J.R. Howell joins to talk Syndicate Crown Programming; WFP Thoughts, CrossFit Semifinals & More

Welcome Thursday afternoon edition of the Spin Yeah day Later. Unacceptable. What are you talking about? Is that really the? Is that really the Jason Hopper? No one will ever know you need a check mark. Jason, is it? Is that like the Scott Pan chick? No, I think that's the real one that. Was really Scott? Dude, yeah, it's definitely

really Scott too. I love how he commented on Instagram that that was not me. Like it wasn't like it wasn't, you know, he. Had no idea until I put that clip up. Yeah. Welcome day off. I figured we'd catch up. There's way too much to talk about. Mr. Jr. Howell will be joining us at some point here. His daughter had a little bit of a Boo Boo and he had the good deal with that. So hopefully he'll get here sooner than later. We'll talk about some of that. Well, I'll do some special blind

rankings. It will keep Jr. for that. I think you might appreciate that We'll answer the. Question. Big fan of blind rankings. Oh, I'm sure he'll love it. Do we hate the WFP? We'll answer that question for you. Barry Mccochner wants to know a good question. Where is your WFP gear? The good answer is. Not an on would. A. Would a hater wear WFP? I actually think we're three different levels on that question. Do you? Yeah. And it's definitely from left to right, but we'll get there when

we get there. Be like It'll be like a political show. It'll be everybody thinks we. Can. No, no, no. I think you're a Republican. May you think so. OK, All right. And then we'll talk about some semifinals and penalties and whatever else in the CrossFit world that we feel like talking about. See. Meandering show. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. Whenever Jr. shows up, we will know we're we're always late. It's. Just 24 hours and 2 minutes. That's right. Yeah.

We might be jumping around. We may have a special guest later on. I don't know. We're trying to pull something off here. We'll see. All right. As always, though, we'll start with viewer comments. Go subscribe. This is your reminder again. We'll never get to 10,000 if you don't subscribe by watching. All right. Well, since I was out last week, you guys generated quite a few comments. The comments, the volume of comments was crazy.

Yeah, it was a good job guys. I had a lot to choose from. It's hard to choose from a lot of them. It's because I didn't look at the comments last week. They were like, all right, now ours. Now's our chance. Yeah, yeah. I watched that back and I was like viewer comments. You read 1, then you're like, all right, we're up. Thanks. Dude, he struggled on that one too. That one took 5 minutes.

But you know, when you have the the most accurate representation of CrossFit fitness ever known to man, it's going to it's going to bring some comments there. Natalie, that's a good question. Do we ever buy Tyler a baby present? No, we're just going to give him cold hard cash so he can buy whatever. I'm jealous. Of that I told. I told. Tyler, I said. Look. You're going to buy a PlayStation. I said to put something on there and then she's like everybody had bought everything by then, so.

I it will go to diapers and all the diaper, diapers and C. Four and what's you're on Rockstar these. Any updates on that? I'm trying to work on our Rockstar sponsorship by the way. Would you any updates? Yeah. We'll see if I disappear. Do you know what's? Happening I'm talking about the Rockstar sponsorship, not I don't care about I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding I'm just kidding I'm just kidding. But it's it's, it could happen like at any moment, right in. Fact.

Literally. Yeah, are. We talking about Rockstar or the baby? The baby, yeah. Yeah, OK Jason Hopper enjoyed hanging with Tyler this weekend. I actually took my sunglasses off so people knew who I was, unlike others. I actually love that dude. I freaking loved. It. How did how did Hillary pull

that off? We should we should he should take like he should have had like secret videos like I'm in The Cave, but but like and then show Bruce Wayne like entering Wayne building and like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like and people don't know who he is. That's his disguise. He should have filmed it that way. Like the whole the whole reel that like you get when Batman leaves the bat cave, like he fires up his Jeep, like all that stuff.

It's like this man is Batman's disguise like, and then that's what Hitler should have had done. Could you guys tell by the footage? I don't know that he was there all three days. I think he just snuck in for one day and left. I think it was Friday. I don't go ahead. There was 1 moment where I thought I saw him and then like I turned around and that person was gone and I was like my head's just fucking with me and then I was and then like. I saw that he was there and I was like.

Did I see? Him and you know he saw you, so you'd be like. You know what's crazy is like all it would take is one person to recognize him. It's over. And then it's over because people would start talking like, how did you see Hiller? And then it'd just be everybody would be talking about it. Big thank you. What's? Up, Andrew. All right. Yeah, but you're not, you're not the regular fan. I think I've been more like, I can't believe Hiller's actually

at this. Yeah, big thank you to Sarah Cox for let me hang out in the VIP suite. We'll, we'll. Definitely have to get to that after we read the comments. All right, first one at Dave Dad versus dad bod 8188. I'd honestly pay for a show with Caleb Bryson. I mean, they're super chats. We can do this. I think they do that. On a way you see meaning Caleb and Bryson or?

Caleb and Bryson, OK, OK, yeah, those two guys, yeah, super chat it. I think once you saw the show you might ask for a refund, but we could. We can do it. Though it's it, there's no refunds, so go for it. Let's see at Martin's Juno. This Sea Beaver guy doesn't know anything about CrossFit as a sport. I don't think he claims to. Yeah. We we were. We were. We were.

We were. Short on people, guys like we to. Get some however, at sea Beaver wanted to say no, but I know a lot about your mom. Seems like a nice lady but I'm not calling her back so boom roasted at Carter Peterson 7 James over Dallin referring to your games mountain. Yes, U2F is going on in here. I'm telling you what's going to happen. I think we should. I think I should start going by John Stradamus from now on because, because if I put it out there, that's what's going to happen.

You guys will start listening sooner and later. Yeah, yeah, we'll get to this at Misha 1147. More mountain talk. Humiliating mountain of mud I don't care about online puts Meiha over Brooke both because of what they did online well. When that's all I have to go off of, you tell me the in person competition that Brooke did where she deserves to be ahead of Meiha. There's not. 1. There's not one. I bet you she regrets not doing Mayhem now. I mean I I hope she does syndicate but.

I hope so. You know, right now Juan's got a games ticket and won, won the online semi finals now that they all the penalties have come out, which is wild. Yeah. And I think she's earned that spot on the bottom row of the mountain. Yeah, I mean, she looks very, very good. And and I mean, those are hard. Those are hard events. Or you know, like, it wasn't like they were open workouts.

Yeah, and it's not that it doesn't matter at all, it's that the IT matters less than what Mayhem in person is. Does that make sense? And like, I look at the World Fitness Project and I will get to it 'cause I said that didn't matter either. I'm saying it does not rogue, it's not Wadapalooza. It's not one of the biggest CrossFit Games events there is, even though it has a huge talent

pool. I, I'm aware, but clearly, like, you know, when you got Veldner and Laura being 70% of themselves, it's not as serious as I would say, like the three biggest competitions that we had or people vying for their game spots like they were at mayhem. So I the in affiliate the online semi final matters. World fitness project matters, but at a lesser rate than those other ones do. That's what I'm referring to when I say it doesn't matter.

It's like when I say I don't care about the people that don't matter All of a sudden when freaking one of the Syria Miha wins the online semi finals. Oh, shoot, you all of a sudden matter. I should probably figure out what the freak you're about like, you know, you know what I'm saying? But if you're 32nd and somebody says you have potential, I don't care about you until you show me that you mean something. And that's that's how that work.

I don't know why people have a like or have complicated this or have a hard time understanding this. Me either, the mountain is so simple. The mountain is fair. It is. And you tell me. You tell me, you guys tell me. OK, you put Brooke and and Syria. We got it. We need to figure out how to say it. I think it's Syria. Syria or Syria? I like Syria a lot better, Sercia. That's Sercia. Definitely not Sercia. You tell me which one's done

more for this this year? Which one's deserving of being higher this year for what they've done this year? Yeah, Fergie for $1.99. What is the favorite Knoxville restaurants? I bet it's within 5 miles of McDonald's, but I'm not sure from there. OK, so here's what you want to do you the best restaurant in Knoxville is actually in Clinton, which is not in Knoxville. You want to go to Big Ed's Pizza in Clinton? There you. Go I need to I need because we we're still confused here.

Royal Fitness project was far superior talent. Why swat of pollutants and women in men's fields not even close. Tanner, you're right. I think this comment is biased because you were there, but it you people the prize at the end of it is not $100,000. Half of the field is not like not trying. Everybody is peeking out for this competition. Everybody wants to be great. People are just showing up for a paycheck. Tanner, it's big time different. And yes, the fittest of the

world are still there. They're still competing like I'm not. I think half of it and Tyler, Tyler said this earlier, I think half of the field is competing and half of the field is just there for their paycheck and that's fine. But that I don't maybe it was, it was Bryson, I thought you sounded good, but that's a different competition. Whenever you're like people are trying and people aren't trying, then you're the people who are

trying. Your lowest spot you're going to get is like 11th place because they're all the 10 are not trying and I know you're trying Tanner, but you're not fit enough to matter yet in a. Competition, that's. Like that and maybe you'll get there one day, but right now you don't make a difference in those kind of competitions. But I hope you do one day. Tanner. I love you. Tanner. You're you're you are you are great there. You go Tanner. Was it both?

And what place did you come in in both those competitions? Because I'll ask Dallin and I bet Dallin gives me a different answer. So if you 2 are giving me different answers, what's that mean to you? Dallin's a liar. Well, let's let's get off of it. You're great. You're great, Tanner. Go look at Tanner. Let's see Misha continues 3 day competition with literally all the big names in the sport. Not a single word on it. Pathetic in quote. They won't try because they get paid over.

Get over yourself and admit when you're wrong. Love the show and watch every week but this was just all just very childish. Is this US transitioning? I I was jumping 2 topics. I feel like you should. We should have two different viewer. Comments. This was 2. This was 2 comments by the same viewer. No, no, no. He's. No. Are we are we switching sections? Here to do we hate the WFP he's saying I. No, this is this is, this was a

comment by Amisha, Frankie said. I know Spin is so pissed that the WFP is going really well even though he's going to pretend it doesn't bother him. Remembering COVID, you remember, I'm sorry, you remember during the 49ers game when everything was like, yeah, we should definitely do go to the 49ers game. And then it was like, oh, maybe maybe we should watch the 49ers game from the, you know, the,

the cheap sheet seats. And then it was like, oh, maybe we should watch it from the parking lot. And it's like, oh, maybe the 49ers suck sometimes. That's what happens. Well, I'll answer the question. I'm not sure I'm pissed, but yeah, well, I will, I think. I think, I think you would have rather them not be great. Is that fair? To say, oh, you mean you're saying we're bias? No, just what you want to happen. No, I still, that's what I'm

saying. I was watching Clydesdale on my way home and he had Kotler on and I asked some questions about it. And I I think between listen and we'll get more into it. But I think listening to train think tanks show that was what was that put out this morning and hit listening to Kotler and everything I've started to hear like when they talk about and what I've been seeing of what athletes are doing, it's starting to turn into what my fear is. And I'll, I'll explain it later.

So just stay with me. Oh God. I'm here for it, I'm here for it and I'm gonna tell y'all right now. Spin is absolutely correct. I don't know what what we're talking about, but Spin is absolutely correct. And what he's going to say, it doesn't. You could still have your opinion, but I'm not. Gonna have your opinion but

you're wrong. All right all right, we got a CrossFit not cringe story, so it's a little long, but I think it's definitely worth it. So you gotta stay with me the account the account user is the pen is blue one or the penis blue one. I'm not sure which one it is, but the pen is blue one is the one I'm. Gonna go with That's a good one. All right, CrossFit, not cringe. This is wild. So first day at a new gym, 5:00 AM class and I plan to get there like 15 minutes early to get my

waiver signed account activated. I did take him two weeks off of training which means I was eating like crap. As I drive to the gym the pre workout starts brewing in my belly, mixing with two weeks of bad decisions. When I park at the gym, nobody is there yet. I'm running around the gym in a panic trying to find a safe place to relieve myself. There wasn't one at this point, there isn't enough time to leave.

The end was near. I got back into into the back seat of my forerunner and filled a large McDonald's cup to the brim with the unspeakable. At this moment, people start. Pause, pause. I. There's no way I could trust myself to land in that small of an area, especially like if it's explosive, you're blowing out everywhere and I'm definitely not doing that in the Forerunner. It's not it's not their first time, Tyler. This ain't the first rodeo.

I don't want to say anything, but I am the person that put. That I'm just kidding. Your pen is blue. No, I'd never come. Let's see, at this moment people start showing up to the gym. I panic to pull up my shorts and get out, but the child locks her on so I have to crawl to the front seat and get out, all while people are walking past me to go inside. I left the hot shake in my truck and went inside to be greeted by the owner who hands me the iPad

to get my membership started. After 30 seconds, I politely excused myself to clean up the train wreck in my pants. Nobody ever suspected what actually did that, what I did that morning in the parking lot and I never spoke of it. Oh yeah, I threw the hot shake in a public trash can on my way home. This guy's out there. He's roaming around, he could be anybody, and he's listening to this show. I'm going to tell you something. I think all of them did, No. And nobody just said anything.

Yeah, Everybody's just cool. They're like, yeah, this dude smells like. He's one of he's from one of those like colonies. Like he's. Like. Yeah, I think Crossfat got it right. Yeah. I don't know how you how you do that. Yeah, you got to wear like, like super thick Cologne the next three weeks to make people forget. That's so that was Gabe's burner account. We figured it out. Totally can relate. So eat clean. I think it's the moral of the

story there, all right. I've never had that issue. Pre workout responsibly, folks. Yeah. Where do you want to go next? We got like 7 minutes I think until Jr. Hopefully will be able to to join us. Do we want to get knee deep into WFP stuff? I think that's going to last longer than 7 minutes. I you want to go blind rankings and then we'll go Jr. and then we'll dive into WFP. Semifinals Penalties. Or we can do that, yeah. Semifinals penalties can probably be pretty quick.

Semifinals, penalties, I think they're done with them as far as men was light. Men. The men were. The men were light. Yeah. Semifinals penalties Brick Wells, top 11 out. Olivia Kursetter, top 11 out. Who else was it? Kyra Milligan who? Got there, Caroline Stanley was out, got penalized out, Kyra Milligan got bumped up until they then naked her score. So she is out and now we have a top, a top 11. Guys, Miriam von Rohr. Holding it down and.

That's why I said her name correctly, because she is now a CrossFit Games act. She's earned it. She's earned me saying Miram, Miram out of second. She sucks. We're going to go back to a hard H Miram. Here. We go era Lowen got penalized and that put Sriracha on #1. Sriracha, you better. Put respect on her name. Did you all watch her videos? Yeah. Yeah, I watched to make sure, like. She moved properly. She moved. Clean all of them. He's legit.

Man, I mean, I don't know, she doesn't look like a whole lot bigger either. I mean, I'm not going to. I know I'm not like the expert in P people doing some stuff, but she doesn't look like she's done some stuff, you know? She just, I mean, it could just be time, man. Like she just finally hit that hit that precipice. Thing she I'm not I'm not saying she is legit, but she looks legit and now live competition's far different.

I'm it's not like I'm going to put her high up at like my games rankings when I we make them, but she looks legit. So I'm not going to speak poorly on her until poorly comes upon her. But the yeah, dude, I'm excited to see her. Where's she from? Albania. Albania. That's right, Annika Greer, Albania, not 12th place, so that's good. Yeah, my opinion on Annika has not changed at all. If you run, if you run at the games, then what are we then She, is she, what's she going to

be? I mean no offense, but if it was at 24 games. Last place it. Would not be good. She would be underneath Laura, who quit in three events. Yeah, Maddie Sturt. No surprise. Danielle Brandon, were you surprised that? No, no penalties on her cleaning jerks. What was wrong with them elbows? Everybody was starting to get angry on the the jerk that it was made a full lockout or is it was a little bit. No, I mean, I think people are being a little bit too anal in

that circumstance. I, I don't, I, I think it's fine. I think she's fine. I I going back up I, I agree I, I did not think that that was one that warranted a penalty. I was surprised that Ariel's score was not hit as hard. But with that, we're going to stop talking about all of that. We'll. Come back to that. Yeah, we'll come back to that. We'll do that later. What's more important is Mr. Jr. Howell. Welcome to the show. What's up? What are we?

What did I miss? Who fell off the mountain? Who's? No, we're actually going to repeat this Crossfitter cringe story that I think, I think, I think, I think you, I think you can relate to honestly, Jr. Is Jr. Pen is blue it? Could be Did you? Have you ever gone to a 5:00 AM class and the pre workout and your bad bad habits of eating catch up with you and you have to take a dump in a McDonald's cup? Oh, we know it's your.

It's McDonald's cup. Nope, not Jr. It's not me, by the way, Jr., this is a random. Story has to be about. I was about to say it has to be about John. If it's more if it's McDonald's. No, I have the stomach of iron. OK, I nothing happens. You only eat like three things. And and they work. Beautifully for it. We don't have a stomach of iron. Well, we don't know what kind of stomach I had. It's not about me, Jr., OK? Let's let's move on. First off, Jr., your daughter, all right.

Yeah, 6 stitches good as. Not bad. Yeah, let's be the story. She she split it up and pretty good, just right under the chin. That's a good one. It was a lot of blood that that that's what freaked her out. So it kind of sent her into a panic. I'm just glad I was there because I'm like super calm. And if my wife would have been there, it'd just been Becca. I mean, when she walked into urgent care, she just immediately. Started crying so.

Yeah, my youngest, I guess he was probably 5 or 6, was skipping around on Halloween one Halloween night and tripped over the like one of the little mats we have and hit his eye right above, like here and like, it bleeds a lot. And it was Halloween night. So yeah, that was a fun. I have that. I have that same spot. I, I stole a ball from a guy in a basketball game and hit the shit out of his head and his head split open on the top and

my eye split open. Went and laid it up and everybody was just looking at me like what, What are you doing? And it was just like gushing blood, but I couldn't see it 'cause it wasn't in my eye. And I was like, why is everybody stopped? They were like, well number one, you found the shit out of him and your eyes open. Welcome boys on the right. You guys will be there soon enough. Yeah. Yeah, Tyler's any minute now. You'll be freaking out about cutting their toenails, you know.

Yeah, that'll be good. All right. Well, the reason we had you jump on you actually you're. Talking about you want to talk about cutting toenails that is all right. Well, yeah, we can clip that. Yeah, we're. Talking about buttered sausage. Dude, Leslie. Leslie clipped Abby's fingernails. I don't know. I went for toenails, fingernails and like got her finger a little bit and like started in like blood actually extremely hard to cut their toenails. That's why I said.

That and I knew you. Weren't going to do it. I knew it. Was and yeah, and she, she got blood came up and then Abby started screaming and she's like, she's like, I don't. Know what to do I was. Like well. Maybe don't clip her nails? Until we like, we can. I don't know. Like wait till she's 5. Yeah, wait till her appointment. And then, and then she's and then she went to clip the dog's nails and they ran away from her heart while the dogs were not about it. Nail clipping day.

You guys hadn't paid attention. It was Wednesday, yesterday. Obviously that's when big news comes out and that's why, of course, we didn't do the show. But the workouts, the events, they're here. They're here. Mr. J Howard programmed them so. Dude, I didn't talk. I they never even came up, not once. I'm I'm I'm offended at the text messages. Honestly, quite frankly, proudly, I was offended of. Them made it buddy. We're proud of you. Yeah, I didn't. Get any?

I didn't get any direct messages about leaks that were actually true. So that was nice. And I, to be honest, I mean, Wilson's known the workout since December. The testing people have known them since maybe January at the latest. Like all the the staff, like the scoring, the judges, so many people have known for so long that it's made me really, really anxious. So it's nice to know that people are trustworthy. Except me, who you know needs to

plan the production. But it's a whole different issue. What? What's funny is you, you had sent me the workouts what, like that morning or that night or the night before. And so I was getting it ready. But I was curious if Wilson was going to mess up and put him on the website early and he did not get him password protected till the last minute. Dude, Wilson. Wilson's like, on top of it,

man. He, he told me, he told me that specifically on Wednesday morning, he said, hey, here's your, here's a link to the website that like here's the code and it will not go live until after 12. So that spin doesn't get him early. Yeah, No, he was. He thought of you Spin. I checked. I. Found the URL even though there wasn't a link to it. I found it and I sent a screenshot. I. Was trying. I said well played. He was on the phone with or we

were on a call with him. When he when you did that, he was like, I freaking told you he's going to do this. Hey, I mean Norcal, they they put stuff out there didn't think anybody would check their website and I did. So you know, it happens, the events Friday. Heavy Isabel. Yeah. And let me just say, let me just interrupt you real quick. Spin. I mean he. Made it 5-4. What started out, what's what I mean, go ahead and go to the first lot.

What started out is like, I mean, I built the whole competition off of this workout. The whole thing. Really. This is the. One, it kind of needed to be. Dude in in November, in November, I texted Bill and Chase and I said right after Rogue and I said, hey, you guys, you know, they did like 30 sandbag Queens per time. What do you think about, you know, Rogue has done 30 cleaning jerks per time. What do you think about doing 30 snatches like Heavy Isabel, like

Rich and Matt did? Like in a competition, He's like, I think it's cool for a strength workout, not for a finale. It's a little bit slow. And I was like, cool. And so I right then I was like, I'm going to do this. Obviously someone who actually. Did it? That AdvoCare had the same idea.

And then from then on it becomes everyone's done it and everyone's tired of it. And now every time I see this workout or think about this workout, I just get angry and I cannot tell you how glad I am that it's Event 1 and I don't have to think about it anymore. I'm sorry man, I, I, I feel for you. How? Crazy is that it sounds like everybody was kind of thinking about it. It's like even even Castro and Bosman, I think, I really think two people were thinking.

About it. And then it made everybody want to do it. I wonder too, like my knowledge like Bos and Dave didn't get our workouts early. Just like hey, let me see what you guys got. You know, if I were them, I would want to know just because I'm a nerd. But like, I, I wonder too, if, you know, Dave's doesn't know me at all and knows Rich really well. If he was like, what are you guys doing at Mayhem? And he sent him and he's like, oh, Eddie, Isabel's cool. Maybe we'll do that.

But you know who? Knows, I think, I think David in one of his week reviews said that they were kind of actually toying with the idea ahead of time and then heard it and they're like, then they had a discussion about do we change it? Do we keep it? And the decision was, let's just go ahead and keep it. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure how I feel about the same workout all the way across from that. I I do agree that having it as a finale was it Wadlin Fest that did it as the finale. Yes, yes.

Yeah, it was not as exciting as you would hope for a final event. Yeah. Yeah. And, and honestly too, like this is a good time to bring up all you people that think we need to have uniform programming. Remind yourselves how sick and tired you get of, of seeing the same workouts for four or five straight weeks. And we've only seen this one at almost all of them. I would be surprised if if Torian did it. I'd be surprised if Asia did it. I think Rebel will do it because.

They just announced it. It was like and then some, some of those same ones rather doing the 303030 workouts. So that's just. 2. Like it's a lot more fun when people do their own thing and one or two maybe that are consistent is OK. Especially I think if it's a strength workout, it's good to know that aw man, that guy's really weak overhead. He just got lucky that it was a clean jerk ladder or a clean ladder and not a snatch ladder because he wouldn't be going to the game.

So in a way, I think that it being the strength workout is is a good thing. But I think this goes to show you how tiring it can be. Well. And I think. Especially when some of the same athletes are doing it, you know what I mean? Because it's not like, like, you know, athletes get to go to multiple things and they do it and they did and they did it in the in affiliate one too, which makes it like OK, like. Yeah, like, like Olivia Kerstetter has to do it this weekend at TFX. And I know.

She's going to win it. Like sure. Yeah, and I mean, you know, we'll get to it with these events, but I don't believe in coincidences that are this broad. But there for a little while, like after Fibonacci, the overhead walking lunge was the thing. People would do it. People did it in elimination style workouts. People, people just love the overhead lunge. They loved it. Then it went away. It went away for years. Wadlin had a single arm.

Mayhem had a single arm. French Throwdown had an axle bar. I have dual kettle bells. An affiliate has dual dumbbells. Come on. World Fitness Project has the finale. Had doubled. You can't just I just don't believe that all these programmers just all of a sudden this year was like, you know what, we should bring back the overhead lunch. I think people talk a lot more than they than they admit, but I kind of wish I was one of those dudes because I don't talk to anybody.

That's this is a good point right here. I would I would actually push back that maybe Taurian will do a classic like back. Out. Or like lift, yeah. So I mean, who doesn't want to watch Gee and even guys like Jake Douglas, like super strong too. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure he's in the field, right? So. Yeah, all the, all the. Pyrotechnics and everything too. I mean, that's an electric atmosphere. Everyone wants to watch people lift heavy. So. I I just want some spotlights.

Yeah, I think when like the other news that came out this week about the last chance qualifier, I think a lot of people said why did you just give 12th place to the last chance qualifier? I think goes to your point of it's the same programming, right? Like my concern when Heavy Isabel was going to be programmed every time is like somebody like Emily Rolf is going to struggle to get in because of that one strength

workout. Right. And I get that the semifinals have used to be, you know, last year was the same program and all across the board. But when you go to the sanctional type structure and athletes are to have some type of options available like you would expect them to be able to have. Maybe I'll like a different type of programmer or, you know, over the over the years, you can go somewhere else.

The Last Chance qualifier gives these athletes a different path, different workouts, still testing them in a different way, but they're not limited to buy 30 heavy snatches. I think one of the workouts for last chance qualifier is going to be heavy Isabel. I sure hope not. I disagree. I'm I'm, I'm kidding. I thought, I didn't think you guys would take me seriously, but you did. So let's just move on, all. Right heavy, Isabel. I don't think there's too much

to talk about. Good news is it's the first one like Jr. said, so we'll move on. Friday afternoon Regionals Revenge the Hundreds 100 slash 80 calorie Echo bike 100 toes to bar, 100 bar facing burpees 100 front squats at 115 slash 85 lbs. A long workout. Yeah, long a long old school workout, right? So I mean, we can go way, way back guys. The 1st 100th shipper is Angie. That's the first 100 shipper, right? 100 pull ups, 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats and then regionals one year.

I think that one that was like 100 overhead squats, 100 pull ups, 100 double unders, which back in the day, you know, that would have take I think 2011 that that's probably took some people 5 seconds. It's crazy how far we've come. But then the most recent one, you know, is the one that you remember Khalifa doing like the final week and trying to break the time to be trying to be richest time, I believe.

But 120, I'm sorry, 100 wall ball, 100 chest of our 100 pistols, 100 dumbbell snatch with the 70 back when no one knew how to touch and go anything and everyone was everyone was doing singles alternating and it was just disgusting. So yeah, I mean, this is kind of a theme throughout, but my primary goal obviously is to get the right two people to games. After that, I think it everything else needs to be a a far second.

But I do really like to call back some things that maybe people don't do anymore in their training, like stuff like this. We're like, hey, this is all I'm doing today. I'm doing this 20 minute workout that is not just going to be sitting on three ergs or is not going to be a bunch of running and it's just going to be classic CrossFit. And I'm going to have to deal with these really big sets and try to strategize how to get through them.

And then also like this is an opportunity for coaches to really flex and show that, hey, we've tried it a couple different ways. This is the best way we're going to be last off the bike or hey, the calories actually let us get 30 to 45 seconds ahead and we're going to need that on the burpees. So that's what we're going to do. Or, hey, all these people are going to be getting to the burpees tired. My plan is to do the first 75 squats unbroken, like whatever.

There's just so many different ways you can go about racing this. And I think that a long mixed modality workout like this isn't done a whole lot anymore. And I've had a couple people text me that I've already qualified that are like, I need to do this in my training. Like I just need to do it and and figure it out. Like if I'm putting that situation at the games and you know there's a hundred of something or how am I going?

To get through that. So, and I think that people, I don't people might not catch on is the last movement is almost the only movement that you can really race. Like obviously people are going to have like faster paces than other others, but everybody's gonna have their pace that they're holding on the Echo bike. Nobody's like sending 100 cows in the echo bike. Everybody's gonna break their toes to bar up in sets and then the bar facing burpees are just going to be like a steady pace

through the whole thing. They probably advance it at some point. And then and then the front squats will be where you can make a choice. You have a game plan, but that's where workout gaming, like being good on game day, happens. You see, he's 10 reps ahead of me. I'm going to go unbroken through 50 to just to to break this man right or or girl. Yeah, it's your point. It's your point, John.

Like it's a lot easier to jump back up onto the pull up bar for a set of five than it is to pick up that bar again after you've dropped it. It's just a lot different in that time of the work. Every time you put that bar down, the clock starts and it just melts away. So your point about the Echo bike though, because it's calories specifically, that's a whole other conversation that I'm just very firm on. But there are people that 70% is a 12 calorie lead compared to someone else.

So they're not going for it. They're just like, hey, this is my comfortable pace and it's just faster than yours. However, toast a bar burpee front squat, the big long athlete, like that's all they get right in this world. They they get that first movement and then after that the the deck's a little bit stacked against you after a workout that should have been, you know, pretty good for you just to, you know, to start the competition for this workout.

I just want to talk about testing because to me, that's the most important part of this. I mean, four people came and did an entire simulation weekend with two hours rest in between in a closed gym. It was extremely like the floor was marked out the way it's going to be. And then I had some remote testers and the remote testing athlete that did this work out. Their splits were 522-520-5541 and five O 7. That's going to be tight.

So that's about 21 minutes. That athlete is Colton Merton's. So if you think Colton so you so you think Colton's doing the burpees in 541, you think people aren't going to be just going through mud? Like listen to those splits. Those are really, really consistent splits. They're pretty splits. And, and obviously closing on the squats for Colton is not going to be what most people can do. So yeah, he did it.

You know, he did a workout that day or maybe 2 and then hit this for me and you know, he's not in, he wasn't in peak shape when he did it, but I knew, hey, he's in the West. He could win this workout. I need to know if the cap is appropriate and I need to know if someone can go sub 20 on. That that's that's like 45% slower than when he did it against Berman. The 100 bar facing burpees. He. Was he was like 333? Oh, you're pacing? No, I think it was 3/19.

Was it? Yeah. So I mean that's over 50% slower. Yeah, and I, I, you know, I talked to him about it. I was like, hey, are you cool if I tell people that you tested a couple of these and what your times were? He's he's fine with it. So I just think it's good to talk about him specifically because a lot of people are going to be wondering what's possible. And I told him to do transitions and every like roll the bar every 25 burpees, roll the bar every 25 front squat, like he

did all that stuff. So, yeah, I mean, this workout originally was back squat, and that would have been a hey, do people want to hold on? It kind of. Kind of came down to a when they drop it, though, how do they do it? Do we let them bail? Do they bring it in front? Do they? And it was just a little bit clunky. So we, we, we, we toured around with some other movements. The, the yoke was originally front rack carry. And then I was like, hey, well, let's just switch the two.

Let's get him in the back rack once and get him in the front rack. There's a lot of legs. There's a lot of midline here. There's a lot of shoulders going from the burpee to holding that front squat. I mean, the testing athletes that it was as much shoulders as it was legs. So Angelo got capped. Taylor did front rack step UPS because he couldn't squat and still finished and Lindsay got capped and Molly Mcgrandy finished so 2 got capped, 2 finished so that that was that.

Let me know that 25 is not a Gimme and that people will get capped, but I do want a lot of people to feel all 400. Of these reps yeah, they're they're getting capped at like 80 front squats, they're not getting capped like without even getting. To the front. Oh yeah. And they're and they're going to be fighting for those squats. So whatever they get, they're going to feel the rest of the time.

For sure. The one, the one thing I thought about when I saw this workout was the pill squat workout from Crucible, and I wondered how many coaches were good enough to go through, analyze your programming over the past couple years, see that one and be like, he's probably going to try something like this. Well, the year before in the retour there was 100 shipper. It was a. 100 Trapeze, toasta

bar 100 and kettlebell snatch. 100 boxed up over 100 kettlebell squat and I was a little bit annoyed that Colton did that in

like. 14 or 15? Minutes needed some redemption with one that was a little a little hard actually, Angelo was hoping I would use the pill for this workout for the squats and just kind of bring that back but rogue was extremely generous and they don't they they don't carry those so I was like barbells fine, you know so. Yeah, this one, this one's going to be one of my favorite ones to watch.

Yeah, typically the the 25 minute workouts are not, you know, it's a little rough to watch, but I mean, I think this one. I think you're going to. You're going to see them. Fighting, you're well, you're going to see all the big guys in front and then you're going to see, and they probably can hold on to it through the Tosa bar, but then you're going to see this like pretty shift with all the little flying burpee guys from the big guys. It's going to be really fun. Yeah.

Yeah, and last thing about this, I know we need to move on like bar facing burpees standard is going to be get over the bar anyhow. So as much as it's cringe for me to watch people step over the bar and just turn around and get down. Hey. If I'm not in the, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not interested in the subjectivity of a 12 take off or whatever on this and a hop versus a step. So hey, if you want to be more athletic looking and you want to go faster than jump over.

But if you don't just step over and you can go a little slower like that's fine too. What we are bringing back though is the 17.1 line that bisects the object. So everyone will be doing true perpendicular bar facing burpee and not that pseudo 45° angle. So it'll be one hand and 1 foot on either side of the take one. Tyler, I think me and you sometime during this during the weekend after they do this, we should partner work out and see if we can beat the the winning

time. Yes, with all the time we have, we will definitely do that. Dude. Well, we could do it in the morning, it'd be fine. You never know the WPTH. Do we can part do let's be partners and do it. I forgot we got to do that. We do a lot of stuff. I, I, I think it would be fine if we can. If we can do it, we should see if we can beat the winning time. You got to get ready for for Isabel though, John. Yeah, you know what? We're just going to see what happens.

I I hurt, I hurt myself last grid practice. So like I haven't been able to touch a barbell and like like 5 days. So I'm hoping that I'm OK for I got to be OK for Saturdays next Saturday and then Isabel's after that. So I'm just trying not to hurt myself. And then, you know, whatever happens, happens, I might get out there and just try to touch and go 12 in a row and then be like I blew, I blew up myself on purpose, right? So. I could see that happening. Yeah.

Good Saturday workout #3 Yoke repeater, 8 rounds, 400 meter run, 40 foot yoke carry at 420-5305. All of these. Workouts are my favorite workout. Every single one of them. So this obviously the name here. I should bring back some bike repeater, which was essentially just a lot of hard biking with a interruption of 1 legless rope on every round. So this is that, right? This could definitely just be called the the, the, the run, the run interrupter, right?

And if it same way as the yoke repeater. What's cool about this workout for me is that I think it's the most misunderstood workout of the whole weekend. I think a lot of people look at it and they will look at it and just say, oh, OK, so the yoke doesn't matter. It does matter and it matters a lot. And the best way I can describe it to you is just to speak to the testing. Like on paper, in my opinion, Taylor is a better runner than Angelo.

Angelo is a good runner, but Taylor's a very, very good runner because of, and they were like side by side the whole workout, like within two or three seconds the whole workout. The original version was 10 rounds of 340. But because the venue landscape and having to run a lot inside, we decided just like them, to run a little bit so people could

pass each other a little easier. The hesitation late, maybe not even hesitation, just the speed at which Angelo could get the yoke on him and walk with urgency. And it's guys basically like you're running with the yoke, like you're not walking slowly. You are trying to get it on and off of you as fast as you possibly can. You're still moving that thing over 100 yards with 400 and 300 lbs on your back. It does do something to your run that it's hard to describe until you feel it.

And Angelo ended up winning that work out barely. But on paper, if it was just a two mile run, I would not bet against Taylor. So just the the opportunity every time that maybe lose a second because you walk a little bit faster. I mean, it's really 10 seconds every yoke, so you're only looking at 80 seconds of a 15 minute workout. But yeah, the yoke does matter. It is heavy enough to matter if it was lighter. Like Midline Madness is a lot like this workout.

The berm run, empty yoke. That was really, really light. It was about the berm, right? I think this is heavy enough to affect the run, Lindsay and Molly. Lindsay's a far better runner. Just plain run. Molly kept it really close because I think the yoke just didn't affect her as much as it affected Lindsay. I mean going to it and leaving it. So prime cap wise, a lot of people will look at this and say, oh wow, there's 2 long workouts. You never really see 2 long workouts.

To me, that 15 to 17 minute time domain just doesn't get hit a lot unless it counts as a long test. And for me, I think that's a really important time domain and it's not a 20 minute plus time domain. I just think hard running, proving you can run before you get to the games is maybe the most important thing you need to

show. So yeah, this will do that, but also gives people an opportunity to use and implement in a workout and not an accessory session that they probably don't use in a high intensity workout like. This, yeah. I mean you think about 8 rounds. I mean it. You have to be running fast to get you have time cap like if you're doing if you're doing 8 minute miles. You're pushing it. You're barely going to finish and probably don't. Dude, if you're doing 8 minute miles, you're not here.

There you go. I was going to say like. Well, we don't know that though. Like they got in through the open. Kale's not doing it, dude. Like. For me it's a A2 minute round with it, like I said, with a 10 second yoke. And let's just say there's a few seconds right? You you pause or you have to run back out of your lane. So every other round you're running a little bit farther.

All that into consideration to me is like, hey, this is a 2 minute round workout unless you're just not a good runner. So I think the fastest times though will probably be 1415. Yeah. And I'm sure the run will be ish and we will make sure we let everyone know before the hey, the run is actually 410 or the run is actually 372 or whatever. You know, we'll, we'll let everybody. We'll film the walk. We'll show you excuse. Me. This was not exactly 400 meters.

I got my wheel out and everything. Three times we're going to do that morning of we're. Doing that that. 'D be good. This is. Not a boring workout, but in a way it's like my favorite one because I think it's the most easily overlooked and this workout hurts man. And 100 toes to bar yoke carry. We're still going to get on the GHD. Like the midline just gets hit a lot all weekend long. Yeah, I like this one.

I mean, I I'm sure probably 99% of the athletes that are going to be there have done a yoke carry in training. I'm not sure all of them have done it in a competition. And I don't, and I don't think a lot of them have done it with a monostructural element. I think they usually do. It yeah, go ahead. Carry the yoke, run back, carry the heavy sand back, run back, carry the heavy farmer candles and it's like a strongman medley type situation.

Or it's carry the yoke, you know, do some GHD, do some yoke, do a rope climb like the one WFP did is like a very like classic combination of just same structure, right? Just an interference in between the rogue climbs, but a little bit more classic strongman gymnastics mix. I just think this one is not one that people are going to see and have done anything like it before.

So you just kind of like you get what you get on this workout, like you got two weeks, but you ain't just going to get good at this workout in two weeks. Speaking of that, I don't think Mayhem put out like they put out the workouts, but they didn't put down the breakdown workouts or like in testing what they did. Is this the first time we've ever gotten like, an analysis of what is possible with Colton Taylor Angelo before him tested? They tested but. They didn't make it public, right?

I think that like Dave writing his book in 2018, I think he said he's working on another one. Like that kind of stuff's fascinating to me because what I always want to know is, OK, this is what the athletes on game day who tested it, how did they come up with Rep schemes, changing it time caps, all that. Like for instance, like like for boss, like I want to know who tested the dumbbell, the dumbbell over headlines GHD. Like I just want to know because

I think it's cool to know. Like was it like Hobart moves amazingly? Did he test it? Like did did Boz do it himself with 50s? Did he do it himself with 70s? Like I just think stuff like that, even after the fact, would be awesome. So like for the programmers to say, hey, this is what I had at first. This is how I changed it.

I mean, yeah, there's probably only 100 people in the world that care, but I just think it would be cool because being able to speak to all the decisions you make would make me probably be more or less critical of it. Like a Beck. Oh, OK. So This is why they did it. OK, cool. Well, this the story of the. Fibonacci finale. I mean he was like we had Julie

and Alcarez tested. I didn't know he was literally a God at deficit handstand push ups and he did the workout he finished the workout under 6 minutes and turns out, oh, he's one of the best in the world of this freaky movement and the fittest in the world can't do it like that and I I didn't know that now I do I like that's that's those stories are cool. I. Agree. What do you what do you think releasing talking about the the athletes who tested it, their scores?

What do you think that that does to the athletes who are listening and and looking for tips right now? Like how do they? Proceed over the. Next two weeks. I hope it gives them some really good data because I, I think at this point it's a level playing field. And like, if people want to reach out to Taylor and be like, hey, dude, you know, I tested Metal March and like, I don't know, I was a little bit conservative first. I didn't finish it.

Like Taylor's probably going to be like, hey, dude, you can't be conservative on this workout. You're the muscle. The muscle fatigue is coming and it's two on, one off, 2 on, one off. If you can squeak out another 10 feet on round one, you do it. If you can climb the rope a little bit faster on round two, you do it because eventually it's going to and you just when you when you want to go faster, you're not going to be able to go faster.

So I hope that they, I mean, if I were anyone, I would be reaching out to those people and asking questions about it, but. You know, I'm sure Colton will appreciate all the DMS. Speaking. Speaking of Metal March, we have our intervals. It does not feature jump ropes.

To cap it off, 223 intervals one minute between 50 slash 40 rogue pro double unders, 4/3 cut rope, rope cut rope climbs and then Max distance in the remaining time dual kettlebell overhead walking lunges until you complete 240 feet which is 6 times down the 40 foot path. This looks gross. Yes, the work rest. I think it's really necessary.

Gosh, I remember when the original intervals came out and just how creative and how cool I thought it was and watching some epic blow ups and watching Matt when Dave was like it's not possible to do in three. And he's like give them that look like I'm going to die try and like that, like that kind of

stuff. Just those are the memories that I have and and advancing down the floor and and, you know, telling the story and just like this like idea of a buy in work out that a lot of people just did in training and they didn't really think to do it in competition. And it ends up being one of the one of the coolest format. So 2017 had to cut rope at regionals and a chipper.

It was also heavy wall balls. As I remember the year before they went to the ranch and they did heavy wall ball at the ranch and back in the day, we saw that clear trickle down year to year and it was so cool. It was like, hey, we did 200 LB kettlebell deadlifts. The next year you got 150 LB kettlebell deadlifts. Like it's like you saw that, hey, if we're doing at the Games, you need to be ready to

do it at regionals. If we're doing it regional, you need to be ready to do it in the open or whatever. So, yeah, bringing back the cut rope, the Rogue Pro double under, unless you've been to Rogue or you competed at Wadapalooza a few years ago and did that flip sled workout, you probably have had no competition where they use that jump rope.

So there's a lot, you know, there's the drag rope and you know, Bellitis has that has that cable that, you know, they're sponsoring a lot of workouts, a lot of them. But this one is different, right? Having the handles that are weighted and releasing it early enough so that the outliers that are 6, four or 4 foot 10 can go on Rogue and buy their own and size it and just bring it to us the competition and be like, here's my rope and we'll inspect it and be like, you're good to go.

Like it's really important for me and Wilson, the athlete experience in a way of like, hey, if we're going to use something that not a lot of people have, let's provide it for them and let's tell them the sizes that they're going to get access to and then they can make their own decision. If they need something different, they can bring it with them. So I'm really excited about this. I don't know if anyone can do it in three intervals. Taylor was really, really close.

And I think honestly, he would, he would probably win this workout in whatever field is there because he's so good at the cut rope. There's a lot of athleticism there. And if you don't practice that, it's hard to be really, really efficient, especially when you're blown up. And then if you have good grip endurance and if you're a good upper body puller, do you have

good overhead position? Because if you have the grip in the pulling but your overhead position is not good, it's really hard to do. Well, Tyler. So I'm I'm going to do really well with this one. I've got a good chance here. It's just like you. Want to go back? You want to go ahead and add in this one, Tyler. Absolutely. I don't know if I can get through the 1st bite and I'll be honest with you. You can. Did Taylor do the the catch and play up between the the thighs?

Is that how? We no. It's but actually I went and watched that and Brent do it the following weekend. And you know, Brent's one of the best in the world at life list, but he's like, hey, I can, I'm tall enough to where I can do no legless. And I texted him about it. He said, Yep, easiest event went in my career right there. You know, 'cause he was, he was tall. It was heavy wall ball. It was overhead walking lunge. It was double under like it was

just wheelhouse. And he got through those rope climbs and his arms weren't blown up. So anyone who anyone who hasn't done a cut rope climb before, it's very different. If you think about how a rope touches the ground, hopefully not too much at your gym, it's kind of anchoring the rope. So when you go to clamp it, it's

got that weight. But when you are missing 5 feet of the rope off the ground and you go to clamp, it just kind of swings around everywhere and you can blow up your biceps just trying to find your foot in so. It's a it's a Shorty rope for people who don't. Yeah, it's. It's what, 5 feet off the ground? Generally you'll see athletes do one or two legless pulls into it's. Extremely hard to leg lock at

the bottom of the rope. It's and I don't know why it is, but it it it is like you have to have some clearance before you can. Lock nothing down there. Yeah. It's just really, it's like it's almost weightless in testing. When we tested this, the girls did a version with regular rope climbs. We didn't know if Rogue was going to approve the cut rope. So the guys use the cut rope and the girls used did regular legless to a true 15 feet. The regionals rig is about 14

feet. They both did 50 double unders and the girls were way behind the guys. So I mean, I hope Rison's got some behind the scenes footage of this, but like all of us were just talking right after or going to the whiteboard talking about different options. If we get the cut ropes, if we don't decrease in the double unders help the ton. Lindsay retested this workout this week and finished it and making that adjustment, you wouldn't think it's much, but that that two hundreds is 160

total. And that 16 rope climb to 12 rope climb total is massive for the women. And so while I think the women will still struggle to finish more than the men, I think making that adjustment of both the rope climbs and the double unders are really going to help the workout feel the same for both sexes, which I think is really important in any competition. Yeah, this one's this one's going to be good.

Let's see next one on Sunday, athletes only 302418126 of GHD sit ups with a 30 foot hand stag and walk 210-8642 box jump overs and then back another 30 feet handstand walk obstacle 42 and 36 inch box. So I imagine you're doing the 30 GHD sit ups, handstand walk, 10 box jump overs, handstand walk back to the GHD. Correct. Yeah. So the the handstand walk is

there for your transition. And I mean, obviously if you saw the the video that we posted that Hiller actually made with some clips from that 2018 year and some guys like Matt and Brooke and Catherine like doing that obstacle. That workout was also a triple G workout like this one. So it was ring muscle up, handstand obstacle and pistol. And outside of the Sanctionel year, Wadapalooza think they did

it with a power snatch ladder. We haven't seen this stage of competition use the obstacle since 2018, although it's at the games almost every year. So I was really, really grateful that we were able to use it. I have a lot of setups that I'm bringing and then we're able to borrow a couple more. So we'll have a couple in the warm up area, 10 on the floor. And I just think it's, it's one of those things that if you're not able to do, if you've been to Crucible before, you've done

it three or four years. But if you're not able to do this, it's I mean, it could, it could end some weekends. And this is something I think you should be able to do in this volume 300 feet with some interference here on the hip flexors and midline. No shoulder interference though. Just think there's something you need to be able to do before you get to the. Games and I got plenty of time

to practice. If they can't, like this is the time to every day, every other day you try, you figure out how to do this. Ramp well remember 2 and remember 2 that that reel went out a couple weeks ago. So like they've known they've had like a month for this. Is there a minimum work requirement for this workout? No, the only workout that there's a minimum work requirement for is Metal March and that is the complete buy in.

So you have to do the double unders and the rope climbs or else your workout is it workout is it not your competitions? Yeah, you just can't go to the second interval. So yeah, Pop Ox is going to be very overlooked. But other than at the Crosser Games, I think Water Palooza did 36 inch last year for the team competition. They did 36 and 30, but 42 and 36, I mean, there's a reason why it's called athletes only, right? That is more of the handstand walk movement.

But yeah, I mean, the 30 box jump overs for people who have never jumped on a box higher than 30 inches is going to be different. It's going to be different. I have some, I have some video footage of some games level athletes doing it and it's really funny. Do do they finish the box jump overs then skip the last transition? They do not, no. So you get the full all ten of them, correct?

Yeah, OK. Yeah, So they're, they're going to handstand walk back and the the finish mat will actually be where the GHD is. OK, OK. There's a cool workout. It's a really cool flow. You know, this is one that like people are going to get laughed and you're going to look on the floor and you're going to be like, oh, they're on round four and that person's still in round two. And what's what's good about to me about this workout in a descending Rep scheme is early

on, everyone gets to play. So early on you've got the big chunks, the GHD and the big chunks of box. So a little bit more time in between the handstand watcher versus, but late in the workout, round four, you're getting on for 12 GHD. There's the obstacle, you're jumping four times. There's the obstacle again, you're getting on for six, you're getting on for two. Those last four handstand walk passes are so close together that like it lets the people who are really good at it show it at

the end. And the people who can't do it at all are just kind of like, hey, we got to play for the first 3 rounds. Interesting and testing. I knew all four of them would destroy this workout. I didn't think all four of them would go unbroken on everything. So no one failed a handstand walk. Everyone went smooth and fast. They actually were racing like I mean Angelo went like 830, Taylor was around 9 minutes, Molly and Lindsay were around were sub 10.

So like this 13 minute cap for some is going to be very generous for others is going to be very aggressive. And that's what we need on Sunday. Like we need, we need some crazy swings. And while I think most of the events have swings built in every single workout because something specific is being tested, that I think this one and then the last one with the heavy sandbag is really going to help some people or hurt some people's chances at a Games bid for sure.

Yeah, moving on to the final workout. Bag 9 9 Sandbag cleans 12 Ring Muscle UPS 1512122118 Cal Echo Rower 1512 Bar Muscle UPS 9 Sandbag Cleans AT200/150. This is my favorite workout I bet. You know, we can, you know, we could dig into all the movement selection and the movement patterns and, and all that kind of stuff. But at the end of the day, like you need 2 workouts. I think they're limited by just capacity. And you have that with the yoke

and with the hundreds. You need a couple workouts that are limited by something body weight. You have that with the cut rope and with the hands and wall. And then you need a couple workouts that are limited by the weight lifting component. That doesn't mean that it has to be super heavy or not, but it just that needs to be the thing that separates. And while 30 and 24 muscle UPS probably will cause some separation, this workout is

about the back. And for a lot of people that really good technically with the barbell. But when you have to just move something weird over and over again, it just destroys you. So this is the most compelling like discrepancy of testing data. Taylor did this workout. He went touch and go on the 1st 9 unbroken on muscle UPS. Rode like a 1200 which I'll get to which is really important. Does sixth touch and go with a 10 foot transition after each 3 so 3?

Held. Carry three touch and go carry does 3 singles at the end of the workout, goes low fours. OK, Angelo does it, doing the same thing, executing it the same way, essentially just having to do singles on the bag and goes 2 minutes slower, so 2, so 2 minutes slower. So like 4 1/2 and 6 1/2, which call it that, whatever. Molly and Lindsay do it. They're a little bit closer together, but we made some adjustments to the bar muscle

UPS. Originally they did fifteens and the back half was just really hard and I was like, OK, we need to adjust that. Like some workouts they can do the same, but this one they probably need to do 12. Alex Gazan tested it for me. Didn't know she was testing a workout like for that she thought it was for Crucible. She did the first nine touch and go, did the muscle UPS unbroken. Rode the same pace as Taylor, 1200 for her 18.

Did singles, did singles on the bag and barely beat, barely beat Taylor. Colton was right around Taylor's time doing similar like touch and go at 1st and then having to do singles in it. So Taylor by far handled the bag better than anyone. But other than the yoke, I think the most misunderstood part of this workout is the row, and I'll explain. The row only matters for the

best. And in that description I just gave you, if you can do the bag really, really well and you're really good at muscle UPS, how hard can you row and still jump up and do that back half unbroken? That's a that is going that will come into play for a lot of people who are similar on the back. So because Alex got off 1520 seconds on the rower, she was able to essentially wipe that away on the back half sandbag

having to do singles. And I think that's a really, really interesting part of the workout is that there's some gamesmanship, even though it's a fast workout, like 9 minutes for some is they're going to be hoping that the cat hits just because they're falling apart with the bag. But in a workout that's so short, I think there's a lot of strategy. But at the end of the day, you either have the option to go touch and go or you don't.

And that already is going to put you in a deficit because if the person next to you is going touch and go, the amount of time that you are passing them on, it's really hard to make up on the other two movements unless someone just gets on the road and they're like, hey, I'm just going to recover on the road and I'm going to be on it for 90 seconds and then I'm going to rest a lot before the muscle UPS. Like do these people really matter anyway?

Probably not. Like this workout, this finale is written for the people who are going to go or not go. And then it's like I don't know what she can do on the bag or I don't know what he can do on the bag. I'm going to take a break on the rings. Oh well she is too. OK, well then who can get the 9 reps done like it's called bag 9 because it's all going to come. Down to the last. You know, you know who I would have loved to see this do this work out and if if you we could

possibly reach out to him. I don't know if he is reach out able, but is Bronislaw Linkowitz 'cause that is a guy that would touch and go the nine and then go 654 on the rings, go 1200 on the row and then nine and six on the bar muscle UPS. But then he would touch and go the entire 9 on the second-half and end up beating everybody. And I mean and Taylor. Taylor might be too fit. No, no. No, no I'm not. Talking about the fittest in the

world this field. I dude, I think Taylor's time and Colton's time on this because they are able to touch and go in the bag and even Alex too because there's not a lot of females that are going to touch and go and much less like at the end. Like I watch Taylor do it. I talked to Alex after she did it. It's like, dude, that really hurts like lactic. Like if you can go that fast, I mean, the arms just get no

reprieve. You're wrestling the bag, you're pulling, you're hanging, you're pulling on the rower again. But she's like at the end, it's just like, it's like meltdown, right? Like like everything shutting off on those last few sandbag cleans because you're you're going so fast and it's such a powerful workout that it hurts. If you can make it hurt, it really hurts. And some people just can't make it hurt. So, and there's going to be a game spot on the line, right?

For some, I I mean the teams are doing synchronized ring and bar muscle up, which is is pretty cool. I mean, I think Water Palooza did it first and then Adrian programmed it with the thrusters that year in Orlando. And this workout was bar all along. And I just got really frustrated that I thought we were going to be the only people not doing ring muscle ups. And it turns out everyone's doing bar muscle UPS this year. Not they were like Wilson had mentioned it early on like we

could do both. And I was like, I don't know, that seems kind of it's just not like me to do it. And I ended up coming back to him and being like, let's do it. And what's important is where the rings are Like at the beginning, it still gives the opportunity for people to go unbroken if they're really good on the rings. And then on the back half, they're doing the easier bar muscle up, which kind of still pushes intensity.

And I think that's really important because while this isn't A2 to three minute Sprint, it is still a power output fast workout. Like again, you know the winning times are going to be sub five and they're going to be people that probably get capped. So in a 9 minute workout, having people beat you by 3 or 4 minutes I think is is pretty cool. And that hearing you talk like if, if, if I'm going to go into syndicate, I'm watching this

right. I'm listening to what you're saying and hearing that to be fast, you have to go unbroken. On the bag, on the bag and on the bag of the. Bag. Like I think Angelo's time. Like I think his time of around like 6 minutes is, is a good time, a good time because he wasn't messing around. He was doing singles on the bag, but he wasn't just standing there with hands on knees. He's awesome at muscle UPS, which is still important, right? Like how long is your break

after the row? Are you breaking 15 seconds? Are you like stepping right to the bar and jumping off? So I think that Taylor and Alex and like Colton's times are like, hey, if I need to win this workout, like. I got to beat them. I need to go faster than IMAM. Look at the workout. One minute, 2 minute, three minute, 4 minute, 5 minute, like. And that's really impressive when you think about it, that

they were like sub 4:30. But again, yeah, like if you can, you even get like the first three touch and go and then go to singles. Like you make up so much time because the 200 and 150 is not like the one 5100, right? It's just it takes so much more out of you. Every Rep but Taylor's been cycling sandbags like since I've met him. Like he was sending me videos doing 200 LB box step UPS like four or five years ago.

Like, I just think that some people are just really, really good at odd objects and it's just a completely different story than a a barbell. Yeah, I'm just thinking like if you're 3rd place or say 4th and it's close, like you're hearing this like I I have to try it, right. Like you can't, you can't do Angelo and think that 6 minutes is going to going to get it for you. Like you've got to take that risk of, of doing it. And what is that? Does that blow up in the last

those last 9? But you got time to do it. You got time to play with it. And. I think it's going to be this. It's funny because it feels like maybe not, maybe other than the hundreds, but the last workout is almost the most strategic in it and who executes their game plan the best. I just think we'll see a lot of different approaches. Yeah, I think that I think that metal March and athletes only are very execution oriented and like can't fly too close to the sun.

Like if I, if I'm not careful, right and I fail a rope climb, I'm done. Like I'm like I'll take a I'll end up taking a 30th. Or if I go a little too soon on a handstand walk and I just, it gets in my head all right, I've already missed one. And then it it just becomes like a snowball effect. I think John is right in that there is a ton of fitness. Here. There's just levels of fitness, kind of like the grids, whereas a couple of the other workouts are either you got it or you

don't. And I do like the the strength pieces, the first workout and the last one. Right. So I, you know, if you think about the leaderboard shifting, I could see, yeah, you see the geez, you know, in the Olivia curse sitter's up top early on, dip down a little bit and they come back strong in the final one. And that's their chance to come come back and and make it. Dude, I think it's more of like a you, you, you see, it's well, I don't.

I don't think so guys. If if like a lactic acid type feeling at the end of it, if that's truly what it brings, dude, he ain't about that life. I think more like. AI don't think D like those guys on the. Border like come back whenever he touched and go the sandbags at regionals and made his and got his ticket.

That's that's kind of what I'm thinking like somebody who, who you don't even see coming and they were the only one able to do it or they did it the best and then they jumped 5 spots and got. That and I don't even know if he'd want to put it out there. I mean, I think it would crush he'd put it on his his own YouTube. But if Bryson has Taylor doing this workout, like, you know, that video of Colton doing doing friendly Fran was just awesome to watch, like leading up to this workout.

Like if he's got that footage and he puts it out, I mean, that's cool. Like that's cool even to put out like the first nine sandbag clean just so people can watch that movement and try to dissect it because there's there's a, a technique to it, right? Like. He's able to do it because of timing and and you know, you mishandle that that 200 and it just pushes you over so. I like also that you give him the option to be able to do touch and go. I feel like so often now you

don't. You're not. Allowed to drop. Yeah, that was something too. That was interesting. Like I like going over the shoulder, especially if people don't bail to the side and like kind of throw it off their bicep and their hips aren't open at the top. Like people who do it right. I think it looks really good and I think sometimes for singles that annoying not being able to go touch and go is is can be a good thing based on the workout but in this workout specifically

you they need to have. That option. Of hey, if it was mandated singles, it really would like, hey, it's the muscle ups are really important. Well, we already have two workouts that the gymnastics are really, really important. And then the hundreds, the burpees and toast bar are still really important. So to me, you don't let them go touch and go and it kind of starts to swing the bias of the whole program.

So that might be a little too deep, but I think that allowing them to go touch and go, the workout is supposed to be limited by the weightlifting component. I think that's this is the right move. Yeah. What I like about all this is that you've essentially written all my prop bets for me, so I appreciate that with giving us the athlete times. Thank you. Well, well, and and how many athletes go touch and go all nine of the first ones?

Or does the first guy off the is the fastest time off the bike win a heat or lose every heat? Dude, I think, I think with with bag 9, you could have like like so many prop bets. How many how many people go on broken on both set of muscle UPS? Like not many are doing that, but the the ones who are the ones that need to win it. Like if Luke's in that position, he's doing it, you know, like we've seen him on finales just completely go after, especially when there's muscle UPS involved.

Like he did it last year at semis where he crushed the bike and then jumped up on the rings. We saw it at the classic. Like he's someone I think over. I'm like, if that dude can touch and go the 200, like that's a guy that that is going to be in it till the very end. Or even like winning time sub 4 minutes 4 to 4 to 4/24/20 to 44440 to 5:00. That's your. That's your. That's your toll at the end of at the end of the competition weekend with with the game day transitions.

I think 4 sub 4:30 is a really good profit for both males and females. If you were going to predict which workouts most correlated to the finals. Spins favorite thing. Yeah, I I want it to be the one hundreds, but I think it's the finale. I think so too, because you're just going to see people fall apart in it. Like you're going to see people go for it and then they can't do it, and then you'll see people go for it and they can do it. And that eventually will end up

who's who lies where. Well, you know they all three of the movements matter. Even the row in the middle matters for the best because it's like I need to beat him back to the bag and I know he's going unbroken labarre muscle up. So the only way I can get to the back faster than him is if I choose to row a little bit harder. So while all three movements matter, it comes down to the bag and for the ones that all three movements matter, it's a fitness test.

It's not just a like like a one thing type test. I kind of wanted. I would love it to be the one hundreds because I just think that that just that's like really classic CrossFit, but I'm probably just a little bit biased to the longer time domain, so. The question I have about all this is like, so you've been, you've been doing CrossFit a long time, you've been programming a long time, you've run your own events. I guess what's the emotion feel like to now be programming for a

qualifying spot? 2 qualifying spots for the Games. No, I mean it's it really is a dream come true. Like I like for years probably have just been like, man, I just want that chance. I just want that opportunity. Like I don't I'm I'm a nobody. I don't really know how to go about that. And, you know, most times Dave is programming everything or, you know, occasionally some people get to do their own

thing. Like the sanctionals here, you know, it's like, wow, they all get to kind of put their own spin on everything. But I also believe that it's a it's a really, really like serious responsibility. And I think that if you're entering into it with any of like your own personal motives, or if you're doing it just because you're doing what you like or you're not thinking about, hey, my job here is to get the right to people to cross with you. So that's it.

So unless you're approaching it like that, I mean, I take it very serious. I mean, for six months, all I've thought about is this, right? Like I think about other workouts too, but I'm a simple person, right? I I have my faith, I have my family. I love to train, I love to coach people and I love to write workouts. And that's really it. Like, so I am, I do this all the time. This is this is what I love to do.

So I know I get passionate and ramble about it, but being this come together like it has Wilson trusting me with that job to do it. I mean, yeah, so I got to, I got to go out swinging, right? Make it work. The The funny thing leading up to when we found out about the workouts we had like this meeting scheduled for Syndicate are. We supposed to say this? Yeah, I mean we're working the event.

It's fine, but it's it's more about the lead in so like JRS even through text message like very stoic and I think you text me three times like are you stoked for tonight? Like you ready to? Find out about these workouts. And I was like, a lot of people wouldn't catch like how excited you were in that moment. I knew it was a big deal.

I've been, yeah, I've, I've been like, it's been, it's been tough to just not like, you know, I want everyone to see him because, you know, you're proud of it. But then also too, you're ready for people to like or not like them. And liking or not liking them doesn't mean they're not a good test. It just means it's what people like and that's it's in. It's an art, just like a painting.

All right. We can agree that it might be some people's cup of tea and some people might think it's ugly, you know, so I do. I do want to say one thing while I'm thinking about it. Or Wilson's going to not be happy with me. Don't forget everybody. Isabel against John Young. Yes. Saturday metal March against Taylor Self. Sunday, Sunday, athletes showcase against really whoever wants it. I know Austin's in the mix. I know Taylor's in the mix. Angelo's supposed to be in the

mix. They're doing athletes only, right? So they're doing the handstand walk workout. 500 bucks for the winner on Saturday, 500 bucks for the winner on Sunday. Shoot, I'll put up. And a free JY barbell shirt for the OH. Heavy. Isabel. No, no, I'll, I'll put up, I'll put up 500 on Friday too. So I'll put up 500 for Heavy Isabel. So John, you got to we can take some BBC 157 and let's do it. If you are interested in competing, there is a limit of a response, right? We got 10 lanes.

We would love to have 10 people do all three of those compete at syndicatecrown.com. That's compete at syndicatecrown.com. You do have to sign up on competition Corner and sign the waiver so that you can get out there on the floor. But I put out a text message yesterday to like 8 or 9 coaches that all have athletes who have already qualified for the games that are in the East.

And I'm like, hey, if they're going to be here fulfilling sponsorship obligations, if if they're going to be, if they're going to be just hanging out watching someone else, like, hey, do any of these look fun to you? Like come do it. It's heavy Isabel, it's metal March and it's athletes only. So if if you if you want to just get a workout in because you're trying to, she'll keep your training up and you want to do something fun and you want to

set a time to beat. Like I see Danielle comment, like I would love for her to come and do athletes only because I don't know that anyone would beat her time. Oh man, it would be cool to see something like that just actually go out there and set a time to beat before the athletes actually do it. So. The thing that's crazy is, I mean like just like recapping it all, every single day you will see one event where athletes are doing it that aren't part of the competition.

You'll be able to seize times that they get, but particularly on Athletes Only, I think this would be the first time we've seen games level athletes do a workout, particularly with Austin on Athletes only where they're not part of the competition. They're sort of setting the stage for what's about to happen. It has no implications on the competition and it'll be a really cool showcase. Like I, I think it's really cool that we're doing 1:00 every single day.

Yeah, and I know it's right before the women's first heat, but if you're not in the women's first heat and you're a male and you're not going to watch Taylor do Metal March, you're insane. Like if if you want to see like, OK, this is where I need to be at these times. Like, dude, that's like, that's like giving you a study guide right there. So yeah, if Austin does athletes only like yeah, for sure.

So buy tickets and show up. I know, like, I'm incredibly excited about this competition, but I think you're going to be missing a hell of a show if you don't keep. Everybody's going to be there. I'll be there. Actually, I'll have the RV there. It's going to be great. Caleb will be there. Sea Beaver. Caleb. Yeah. So he's going to learn about CrossFit. That's be. Great. No, he won't.

Fair enough. Thank you Jr. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me on guys, I appreciate it. I appreciate it they. Are we're excited. I hope me and Tyler do not let you down. You won't. It's been, you know, he's doing whatever Spin does, but we're we're in it. I'll. Be there man. I'll be. I'll be everywhere. Thanks. Man, thank you Jr., thank you Syndicate, Crown, everything you need to know. I know you're excited, Tyler.

I'm nervous. Oh dude, I I couldn't be I I will be nervous like in that I want to execute, but we've prepped so much for this. I know no one will mess up and I know like I I just can't wait to finally do what we've all been talking about doing for four years. Yeah, yeah, I but like, like I, it's hard. It's hard for me to show my excitement until we're like, we're in it. I bet you after like, 'cause just 'cause I just don't want to be the, I don't want to mess it

up, you know what I mean? And and I once I get Isabel done, I feel like I'll be like the most excited. Once. We're done with the first day, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, it'll be, it'll be interesting. You'll be doing some. We're all basically going to be on there at some point. So it'll be. Show up guys. Yeah, it'll be good. All right, let's head over. Let's do some blind rankings before we find out if I hate the WFP. Let's see here. Do you think I do you think I hate it?

WFP. Are you are? You asking us? Yeah. I think that you have, I think that you have insight that most don't. And I think that everybody's talking good about how good the competition was and you know it's going to eventually lead to either a big fight or nothingness. And you don't want to talk about how good it is because you know that's going to be the future. And that's, that's, I don't know if that's true at all, but that's my assessment of your feelings about it.

We'll find out. In the meantime, we'll play some blind. Rankings. I thought that's what we were doing right now. Blind rankings. He's obviously pulling up blind rankings, John. I dude, I was trying to get intimate with you and then you just tried to like you shut me down. That's why he showed you. Blind Rankings. Look, look, you. Were making fun of me. I was trying to watch what I what I said, man. I was trying to have the right words for it. This week's blind rankings.

Awful. Let's see, there we go. Awful CrossFit feelings. Oh, this is. This is this is in a competition. What is the last thing you want to have happen? What? Is this in McConnell? While you're competing. So if you're if you were thinking about in two weeks at Syndicate crown, if you're on the competition floor, what do you want to not happen to you? I was thinking like lactic acid, feeling like like, you know what I mean, the panties. But this is different.

This is. Different this is this is you're on you're on everybody's watching you you're on the live stream you're on you know everybody's watching it from the crowd OK and this happens so we'll find out if what you guys think all right first one tripping over the final barbell. Five. I mean, you're already done. Yeah, Yeah. Good. My. Thing is, it's. Not that bad, it's good memories. Is you're going to get a lot of reels, like it's just funny.

Yeah, like I, yeah, I, I don't think that's bad at. All careful's been careful. There we go. It yeah, I think, I think it's like it's. Awesome. It's not a big deal. We're laughing at words, you know, like you're. It's good. You're good. OK. I think a lot of athletes would hate that though, like it would kill them and it's. I think, well, OK, I think it's worse if you're the winner. You know what? I'm saying you're right. Well, you just won. You want to have your moment,

right? And then your moment is that. So like you just killed everybody, right? You should be proud. Like if you're in the middle of the pack or even if you're last, like, you know, you're just, it's just man, we're having a day. I still liked it when Froning dropped it behind him when that was still a thing. It's a thing in Grid, so stay tuned. No, There you go. I'm going to be doing it a lot. Is that how you hurt your shoulder? We won't talk about it.

Go ahead. All right, next one going out too hot and then just melting down. OK, let's think of what can. Happen the good old Noah Olson. Because to me, this is not that bad just because you're like you. Do it all the time. No, no, no, no, no, no, but like but like you, it's oh, I just went out too hot like that's but that's it. That's all it is. You know what I mean? I blew up because I went out too hot. You know why you blew up? It happened.

Now you're just suffering to get through the event, but it's not even, you don't even have pressure to speed up because you, you blew up. You know what I mean? Like you're just, you just it happens to everybody. Everybody knows what it feels like. I just don't think it's that of all the bad things that can happen, you know, we're talking about bad things that happen, right? Like it's not, there's not going to be random good things on this list as far as bad things.

I just don't think that's that that's that bad. If you the the thing about going out too hot is if it works you look cool as shit. If it doesn't. Work well, I think you just look dumb. I think we're only referencing when it doesn't work. Right. But I think that to me the the reason I reference if it goes well is because like it, there is that upside of going out too hot. You know you've risked it for something, yes. It wasn't like it. Not all the time.

Is it stupid? You were going for it, right? And then you just didn't have it. And like nobody, I, I mean, like, unless you do something really dumb, it's like, you know, go, you know, pull like a 130 on a marathon Rd. So like you don't want to do that like in the 1st. I don't think we're talking about that, no. No, no, no. But yeah, I think we're talking about like. Noah Olson doing the the 223 intervals and don't get me wrong, that's not on the road climb way too fast.

But you can rationalize it as awesome. Physically it's horrible but mentally it's fine. I'm going 4. I'm like, I'm just saying you can mentally rationalize why it happened. Yeah. And guys, the comments are referencing stuff that's a part of awful feelings, like not being able to lunge at the last minute, like the last lunch, not being able to do it like, but do you need to do that hot? That's that's that might be one of the next things we have.

That's I mean, I think that's what I like about bag 9 is you have to go out hot if you're if you're in a must win like you have. You got to risk it to get the biscuit, man. Something like that. All right, next one up. Depends on the biscuit really. And then you're in a haze and stuck in mayonnaise. Here we go seeing that Hitler made a video about you. Happens all the time. I've had a few of these incidents to. Honestly this is 5 for me.

Most of them are good. I've had one kind of bad one, the other two kind of kind of have my back. Yeah, that's not the Hillary video I'm thinking about, but are. You thinking about like a Hooper style video this. Is a good thing. These are I felt great I. Think there's a lot of people that would disagree with you but. It's I mean, if we're talking about CrossFit, like he, he, he may say OK, Brooke, like that's. Probably you see the thumbnail come out. You're you're.

Scrolling your Instagram. Stories and it says well situation where like. Yeah, like we're like, yeah. And you see it and you're like, uh oh, what did I do? I would say 2. I think it's the worst thing. But I don't even think. I mean like if I'm Brooke and I'm seeing that, I'm like, like, he's got a point. I screwed up. For you to say that though, because it's not you like and when this means like your games ticket and then he makes a video about you.

And I'm not saying she didn't get there because like crossword didn't catch it and then Hillary brought it up and then they caught it. That's not what I'm saying, Dave, but now you have thousands of people saying you shouldn't go to the games, right? Like she look at. That morning she puts her scores in and next thing you know she wakes up the next morning and Hiller has a video showing your burpees. How many DMS do you get saying you are trash like that is because of him?

Well, OK, John, so an analogous thing for you is the Big Mama outlash. Sure. I think I think that was worse than what Brooke is getting. Here's the. 1. Huh, here and with the strong women thing, Brooke's just saying, hey girl, your chest isn't to the ground and. It wasn't. Right. Like like. Like I I'm not kidding you, it was for for a week a straight week. I had 50 DMS saying that I should go kill myself for a whole week dude. And I'm like man, y'all have need better things to do.

Honestly I like this is you'd have thought I cheated on my wife with my assistant and and and it was the type of DMS I was getting. Mitchell probably got less DMS on that than. You have wild wild. Anyway. So I think that's worse than what Brooke is getting. I think. I think it's it's a little bit what you say where it's like he has a point because I don't think he'll Hiller ever makes a video out of like malice. He's just bringing it to light, right. And he's and he's right, right.

Like I think most of the time he's, if not all the time, he's right in what he's pointing out. But the backlash that comes with it, I think is way out of proportion than what it should be. Then what's the worst Hiller video CrossFit related? Because I was going to talk about Brian Fran, but that's not really a CrossFit video. Hip and steel. Yeah. Why just? Because he fought him about it and like, it turned into like a whole like. Well, that's the reaction to it though.

Like just literally the video, right? Like the thumbnail comes out. I mean, Brian, Brian, Brian's pretty. I think anytime he says like has the worst or the best, like those are always like, those are different videos. Those are like he's coming after. This, I mean, I do know, like when he made the video about Marcus Philly, like it wasn't even that like bad, right? But like, I think I remember Marcus reached out to him and his initial reaction was, oh,

no, what did I do? Like, yeah, I'd be worried, right? And I think a few others have been like that. I think the initial reaction is oh crap. The the friend one's definitely the I think the top one. I think HQ when they get videos, when Hillary post videos, like I think Jeremy Cross, it effed up. It wasn't me. See, it's easy and that's why I want to give it a three because I'm like, yeah, it wasn't me.

You know what's? Crazy if Brooke just said that when he made that, like like if Brooke is made a joke about it and we're like, that wasn't me done, nothing happened, nothing happened. Maybe you get penalized like like I mean, I think she probably would still got because the ring muscle ups are bad too, but like or just be like I was in a mirror world and I'm actually the other way around. But but like. Nothing. Like no, the backlash that she got would not have happened.

It disarmed everything. At all. Instead you make it. I never get no Rep to my burpees ever. You know, and, and and you're wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like it it said you make it this thing and it shouldn't be a thing. So. Where do you want to put it, John? I say to I don't think it's the worst thing ever, but I do think it's not great if you wake up in the morning and you see it. I will see to John, I think there might be some stuff in here that that are better or worse.

Yeah, shrink that. Get it smaller. Why is it not? Come on, come on. We got it. Come on. We'll just move it down here. Give it a second. It's going to move that slow the whole. Time. No, you got to be able to grab it. It's. There we go when that thing goes. Towards the corner of the. Screen, just wait for it. There we go. There we go. All right, next one up. Here we go. You got one or three left, no repping your final.

I think this is devastating, dude, dude, because like you're one step away from making it to the games and then you fail and then you bring it back. You try to rush it because you're like, Oh my gosh, I failed, I need to go and then you fail again. It's not just one no Rep on the last lunge and ends up being like a minute right and I cannot think of, you know, a person that this has happened to multiple times that Tyler hates a lot. But. That's the worst part.

About the no Rep on the last lunge is then you have to hear me call you a quitter. That's true. I don't want to do that, but I will do that. So I'm going with #1 I don't want to be called a quitter. I I would say #1 it happened to Annika too. Yeah, but at World Fitness Project as well. No, I yeah, I think that's, it's pretty devastating. We're either going to. We got to work on. We got to work on that. I don't know what's going on

right where we want to take that 111 all right number. 3 on this, John. The only athlete left on the floor. No, that's fine. That's. Fine, all of your competitive. I don't know. Telling you how to do a muscle up. Hold. On I. Think that's. Go ahead, I'm going to mute myself, my parents. Yeah, I definitely think that's a one. I hate that feeling when it happened to me.

It's like there were all these we were at, we were prepping for Crash. It was the first workout in the swim event at the pool and Taylor wanted to work out and he was like do this GHD swim workout with me. I am not. I'm like not a bad swimmer, but I'm not great. Taylor's pretty decent and it's 150 GHD setup since interval style. Taylor finishes 2 rounds before I do. And it's just me and like 60 people just looking at me and I felt so stupid. I want to die in those moments.

I want to disappear, turn into a puddle of goo and just. I guarantee like catching on the rope climbs 100 percents. Like, yeah, no, this was the worst. That was the worst regional moment of my entire career. Yes. Bar none, right, like and the people are trying to tell you how to do the workout. Oh, just just you know, you can do it.

You can do that, you know, and. Though now that I think about it, knowing that you are fit enough and you screwed up on execution on a last lunge might be worse because you almost. Had it's it's way worse, dude. It's way worse. It's in the grip of your hands, and then your grip fails. Yeah, I think, I think we did a good job. I'll be right back. Yeah, I think, I think 3 should be moved to two, sitting on the floor should be moved to two,

and Hitler should be moved down. But that's just me. I think everything else is in order. That's fair. OK. Good job, John. John. Disappeared. You can't comment that. Give it the program and then all the athletes just circle around like the circle of death. Yeah, the sharks, I feel like that used to that happens. That happened more like nowadays they don't do it as much. Like every once in a while somebody will go back, but a lot of times they just kind of stand

there and watch you, which. We don't have the spread of athletes we used to have like you. Those things could happen a lot easier back in the day and now it's like it's dwindled down to nothing, so all the athletes are kind of qualified. All right, we better, we better move on to this. Got 10 minutes and then we're going to shut it down. Do we hate the WFP? Tyler, you were there. I was. I watched it from the live stream. John I think watched at least a little bit from the live stream.

I watched the live stream, I watched it all everywhere. Tyler, before we get into that, what were your thoughts of being there in person at the UFP Tour Stop 1? I've been itching to talk about this for a week. I know you guys are like, yeah, yeah, let's hear it. So we got, I went there and I was, I was trying to be very open minded and I, I made that post on my story that like I was asked no less than 10 times, why are you here? You guys hate WFP which I thought was hilarious.

From fans or. Fans, coaches, athletes, managers. All of them. I even had. One fan come up to me and tell me he watches the show. He's he's from Indy. And then he almost apologized for going and. They're like, no. Dude, like, these are the best athletes in the world and they're in your hometown. Definitely go. But I thought that was funny that he was like halfway apologized. Like no, like fuck that. But I went in super open minded, like just trying to like I don't want to.

I don't want to hate anything going into it. I think that they like so breakdown. They were definitely focused on the athletes. Like that's what they said they would do. Overly so. OK, I'll swing back around that later. The floor was cool as shit if you were in person. It looked not great on the live stream. It was really cool in person. The athlete like warm up area, like it was an entire football field. They had a ton of space.

It was nothing like water palooza where everybody's cramped in. That worked too. I think it's detriment almost. So I, I went around and I, I sort of like talked to athletes that I knew and I knew that either didn't like, or they were not paid by the WFP, but we're competing there or they were paid by the WFP competing.

And the thing that I'll say is like the vibe felt like a six and one athlete in particular told me like this feels like a preseason game, like the, the, the hype was just down. I think some of that had to do with the lighting. Like if you go into a movie right and the and it's sort of dark in there, like everybody's kind of whispering when it was between events, like people weren't really loud. It was sort of hushed tones the whole time.

And I think that decreased the vibe of the entire thing and that so much like that the athletes felt that it was definitely very, very quiet. It felt not not hype. 1 athlete in particular told me that though they felt peaked and felt ready to be there and wanted to like compete, to win that they like, they just felt like there was a gear missing because the hype was down. And why did you not speak the freak up when Tanner was trying to talk that everybody was

competing? We weren't ready the the on on the back end in what I've heard about the administration of the event has been horror stories so much that people who worked the event as like either judges or equipment managers, there's different things like that said they were completely understaffed. I heard one story that I think yet he had coolers there and there was water and, and stuff in those coolers and they had one cooler for essentially the

staff. And at one point they took it and they were like, the athletes need it. At which point, like one of the equipment managers were like, there's not enough of us here. We don't even have time to get water. But if we did now we don't fucking have water. So it's like, I mean, some of these people who are running the event have run multiple events and like that's like a basic thing, like take care of the

people. And so it's like when I saw these shirts of people matter more, which which people who are you talking about? And so it's like somebody said, like maybe just athletes matter more. Well, just the good ones. I'll I'll let you go 'cause I have like a a much longer spiel about what I think this implies for the. The future yeah, I want I want to play a a quick part of the video here on Train Think Tank. They spoke about it and Perrin spoke.

I think more about the I think it's this was about the atmosphere. Let's play a little clip. Feel like the environment, I don't know how you guys felt, was very laid back and in some ways maybe a little too laid back. Like there wasn't, it wasn't the pressure of qualifying for the games or on the line, which I think maybe help some people relax into it and for some people, maybe the first tour people have the game still to come. People are waiting for.

People just finished the online just. Finished and they might have been a little bit flat. That was the only thing I feel like intensity and mood. I didn't feel like there was as much crazy competition between people, but as far as what they had laid out for everyone, there was more than enough space. Very good warm up area. As far as they had all the implements except for the burpee blocks I think. Yeah, there's no ballistic blocks the. Ballistic blocks was the only

thing missing they. Brought in extra. So I mean, I think Perrin would agree with you, right? Like I would say, first of all, go go watch that if you want to get a first hand perspective of what they thought, because I think all of them were there. No, I think you're I think that's right. Like the pre season probably is a really good way of putting it. And Kotler, Kotler kind of touched on it on Clydesdale this this evening. They aren't fighting for a GameSpot.

It's not all on the line, right? And all of it has been you're trying to get points and the final, the final event in Copenhagen is worth double. That's where you're going to move the most. And so I've heard a lot of like, well, you know, it's just one out of three. It's not the end of the world like and and Kotler kind of spoke about he he he spoke about it really positively. But then like, you know, you get all these opportunities, but at the same time, like there wasn't that fire, right?

Like your whole season's not on the line. It's not coming down to it. You can be laid back. I want to watch people fight for it gets the playoffs. Like you don't watch game three of Major League Baseball and get that invested in who wins. Like you want your team to win, cool, great. But it's just one out of 162 games. And I get the threes less. But there's something about being in the playoffs. Playoff baseball in October is way different than regular

season baseball. NBA. Well, I mean, I think I think down said what it needs to be and I don't know if the organizers like look at it as that on the on the coffee pods and watch show. If it's his last question, if you want to, if you can go find it. It's been but he I'm sorry for putting it on, which if you can't, no worry. It was the last question downside. But he said that he looked at it like like CrossFit is at Harbor freight spin. If you can mute your tab I'd be

appreciate. It Hey now I'm trying to find it for you. Just calm down. CrossFit. Harbor Freight new new sponsor. That's. Right. The CrossFit Games is like the Super Bowl of fitness, right? It's the Olympics, right? And the gold medal, whoever wins the 100 meter dash is the fastest man in the world. And then the World Fitness Project is the Diamond League, and it's just for marketing. You can win money doing it.

It's a big competition. The biggest athletes show up to it. But it's never looked at as like, who wins? That is the fastest man alive. I don't know if he said it more clearly, but do you have it now? It's been. I did, yeah. Just. Isn't it the bar Palooza that? No, but it's a series. The Diamond League's a series. Like there's multiple competitions, there's championship at the end, like, and I thought it was a perfect analogy. I think this is it.

It's time since now go, you know, with all the competitions, the shaft really is big and it is long, tall, all the things. But the way I see it is the CrossFit Games, you are the pinnacle of the sport. You find the fittest on Earth. Everyone knows the title, everyone knows what to turn to at that point. And I watch a lot of track right now and to compare it, the crossword Games is the Olympics, right? You want to come home with the

Olympic gold? You want to be the fittest on Earth. We have Rogue where it's like the World Championships happens every year, but it's one of the biggest meets you can go to or competitions. For our sake. And then you have WFP, which would be more like the Diamond League, and you have all the best athletes there all the time, consistent season. Yeah, they're throwing out. They're throwing out money in

the Diamond League and winning. That is a big deal because not only do you get prize money, you get to grow your brand, whatever it might be, continue to compete and establish dominance on your competitors. And I think all of those things are great opportunities. That's kind of how I see the shaft that's. How you see the shaft? Barry Mcconnor is Dallin sponsored by Tier. Maybe we're not sure we should ask them.

But now I think the next question should be, do the organizers and the people in charge of the WFP, do they see it as the Diamond League? Because it's easy for the athletes to say that it's easy. And if I was an athlete that had a pro card and all this stuff, I would too. It's free money that I'm getting, right? And like all the Instagram, all the Instagram videos of the athletes talking about the WFP, they're paying them. You're not going to say bad things about people who are

paying you. But if if the WFP came out and said that's exactly what we are, we're we're the Diamond League. We are not trying. We're not what the CrossFit Games are like. We want to one day, we want to grow, and if we can grow and have the most prize money, maybe we can replace it eventually. Like even if they had that game planned. Well, there's more money in the Diamond League than the Olympics.

Right. And I think I'm not looking like a strongman, like where the Rogue Invitational has way more money for strongman than the actual World's Strongest Man. But there's only one title that's the world's Strongest Man. It doesn't even matter that that one has more money. Obviously all the big people want to do it, but it doesn't. It's not the title, right? But if the organizers looked at it like that, I think everybody could be. I think everybody would be all

about the WFPI. Don't think they do. I think the athletes look at it like that. I think if it was that, it would be great and I'm all for it. I think what you guys are alluding to or know or whatever, or rumors, the organizers don't feel that way. Go ahead. I want to spend you have something before I go off. Would you agree with that though, that if it was like that, you'd be all about it if

that's truly was what it was? Yes, somebody made a point to me that they asked some of the athletes when they left, you know how you feel about it. And they were like, oh, it was good. And he was like, was it really good? Like or are you like, if I went, if you, if you went to like a semi final and like I asked you how it was and it was good, you would say like it was good. And that that levity in the good. He was like, I think like that's the bottom paid for side of it.

Is that the the money going towards this is like paying for that, that faith and that seeing things through roads, colored glasses. Now to hit on what John's saying about they want to be the Diamond League or whatever, they 100% don't. I I said they. Should be. That's what they should want to be. That's not what they want. I'm I'm saying we can get behind it if they were and they're not,

and that's why we're not behind. It I I understand OK, they it was not a secret to like I I'm getting rather frustrated because I've heard people say it since is like they're not competing with CrossFit. It is not a secret to those who are there that they are competing with CrossFit. If you just look at like market share, like they are in competition with CrossFit, they are like they're taking sponsors who would otherwise go to other events.

Now I'm not saying like sponsors shouldn't go to the best events. They should. But what I'm saying is is like beyond just market share, they are gunning for taking over the CrossFit sphere. This is where I start to have an issue. I don't care like run a good event. Like, that's great. I care about all the other things that matter. And to me, and I think what I summed it up best, when I talked to somebody notable in the space, they were like, I thought you hate, hated this and. Or.

That no, not in WFP. It took me a little while to articulate it. They they were like, it seems like a concerted effort amongst your group that you didn't cover this and they were like, do you hate, do you really hate the WFP? And I said, I'm not going to speak for the group, but I think for me, what I summarize all this as is until we know what it looks like around CrossFit, we are going to be hesitant. The thing that matters most to me is the nugget of CrossFit. We're changing lives.

We're fixing all that and, and, and the fruits that come out of CrossFit, if they are in competition with CrossFit, this is detrimental to all of that. The longer the bleed goes on of the affiliates that is on CrossFit, but it doesn't help when others might be leaving to be a WFP affiliate. If WFP takes over, those affiliates starts doing all that, that's a drain off of CrossFit.

And at the end of the day, like if everybody left and what became a WWFP affiliate tomorrow, at the end of the day, WFP doesn't hold anything. They do CrossFit, but they don't have that centralized methodology and spirit and mission that CrossFit has. They don't have the religion. They don't have the religion and faith of all of that. And so we need the mothership to survive.

And while I don't work for CrossFit, nor am I fucking paid by CrossFit or anyone I know paid by CrossFit, we care about that. And we equally throw out shots at CrossFit. It's not like we have just been like totally hype on HQ this whole time. Like we care about that mission. We care about the centralized part of it, of what that mission is. And if, if WFP is gunning for that, this will bleed out the entire system to death. It will crash because CrossFit won't quit. WFP won't quit.

And guess what? It's just going to demolish the entire thing. So the longer this goes on, the worse it's going to get. No, I, I, yes, you, you said that perfectly. Like, first of all, I want to address I didn't post things because I was traveling for work. That's why I was not on the show Wednesday. I got back on Friday. I didn't feel well, like exhausted from doing other stuff not related to the barbell spin. I just didn't have time. Like I do it like I share what I can.

It wasn't that I was trying to avoid the world fitness project. I didn't do anything for French throw down either. Like, yeah. So Like Silence was not trying to boycott anything. We didn't talk about the French throw down on on the show. We're not talking about TFX that starts tomorrow like we. Not only did we not talk about it, the people who are throwing shade at us for not covering either one well. He won hosted French Throwdown.

In the the app is the the least participated he won we've ever run. So it's like, throw shade at us. You don't care. You didn't care to play. Yeah, Yeah. So we didn't. Just not cover world fitness prob we didn't cover. Anything. So, yeah, yeah. To John. 'S point. They also. Talked about it on Training Think tank. Let me pull it up here. I think when you are paid you say things differently when asked versus behind the scenes. And and this kind of slipped out. They asked.

Laurie Winkelman asks. How did the lighting affect things? For the athletes, I heard a decent amount. Of complaints on there were three GHDS they said going down light straight in the eye, sitting up light straight in the eye climbs yeah at rope climbs, which they said was a little bit more sketchy and nobody complained about it in person on the jerk, but I heard people commenting on it that it was so the the rule for the jerk was at the. Whoops when I posted a video.

Which was me watching the. Live stream. And I couldn't see anything because it was too dark and I saw videos of others post like from the the. Venue, right, It didn't. Look as dark on the phone coverage or whatever. But if I'm watching the screen, I want to be able to see the athletes and I couldn't see who was in what lane. It was like you back out of the spotlight. You couldn't see it.

Like the shadows were bad. But then everybody, everybody on the on the post, if you go look at some of the athletes. Like Oh no, this the lighting was. Great, that's what I want. Yet back in the back, when they're talking to their coaches and others amongst themselves, they're complaining about the lights in their eyes. The rope climbs. Are sketched 'cause you look. Up and there's a spotlight coming straight.

Down from that you can't. See exactly where you're grabbing or where you're going to hit. First of all, everybody's complaining about safety. That's a safety issue. But to John's point, you're we heard zero complaints about it. Why? Because 40 of the the 100 athletes were paid and everybody wants us to succeed. That was there. I don't want it to fail, but you have to be honest with yourself that. The lighting was not good on the

live. Stream it just wasn't it wasn't and like you have to make it better and. Like the the different color of. Christmas tree lights, whatever. Like fine, but like you go look at any, I dare you to go back and look at a CrossFit Games venue, right? And seeing the crowd, there's something to see in the crowd cheering in front of you, right? Like Noah said, Like, oh, you. Just didn't, you could hear. Them, but you couldn't see them.

How many times does a Games athlete go across the finish line and there's people right there in front giving them high fives, cheering in front of them. They hugged their spouse or whatever, and it's a huge, awesome moment. You got zero of that. And I complained about Rogue. I thought it was too dark. I felt like you couldn't tell that what the atmosphere was and everybody said the. Atmosphere is great there.

We we couldn't tell on the live stream I. Complained about rogue from that I don't like that darkness and I think. Framework events did both. It's their signature. Huh? Turn off. It's a. Let's draw. Go ahead. Go. Ahead spin. Sorry I you have. To like I'm watching this as. A fan this weekend. I didn't I didn't cover it. I'm not doing anything other than just watching the live stream when I had time and I, you know, I, you when, when we call. Something out it's.

Not because we're hating, it's because we're this is what we're seeing. We're not the only ones. And so you have to, you can't confuse A criticism with hate. No. And that's the thing that people don't like that we do is we will openly. Criticize just like we've openly criticized CrossFit for years, but it's like we it's because we wanted to be better. It's only because we are trying to hate it. John. Sorry, John. Let's let's draw lines then, because you guys say that.

The you guys, you guys. Like like. I just I want I. Want a definitive stance, not even just for people, but for me, because I don't know where we are. I know, I know. I was confused. I No, no. Here, here, me out, here, me out. Ben, you just said it's not. That I don't. Want it to succeed if they're definitively against CrossFit, do you not not want them to succeed? Because I I'm with you. If it's if it's like they don't want they want to take over CrossFit if the open.

I'm a full on believer if the open is no more, which would happen if WFP was the leading. Like that's what that's the leading thing in fitness, right? Even if say they did it would like that's the big thing for fitness. If the open goes away, it will be the death of CrossFit. I fully believe that because then there is no community. There is none. And I know some people disagree with that and say the affiliates will always survive.

They I I think it would be the death of CrossFit as we know it, especially as a sport for sure. But I think it would bleed even deeper. So if you think, if you think for whatever reasons and we can talk more in depth on it after the show, like that's that's the goal, that's what they want. There is no, there's not going to be a happy party after this.

Like it's not there's no chance we can't live in harmony or like two different things in the athletes and it's going to be good for the athletes in the future that coincide with the CrossFit games. If you don't think that can happen, why? And then let's let's have a stance on This is why we're not going to cover them because they they. Want the death of? CrossFit. And if they don't, then tell me what we're doing. Like what? I think they are, I think. I think the lie.

I think saying they don't want to they could want. To coexist with CrossFit is not true. And you think the athletes are blind to this? They're lying to the. Athletes. I I think that they I don't think it's a lie, they just haven't stated it. But the athletes are. Blind to it. Some of them probably, I think. A lot of them. I don't think it's a. Bad thing for the athletes. To be blind to it if you're.

Somebody's giving me $30,000. I'm taking it and thinking they're great too, but they're blind to the fact that what they're trying to do big picture, and I think it just needs to be made clear that it's not criticism. These people want to kill CrossFit for their own gain. Let we need to look at it like this is what it is and just make

it clear. And if the and the athletes, the athletes need to know that because I think if they knew that they wouldn't be singing the graces of of WFPI don't do. I don't think Colton's going to randomly now that he's on or it might end. I don't think he's going to sing the graces of WFPI think he's going to take their money and make fun of them. Watch this clip Real Quick is a competitor to WFP. Or do. Music is terrible 2. Separate things or is it? Two things that that can. Absolutely.

Coexist, but there's no competitiveness. Right, well, how do you feel in regards to that? I'm just staying in my own lane. And. Delivering on what our vision is, yeah. And I think the whole team would do that. Like we have too much going on right now to worry about what other people are doing. They're saying in the media or other businesses, we'll focus on delivering an incredible product to our community. That is not the answer. That was being said three months ago.

And we've said the. Whole time 3. Months ago is no. And we want both. We want. The athletes to be able to do both. We just want more opportunities for them. Give them up now, have more money now. It's I'm only focused on myself. I want to not worry about what other people are doing. I think Will should. Talk to the rest of people on his. Team. Look, we have seen it the last. Month athletes have withdrawn

from competitions. Athletes have picked and choose which way they want to go. It it directly competed against the. French throw down and you're not going to tell me. That you didn't know the CrossFit schedule so you just had to pick a date. I'm almost positive they said that that they had to make a change. To the schedule because. It was going to be May 17th in Oklahoma City and they moved it up a week right at the last four years, May 17th has had a semi

final. Don't lie that you're doing that. If if you if you don't want to compete with it, you put it in the. Offseason you put. It in between August and January, right? That's the more opportunities. You don't put it staggering and on top of the CrossFit game season if you don't have a motive to take it over, right? And then you have people like Pat Velner who comes in there underprepared. You have Laura Horvath who throws A temper tantrum on her last lunge.

You have athletes who don't appear to be as trying as hard as they could because in Kotler's terms, it's a season. They're not fighting for that one spot to make it to the Games, to make their season. It's not the playoffs, so they back off if they don't feel like pushing as hard as they can and you have people that have competed multiple weeks in a row. And they don't come in fresh.

You see subpar from what you're used to, and then world in this project is going to add another event next year. How does it make sense? Like athletes are already trying to figure it out. Gazan skipped. Semifinals because she couldn't do multiple weeks in a row. She didn't do mayhem because she had to. She wanted to focus on this and they had a plan to. Try to do. Both, but I asked on Clydesdale, I said how much is too much and. And Kotler couldn't.

Couldn't answer that. They're trying to figure that out right now and you're going to add another another competition. The only thing you can do is then split the. You have to make a decision. You can't do both well and all these athletes have had multiple opportunities to. Compete. You could compete. At Wadapalooza in person, you could compete in semifinals, the Games, Rogue, if you're good enough, which is all this is really matters about. You have Dubai Down Under championship.

There's all kinds of in person competitions that are large enough and athletes skip them over and over and over again because they couldn't compete too much. And now you have a new league in there and you're saying. Yeah, we're. Not we're not trying to compete. We're going to put a competition right in the middle of your schedule a month after in the same month as the games, and we're going to add 1 next year. Tell me you're not competing. Tell me you're not trying to blow it up.

And we're going to come down with a watered down product. If half the athletes decide to go WFP route for $30,000 a year, great. But if they come out and say it, what then? Well, at least we know. What we're dealing with right now, we, we, we have to read. But I think you've kind of convinced. Yourself. That's what we're dealing with. So like, we are, we are. They just won't say it. I I'm saying, well, let's just talk about it like that's what it is. Well, it's OK, so they.

Come out and they say, they say I need somebody this ask Will. Directly, do you want to take over the? CrossFit Spear and ultimately means the death of the CrossFit Games. I like just that question straightforward and not word salad answer like yes or no, you know what I mean? And then just you answer the questions. What would that gain then? Well, that's what I'm asking, Spin. Like you, you're. Clearly convinced of this and I'm not. Saying you're wrong.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just wish we could not be selfish either things, you know what I mean? Like I wish it could just be another competition. It was well ran, probably not sustainable, but the competition was good. I wanted to coexist. I wanted to be successful for the athletes, but it's WF PS fault if they're like they can't accept what role they could have. They could have you.

You understand what I'm saying like, and if they're not going to, I want it to be abundantly clear. And if that's what we're operating off of that this is what they're going to do, then let's not talk about the Will's word salad. Let's not talk about like the inconsistencies we're there. They're trying to take over CrossFit. They don't want to. Say it, but they are. They don't say it's the

athletes. Every single time we have an athlete on here, we should say, do you know you're being lied to? That should be the first question. And then see how they. Answer it and be. Like I know you're getting paid $30,000. You don't have to answer the question, but you are blind to what they want to do. They don't want CrossFit to be a thing anymore. Like, that's how we should operate. We shouldn't be like, well, maybe you know what I mean?

Like, it's already done. And we're convinced, is what I'm saying. Like, let's make it clear all the way around. Dallon's answer to that question is very telling. Like I had never heard somebody speak like that about the two because I think if every other communication, it's been world. Fitness projects where it's at. That's where I want to put my focus on. And to Dallin's statement it it to me. It sounds like, hey, I still want to win the CrossFit.

Games I don't mind doing this because there's some money on the line and I'll compete and I'm fitness privileged. That's that's Tyler's words, not mine or his, but I don't think it's sustainable. And if you listen to. Talking to Elite Fitness Tommy Marquez. Is like, oh, what if athletes go to the TFX this weekend to get hurt and then they end up getting into the through the semifinals? They didn't have to compete. You can say the same thing about going to World Fitness Project

instead of going. To the games like somebody. Could have gotten hurt. Like Travis Mayer's hurt, Bethany Bethany Flores is hurt. Emily Rolfe sounds like she's hurt. Like what if they don't go to the CrossFit Games this year? Do you blame the athletes for? Trying to get theirs, no. I don't blame the athletes at all, but I don't think they should be. Lied to. I think World Fitness Project is

lying to them. I think Dallon is blind to what's really happening and I think he would admit that he's blind to what's really happening. I think he hopes it's the Diamond League. He wants that to be the case. That's why he answered it that way, because to him that's what it feels like. Like there's way for the world athletes to make money, but it's not and it's a way from. Everything else they don't. See. They're not a part of, you know

what I mean? So I think most of the athletes are are blind to this and I don't think it's their fault at all. Now, let me let me ask you, let me ask you this question. Hold on, hold on, hold on right here. Adidas is kind of a dope sponsor. If you watch Hiller's video, it's pretty. It sounds like they. Paid $0.00. Same with Noble. That's the rumor going on is that those guys paid $0.00. That's not a sponsor deal. Let. Me. Ask you what were you going to

say? John, let me ask you this question if. If they were like, our goal is to be the biggest. Thing in CrossFit. The CrossFit Games can still be the CrossFit Games, but we're going to operate and we want it. We want to eventually be the biggest thing. And like they were up front about saying that and they're not trying to replace the CrossFit Games. They're still going to be the

open. They're still going to be like, however you get to the CrossFit Games, but like how Rogue Rogue is, you know, the winner of Rogue wins basically the same amount as the CrossFit Games. They're close enough, right? If Rogue was $500,000, it would be the most, but I still think the CrossFit Games would be the CrossFit Games. Rogue has never tried to step on CrossFit Games toes ever, right? They have great relationship, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Do you think it's possible for the World Fitness project to want to do that, for that to be their goal and it can coexist. But like the strongman thing, like it's just it, it does get bigger than I don't think it's sustainable either. I'm just saying, I'm just saying like on a cloud 9 future trip, do you think they could be what they want to be and then the CrossFit Games still be the CrossFit Games, the Open still be the open. You can't have you can't have 4

plus competitions a year. And in that that interview that you saw there with Will, he's talking about even having on more or adding in person challenger qualifiers, not the online piece of things like adding. More and more and more. Like not going to work. Like you cannot do that. And I get Kotler on here right now, and he'd say I don't know how. Many times that Alex can. Compete.

Alex is 23. She could probably compete as much as anybody else, but concerned about her injuries, concerned about overuse, concerned about. Burnout, all of that stuff. And as it is now, even if they're just four and they say we want to coexist, there's. Athletes making decisions. French throw down look at the field that just competed not even close to what semifinals was last year Why? Because all the European athletes that are still competing were in Indianapolis,

right? So you, you, you're watering down the field in both cases. Because if it would have been. Nice. Maybe Brontoslaw? Would have competed in WFP. OK, that that probably adds to the challenger field or or the the pro field if he made it in the qualifier. Like those athletes could all be in one spot, but they're not going to be because there's too many competitions that are going to overlap. It's just not going to work. Clip this athletes be ready. Next year, the. WFP will have more.

Events. And they will schedule. It during the CrossFit season with no regard. I'm not telling you that this might happen. This is 100% going to happen like on Syndicate on. An affiliate semi finals. Good chances any if you're going to have one, if you're going to have one. Per quarter. It's going to line up pretty darn close. And you're you're telling me? That people can't adjust. Their training and and make it. Only a few can. So.

John, you wanted a definitive. Statement of where I stand I'm. Not going to turn this into a red team versus a blue team thing. The thing I care about is is maybe the red team, if we're going to be 1, whatever color you want, green. Orange. Let's let's. Let's explicitly use red and blue, and I want to be red, OK? The well scenario. Three, which is new commenter, welcome to.

The show scenario three, I doubt it will happen Tyler dot dot dot they're going to fold under the financial pressure. I will say this very, very clearly, billions of dollars at their. Disposal. Billions. I won't play the. Red team versus. Blue team game, I think some. Of the things they're trying to do, like some of their initiatives are good. You want to pay the athletes, you want to highlight people you want to get you want them to give more team like opportunities for sponsorship or

highlight them that that's cool. It's all great. Even with the the affiliate thing or the the world fitness, what's it called? Projects. Yeah, projects cool. It's like that's. Just CrossFit, that's what. It's doing. You knew what? It was called. Man, don't be 7. That's. A bit. Come on. No, I really. I really didn't know. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Look, look, look, look. You tried to. Take seven. You weren't sucking. Up like a madman right now. Dude, come on, it is trying to.

It is the trying to destroy of. What we're all. After and you, I think they think this is a good idea and, and they are paying the athletes to believe that what they're doing is the right thing. And I think if athletes step away and they look at the full, the full scope, John, you were saying like the athletes, they need to ask the questions or somebody in the comments was saying like the athletes should be smart enough to answer the questions they can answer or ask

questions all day. But if you're told a lie, you don't know any fucking better. And I was like, I don't. I don't blame the athletes at all. I think a few. Of them might. Know, but I think the vast majority of them are just trying to do what's good for them. And it's like, I'm not asking you to take money out of your pocket to save some higher idea. That's that's my job. But like, it's a lot more complicated than it seems. And the.

Methodology and all that stuff that our ecosystem suffers the longer this goes on. Now there is a possibility in which WFP could buy CrossFit. That's very real, very real. And then what does that look like? What happens if they buy CrossFit? That that's what I just asked. I. Know I'm asking you guys. I wouldn't ask you the question. If I knew the answer, Tyler. Then. What's the? Solution I I mean I might I I I I. Offered this conversation.

To somebody. And I was like, hey, what if I kind of have to shut up if they do buy a CrossFit and they uphold the methodology and they said I don't think they will because ultimately this is all been about money so far. Somebody said this is a business model. It is a business model. And what I. Fear is that they do, that they do take over. I mean, yeah, you can reject the offer until they come in with some of them billions, and then you can't reject the offer

anymore. They're being sold by Berkshire. Yeah. It's not Crossfit's decision. It's it's Berkshire. No, like I'm still going to cover it, but I'm not. I don't. You, you heard? Parents say it. It seemed like it was more of a just somewhat somewhat of an exhibition. Dallon's talking about it as a a a money league. It's not the playoffs like the CrossFit game. Season like. We want to crown the fittest on earth.

We want to see who can take the methodology the furthest to become the fittest on Earth. That's what excites me, right? Watching people do thrusters for. Points is not. As exciting, it's not going to be right like over like multiple competitions and all this. Stuff and you're not going. To be trying as hard if there is nothing else out there and that was what it was, OK, fine. But you can't come in and try to bully and push off. I don't want to say bully, but like come in and.

And. Use different language to say what you're trying to do and it's not actually upfront, you know we. Started covering and we started doing CrossFit. We didn't come in and do the world fitness project. And time and time again, new leagues have been formed. Live golf, IndyCar racing, a lot of these things have come in with a competing league and it's blown up. And both have suffered from it. And CrossFit is not big. Enough if you care about this if. You care about watching the

sport. It's not big enough to handle that blow up. It's not and like. But again, what's? What is the solution then? Hate, hate on it. That's not a solution, says. I know he's convinced that. He's convinced that. CrossFit will always. Be. Around and I, I. Think differently. I don't, I don't. I don't disagree with you. The methodology will live on Forever 100. Percent. And he's saying, like the affiliates won't, the wind in our sails changes greatly.

With. The more you turn into F45 with barbells. I agree and it's like. That that becomes died down eventually. And that's what I'm concerned of. Go find a podcast about F45. Go find a podcast. About Orangetheory, right? It's just a gym. That's all it is. There's a difference. There's a reason who want to feel. Good about themselves that aren't actually doing anything right. Like there is a. Difference, and I'm not saying the sport is the the.

The competition side, the game side is what has to be there, but it it does draw an entire world together for an open, a community, things that are bigger than that. And yeah, great. There's a there's CrossFit as a gym down the road and you can go across the country and find a CrossFit gym. It is different if you don't have that and if that's what gets torn down. So we could have the top 20 athletes make a. Career out of. It I don't think it's not worth it. It's not worth it, but OK.

The the only. Thing that can stop it then is the athletes not doing it right. Like what else? And they're, and they're going to be forced to make that decision. Next year and we'll see. What happens and if it's some athletes really think this is the future and then some athletes have that feeling of like I can't do both I'd. Still rather. Be crowned fittest on earth, like Dallon said.

And let's say Dallon goes to CrossFit Games route and let's say Medeiros goes world fitness project, right? Let's say Hatfield goes. World Fitness and Colton Goes Games. That would suck to not watch them compete in the same arena. So what? What do we do? We. We. I think and what I will continue to do. Is I'll cover it, but don't look to me to be like the most excited person. Don't expect to have all these prediction shows or a a World Fitness Project mountain. Like we would still.

Watch it. We'll still talk about it like we are now. We're not going to ignore it and I don't think again this past weekend was not ignoring it like there are life events that happen. Tyler was there, I was there, but like and we're going to use with a baby on the way it was. Not an easy fucking. Thing to do? We're going to talk about world fitness. Project, we're going to think about it in terms of. How it impacts the CrossFit.

Games, but it's all all it's going to be is a toggle on down like it's one one of the. Topics but don't. Yeah, but don't. Expect us to be like, screw the CrossFit Games, we're going to cover this. This is the most. Important thing because I think it is dangerous to CrossFit and the CrossFit Games. The athletes and the community. I wish, I wish the athletes would all watch. This. Episode then not even the whole episode but like just. This part. So.

They can. 'Cause I, I had five athletes text me and say, why can't you guys get on board with the World Fitness Project? And I know Tyler had countless people ask him the same thing. And I want it to be made so clear that this is, these are the lines in the sand. And we are team CrossFit, CrossFit survival and they are not. And that is why we do what we do. It is not because we're hating.

They have made this line and we're we're choosing to be on this side of it. I've said it if they put it. In the offseason. Not in the middle of the game. Season, I think it could be great. We are a. 100%. On board dude. Late August to. Late August to. Mid January like that's your. That's your season, everything could coexist and everything would be great.

And I want, I want people to understand I am not like pro WFPI, just want it to work for everybody so badly 'cause I know the athletes want it to work and I care about the athletes, believe it or not. I know I speak pretty bad about them a lot, but I want it to succeed. I want the sport to grow and I think it could help everything grow, but it cannot compete with the CrossFit Games and that's on them. That's on them. So I I'm. Team hater if we want to go.

That route is what I'm. Saying we'll go bored. It's Ben's been the captain for a while. Do you you? Understand where I'm at though, like I. Don't understand you were you were asking about solutions? What do we? Do just CrossFit take them down? I need a box will more. Add we need pay-per-view boxing match. I think there's going. To be so many put people pull this podcast and they'll be like, they haven't said that. They are against CrossFit and it's like, no, they haven't said

it to you. They have said it to some people. There's we'll just. Set it in that. We'll set it in that interview. Well, I think. Spin you're reading. Into it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The messaging. Has changed no and I I need. Clear questions asked him and so you. Can only answer yes or no. And if he can't do it, you've said yes or no. Yeah. Yes, and I think the. The the WWE and the WCW did come together. We aren't those things. They were much larger at the time.

We can't, we can't withstand that sort of blast right now. And I, I get it, dude. Like I'm saying like, oh, CrossFit, like they should be able to withstand. They should be able to stand on their own. They fucking can't right now. And that's why it's like, OK, what do we do, John? You were asking? CrossFit can't do anything right now. They can't. They don't have the money. Berkshire doesn't want to fight. They have. They try to. They have to try to sell.

WFP might be a potential buyer. So they can't go against the WFP right now. They can't do anything about this. There is one way through this, and it's Rich Froning. OK, I like it. Go ahead. I'll leave Frazier. 9:00 and 9:00 Thank you for covering all the CrossFit cop topics. So well. Jump ship, you're right. Rich Froning for CEO. I'm I'm all for it. You like it What you like that If it? Means that we. Succeed. Yes, I'm all. For it I. I don't care how. We get there.

I just want CrossFit to survive, I want the Open to stay, I want the community to be excited about the Open again, and I want the Games to always be the Super Bowl of fitness. That is all that is. My whole agenda is that I don't go around and say that I care about European athletes and then not cover the French throwdown. That's not what I do spend because somebody else has paid me. I say exactly what I want to say and I follow through on everything. That's one thing.

I think, Tyler, you might have said this. Whatever. Whatever I say to your face, whatever I say to your face, that's what I'm saying behind your back. It's the. Exact same. Thing I have I have no agenda at all. I I want people to work together, but I think I'm nicer actually in person than most people. But I and there's no hidden agenda if we're going to, if we're going. To go to war. Then we're going to go to war, and I'm all for Rich if Rich means that we win the war.

Yeah. All right, I'm going to leave you with this. Will Morad come join our short next? Show next week Jon wants. To ask you if you add the balls will morad and if you don't then that shows us what type of man. You are OK. We'll see you next week. Will I apologize to? Absolutely nobody.