Good evening everybody. Welcome to a bonus edition of the Spin. It's May 10th Friday night. Hopefully John Young will be here soon to join us. He actually is setting up a new MacBook Air laptop. So he has better technology. He's just trying to get it all set up. So he is going to hopefully join us if he can get that all working. In the meantime, I wanted to jump on here tonight and discuss the CrossFit Games allocations that just came out.
So yeah, we're going to open up the phone line here after I kind of go through what is happening here, so you guys can weigh in. But Travis. Yeah, Solo spin. That's right. Kathy, good morning. From Down under. I imagine everybody in Oceania is pretty happy right now. So go back two days and. Well, actually Vittorio. Yes, looking fresh. Got a haircut. Also, if you notice, I am wearing a CrossFit shirt. This is one of the Northern Spirit shirts called the Smurf Shirt.
I don't know how I got it. I received the package in the mail from from Northern Spirit and yeah, there was this shirt in here. It is giant. This is a size large and it is the biggest, heaviest shirt I've ever owned. So if you're at one of the semi finals, I I believe Northern Spirit will be at all of them. Yeah, if it if it's your style, go for it. Otherwise, you know, you can just watch me wear this crazy huge thing. Yes, this is a large, like I am
6 foot tall. I am not Savant's size, and this thing swallows me up. And Pedro actually commented he has one too and said that it's like scuba material, like this thing where Melanie, there's no chance I fill it out. It is ridiculously huge. So yeah, going back to the allocations, 2 days ago Boz was on our show and he offered up one of an interesting thing that we really hadn't talked about and that is the the number of allocations to the CrossFit
games for each semi final. And I had written some articles the last couple months talking about how Oceanic could get an extra spot the women. Also how possibly South American women could get a spot. If it all worked out then Bosman drops this. For you guys to we're going to release the strength of field distribution on Friday. On the show Live Cool. Right now.
So Friday, those are coming out and one thing I want to say about that, you know we since we introduced that system, you know people are always kind of asking what athletes are included in that pool etcetera. And a lot of kind of criticism around like OK, what about athletes that go team, what about athletes that decline their invite, that sort of thing. So this year we are going with only athletes that are active participants in the individual
semi finals. So that means only athletes that are competing in that division that have knocked on team are not declined for some other reason. So it'll truly be just the group of participants that are at that semi final dictating how many spots that they get.
So there you go. And to be honest when Baz mentioned that it didn't really register how big of an impact that was going to be. Now I've done the calculations, you know on the on the old format how it was done last year and it basically just took the top 100. If you competed in in quarter finals in the individual quarterfinals you were gaining points and you would be included
in the worldwide rankings. And so even if you didn't qualify when you were 99th in the worldwide rankings your your rank then went into this the haunt method calculation and you could help your region gain a spot.
And so like Matilda Garnes obviously going team this year, she joined the did the individual quarterfinals I imagine she did it and registered for it to help out Europe. Now it didn't really matter and so like that morning we started like I started looking at it and I started talking with Halpin and he started doing some calculations. John. Hey, I'm on a different browser, I'm not on that different computer, so if I start tripping out I'll go to my phone, OK? All right. All right.
Well, thanks for joining. And so he was like I I'm getting some weird results. Have you done the calculations yet? And so I started kind of running it my way and we got very, very similar answers. And that's what you saw him post on Instagram yesterday.
And it was basically saying that look South America, Asia, Oceania would be starting to get an extra spot and we felt pretty confident about it. But until today we got the final announcement and for sure like there's just one little blip in the in the press release that was sent that look we're changing it based off of if you compete, you know you're not even changing. It's like it's just based off of if you're in the in the semi final or not.
And what happens really is you start looking at these top 100. You know, you go through the top 100 that was and you start knocking off people like Paige, Powers, Nick, Matthew. And you start going down the list and you start kind of back filling with 101102103. And you start realizing that all of those people who are back filling athletes who like Mal, who aren't competing, like Ellie, who's dropped out, all the team athletes, all the athletes that didn't qualify,
you start going down the list. Next thing you know, you're in the two hundreds on the worldwide rankings that are now the 100th person that counts in this list. And just given how the calculations have worked, like this shakes everything up. And now it gives the smaller regions a much bigger impact into the season.
And so, you know, basically if you start looking at this, you know, you look at the men, North America East has 11, North America West has nine, Europe gets 10, South America with three, Oceania with four, Asia with two and Africa with one. On the women's side, American, North America East also get 11, Europe gets 10, North America West down to 8, South America, Asia both get three, Oceana gets four and Africa gets one.
And so when you look at it side by side from last year to this year, basically what you see on the men's side is North America, East and Europe both lose a spot and those go to Oceana and South America. The women's side, North America West loses 2, Europe loses one and those go to Oceana, Asia and South America. So it is significant change to what I was expecting just two days ago. I think what everybody was and it definitely shakes up what our
season is going to look like. John, you saw the news, I'm sure you saw what happened and put out yesterday we were talking about initial reaction. I think the women are getting hosed is. I don't think it makes that much of a difference for the men. It is, and I mean it. The East, the East, if anything in general. I think the East in general is getting hosed, men and women.
But the women and the women overall, especially if you look at the men, the people who got the extra spot, is Oceana and South America correct? Yes. And South America, like Kaike and Kalyan, they did the games last year and they were fine. They weren't great, but they were fine. You know the Kaike's got a certain like send it way about them that like he can do some things in some in some events, you know, and then ghee obviously is a home run hitter through and through.
The extra spot in Oceana on a normal basis would be a good thing, but they've got an abnormal amount of guys going team or just not competing in individual. But if you think about all of those guys, like you know they have a big three right now with Ricky, Jay and Bailey. And I mean, I think of guys like Roy stun James Newberry back in the day, but not anymore. Like there's room for those guys now. Maybe even Jake Douglas kind of
snipes his way in there again. So, like, I don't think it's the end of the world for the men. Like what I'm saying is like, the guys that end up coming in, they're not that much worse than the guys that are like that would have gone there from the East or or Europe, right? The women's completely different. The women, the P, the girls that are going to make it now are are irrelevant. They were already irrelevant in Asia and South America. No offense, y'all. You just are like you're not as
good at all. I'll take. Listen, I am not a big Danny Spiegel fan, but I will take Danny Spiegel over third place in South America all day every day, right? Like like the girls in the West are down to 8 now. So you're thinking like Bethany Flores, Kyra Milligan, I mean, Kelsey kill Danny Spiegel like those, that kind of echelon. All of those women are better than #1 in Asia and South America. By a lot, By a lot. So it's sucky.
I I wish they would adapt, adopt to get with the programming way that they've kind of listed out where it's just quarterfinals in the open. But I'm pretty sure that, I mean that's going to show out like the West gets like 6 people, like it's even worse on their side. But if you know that going in, people would try much harder in the Open and quarter finals, and I think it would, I think it would bear different placings. Yeah. Julian Iford, new YouTube member.
Thank you very much. Yeah, I want to get into each of the regions here in a second. And also you see the phone line is now open. So if you do have any comments, want to want to weigh in, feel free to call. We'll answer the phone call and get your thoughts and. You're looking, and the European women too, they get one less spot when the whole this whole year we've been talking about how European women are dominating everybody.
And I mean not like the top of the top, but the after the top, like 20 girls, Europe's got like 50 girls better than everybody else after the top 20, right? And those girls are getting hosed like the Jackie Dahlstrom's, the Jennifer Muir's, the Claudia Glucks of the world. Those girls are getting hosed for John Jung in Asia. No offense. You are my Asian female counterpart. I'm rooting for you all the way. But you know I don't want you to get a pity vote, and that's what
you're getting. And I know it's based on performance. So how are they getting a pity vote? They're not. It's based on performance. Those girls aren't going to be as good. They are trash compared to the girls that are there. You're taking the spots away. From They just are. Yeah, I want to. I want to address this one here. Eduardo Montero. The rules are being respected. The quarterfinals are setting the spots for semifinals. This is the sport evolution that
we are talking about. All right. So and that's that kind of leads into the question I wanted to to bring up is up until Baz shared that information on Wednesday, we didn't even ask him about it. He brought it up. Nobody knew about this. No. Athletes, No. Coaches like Oh yeah for I need to say this cause nobody like. Nobody else knows about it. Like if if they had, if he had not said this like a few hours ago, we would have been all been shocked at what's going on.
Like what's going on? How are you changing this? Like like help and Headed would not have done the calculations. Like we would have been hours behind trying to figure out what is going on. And like I I hear you like the rules. The rules are the rules, but they're brand new to us. We've known this for 48 hours and we have no idea when CrossFit made this decision, I think. It's better than what they had
though. It is based on the people who are competing and like if the outcome is worse, but I think it's better than what they were doing and I think you're hung up on the outcome and it is worse, it is worse, but it should be based on the people competing. Yes, and the thing. And like if you want to and like like the I honestly, I think they get with the programming, the way they're doing it, the way Hoppin wrote it up and like their whole thing.
I think that's the best way. That's the perfect way to do it when they do their show tomorrow, right? It's tomorrow or it's Monday. What's that? When? They do. Who's going to be who they would have as their the final people that get in the games? Thought it was tomorrow, but I could be wrong, OK? Well, when they do it, it is. I think tomorrow at 12 or something like that. I'm pretty sure it's going to bear out the same thing that the games is doing right here, but worse I bet.
I think North America, West girls get like 6 girls and all of those in Asia gets 3. But where it's a little bit different and where I think it's way better is that all the girls that are getting taken away go to Europe. You know, like it's like the it's like Europe gets like 15 girls, right? And like that's how it should. But, but they're performing right? Like when you talk about both men and women in quarterfinals, they're top 100 in the world, all 40 women.
But what? I'm saying is that's where the difference is in the outcome. The same amount of women are getting taken away from these good regions, but it's going to women who have performed better. And somehow, and I what I'm saying is the what CrossFit Games is doing, I think is better than what they had. I don't think people competing in team or who are retired should count towards your number of people just because they did good in the past and they took
those people out. I think that's good of them. The outcome is just worse. And I just think that's unfortunate. I don't think that's it's hard to complain about that. I think it's just unfortunate. It is worse though. Those girls are way worse. Chris Giles, but they needed to tell people before quarter. So the one they were informed and two, incentivized, I don't think, I don't think 2 is correct. I think everybody was incentivized to do their their
best in quarter finals. I think one is definitely important. You need to start telling people before they start competing what they're actually doing.
I just don't think we know how these, how the structure is set up like right, how many points you get in the opening quarter, finals and then the semifinals, how that how the different regions interact because the semifinals, the worldwide points that you've got in the last, you know, two years, like how how does a third place in South America compare to 13th place in North America East? So what you're saying is there should be some type of a multiplier for the better
regions. I I don't know like they did. They obviously they were different, right? Like they gave more points to North America East 3rd place versus South America third place, but we just don't know how that kind of works as athletes shuffle in and out and things like that. Like the problem with North America with the big three regions is you have a lot of turnover, you have a lot more new athletes coming in and you have a lot of athletes stepping away.
Whereas in some of these developing regions, they're the same athletes like South America had the same top five. They're still in quarter finals and individuals, right? And they're all with the semi finals. You don't have that in the big three like they're going team they're somewhere quitting retiring whatever injured and it's it's mixing this up and and I don't know what this looks like if they if they don't change it next year. Do we see even more athletes from the smaller regions
starting to get the restart. Africa was very close like they needed five people right. You need five people in the top 100 to get an extra spot. Africa had four and their fifth was like 108th, so they were very close to getting the second spot, the. Multiplier is not what the
multiplier needs to be more. They they need to figure out how how that multiplier looks, maybe based off of what your quarter final performance is or something like that, because it's all been arbitrary like CrossFit has set this up without really having enough historical data to make real decisions off of it. Can you not somewhat just one for one in the world? Well, the problem is you have each semifinal. It gets their own points, right? And so now what? I am.
What I'm saying is you just get points based on your world times. Yeah, but the but then you have the magic. Sometimes you get the magic carpet right. So everybody in, everybody in Oceana gets way ahead because they have a better for one. Event. I get it. But if you start weighing all those out next, you know you have Oceania way ahead of other regions because they've got they they're all the top, you know, 40 in the world.
And then you have North America East that's getting hosed and they're way in the back and they can't make up that ground. It's a really tough way to to do that. And now you have the run that's outside. We can't, we're not going to be able to compare those either either. You know, more turns, slightly different distances. Yeah, it's going to be kind of a mess. Do you think it would be unprofessional to be like if you if you do not have somebody in
the top 30 then you lose a spot? At the games, yeah. 'Cause I think there should be something like that. Like you can get spots based on your performance in the, you know, before the games, but ultimately you want the fittest 40 people there. You want diversity, but you want the fittest 40 people there. You want to mesh the best of
those two worlds, right? Like if you don't have somebody in the top 30, then whatever you got, it's going to be -1 unless it's and then you can cap it at one or two, right? You can always cap it at 1:00 and then whatever, right? So if they're at, if they're at like you take Asia for instance, Asia has three people and then. If they send it and they're all, you know, 37th, 38th, 39, because that's what they're going to be. I'll say I could probably finish. She'll finish in the 20s.
She'll be the 37th the like, then you get minus, then you get -1. So when they're three next year, it's only two, and then that spot will go to the next person. I mean, that's something to consider for sure. All right, here we go, caller. Hello. Hello. Yes, go ahead. Who? Who we got here? We got Burton. Burton, welcome to the spin. Appreciate it. I got a thought. You're you're debating how to get so many people across the world. Why don't you treat it like the
Boston Marathon? Have qualifying scores. You do your quarter final workout. If you get qualifying scores in the top X of the world, that gets you a spot in two semi finals for your region. So then you're basing it off of equal scoring in equal setting in quarter finals. That gets you to X number of spots, then into the games and semi finals for your region because you have qualifying scores.
You can't do it for semi finals because there's different venues, different magic carpets, etcetera. But if you're doing it at quarter finals, everyone set up the same everyone. Video standards judged should be. And then you base it off of that to make it as fair as you can. Because doing this magic formula isn't fair to anybody because how does it apply? But if you have qualifying scores, you get it, then go ahead and get your spots for your region and incentivize you.
It's easy. Major marathons do it and everybody wants in and it it manages to work. I think the difference though is when you run a marathon, everybody's running 26.2 miles and everybody is not doing the same. I don't think you can do that online. I'm against that online I. Mean Could you do? That at a semi finals then like the semi finals are tough and you can't make it the same. It sounds a lot like what Chase doesn't get, what the
programming system is right? Like it's based off of current year performance at the quarter finals and that? Way you get European, like did European women get rewarded because they have those qualifying scores that are so deep they didn't knock out some of those non qualifying scores? Thank you, Burton. And how? Would you? OK. Is this your mind? Nope, Nope. I just go ahead. I mean Burton's. Burton's idea in the. Qualifying scores, then?
Well I I think it, I think it I don't want to say qualifying scores. I think it's more of how do you do in quarterfinals determines how many. I mean I think it goes straight to what Chase is saying is look at current year performance on how you do it. Quarterfinals take the top 100 in the world right your your the the quarterfinals worldwide leaderboard.
That's your top 100 now due to haunt based off of that like obviously Chase. Chase adds the Chase adds the Open as a third score and he has two in the quarterfinals. What if we just look at the quarterfinals? I mean it's a similar very. I like using the. Open to make it matter then. Because then the open does matter. And I get it, it the programming's wildly different. It's it's cardio city. Europe loves it. Go Europe.
But I I, I like the Open being in it too, because that way the best of the best are trying their hardest. And like we don't have that right now. I think the only way we have that is if Taylor dies and if we're like, hey, watch us kill Taylor over and over again, those people try their hardest. But everybody else, like, it's kind of like there's no incentivization unless you're gone and unless you're trying to win.
Yeah, I I mean, again, Chase's. Chase's system shows it and is really drives home who is doing the best this current year and mentally is confused. Is it based off athlete performance this season, or is it athlete performance in previous seasons dictating this year's allocation?
It's actually two years of data. So it's actually starts in 2022 semifinals, the 22 games, all of the 23 season and then this year's open in quarter finals accumulate points based off of that and then you go find the top 100 who are registered for individual semi finals now. So it's a little bit of both, but it's heavily weighted on prior years.
And so again, oh, here we go, Hiller, hold up, weren't we complain last year that it was impossible for the smaller countries to ever get more spots? So whatever then. Now they have more spots. Good. Go ahead, Brian, I. Think you do have a problem than I do. It was only a problem for Africa. The other regions had it. I think this, I don't think the system. I'll answer that here in a second. Here we go, caller go. Ahead caller. Stan, Yes. Are you guys on the semi finals or what?
You keep ignoring me in the chat and it's kind of hurting me. I feel sad. Who we got here? What? You don't have my numbers here, he. Said, he said. Are you going to semi finals? Oh, I am not. I will not be. Yeah, are. You in the semi finals I. Will not be at semi finals. Rather not. You, John. No, Sir. Not that I cared. Oh, what? What's the hurt of me? Nick. Wow, I'm sitting. I'm sitting. No, we will not be at and I have. No opinion about the semi final
spots, I'm sorry. Or the the game spots. I'm I'm a meme page. I'm not. I don't have smarts like that. I leave that up to to you guys. So you're OK with Asia getting 3? No, but no. I. Mean. Just because you do have a mobside. Team, Does that mean? Well, yeah, but it's not. I mean, it's just based off of nothing, really. I mean it. You know Jamaica, Do they have a bobside team?
Should they go to the Olympics every year just just cause, just 'cause they have one or or should we get the the best bobsled teams to the Olympics? Probably get the best if. You told me, I don't know, Classic movie was going to come out about that third Asian Crossfitter. I'd be for it. I mean, there you go. There you go. Then I'll be invested. I'll change my mind. The the Olympics don't even have the best athletes, right? Like that's why you have a Jamaican. Bobsled team there.
Right, Like it gets the. Olympics, The best athletes and every weight lifter would be Chinese. They had to limit it because the Chinese had the best lifters in the world and they only could have told them that you can only send 4. Right. Yeah. So, but, but at the end of the day, you still. Yeah. But I guess. You still get the podium, right I. I guess my question my my question is is like why? Why do we have to be inclusive to the other countries? Is is it to grow CrossFit or is
it? But what's the reason other than just being for the sake of being inclusive, 'cause if it's to grow CrossFit, then I I don't agree with that, 'cause you know the the CrossFit will grow on its own, naturally. If if they know what they're doing with it, you don't use the game spots. You know, I I don't. You know, you don't use the game spots to grow CrossFit, I don't think. I I mean, I I think you have to
host each region, right? Like you got to have something there to give people access to get to it. I just think it needs to be more performance based. And I just I I think this system that they have implemented does not. We don't have, we don't know how it interacts and how it will be an iteration year after year and then you change it. Yeah. How it's not performance based. Yeah, because they've set up arbitrary points. They've set up arbitrary points
for semi finals, right. Like we talked about it earlier, like, why does North America East 3rd place get so many points versus Asia's third place? So it's. An invalid amount of points. If you get 15th in North America East, you should get the same amount of points as third place and we. Just don't. We just don't know how how it works. And now we're starting to see when you change it to only the athletes who are we don't, we don't have enough scenarios to be able to run right.
Like you need multiple years of this to be able to see like, hey, the point system that we have implemented is going to work. They ran it off of two years, made the system realize probably that zero regions are ever going to get something else. Let's change it. And then all all these small regions start getting it. And for anybody to argue that Europe is in the like Europe should not get an extra spot is crazy that. Europe, Europe should lose a spot to Asia. Right. I think it's.
More. Yeah, and that's really where it gets the crux of it. Yeah. And I and I know you guys are more savvy with the numbers and everything, but like it, like you said, if you know this is, you know, if they're going to change it every year, then then none of this is ever going to work. But like you said if in a couple years this might pan out differently but the the problem is a consistency and nobody
knows how it works. And and I don't know like and I, and I'm not you know, smart with the numbers or anything, but I know like a lot of you guys are and it's just kind of funny how some guy in their spare time can come up with a better system than what they have and and kind of be consistent with it. And. It is just frustrating. I think it's. Hard to beat that man and.
Well, not even department. You know even even Tyler Barclay help and all those guys they they all you know and I'm sure spin you could even come up with something themselves and it's just like you guys are doing it in their spare time as a as a side gig coming up with better systems than whoever at CrossFit is putting something together. I I don't know who, but it it's just it's funny. Yeah, yeah, Thanks Nick.
And no, we will not. Well, we will not be at semi finals, but we'll try not to ignore. Yeah, well that sucks. Maybe next year. All right. Thanks, Dave. Ldy. So we lose Danny Spiegel to an Asian girl. It's. Possible, but it could be my Asian counterpart. Just saying to answer, I want to go back to Hitler's question because we didn't answer it. I think the reason why Brian is up in arms is because it's not the way they currently did it.
He don't. He does not think that the people earned those spots that they currently have. And so if if I keep saying her name and I'm sorry, girl, if you listen to the podcast and you are a fan, I'm sorry we keep bringing you at the expense of this. But if Dejuan Jung, like if Truly is truly bet better than Danny Spiegel, then she's deserving of that spot and she should go. Brian is saying the next 10 girls after Danny Spiegel are better than Juan Jung.
And honestly, probably the next 20. Same for the East. Same for the girls in Europe. Sarah Sigmund's daughter would run rough shot on Dejuan Jung. All right, who's the 3rd girl you want to throw in South America? Seung Joan Choi, That's. That's Asia, South America. And where South America? South America. Amanda Fusima. Fusima. Yeah, you don't know who Amanda Fusima is. No, Amanda Fusima gets in Hiller. It's not. She didn't earn it. It's just some weird the way the
equation works. She gets in and that girl is not better than whoever you want to throw in Europe or the Europe or the East or the West. Because E lost 1, E lost 1, W lost two and Europe lost one, right? Yes. One went to Oceana. I don't think we can. I don't think we have a problem with that. On the men's side, yes, Women's side this year, no. Well. It's not always like that, man. We usually have Ellie Turner over there, but. Even even with Ellie, I'm not
sure the women justified. I mean the men 4th place Oceana for the men. Peter Ellis. Zach Martin. Yeah, I mean Zach Thomas. Jack Thomas, sorry. We just don't know how they're gonna do like I I think I'm a little bit more OK with that just because of how strong the top three Oceano men are and to get you know like it's it you you as a as that next tier you don't have a chance right because those guys are so good. We don't have that in in Asia and or or.
South America, right? And and my whole point when I was talking about Africa last year of not being able to get an extra spot, it was like what if we have two Matt Frazier's in Africa, the second one would never get an opportunity to do it. There's zero chance to get there. We need a better system where they can get it. And I think you hit the, you hit it right is that I don't think at this point those regions, all these people. Aren't earning it.
They're not deserving it. They're not better than the people that are going to not be able to go. And if they were, then spin's all for it. Right, 100% but. They're not. And I mean, and it's going to make for a worse games, a more diverse games, but the last five spots are all going to be from Asia and South America. Right. Bet money. So I want to go back to your picks, John. Yeah, let's see who doesn't get in and who does. Right. Give me a second here. Guess who's getting in?
Duon, John. All right, Europe loses one. Oh no, Luca. Luca, Luca's out. Oh. No. And then on the West to the. Magda, I want to take annual, annual Akai out and then just put Luca where he's at and then Tudor's fine, You can take Tudor out. Is that right? There's. Let me see. Chris, why do you hate Hadi Kanyo? Maybe she's the next thing coming, huh? Yeah, so the the men. Oh, so no. Tudor's still good Kiefer. Kiefer agrees with me. See, I said.
I'm moving them up. Kiefer, I hope you took note. Always try to put words in my mouth. So it's only the North, America, East and Europe men are out. So Luke is out. And Luke Parker, Luke Parker. Luke Parker. Luke Parker. That's right, you sounded. So Asian, Asian, we've. Been talking about the one junk young so long, Luke. Parker. Luke Parker, He is out. All right. And you're. Going to You're going to give it to some somebody in. You're going to give it to who in South America?
Kayake Kalyan. I think Kalyan Sousa. And then in Oceana you got Peter Ellis, Zach Thomas, I. Think I I want to give it to Zach Thomas? I think so. I think it's Zach Thomas, Yeah. There is Luke Paca. So yeah, I mean, that's that's a tough one. So, but again, I do not and not Luka Dukic. And I'm going to, I'm going to substitute annual Akai and and Luka Dukic. Yeah, one of those guys. Yeah, I think, I think the men again, the regions aren't that different, right?
Like I trade Luka in for Kaike, or Kalyan trade Luka Paca for Lukapaka for Zach Thomas. Yeah, probably. Giving up a little bit on that, but not, I would say the difficulty to get into Oceania's top three is way harder than North America East. So have you. Seen Kaike serve any like if it's Kaike Kaike's basically Spanish Luke Parker. Like they look very similar their body types. Not as an athlete. I'm just saying they look, they look similar. Maybe Ding Dong. Let's see, let's hear it.
Caller, welcome to the spin. I just want to see if this number still work. Sure does. You guys look good. Who we got here? John, John, you got to tell me. What's up? Does Yolo folo make it? Does our girl make it in? I think, I think I need to know, John. I think Yolo Folo makes it. The East loses one she she's got room to spare. Man. Shelby Neal's on the cut line. Yolo Foley. It's All I. Wanted to call a. Last minute send on the bike for sure. Good. All right, that's all.
I was hanging on by a thread. I needed to know if our girl Erica. Polo's going to make it in Yolo polo. That's. The one that tests the number, You guys look good. Appreciate it. Thank you all. Right boys. See ya is. That. Is it Chase? What's that was? That chase. I don't think so. He sounds way different. Oh. Man, I think it is Chase. Is it? I think so. You weren't picking up on it. That's why I'm asking you it. Was Chase the phone? The phone quality isn't is does
it? Does it bring out it? Does change the voice a little bit for sure. For sure. So North America East does not lose a spot, John. So full O is in good shape. So going to the women, Europe lose 1 and North America West lose too. So Kelsey Girl, Kelsey and Bethany are out and 3rd are out and then you're going to go add in Dejuan Young somebody out there in Oceana. Julia Hannaford, Julia. Hannaford in Oceana and South America. I don't think you think you can
name the third the 4th person. They don't get four, do they? They just get 3. Oh no, really. Get three. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That was my projection. I put. I already put that in there. So Oceana 4 Asia Three I'm. So bummed out. I'm going to have to change that again. Kelsey's my girl. All right, you get, you get it. Chris, we're taking Hattie Conyo out. He's out. We're taking out. A car. Y'all look else to kill up
there. I like how I've changed them so quick, just by who I want to make it sometimes. Oh, wait, so these are 9. This is 9. So Bethany Flores is out. Oh yeah, so now we're good. Now we're good. But Kelsey? Kelsey stays in. Last minute send on the bike. Good. Don't do my girl Hattie like that. You're good Hattie. I'm just messing. I would we're. Actually going to lose 1 from North America East 'cause I had 12 in there, so Annika is gone. Last person out again. She's out. She.
She misses by one again. So we're missing. We're losing Annika Greer, Bethany Flores and Turi Helga. Daughter 2 Juan Jung, Julia Hannaford and Julie and Julia Kado no. We're just, we're just losing 2. We're just losing Bethany and Annika and we're going to throw two and I thought we'd lose. One in Europe. No, we we got the Europe, OK. OK. They get safe, they keep it 10, so Asia Oceana get theirs.
So we're going to take Bethany out, we're going to throw in Dejuan Young and we're going to take Annika out and we're going to throw in Julia Hannaford. If Dejuan Young makes it, does chase accidentally, say John Young Don. Kong. It's. Week 1 so it it. Would make my day. Yeah, the The CrossFit Podcast is going to be amazing on Friday when Dejuan Young goes and crushes the run and makes all the highlights out in Asia. John Young's been working on his running. I see.
She crushes it. I mean, when you think about those, those substitutions, Bethany for Dejuan, Annika for Hannaford, like the men, we didn't think it was that big of a deal. Do you think about the same for the men? The women you mean for the? Women, yeah. No, I think it's a huge deal for the women. Annika and Bethany are miles above Dejuan Young. Maybe not. Maybe not. Julie, I think they're better than Julia Hannaford. But Julia Hannaford's got some
home runs. She's a little bit kind of like Anika grew a little bit like she flourishes in gymnastics. She's kind of a short. She's short and stocky, right? But Ionica's still a better athlete than her. But not by a ton. But Bethany Flores is miles above both of those girls. And it's going to. Be if Bethany had a good back, she'd be top four. Top five. Yeah, Yeah. She'd be top 15 at the games. Wait, and you don't even say Bethany? I guess Bethany's just a girl
that I have up there. You can say Olivia Kurstetter. Danny Spiegel. You know what I mean? This makes it really tough for Kurstetter. Dan Spiegel, Dan. Spiegel like you can like you throw. Let's say Kelsey kills the one out like all of those girls. Kyra Milligan. Howdy Konyo. I think after that you're pretty safe. I think for the West, you have the top four, and I think those girls are just going to be fine. Home runs and not home runs, but you're going to be fine after
that. It's a rough shot of who executes the best, and I think all of those people are better than Duon Jung and honestly, Julia Hannaford. I'm not as mad about the Julia Hannaford piece because she will, she will make, she will be relevant at the games. It's in some events and that's all that I want.
I want somebody, if you're in the last places or you're like not as fit as the other people, I want you to have some type of a home run ability that you're going to make noise in a couple events and then you're just not as fit on the others. So Seema cannons. So is Chase going to save the day again and stream Friday? I don't. It's a. Great question.
It's a very good question. After the yesterday's press release from CrossFit came out about the live stream and Friday being on the CrossFit Games podcast hosted by Chase in week one, Adrian will take over in weeks two and three. It was very unclear. It said recaps and highlights, but it also sounded like they would have a whole bunch of guests on to join Chase and Adrian. I asked CrossFit for clarification on it. Like what? What does that actually mean?
Like, are they going to be live streaming the final heat of each team and an individual, or they're just live streaming the whole thing, just, you know, on on the Games podcast, kind of like it was last year? I don't know yet, Chase. Gave a little emoji, guy. Yeah, I mean, it was so, I mean to this, it looks like he'll be streaming something. I just don't know if it's just Chase and then some guests joining Chase. I would not want to be him freaking. Running event.
Yeah, you're gonna be on a 30 minute, 30 minute by yourself. Guys go out, run for 3-4 minutes, nothing to talk about. Then they come in for a minute. Yeah, but you know, he'll be streaming it to one of our podcasts. It'll be just me shooting like with with whoever, you know, I'll just be talking like I do. Yeah, but and then and then guys, and then guys will come in and start lifting weights and then I'll be like, yeah, when I did this, I was that fast, but I
wasn't fast on the run. You know, it'll be stuff to talk about. I just if it's just up to chase and it starts at 9:00 AM and it goes till five, like that's a long day for one person, right. So like even if you're only doing the final heat like you're jumping on and off the whole time, I don't know how it's going to flow. I don't know what we can expect we'll get some type of coverage.
I just, you know, I think everybody kind of expected all of the regions to stream, but the all, all four, all three days. Do you think on Friday we talk about, you know, the run with Danny Spiegel, Olivia Kurstetter. I'll throw Kelsey Keel in there. Kyra's not the best runner. Has she been trotting? I'm sure, Kelsey, I'm sure, Olivia, I'm sure they've all been trotting trying to get better.
Do we do. We think we will know whether there any of them are just out of the picture at the end of event one date on Friday. No, you can always make up Crown. I think. What's the? Worst. What's the worst? Place, it's pretty rough, but I think if there were more, if it was the east, I would say 100%, but it's not the East. So like, I think you can just count the force the top four spots, just count them out, OK And then it's anybody's game for the next. Was it 3 I? Would say 3.
I'd say Alex, Eric 5. Five, Yeah, yeah, the top five. Yeah, fusole. I'm not sure. I'd say that's a lock. Just wait for the legless rope climb work out and that's all you need to know. All right, all right. The I've and fusole is not the best runner either. But I I think she just, I think she'll have home runs though where she'll be. She's fit enough, I think, versus these other girls is what I'm saying. I think after the top five, though, it's the those four spots are up for anybody.
And a lot of those people fighting for those four spots are not good runners, right? Like you just named them all and they're all fighting for those spots. If they all finished poorly, they're going to be better than the rest of the field, right? So you don't think there's anybody else in the North America West that takes advantage tell? Me, who exactly? Well, let's go. Let's go look at the field real quick. Look at the Quarter Finals
leaderboard. Like, it's kind of funny that there's a lot of poor runners in this region that are that are very, very fit. So the top five are your top five Hattie is 6th Gabrielle spenced Devon Kim Tell. Me about those Gross. Devin Kim was on the the Invictus team that won, but her back is basically broken. She did squat cleans for the heavy squat cleans for the first time and I don't know how long a couple days ago.
So she did well in quarterfinals, but she got to show that she can move heaviest, moderate weight there is. What? OK, I guess what I'm saying is there. Sydney Michelachan. Yeah, Sydney Michelachan can make some noise, but like, she's kind of an even keel person, you know what I mean? Where she'll just get like 7th and a whole bunch of things but. Emily White She did well last year. She was. Close last year. No, no. It's a different year.
I don't know. The none of these girls just stand out as like, yeah, they're, they could take advantage of this and then they're going to beat the other. They're going to stay ahead of the other girls, like everybody that you just showed me are going to be equally as bad on the snatch ladder. So like what kind of what I'm thinking is like the really poor runners, as long as they're not last, like if they get 30 out of 40, they can make up everything on that snatch, workout, everything.
And then I think we'll have a good idea after event two, like after event two, if you're, I think you can call, hey, people are going to be out, you know what I'm saying? Because event two is all legs. Andrea did not accept her invite, so she. Is out. Trista Trista's not there yet, I don't think. There we go, Barkley, Dale. What sucks is that the receding after one event so that the earlier so they'll be in the earlier heats when their fitness puts them in later heats so.
That that second day though what workouts we have, we have workout two workout. Three toes the bar, front squats, and then you have What's the rope climb? Rope climb, yeah. And then that's it. Yeah, you have 456 in the next day the. Last day. OK. So. So they'll they'll reseed after the first event for Saturday. You'll do the two events on Saturday, Sunday, you'll do 2 events, 4:00 and 5:00, and then they'll reseed for that last one again.
That's fun. So yeah, Kenneth, the lab, Devin, my back hurts too much through teams, but I'll do individuals. Kim, I honestly and like and like that that was a, that was an Invictus decision. I don't think that was Devin's decision. Like CJ makes the decisions over there, but that's a machine over there for teams. She's still on the team, she just moved to the alternate, but they. They don't. Say that here's your team. Go for it like CJ. Martin is in charge.
They make the team decisions. You're kind of at the mercy of that at times. I'm going to say here's why I'm so. Down on Devon Kim, and I know a lot of people are high on Devon Kim. I know a lot of people think she's going to do really good, though. Like, Brian's not the only one that's high on Devon Kim. He might be the highest but but a lot of people think she's going to make it. But my thing about her, I think. 95% of the people.
Who do team is because they're not good enough to do individual and they know and they know it and then so they'll take a running individual and I've never seen her in an individual competition be good like be be like as good as these other girls right. I don't like you don't like. No, Kyra's not going to rogue and lighten up the world. But Kyra had a couple of victory. Like who the freak is this little girl doing stuff? Like, you know what I mean? Like then I've never seen that
from Devin Kim once. You can tell me about your training all you want. You can tell me about your team all you want. I'm glad that you won. You're great. But until you can show me an individual that you're something which I know I got had to Kanye win. And she ain't showing nothing either. But I I it's almost like a vendetta then, right? If people are high on this girl, I've never seen it. So I am low on her and I'm all and that's how I'm going to remain until she shows me that
she's can do something. Yeah, it's a it. It's a much different atmosphere, lot different competition. When you're out there on your own, having to fight for it versus being something bad happens, right? How you can. Recover from it. Can you send it when you need to send it? It's just you can you send it on the bite or you know, I'm not just saying the last event, but like it's wildly different. Some people come clutch and some people don't. And I I do think the Barclays.
Point after a first event like the final heat on Day 2 on Saturday, is going to be interesting, like it may not. Be the top ten that you. Definitely won't be the top ten that you see. At the end of the day, I think you're going to see some of those. Athletes that can. Run really fast. Get a sneak in there above Kerstetter, Danny Spiegel. Some of those stronger athletes who will then make their way back and fight their way up the rest of the time.
So for the record, with Kerstetter, people, people are. Asking about Kerstetter. I want her to make it. I've just been really down on her ever since I saw her at Waterpalooza. At Waterpalooza she was, she was bad straight up and that wasn't that long ago and so like. Maybe maybe. She's much better and and she kills it. She'll be great in the snatch clatter, you know, awesome. I think she'll do OK in event two. I think rope climbs might be tough. Well, yeah, event one and event
three I think. Might be tough, but I just have been down in her since Water Palooza and that's all I'm going to say. I I couldn't put. I couldn't put her to make it because I was so down on her at Water Palooza. Yeah, John. No, we're not going. Sorry. Listen, I'm going to go to the games and. That's the only thing I'm going to. I'm not sure I'll even do that. Well, yeah, spin can take care of me. Spin, Spin can't get me to the games and I won't be going to the games, but I'll, I'll do
what I can. Hopefully, Hopefully. That all works out. I got. To run here. Jake Felton is wataplu is a good indicator that's still being that it's still offseason for elites. It's OK if you do great. In it, it's not an indicator that you're going to do great at the games, but like if you're really bad in it. I would argue that offseason competitions are a good
indicator if you do very poor. If you do good in them, you know you're a little bit more piqued than everybody else or you're like so many scenarios can go into somebody being better than somebody at the top. But if you are poor compared to everybody else, then compared to where we think you should be, then you know I. Think I think it's more of an indicator. Of poor performances than good performances in offseason competitions.
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong on that, but I that's just how I feel. I mean, you look at Paige last year. She goes and wins water. Palooza goes and moves up to the board. Finishes 10th right? Like you can get You can see trends but it's not the end all be all right Like Luke Parker did terrible I think both years right? And he did fine last year at the games he made, made the games the first time, so he was like 27th or something like that did. Did fine.
Yeah, and so. And I think he was a little dinged up, if you watch Hiller's video from last year. So is it exactly the the best? No, But watch this year, we'll see how Jack Farlow does like he had a great wadapalooza. Jack Parlow, yeah, Jack Parlow. So I think it shows that they have potential, like they they're starting to put some stuff together and of course you have to do the same when it comes to semi finals in the games and injuries. Can't clarify really quick with Barkley.
It's it's making me mad. When it when it comes to like the top of the top. OK, Velner B Adler at Rogue. Velner's not going to beat Adler at the games, That's what I'm saying. Where it doesn't, it doesn't. It's not a good predictor as far as like the top positions, which if you do good, you're talking about the top positions, right? Like Roman was kind of bad at Rogue. Roman's going to be awesome at the games and he wasn't great at Wadapaloozo and he right. He wasn't great at Wadapaloozo
War Rogue, and he's. Going to be awesome at the games top two, at least top three like like without. A doubt, I would bet. $1000 on it and he and he might win, you know. That's, that's what I'm saying. The top of the top If Gabby Macawa beats Laurel Horvath in Dubai CrossFit Championships, guess what? She's not going to beat her at the games. It's not a good predictor. That's what I'm talking about. Well. But I do think it's. A good predictor if you do poor at the.
Games. If you do pour those offseason things, at least it's something that I'm going to look at. Well, John, thanks for jumping on. On. Your Friday night last minute notice computer made it all the way through with no issues. Of course, I didn't even need this new computer, no. But thank you. Thank you for the new computer. Sivan. Yeah, Sivan, thank you Do. You have your new TV up yet? No, I got the I. Think it's supposed to come the 16th.
This came in like literally 5 minutes before the podcast starts. And that's why I like, that's why I was so late. I was like, oh, I'll set this up now. It turns out it takes a long time to set up. Yeah. For anybody wondering, go look. At John's Games Mountain, it explains everything and we'll we'll have an update show after the. Semi finals on the mountain. Yeah. Thanks everybody for joining. We'll see you back here next Wednesday, same time, same
place. And we'll go through everything, all things Europe, because we're definitely the experts at Europe and give our all of our picks so you can fill out your heat One app and try to win some money and maybe even some tickets to the games. So see you on Wednesday.