I hate the hyphen on peg. It really is not great. Can you scroll up so people know what I'm talking about? The pay it it's. It's it's. That's a rough hyphen. Yeah. So yeah, that's that is that might be my favorite one. I've only gone through a handful but. What does that mean? Measurements. Target designated descent? Like what? But what's the target that? I don't top spot. I need definitions. Is there a definitions page?

See, like, but I, I go straight to when you listen to Pat and Brent with Pedro, one of their things was like, you're going to change the burpee standard on us the day of the competition. What if the pegboard is a different like pegboard, Different pegboard? Or the holes are different or? You can't stand walk on turf versus versus the the Coliseum. Right, like that's where I I'm like, I like, you know, if it. Just says handstand walk and there's obstacles in there.

People aren't crying about it. Right. And that, that's where I'm struggling with you can't, you can't outline everything that you're going to see, right? Like everybody thinks there's a pegboard. That's the certain way. But what if there aren't holes in the middle and they're 2 feet apart and versus 6 inches apart, right? Makes it more like something crazy. We have to standardize the pegboard. That's what I mean. Like, what if the pegboard comes different?

One pegboard that rules them all? Yeah, I did. See what? Happens that's that's sold by an IF3 vendor and you have to go through the preferred yeah, approved vendor. Spend, have you? Were you around when Savon interviewed James Fitzgerald? And then he called what? What does James call it? Tyler. What? No, no, no, he doesn't.

No, no, he doesn't call it OpEx, OpEx fitness when he called, when he, when he called functional, I hate it's not functional fitness, but he called whatever definition that Fitzgerald puts on it. He called that CrossFit and then he I've never seen Savon. So like what? What the freak is happening right now? Like James got so mad and he was like, that's not CrossFit. And like like straight up went on like a 10 minute parade on Savon and Savon was just like so confused. I remember. Amazing.

It is amazing. I don't remember that. Dude, you being. That nuts dude. I remember the episode. I got to go back and watch. So just type, you know, just I'll, I'll, I'll find it. But James Fitzgerald, this is back when 7. I guess he's still. In I remember. I remember when. James, this was a while ago. Right. Weren't you? Were you on? No, not on that show. No. OK. I was, I was, you know, I was doing things. I was doing things. I was around. I was, yeah, I was around. I was around.

Was it was it 2 years ago or was it oh, here we go. James Fitzgerald crossed and then I would type and then it's it's like near the end of it, but I I will find it and put in the group and then if you want to like like. Like a real. Clip it. I I don't, I don't think Brian was on either. I really think. Green. Look at that green. The green words. This is explaining the difference between CrossFit and OpEx, well, maybe this. Maybe this is it. Yeah, I don't remember. The clip.

I don't remember Brian being on it, but people this is amazing. Like you should go listen or find this out. It is so fun. If y'all don't know, James Fitzgerald is the first CrossFit Games champion of all time. He won in 2007 and then he competed for two more years and then the sport kind of outgrew him. And then I don't divorce. With CrossFit.

I don't know what twisted him up so much to get so mad at CrossFit, but he hates CrossFit. So now he invented a new thing that's the same as CrossFit. And if any anybody calls it CrossFit, he gets so mad. It's like calling a a Mexican Cuban. Like he gets so mad, so mad. I think it's the other way around, but OK. That was pre stream yard. That was, I think it was rivers, Riverside or whatever or river. I don't know. I don't know. I wasn't ever backed in yet.

That is around the Lost episode time period. Is it really? That's your first episode. The only thing I remember about OpEx was one of the first opens and maybe 2012 when they did bar facing burpees and they put they used 5 LB change plates. Oh yeah, yes, I remember those the. Demacle of that, yeah, honestly, I think that's smart. They didn't say anything about that. It didn't say anything about it.

It didn't say you couldn't. Well, I think, I think they're just, you know, searching for anything. There it was, the unnatural movement clause that like, hey, you knew what you had to do, but you went and headed. It was a tiny. Little yeah it, but the the more we keep talking about this PFAA stuff, the more I'm like the longer we go down this road, the more everything starts to look like the rogue rule book and it's just like no one had you

like. That you loved, That you were a fan of it. You loved it? Yeah. You wanted 15 pages. For trash. And you're like, it's Tyler's trash. Yeah, that's what you said. You loved it, you don't. Remember loving it. You were a huge fan, don't hurt. Me loving it, you know. You serious? I'm going to pull that up at some point. Hey do y'all want to do an award show? I was thinking about this. It's probably the wrong. Time. Don't you steal my ID, you son of a bitch?

No. No, no, because like, like, you know, the games kind of ended real quickly and they didn't really, and they didn't have a ceremony and it was all awkward at the end, right? What I'm saying is, would y'all want to come up with some superlatives and and hand them out on a show? Didn't we have? Superlatives or. What the? Best like like for the games. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like rookie of the Year or best camp or unlike and like, you

know, best moment or you. Know we did do something like that last year, I thought. Yeah, I thought we did too. And and like, I know we were clowning around with superlatives beforehand, but it wasn't that was that was something different. I'm saying like we should. We, we also did one after semifinals or quarterfinals. We did the mid year. We can.

We can update those. Yes, I think we should do a an end of the year show where we hand out like our our fake awards to people, you know what I mean? Next week, next week we'll update 2024 CrossFit game season. Austin, Austin texted me. He goes, hey, man, do you think I'm going to get the Rookie of the Year award or they're not doing that? And I'm like, you're probably not getting nothing, man. Are you mad because I already found MVP?

MVP. Yeah. I thought we disagreed on that. No, that's I'm. Right, I thought you guys agreed but didn't realize you were agreeing. That's usually how our. I don't know. We'll, we'll all come up with our own. We'll all come up with our own. We'll all come up with our own. And you can, you know, you can throw your, you know, your scientific way on it and, and we'll see who the crap. There we go. We'll have you come up with a list. Man, I know you already got one of them.

I got I got some will add to it. Yeah, yeah. And then we will. You can have gay headphones at your mom's house. We'll we'll all have our our answer to it and then if we have a disagreement, the chat can decide on who The Who the winner is and that's who we'll hand it to. Sound fair? Sounds good. Judy Reed. Most based was Marco Coppola. You guys explained to me what based means. It just means Republican. Oh, it means saying something that you don't care if you get

pushed back or what. Most people won't say. Most acidic would be Democratic. No, that's just woke. OK. Tyler wouldn't. It's the inverse of saying. Well, if we have based we should have acidic like I don't like or or woke. You should be asleep, right? You're trying to you're trying to put sense to a a generation that says the word riz. What are you talking about? Or the skibbity? Why are you trying to put make this make sense? Hey Skibbity, Bibbity is is tight man.

Face to Saxon, what'd you guys think of Marco? Marco and his video series of. I didn't. I didn't watch it. It was so good until the last one. It was. The last one was fine. I think he just could have not done it. Tyler, you can you summarize it for me because I'll be honest, like any there's a lot of drama going on, a lot of drama. You don't like drama? And, and I'll be honest with you, the strong women thing kind of just made me like. Knocks.

You down? I just, I just don't care about like anything right now, you know, you know what I mean? So like if there's something like, oh, did you hear who said this? I'm like, Nope, I didn't, I didn't hear anything. So can you summarize it for me? I just kind of tuned everything out for the last like month of other media, you know what I'm saying?

Just. Basically, Marco laid out what happened behind the scenes at the games and his stance or like his particular perspective is that he was on a team and he doesn't really have anything to lose. He's like, I don't make my money off of this. I don't have sponsors. So he was just given like a flat out like here's and he would say like this is the way I saw it. Like I don't know who said it. He was kind of based. He had a more conservative tilt to him or a more, I would say go

ahead. Yeah, he, he called. I mean, it was kind of funny 'cause he's like, I'm not going to mention anybody by name, but one girl on Peak 60. The the the the captain of Peak 360. That's hilarious. I I think he called out Angelo by the captain of Mayhem like it was so clear who it was. We'll. Just call Maya Angelou. And basically kind of, you know, he he spoke about what happened during the meeting and how people who were afraid to speak

up, we're not talking, right? And they were a lot of, I think you a lot of the rookies, right, Because you mentioned like some of these new people were afraid to speak up when a lot of the veterans were giving their perspective that may have been different. It was like an important account, like we'd not had like kind of just an unfiltered version of what happened. I'm sure it's not completely unfiltered, but for the most part it's like it's pretty straight up like this is what happened.

Yeah, I think we, I think we knew a lot of what had happened, but like to have that detailed perspective walking through the whole thing kind of give you insight of what it was. I'm sure his recollection of things probably differs from say the blonde girl from Peak 360 who you know, she said that he was bullying her and he says she was bullying him about the one minute. So like those types of things, like again, like the context and how things were said.

We're only getting Marco's perspective, but he talked about that. He talked about the one minute kind of thinking how that was sprung up on him and his team within like 5 minutes before going on the floor. You know, I think he brought up even like and one thing I've heard it talked about several times about how the whole Noah thing in saying, well, he talked to Dave and Dave was going to see what he can do about giving back the minute.

That makes zero sense to me. Dave doesn't have to ask anybody to give back a minute. Why would he have to check with anybody to give back a minute? I'll see what I can do. Right, like that makes zero sense. Like I think the second he says something like. Like that, you're like, yeah, I'm not getting. It be like you're not going to get the. Minute, right. I think that's what it he probably would said something like that, right? Like, yeah, I'll see if I can do something like.

No, that is Dave's polite way of saying no. Right. And it wasn't interpreted that way. And so he kind of went through it and then I was with him the whole time. And then I think in the last, the next, the last video, he kind of talked about how the the athletes do need to have a voice and have a say in what happens. And I started to like, it was like a complete 180 from everything where it seemed like he was going. And then the last one was just covered. The last part of the, of the

competition. It wasn't it. It completed the circle of everything about the weekend that he had been to, but it wasn't it wasn't anything that was going to really, you know, it was more his experience of the weekend versus kind of give an insight that nobody had heard before. So vindicate. That sounds like Dave saying it. Complete sarcasm. I'm sure it was pretty like very nice at the time. Right, right. So. It was good. So what was your original

question about Marco? What do you think about those comments? John hadn't seen it so. Oh, he kind of yeah. We went through it just then. I mean, yeah, I think it's, again, it was an interesting take on everything that has happened. Yeah, it's like I wanted it way sooner. I wish he had done it like just during like he was. Last around, man. It would have been amazing. Next time, Marco, next time this happens, call in to Savon show and do do that. Like here's what happened at

the. Yeah, he would have got. He would, yeah. You'd have had like 500,000 people watch that show. Yeah. I understand why he didn't, but that's really when we wanted it. It's it's respectful not to. It. Did you guys watch Fukundo on Tuesday? Yes, very good. Judy Reid, did you catch this about Fukundo telling Savon someone from the PFAA wanted to make sure prize money only went to individuals and not the team? I did not catch all of it. I caught part of it.

I didn't see that part. Why for that? It makes sense, dude. You can't. Do you understand? No. They're the individuals who are on it. I don't know. I didn't. I didn't. Well, so they don't. They don't qualify to be in the PFA so they shouldn't be paid. Possibly because you're not in individuals. Right. Lupe says that's not what he said. I care about the teams more than the PFAA cares about. Lupe Lupe, he called him Lupe Lupe. We don't care.

We only care about 50% facts. Tell us what really happened, Lupe. And now Judy Reid said. Because teams price versus less and you want to be sure the individuals got more. Fair enough. Lupe said he meant the team's pot would go to the teams, the indie pot would go to Indies. Is that not what I would normally happens? I think if you're going to split it up evenly, Oh, if. You're going to split it up evenly. That is different.

There's a lot more money, there's a lot more money going to a lot fewer people and individuals. Than there are that's stupid team went though that's. Didn't Judy do the accounting for for 7 on the number of tips and stuff? Judy, if you're wrong on this, it's that we're going to have to take your accounting privileges. Away. Augustus is waiting in the wings and he is chomping at the bit. OK. All right, Well, double down, Judy.

I don't know if I can talk about the PFA anymore until something happens. Everybody's. Going to happen. Everybody's waiting for something to drop, waiting for a. Response. You heard it here first. I like how you called out during Pedros podcast. Somebody would go on screen and somebody would cry and I'm like, that doesn't super count. What is a better call, Austin getting exactly 10th place or recalling somebody would cry and walk out of the? Screen Austin Getting.

That is wild how that happened because I I don't. Know, John. Your dad happened. I was like, hold it, what is going on? I didn't believe it. I didn't believe it either. I kind of looked up. I'm like, are you like messing with me? Like am I like? Moving on, the Norcal Classic in Granite Bay, CA this weekend. Real quick, real quick, will this be live streamed? Not to my knowledge, I don't think it's ever been live streamed. So if we wanted to keep tabs on

it, what would you have? What do you do just? Just in real time you can watch the competition. Corner going old school man. Oh. Man, that's unfortunate. Well, Daniel, win $5. Appreciate it. Just give to Indies, not teams, because they get less. You mean like the losers? Yeah. So I think that's exactly how it was said. The Kristoffs of the world, they. Don't. Yeah, Kristoff, you get nothing. Dude can you pull up pink shorts comment? You know which one I'm talking

about. That is devastating. Oh yeah, that's. Freak. You know, I, I think 1 of you clicked on it, yeah. Oh. Man, I it's so far back. Do they star it? I did it's it's in. It's in the starred ones. Can you pull it up? Is my. Level just like totally. Down this one, imagine fumbling Gabby and McDonald. That is that is such AIII, you know, we probably never will. It's none of our business why if they're if they're broken up, but if that is true, that is the craziest thing of all time.

Like I like that is so just sad really. I I wish we could get a story to that. I'm more interested in that whole What am I looking for here? You're. Not into the drama, but you're into that drama. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my, this is my like Lifetime movie. Like I want to watch, I want to watch this Lifetime. Yeah, yeah, this is my Bachelorette. I want to know what happened in this this whole situation with Laura, Gabby and Krista. I'm more interested in that than the.

And if Dave stays, then if the PFAA, the demand letter, then really the North Cal classic, if I don't get to watch it, like I'm more interested in knowing the insurance and outs of that than anything else. I mean, crash might mean more to me. So like once, once we get to crash, it'll be it'll be nicer. But right now, that's the that's the most important thing that I want to find out that I that I

don't know. No, I mean Gabby posted a story yesterday, I think it was of her in a movie theater alone, just waving at whoever took the picture. Have you ever been to a movie alone? No, I'm not gay. It's an amazing experience dude. It was completely empty. There's nobody else in the whole thing. I don't know, I felt bad. Saying I felt that my inner Taylor came out. I'm sorry for that. I didn't mean to say that so. In my defense, I watched The Big Short alone.

No one was going to go watch The Big Short. It's a great movie. It's so good. Was there anybody else in the movie theater? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't I. I love movies. I love going to the movies, but I will make sure somebody goes with me or I'll just I watch a lot of stuff on my laptop. Like I you can get every movie that's in the movies like there's. Like going to the movies. Though No, no, I do too. But it's an experience. I want to share it with

somebody, right? Like if it's if I don't have anybody to go, I'll just watch it illegally. Sorry we're diverting hard right now, but there my brother's bachelor parties this weekend. But Beetlejuice comes out and I don't know if you know this, but Indiana is full of drive in movie theaters and I want to go to a drive in and watch Beetlejuice so bad and I can't because my brother's stupid bachelor party. Why don't you go there for the bachelor party? Because it's a Tennessee they

don't have. They don't have any drive ins where we're going, not in East Tennessee. No, Yeah. So, Norcal classic John, any last words or are you just really excited to follow the? Leaderboard, I wish we knew the events we don't even know. The events. That's a very good point. Let's look at the athletes. I, I let's, let's look at the athletes first, because we do know that it is a big, it is the showdown between Colton Hooter and Mr. Taylor Self himself.

On the men's side, I did call out some of the top athletes. Sean Sweeney, the defending Norcal Classic champion, will be back. Elijah Muhammad is in the he's a Games veteran, but I don't think he'll be fighting for the podium. He should not be in the that list. He's a girl that games veteran. I felt we're not going to be close to these guys. So yeah, he didn't even he didn't win his master's game. Matt Chan shows up. You can put him in that list too. I could say.

Jabarto. Decides to travel outside of Canada for once. You'll put him in there. Hey, they they announced he was going to be there. He is a CrossFit Games veteran. I didn't say that these are the top athletes who were going to do anything. But yeah, Elijah will be in attendance. Matt Rotay, the fastest guy on his hands. He could give Tudor a run for his money if it's a handstand walk race. That will be fun.

I hope there is a handstand walk, but like in a in a race format because I I don't know if there's anybody fashion than Matt like I know. Tudor's. Really. Fast in his hands, Matt is. Matt is the fastest. Matt's the fastest thing I've ever seen. And then on the there's a whole bunch of semifinal athletes down there. Real quick. Hey, hey, how much did the Masters win? The Masters winner, How much do they win? Depends on which age group. The best one? 25,000.

Will go take your 25,000 and go somewhere else. OK my event my finished projections are better than everybody else out there. Just because you can prove me wrong once don't mean you get to just. That's what they're always are. OK, I'm happy for you. Be fit and and and and then leave me alone. Well, John's had a rough go at it this past couple weeks. We need you to lay off. I love women. There you go. Pool boy Michael Olivus is there. Taylor Self down there.

Semifinals athlete. You have a stupid camera. And then on the women's side, only one games veteran on the individual side, Carol Prevail. Scroll up real quick. What do you need? I want the men's field again. Keep going, keep going. Keep going, keep going, keep going, going. Going all the way up here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. I see how you categorize this. I feel bad for Taylor, man. You, you did him better. Why did I do that?

I just think, I just think he's better than everybody you have him with and there's people that are not. It's not about that. That are on a higher. Tier I categorize them based off of the furthest they've made in the. You should categorize them by how good they're going to do in the competition. That's for you to do, John. Yeah, then Will Will can yell at you and everybody else. All right, go to the women. Carolyn Prevost is going. To mop You think so? Emily Rothwell. Lawrence Hallwood.

I think so, yeah. And then you go on down to the semifinal athletes Liz Wishart, Elia Miller, Emily White, Caitlin Sanders, Trista Smith. I think Trista has a chance. Yeah, I do too. I think she's the highest of any. Anybody on that? Yeah, I I agree. In the semifinals. I think it'll come down between her and Carolyn and it'll just be it'll, it'll be dependent on what the events are like.

If, if, if we knew the events, I, I think I could, I think I all three of us would be like that person's going to win. And I, I really just think it's going to be between those two. I think it just wasn't a good it weren't they weren't great for Carolyn, the events and semi finals. But Carolyn is a games veteran. She's been there repeatedly. She is just fitter than the other women. But Trista's up and coming and you know, you give her a couple

good events. You know, if she has home run and there's a minute Carolyn's bad at, then you know then absolutely. Yeah, the only thing we know is there is a swim and there's this. Which Trista is probably going to be pretty good at, but Carolyn's decent at too. The gymnastics piece, I think I heard her talk. I think she was talking on Clydesdale about it and she was not thrilled with it. Not just that she won't be good at it, but she. Was she has an Instagram post on it.

You want to pull her up? She looks better than this girl. Does she OK maybe this before she started practicing? So the reverse one, I can do it, but I, I, I haven't tried it after all this stuff. The reverse 1 is really hard. The forward roll into getting back on the bar. That one is the hardest one for me. I've only done it once and I was just clowning around. So like, I have no idea if I could do it in this complex. I've never tried to Kip em up a Kip up.

However, if that whatever we're gonna call that, I'll call it a Kip up. I haven't tried that, but I imagine I could muscle a couple out, you know what I mean? But no, I should try have you should try that complex. I'll try to do the whole thing and see. If I yeah, I'll try that in my new frog grips. I'll do it the. Forward roll is not like it's hard. I it's harder than a reverse one for me because that one or the the other way around the what's it called? What's what is it called?

Roll to support. No, no, no. They're the the kit. They're the the weird kit. Swings at the end. No, the one that they did in the games. A. Pullover, a pullover, you can just use your momentum. So like if you, if you're good at manipulating your momentum, pullovers are not hard at all, right? Like I, I can do like that. And then I can do that one. And then there are this, this one is the hardest one.

That's the hardest one for me. And like you really got to get your upper body just over so fast. And if you don't like yeah, I saw, you have no shot. I saw pool boy trying it and yeah, he got stuck. He couldn't flip it over at the at the top and. He's very good at gymnastics. This looks the weirdest to me. The what are they called the those last couple things. The Kip UPS. Yeah, the Kip UPS or whatever. So I I like each thing individually.

I think I can do, but put it all together, I bet that forward roll is of lot is is very hard. I know pool boy is extremely good at gymnastics and if he's getting stuck and he can't just, you know, just do it off athleticism, I bet it's pretty difficult. Hopper would be screwed at the Norcal classes because we know he's a he's not going to figure it out. Good thing it's Taylor, not Hopper, because Taylor's very good at all that stuff. So, you know, hopefully he's, he can do it.

Judy Reed, Olivia Curseder Not going. Not unless she somehow shows up on the leaderboard. She will be at Crash though. It's that right? There you go. If it's not announced then I'm sorry. I don't know what to check with Jr. I'm not seeing. OK. I've not seen her announced but because. I haven't seen it anywhere else by the way. The only reason? I think I'm going to surprise you guys on who I'm going to pick. The wind crash. It's a surprising pick. That's all I'm going.

To say no on the men's side. I don't know the men's athletes. No, I mean when we cut you know we got Norcal classic, but but when we when we cover crash, I'm just letting y'all know you are gonna be surprised at who I to win the. Crash athletes The the female list so far is freaking nuts. Dude, the females are just as good as the men, and this is the first year that they have had the same amount of star power. Yeah, it's gonna be the entire competition is gonna be so fun.

Like the women's battle is going to be amazing, and then the men's battles are always. They're always, I think the the men's field actually is more top heavy, but I think the women. 'S Have you both seen the men's field? It's posted. Oh is it? It's not posted. The women's is oh. I I. I know somebody, Tyler. I know his. Name is Jr. Tyler. That's why I'm upset. I would say it's the best field, men's and women's they've ever had, period. Oh yeah, yeah.

No, I I think the women's field, like you can see him right here. I mean, you got Carolyn Stanley, Kyra Milligan, Carolyn Prevo, Olivia Curseder, FISA Goffy Jordan Chefs, Liz Wishart, Lydia Fish. I hate it when you do that. What? You name relevant people and these are all great names, and then you go Jordan Chefs and you just ruined the list. He's just like, dude.

I thought you was Jordan, Chip. I thought you were saying these look how good these people are and then like you, you name like like just five names that are going to be awesome to watch. And then somebody I'm. Sorry, John. She she's also like missed qualifying for the Games like four years in a row or something. We now. Know who's that? Who's that? Attica Greer? OK. That's that's Tyler.

Christopher. Yeah. Right. We now know that John can never name anything unless it's in the proper order of the thing he thinks. Of how it's going to be ranked, sorry. I hope, Jordan Chef says. Wonderful. I thought she talked. I think George is beautiful. It's amazing. No, no, never Crash. Crash is known. Crash has been known to have some odd stuff, and this is true. This is true. Like it's not stuff you're going to see everywhere else.

It's going to be a whole bunch. It's going to be a lot of stuff that you know you're only going to see at Crash and that when that happens, it's a little less in gym fitness and a little more who can adapt the best, right? I bet Belner would love freaking Crash because he's that's one of his greatest attributes is the ability to adapt on the fly. It's a lot more athleticism and a little less fitness because it's stuff nobody's seen before

who can figure it out the best. And if Jordan is very good at that, then she will succeed. Have you seen the program? I I plead the 5th. I have not seen that. So you're fine, Tyler, I will say. I got more of an insight than Brian though, I will tell you

that. I did give Jr. something that he might do regarding the workouts, which I. Don't think I know what that is, and I'll tell you if he's doing it. It has nothing to do with the specifics of the programming, but how he announces it there. Stay tuned. One workout that is a monster. No, I'm. Just saying there's going to be a workout that is a monster. So bad I'm like. Like. Of course he knows.

It monster. I don't know if I do or not, but if it is what I think, I think, If it is what I think it is, it is vicious. You're so bad at walking this back. He did. He did say this. Event 6. It's a shame that since 2015 they've only been programmed in CrossFit Games programmed competition once. Damn Diane online. 5 rounds, 25 calorie row, 16 chest of our pull ups and 9 strict deficit handstand push ups. So. Were they? Was it on something weird that year?

The deficit handstand push ups. What's that? Probably blocks. I don't, I don't remember. By the way, Jamie's in the chat. We should congratulate Jamie on the CrossFit Games. The Masters. Congratulations, Jamie. I heard that was I. Think she got 4th place is that? I think that's right. She. Was fourth last time I was watching it. I don't know if that was the final, but I think she got 4th place. Third can't be a realist. She got third somebody.

Get caught Maybe I moved up to the last event. But congratulations, Jamie. 3rd Excuse me, Pinero. OK, he's just feeding me. Right. I think he's just throwing stuff back there. Stick with what I know, OK I. Think Jamie. Got 4th. Congratulations, Jamie. Back to Norcal Classic, the workouts, we don't know any of them from what I've been told. Basically they don't announce anything until the athlete briefing the the day before the competition starts, which is crazy to me.

Makes for a short bitch window. This has to be the biggest competition with the least amount of marketing. Like they do nothing. They do nothing to help their competition. They. They do. No, I I think you're right. Yeah, I think, I think actually everybody else, all the competitors have done more for them. But I think they see themselves as like a low, more of a local comp than they do like a serious. You have Colton, Mertens, Tudor, Magda, Taylor Self competing at

your competition. Elijah freaking Muhammad. He wouldn't show up to just anywhere. Tyler, he's a games veteran, OK? Pulled my article up. Like I just they do not market it very well. You have big names of this competition, you have a big prize pool. It's big money. It was 25,000. For the winter and you don't market it at all. It's kind of frustrating. They're like, you should not pride yourself on. We don't list the events until you until the competition

starts. Well, it's interesting because they they worked with the PFAA on the swim protocols, so. They're not announced, but athletes do, or I would say people know the workouts. They know the swim. They know the swim, at least I'm sure it's gotten out. I don't know. I think it's interesting that they partner with them. You have the PFA asking about all this stuff, getting advance notice of things, and then this is like, you know, nothing. You're just going to show up.

All you know is you need an equipment list, which includes bringing a brightly colored swim cap. That was five days ago. No white brightly colored swim cap. So hopefully Amazon delivers to you quickly if you don't have one already. And there's a lot of divisions. I mean, there's RX intermediate scaled masters. Gloves. They do do a lot of old school CrossFit, just kind of down and

dirty throw down type stuff. So the only thing that I think they will, if you do want to watch it, I think Savon and Taylor will be doing shows after like workout. No, I don't know if it's after each workout, but at least after

each it's. Pre post 9. After each day cause with Colton Taylor are all are staying together with Savon so they'll be doing something but from I won't be surprised if Savon or somebody does some type of live stream on Instagram or something but no official live stream. So sorry about you, but should be interesting to see how those three do. If you're going to pick, put your money down on one of them, John. I can't, I don't know, I don't know anything about the

competition man. Like I without knowing anything all if I know there's. Just that's not the way the game works. No, it is the way the game works. If I if I only know there's a swim, that's it, that's all I know, then I would say Taylor has the advantage because he's going to be better than Tudor and Colton in that discipline. Taylor's very aerobically fit. If there's some Max squat clean event, then guess what?

Taylor won't win because he's not going to do well in that, and Colton is probably Colton in that point because Colton's not going to have any holes. But if they have, we. Know all we need to know. There is a floater workout. I did hear that. Yep. And the gymnastics thing I know is going to be good at the gymnastics. Thing Floater workouts. They're stressful. I hate it too because it's not. You're all not doing the same race. It makes it feel rinky dink if you have a floater.

Yeah, they're a big competition trying to be a local competition, and that's weird. Don't try to label them. John, I don't know how you I'm, I mean they have like over 100 like 128,000 or $138,000 prize first like where is this money coming from? Is Blair and Ben just like Ultra they. Just got that cast, bro. Yeah. I think it's wild. That's a big payday. Payday for. Everybody Russell Floater means that athletes can do that event whenever they want to. You just have to do that event.

But like, they're not all at the same time. Yeah, you schedule it like. A 5 minute. Do as many run as far as you can in 5 minutes or do as many back squats as you. Can or a 5 minute or a 500 meter row for time or something. I had one, one time that was like a broad jump. Yeah, it was like a skills thing, and Broad Jump was part of it. Decided terrible, Yeah, but you? Have to like schedule when you do it and I think you're kind of scheduling against everybody.

Yeah. Ortega Dollar 99 is going to send me live updates. Please include super chats while you're at it SO. It's the only way we'll talk about it. I will, I will, I will share every time you super chat for sure. And if Ortega would just send us two more dollars, we can tell you what's happening. We'll have no clue until that happens. We're just going to sit here and wait. The spin cast would be pretty boring until Ortega pays US money. Hypoticus, the sponsors fronted the money.

Plus they have 2,000,000 divisions to get money out of people. It's not. I mean, that's a lot of. That's. I don't know the sponsors need to throw more money towards us if that's the case. I think Blair and Ben need to run the games if they're coming up with the prize game. Those purse on this. Right. Captain Rogers Taylor will take his floater and record it. Unfortunately, very true. All right. You guys want to play some blind rankings? Let's do it. All right.

Let's give me a second here. Pull it. Weird, I forget we're going to do this every week and then spins like you guys want to do blind rankings and I'm like yes, I. Can't wait. This one's a little different. It may make sense as as we talk about the next one, but if the CrossFit Games went away and all they had left was high rocks, who would be the best at high rocks? Oh man. This will be. I already know somebody's going to text me after this. It's.

Going to be so annoying. Like bro just. Who, who should go go further? Their career in high rocks? Let's get it over. There's no more CrossFit Games. All right, John. I love this idea, it's post apocalyptic. That's. Right skies and girls. You'll see first one. It's called blind rankings for a reason. John James Sprague. Number James What? Pretty great. There's a reason he's. Out guys. OK, Tyler, you. Have to. There's a reason. Tyler, where would you put? Tia.

No. It's I would put Tia #1. He can only train to do high rocks. And Tia is fitter in every way imaginable, including running. James's Scott James's peak is not better than than Tia at this dude. Look at him, he's like 80 feet tall and. Look up every running event and this. Man on earth, how dare every runner he's the 1st. Go look up every running and lifting event there is dude. No, I would put James too because it's going to be somebody better.

You think James could be better than Ricky at this? Yeah. I don't you think James would be better than Hopper at this. Do you think Tia'd be better than Ricky at this? I think they're close. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I don't know if you believe yourself right now. OK, one hyrox is mainly running right. It's OK, no. No, no, no, let's break down what a Hyrox is. OK? It's an AK of running with different machines and weightlifting implements, right?

Yeah, it's a wall ball. It's fitnessy, but running is the most important thing. Who this? Guy pulled up and ran a 445 mile. Ricky did. I that's what I'm saying. No, I'm saying Ricky would be my number one at this. I would take Tia. Once again, we're arguing for this same point. I would take Tia above James, but for the sake of I don't think they're both going to be there, right? I think we should put James at 2:00. For this list, Yeah.

OK, I'm going OK James too. I'm nervous that James is this early in the game. We've screwed ourselves. We did this for a reason, though. We're. Screwed. Why? Because you're a freaking what? Record. I think freaking Hopper would be great at high rocks. James is better. Than Hopper. I don't know if Hopper has. Well, no, no, no, I I'm not saying James isn't better. But the problem is that I. Think Hopper would be great at high rocks? Too It's it's half running, half

stuff, the stuff you can't you. Can't. I would argue with you can't get. 40. Percent running It's more like 70% running 30% stuff. But the. Time is about the same. OK, sure, OK. But CrossFit is over, right? Hyrox is the only thing there is Hopper. Hopper's going to be 20 lbs less, man. It's going to be a skinny Hopper. He's already. Yeah, but Greg's already that like. Already skinny, you're right. And so that's my point. Hopper would only get faster.

Like a lot faster because he's going to be super skinny. You see what? You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I know what you're. Saying the way freaking Dallon's improving his running. I mean you take 20 lbs off Dallon. Dallon might be great at high. Rock. It's the way you phrase stuff makes it sound so argumentative. It's like, we can agree that vanilla ice cream's the best. And you'd be like, yeah, it's the best. How dare you don't speak with

conviction, all right? Let's see next one man to sleep code spin saves you 10% yellow hosta. Oh God. OK, All right. What's the evaluator list? I think he's going to do every guy that's over 6 foot. I think he's I think he's going to go James, Yella Hopper. I'm now, I am now playing spin because of the first two names. OK. I think it's going to go James, Yella, Hopper, Brent and then throw Ricky at the end. You're wrong.

You're playing your version of Spin, but you rank people in order of the thing I at all times. Spin is a sick dude. He's going to try to screw us over. With all that being said, I agree with you that yellow. Of course I'm good with putting yellow at three. Why wouldn't I be? I'm putting yellow at 3:00. Yeah, well, James is better than yellow, yeah. I'll roll with that, all right. At least for now. 3rd 1 Ricky Gerard. Yes, you and I'm freaking saying Tyler, OK, put that man at #1

number 1455 him, you know? What 4? You guys are looking pretty smart right now all. Right. Next one. Worst grade? Something's wrong I don't like. Jeff Adler. Five No. We're great, We're great. I wouldn't say five man. He's probably the second best runner, but if not the first best. Runner let remaining. No period of this group, Jeff, I would put Jeff, Jeff and Ricky. I'm OK with that, but what about the other stuff? Adler's pretty good at that type.

Of Adler's the the the 2023 fittest man in the world, like, and then he didn't even do this year. Dude. I would put Jeff at second. Yeah, that's right. You're arguing with. Five and I would put Jeff at 2nd. He'll never go back to the games. So are you putting him 4? And I and he would be my second for the record. And the last one, make sure you go to man to sleep, get the best sleep of your life. And the last one is Tia Claire to me, More told.

You told you scream with us. Now, if we were able to change it, I think I would say. Tia goes to two and then drop everybody. Down. I think I would say Ricky, Yeah, yeah, I think I would say Ricky, Tia and then Jeff and then James and then Yella. That's what I would say. I would probably put Tia first. Reason being is I think. You got to compare her to the other women. Exactly. I don't think they're. Faster. IA lot seen hunter run? Hunter runs way faster than Ricky. Way faster.

Ricky wouldn't win. I think he. Did I think? Tia would hang with the women. Better than Ricky does, but you're. Putting her in her. Own you know why? You know why? I know that because Christie Aramo does high rocks now and she's a great person to look at. Look at how Christie Aramo did and she's about like 10th place. Christie would have actually could have qualified for the World Championships, right? Yeah, would have beaten her.

Sure, but. Not Ricky would not have qualified for the top 15 in High Rocks. I'm saying, OK, I see what you're saying. I guess I'm comparing them one to one and you guys are comparing them in their own divisions. Well, you added teal. You do. Yeah, you have to. I, I don't I I think like it's scaled properly to where you can just compare it 1:00 to 1:00. I see what you're saying, spin I I I I agree then, but I think like I'm as far as to win goes. I thought Ricky got like fifth

in the one that he did. In Australia it was like nobody attended. I thought it was two of the top. There. No, it was High Rocks has such huge disparities of Athleton. Even when Christy went, there is nobody there because all the top athletes have already qualified. Right, but you just have to go by times because everybody, it's the same event everywhere. So you just go by times. And I do think Tia would win versus Christie, but not by a lot. Dude, every running event,

they're next to each other. Tia can just out sprinter in the end. Yeah, there's weightlifting stuff and but like, Christie's freaking analysts gonna. Spit her too. Like I said, like she's not going to make some. Yeah, it's and it's not like lifting, you know, cleaning 225. It's easy light stuff that everybody can do. Like Tia's not making time on her on that. You're you're right.

So I think I'd go Tia, Ricky, Jeff, James, Yella then if that is the case, this is probably one of our worst lists of all time. This is This is hard though, because I feel like we just don't know the sport of high rocks well enough to. Me. Educate. A lot of it is, yeah. The the problem, the hard hardly about high rocks is just because you're a good runner though, or good at the elements, the stuff.

If you can't recover from the. Run you're, if you can't recover from the run, it doesn't, you don't make as much time up and then you try to make time up on the stuff and then it impacts your running. So like a lot of times that's why the stuff doesn't matter because they run so fast that they all kind of like the elements are kind of recovery, like the row and the ski are just just get through it. You're 5-6 seconds. It's not that big of a deal.

It comes down to the burpee broad jumps and I think one of the sled pushes or pulls and that that's about it. And then running. That's all. And and it's and people can't fathom this like they see Ricky, do you know, a 455 and be capable of more right, because he kind of slowed down at the end. The people that win the high rocks race or the like the top five people that do the high rocks race, they are so much faster than Ricky for a long time.

Like they're running like sub four 30s like. What were they running? All of them. What did the Ricky run at the games during the run swim? Like a 6 minute. Adler was 555 S Ricky would have been like 558 because he had about 8 seconds to the water. It's over 3 1/2 miles, 558 the entire time. Whereas Hunter, Hunter's running 16 minutes on that, he's running 5 1/2 God. 5:30 and and he's not the fastest 1 he beats. Everybody at the stuff. You know, like these guys, these

guys. Well, it's good enough to where it matters. These guys are 5 foot 8 running, running 431K pace or you know mile paces but but one case and Hunter can just ski at 1:35 and row at 1:35. Won't do it next. Well, he doesn't. He doesn't. They never do it like they like. 150 is the best they but what? I'm saying is Hunter is so much better at that stuff. That's where he makes his time up because he just runs with those guys. But he's not the fastest one. It's just the little bitty guys

can't move the weights. And they have to slow down. They have to slow down for it most of the time. So all right, as we get into the last one last topic, want to say remind you all Lu Jianjun over get some lifters lift like Tia and then maybe it'd be as fast as her. The let me see. Let me pull this up during coffee pods and wads during around the whiteboard. Angelo the Chico and Jake Foster joined. Will Morad was too good for the show. He decided not to join. Join.

And during that, Jake Foster threw out a very, very interesting comment. So let's take a listen. This is a whole other topic. I don't think the methodology is strong enough to stand on its own without the games, and that I could I could explain that further, but. No, I think the game. The vehicle isn't it. The games is like the almost like the delivery. System well, look at look at the history of fitness, right? Like, I mean, I had a mentor tell me once that he went to a

conference and this guy. Sorry, one second Hyrox is now a methodology. Yes, it does. You can affiliate as a Hyrox gym and they have programming. That's what it's not. It's not called a methodology, but they have like. Structure. I think the gym growth of Hyrox is surprising to me, but I think it goes to show that like constantly buried isn't

entertaining for everyone. I mean, look at look at the growth of running post COVID, the most monotonous single modality, you know, type of activity that you could do. And it's taking off post, you know, during COVID and post COVID, it's kind of making a resurgence or a comeback. But what I was going to say, like the guy gets up in front of the conference with doing strength conditioning for like, I don't know, 30-40 years and looks at all the coaches.

And he said the only thing that's changed in strength conditioning in the last 100 years is you like, fitness swings on a pendulum, right? Like methodologies change over time. People prefer something over the other. Like it was always like constantly varied. I get to go CrossFit affiliate. I get to do different stuff all the time. And now it's almost like the things that are the same, like high rocks and running on its own are making a like a

resurgence in a comeback. People are being attracted to doing more monotonous tasks. So I think it just goes back and forth. So I don't. It's just confirming the point of like, I don't think Crossfit's methodology of constantly very functional movement execute at high intensity is good enough to stand on its own without the Games. CrossFit. Does Angela respond? Angela went early on, basically said I kind of agree and then kind of went with it. I don't know if Angela never

addressed it completely. Pedro I think spoke a little bit after that. But can CrossFit the methodology today? I think that's the key point today, Survive without the CrossFit Games. That's what's convoluted about Jake's answer is he he doesn't say it like that. He was, he sort of separates an issue and says like the methodology can't stand on its own. And like I've been telling I, I, I've been harping on this for like the past couple months now.

Like Crossfit's a religion. It is a religion. I think we should stop leaning away from it like it's not a religion. It is a religion and religions never die. Zarathustrianism has never gone away, and I bet you don't know what is What Zarathustrianism. No idea what you're talking about. Right. But it's still around. People still practice it. It's been it's the oldest religion ever. The the methodology stands on its own because it's more like, it's like saying math won't

stand on its own. Like nobody will ever practice it. It's like, yeah, it always works. CrossFit always works. What I don't like about Jake's argument is like he's like, look, everybody's doing the running. It's like, yeah, everybody did Ragnar or whatever like 5-10 years ago and there was all those and then everybody was doing Spartan Race and all this, all this Tough Mudders and that faded away and now you're seeing the second resurgence of it. It's but people come back. Why?

Why is anybody doing High Rocks? It's because CrossFit changed the gym culture forever. Training culture forever. And when that shit dies away, because it's going to, where are all those people going to go? They're going to go back to CrossFit gyms. They're probably never going to leave them anyway. Oh yeah, our gym does high rocks. I bet it's a CrossFit gym that also has high rock shit in it. John. Just like to say the Bible starts at the beginning of time.

So I would argue that that is the oldest religion, the Torah, Judaism, if you want to say that. But it's OK, we'll talk about a Persian prophet from year 1000 BC and call that the oldest religion. But you know, or whatever. I agree with your point even though did. You look up Zarathustra in the symbol. I was on my rant. No, no, I know. I know, I know a lot of useless

stuff. I'm I'm pretty good at regular Jeopardy. I might CrossFit Jeopardy might get me on freaking terms and conditions because Chase loves to do that, even though I know the answer too well for him. But regular Jeopardy, I'm all right. I agree with your point, I think. I think. All that argument, all that argument to say. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think too many people like CrossFit for it to go away. And yes, there's going to be like roller coaster of fads for

sure. But you know, people said CrossFit was going to go away and it was a fad when it was before it exploded and then it and then it exploded during the Rich Froning era. And I know that's the games and stuff, but I just think there are so many people in regular gyms, regular affiliates that have no idea what the games is. They have no idea. They know the games exist, but they don't know any of the people.

It's just this very small niche of people that if the games is everything and they love and, you know, it's all what they're all about, you know, we're in that niche, right? So many people in every single day gyms just go to CrossFit and get and you know, it's the best hour of their day. Not to quote Ackerman, but the, you know, they're bettering themselves. They're becoming their best self. And The thing is, it works.

I don't think there's anything better for the human body than CrossFit as far as getting healthy, as far as combating diseases, as far as all the Greg Glassman junk that I'm not going to recite, that Taylor knows way more than I know. And I'm not like an expert on methodology or anything. I don't no doubt on that stuff at all. But I think there's way too many people that are into it. And I think it is the single best thing for human health that it would. It will not go away for that

reason alone. I think there are more people who have lost 100 lbs in CrossFit gyms than any other gym known to man. And if that is the case, if there's if that is true, and I believe that to be true, there's no way that that is just going to fade away. So yes, I mean, Tyler put a weird spin on it. And instead of religion nobody cares about that's not that's the it's just some foreign God. But I couldn't agree more with what he said though. Like it's not going to go away

because. It's still it's the truth which is different. Which is different than what Tyler's saying, because it's the freaking truth, you know? Let's use Christianity instead of Zuto Zutarism. Whatever you say, let's use Christianity. It's not. It's not going away. You know why? Because it's the freaking truth. Like Jesus. That's what Tyler was trying to say. I want to bring up this comment here from Lupe. It will survive but not sure if

he means it literally though. Could he be trying to say thrive? I think that. He would have said Thrive. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. People, people understand what they want to understand, John and and we are very literal in our, our, our word understanding. Dave Castro said let me check on that for you. Which meant no way, right? Take the literal You think he's going to go check with somebody to see if you get a minute back? Thrive is a whole different

conversation. I, I agree with that. I'm not. And I'm not saying thrive. I think things have to change for it to thrive, and I know I don't know how to do that, but go ahead, Tyler. I think the problem with the CrossFit Games is the reason CrossFit is not thriving at the moment. If you grew up in CrossFit gyms from 2000, probably 8 through 2018, you knew what thriving was, and we're not in it.

And there's one thing that's different now, and it's the Games and it's the way the season's structured. But what if if the games was by itself and then they were talking about the games didn't exist? Correct. Yeah, I mean it, it was if the if the CrossFit Games go away, I mean, it could be in any different type of. Well, what I'm. Saying it's just not the CrossFit Games. They just separate it. There's the CrossFit Games company, and then there is the, you know, CrossFit.

If you call it the Games or fittest on Earth right? Not CrossFit. Right. Well, I mean, yeah, if it just separates, I think as I would just broker like like it's still the same thing. And I'd be like, this is the they're doing CrossFit, this is just the fittest on earth games or whatever you want to call it. Like if that if they separated that part of the bit, that part grew, it would only market CrossFit even more.

Well, what if they didn't? Yeah, but that's under the current understanding where they kind of pushed people into CrossFit gyms. Would that be true if the if the the games company didn't do that? Yeah, I think it would. I don't think people go to CrossFit gym. I know that this might maybe might be a hot take, but I I think a lot of people don't go in. It's no hotter than your hottest. They don't go in the CrossFit gyms because the Games pushes to go to an affiliate.

And I know they, like a lot of people, try to do that a lot. But I didn't go to CrossFit because, you know, the games pushed me to an affiliate. I was like, wow, Rich Froning looks like that and he could do all these really cool things. How to know who Rich is? How does he do that? I saw it on ESPN. Yeah, right. But it was tied to CrossFit. Right. No, but it was the CrossFit Games that I'm watching.

I'm saying I'm saying if the fittest on Earth is what I'm watching and like they just called it the fittest on Earth. That's the name of the competition. You're going to do research. World's fittest man. You know, just like strongman world's fittest man. That's what it's called if. I'm watching that. I'm. Saying if that grows, if that grows and I'm watching that from somebody who just hasn't seen anything, right? And that's what I see.

And I'm seeing all these people, you know, this guy can freaking handstand walk and then, you know, put 300 lbs over his head and then do a bunch of ring muscle ups and he looks how he looks and I'm like God, like that guy is freaking Superman. How does he right? But there's no but there's no tie back to CrossFit. No, but you freaking say we do CrossFit. Like you don't say go to an

affiliate. They it is CrossFit like and like when if you separate it as a company, if you separate it as a company, I don't understand why you can't just call yourself the CrossFit Games and like you're partner companies, you're two companies, but you're agreed that, you know, we're all in this together, but we're two separate companies. You operate how you want to operate you.

Operate how I want to operate. What if the CrossFit Games just goes away and it's left with Rogue and Wadapalooza and. Well, OK, well then let's call it Rogue because Rogue's probably the one to two rise. If that's the case, you're telling me Rogue would be would be against them saying this? We're doing CrossFit. The road couldn't say it. The athletes would. Yeah, I think it, I think it goes. It goes to, I mean I. Think it's big enough people know what you're doing bro like

it like. They It goes to the IT goes to Mr. Jump Ship. The evolution of the game's athlete did not help the CrossFit. You know. What does that mean? Like like you say that and and maybe and and maybe even if let's just say it's true, let's. Say what? What does it mean, John? What does he mean when he says this? Like the rich froning explosion whenever the game's. Way different, he's saying. That that didn't help the CrossFit brand if it is

understand. That no, I would say that Rich Froning's era helped the CrossFit brand. They all own gyms. They're most of them. Or red shirts. OK. Now this. They're too good. That's unrealistic to get. No, the game's athletes today have no tie back to the affiliates. No tie back to. Craig that the athletes have changed doesn't there's no return on investment for athletes or to the CrossFit gym for athletes now, right short of a couple Rich, you know, some of the old schools.

OK, well, I'm going to tell you right now, I didn't want to do CrossFit because they were at an affiliate. I saw them doing all these crazy stuff and I wanted to and I wanted to be able to do. That no but here. Here's what kept me Fast forward 10 years from now and you just see the athletes doing it. They've they've completely separated themselves from CrossFit. They don't consider themselves CrossFit athletes. They just consider themselves athletes, athletes who compete

for the fittest. Why does that have to be the case? Why would you not just say you're CrossFit athletes then you compete in the fittest man, you fittest man on earth. Because it just falls out of popularity. You don't say you're just training. It just becomes like a thing that I just train. I just do a lot of.

Disagree. I think you would still say I do. Cross, I don't think I, I don't think you, I don't think you realize how fast words fall out of favor because the brand doesn't push it. Right, it's, it's easy to say that you consider continue to say you do CrossFit, but that's the day I'm saying Fast forward 10 years from now when it's now 10 years removed. All the athletes that are competing have never competed under the CrossFit Games. They've competed under world's

fittest man or woman. They just do a competition and they do different, various, varied things and that's it, like I think. And then when you don't ask them, what do you do to get so fit, you're telling me they're going to say I just trained? They would, yeah. They'll, they'll, they'll probably say like in 10 years, they'd be like, you probably know, like what CrossFit is. It's something similar to that. Yeah. But like, people might not well know what CrossFit is anymore.

And at that point they'll say, well, I just do like a lot of different stuff. I run, but I also weight lift and I do. We'll go. They'll go back to explaining how we used to explain CrossFit. That's how you know it right now, John. But I get, I get what you're saying. I guess I disagree with that. People are going to just randomly forget that word. I don't think they bring it up. I don't think people would just forget to, I don't think. I think people would always bring it up.

I don't know. Let's see, let's start the papaya. Papaya. Better than you guys. Maybe, maybe Larry Young, Papa Young, it won't go away, but it's just Orange Theory without the games. I didn't agree completely. Do you know why everything is freaking hard to do? It's hard to do. You can't go to a CrossFit gym if you don't want to work hard. It's what I love about CrossFit is it's the freaking community. It doesn't matter how fit you

are. It doesn't matter how good you are, how where you came from, if you want to work hard and be and be a better you, that's everybody in a CrossFit gym. Orange theory is not that F 45 is not that that that's for people that want to say they're doing stuff that have no idea what real stuff is. OK, Like that's that's listen, that's soccer moms that are afraid to be strong. And I'm not saying that. And it's better than nothing.

It's better than nothing, right? It's way better to do Orangetheory than to sit on the couch. But what I'm saying is that Orange theory is not CrossFit because they don't know what intensity is. Their whole thing is to not be very intense. You know, like I just, I, I disagree so hard that like you can't do CrossFit if you are afraid to work hard, you can do Orange theory. I bet you there's a lot of lifting gloves in Orangetheory, right? You know, like it's, it's not the same.

If you were from outer space, John and somebody showed you. Cross. I'm not from outer space, I'm from here and every. But what if you were? But what if you were? It goes back to Hiller's point. They're the if you take out the CrossFit Games and you looked at crossfit.com and F45 training and you wanted to figure out where I should go, Why do I pick CrossFit over F45 if I have no idea what either of them are? OK, well then I would try both and then figure out who the real monsters are.

I'm going to the Marky Mark gym. Because I guarantee you there, you know what, if that happens there, they will eventually they're going to do shows where it's like there's going to be a person from F45, there's going to be a person from Orange Theory, There's going to be a person from CrossFit. And just like today's freaking shows, the Titan Games one versus 100, the freaking Crossfitter wins every single time because they're the best thing. It's the best thing. It works the best.

It creates monsters, man. It's, it's, it's the best for health. It's the best for physical fitness. It's the best of being a freaking freak right at like, I know there's a lot of people that are capable of it, but who did the 505 minute mile first? A freaking crossfitter because it's the best thing there is. And I'm telling you that's not going to go away because the games is doesn't associate from CrossFit anymore, right?

There's regular people everyday, regular people that are, that are the fitness freak in their friend group, in their friend group. This is what I have to tell. Like I tell my wife this, this is what I have to tell my girls this all the time. They get down on themselves because like they have a bad day and they're not training good. Like 6 people beat them in the workout. And I'm going to say when you go to work, when you go to Walmart, everybody looks at you like you're the fitness freak.

You're the thing that they can't touch, right? Because you do this every day and nobody else can. And that's what CrossFit is. And when they come the and the, the Orangetheory person, they don't have nothing on you. I, I pray for the day where Orangetheory comes to play with CrossFit because, and I'm talking about just Jim versus Jim, not not your best of your best. And you know how much of A beat down Orangetheory would get?

Get out of here. People aren't going to forget that just because the games doesn't associate anymore. I disagree so hard, right? I every single day I watch people murder themselves because they have this community full of people that also want to murder themselves so they can be better, you know, in life. And people who work hard in the gym are going to work hard outside of the gym.

It shows. I guarantee you I can go to any business and pick out the person who does Orangetheory and pick out the person who does CrossFit just by their work ethic. It's different, I'm sorry. I want Taylor to take that rant and do the music thing he does but do like a SpongeBob as F is for friends who do stuff together version of it. Dude, I hate when I like get going and I don't I I don't know when it's happening and I have no control over it.

And then and then like when I finally realized, man, you've been talking for a while. And then like, and then it's like, I've been talking for a really long time. Like it's like when I finally realize it, it's way too late. I've been talking for so long. Adam Ludlow JY has these moms ready to run through a brick wall. OK, I'll take my mom's verse. Anybody. No, I I think you're anyway. I think you're right, John. They're obviously looking at it from a different. 3530 million

cross fitters. That's the lens. They're they're. Looking at it from and I think you even made the comment about the college athletes who can't do basketball or football anymore, can't compete, they're going to go to CrossFit to do that, right, Because they can compete and they see an Ave. for that. You're looking at as building, you know, muscle Mamas and getting women fit and the general population fit, right?

So I, I, I think both help. I don't think the CrossFit Games is what holds up CrossFit. I think CrossFit would need to do a different marketing approach. What would that even be though? And how would it last more than saying we create the fittest humans on Earth? But I guess that's the tough part for CrossFit, to attract that type of person, right? The ultra athletic collegiate athlete No service member to Co do it.

Because there was more, we were on a higher, we were on a higher incline five years ago, 6-8 years ago, six years ago, seven, yeah. And that was because back. In the day. Six years ago was about the time where everything blew up. That was because the barrier to entry for people to think that they were elite was lower you.

There was a time in which the game's athletes seemed approachable because you knew so many people who were steps in between you and them, and you were close to their fitness. And that has done nothing but get hired that that gap has has grown more and more every year. The game's consolidating and making the season shorter and the athlete pull smaller has made it seem farther away. But people want to believe. People go to CrossFit gyms because they believe they can be

Rich frowning. Everybody's a freaking Jackass. Everyone believes if I work hard, I'll I might screw up and be as fit as Rich frowning. They look at Rich in this very religious way and think I can be that and they can't. Just like you can never be like Jesus, you'll never be like Rich Froney. That doesn't stop me from striving to try to be. Though, right? And that's, but that's the point. But we've made Jesus too far away now. We don't think we can be like them anymore.

Jesus is always there, man. He's at the door of your heart, just waiting. We used to think we could, though. We used to think we could, yeah. But now Jesus has like he's got freaking laser beams for eyes and he's got wings. That's Homelander. OK, Don't bring the boys into this. We've made it. We've made it too far away and that's that's the issue with the game season and how it's changed to me is we've made fitness unapproachable.

Fitness is already very unapproachable for most people and you have to lower that gap as much as possible. And that's what made local heroes who went to regionals, who went to these local competitions and threw down seems so cool. It changes the entire gym culture when you have people who make it to regionals or somebody in your city makes it to regionals. Do you know what Jen Smith did for Lexington, KY? No, everyone in Lexington knew who Jen was.

And they knew that she was like fit, but she was approachable. She was a normal freaking human. And they knew people who were just a step away from fitness from her. And they knew somebody who was just a step away from from fitness from that. And they were just a step away from fitness from that and made them feel like they could train. And that step is too high now. Yeah, I, I agree with that. I mean, I think they tried to solve it with quarterfinals. No one. Cares.

No one wants to. I'm not. I'm not, no. No, no, I, I know that Tyler, but I think, you know, they wanted to make quarterfinals a can't like it's not, it's not, it's a step under regionals, but it is, you know, you got to be fit to get there. And then I think they ruined it with the top 25%, right? Top 10%. That was something that was hard to get. And like you got to be pretty darn fit to be top 10%. You got to be able to do all the stuff. Like you can't just be fit and

get and get there. You have to do be able to do all the gymnastics and stuff. And the semi finals is too hard. Semi finals is like way above regionals. And I agree with everything you're saying. I think if they made quarterfinals top 10% and I get what they're doing, I get they probably for money. But if they made it 10% but then really went out of their way to make it a big deal to make the 10% and I don't know how you do that. I don't know how you do that.

I hear they're looking for new marketing people. So maybe they can help with that, but. It's so easy. I think I think it would help a lot. The cool thing about regionals was it was it was close, but it seemed like this big thing and it really wasn't a big deal. Like you rented out, you rented out to the Mexico Center and that's all it was.

And it was it was the accumulation of everybody in your local three to five state range and they all went there and it made it seem like it was this big deal. And quarterfinals doesn't have that appeal. It doesn't have that sex appeal of like, what's funny, steaming. Like semifinals should have more of that appeal. Like if you really think about it like they should hype semi finals up so freaking much. Semi finals is literally the

NFCAFC championship. Yeah, but you have to travel from Michigan down to Florida or, you know, Boston down to Knoxville, like. That's. Minnesota to Carson and spend several $1000 to go do. That, you know, like. People, That was the thing though. Like the same. Thing about you could go, you could go to regionals, you could. Go to regionals, you could see your, you could see the athletes, like how many times were there competitive groups in the gym, right?

They just kind of got pretty good and it was like, hey, you can go to the competitive class instead of the regular class. God I remember competitors classes. And they would be like, they would be finishing up when the, you know, the 5:00 class would show up and you'd see all these monsters in there doing it. You're like, Oh yeah, that guy used to work out at the 6:00 AM class he got. Now he's here. And this, these, this group of athletes are going to be our team for the the open and and

regionals, right? There is that everybody from the gym goes because it's not very far, but they also know people and guess what? While they're there, they see Scott Panczyk and they're like, who's that? What do they do? And they're now a new fan of the sport. Now take that away. Now take that away and then add eight years on top of that and wonder why no one goes to these events. You took away the bottom. Why would anyone go? Would you say the same thing for like Taurian in Brazil?

Because there's they're pretty successful. They're low level athletes, John. Ricky Garrard. No, I think. Well, not Ricky. I think if you look at the the the team competition of semifinals, I think it's a lot like it used to be. I think they're just like Europe is probably five years, six years behind the States and the kind of the trajectory of the sport. Australia's probably the same way, right? Like do. You think they're in their 2018

moment. Like there's still like the, the mayhem teams that go out there and they're super teams that are going to go qualify. But I, I think if you looked at the other 2726 teams that qualify for the, the, the Oceana Region semifinal, they're affiliate members. They're not super teams like this. No, no, I feel yeah. Well then. But they've, if they have a passion, like Europe's got a passion, Australia's got a passion, South America's Got a passion that we used to have. And they have.

But you're saying they have that. They're in their 20, they're in their glory. Days they're. In the 2018 phase, right, Then why don't we just take the games out to those places and it would be the environment would be great and I know we don't get the games here if we do that, but. I would say the games out to those places just because the environment would be amazing and then you have different type of games, things to play with each year, right, and then that.

Was what three years from now is. Yeah, that's that's three years from now, bro. Like, like, like, but but, but Australia and then Australia and Europe catch up to America and all of a sudden, and, and I'm just saying in like depth of field, not, not top of the top depth of the field for people start choking me out. And then all of a sudden America's not good at their own sport anymore. And now we're like basketball. And then all of a sudden we get passionate again.

Go go look at the teenagers leaderboard. The the Americans are at the top, but like 10 through 20 or 10 through 30, all international athletes. Really. Like there's some internationally athletes at the top, like Lucy Mcgonigal got third. But like as I was kind of going through the list like it was just international athlete after international athlete, like it was wild do.

You think that. So if you use my theory about fitness and elite fitness seeming approachable, that's why I call like my whole theory on this like the illusion of eliteness. It's because people want to feel elite. They want to feel special, but they're like, you got to dangle it to where? Just barely. You're absolutely right, Tyler. I just. Don't think that.

Do you think that Europe, so you think that Europe and and Australia sort of have that where it just seems a little bit more approachable right now or no? Maybe to make the games or to make semi finals? Make semi finals, yeah, 'cause that's their games, that's their big moment. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think to make semi finals, yeah. For sure, yeah, it's reachable. It appears to be reachable for for many.

Like if you're pretty darn fit, but you're not any type of like freak or anything, it's it's reachable. So here's the 16 to 17 year old boys. Well. I like seeing a South African. Up there RR JS from a town right next to me, so there's 3456 in the top 11 from the States and then it's just international. Wow. Like I mean. That was crazy to make that trip for the teen. Right, it's not at the. Game 'cause it's like. Their own competition. It's nobody but your parents,

you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know, you could say you're the 2nd fittest 17 year old in the world and that's pretty cool. KO, I wonder how you say that name. Their website is very slow. Sub Subbiano. Subbiano. Yeah, there's AO Subbiano. And his brother Kulani, they're twins. It's got like a clan of five. They were. They were in the the program's crown last year, something like that, so. Matt, people at my are you Australian, Matt? But also people at my gym now

say I want to make semifinals. People at my gym used to say I'm going to make the games. I remember when I found it. I remember I found it in 2012. What the girls have a few more from the States, but. Remember I used it. In 2012, the first year I was like, oh there's 26,000 people, I'm fit. And then I did the first open work and I was like Nope not. Fit. I'm not fit. Nope. That was fun while it lasted, but I discovered.

CrossFit and I was like, I think I can get to that lifting that, those numbers and then I did, it was super easy. I don't know. I don't know why more people don't do that. I didn't look at it fitness wise. I didn't. I never thought I could run what they did. I did think I could do 333 because Rich walked, but no, I was like I think I can get to that. I don't know how to do those movements, but I think I can figure it out and and get get where I can get there.

Get the strength side of it, Larry Young, even though it'll never happen. What CrossFit has is if you actually got super fit, you can compete. It's the only thing like that without the Games, that's gone. There's other competitions you can compete at. Fair enough. People want the spectacle. People want to feel special. Well, that's it. Wrong one. Hold on, Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Before you, before you. Don't. Don't go. Don't go away. Hold on. I'll be right back.

Where am I going? Everybody. Everybody just. Hang out, hang out, he. Did this on on Sam on show too. Can everybody hold on a minute? He's like, yeah, there's only like right now. We only have 590 people waiting for John to come back. All right, well, we got all the teens's sponsor. It's a big announcement. Man, everybody's waiting John, I'm sorry, I'm sorry my we only lost 3 viewers so. My wife wanted me to reveal this. She is now making bats. Bats.

If anybody. If anybody wants a bat, OK, look at that. If you're a fan of Hiller's and you want a bat to support him, go ahead and and get one. They are now on the site. She messaged me 9 times to show the bat throughout the show so I was waiting for that time but OK that was it. I'm sorry. And then even if you hate Hiller, you can buy it and then use it like you like. Stab it every time you. Yeah, you. Can use it as a as a voodoo bat. Yeah. Or, or yeah, my dad makes a good

point. Or just Halloween, you know it's coming around the corner. Yeah, JY barbell. But then of course, there are the plushies. Colt Mertens, Austin Hatfield, the The Humper Bunny. Look at all these. There's the bat, The No Rep Bat plushie. It's good. Mustard Seed Crochet Co. It's in my Instagram if you don't know where it's at. So go support John, buy a shirt, buy a plushie. I need to start selling stuff. We appreciate it. Yeah. Tyler, do you want a a thing? I can make you a thing.

What do you want? Oh, I don't. I say I I can ask my wife to make you a thing. What? What is the What? Would your mascot be? Yeah. If you had a thing, what would it be? I have no idea. Well, you should figure that out man A. Computer a computer. I just meant that I should sell stuff, period, like T-shirts or something. But you went to. You went to. Sorry, that's their show. Make sure you support frog grips. I saw somebody comment that maybe the the code's not

working, so I'll check that out. It'll be up hopefully tomorrow and then get some lifters, lose ajun, do that and then of course, man to sleep. Guys. What do you think about the show? Good, bad, indifferent. I, I think this one was a 10I. I I don't know what you're going to do, but I think it. I, I, I don't know, let's see. I don't think it was ground breaking. No, it was very. It was very just. Vanilla, yeah. Just vanilla. All right, we'll do our better.

Do better next time. You know I called you Jesus. I rich. Thanks buddy. Rich calls you vanilla for. That. That's great. All right, guys, we'll see you next week.