What's going on guys? And welcome back. We have the iconic God Loki dropping tonight, and it is officially September season. We have a lot to break down about the trickster, all the best cards, combos, and where he fits into Marvel, snap, Loki, Loki, he's our man. And we also have a brand new season full of cards that are definitely gonna change the archetype of landscape of Marvel Snap.
We have Alioth, we have Ravonna, and we've got Mobius, that are definitely gonna change the landscape of the decks that we used to know. And finally, we're gonna be talking about cards on the rise. With all these cards coming out with the meta shifting, what are some cards we see potentially going up in meta play and on the ladder? We're gonna talk about this all today and more on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Hello. Happy September buddy.
We got a new season. We've got ourselves some crazy OTAs, A lot of new cars to talk about. Should be a good episode of the Snapchat. How you doing?
I'm doing great, and you're right, this is an absolutely wild, wild season that's upcoming. The Loki season is gonna be all about mischief, all about chaos, and I'm all for it. I think the cards that we're gonna be talking about today are absolutely wild, and I can't wait to get into the discussions.
We have another exciting season ahead of us, which I'm already deeming, kind of like. The new archetype season, there's gonna be a lot of new like deck creations and putting to rest some kind of old deck archetypes that have been around since the beginning, or at least have some effective counters. Man, we've got the new season trailer. We have the infinite leaderboards. What do you think about that?
Actually, I wanna ask you about that seasoned trailer. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. How was it filming that? Because it looked like a ton of fun, and obviously you played a key role in getting absolutely roasted the entire time, but you ultimately came out victorious.
Dude, that was such a cool, incredible experience. Like I, the moment I got there, I walk in the door, right? And they shoot all these trailers at the same spot. And so you see like, you know, the, the bin bro, robot head, and there's some stuff from the other kind of seasons. And before I could even say hello to the team, they're like, I hope you're okay. You're like, about to get absolutely blasted on this trailer.
Like, before I could even you know, conjure a thought and I was just like, oh yeah, let's get it. Like, you know, what is it? And they're like, can you handle a lot of heat? And I was like, and they're not like, tell me what it was yet. So I'm like, I don't, like, what am I about to do? Been, you know, eight wings last time and they're gonna have me like do something. And it was actually really cool. They gave me this script. And they did these storyboard artists.
So like this person like drew me out. They made me look way better than I am. I looked at Hugh Jackman. Yeah, a lot of fun and just really cool to be a part of that.
I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was legitimately hilarious. And like, even with the way like you're arguing about like death not being a six cost, which is kind of funny 'cause we included death on our six costs, like discussion we had like a couple weeks ago. So it was like so funny. I don't know. The whole thing was hilarious. I thought it was great.
Yeah, they listen. First of all, I liked that I was going kind of against Snapster, like trying to, trying to take him down. One of my questions, right, was like, what card did Ben bro play last Thursday at 2:00 PM And my, my script says, Corg. And I was just like, oh man, I'm just gonna pull this on him and see what everybody does. And I was just like, Aero and dude, no one dropped a beat.
They just like kept it going and they made the final, like, they didn't ask me to reshoot, so I snuck in my true love there. But I die at the end. It's a, it's kind of a sad story arc.
You know what? Sometimes the strongest story arcs have the most emotional ending. So I think it was fitting.
I'm dead, Alex. I'm dead.
I mean, you're here. You're here. So maybe in that storyline that you die, but it's a multiverse. Cozy.
It's a multiverse. It is. In fact mountain Vesuvius wasn't as bad. Pompei. You know, it's okay. The pizza's good, that that's the best thing going for, but yeah, man, a lot of fun memory in the making and I, I am fortunate to live like an hour away from where they shoot that stuff.
How was it like to get completely roasted by Ben Brode on his game show?
Gosh, man, Mr. Positivity came at me quick when he said, save it for your YouTube channel. Cozy. Like, I'm pretty sure there was improvs, and I like spit out my drink. I didn't have a drink, but it was it was super comical to see the behind the scenes too, man, like such a production nerd to see and that kinda stuff. But yeah, man, I got roasted. I've been seeing some hashtags. Justice for Cozy man, I did. I got killed.
So before we kind of jump into everything, what are we talking about on your side?
Cozy. We'll be talking about the cards from the big in Japan season. We'll be giving our final impressions and our final rankings after playing them before the month. We're also gonna be giving some new player tips. So if you're new to Marvel Snap and new to the Snapchat, welcome. We'll be giving you some of our best tips to help you get started. And then finally, another new player friendly topic. We'll be discussing our favorite pool, three cards in Marvel Snap.
Let's go ahead and get to it, man. Let's get to the card coming out tonight in about what 12 hours about from when we post this Loki is coming to Marvel. Snap, Alex, and good God. This is gonna be a fun conversation to have. I mean, just talking about an iconic character coming to the game. Loki is up there next to like Gene Gray. We haven't gotten a lot of just super iconic season pass highlight cards, silver Surfer, and it rings a bell as well.
He is a three cost five power card with the ability on reveal. Replace your hand with cards from your opponent's starting deck and give them negative one cost. Now I wanna highlight a couple things. Replace means if you have cars in your hand. They'll be swapped out with cars in their starting deck. And then also big time thing to highlight here, negative one cost. And I think Alex, no minimum, I think that's a big thing to highlight. Not like quinjet, not like these other cards.
You can make one cost, zero cost, and that's gonna be huge. Initial thoughts on Loki.
My initial thoughts are super positive. I am really looking forward to this card. I, I love the design of it because of how disruptive it is. I think the scouting element, the mischief side of it, I think they capture the lore, they capture the flavor of what Loki is. I think that it has the potential to be very, very powerful for the exact reason that you just mentioned. You can bring cards. Down to zero cost. And that's huge. That's huge. 'cause we know that's an immensely powerful effect.
That's the whole reason why Quinjet got Nerf. That, that it's huge. Right. Whether or not he gets played on three though, it's funny how, like I've been playing with like Dex Formm and stuff like that. Yeah. And it's like, you know what, it's interesting 'cause like you want to have that large hand, you're right to identify right off the bat that you're replacing the cards you have in your hand with cards from their deck. So if you only have.
Two, three cards in your hand, well then you're only getting two, three cards at the reduced cost. Right? So you want to have that large hand. So do you replace 'em after you place something like a Nick Fury with Zabu or like what do you actually do there? Right. I think it's interesting from a piloting perspective for, but from a card perspective, I think he has the potential to be absolutely wild. And wild is the key word that I'm using here. 'cause I think that's the, the right descriptor.
Yeah. So it's man, I kind of alluded to it at the intro. This is the New Archetype Month. We'll talk about the other cards, but there's a lot of cards coming out that create new style of play for Marvel Snap in a season. It typically is gonna be complimented, right? We're gonna see compliments and you know, July was actually pretty good in creating some new stuff with Legion and whatnot, but with this season we're having so many cards that just create a new way to play and Loki is gonna be fun.
Number one, I think like just season pass card fun. Kinda like Hit Monkey. That Hit Monkey was just like a fun card too. Checkbox there, right? Number two, chaotic, which is perfect for the card and a new way to play. I think a few things is he's gonna be the worst that he'll be to start this season because everybody's gonna wanna be playing 'em and you'll be swapping cards and crazy. And the decks you steal aren't exactly reliable.
Maybe 'cause they're other Loki decks and I think it's gonna take some time to figure him out. But also he could end up being an insanely good plug and play card for Conquest tournament play. Being able to see their hands and it rewards people that love the District Xs. It rewards people that likes weird world and the, and just thinking on your feet, trying to create what you can out of the, you know, cards that you've been given. And Alex, it also rewards people that love.
Agent Colson and or Nick Fury. And that is where I'm pumped. I mean, the whole reason I like those decks, that style is because I like, you know, you don't get the surprise factor as much, but I like working with new options, especially at a discounted rate. And we're gonna talk synergies, Alex, but man, Colson, I think Colson could end up being like a very good fit for Loki because of getting more cards to your hand, but also just fits that style of play. Yeah.
It does fit the style of play. And the thing about Loki that's so fascinating is like, first of all, people don't put garbage cards in their deck, right? So you're likely getting Yeah. Good cards, right? The only risk is like if they're playing very synergistic stuff, like it might not work as well. Like, oh, I pulled a venom. Like what am I going to do with that?
Like there's some cards might be a little too niche to their particular archetypes to have the overall appeal, and I think that's part of the downside, which kind of balances it out. But you're right, Colson. Fill up the hand, pull their carts, and like we've talked so many times in the past about the most powerful effect in Marvel Snap being cost reduction, right? Like literally what makes Zabu powerful, the cost reduction, what makes Sara powerful, the cost reduction.
And Loki does that with their deck. And so I think it's pretty fascinating from that standpoint.
Damn near anything outside of maybe high Evo. Shocker. If it has cost reduction in its name, it's insane. Like it's very, very good. Like it has always been meta relevant at some point in time, which is why the other cars we'll talk about is kind of gonna be extra crazy per se. I. Let's talk about synergies. We're gonna talk about big value, small value. How are you gonna wanna play him tonight and this week as you get the new card and kind of where like, I see him fitting into Marvel Snap.
So first of all, let's talk about synergies and the cards that I think are going to fit best. Now, obviously these are cards that either give you cards in your hands and or they just kind of fit into most decks, right? Because you're gonna have to think on the fly. You're gonna have to be able to build stuff to work with other cards. So, As like a vacuum. I want to just say like good stat cards are gonna be just fine to have cards that already work, that can be discounted.
That kind of doesn't really matter. The other cards in the deck, they're just good statted. Right? And those are the ones I'm gonna see work at Jeff. Another great example Thanos, right? I think Thanos, the, the thing is Thanos has incredible draw and having the ability to have a mind stone on one and then maybe a soul stone on two just gives you a huge hand to then be able to change. And then also with all that, what does Thanos do well?
Well, he takes a god, a mischief, and he just works with so many different cards. So you can make a deck that doesn't have necessarily synergy, just great cards with it. And Loki's included.
I love that idea. And like you know, even you can play something like a Loki time stone. You have the extra energy and allows you to just like do the next turn with all those cards you've brought in at a reduced cost. And an actual, we've, we've seen a lot of Quinjet and Thanos in the past. Not quite anymore, but I wonder if. We start seeing it again because of that interaction. Right. I, I love the call with Thanos because it maintains such a large hand, right?
And that lets you confidently play Loki on three, which might be a challenge in some other archetypes. So I love the call out of Thanos here.
Well, I think we can both agree and you just said it right. The Quinjet interaction. I wanna talk about that for a second. Because the people, you gotta understand, first of all, you steal a Sera, you get a four cost Sera and then you have a three cost, two costs, one cost, everything else, right? So having that ability, there's gonna be some cards. Mainly other cost reduction cards or just like swing cards, leach, things like that are gonna be really, really helpful.
Getting that, you know, at a cost reduction. But then, you know, and we gotta remember guys, you don't always get perfect draw. Everything's not always gonna be perfect, but if you do get Quinjet, And then you get Loki to follow in. What I would assume is an America Chavez deck. I do see Chavez really being a home with Loki, just to make it all more dependable. You don't really care what you're getting. You just wanna make sure that you get Loki, maybe quinjet in there, a cost reduction of two.
We haven't seen this. Since Zabu days, man, and we saw it get outta hand with Zabu. I don't know if you've ever done like a stech with onslaught and seen just the hilarity of what you can play. It gets nutty pretty fast.
It's kind of wild to think about how like Loki is going to provide players with an opportunity to really use opponent's decks against them, which could be very fun for new players as well. 'cause like let's say you don't have like all these pool five cards and stuff. You're like, Hey, Look at that look at that Galactus that you have. I like playing Galactus. Hey, I can play Galactus on turn five with no ramp. Thank you very much.
It's like so interesting to see how like this card's gonna interact as a whole, but like the cost reduction is insane. And then getting that quinjet and dropping them by two Galactus on turn four. Thank you very much. Ain't nobody expecting that. Right. So it's kind of fun actually. Maybe they do expect it 'cause it's in their deck. Right? So it does have some counter play. But you're right, cozy, like Zabu was the, I think it was the only time we've ever had a two power reduction in a card.
Right? Two cost reduction. Yeah. And it completely shattered everything. Like the absorbing man Spider-Man combo. Literally had my, I'm like, do I smash my phone right now? Like, is this, is this the end of my Marvel Snap career 'cause of this, these damn combos. But they fixed it. Right? And I don't know. I think we're in for a wild
ride. Which I love because I, I feel like the agent Colson Deck still does what it does well, the agent's a shield deck. But it has been unshadowed a little bit and I'm glad to see kind of this random chaos deck in a sense come back in a into light. I will say too, people I think are a little bit worried about synergy. You know, like what if you go against a destroyed deck? Okay, that's fantastic. Okay, yeah. You get a Bucky Barnes, but you're going to get a venom or probably a death lock.
You're gonna get like four or five cards. But dude just getting their death or null, it's over. If you get their death, you immediately just like clap that death. 'cause you get their biggest swing, right? And so it's the little things like that. I think that, you know honor reveal you get Wong like, cool. You'll be able to make that probably to your advantage. There's some that aren't gonna work, right? I mean, there's cerebral dexa that can be a bit awkward maybe.
But altogether, I think the cards you get, like you said, people don't just put bad cards in decks for no reason. Now some other things that I think are gonna kind of fit in well, I mean, we'd be dumb not to talk about the collector who. You know we are assuming it's gonna work. I would assume just by reading the text here that this is going to work, right? You've got replace your hand, right?
So you would assume these cards did not start in your hand and all of a sudden you have an immediate impact. Of, what would that be? Up to? Three, four. You got like a 2 6, 2 7 you know, maybe even a two five by doing nothing. And then you can continue to build on that with your deck.
I do, I do. And I think it's, it's fascinating from a standpoint of like, you kind of, you play collector, but it comes at the cost of like hand generation, like in my head, like, here's the trade, right? So Collector gets that plus three, plus four, whatever happens to be.
But like the way I've been seeing the turn one and two play out, like again I like the lines, I like thinking about the lines and it's like, okay, you have something like Agent 13 into, say even a Maria Hill, which might actually outperform a mirage in this case because of the extra power on her. It's like, okay, you play Maria Hill, you get the extra, you know, the card that swaps with the Loki, the negative one, or to play collector and then have that ramp up.
So I like these early game options, how there's no easy choice. Right. And collector is obviously, Hyper powered in this scenario, but maybe you just really want that two, three power from Maria Hill. 'cause you just want that extra card in your hand. Yeah. Because you just wanna replace it.
Well, what's cool too is like, you know, if you have Chavez, you can have Quinjet collector. I would put Zabu in there as well. And maybe a couple Agent Colson we just talked about. So now all of a sudden you're not just like relying on this one car to pull it off. You get a couple of these and now you're starting to fire off the cannons now. It's gonna be interesting because these cards are energy reduced. You kind of are going to have to be careful on space.
And so the, you know, I almost, I call it you got the one for ones, right? So we already know these exist in the game, and I think, I don't know if I'll be including these in all my decks, but you have like the cable, you have Mirage, you have agent, right? People have been talking about agent 13. So the one for ones I think are gonna be cool.
But man, the ones that I see just like shining big time is you know, I said Quinjet but if you can get Zabu down, either Moon Girl and or Nick Fury to all of a sudden just get that hand size, bam, maxed out or at least close to it, right? And that's where I see there being a pretty big significant advantage.
I like that call. I like that call a lot. The only risk of course would be like overfilling your hand and not having Loki in it, right? Yeah. So sometimes Moon Girl can be tricky from that standpoint. However, like you're right and board space becomes a factor when if you have Quinjet and you moon girl your hand and then you swap it all with Loki, it's, it's pretty crazy. But that, would that, would that require you to top deck Loki? Like, it's okay.
This deck is so much trickier to design than like, Than most. It's crazy how Loki is like such a fascinating and unique card in Marvel Snap because like yes, you have board space you have to contend with, right? You also have to consider, okay, if I have Quinjet on the board, right? I. What is the latest that I can play Loki while still maximizing? How many cards do I play 'em on? Turn five? Yes. Like, you know what I mean?
Like, that's an interesting question that I don't have the answer to yet.
Because your, your cards are gonna be so cheap that you're gonna be able to maybe push it a turn. I think four will be the latest you want to try to play Loki. Five is still fine, especially if you have collector on the board. For me, if I had Moon Girl, I would have to either like I would've to have Loki in hand and then you just play Moon Girl, get 'em all copied, then play Loki on four, right? And then you swap 'em all out and then you just have a super aggressive turn after that.
That's kinda the way I see Nick Fury kind of the same way. And then if you don't, both Nick Fury and Moon Girl, you're like, oh, cool, I still get the Quinjet bonus and I can make something put together and have a devil dinosaur deck. That's where I see the biggest home for him. And if it's not that, Alex, I see maybe just like a Sera, good counters, good cards, Enchantress, Shang-Chi kind of deck, and have Loki in there. Take some of theirs, get good energy curve, and then play it out.
It's funny you mentioned devil dinosaur. 'cause my first kind of pen and pencil design for Loki features devil dinosaur, which is counter synergistic in a sense because you can dump your entire hand so fast. Yeah. But I think that if you don't draw him, you have all this card generation that you've generated like, that you've designed the deck for and then that he's a natural fallback for that. Yeah. And so I think that's important too.
'cause like as wild, as Loki is if you draw him on turn five or six, he's effectively a dead card.
Yeah. Exactly. What I like about 'em though in conquest is if you play 'em on five or six, let's say five and they haven't snapped, like how cool is it that you can just be like, oh, okay, lemme just see their entire deck, they're playing with leave. And then I go into that next battle, all the wiser, like that's where I also see 'em getting a lot of play. Right? Just being that pure intel piece, Alex.
But it is gonna be this, I honestly, he reminds me of those like characters in like MOBAs that are like very hard to master, but you know, their skill range is so high. If you get good at Loki, I think at playing random cars, making things work, reading opponents, knowing if you wanna steal their deck, when to steal your deck, hand size, all that, that's where he is really gonna come into play. But he is gonna be fun for most.
I don't think he's gonna be game changing, but he's gonna be a lot of fun.
It'll be interesting to see, like you, you play Loki you snap and they're like, oh no, he has my combo. But it's cheaper than ever. Like yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm scared now he's gonna hit me with the whole thing my deck is designed to do. It's, I think the mind games are huge, but that's awesome. That's the flavor of Lokey. I'm so glad they nailed it.
Okay, so I got a couple cards in here that are gonna be like, wait a second. I was trying to think, you know the obvious, you've got the moon girls, right? But what about like some real tricky cards that are gonna be kind of nutty? First of all, I was thinking about some combos just. General thoughts. I just, I'm gonna leave it here. Agatha.
Yeah. You've been sipping the grape juice, man. I'm, I playing it. I'm, you're making excited for Agatha. Think about it. It's an extra card. It's true. It's an extra, A lot of people miss that, that she starts in the hand as an additional card. That's something that a lot of people don't realize about. Aha. So I like where your head's at here, so I want to hear your pitch, but I am already skeptical.
It's not like she's gonna be this is gonna make her like extremely competitive, but the way that I look at it, Is if you play Agatha with, let's say, you know, a thinned out deck as much as you can, Loki is your only turn three option. What if you have a lady sif or Loki? Those, your two, three cast cards, it plays one of those and you're good to go. You're free from agatha's chains.
'cause if you, if she placed Loki on three, you get rid of the Agatha problem and you get an extra card to swap everything out, you do lose her power. But, It's an extra card and you don't even have to worry about it.
Yeah. I like where your head's at here. I like the attack vector of let's get a card into our hand at any expense possible. But like the six 14, be helpful with Agatha. Like there's a reason why you ladys her, right. So that you can ghost ride her after. Right. The power is still something here like. But I like what you're playing with here. I, hmm. Mischief. It's a dangerous game. Cozy, fun. If you need and fun, if you need an egg of the deck.
Meta. I'm gonna be terrified for the future of Marvel snap.
Fun. And fun is what I was looking at there. No, I didn't think it was gonna be meta. I just thought it'd be fun to bring her up. The last card before we move on with him in general is obviously the discount's gonna be great. I think he's gonna just be a very advantageous card. I've been kind of stewing on this. What about beast? Now I say beast because I'm thinking it. You could then take your Loki back. Right? So here's the deal.
You'd have to top deck the beast for this to work out, but even having 'em in as an option is kind of a cool thing to think about because either one, you could play some cards with Generation Agent 13. This is like one of my favorite builds I don't think people were thinking about. You do the agent thirteens, you do the, the cables, whatever it might be to get card generation go Maria Hill, right? And then all of a sudden if you don't get Loki on three, you just get these cards back.
You take it back, you get your hand size getting nice and big without having to worry about it. Or if you get beasts later on, you can get your Loki again, which is nutty. He's only two costs. You can do the whole thing again. But you also now have these cards that are already so reduced. So you get an Ironman, you can play him down. Do it again. Or an honor reveal card. White tiger. You get right? Play her down. Pick 'em up.
Now, white Tiger's two three beast makes a lot of sense to keep the flow in the tempo.
It is a really cool synergy. Like, you're right, you're right. That like it would potentially be really amazing, but the top decking component of it makes it hard. I don't know, like do you, it, it doesn't sound like it'd be consistent, but it would if you could pull it off that is like a tournament winner.
But this is what I'm thinking. It's not even about like trying to make these dream scenarios happen. Beast. I did a video forever ago before Beast was like popping off. It was like, don't sleep on balance. And it was a collector devil dino bounce deck. That was the whole point of it, right? So, It's not like you have to get 'em, but if you happen to have these conditions happen, it's an extra bump up in value. If you don't, then great. You get beast and he's gonna work in the deck.
Synergy altogether. This is the one that I was sitting on that I just don't know was talked about enough.
It's fair, it's fair. I had not, I had not considered beast in the, the discussion with Loki, so I'm glad you brought it up. It's good to like really kind of think outside the box here. 'cause I think that's where the most inventive decks come from. Right? And ultimately when we get our hands on it, we can test it, right? So like, in theory it should work, but We only have six turns, right? We only have six turns, which can be a bit of a factor here.
But like how does this all compound together is what I do want to see altogether. Guys. Loki though. I think we could continue to theorize on him. Bottom line is he's not gonna be some meta defining card you get, but I think he does unlock a new style of play, a fun style of play, and don't expect him to be earth shattering right away. I think he'll get better over time if you like conquest. He's a big time winner. And it's Loki, man. It's it's fricking Loki. Alright man.
Let's go to the next subject though, because we, we've got a just a ton of cards to break down with the Loki season man. And. You know, after the destroy season, we're gonna get to that. But I'm like, all right, pump the brakes. How excited am I really about this season? What do I actually rate these cards? So I wanna challenge us today truly looking at these cards, seeing are they gonna be well worth it? Give 'em a one through five star on just the card, and then break down why we like them.
Now we of course have to start out. We'll kind of go in the order of release. It's gonna be first and foremost, Alioth, Alex and Alioth guys is a six five. That honor reveal, destroy all enemy cards. Played here, this turn, including unrevealed cards. Now I think this is a card that is, People are losing their marbles for this man. I think people think this is gonna be nutty, crazy, and honestly, I don't know if this is gonna be even remotely the most impactful on the month.
I think it'll be a good card. I think it'll be super polarizing. Alex,
you know, my initial thoughts were that like this card is completely earth shattering. Like I was part of the hype. I'm like, this card's gonna be insane. And even at the six costs, I was excited about it, right. Now at five costs. I'm like, you know what? Now that I'm thinking more clearly right? And thinking about other cars like chemo, and I'm like, you know what? We kind of missed the mark on 2099, right? Like, we can't get too hyped up about things every once in a while.
Be more grounded, make deeper analysis of these cards. I think that's valuable, right? I still think Alioth gonna be good. Okay. I'm just like, I still think this car is gonna be good because it's. It just does something that's so unique in Marvel Snap. It's the specific attack on the unrevealed cards. Cozy for me that like that's the most powerful thing because any on reveal effect gets completely disrupted. Dr. Doom disrupted right? Zola disrupted.
Any card that has on Reveal gets, just gets disrupted based on initiative. And how often have we talked about Cozy to make early turns matter and now suddenly we have a card that, once again, not since Leader has made Initiative Matter more than ever and that's exactly what we have with Alioth. And I'm personally still pretty, pretty hype for him.
Okay. I like what you said there though, because you're not trying to get cute. You're just talking about him being a good Tempo card and that was one of the biggest things that I had written down. It's like. If you just have good, you know, value plays, simply just playing 'em in a lane that you need to win, the other lane is already won. That's how you're gonna get the most value.
Yes, there's gonna be some crazy combos, there's gonna be a lot of synergy situations where Alioth is gonna feel just so annoying, but just him as a nice on turn six, win the rest of the game. You win turn six, it's over. That's where I do see him being the best. I don't think he's a flop by any means. I just think people think it's like the next best card in Marvel Snap. And I'm hesitant 'cause I need to see how he plays out and, and listen.
They already put him up to from a five cost to a six cost. So I think they already realized like, alright, pump the brakes here a little bit. But if we were gonna highlight what I think he is going to do well. First of all, ramp. I do think it's a nice little bonus. You can now get crazy things going. You can even get the Arnim Zola play with them, which I think everyone's losing their marbles about how crazy that could potentially be.
Ramp sometimes struggles with priority, sometimes it doesn't at all. I do see that being heavily impacted. Destroy is really good right now, which has armor slotted in anyway as well. People need to remember armor. If this was June, July would've been a problem, but now we're seeing armor and a lot more decks as well. And then you're only playing a five power card at that point. If armor does squeak out or if there's nowhere else that you can play it.
'cause there's a goose and an armor, you know, as the meta kind of naturally goes. So ramp I've got down. But Alex, I think we could both agree Galactus with Alioth, it's gonna bring back some old June 2023, May 2023 feelings.
It's gonna piss people off because what it basically does is if you ramp out Galactus, they can't play Like if you, 'cause you're gonna have initiative. The only way the Galactus effect pulls it off is if you're winning the location. Now there's only one location. That means you have initiative and then you follow up on turn six with Alioth and they just can't do anything to counter it. It's, it's an easy win.
Turn five Galactus wins with Alioth on turn six every single time, there's no counter play. Right? So, yeah, you're right. People are gonna tilt, but is there counter play? I kind of feel like there is.
You know what I think of it and people are not gonna want to hear this and I get it, but I'm truly trying to think of the balance team and how they thought of this. 'cause they didn't not think about Galactus. I bet you the stats of if you get to play Galactus down before turn six, what were those chances of winning already? They're probably very high regardless, like if Galactus gets played down, unless you have a destroyed deck.
And at that point, maybe it doesn't matter that they have Alioth 'cause then you just bucky into it or whatever it might be. You know what I mean? Like if you play Galactus down, you manage to get it on that location and you get it quickly. Alioth is gonna help you auto win, kinda like Spider-Man did. In my opinion.
I absolutely agree. And I think it's something they clearly tested a lot. There's no way they didn't, right. Because they would've had to have obviously realized, as you mentioned, like, Hey, this is gonna be huge with Galactus and Galactus players have become increasingly better, and I think that Galactus right now is way less we'll say choreographed as it used to be. Right. It's not like, oh. They played, they played yondu. Oh, they played Wolverine. Oh, here's the wave.
It's not like that anymore. So now you can get taken by surprise with the Galactus on more occasions than one. And Alioth is like just so perfect, so perfect. But I think you gotta be ready for it. You just, you gotta play with that in mind. I like, as you said, goose, armor, Cosmo, like those types of cards. Hell Polaris to some degree, right? If you're playing surfer to, to occupy additional territory, like you, you just gotta be ready. You gotta respect it. You gotta respect Galactus.
That's the most powerful thing about Galactus, you gotta respect it. The moment you don't respect it, it's gonna slap you right outside the mouth.
Yeah. And And I think that ultimately you do, if you don't play Galactus, you're gonna have to be smart on where they're gonna be playing their cards, which is why I think to wrap up on Lyth and we're gonna have to see how it kind of all works out together. But I do think outside of doing some cheeky ramp stuff with the Zola, The lockdown decks make the most sense because really you just need to know where they're gonna play. And if you are able to cheat a lane, it's like the Hulk.
It doesn't matter if Alioth was 1 million points it like it's going to win that location probably no matter what. Like our high Evo Hulk days where you cheat a lane, play the Hulk, you're gonna probably win that right. Professor X, maybe even storm to a degree if they, if you're able to lock it down in time. But also man, like gene gray, right? Like you're forcing them to play on a lane where you know they have to play.
And so that's where I honestly see Alioth being probably the most useful in a control standpoint.
The line that I've been playing with the most in my early designs for Alioth has been obviously electro or wave, whatever it is, some form of ramp into a vision into Alioth Zola because I think that vision will let, 'cause you're obviously gonna trade the Zola lane, like you give them the Zola Lane. But the vision gets you an option.
Like, do I attack the Zola lane or do I prop up another location that might be down in, I think that those three cards could potentially be super powerful 'cause a vision could. Basically give you the wind condition on a lane that you're potentially losing and not favorable to actually trade with Alioth.
So I think that there's gonna be multiple ways to approach Alioth, but all of them are gonna be powerful, but still balanced, especially with this meta and how much tech you're seeing towards destroy.
So that just takes us to probably the card that I'm probably most excited to talk about and that is going to be, Ravonna Mobius is close, but Vo Vo voa, first of all, she is gonna be probably on the best spotlight week in my eyes, especially if you don't have some of the cards. She's with Zao. I forget the other one. I think Jean Gray. Right? Like, just a really cool week. Yeah. And by the way, speaking of that, I'm, I'm finally seeing people and I wake up on Gene Gray. I love it, man.
I love to see it a bit more. Voa. She's a three. Three. Alex, ongoing effect your cards with one or less power. Cost. One less. She does have the minimum one on her side. Alex meant this is the A. This is a archetype deck. Building card. Alex. Initial thoughts.
My initial thoughts is that like the scope of this card is kind of surprisingly wide. At first glance you're like, ah, it's a three, three that, okay, whatever the effect's strong, but how strong is it really? Then I started like kind of paying attention to all the cards that it would impact and obviously there's like the Ironman, which is still notable 'cause Ironman can get, you know, a turn four Ironman, turn five Zola. That's pretty damn good.
Dare I say, even turn six, you might be able to play some zoo cards and add a lot of power on the board. I have a deck with Shauna, by the way. I've kind of penciled out on a turn six kind of zoo. But but like there's so many interesting effects that you can pull off with these cards. And it's funny 'cause like I kind of realized cozy and tell me if you agree, but some of the most powerful cards in Marvel Snap have low powers.
Like what I mean is, is like their on reveal effects or their effects are so strong that that's compensated by reducing their power. Right. They're actual onboard power. So when you reduce the cost, suddenly again, cost reduction being incredible, you are able to pull off some insane combos with incredible power potential. So I'm actually kind of excited about
voa. Yeah. And I feel like she's gonna play a lot like Loki does. 'cause of what she does. You can play her on four. You could play her off curve a little bit and still get that bonus going into five and six. Like you could get enough snowball rolling where it's not like the zobo, right? Z, you don't play on two. You just feel bad. You're gonna feel bad playing her on four, but it's not like the worst scenario.
And then just do a one cost whatever with her, and then you can kind of get some curve going either way, dude, this is okay when you start to break it down by archetype. I was not lukewarm on the card. I was excited. And then I was like putting some stuff together and I was like, holy crap. Patriot X, Alex Kocha Patriot's. A two one Mystique is a two zero. Just that alone, you already have two cards that you're now playing for just nothing. You're playing for four costs.
You're playing down Patriot, and you're playing mystique. Is that not crazy?
You're literally reading my mind in my notes. I have cerebral slash mystique plus two, a Patriot slash mystique plus a two drop. Like it's crazy what you can do on turn six now, because like, let's be honest, silver Samurai not a factor right now, so you're able to actually hold these cards pretty late. So now think about what turn six looks like with voa. You protect the patriot, you protect the mystique, you protect the cerebral, you protect the mystique.
And then you get to play an additional two drop, which is kind of crazy. 'cause like these cards often have two drops that synergize very well with them, whether it be sinister, which I mean, you want to hit with like an absorbing man or something. That's a whole other conversation. But like it's wild what these turn six miracle plays look like.
Yep. And like. Even more so. Right. This is where it gets me. So just hyped up VOA on three. Let's say you get her down. Okay. You could then play Patriot and Mystique on four. Just get them outta the way. Get 'em on the board. Oh, well what do you do on five? Well, there's another probably kind of big card that you wanna play in Patriot X that's been working in Patriot X. Okay. You've got Ironman for forecast. Well, Okay, cool. But what if we, this is where it's like, are you kidding me?
What's another card that works in Patriot X? Oh, forge. So then all of a sudden you could play Forge, which we already know is busted with brood at the moment. But imagine playing R Patriot into mystique, into Forge, into Ironman. So you're gonna give you Ironman that three to get things going. And then on six Havo heyday go, just go Doctor Doom. You know, it doesn't even matter. This is just patriot. Mind you, this is why I think people need to start getting a bit more interested in R
You're absolutely right. It's funny 'cause this is the card that originally, like when I was doing like, kind of like my analysis on this upcoming season, I originally glossed over. I was like, ah, R it's probably fine, but whatever. And then when I started really digging, It's crazy with the synergies come out. I'm gonna hit you with another archetype. Cozy. Okay. On Reveal. On Reveal. I love On Reveal.
I've always loved on Reveal and I've been playing a lot of on reveal 'cause somebody put me onto Echo by the way. I've did, I've done multiple infinity splits of Echo because of you in the last two weeks. I'll, I'll have, let's go. Okay. But you know what's crazy? Think about the cards that synergize with Odin. You have Ironheart, wolfs bean, white tiger, like these are have like in white tiger from a stats perspective as a four one that throws out this, it's. Crazy.
And often it's hard 'cause like you, you just don't have enough. You don't have enough time, you don't have enough turns in a game to really take advantage of all these honor reveal effects. Suddenly you do. Yep. Suddenly you do. It's crazy what these cards ca are capable of, especially when you have an A closer like Odin. Right. I don't know. VOA in this list looks like it could potentially just Absolutely wallop
people. I love that you had that. Yeah, I had the Wolf Spain on there with the ju with the jubilee. Good god. It's just gonna be sweet to have. And Iron Hart for two costs. Just feels insane sometimes, man. Like it's gonna just be a thing of absolute beauty. Definitely at honor Reveal. Let's keep making our way down the list. Sera. Control, right? Like Sera. Not that many cards in here that are gonna work with Sera, but dude, this is where I continue to go down the kind of the pipeline.
Angela obviously being one less great stuff, have her in the in the control decks, but then you also now have Bishop as well. But think about the curve flow of getting these cars out easier. Bishop never feels good to get on down for three costs. Like it just feels expensive at times. To me. Having that at two costs is a game changer, obviously. And this is all kind of going into Sera, like prepping your Sera placements. So I have I had Sera as one.
What combines well with Sera, we just talked about mystique, dude, having the Hawk package. This could damn well be the new home for Dark Hawk. 'cause you have mystique discounted because you have Dark Hawk. You could play both of those now for only five power. If you have Za. That's another story. Then it's two and two. Dude, this is a whole new deck. Bill. You are
absolutely correct and I don't wanna reach too far into our next conversation, but if you think about the change to rock slide, right rock slide, going down to three costs despite the loss of power, protects it from the next card, we'll be talking about Triple M one might say and allows the deck that you're describing to actually excel. Because all of a sudden rock slide just is impervious to the, the effects of of Zabi. It doesn't need Zaba anymore. It doesn't need Zaba anymore.
So I am fascinated to experiment with the deck you're talking about. 'cause I think Dark Cox's best days could potentially still be ahead of him. For sure.
Black Widow goes in that deck, like butter as well on tells We got cerebral, you just said, you know, cerebral lovers. Three cerebral, three lovers. More in particular. Hello neighbor. That's gonna be nuts. To wrap it up on voa. I could keep going, but I'm gonna give you guys, let the mind kind of keep getting, getting hot, getting sweaty, even discard, even having her. That three spot, you know, we had stormed there for a while. It can be a bit weird at times, that three spot.
So having VOA potentially give you this access, and it's probably not gonna be your modern day Modoc deck, it would be a different build of it. But having that access to Mobius and Dracula, just two cards back to back, it's another winner in my book. I mean, it, it just feels like she helps out every archetype.
Turn three has always been awkward with discard. I feel like Daikin really helped solidify turn three for, for discard to some degree. Yeah. But it often is, it feels expensive to play Dracula very often. Right. So you're right. I think it'll be a new type of shell. I think it still could work with Modoc. Like I still think, think there's a list there that probably still works, but maybe it'd be like a turn six modoc. I'd have to figure it out.
But But yeah, getting that drac load early, getting that mob Mobius out early, especially if you like, top deck him or something like that could be huge.
Yep. Guys, Galactus, even guys, we have Green Goblin. I think Green Goblin for two Feel is super cool. I, I, I, I'm, that's gonna have some good use. And then finally, man, I think it gives a, like a nice breath of fresh air. You're already trying to get all this energy out. You're already trying to do all this stuff with like energy manipulation. Oh. Here she is. Loc I think LOC naturally now is a one cost.
That gives plus one and you have this time stone that you can kind of make work into your later rounds potentially that are already having these cards that are reduced. So pulling her at any time might feel pretty good altogether. Guys, simple stuff here. VOA is gonna be the way, the truth of light. I'm excited to see how she's going to end up working in Snap. But I don't think she could be a whiff. I don't think she could be a miss. I think she just has a lot of possibilities.
Let's go and get to the last card, which is the R counter, and it comes the next week. And I think this is important obviously, because I anticipating Rvo to just completely sweep Snap. That's Mobius m. Mobius. Now, this is coming after, and this is perfect. People need to understand what this car does. The best way I can explain it to make it super easy to understand is what is Armor to destroy? What is Cosmo to on reveal Mobius is to cost reduction. Okay?
So he's gonna supersede, he's the on and off switch of cost reductions is a two cost. Three power card ongoing, your cost can't be increased, your opponent's cost cannot be reduced. And this is the on and off switch. So wave every card interaction you can think of that is gonna be working with cost is going to be limited because of Mobius and he's gonna give you the advantage and a big disadvantage to me. This is the meta breaker. This is the car, Alex, that is gonna really reinvent.
These decks we've been depending on for a long time. 'cause all of a sudden you have an immediate answer. You have an armor to go on that Deadpool lane. But for the Sera Zbu decks, what are your thoughts?
My thoughts are that of this season, this is probably the closest to the five star we're gonna get. I think it might be one of the most impactful two drops in the game. I, I don't wanna go off go crazy and just get com, you know, completely, you know, just over-exaggerate or anything like that. But I think this card might be absolutely insane.
And you're right to bring up armor and Cosm, but what I think this this card specifically does differently is that the effect is, is not it's not like mirrored. You are able to get cost reduction, they can't. So whereas with like armor and Cosmo, you can't destroy, they can't destroy, you can't un reveal, they can't un reveal triple M here says, don't worry guys. You do whatever you want. They just can't do what they want to do.
And I think that, that, that is really powerful because it, it creates a lopsided effect and. I think Jeff has shown us that some of the best two drops in the game and just the, some of the best cards in the game are the ones that can stand on their own and just provide value in any different variety of archetypes.
Like I think this card in conquest like it, I don't think it'll ever really feel that bad to play because like I. There's so many cost reduction effects, like this whole season is cost reduction. It counters Loki too. Like, let's not forget, like Loki gets impacted by this car too. I think it has the potential to be absolutely meta
shattering. It counters the whole, it counters the entire Loki it, it seasons all the new cards. It counters the locations, just golly, the ice box and heck, ice man. But then also dream dimension doll Lee. I cannot wait to not have to worry about dream dimension, right. Just that effect is gonna be legit. Just to play him down. Have him, he's three power too. It's not like a loopt cage. That was a two one when he came out, and then you just kind of felt bad playing him.
It's a two three, so you have good, good power to the result that you're getting. I. And he just single handedly shuts down. Zao. Sera, Mr. Negative you've got shocker on hi Evo Quinjet. All the cars we talked about. Miles Morales stature. Decks gone, death gone. And he is a two cost. So you can get him out early, right? That's the big thing. You can get him out early and it doesn't have to be this weird, okay? He's a three cost.
You have to have priority and then you play him, and by then can they get the card out that you're trying to stop? You can just get 'em out quickly and just put a immediate stop. Now you get 'em late. It can feel a little weird as hyped as I am for Rev. Tho these two together are the cards that. Here's the good news, and I, I was so amped to see this man. I gotta say, sometimes we give second dinner crap. These are both series four cards. And I, that to me is what was a home run, man.
'cause you can just buy these if you don't wanna go with the spotlight, you go with, this is your token buys this this month, right? You get both of 'em for the price of the season or a a series five card, right? That's kind of the way I look at it. You're gonna probably want both of them. Mobius Spotlight Week is already looking a little weak. You don't really know it. I think it's King and I don't know, we don't know the other one yet, but as of now, it's not super enticing.
Yeah. People felt it on their tokens last season where basically there were no series four cards and everything costs 6,000. Hey, listen, I don't wanna do, I'm a mathematician, but 3000 is half of 6,000. In fact, it's two for what? It's BOGO Cozy. It's BOGO this month. And so, like for me it's, it's huge value. And you know what spotlight Cashs are really expensive to get to. Redeploy players have to really save up their cash to save up their tokens.
So if you're able to say, okay, this is when I save my Cashs, spend my tokens, the strategy for that next month becomes much more clear with these series four drops, especially considering, I think these could be meta defining cards.
There's a major card I wanna talk about, but it's gonna bring us into our last subject and we can talk about her there. That has the synergy with Mobius. It's the most important thing to think about. Before we get to that though, I just wanted to bring up like, It's gonna be very interesting on how this even works. 'cause if you think of a card like she Hulk, okay, she Hulk discounts so that you can play her if you skip. Right. Cost one less energy for each unspent.
The last turn, I think though she's not getting discounted. I don't know. Right? Like, I don't know if you get her discounted. I don't think she stays at that With Mobius, it's gonna be kind of weird, right?
It's in my notes as a big question mark. Like if you're able to get, she hulked down, like if you skip turn four right? And you bring her all the way down to two cost and then you just play out your turn five like normal, does she still just remain two cost like it? Does she ever go back up? But I don't know. That's an interaction we have to test. I don't think they did a q and a on that. Like I tried to dig through it to see if there, there's an answer about she hook specifically.
'cause obviously she hook's a huge part of the meta right now. Yeah. I don't, I don't know, cozy, but you're right, it would be absolutely insane, completely broken. Borderline having to be patched.
Yeah, she does reset. So it's not like a cost, I don't know. It's gonna be, the terminology is weird, but also like, if you think about the way some of these other cards work that we've seen before you know, like cards that have ongoing effects could be a bit tricky. So I don't know. I wanna see how that whole interaction is going to work. And I think Mobius is gonna have a lot of these kind of like, What, but he will stop, she hol from going down from the opponent's deck. So we do know that.
I'm sure that's how that's gonna work. So regardless, that's nutty. That's absolutely crazy. We're gonna kind of briefly hyper speed through this last topic, 'cause we have already talked about it a lot, but is the new season, new cards on the rise? We're gonna talk about our top five cards that we think are gonna elevate. Going into next season. Now we can both say Quinjet, I think we, we've, we've talked about quinjet, right? There's one Yeah. Yeah. We talked about quinjet already.
Quinjet iss gonna be much better with these cost reduction cards coming out. Give me one though that we haven't talked about. I.
I'd like to bring up Enc Chra for a sec. Oh, okay. I think that Enc Chra is worth having a conversation about because both Mobius and Mobius. Yeah. I think that's gonna be a mistake that's gonna be happening quite frequently. Yeah. Mobius and VO are ongoing effects. And when you also consider that Enc Chra does absolutely clap. Dark Hawk Devil Dinosaur. Patriot, the list goes on. Enc Chandra is gonna be a very important tech card in this upcoming meta.
Especially if you're playing like a she not style deck and you want to get rid of that Mobius style effect, you're gonna have to have enc chara, you have to have enc chara. But I don't think Zao makes these lists. So it's entirely possible that like you're just playing a four in chara. 'cause these cards are being played out on two or three. So you're real to like confidently hit them with ENC chara. So I think ENC Chara stock
rises. I like how our brains think. 'cause you go ENC chara, which makes a lot of sense. And I immediately went like, Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join them. So I thought super score right off the bat. Right? Hey, you want those new cards? Guess what? You can't get 'em. You probably have this old lot in your collection. I mean, that's just a simple way to just steal exactly what they have going on.
And then if you're playing Azabu build where you have Zbu super scroll on three, and then you're stealing maybe some VO stuff going on, I don't know, kind of kind of crazy, the quinjet stuff going on. I think you just steal 'em instead of taking it away. But I also love that why not both have incents and or super scroll.
I think that you're constantly trying to find a reason to pull up this this variant that I think you love. Is this one of your favorite base art variants in the game? It has to be. 'cause like, I feel like every given chance you have to talk about super scroll. This thing pops
up on the screen. Oh dude, it's not me. The best super scroll variant. I mean, come on. Oh my
God. What have you done? No, I, the audio viewers have been
spared. I the pixel, pixel super scroll is what I just blessed everybody's eyes with. Yeah, I don't get to play 'em enough. And I think, again, when ongoing is the way it is, I, I just think these effects are gonna feel so good. I mean, think about when you steal Sera, you're like, oh, hot damn or Iron man. These both have that potential and these decks are built around it. That's why I do love super scroll. A lot and then all of a sudden you just have a base cost game, right baby.
It's just like, alright, let's just base cost it out. Good tech card. Give me another one. Another one that
I feel like we did discuss kind of, but the implications of wave. Oh, this is the one. It's probably insane. Yeah. This is like, I think this is probably the fastest riser. Especially if the interaction works as I think we believe it will, it's going to work. Yep. Where basically any cost, any card that's inexpensive under four will not increase in cost 'cause of Triple M, but any six costs or five will come down. So that basically means that you're guaranteed to be able to play two cards.
'cause you're gonna have a four then like whatever your two in one drops, you can still play them, right? Yep. Am I wrong in this assumption? No. So that's how I believe it's gonna play out.
This is how it's gonna work. Flat out she's the number one riser on the list. No question. Wave is back and better than ever. Mobius, what we didn't get to the, where Mobius is gonna be cracked crazy stupid, is you play Mobius on two, you can play Wave on three. All of a sudden you can cheat out a six cost card on four and your opponent cannot. It does supersede wave for your opponent, which is wild. Okay?
But if you don't wanna do that, you play Wave and Mobius on five and then your opponent can only play that one car, that kiddie pride, that even Rola. But then you can play more cards and you can fill out multiple lanes. It's like having a Jeff. But all your cars are Jeff. They break the rules, right? That's what Mobius is going to allow, and that is why he's a crack guard, why he is gonna be easily his own archetype. A five star candidate in my book. And Wave is gonna have a heyday. I
think the two that are worth mentioning as well, I think we've touched on Zola already. I think Zola's gonna have a lot of potential this season with Alyth obviously with basically all the other cards, right? Like VOA as well. But one that I think that is worth noting, especially for kind of like series three players and people just getting the game. And it's gonna be electro, I think it's gonna be a, a highlight for electro as well.
Like just like wave, like you have the opportunity to ramp things out faster, but. I think that in this given meta, you're gonna see the opportunity to use electro more reliably, especially with Lyth. I think that there's gonna be, the primary decks with lyth will have electro in it. And also, let's not forget, let's not just talk about these cards, but Dr. Doom's back too, baby. I. Dr. M's. Back. So the Odin stuff still works. Will there be a time for Sandman to Sandman ever return?
I don't know if this is a Sandman season. It doesn't feel like it, but anytime there's Sandman, there's Electro, and then there's Dr. Odin. So you got that classic combo. So I think electro might be a bit of a sleeper. Yeah. I,
so I like, again, our, our minds, you're thinking differently in the same way. Right? In Chra super scroll, you went electro and we've talked about 'em. I went Galactus. Because if you look at VOA and you have the hob goblins that are cheaper, if you look at the way that these cards are gonna work, The idea of doing a Mobius wave Galactus and they can't play a six cost card to try to beat out that same value of power. Seems nutty.
The electro, the Lia. It kind of feels like Galactus is gonna be able to be a lot better and RAMP is best. It's, it's been super awkward for two months. Ramp is best when there's two cards that do something really big and you have multiple of these options. So it's Galactus and Alioth, or Doom and Odin, or Leader Odin, all these different combos. We've seen Black Panther, Artem, Zola, now Artem, Zola, lyth. We're gonna have like more to that arsenal to build up and take advantage of.
And so you know, I'll, I'll give a flyer to Cerebro. I think that the Cerebro is actually gonna get better with these cards coming out. All I know Buddy is it's a big season ahead. And, and it's not even that it's a big season in what we thought Detroit was gonna be. The way these cards are archetype defining, but also they're countering a lot of it's gonna force snap to adjust and create some new creative decks and met us. I think these are
some of the most creative cards they've ever released. This to me seems like the most meta shaking season they've ever done. Like last, last season was pretty cool, but this one here seems like it has the most like concrete synergistic approaches towards new deck building opportunities. It's a great time to be a Marvel Snap player.
Absolutely. So again, Loki comes out tonight, get ready to have some fun and just chaos. Guys, we have Mobius, we have R, and then of course, We do have Elia and it's gonna be a good season. Now, Alex, it was great talking about these cards that are rising and definitely going crazy, but let's not forget about last season big in Japan. I feel like we need to go ahead and just break down our final thoughts on the season before we move forward into this next season.
We'd like to do this at the end of each season because, well, We go into each season trying to predict the impact of individual season pass cards, just like we did for the Loki season. And now we're back to discuss the Destroy season Daken X 23 Lady Death Strike, and of course the Silver Samurai. So we had our original takes on them, but now we've had a chance to actually play with the cards and experiment with them. So cozy, I'm gonna let you start us off here.
First of all, how do you think these cards were in general, but most importantly, what was your lowest rated car at number four?
Ooh, I didn't know we were going from four to one. I like it. Yeah, I was gonna give a one through five star rating on them too. I feel like. I think that's what I did. We can do it that way too. I was going into the season that way and it's cool to kind of like reflect back and see. But starting with Daken, the season pass card, or just in general the season as a whole. I think we mainly got it.
I feel like Daken was the only one that was like a big whiff in the sense of like thinking he was gonna be absolutely in every destroyed deck. Whereas we forgot the core concept of how tight destroy really is. Now, I will say if you don't have like X 23, he can still kind of fit into that mold. He's a much better saber tooth. I still think he's a good card. But that was the one that felt, eh, lady death strike.
You know, we know that they you know, did the forge buff to make her better than they made her better. So she's. You know, she;s what we thought she would be now. Silver Samara, I think we thought he would be slept on. I, we'll talk more about him. Let's start with Daken one through five stars. Alex, what, what would you give him? Now that you've had the full month,
I'd be willing to give him like a i'd. I'd go to four. I'm willing to give him four. Probably three and a half is where I'd be most comfortable. But he's good. I think he's good. He makes it into many lists. I think he's a natural fit and discard. I think he's a natural fit and destroy, although the destroy decks feel like they, he's cuttable because of just how tight. Those decks can be with what you wanna accomplish, but he's still good in them. There's no doubt about it. Right.
I think he's good. I think he was a good season pass
card. Yeah. I, largely agree the same, I think. Like, you know, it's interesting 'cause these season pass cards, typically they're like, must includes into the deck or they hyper enhance, like Silver Surfer Hit Monkey at the time release. Kitty Pride, like these huge enhancing cards, he just feels like a good synergistic play that just works well. Three eight ends up being his best home. Just having 'em as a three eight is awesome. Having that eight power, not worrying about the Shung Chi.
If you get Asurs lab, you get a little bit more spice added into it. I gave him a 3.75, four star. That was kind of where I gave him the same amount. And so I would agree. And I still play him a lot. I actually play him in most of those lists that you just mentioned. And his best days, I've said this about a couple best days are ahead, but he's gonna be a card that kind of can. Keep being built upon. You know, there'll
always be a place for docking a lot of decks, and anytime you're looking to add some additional discard synergy or destroy synergy, like he, he's a natural fit there. And we can't scoff at a three eight. Like, yeah, you gotta work for it a little bit, but it, it really in discard, like you don't even work that hard for it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it kind of just works. So I do like where Daken is as a whole. And it's also worth noting he didn't break the meta either.
Like, he didn't like Silver Surfer or Zabu. These cards were like soul crushing if you didn't have them. Like, if you didn't get those cards, like free to play felt horrible and I don't think Daken did that. So I think it was a nice little change of pace for free to play and how
it should be. It's how it should be. The Ghost Spider Phoenix force was a bit of a miss, but the ghost spider, this Daken and how I think Loki's gonna be where he is. Fun. He works. He's not a "Oh, you didn't buy him. So you're gonna suck this season." right? Like, no. I think it was just a natural good card that worked in an archetype that people just love to play. Right. Now after him was the release of Lady Death Strike. So naturally we can move on to her.
She's A five four now, but what are your thoughts on LDS?
You know what, I had high hopes for LDS, like it was a card that, like I thought on paper could have been really good. I tried her in like a, interesting kind of control Thanos list. I tried her in Cerebro three. Cerebro four is just awful. So I, you know what I mean? So it's like there. So anyways so the, the buff actually was a nerve from a Cerebro standpoint. I actually did enjoy the Cerebro three list for her. I thought that was the most natural fit for her.
But I Think this is probably the weakest of the bunch. This has to be the weakest of the bunch for me. Like this is like maybe reaching for two stars, in my opinion, even with the buffs like I see the potential, especially with Ravonna coming out now, 'cause Ravonna is gonna try and sneak out a lot of these cheaper cards. Maybe lead to death strike. Well, dare we say her best days are still ahead of her, but like with Ravonna, I think lady death strike could be a natural counter
play. Yeah. I Gave her a two and a half three. I gave her a two now because the meta, but I look at it just like any other card where it's like, you gotta see how things are gonna play out. And to your point, you just said the Ravonna and, or just like, Future metas we never will have a Dracula Iron Man kind of problem again, like this is just a good answer to those cards. Seven Power with Forge is dude, that's a lot of cards under anything Under Six Power Man.
You know, I think she will have a time and place there. This current time, like my 2099 is terrible because you have to play him and then you have to also have the card to move him right after that feels awkward. I don't like it her, it just makes a bit more sense. You can do the forge. And get big profit or you can just play her and now everything below three is going to die. And so I think it does make a bit of sense.
Patriot, you could get rid of these kind of annoying cards, however, it's just not her time yet. I would agree there. And she's about where I thought she would land. Next up, we do have the most anticipated of the month and we can both. Easily say the, the best of the month. But I wanna, I wanna challenge you 'cause you did not like her upon release. So kind of you weren't crazy about her. I remember people commenting like, I can't wait to see. Cozy and Alex Battle it out.
X 23. Give me the star rating and your thoughts here. So on my
initial impressions were that like, it just didn't seem to work the way I wanted it to. Like on paper I had these crazy turn five and six combos and it just didn't actually live up to that because it's like, well, I don't wanna put Chavez in a deck like this so I can draw X 23 earlier. So it was an unreliable combo piece. And then I kind of realized something. I was like, I think I'm playing the card wrong. Like why am I forcing this card to be something that it's not?
Why don't I allow it to just be a working cog in a greater destroying machine and allow it to just accelerate what I want to do anyways? So once I kind of understood that and like LDS is the same, like stop using it as like a, oh, I'm gonna Zola, I'm gonna do all this stuff. Like if you just use it as a tech card, then it makes more sense. X 23, it took that, like that little bit of like, wait a minute, that eureka moment of just do what this card's meant to do.
And it goes from a. Two and a half, three star to a four star because like you aren't, your expectations for what this card should be doing is more in line with what the card is meant to be doing in the first place. Right? I think my expectations were too high on its combo potential, and once I kind of reeled that in a little bit, I started to understand the card better and why it was a better fit and
destroy. Okay. First of all, I'd give it a 4.5 stars. I think X 23 gets into. Destroyed so beautifully. It's ridiculous. It's such a good card. I mean, the thing how it just gets things rolling. It's a, it's a great card. You're never gonna regret it if you play Destroy it, get the card done. However, you touched on something that I think could be the theme of the season. You thought it was destroyed. No, it's greed and that's not from second dinner.
People might want me to say it's more of Dawkin Silver, samurai X 23 and Lady Dust Trike. They all have one thing in common. You wanna do something super crazy with all of them. Silver Samurai, you wanna do the ghost writer Crazy. You get, you get value. And the value for l d s Crazy combo, X 23 crazy combo docking a hundred billion power, more power the better. But if you just play all of these for what they're worth, they're just good cards. They're good cards, right?
You have, you docking at eight power, you got the X 23 giving you a nest little ramp to destroy more cards more often, and you have a card that you can destroy and regenerate. Silver Samurai, we're gonna jump to in a second. You just. It just hurt their hand. You just make their hand worse. Right? And then you can maybe profit off that a little bit in the next 23. So I thought that was a very good point. And altogether, I think this was the winner.
This is the one that, you know, it didn't break the meta, but destroy is definitely a top deck in Snap now, no question. Yeah. The
thing for me that made the most sense, it's like, oh yeah, this car just makes death way easier to get to zero. Way easier. Like it's once you realize that like this is just a good destroy card, not a good combo piece. It just completely lights up what it's capable of doing. The archetype. Yeah. So I think it's important that we're critical about the cards as well. Yeah. But at the same time, it, I think that it is a very, very strong card for destroy and it makes, it makes the decks better.
It makes the archetypes better and that, that's the bottom
line. I'm glad you said that because I think there's a misconception, like like Silver Samurai, we're gonna get to him was the first time I didn't do a video the day after he came out and I played with him. Almost through the entire night. I lost so much sleep trying to make that deck appear in the morning. That just gets people crazy and it took me longer than that and I, I haven't even released yet.
'cause there's Dr. Doman, there's been a lot of personal things going on in my life, but it can be so hard to try to make a deck work overnight or card work overnight or figure out the situations overnight or expect it to be the most sexy thing in 10 hours of play. And I see this on Twitter plenty and other social medias. Just in general, just like bad takes on cards because it's like you can't judge it. You might, you could give an early impressions.
I think that's good to know, but it just takes time for these things to evolve and to really get themselves going. Jean Gray's an excellent point, man. I'm starting to see some of the better players talk about Jean Gray. Now, obviously she was good, but she didn't have that sex appeal. Not talking about her looks and play. Right away didn't jump off the page. And I think we expect some of these cards to do that, right? Mobius isn't gonna be like, whoa. It's just, he's just good.
He's a good card to play out there. And so more or less trying to get, you know, these cards to work overnight. We're not in the business of as people that may think, just like hyping up everything. It's important to be critical and honest. If a card sucks, get it out there. And what I do like about it is it wasn't working for you that night. So your message was like, I would hold off and then I, I know you've corrected that since then. You're like, okay, it's actually a pretty good card.
You wanted to make sure, which is a good
thing to do. Yeah. I think that like, well for us, like I think we have a responsibility to the community to try to be as accurate with our statements as possible, right? Yeah. Like I'm definitely trying to move away from a lot of that sensational YouTube style stuff, right? I, I think it's like, it's good to have a more balanced approach to evaluating the cards. I think we both do a very good job of that, to be honest with you. And I think that ultimately X 23.
Is gonna be the top dog of this, of this class, of this month. And it's, it's only gonna get better. Every discard card. Sorry. Destroy card. Yeah, it works in discard too, by the way, now that I just said that. Yeah. But every destroy card that comes in the future, it's gonna be calculated with, well what if we get X 23 out there early? What's it do then? Right. So I think it's in a good spot and I think it's a good time to transition into Silver Samurai.
Like, I'll be honest with you, cozy, this was one of the ones I was like, p I think we're sleeping on this one. This is gonna be an interesting one. And it kind of went.
Yeah, I think we, we have different views on it. I think I like it probably more than you do. But also it was not like, here's the sleep. You know what, hey, fantasy football, let's bring it up. There's sleepers for a reason. There's sleepers because they are cars that could be good that no one's looking at. It's sometimes they just suck. Now, silver Samara, I don't think just sucks, but maybe there was a reason. It wasn't like being freaked out about.
I genuinely think this car's just awesome for value. Just it's disruption's great. You just, you play him down. Sometimes it sucks, but you know what it's gonna get rid of. So there's no surprise factor on your end. I think it's just so much better disruption and the curve out of disruption can eliminate black bolt decks or give you more dependable plays into stature. He's a hyper booster Stature I won an infinity conquest. People waiting on the guide.
It's gonna get out there with a discard focus Silver Samurai deck. He's good. He's not like this new cog modoc in the machine thing though. I would agree. Yeah.
Like Modoc had this universal appeal for discard where Samurai is way more niche. 'cause Samurai also like has counter synergies in a, to some degree with like Dracula and morphous and like the way you have to play around his effect I think is really important. Like I moved right away from Samurai being, oh, ghost writer, this ghost writer. I'm like, you know what? Like what? A ghost writer doesn't generate enough value.
Like it's so much extra work and combo centric stuff, like move away from that and you are 100% right. The value that I see in Silver Samurai comes from that discard effect. It comes from impacting their hand, reducing their ability to play more cards like Hand Impact is a huge effect in Marvel.
Snap. Huge. And it has to be mitigated because like if you just are you, if you're able to just mill their hand out, With like Moon Night Silver Samurai and they're just like, well, I guess I top deck Chavez on turn six. Like, that feels horrible for the player. You don't want that happen to you either.
So I like the way the card is designed and I think that, I feel like we say this all the time, but I. As more cards come out and more effects are gonna be more unique to to hit with Silver Samurai, suddenly the ghostwriter plate starts to make more sense. Or now we're gonna be start countering like, oh, Rav's becoming more popular. They're stacking their hands with Zola and Ironman and all this stuff. Now suddenly Silver Samurai makes more sense.
Yep. It's hard to predict how a card like this can impact the meta until we're in it and just moving
away from metas, like X 23 Wolverines swarms, this stuff right now is like, it feels bad to hit those when the opponent has them. That it was the, that was the synergy designed with him. So other people have him, as we move away from that, it's gonna happen less and less. And just the key thing to remember, man, he will be in every discard list coming up eventually because he's a targeted discard card that will not lose its value.
And hella and reliable discard get better and better the more these that come out. And there's so few and far between. There are few. It is a powerful effect, but it's few and far between. But I think that's the best thing going from probably overall. I give silver Samura. I gave him a I gave him a three and a half, 3.75. A little less than Dawkin is kinda what I gave him overall. But I like 'em. I think I, the card's fun.
I lean towards like three, like just reaching for three on that side, right? 2.753
range. I, I thought, I thought you could be way less than that. So I'm actually pleasantly surprised that you gave him that good of a, of a rating. Let's move on to new player tips though, man. Overall I think big in Japan, fun season. Very hyped up season. Maybe didn't live up all the way to the hype, but I think that was the consensus. I'm pretty sure like we, the whole time we were just like, get X 23. I know in July, get X 23, get X 23 and then just get all the Loki cards.
We've been preaching that for a while and we kind of have landed on that ultimately. Right. Overall, let's talk about new player tips though, Alex. We got a lot of new players coming to the game. What are some of the best tips that you have for him?
It's a great question because I know that Marvel Snap seems like it's simple upfront, but once you start considering the economy, the best way to kind of build your collection, there are some tips that we think I'd be, listen, we've been playing so much Marvel Snap over the last year. It's crazy. For those of may not realize, Cozi and I have been playing since the early beta. We've played way too much Marvel Snap. So I'm gonna hit you with a tip right off the bat here and it's pretty obvious.
For most players, but if you're new, it's a total trap. Cozy, what do you think about the fast upgrade option in the shop?
Whoa. Avoid pass. It's the worst. Get
outta there. I can't believe it's still there. It is one of the biggest new player traps into the game. Basically you just, you're paying for boosters. Cozy. Do you have a problem collecting boosters?
Never, dude. And if it, if I do, they already got rid of that. Of, of, if you really want to, you know, get your wolverine up and you need to get a couple, you can do it in the menu here, but either way. When you're starting out, you just have no need. There's just don't do it. There's no need, no boosters are free. You get it by plane.
Credits are so damn valuable. And like if you're looking to upgrade a card, right? Don't use that. Okay. Just so you guys know, the way that you actually get boosters is based on a weighting. Each individual card gets any card that can be upgraded, right? Like you're holding more boosters and you're just not upgraded them. They get a reduced reliance on getting additional boosters. So let's say you want to Wol, get that Wolverine up.
You just gotta make sure you keep upgrading that wolverine so that there's, there's no boosters left over and like you're waiting for more to get 'em upgraded and he'll get a higher weight at the end of a game. When you are ac actually collecting your boosters, do not waste your money on the fast upgrade option. It's like one of the biggest traps in Marvel Snap. You're gonna have so many boosters, you won't know what to do with them, but you'll never have enough credits. Yeah,
and I, the, the next step I'd go into that, and this is just good resourceful stuff, is missions now with missions, the thing to do about 'em. Especially starting out, they force you to play with different things in different play styles, and I think that's really good, right? You're getting your resources. The first thing you should be doing, I mean, have some fun with it, but you know, the credits and stuff that you get from those are just not to be overlooked.
You get a massive amount of stuff of 'em. So when you need to play two cost cards and win with this and X, just make a deck that kind of fits your play style and then target that. It'll maybe not be the exact discard deck that you want to play. Or maybe you're just wrecking with Chads at the Zoo, zoo deck style stuff, but they need you to play six cost cards, like experiment. I, I definitely make sure you take advantage of the missions.
I, I feel repeating saying that, but it's, it's, dude, it's so important. It's like I do that still and I've been playing a year.
You know, I love that point 'cause it's one of my next tips and it's, don't worry about the meta. Okay. Now both cozy and I do very meta centric guides. You know, we, we do a lot of stuff based on top tier decks and stuff along those lines. And you'll, you'll see series five credits. 'cause we're trying to craft the best decks. Right. We, we, that's what our goal is. If you're relatively new to the game, it's a, it's like a folly to try and design those decks right off the bat.
Like you, you just can't. It's the way the, the collection system works. So instead of getting frustrated that you can't build, you know, the, this month or this week's most broken deck that everyone's talking about, take that time to actually just craft and build your deck, building experience. Build on your expertise of crafting new decks with the cars that you unlock in the collection track. Now, cozy, tell me if you could. Go back in time.
What was that feeling like when you were playing early Marvel Snap and you're unlocking new cards nearly constantly, getting that magneto for the first time, pulling that Wong out of a collector's reserve. Do you remember that feeling? How amazing it
was? Wong and Mystique came last. It was a dark feeling, but yes, I missed that feeling almost. Because of it. It was like I was always trying something different, which is, there's two styles to play. Get really good with one deck or get excited and try to fit the car that you just got into the deck that you have. It's fun, man. It's truly the amount of cards you get. I'm pretty sure it's like, you know, you get like, 50% of the cards unlocked in the game in the first like little bit.
Then it's like 40, 30. Then like you get three to four cards a month once you're all the way in to enjoy that renaissance of what the beginning of the game is. It's so fun and something worth
noting as well is some of the absolute best cards in Marvel Snap are the ones you get right away. Like Ironman, you literally start with Chavez. You unlock in like your first whatever kind of round of unlocks and stuff like that. These are absolutely incredible cards. Some of the foundations of what Marvel Snap is even today in the most competitive metas begin in those pool one, in the series one and the those starter cards.
Okay, yeah, you're gonna have some garbage, like quick quicksilver and stuff like that, but there's seriously a ton of bangers do not sleep on the effectiveness of those cards at a competitive level.
And a lot of my advice is gonna come via cars, and we're gonna talk about that in the pull three coming up. But one of the biggest ones I've learned, the thing that transitioned me from being like person that played casually to being good at the game, or at least I think I am at that times I'm pretty bad, but is remembering how you lose now. Snapping, snapping, snapping. We can talk about that a million times.
And learning how to snap and when to snap is the most essential thing you can learn, period. That, that that's what it is. But. Remembering how you lose is something so important early on, right? Because people are gonna be playing and adjusting as you play. So you're gonna be playing people in the same field as you pool one, then pool two, and then it gets hard at pool three. But let's say you lost to that devil dinosaur played on the end of the game.
Maybe they played a couple sentinels, or they got an or an abola into devil dinosaur, and you never seen that before. You're like, what the hell just happened to me? It's important to remember how you lose so that you know, and you kind of put it in the database. You'd be surprised how much you remembered what you lose by. And you're starting to see similar.
You don't have to memorize every deck in the world, but just remember a couple things of like, wait a second, that guy just played a Cosmo and his, he was going before me on turn six. I was gonna play Odin. I lost. Just expect that that could happen. Start looking at the glowing name a little bit more and paying attention to these things. That is like the biggest thing that I took away and learned, and it built on me becoming like a better player.
That is, it's absolutely huge. It's some of the best advice I've ever heard because like yeah, learning to identify specific play patterns that can then allow you to be predictive in what your opponent's gonna do is huge. That experience profile. Is massive. In fact like chess players, world-class chess players, right? They're not necessarily playing reactive to a board state. They see a board state and they know what the next play pattern is, and that's how they play their game, right?
So as a Marvel Snap player, if you see certain things, like if they play surey, I. Cozy and I are thinking, well, it's gonna be red scholar vision. It's gonna be like, we're, we're able to plan ahead. We know what their turns look like. And if you're a new player, that's hard, right? You don't even know what half these cards do all the time, right? Yeah. So start building that experience profile, right?
And really learning from those losses help you to identify how you can, you know counteract those losses or be predictive in the future, even if it's a retreat. Even if it's, oh, I know what they're gonna do next and I can't beat it. Yeah, that's when you walk away. Right. So I think there's a lot of value in learning that cozy. Absolutely. Fantastic point. I love that.
Getting into the monetary side, we've we've talked about a couple things with regards to like missions and things along those lines, but I just wanna talk about the season paths. If you were gonna spend money in Marvel Snap, the season pass probably represents one of the best value propositions in the game. We've talked about in the past it could be better, but at the end of the day for what you're paying, you do get a lot in credits.
You do get a lot in obviously the season pass card itself, which if you kind of extrapolate the token value of like unlocking a. Series five card or whatever it might be, is very expensive. So the nine bucks or whatever it is in your localized currency in terms of money, is generally well spent on the season
pass. Yeah. I, if you're listening to a YouTube video about the game and you're playing more than a couple hours a day or like at times, it's more than a casual, you pick it up. Is it worth $10 to you a month? That's just kind of what you have to ask. And then you don't, you're not like subscribed to it, so you don't have to do it. Right. But if is the entertainment value worth that you know, is skipping to McDonald's, whatever, it's, I don't know, like that's up for you to decide.
But for me, if I'm playing something even remotely, more than an hour or whatever, and I'm watching YouTube videos and I care about the game and then you cut all this stuff, like it makes sense. Like it is just a good value at that point, right? Don't get sucked into always having to buy it, but it is a good value at that. And so that is a, a good overall point. Alex, I think the last thing I have with this, and I'm glad that you brought that up, is remember that SNAP is a game of momentum too.
I think it's important to know that I could go into the specifics of location advantages and knowing this and knowing that, and. But at the end of the day, like momentum matters. It's like football momentum matters and momentum is gonna get you the win.
A lot of the times, if you have a couple cards out early and you have your key combos, or if you have locations that look really good to you and you know your opponent's not gonna get that same advantage like a double reveal location, that's when you're snapping. That's when you know you're gonna win, and you want your confidence to go up. And so learning not only how you lost, but also learning when you're gaining this momentum. Super
important. That's a great point, right? And I think it's easy to forget that that element of marvel snap the momentum element. And usually you wanna snap when you're gaining that momentum, when you've established that lead that maybe your opponent has not recognized. Right? That's usually when you wanna snap, when you're, when you're ahead, when your opponent doesn't realize you're ahead.
I. That. And when you're able to identify the momentum, you're able to make those decisions very confidently. The last thing I'll say, the last point, and this is one that just has to be said, what you wanna do is you want to collect more cards, okay? Continuously use your credits, continuously, upgrade your cards, continuously push your collection level to the next level. You want to keep pushing it, you wanna keep pushing it, and what are the ways you can do that?
Just upgrade all your common cards to one common, it's actually half the cost per collection level to take a gray bordered card to a uncommon than it is to do any other upgrade at all. So when I was starting, I remember even making a deck code. Did you do this when you made a deck of all just uncommon cards just to collect the boosters, to rank them up, right. Even if you lost games, it didn't matter, right? Build your collection. Do not save credits. Okay?
You wanna just keep building your collection, collect more cards, don't worry about the ranks and all that stuff. Play the game, build your collection. You're gonna have the most
fun that way. Absolutely, buddy. Shall we talk about cards? Super important. I think there's cards that we'll gear now towards probably the once you've entered the kind of middle ground of Marvel Snap, you enter Pool three. There are cards in pool three. This is how I ranked 'em. It says Top 10 when we go and look at our subjects here, I'll pull 'em up. You see these cards? Or you unlock these cards. You just entered a whole new world baby of Marvel Snap.
And this is where it can get difficult if you don't have 'em. But it's important to identify, you know, okay, you get crossbones. Cool. Keep playing. Okay. You get you know venom. Keep playing. Wait a second. Hold on. What does that venom do? Whatever. Right? Let's talk about our top 10 cards in.
Marvel Snap where the pool three players are entering pool three or just impactful wise, certainly not like independent scale is what I was going, but but also just their, their, their weight all together, bud. And at number 10, what do you wanna kick us off with? Alex? I'm, I'm, I'm interested to hear yours at
number 10. I like lockjaw because I think that it opens up a whole new archetype. It's it's a fun card to play with and naturally like WASP and other Pull three cards do make it better. But you still have access to night crawlers. You still have access to Ice Man that does the job. If you wanna start cycling things, I just like the idea of lockjaw opening up a whole new archetype for players. And then if you unlock Lady Jane Foster, then you've got yourself an absolute banger deck.
'cause a lot of the cards that you can just slot right in, like Hulks and stuff like that. You got a lot of big pieces right off the bat. Right? Yeah. So I do like lockjaw at number 10 for pool, three cards for relatively new players. It's funny
cause this whole list, like they're all good. My, my 10 are all 10. Like they're all one, they're all good. They're just good cards to have 'cause they do something different. The way I was trying to think about this is if you get this card by itself, it's not that great, but also there's cards that supersede that. 'cause they're gonna have synergy. So even though this is a better card than this this is where I have brood at number 10.
Just because Brood is a card that you just need one other card and they're on my list that just help boost this thing to the next level. Brood is just good value. Brood gets you into a desk domain in these hard locations. Just a card that you can celebrate when you get, 'cause it immediately puts you in another tier of some good combo possibilities and or just a good play.
I didn't include brood, but I like the call because like brood really does amplify several of the archetypes and the cards I'm sure we're gonna be talking about. 'cause there's some I near the top of our list. I think there's a couple cards that really like brood. So I think it's a good inclusion, cozy. And number nine, I'm gonna go with Venom. I. Simply because Venom is like an a destroy defining card. Now Destroy does get better with death. Who's not on my list?
A null that's not on my list and not even a pull three card. Now that, not that I'm saying it out loud, but I think that Venom is so archetype defining that it represents like an absolutely fantastic card. I think that at number nine, venom is a good slot there. If you unlock Venom early, You got, you got an archetype you can turn to, to absolutely do damage. Yeah.
Venom. It, it is tough because there's cards like Dracula or discard stuff and I'm like, you need other cogs. Venom is so good. You know, death, Deadpool, I don't even need solar kind of. But here's the thing. This is what I'm talking about guys, is identify the cards you have. If you even have two of these things to start making them work together, that's your deck baby. Go run it, run it proud. Hopefully you'll like it. But yeah, I definitely agree there.
Another card that I have or at coming in at number nine, let's just talk good stats. Good value is she, Hulk and I kind of often forget that she is in pull three, discounted good value. You can plug her into decks. Very simple to understand how she works. Never feels bad to have it on a draw. SHEO is just a good card and one that I love for new pool. Three players.
Number nine, cozy. This, this is your, this is my carnage from last week. You really throwing she elk at
number nine? Yeah, I have just the stuff above it. I love what they do more, but she great. Yeah.
Oh man. Okay. Well this, this list is getting spicier by the moment at number eight. This is a card that I think people often forget. It's series three, and again, it's one that like, all these will benefit from additional cards being unlocked, but I think Surey needs a call out here. Like Surey is such a good card. What it does, like even for just vision, honestly, if you're a new player, you have vision because that's a pool two card, right? You have vision, Surey is an absolute banger.
I mean, there is no card on Marvel SAP that just straight up doubles the next card's power. Like you gotta work hard for docking to do that. But Surey is just such a natural fit in so many decks. And even like the least expensive meta decks in like Sheri Sauron, for instance, that has no series four or five cards. It's just an absolute banger. So I think sure, he needs some love on this list. I'll talk
about her in a bit, but definitely, and, and, and for her, to me it's like, well that's just gives you a full deck to run off and go. She'll doesn't do that. That's why I have, she'll like lower in my eyes, like I'm trying to look at the ones that like, just give you this like, When you have these and your opponent doesn't, they're done like, they're so screwed. And that Sherry man, whew, hot. I love it. I've got Mystique Next. And Mystique was one that has kind of fallen off.
I actually had her I didn't even say her on my, on the Rise cards, but I think she's on the rise 'cause she's being left off list now. I think she's gonna be entering back into those lists. But the immediate impact of having either Iron Man or Devil Dinosaur being able to be copied with her is. Such a good early play. And then obviously cards we're gonna talk about in a moment. Don't forget mystique. She's not in the best top medex right now. Don't forget Mystique.
Such a good card to get off and rolling. It was my last card I unlocked in poultry.
That's so sad. I think it was a late unlock for me as well. And I'll be bringing her up a little later. I like it. Okay. To say number seven, cozy. The newly buffed. Dr. Doom, he's back and it comes in at seven for me. Could have been higher, could have been higher, but right now we're still seeing a lot of Professor X. We're still seeing a lot of control. I think it's a good spot for him to make a comeback here.
So I'm a conservative seven, but this is a kind of card that like, you know what, cozy, it could almost be like top three for new players. 'cause like, what's a deck that you don't want to put Dr. Din you, you just wanna put 'em everywhere. Right. Especially if like, you're like Alex, I, I, it's my free card of the month. What do I, what do I do? What do I do? Dr. Mann's never a bad
choice. Yeah. And that's what I was trying to do. I was trying to look at and, and it was fun to go back, like you have to remember these new players that they're going up against don't have these cards either. Like Pro, pro X. Yes. But they don't have Daredevil, they don't have Jeff. So they're not playing Pro X, maybe not as much. Right. That's how I viewed it at least. And it was tough because it is like, is it, you look at these cars, it's hard to put them in a vacuum per se.
Doom or get, I, I, I definitely had thoughts on Doom. This is where I'm surey, but to your point, Just the fact that you have vision that you just can play on Sherry. You. There's more than that. I can name a lot more just big cards. You play 'em on there. But vision and having that access. If you had Sherry as one of your first polls, dude, just good night. It's so good.
Like I can't even believe having something like Sherry to your power that early on, the opponent isn't gonna have a lot that they can do to match that. And you don't need a lot of reliance on other unlocks to just get that cog, get that craziness working.
Oh, I agree. Absolutely. And I, you know what, I agree with your, please. I can see Sheri rising higher, like it is such a clean card. And I You're right. You, you go unlock Sheri early. You're running, you're jogging. You're sprinted with a smile on your face to infinite because it's such a great combo piece 'cause it's really not that expensive. It's one of the cheapest top tier cards in Marvel Snap. Moving to number six, cozy.
This is where I had mystique for all the reasons why you said voa coming out. There's a lot of, a lot of potential synergy. Obviously it works extremely well with Devil Dinosaur, which you get in. Pool One carries you through Pool two Mystique. As Cozi said, don't sleep on mystique. Who do you have
at six now? They work in different ways. I put 'em together 'cause why not is a electro and wave together. So I think they just both. Give you ramp and ramp. Doesn't need anything other than these cards. Having them both is, makes it a lot more dependable, but immediately, like electro lets you play a whole different deck. Wave lets you play a whole different deck. And so either of them for me are in the salon. You're crazy
dude. I literally have wave at my number five. So wave's my next one too. And I actually think that wave's having a renaissance originally, it's crazy 'cause wave was like top tier for a while. Absolutely. Top tier with death, wave, all that kind of stuff. And then the nerfs happened to cha, I don't wanna say nerfs, it just got changed. It just got changed. And then one of the reasons why I really like Wave is 'cause like it counteracts the Chinon stuff.
They, they try to skip turn six, you play Wave on turn six, you just laugh your ass off. 'cause now they just can't do anything. Right? Or they can, they can still drop their infin off, but whatever. I digress. But at the end of the day, like Wave is still a really good card and with Morbids coming out that Triple m s, again, I did it again. Triple M I don't keep calling Triple m I like that. Kinda like it reminds me of like wrestling Triple H, remember Triple H? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course mq.
Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of picture that right? But anyways, I think that wave's gonna have a major comeback in this upcoming season, especially if the interaction with Triple M is as broken as I think it's gonna be for
sure, man. Going into pull three, dude, number five, I got Magneto. Now Magneto as a card is one of the best in the game at the moment. But going into pull three, you don't have the dark hawks, you don't have these things that you're gonna run into as much. So Magneto's just a good power play that also can counter some of the stuff that you see early and often. And man, like, dude, if you get Sherry and Magneto. You win, you, you're gonna have a, just a breeze of a time.
'cause you could just have a 24 power card that also disrupts and then just like concentrate on one other lane and you win. Right? Magneto obviously better in the, in the sense of pull three cards, but I've got 'em here as far as new
player and I got 'em there at number four. So literally like a stepping stone. Here we go. From your magneto at five to my magneto at four. For all the reasons you said. I think the thing that can't be slept on with Magneto, especially as a relatively new player to Marvel Snap, is that it's impacting three lanes and that's rare in the game. Right? It's what Dr. Doom does. Right. Which I assuming is coming up for cozy eventually, unless we're up for a surprise.
But Dr. Doom Magneto, these are strong cards 'cause they impact multiple lanes with your big turn six play. I love Magneto, so I agree. For me it's number four.
What was your, what was your five again? My five was wave. Oh, that's right. Okay. Going up at number four. That's Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer. Man, you do need some other three cups to make it start popping. You need the juggernaut. You need the brood. Okay. You need some other ones. The good thing is there're three co, you're gonna get a bunch of 'em. You don't need like one type of card, you just need three cost cards.
And there's already some really good ones that are in your bucket like storm, right? And if you don't have 'em right away, you also just have good pull one and two cards. In fact, I'm gonna be straight up honest, I'd even look at this list, but I could just tell you I, it's crazy that I know what is Pull one and pull two, like right off the bat. The fact that a ho Buster can just be played down now is kind of fun.
But if you look at the cards here, A good chunk of them are going to need to have other pool three unlocks. I think Why I like 'em so much though. That A, you can form a deck and then B, you just have such a wide net to capture a lot of three cost cards. But dude, Bishop Wolf, Spain, you, you got options.
Yeah, Nova Killmonger is a huge one too. 'cause you have those cards right and it completely shuts down an entire archetype that you're probably gonna still be facing off against. Right? If you want lock Silver Surfer early, you're probably still gonna see some like zoo style game playing. Like you just laugh. You just laugh with the, the deck you have and storm's a great call out. I love this pick in fact that I can't believe we're doing this again.
It's my number three, so I'm just, I'm just like one ahead of you on every single. So who's your four? Who's your four then? My four was Magneto. Oh, okay. Okay. Then yeah, we did Wave Magneto and silver Surfer's. My three. So I'm literally just one ahead of you for all the reasons. And literally Silver Surfer is one of my favorite archetypes of Marvel Snap. It's the one I turn to when I want to play for fun. And the thing I really like about it is exactly what Cozy said.
You're gonna be unlocking three costs. All the time. And even if you don't have the juggernaut, you still have storm. You could, you, you could play Jessica Jones, you could storm Jessica Jones. You're still given the extra two power at the end there. I think there's so much to Loveville Silver Surfer. It's just such a great card. If it's like one of your free unlocks for the month, I, you, you swipe that up right away. Silver Surfer is an absolute beauty. Cozy. What's your three? There he
is. Dr. Do, coming in on number three, I can't imagine getting this as one of your first cards right now. Like just like. How do you compete with five across just like as this ultimate like done kind of deal you, you get a good five cost card, maybe even just make a Devil Dino deck and then you just have this as your closer. Like he's just such an impactful card early on. I the decks that can go up against it, I just don't think can match it.
They need more combos, they need more stuff going forward and if you just get like a Wong or Absorb absorbing man or even a wave, then you can then ode in this Doctor Doom. There's ways to abuse them even more. He just feels like such a good card and would be probably like my number one pick as far as versatility goes for new players in the game. No question.
And I love the fact that you're talking about like, you know, if, if you unlock electrode early or you use Wave to get the doom mode and combo Sandman is pool too, right? So Sandman into to Dr. Doom's fantastic. 'cause you're able to attack three liens simultaneously while you're point of can't. And way I would play that is usually I do something like an Ebony MA with Sandman.
Yep. So you have like seven powers that they can't really attack effectively and you still add to it with Dr. Duma again, all series. One in two cards. Right? So I love the call out on Dr. Doom and I look at my list, I'm like, yeah, he could have risen, but like to rise past, mystique wave in this upcoming bat. It's hard to say, but like, I like the call. It's, you know what, I, I kind of agree. Doom probably should have been higher for me.
'cause it's just, it's so evergreen, especially with the new
buff. I think the way you were looking at it though is like, oh well Professor X. But yeah, it's just like no one's gonna play with Jeff and David. They don't have those. It's, it's tough to put yourself back sometimes. And I, I totally get that. What did you have at three?
Three was silver surfer. Okay. But number two is where, this is the big disagreement for me and this is, this is where I have she Hulk because I feel like she Hulk works so damn well. I think she hulk's an absolute banger card, especially since in pool two you're gonna have access to armor sunspot, right? Like you're gonna have that like infant not style gameplay.
And even if you're not, like if you don't have magic and you can't go like the turn six, skip or whatever, you're often able to utilize that sunspot energy to create value for a a she elk that you play on. Four, five, whatever it is, in conjunction with other cards. So I do think that she, Hulk is a fantastic card. It's meta relevant right now to the 10th degree. It's crazy. Again, triple M says hello, but I, I do think that she, Hulk is a very confident selection for pool three
players. Yeah, it's great card man. For sure. And having the, you already know the sun spot and finac com was so well coming outta pool two. So I I, great point there. I am gonna hold my breath. It's number one. Here's the thing. I haven't said my two, and that means you've left off one of my one and twos, and as always, I'm gonna be taken back. Good, sir, I'm the one of these, I'm gonna take a breath forward. Number two for me. Number one's obvious.
Number two, it it's, it is Sera and I, I hope to God, I don't know how you left either of these off your lists. I'm gonna be interested. Sera is Sera. Sera is so good. And having Sera early just with Sentinel and having it with Angela and having it with Bishop. You don't need anything else. You have the Enchanters, the Shung Chi. You have all these pulled two cars that work in harmony. Sera will always be one of my favorite cards in Marvel Snap. It's one that I return to.
You don't need dark cock. You don't need anything to make it work. In fact, if you go look at the basic list, you can look at one and filter out any pool four and five card, and you still have top decks with her. Sera's number two.
Triple M scared me away. Straight up. I did not include Sera on my list because I was sc I was scared of Triple
M. She hooks the same thing. She hulk you can, you can't play. She hook down. Very valid
call. Very valid Call. She, Hulk is in the same spot. I, I have no argument against Zi. I have no argument. So, okay. Sera was originally on my list. I'm like, no. More like Mobius is gonna absolutely just decimate these decks potentially. So that's what kind of cooled me off, Sera. Okay. Plus I was like Sera plus silver surfers the kind of combo. But you are right. Especially with sentinels and everything like it is, it is a absolute banger card. So,
so we can all agree. Best card by far. You get this thing in your first five poles. Congratulations. You have a deck for the rest of Marvel. Snap. I, Alex. There's no way. You didn't put it Patriot, number
one, it's the Patriot. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Patriot's the number one for sure. For sure. Easily. Easily. Yeah. Patriot's an absolute God to your card. And the thing I love about it's, you already have all the cards anyway. In fact, there are probably so many new players out there that like, why would I ever play Misty night when I can play Iceman? Like they, you don't even know Patriot exists. And you're like, why does Misty Night suck so bad? Why is the thing suck so bad? I don't get it.
Cyclops is terrible, and I totally understand why you feel that way, because they just don't make sense until Patriot. And then like, then there's the extension of that. It doesn't make, even, makes even more sense when you start to get into high evolutionary, which is a whole other conversation. But Patriot is an absolutely incredible card and it works wonderfully with the brood that Cozy had suggested as well. It just is a it, this is the archetype that never goes away.
It's never quite number one. Actually, I shouldn't even say that. It's number one right now. What the heck am I even talking about? But like it, it's never gone away. It's always been consistent, even when it's not the absolute shining star, it's still consistently one of the best win rate decks in the game. Always hovering well above mid fifties percentile range. It's just a God tier
card there. This is the card that you just need one other baby to get it going, man. If you get old Tron, if you get Dr. Doom or if you get mystique, congratulations, you got the whole deck down. Any of those are gonna work to build it. And then before that, you can just do onslaught on Patriot and you can still have this kind of crazy boost in power man.
With that, our top 10. It was an absolutely fantastic discussion. As always, guys, thank you so much for all of your support. It means the world to both cozy and I. If you're new to Marvel Snap, welcome to this absolutely fantastic game, and welcome to the Snapchat.
Alex, another great episode buddy, and until next time, as always, Happy snapping.