We are live. Good evening, everybody. The 2023 Rogue Invitational is behind us. John, you're already back in Houston. Yes, I am. When did you leave? You leave right near the end of it. Yeah, we left before the guys went. Yeah, so. Watching it on YouTube as I was coming home. What? What happened in between that final or the the event 8 and then the final event? Like, were they telling
everybody what was happening? Like, kind of what was that from the perspective of being at the stadium itself? As far as the. Event not being. On the field. Yeah, and like the notification, what was kind of the atmosphere of going from, hey, I I paid all the, you know, paid this money. I went there. Now I may not be able to see the final event in person. Yeah, I mean, everybody could see the event in person. You just were the lot. Like basically the crap.
There was about 100 people, about 102 hundred people built up on one stage. It was where the strongman did the Iron Bowl and where all the people were lined up there. So most people could see what was going on, if not, like they had every TV that had it on. So you can hear it and watch the TV? If not, but yeah, they. I don't know. I knew what the event, I knew it was going to be like that beforehand. So I don't know how it was going to be for regular people.
I did. That sounds bad, but you know what I mean? I have sources. Yeah, yeah, so. Basically like like 20 minutes beforehand, they they were, we knew that it was not going to be on the field about 20 minutes before and then we found out and then we found out what the event was like 10 minutes before. OK. I I have to imagine that that was not the event that was planned. I. Think it was the event. I I, I haven't had news that it wasn't.
Why do you say that? A 14 minute time cap and the slowest was 6 minutes 7 minutes and that was that was Bethany who was taking her time with her back. So. I know Brian works with them and he was very surprised. It was a 14 minute cap too. Like we he did not know that there was an extra element of the workout was changed like none. There was no talk of that. And usually there is like we knew about the rope climb like immediately, right.
And there wasn't any talk that that was not what it was supposed to be. I think they just wanted everybody to finish it, but it was you know, they could have made it 5 minutes shorter. I actually programmed this work out for my gym and I gave it an 8 minute time cap and I said if you can't make it then you get cap. Yeah, she is. Thanks for joining Vittorio. Got to support the show. 6 foot eight CrossFit, two of two beating John Yug in shot, caller.
Yeah, Veldner kind of screwed me in the second to last event. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, it definitely changed going to the handstand walk. I wasn't aware of it till the last minute. Otherwise Hoffer would definitely been the pick there. Renata, thanks for joining Vittorio 999. Thank you for your support. Good shit, Phyllis. Keep crushing it on the women's side, they showed 175 at first. It's Lex 24 says.
It was supposed to be heavier. See, I thought that like Hillary had mentioned our group chat, he he thought it was going to be GHD sit ups. And it was never. It was never. That. Yeah, I think that. I think Killer's workout that he programmed would have been better in my opinion. Then then I it would have been a completely different workout, completely different stimulus, like if they wanted a certain stimulus, I mean that's just a different workout altogether.
I do think if it was like 175 that would have made a difference and in originally it said 175 on the graphic and I don't know if they just did that wrong and they changed it last second like that could be the case and that's why the cap was more that would make sense. But I I don't. I have not gotten any news that that was the case.
Yeah, maybe. I don't know if Katie was on the final episode of Sivan's podcast, but Courtney's saying it was supposed to be heavier, which I don't know why they would have changed it, but I don't think it would have changed any. Well, I don't think it would have changed anything. It would have been closer for Velner I think, But at the end of the day I think it would have been the same. I yeah. If anything, I think Velner would have done better because
he wouldn't have went so fast. Yeah, like you would have. Slowed everybody down, including him, and he wouldn't have been risky. Yeah, So walking through the day, I mean, the women's race was about as good as it gets. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Laura with three first place finishes on the weekend, Tia had two. I mean, Laura, other than Event 4, which was the handstand push up, everything was in the top five, which is freaking amazing. And actually, same for Tia.
Yeah, everything except the dual. The dual. Yeah, except for the dual. So I mean, where is it? There we go. What do you think of Tia like? Dude she's something else man. I, I I can't believe she deadlifted that much. I was blown away without a belt too. Like she's. I mean I I don't know I probably should have just I probably should have expected more than I did and I and was just wrong about her. But I mean, I I'm really, really happy that Laura beat her.
I'm really happy Laura won. I feel like that needed to happen. CrossFit can continue. I think T is going to win 2024 games, running away by over 100 points. I don't think it'll be close. I I completely agree with you that. It was it was demoralizing how good she was. Like you could see it on the other females faces like everybody like can't fathom why she's so good. But she but she is. And I mean I'm not going to beat it to a pulp because we've had six years of her being this
good. So I'm really happy Laura won because I think she's done winning until until Tia retires. That's. What? What did you think about her final, her speech where she kind of was like, you know, it legitimizes my. Yo, it does. And I I would hunter and like so, like, there are people are different camps and I'm in the camp that you are the fittest person in the world at that moment. You absolutely are. Tia was having a baby when you were winning the CrossFit Games.
It is what it is at that moment. You are the fittest woman in the world. There's nothing that takes that away. There's Jeff Adler was the fittest man in the world. There's nothing that takes that away. Tia's back. I mean do you do you think there's is there any shot that anybody can making Laura hang with her or is it like Tia just has another eight months and it's just going to be? No, it's over. I mean, the thing I looked at is Tia would have won if she hadn't had the buy.
Probably in that first in the duel. Yeah, probably she. Probably advances should have because she didn't. That's an execution here. I could say Pat Veldner probably is a three time games champion if he can freaking execute at certain. Moments. That's fair. You know what I mean? So we can't. We can't say the if. If she just did this. She didn't. Laura was better than her. In this competition, I don't think it will last. Laura's the fittest woman in the world.
I don't think it will last. Yeah, I mean, that's it. Do you think one? 100 percent 100% Laura's a rock climber. That's what separates her is Laura's a a bigger girl, and of the bigger girls, she can pull with the best of them like all the rest of the bigger girls struggle in the gymnastics. The high volume gymnastics she doesn't pulling is her freaking strength. She can do it all day. Yes, I think she would have been better with the pegboards, but it doesn't doesn't matter.
Right. I I I mean I think from a balance perspective, I think actually having the handstand walks instead of the pegboards probably balanced it out a little bit. There was so much pulling. It made it longer for sure. I I kind of think instead of so they took the rope climb out right of the the running. And the sandbags, right. The dual yeah. Yeah, it had the sandbags and what else? It it it was the logs that's I think they should have.
Handstand walked to the bags and then I think that would have been a really, really fun event and well balanced. Not just who can move the sandbags the best, which is what it was. Who could move the sandbags the best, I think. And then for the and then just have the pegboards if you could. I know weather weather makes all this stuff the reason why it didn't happen.
But. And then you can keep the pegboards as is. I don't think the peg the pegboards is pulling, but it's not like ripping your hands. Your hands aren't struggling right on a pegboard. But I get it. I get it 100%. I think it all worked out. The box jumps for great. Nobody hurt themselves. Bethany tried to, but yeah. Yeah, working down the leaderboard. Horvath to me. Emma Lawson, Gabby Megala. Another great race at the end of the final one.
And I mean, and Alex Kazan, I like, I know she's like kind of by herself there. But if you look at her placements, that's 16th, 17th. Kotler came on here and told us like she kind of got a raw deal. And like that's not what she is.
If you know like if her actual fitness was shown in those events and they let's just say let's don't even say she kills it but like say she's 10th and 12th then she's ahead of Emma Lawson right or right there with her and and I so like like I think there was a three-way battle for that. I I thought Gabby was going to take Emma. I I honestly did. Emma shows that she's stronger than people think she is. Once again no. What's awesome is we kind of have this in order you know it's
crazy right? Like, check this out. So up at the top we have the 2023 CrossFit Games Champion, below her is the 2024 CrossFit Game Champion, and then below her is the 2025 CrossFit Games Champion. That's pretty awesome, isn't it? Oh, you're going out two years, huh? Yeah, you heard it here first. Whenever it happens, you heard it. I mean, Emma, I think still has some some things to shore up for sure, but she's got she's. To do it.
She has plenty of time at at this case, Renata Bethany I think should should not be in this competition or get disqualified. And I she's she's saying that because she didn't. She didn't deadlift. She didn't deadlift. She didn't do the squats. Yeah. And then in the last event, she took her time on the cleaning jerks. I think she was expecting people to cheer on because she was like the last place person. And she's like, come on, I'm the
last place person. But I mean, like, you're hyping people up over a 155 cleaning shirt. Yeah. I I don't know. I I get. I mean, she she earned it in the sense that she got 15th at the Games. But it sucks to see somebody that can't do the movements right. Like you have two events that you basically just sit out, which Hoffer did as well on the deadlift, and then you know you're really not competitive on a lot of them because you just can't push it enough, which is I
see both sides, right? Like she's she should be allowed to kind of go because she has that, but I'd like to see somebody that could actually fight and and be in that position to push every single time. No, I agree. I agree. I think it's it's tricky. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you can't, you can't stop them from you can't say, well, if she wanted to do. Roe, she wanted to do it, yeah. But like, I agree with you, if you want to do it, you need to you need to push the boundaries to do these.
Like you're you're putting you're you're stealing the position from somebody else that would push themselves. Yeah, yeah. And I I do. I do know she was. Super. Yeah. She was disappointed. Cautious competition. Right. Yeah. She was disappointed when I think TA got her. Her invite her initially and then luckily she got she got the invite. But yeah, it's it's tough to see that Danielle couldn't squat last year but nobody asked her to drop out.
I think that might be she tried and she didn't. Nobody knew the workouts ahead of time. No, I don't think it would make sense for Bethany to drop out the week before. But I mean. Last year? No. This stuff is common. It's going to be heavy. It's going to be, really. Hard. It's going to be really hard and heavy. You're not going to get a whole bunch of cardio workouts and if you don't think you like, you should expect I'm going to have
to push my body really hard. Like you should not expect anything different. And if you don't think you can, then I don't think you should do the competition. But like she's earned it and she wanted to do the competition. So I I get, I get what you're saying. I feel both sides. Too, Yeah, Emma Carey with a a solid 6th place finish there. And Danielle Brandon, right back to They can't get away from each other. They can move camps. They can't get away from each
other though. Right, Emma Carey is a monster on the machines. Monster Monster. Like you would not expect it, but you put her on an echo bike and she's one of the best women out there. Yeah, I agree. I mean, she tracked down Tia. I mean, I would say Emma is one of those that between Emma passing Tia on the bike and Laura out running, who was it at the end on the event? Eight. Who was that? Out running who? Who was who did? Emma Carey. No, Laura Horvath. She ran.
She ran. Emma Carey. Yes, Emma Carey played a factor in both, beat Tia and then lost out by a fraction of a second on the next event. That was 10 points. That was pretty much the difference. So see Ariel Lowen down an eighth. Danny Spiegel moved her way back up to 9th I think she got. So lucky multiple times and it annoys the fire out of me. Why? Why does it annoy you? You put a rope climb in the duel
and then she's irrelevant. I'm not saying that she doesn't do Stillwell because she was better on the logs than everybody. She was right. But and it was really amazing to watch how athletic she could be. Very true. You put a rope climb there, she gets 7th or 7th through 10th. Yeah, she doesn't get first and then the she got lucky somewhere and then they get rid of the peg boards. I feel like she got lucky on
that too. Yeah, she's pretty good at handstand walking, although her conditioning is not which shocker. Yeah man In Agony's down in 10th Christine Colon Brander, Lauren Fisher, Paige Powers and 13th Paige Semenza. And 14th Emily Rolfe, Bethany Flores, Karen Freova just couldn't ever put anything together. She was sick. She was sick. During the oh, was she? Like like vom vomitous the whole weekend. That makes sense then. That's that, explains Karen Freova. Yeah, definitely.
Kyra Mill will get an 18th Shelby Neal and 19th and Elena. Take note that Kyra Milliken can freaking deadlift 'cause I did not know that until she was. Well, you had talked about it on Sivan's show before that, like somebody was going to have a deadlift that we didn't know about and it was, it was Kyra. Yeah, she looks strong. And Elena, Karatella, Sanahua down there in 20th spot. Any any surprises on this leaderboard either direction that that need to get called
out? Either direction, I don't know, man. I feel like we kind of predicted about all of these. Danielle Brandon. Was a surprise, but then I I think that Danielle Brandon had the best day three out of everybody relatively fitness wise, an eighth. 1st and 1/4. Yeah, I mean, you can scroll up and look at the other girls like Laura and Tia, especially the workouts that were given to them. I think Daniel Brandon's 84814 is better than Tia's 523.
And then I think it's better than Laura's 414 or whatever it was because relatively fitness wise, she's not as fit as Laura. Tia, but her day three like monstrous climb her and down and both her and down and pepper both. Yeah, I mean Danielle was other than Tia and Emma, Daniel had the best, best finish of all three compared to anybody. So and actually I think yeah, even Laura or other Emma. So I mean, Daniel had the third best of any other woman.
So yeah, she worked her way up. Helped out a lot. So do you have any surprises? I I What's funny? What's funny is Alex got 5th and I think she showed that she was better than I. Like I come away from this like Alex Kazan is is I I think it. I think Rogue serves her better than the Games, so I'm not going to say podium potential, but I'd like she. They say they did another row competition in a month. I would.
I'd still have her third. I just probably would have Tia 2nd instead of. Yeah, I mean, I I think, you know, on all my picks or the top 10 or top 20, I mean, I did really well on the women's side. I think if I was going to be surprised by anybody, I think it'd be Lauren. Fisher. Lauren, yeah, And Lauren Fisher was higher than that. She was like 8th place. Right. Yeah, we talked about Danielle, Brandon having a good last day. Lauren Fisher did not have a
very good last day. And so you know everything she was going through with her mother passing and you know she was one that came in through the qualifier. You would expect her probably not to be competing against some of them women that had made it in qualified beater and semi finals and she comes out and and so she still has it. She's just put together, I don't know, at the right weekend and semi finals and she could be back at the games.
So that would be my biggest surprise on the women's side. Let's go take a look at the men. Pat Felder. Man, who called that I? Don't know, John. I. Don't know, I don't know, man. So that does that mean 20, the 2024 games winner is? Roman Critikoff, That's what that means. I mean, Pat, should I tell? You. I'm so bumper Brent Brent has tied for third in every
competition. You could do it, come up short and dude man, like I I I was rooting for Brent to get third and I I once again he's the reason there's not an all Canadian podium. Yeah. He just can't. He just can't do it. You can't. And it's always it's Roman, always, meddling man. Oh, I know it was. I was watching those last five clean and jerks and I'm like Brent, just just push jerking you can. Do it. Five of them.
Five of them. The Shizz, Thank you for $5 Thoughts on Underdog making Brandon and has been flat fully under Brute. I disagree with that. I don't think she's been better, but I don't think she's been worse. I think all of you were way too high on Brandon at 1st, and now I think she's doing what she is. I mean, I. Feel like that's pretty consistent with what I've always said. Am I wrong? Spin. No. That's definitely what you said
I was. I I looked at her 2022 Games performance and thought that was going to continue. Obviously it had not. I it probably had to do some with the programming between 22 and 23. She's just doesn't. She just has a few of those holes where it's top end strength that I don't know if she could ever shore that up to get back into that spot where she's fighting for a podium. That, I mean that's that's what it would take because I think she, I think she has the engine.
I think she has machine power. I think she has obviously the gymnastics she has. She's got home run ability on anything with her hands it's and her Olympic lifting is not bad, right. It's just the brute strength. Yeah, and the problem is. Ironically enough, I love. I love saying that. Because. She's not in brute strength. Well, I mean the the The thing is like, he's not talking about Laura. Handstand push ups is her weakness, right?
But it's she can go overhead with weights and it's not a problem. It's just going upside down in handstand push ups. That happens once, or if you're at the games this year, it barely is. You know it's negligible because it's free. Stand in handstand push ups, It doesn't matter. Yeah. But it's but it's one event like this. You have squats, you have deadlift ladder, you know, so it's heavy, heavy, heavy. And if you take a few bad events and you can't be coming, it's.
It's yoke carry like anything super heavy, which there's going to be two or three events every every competition row, row, maybe four or five. Yeah, and even even moderately heavy, right? Like, she's not going to take a top five in it. She's going to take middle. Out moderately heavy I'm. Going to say not an all out, right? Like, yeah. Yeah, like the squat. The squat log workout. Yeah. Yeah like something that it it's it's lower reps but it's heavier she's she's not going to not
going to stick stick there. Jeff Adler, what do you think? I mean, he did everything he could, but just a little bit short. Is that just they just didn't go go his way? No, I think it's cool that he bookended it. Rogue with WINS. He started with the win and then ended with the win. I think that's kind of cool. He's he's the only guy to win 2 events. Is he? Roman didn't. Oh, did Roman? Roman won the chipper and then he. Oh no, Dallin won the chipper. Dallin won the chipper.
That's right. Oh, man. Yeah, I think he might be then. I think he was, I think the men's side every there was a different winner every single time. And then Adler came out at the very end. Roman's foot looks totally fine. Yep. No issues there, Ricky clawed his way back up to 5th. I thought he was going to be relegated down to 10th, 11th place, but that's got to be a good. Travis Mayer and Jason Hopper have been 6th and 7th all three times they've done. Rogue. That's crazy.
Isn't that insane? Yeah, yeah, Hopper, he's so close to put it all together, but I I think it, I feel better about seeing this for next year. I did too and I think this is how he needs to just be regular training, you know what I mean? Like he seemed to enjoy himself and I think if he sees something that he can crush like he will go out and cry. I I It felt like he had less pressure on himself and he was just trying to enjoy Rogue, but like like compete, compete.
But like, the world doesn't end if you have a bad event. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And. And I think, like, I think he was like that, like he felt like that his rookie year because he thought he was going to win even though he was not close. And then he was like that last year, probably from expectations and how he was training right? And then he wasn't the two year he wasn't here at Rogue just now, and the year he got seventh, he just felt, you know what I mean?
We weren't talking about him as much, but it seems like he performed much better whenever he was just trying to compete. But like, it's not. It's OK if he does bad on an event. Do you think he's always going to be one of those guys that has 234 just bad events like he doesn't have? He's not well-rounded enough. I think for him, his goal, he probably should watch Brent Fukowski because Brent Fukowski is bad at the same stuff that Hopper is bad at. And you look at Brent, so Hopper
was 19th, Brent was 15th. I know that doesn't seem like very much. It's 23 reps on that log squat workout. 23 reps is a lot and I know it was only four spots. But then you look at the other one that he was bad at 17th, Brent was 10th, right? And that's the handstand, push up, ring, muscle up, power snatch workout.
That's just pacing, pacing and knowing yourself, right, Who's the greatest at that Brent is. And then the deadlift, the deadlift struggle that, yeah, he, yeah, he's doesn't have the hardships that Brent has there. And then the rest of the workouts, he was fine. I mean, I think 13 is where he's fine. You know, Brent's probably cardiovascularly fitter than him, and I think the clean and jerk workout was more of that. And like that's where the gap
was made there. For instance, if I do this workout, if I do that clean workout, I mean I'm probably sniffing 5 minutes. And it's not because I'm not stronger. It's it's a fitness thing. And I think that's like what Hopper and Fukowski the difference is there. But like his major holes, Brent has been there, done that, Tell me a hole that Hopper has that Brent didn't have first and then and he's learned how to optimize
that to his fullest potential. And I think that's and Hopper has more home run ability if you ask me, like he's the best in the world at certain things. Brent was never the best in the world. He's just got home run hits. Well, I mean, yeah. And Brent thinks through everything. I mean, you look at the handstand walk event. I mean, he's running without his arms just to save him. Like, yeah, you know, like nobody else is doing that, right?
Like, it's just a small thing. Is is to try to do, to optimize the bad events the way Fukowski does, right? And then I think he'll take the next step forward. And I mean, hopefully, you know, fingers crossed for him that that means like podium potential, that's what Brent is. Well, I mean it's it was four places throughout 9 events Hopper needed and he's at he's with Ricky. Yeah. Right. I mean absolutely. And we're talking.
It's a lot different when you're in fifth than in 7th, even though the points are almost identical. Dal and Pepper turned on. Best last day. They're yes, look at that 143. Look at that. That's crazy. Is is that just a matter of it, lining up with him like those, those workouts? He's been, he's done this every competition he's done. He did this at the games, he did this in semi finals like Guatapalooza, he even did. He was even like really good in the last day. Guatapalooza I think.
Don Pepper, this is just his MO is that he's going to have his best day on the last day more. More like a Cole Sager. Cole Sager would always do this, I think. Which these are three. These are three Crossfitty workouts. They are. Is that is that something to do with it? Well, I mean he the one that he won was because he it was faster on the bike. And I mean grind time and biking is Dalan Pepper's Moi. Think Roman would have beat him if he knew the time, but he didn't.
Lost in translation there. Where are you, Blondie? Whatever your name is. Yeah, Rosa need to be standing there with them. But I think, I think Dalan's always going to have a strong day last day. I think. I think that's just his MO. When people are tired for the weekend and they just want to get through it, that's when he's pushing his harvest and Cole Sager would do this all the time. And I think, I think Down and Pepper is like that. Yeah, Roman, is Brandon. Still with Brute.
Not with Torres, for sure. Change camp. Yeah, she's under my coach. Coach L. OK, so she's under Coach L still with Brute. I believe she's been with Torres and and still with Torres in a different fashion. And I believe it's in Nashville now or going back and forth, I'd have no idea. I don't know. Living situation, yeah, but she's still with Brute. Yeah, see Renata. How would it end up if Tia would not fail in the last event? Laura would. Laura still would have.
Yeah, it would have been a 5 point versus A10 point gap. But Laura Laura's one of the best at barbell cycling. So now give give Tia eight more months. It probably is a different story. I. Don't know. I think, I think an event like that, it's so short. I I I don't know if Tia wins, but I mean, I think they're right there next to each other the whole time, like they were next to each other for three minutes and then Laura had a little bit of a Rep lead and then just said like that the
whole time. And then Tia. L Right. You can tell that Tia is not at 100% capacity like they're just some things were. 400. Yeah, only that's it. Yeah. I think just some of her, I guess like running is fine, right? But like the reps and the conditioning when it with weights I think may be a little bit different, right? Like she's just not there yet. She's close, but I would say. The heavier, the heavier weights. Yeah, yeah. Five months postpartum. Tia is extremely impressive.
I would agree, Jimmy, she she was extremely. Impressive going down. Noah Olson, Jay Crouch, I was are. We consistently. Underrated. I could not believe his his deadlift 575. I would not have ever placed the 575 deadlift. I mean, that's the same as Hopper. Yeah, dude, some people are like that. Some people just have an otherworldly deadlift, like Hitler. Hitler has an otherworldly day like he's. He just pulled six O 5, right? Yeah, but yeah.
But he's not as strong as everybody that pulls six O 5. No, that was a memory that he did. Oh, was it? Yeah, I thought it was. I thought he just did that. I I it was a repost. Was it OK? I think so, 'cause he's. I don't think he's he's not as strong as he used to be. No, he said, in honor of Rogue. He pulled 600 that 180 lbs In 2018. Yeah, this is that video. It's been it took a four years to help some surpass that lift.
So some help. So I think that was this morning or last night I think he went out and did it. But yeah, I mean, he can, he has a great deadlift and but like you said it, it just because of a great deadlift doesn't mean you're great at all. The other Olympic, you know, any other Olympic lifts. No deadlift's just a weird. It's a weird one. My deadlift and squat are very close to each other. Yeah, which is incredibly annoying. Renata Yes Kara Kara freova.
She was sick according to John, so that is that is why she underperformed. From what we expected her to see, yellow host day in 11th BKG fell off. Chandler fell off BKG, Chandler both fell off hard. Yeah, and 12/13/14. So if you watched on Wednesday, Lazar was the the place where we were. A lot of bets were being made between John and Tyler.
First one was who would finish higher, BKG or Lazar PKG got them and then Chandler or Lazer and all three are right there within 2030 points of each other. I just won it handedly on day two. It was not a question. Yeah. And. It started sliding backwards fast once we started. Doing actual CrossFit. Right. Yeah, the the dead. The deadlift definitely helped Chandler. If the deadlift was not. If it was a clean, Chandler
would not have taken first. For sure, but that's that's my reasoning why I picked Chandler that high. Yeah, yeah, Tudor Magda in 15th, Bailey Martin, Victor Hoffer, 17th. He got some home run hits. Yeah, yeah, you you knew that. That's why I had him. I think I ranked him maybe 14th or something like that. I didn't expect him to not lift a deadlift at all. And a couple of them, I think he, I thought he was going to do better. What was it, 470?
That's a lot. Yeah. So I I mean, if he didn't feel comfortable lifting 470, but he can hang with everybody on everything else. I mean, that's still still pretty good. Will Morad down an 18th? That's a little surprising. 1. Yeah, Garrett Clark and then yon Koski. They started at 4:55. That's right. They went up in 15 increments, 450-5470. Last night was so long. How was the crowd last night at the at the stadium? Because that that was that was a
four hour deadlift fest. I waited for the women to be over and then after the women we went and got pizza and I watched it on. YouTube. Because I knew I was not staying till 10:30 and then and then I did not know we weren't podcasting. I'm in the mindset that we're going to podcast after this. I mean, I'm not going to eat. Well, that means I'm not going to eat since 8:00 in the morning and then I'm just not going to eat until 11:30, like. So I yeah, So I left.
And then I watched the men. I mean, it happened exactly what we thought was going to happen, happen with the with the men anyway. Yeah. I didn't think there would be a ton of questions on that. I wish Pat would have deadlifted 600. I feel like he deadlifted it to where he's like, Oh yeah, I know I can hit 600 and then I'll just drop it before it actually counts. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, the yesterday was a very tough day, like it started out strong and then the duel was so long, the deadlift was so long. Question here from Ian White, do you think that those who went late into the deadlift last night affected him today? Because I mean, both Pat and Chandler struggled relative to the field. Did Laura struggle? No. Did Tia struggle? No, but the men. The men did go later. Alex Kazan struggle, You know, I think. I think Pat probably knew he had it wrapped up.
I think Chandler actually struggled, yes, but not because of the. Depth. Yeah. Well, these those were not great events for Chandler. You have to think the amount of volume that they did was not a lot at all on day two. It was. I know it was like heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy. But they didn't do much volume at all. The duel was nothing. The duel was nothing to them. Especially if you got cut. Especially if you got. Cut. Yeah. Yeah.
I, from a spectator's perspective, that was, that was tough to watch on the live stream all day long, right? I mean, it was just such a long break between and you think about attention spans and wanting to stay. Like last night watching the Deadlift was like just just let's just get with it, right? Like, just keep going. I know they needed breaks, but I'm like just go like. I know. Like 30 seconds was too much if we if. We don't give them all a break,
then it's even. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean I would have liked to see like 15 second intervals, not 30. Well, they they didn't need to go up in fives for the women. As soon as they did, they wouldn't. They should have went up in fives like once we got to four O 5. Yeah, because, well, I mean, we made that like 30 minutes longer than it had to be for the. Women, yeah, that was that was definitely rough.
Daniel, Gary, Do we think we need fewer people at the game so there's more uncertainty in the leaderboard, or is that just a function of programming? It's it's more the function of programming than the people at the games. I know there's lower tier, lower tier games athletes and upper tier games athletes and these are all the upper tier games
athletes. But if we had 40 people with the same programming there would be even it would be the landslides would be even more because the they just they program very niche things and like there are workouts where like like I'm not even a semi finals athlete and there are workouts where I could potentially be top five and I'm not even a semi finals athlete, you know what I mean? So like they they just program very niche type of deals and that's just broke has always
been like that. That's why it's it's fun for some because if you have a really bad event you'd have 20 points An event doesn't mean you're out of it. There could be so much jump swings like Danielle Brandon was 16th place and then she ends up 7th. And I I think a lot of people like that. But that's that's what we get with the programming and they don't claim to be we're finding the fittest people. They're, they're, they're their own thing.
No, but I think the fittest people generally do pretty darn well at Rogue. So it it kind of works out, yeah. No, it's still a CrossFit competition, but they don't claim that this is the fittest. Person it doesn't. It doesn't have to be as well-rounded as what CrossFit is trying to say at the Games. I think is probably what you're trying to say. Matt Day. I used to be a fan of Max Outs, but last night made me want ladders. Well, last night was a ladder, so.
Yeah, I think, I don't know if he's talking about like what it was like in Aromas where it just had 15 barbells and no, like 1515 barbells. You just work your way through and you're done. You're done. Yeah, I. Like the set up where you have four people go at a time and then four people go at a time. We just need to be, we need to be faster. Yeah. Hey guys, we're not going to have a lot of rest, so you might not PR.
This is what we do. Yeah, I mean, that's where nobody was going to get it on their second attempt. There's no need to have 30 seconds, no. Like you could have 10 seconds and it still would have been fine. Yeah, yeah. Jared Ellis Games 2023 or Rogue 23 Programming and why? I think it's a much bigger topic. We may have to approach it another day, but it's a What are we looking for, Jared? Yeah, that's a do we like it?
Do we not? I mean, there's a lot that goes into it. I my guess is get with the programming. Chase and Bill will go through that, at least the road programming for sure and how that kind of worked out and then Jr. and and Taylor will also do that. Yeah, we didn't talk about this. What happened with Chandler and his bike on the chipper? So he got on there and it didn't turn on. And then his judge was like, hey, I can't turn on the bike. And then they didn't know what to do.
And then they waited for Jay Crouch to get off. And then they just told him to get off. And but he still beat Jay, right? Yeah, he beat Jay because he beat him on the finish line. Kind of BS really. Really. BS. That's what happened, That last 30 cows. He's just Cruisey, Cruisey, and they said he did it in 60 seconds. And his first cow he did in like 128, so he did not bike 30 cows and he beat Jay Crouch by half a second. So did it. Would that have affected the
leaderboard at all? Would Jay have five more points? Does that put Jay in another spot? Let's see. He would have tied with Dallin, but he would not have. He didn't have. Jay never had a tiebreaker. Dallin had the win, so OK. So thankfully, that didn't affect any money. If it did affect money, I mean, we're. Talking. I'm surprised Jay didn't protest like. He might not have known. Yeah, yeah, that one. That one was, it's like, wait a
minute, there's no way. And we went back and looked at it and it was 60 seconds. That'd be a heck of a bike at the very end. That was your first time at Rogue, right? No, I was there last year. Oh, were you OK? Better, worse atmosphere. Everything kind of put together with the rain and. The weather put a damper on it. I like the programming better this year than last year. I think it could have been done way better. I get, I get the hardness to
watch of it, to watch. But as far as the programming goes, I I liked this programming better than last year's. The I think they were dealing with a lot of stuff and they just they were they did the best that they could So like I I have no complaints with how it was. I thought the live stream was awesome for the most part I I don't have any complaints. I'm not near as strict about that stuff as Sevon is so I didn't have any problem watching it when I was watching the live
stream. Not all, all around it. I mean, I don't know. It's hard because a lot of things I liked better this year. Last year the weather was better and that made it. It was cold last year, but it wasn't. If it's dry, that's the difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I'm probably this year just because of the programming and my pick actually won this time. So it's hard not to root for the one that you picked. So, right, like, I mean, yeah, so I mean that's, that's, that's
what I'm rolling with. I did meet. I tell you what, I met a lot of people that I have talked bad about, like the like the very first day, the very first day. I talked with a couple of Tia fans and they asked me why I say the things I say about Tia even though I'm not Hitler. They treated me like I was Hitler. And I was like. Guys, she she's doing great. Like like I got like 16 DMS in my message in my thing after after she won the run. And I was like, no, I hope she
does great. I just want Laura to do a little better. That's it. And then I I met Ficundo and he like, like, waved me down. Like I didn't hear him, like somebody else had to get me so I could talk to him. And and I was like, oh, God. And then he was. And then like, he first thing he goes, it's like, why do you hate mayhem? And I was like, that's a great question. I don't know, But I do. And I'm like, or, you know, or I said, I said I was a hater. I know I'm a hater.
I can't help it. I have favorites. I'm sorry. And then it was kind of like it was a little bit awkward. It was awkward for me, but that's OK. I don't think you can say if you have an honest opinion about something and it's not like all cherries and rainbows the way other podcasts are, you can decide who those are. But if you if you want to speak honestly about people, and you have favorites and you want to root for people, and you're an analyst.
You got to make picks. Yeah, you got to make picks and you got to have favorites. And I use my heart a lot more than I use the computer. And you got to look those people in the eye, you know what I mean? And it's and it's awkward, but you still got to look them in the eye and say, hey, I'm, I'm sorry, but that I talk the way I talk sometimes, like I. Mean. And I tell you, I I was a parking lot meeting with Tia with being like, God, are you trying to tell me I need to dial
it back? Because it was like it was like 3 people in a row and then the rest of the rest of the event was great. Rest of the event was great, but so that was fun and it was fun to talk to them. And then Keeper Lamy, you know Kiefer. Yeah, I know him from Instagram. I've messaged or I've talked. I think I've messaged him before he introduced himself. He's got blonde hair now. I didn't know that. I didn't know he was that tall. I've never met him in my life
and I didn't. And I didn't know he was. I didn't know that he was Kiefer. And then we're talking and he asked me who I thought could win the deadlift. And I'm saying, well, there's like 4 girls, right? And then Riddle them off. And then I go, and then, I mean Alex. Alex is good too. He goes, oh, we know we we
manage her. And I was like, oh, OK And then I left and then And then it just dawned on me, I think that was Keeper. And then I like, look up Keeper shirt up it is. He's got his bright blonde hair though. I didn't know. I didn't know. It was like it threw me for all I could see was the hair. And and then I messaged him. I was like, hey, my bad, man, I didn't even it didn't register and then, but it was all good. It was all good.
I met. Myself, a couple times I met Jake Marconi. He's a super nice guy. Rich is a super nice guy. His he had a Paige Powers suite, was right next to my gym and and Rich was up there. I don't just probably just talking with people that he knows. And then this girl that I'm with, her name, Summer, she's one of the girls at my gym, one of my barbell girls, so. She's. In the in the barbell club so rich Rich looks at us. I I don't know if he knows who I am at all but like he's seen me
around but like I don't know. I don't know if he knows me at all but he was like hey guys how you doing? Like just real out spoken and and I was like Rich you know that was all I see but but she was starstruck like. Yeah, Richard said. Hi. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean, he was super nice. So everybody was super nice. Yeah, Met a lot of people. Really. It was really fun. The sweets are the way to go. I'm telling like if people want to know. It was what What did your your gym got one right?
Yeah, and it was, it was, I think it was like $400.00 or something. For a ticket I did not spend that much, but for everybody else, it was like $400. But it was worth it because when it was hot, it was cold in there, and when it was cold it was hot in there. And all of the people that are big names like the hard work pays off. Crew was 2 sweets from us, talked through the chipper with Josh Bridges and that was pretty cool. Like we made our picks.
I told everybody that Roman was going to win by 10 seconds not realizing everybody's rooting for Hopper in that whole suite. I I don't connect things very, very well. I get like I I really didn't I didn't realize like Brian and Brian sets me up. He's such a Dick. Brian Brian goes or he goes you got you got Roman or hopper I go Roman by 10 seconds said it loud for the whole suite to hear and and then O'Keefe was like all right well you can leave. OK. Oh, no.
Every everything was fine. It was fine. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, you know, when you go and do rank all 20 athletes, only one can be first, right? And like when you start having it, like we had Shelby Neal on on Wednesday and then we go rank and we have her down in the bottom like bottom 5, right? Like the athletes are going to finish like you have to do, you're you're you got to be real, right. And like it doesn't make everybody happy. I can't say.
Right, Yeah. And so it it just is what it is. And then if you do see somebody or that you do communicate like Lazar wasn't thrilled with with you. Right now. And to fight me and, and I mean, I was right and I'm sorry Lazar, but until you prove me wrong, like I'm going to keep on saying that stuff. Yeah, and it wasn't like you were crazy. I mean, they were all three, which is wild. They're all three within. It was wild. It was wild that they were. All three that close, you know?
You have an opinion of Lazar versus BKG and and Chandler and Tyler had a different vision of that. Turns out it was a pretty good bet. And they were very, very good kind. Of on the money, right with him too, though. Like it wasn't out of the realm of possibility. Absolutely Menopause and metcons 499. Thank you. Thank you haters for bringing blunt evaluation of performance and programming. Appreciate it. Try our best. Hey John, do you know that Ariel works out in her garage?
That's she, really. She does. That's crazy. She does. Yeah. Yeah, did. You did. Is she? She's a mom too. She is. She is a mom. Yeah, pretty wild. Trish Bushi, 7th and shot caller. Yeah, I get Adm from every single person that's beating me. I'm pretty. Positive. I have like 9 DMS all about shot caller and I was 16th. I was 16th in the whole thing. I got 9 DMS about. You got to be only we start. We started with six foot 8. Crossfitter was he beat? Me. Yeah. Yeah, he he's good.
Although I'm telling you, if I didn't, Velner really screwed me over or I'd have 40 more points. I mean, I should have just, I should have went with tutor. I should have played it safe. And I didn't. I didn't. Daniel, you don't even need a private suite. I sat in the Intel area, which is a public suite with 40 of your new best friends. Not sure where that is. Lift. Eat. Sleep. Repeat. Would athlete who did not compete would have done well with this year's programming. I don't.
Know Mal O'Brien? That's a tough one. I'm. Trying to think of Justin Maderos. I mean the best guy. Yeah. I don't know if there's anybody that I would say. I mean, maybe Tim Paulson might have been had a few, no? Way bro. I'm just trying, trying to think of somebody that's not Mal O'Brien or. Justin Maderos would have done what there isn't. This is all the best people. In the world. Yeah, like, I don't even think, like, Colton probably wouldn't have done great on this.
He he would have done good at the deadlift. He would have the squat bar muscle workout if he can get over it. Yeah. The handstand push up room. Colt Merns Colt Merns would have done well at this competition. I'd say he'd get like 11th of 11th is well that's I think he that's where he'd be. What about Alexis or Annie? I mean, yeah, sure. I don't think they would have. I don't think that either would have been on the podium. No, but I mean, again, you're
naming top ten people. Brooke Wells, Emmett All. OK, bottom 10 people. What about? What do you think about this? No Americans on either of the podiums. Was there any Americans on the podium at the Games? Yeah. Ariel. Ariel. That's the only one. Yeah. Well, Ariel Owen was our only hope for Rogue Invitational. It makes sense. Yeah, Richie Rich was fourth in shot caller and would have been second and I've been 3 seconds faster and changing although I'm.
Supremely annoyed that Tyler made it where you could select anybody at any time, because I would argue that is where I catch ground on everybody else. Five of the pick. Yeah, you. Remember when I say champions are made on Sunday, like when you when you can just pick whoever you want to pick the whole entire time. That's defeats the purpose of the game. You got to be smart and and like I was playing it that way until like the 4th event and then I found out oh you can just.
Keep picking. Yeah, and I I think that takes away from the game, but it's. OK. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think it was a good recap show. We'll be back on Wednesday. Hopefully Tyler will be back. It's been wedding weekend, so he's kind of been offline. But John, appreciate you jumping, jumping back on when you got back in, back at home and thanks everybody for watching and back. Wednesday, yeah. Absolutely. I guess do you want to recap the bets on Wednesday or you want to
do that now can? I we'll we'll recap it because Tyler needs to. Tyler is the big loser Really quick. Can I hear? Can I hear the? So the the first one was BKG or Lazar. BKG wins Chandler Smith or Lazar, you won that. Travis Mayer in the top ten. You won that. What was the last one? He didn't pick Travis Mayor to be the top 10. That was me. Oh, you OK? That that was that was me. And the last one was Chandler Smith finishes outside the top five. Tyler. So Tyler wins that one.
OK. So you're 3 and 1, two and one against Tyler, one and O versus me. Not bad. Not bad, yeah. And one reminder go make sure you watch the Bears and Tyson Beigeant if you keep an eye out. Travis Beigeant has a suite there and I think Sivan and Hiller will be hanging out. Yes, in the suite. So I think they will be getting some right, Yeah. Pan over to him. 100% Yeah. I guarantee Travis gets on quite a few times, especially if if
Tyson does well. Tysons just tore his Achilles, so I'm going to have to find something else to root for so I can't root for my Vikings anymore. So I hope Tyson's the real deal. There you go. All right guys, until Wednesday. We'll see you later. Bye.