What's going on guys and welcome back. Happy October. It's spooky season. And tonight we've got Elsa Bloodstone as the new season pass card to kick off the month. We're going to be breaking her down and all the combos. And is she worth going after? We're also going to be breaking down all of the new October cards in Man Thing, Black Knight, Nico, Minoru, and Werewolf by Night.
How are they going to fit into Marvel Snap, their combos, the decks we see them in, and which ones are going to be worth going after, and as tradition calls, we're going to be talking about cards on the rise, heading into October and the new season. Which of your old cards are going to get a heck of a lot better? We're going to be talking about all that today, more on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Alex, happy spooky season, happy October.
How we doing, man? We had ourselves the Infinity Week, Mobius Week, OTA. What's going on?
There's a lot going on actually Cozy. It's been a wild week of Marvel snap I mean Mobius has had a tremendous impact on the meta. Can't wait to talk about it on the podcast and Generally speaking like it has been a completely different experience playing Marvel snap this past week And that's what happens when you release a really notable tech card that completely shakes things up So, I mean with the new cards coming out, it's a spooky time to be a Marvel snap player
Yeah, the OTA was nothing crazy, right? We had like a lot of nerfs We had what two buffs ever Pretty much, like, they were just worthless. But, we have ourselves the content patch coming out on Tuesday, which is what I think is gonna bring a lot of the buffs. The nerfs definitely affected some of the meta, in a way, in some of the decks and how they were played. And Infinity Conquest, I kind of saw, like, it's a lot of high evo out there right now. Obviously Loki has his presence.
And then there's like, droplets of other little archetypes, if you will. And I think this season is going to kind of highlight those archetypes, and not the ones that are already doing good.
Absolutely. And I think that's one of the cool things that they've been doing really well with snap is like the months seem to be targeting specific types of archetypes and giving key pieces to archetypes that needed some love, right? And we've talked about that in the past where, you know, like for instance, ghost spider was essential for move even potentially being relevant, right? We had like seasons where you have archetypes up, but then it just nothing really happens.
It kind of just fizzles, right? But I do think that Secondary is doing a good job of introducing key cards to key archetypes to make the game exciting. Cause I mean, hey listen, some cards are maybe coming a little too hot, but, but at times, it has been exciting.
Yeah, I mean, let's start with news of the week, right, cause we're gonna jump into the subjects, but number one, if you don't know by now, new releases are finally not happening, which I don't know why this took so long, I think it took longer than it should have. But new releases will now be kind of midday, instead of at, what is my time, 8pm California time. It's coming out noon California, so they're rolling it, what, back 8 hours? Or would it be forward 8 hours? Or whatever.
All I know is that it's not 11 PM my time, which is what it was when I was like streaming and stuff like that. I'm like, Hey, I'm going to bed at 4 30 AM today. Like it's like, you know, but I like to change, but I think the key thing here is that now they have staff ready and available when like, say a kiddie pride problem happens or there's a bug and they need to be reactive. Cause there's times where like, it's a live service game. Game dev is hard.
There's going to be times where they need those people in shop to like fix a problem on release. And when it was 11 PM at night, like the, I mean, people got to sleep too. Right. So I think that this is really good from the live service component of the game. So I think it's a great change.
Yeah. So this season is going to be the typical time. It's going to be coming out when you guys watch this about 14 hours ish from when this is launched. However, I think it'll be biggest for the next season pass. Like, having season start, like, in the daytime is really cool, number one. But number two, I think the data on new cards are gonna get even more accurate. So, like, me and you testing till 4 a. m. some of these cards that are coming out.
Like, the pool of players we're going up against and, or, like, just the regular snap data is not really, like efficient. I don't know. It's, it's gonna be a lot better, I think, overall. But dude, we've got ourselves the lengthy podcast of breaking down the October season. Are you a, are you an October guy? Like, do you like squirky season?
I like October. I like fall. I think we've talked about me liking leaves before.
Well, the leaves, do you like, like the man thing in the middle here, do you like, like, are you a scary movie guy?
No, I'm not a scary movie guy. Not at all. I'm definitely like a Disney... Like, I literally watch Disney movies with my kids. Like, one of my favorites, Moana. I watch that very often. That's the kind of movie I like. There's this one scene where like, there's this like, it's almost like the water kind of splits and this turtle goes across. Anybody in the comment section knows, it's like so beautiful. It's one of the most beautiful scenes in all of movies.
I could watch that over and over again.
Have you seen Pixar's The Exorcist before? Check it out. It's by Pixar.
By Pixar? The Pixar Exorcist? I mean, I've heard of the Exorcist. Is that when like when Mickey Mouse is hanging against the ceiling and being like scraped across the ceiling?
Yeah, yeah. Go ahead and just go just type in the Exorcist and just watch it. I swear it's by Pixar. You're gonna love it. This season I feel like is gonna have a lot of cards and characters that like people don't know. And so you know, we're gonna be breaking all those down here on this side today. But what are we talking about on your side of the channel and the snapchat?
One of my favorite topics is going to be our discussion about our final rankings for September cards I mean we try to be predictive with how we think those cards are going to shake up in the meta and now we get to look back and see Just how right and wrong we were We'll also be talking about the October spotlight caches, which I think is a very important conversation because if you want to be utilizing your resources effectively, you're going to want to make sure you listen in on what your best
caches are going to be. And then finally, we're going to talk about series drops a wishlist and discussion. Yeah, that's going to be a little a little irksome for some, but yeah, we're gonna be discussing series drops where they are, where we hope they'll be, and perhaps what might just drop if it happens.
Let's go to break down the card coming out tonight. The new season pass card in Elsa. And believe it or not, I think there's way more to break down than I first kind of thought. Elsa is a very cool car. She's got a lot of interactions and I think she's going to be. Pretty important in Snap, so we're gonna rate her and her usefulness in Snap. Combos, cards, things like that, and just break her down all together.
Now, if you don't know what she does, guys, she's a 2 2, and she's gonna have the ability. It's not ongoing. They had that in the trailer. If you play another card to fill a location... You're going to give it plus three power, Alex. Initial impressions.
The way that I looked at this when I first saw this card, I was like, Hmm, we know Glenn's at the helm. We know that season pass cards try to be innovative. Like, even if you think about Nimrod coming in a little weak, and Phoenix Force, which you've somehow already brought up twice now. Like, those are at least innovative cards. Elsa is exactly that. And I think that this card is probably going to be stronger than maybe first impressions might give it.
And I think it's also really interesting that it's not the card itself that gets massive. It's not Dak and that's like, look at me get jacked. Right. It's Elsa spreading the love like a good old quarterback. And let's say Tom Brady, just spreading the love to different receivers for those touchdown passes. That's exactly what else is going to be doing spreading the love.
Dude, yeah, she's gonna be in contention with Arrow over there as a card I love too. Else it's just a cool character all together. So, yeah, she kind of reminds me of, like, Nebula's season pass card. Like, I think that she's not gonna be, like, transcendent as far as like, Hey, it's, she's a cool balance. She's different than what we've seen before, and I think she's gonna be really good. So we're gonna break down kind of the cards that we see fitting with her.
And I want to start first of all with that ability. Now, this is important to know, it's going to be very late in its activation. Essentially, I think he described it kind of like Hawkeye. So great example to kick us off, just so we know, Alex, what we're talking about here, and the viewers and the listeners know, is essentially... If you play Shuri down, right, and then you fill that with a vision, the vision is not going to get Elsa's bonus and then get doubled.
It's gonna double, then get Elsa's bonus. So, like, that's important context, I think, for the how she's going to work. She needs to be active, so she needs to be on the board to see it, and she can be played same turn. So, those are the little interactions. That matter, obviously, a ton. Like, for instance, just to start, like, Lady Deathstrike, I don't think is gonna work here. Where you would give her that power, and then she destroys everything. I'm pretty sure...
It'll be coming after the fact. So that's something to know before we head into... Card Synergy. Alex, we've got a lot of decks right now, I would say a good chunk of them, that like to fake fill paths and locations, and there's kind of a couple areas where I see her being really useful but to start out, man, listen, a 2 5 Yeah. Even though she's not a 2 5, but theoretically, she's putting out 2 5 value.
I mean, we praise those all day, and the fact that that can get to 2 8, 2 11, and then some, there's no doubt about it. Else, it's gonna be a good card.
My man counting by threes. Yeah, it's gonna be powerful, right? And it's like, one of those situations where I like the idea that...
Elsa itself, you're gonna see it on the board turn two, and you're like, that card's gonna be a problem for me, but it's not that card, it's every other card that comes after, and so like, does it dodge Shang Chi effectively, because what are you gonna be buffing, that's gonna go above nine power, right, so like, you're gonna be able to do this like, new zoo style like, power fluctuation, where like, Shang Chi's not gonna be able to do much, obviously there's gonna be room for Shadow King, which
is notable in as a two drop now, but I like Elsa Bloodstone. I think we need to start with the most obvious synergy that I think people are really going to target. Can we talk about Kitty Pryde? And she probably took a stray bullet because of Elsa Bloodstone coming out. So I think we have to start the discussion here.
Yeah. You know, it's funny. Sometimes I feel like Second Dater needs to release information before they release. The information like there was no reason why the kitty nerf should have happened without the maybe the trailer coming out so that people knew Oh, that is why kitty pride went down to power points yeah, so this is the obvious one for sure. I think this is the one that people are going to look to.
We already have like, competitive, or was competitive, kind of these Sherry Kitty Pride Taskmaster decks. I think that's going to be kind of back in action again. Plus three on Kitty Pride that could just keep on filling the lane. It's good, man. It's really good.
It's really, really good. It's super good. It's, you gotta nerf this preemptively good. Naturally, of course, it's gonna depend on draw. But Kitty Pride benefits so many other cards, right? Like, if you have Angela sitting underneath, like, you're not only getting the plus three on Kitty Pride, you're getting the plus two on Angela, so you got that, like, boom, boom, boom. There is so much being generated here, right? But... It does take Kitty pride out of a lot of other decks, right?
But naturally, and here's the thing though, Kitty pride was released to pretty much everyone that was playing actively at the time. So this is going to be an immediate synergy between the season pass card and a card that's although series five going to be in most people's hands.
So I think a lot of people are going to be able to participate in this meta and I think the meta share is going to be really crazy, which kind of makes me nervous about like what Twitter is going to look like when Elsa bloodstone comes out. But Kitty pride is definitely a winner here. Cause I mean, the synergies. Unmistakable.
What does Kitty Pryde do best? Well, she's a fake lane filler, right? So that's essentially the cards that are going to be good with Elsa out the back are ones that are filling the lane, but they're not, right? You have more ways to abuse the mechanic. It is tough at times to fill all the lanes. Not every deck wants Elsa, but I would say a good majority are going to want to benefit. And these Kitty Pride decks, we already know how to take the most advantage of them as well.
So, we're gonna continue to be able to do that. Now, what's scary is you talked about the cards that go along with like, like the Angela is a great example. But more so than that, even in the Shuri deck, you've got the little packages that we discovered as a community recently, right? So first of all, obviously, to a lot of y'all's mind, are gonna be the ones that can fake fill lanes. So Nightcrawler, a great example here, right? Jeff, another good example.
Silk. These are cards that have been in that little movement package that are fantastic. And this is truly now a package. That's gonna be ran across the board, cause now you're getting Craven Synergy. You're getting 2 5 value in Silk, you're getting Angela, you're getting Elsa. There's a lot coming together, and even, dude, having a 1 5 Nightcrawler? A 2 6 Jeff? Just, a 2 6 Jeff is, is, is something. I gotta tell ya. And now keep in mind guys, they have to be played into the lane.
So, Alex, you can't move a card like Nightcrawler into a lane to fill it and he gets a bonus. It has to be played in there, right? Like, Ultron is not gonna work. Dr. Doom, on the filling location, but the bots won't get it. So that's important to know. But don't you think these little moving cards, right? Vision! Vision! I mean, getting that cap on, it's gonna be big!
Yeah, well, Vision's huge. Cap Marvel's huge too, because that extra plus three does a lot for something like Cap Marvel. But like, even like small things like Ghost Spider. Because, I mean, it's like, oh Alex, Ghost Spider doesn't really, well, if you fill a location, right, Ghost Spider can pull the card out. And then you can play into it again, right?
So if you're not playing the Kitty Pryde style package, and you're just trying to get a little value, or even if you are playing Kitty Pryde and didn't draw it, you know, you could, you could create additional space with something like a Ghost Spider. But the ones that I've been really thinking about, Cozy, And call me crazy. I've been playing a little bit of like, you know, Donna, right? Card cards that like fill the lane. And like those cards are played. Are they not?
They are because they, they proc their on reveal effects. So those cards are played. So would they not benefit from the Elsa effect? If you fill the locations with Shauna?
Yeah. Shauna, Shauna is one of those weird ones cards and it's always mind boggling.
One plays your either. So it's like, no,
it's bleak on her. And what does she even do to three? What, what, what does it mean?
Three, two.
Dude, I, it's ridiculous.
I'm sorry, I took you off guard there.
No, you're good. OnReveal, add a random card. That's the thing, saying add is what my problem is, because Squirrel Girl is not gonna work. I know that for certain, right? So it's like, and I forgot they made her at 1 2, and she's add. So I don't think they'll add. I think she just gets the benefit of OnReveal. We'll have to see, however, that does Mysterio should. Mysterio will, because he's he's actually playing. But he doesn't he say add an illusion? So maybe I'm just As you play, play.
No, so it doesn't
Play illusions. Okay. So the language is kind of important here.
Yeah, it is. Well, yeah, right? There's such as Marvel snap all the time. I feel like these intricacies. But what I will say with Shauna, at least in in in some of that Is this finally a card that will make, you know, never mind just like, oh, moving cards out of the way and whatnot, but just getting the pure plus three bonus. Is this finally going to be this card that makes Dazzler and or Zoo kind of like, Get that little bit over the top.
It's possible. It's possible. Like, I mean, Dazzler I think is better than people give it credit for. There was a while people were experimenting with like, Dazzler placed surfer lists. I think that's Dazzler Zoo with the Killmonger's not as prevalent as it used to be. And so you can get away with Zoo lists right now. I think Mysterio's one of the key winners here.
I like that you brought it up because Mysterio is going, like, if you, if you Bast Mysterio, like, and then it gets the plus three across the board, like, that is, that's better than Doctor Doom. Doctor friggin Yara. Like, it's, it's crack. It's insane.
Yeah, dude. No, that's a great point. There's definitely new deck design and we're gonna see it like we do all the time in a new season. It's the same old decks and they get a little bit better with Elsa and then like a couple, then you start getting the creativity hats on, right? And that's when you start to see the decks that we just alluded to. These kind of different, easy to fill lanes and, and Mysterio in general is just easy. It's easy to get that out across the board.
A couple more cards that are kind of like, Wasn't maybe thinking about that all the way, and I kind of really like this one, dude. I love Hulkbuster in this scenario. So Hulkbuster is another fake Phil, and one of the more fun ones at that, dude. Because if you have the, like a Jeff or whatever down, or any card for that matter, And then you fake fill it.
I think the Hulkbuster, it depends on the activation, but regardless, either the Hulkbuster or the card he attaches to would get three more power, dude. That's insane.
This is the interest intricacies of this game, right? Like you really need to get this card in your hand and test all this stuff, right? I like this call. I actually had not considered Hulk. Buster when you started scrolling to three, five, I thought you were going to talk about a card. I want to talk about too, but Hulk Buster was a good call. Hulk Buster is kind of relevant again, eh, especially with these these Kitty pride decks.
And I think people are getting accustomed to like, Oh wait, I can play Hulk, Hulk Buster with Kitty pride. And then like benefit from that in a very significant way. So even the Nerf Kitty pride, Hulk Buster, Bloodstone, all these things are going to add up to a very strong one drop in Kitty pride.
Yeah. Oh, for sure, man. And again, it's like Hulk Buster. Has synergy with other cards so well, but then he also can just, he's just, yeah, three fives, good stats, right? So I'm sure you were going to mention this lad right here.
Absolutely. What an absolute Chad. This is going to be a Spider Man. Being able to basically just pop into the location, get the buff and just jump right out to create space for the next card. This was the one I read meant to, went to right away. Cause like, I'm like, man, this card is going to be so good. It's already good. Yeah, I love it. It's already a great card. And like... I kind of feel like it's eaten Polaris's lunch a little bit.
I just like his ability so much more. It's so much more useful.
It is. It's super useful. And we've talked about in the past, even in ways you might not expect, like when you're storing a location and you don't have your jug and you have Spider Man and they play a card and you pull it out anyway and still trade the location, right? I love, I love the synergy with Elsa though, because it's Like you're getting it and your opponent is being disrupted still, and they don't like you're messing up their play. You're pulling their Angela out of the lane.
You're pulling their whatever out of the lane armor out of the lane. So you could something later. Like, I'm often finding incredible uses for Spider Man to kind of just mess up the board state of the opponent because everyone plays cards in a very specific way. Oh, you're playing Nebula there because you think I can't play there very often. Well, let's move Nebula over here where I can play on you all game long, right?
Spider Man, I think has been a very silent high performer and it works perfectly. Perfectly with also bloodstone.
Yeah. So, you know, looking at Elsa Alex, I would say the reason she's just a banger of a season pass card is that. We have a lot of season passes aimed to make one archetype better, or it's kind of archetype. The season is around an archetype. You would look at Loki and you're like, oh, he's pretty plug and playable, but no, he kind of made his own archetype, right? So like, yeah, he was accessible to a lot of people that want that play style.
Elsa's benefit is that she is going to work across most of the decks that you already enjoy playing as a player, right? Like, if you like... Talks, whatever it is. She's gonna give you to said deck in some capacity, right? This is a great example of that. Now, these are the cards that move out of the way. These are the faux lane fillers, if you will. Here's some other cards that I thought, hmm, I like the synergy.
First of all, and probably most like, hmm, it's a tight, tight deck, but I think it can work. Let's talk destroyed. Now, this is obviously a archetype that can fill a lane, and it doesn't matter, right? No big deal. No skin off their nose. Deadpool is one that I like as plaguing him as the last in the lane kill mongering him. And then you double up that three power pretty easily. Imagine playing forge into that, right?
So you have a couple of Terrence just really cooking and you have a dead pool now with easy plus three power that you can continue to abuse. Kind of exciting there. Another great example is what obviously Carnage or Venom. They destroy the lane and then they build up. The Bucky Barnes play just got better somehow. Kind of cool with the story.
It is. It is really interesting with the story. Specifically with the the Venom. I like the call on Venom there because...
Anytime Venom's getting additional value, like, that generates value for Null, it generates value for Zola, it generates, like, Null sorry, Venom is just such a great card, and you're right, you often stack, like, that lane with three, three cards ready to pop, right, and X 23 is ever present, it's bouncing around all the time, it's never off the board, yeah, I like the call with Destroy Cozy, I think you're, you're thinking here.
My biggest, like, you're thinking too much, but you're thinking, this is, this is by far, here it is, this is my stretch of the season, Mega Sonic. Negasonic. This is Stretch already. This is Stretch, yeah. We're already, we're, we're, we're in the tin, tin foil hat. Negasonic and then you fill the location with Nimrod. What do you think? I like it. Isn't that kind of cheeky? That's pretty spicy. Kind of spicy, dude. So you, you spread them.
But are we sure that it won't blow up before it gets plus three?
Dude, that's why we got to test it, gets to plus three and that's actually a terrible play. But that's why I that's why I come to the... Snapshot with these hot takes that I know are probably garbage, but I like thinking of every possible, possible thing.
Dude, are you kidding me? That's a great, like, what you just came up with is brilliant. I love that. I would never have thought Negasonic into Nimrod trying to get the plot. Like, that's awesome. I love that. Even if it doesn't work because the code won't allow it. It's a brilliant idea, Cozy. Pat on the back.
Well, let me hit you with one more then. This is my last, like, okay, hold on. This is a card I really like as well. In a deck archetype that it doesn't really work. I, like, it's, it's fun when it happens, but, like, you can't take it into Infinity Conquest because it's not consistent enough. I know that, I think it was like June, you had a big Invisible Woman kick, right? Like, you were playing her a ton, a lot of decks.
If you guys haven't already, really cool interaction is Invisible Woman followed by, and I've done this so many times now by Taskmaster. This is a really cool interaction because essentially the last card you played on turn 6, Taskmaster's gonna copy. What I think is interesting, or cool, is if we go to 5, 6 power, we sort by power, we go from top to bottom. Now you've got some cool cars. Obviously can't look at all of them, but I like the idea of even just the extra sizzle, right?
On some of these big cards. You can't do it on Orca. I like, I get it on the lanes you can't do it on, but the fact of just getting a 15 magneto in one lane and a 15 in the taskmaster in the other lane, it to me, the taskmaster synergy, it's there. It does exist and I'm excited about it.
It is. And also like, conversely, if someone's playing Magneto against you, or you play, you're playing against someone who has also Bloodstone and you pull four units into a location, they won't get buffed because they've not been played there. Right. So it's this card mechanically, I think is really complex. And like, I want to see it play out. I want to see this, because I do think it's going to be strong. Like, I think this is going to be a good card. Like, your early impressions, right?
I know we like to do the star thing. What are your early impressions, star wise?
Yeah, we got to do it with each card, right? So the fact that she's going to work even with like, space throne and things like that. Like, they've already figured that out. Which I love. I honestly, man, I might be a little high on this. But I'm thinking definitely 4 star. I feel solid about a 4 star card. She's not the winner in the deck. But she enables other decks in general. A 4 I'm gonna go 4, but I think 4. 5 is not off the table. As far as just like a 2 drop with its value.
I don't know why that's not there to your Shang Chi point. To the synergy point,
I was going to say four, I lean towards four. I can see this being a pretty impactful card. And in particular for like these mid range style decks, we're like, you're kind of, you're generating a lot of value with these smaller pieces that are highly mobile, right? It's not just about the, Oh, I'm going to skip into a Cyclops blast and smash a Hulk down. That's a 20. Like that's, that's not just what this gameplay is. It's just like attrition based.
I'm slowly going to chip away three extra power, three extra power, three extra power. And I think that's really neat. And not being able to shang chi them, I think is key too. So, there's so many more synergies, like, again, we're, once we get the card in our hand, we're gonna, we're gonna figure out some inventive stuff. I, my first deck is gonna have Mysterio in it. I feel like Mysterio is a huge, huge winner here.
And I can't wait to see those Bast and Mysterio just jump to the sky, cause it's gonna be huge.
Yeah, I think it's, it's gonna be bounce, move, destroy. Those are the ones that I think are gonna be the initial, like, Winners then I want to put my testing stuff on like I don't know black panther. It's not gonna work I'm, pretty sure but you know, I want to test these things that want the power, you know, those kind of decks as well but regardless I think it's got itself the ghost spider point that you just had as a two drop I love it.
I love cars that buff other cars and they're not just like good value like a lizard's cool But you know, that's why Forge is a fun card or whatnot
I have something to say and I almost don't want to bring it up. Say it I almost don't want to bring it up. Elsa Bloodstone, two drop We've always had meta defining two drops Zabu being one of them where you want it out on two Is this a Chavez in every deck situation? No, I don't want to bring it up, but I, after a kind of heated conversation last week, I got to think I was like, maybe cozy is right. Maybe I'm, I'm the unreasonable one here. So I'm bringing this up on my own volition.
I know I'm setting myself up here, but is this a situation where it is demonstratively obvious that perhaps Chavez has to be in every single deck and that's a problem.
So, for me, at least, two drops are interesting because typically they can be played on like five or four, whatever, you know what I mean? Like, they can complement it, and because what you're doing is a late game play on some of the decks, I think it's fine. But on the, on the ones that we've alluded to with the Jeff and the Nightcrawler, and you want to get those bonuses as quick as possible, and it's mid range, yes, Chavez.
And I want to say, the comment section was like, I can't believe you hate, and then I did another deck a couple days later that had Chavez, and people were even more livid. I like Chavez. I think he's just a good card. My, I guess my point was that this is exactly why. Right, like this is exactly why Chavez would be interesting not here anymore. Because this is, this is a very good point to bring up, Alex. I like that you brought that up. Because do you just want it Elsan too?
I think it depends on the deck, yeah?
Yeah, but I like, you know, I don't think you'll ever be upset with Elsa on 2. I don't think it's Zabu though. Zabu, if like, not getting Zabu on 2 feels awful. But I still think that what you said is correct. If you have like, Elsa, and you play the Elsa on 4, you can still vision on 5. You can still do things, right? There are still things you can do, and actually you do want it early, right? Yeah. But it's just, it kind of propped into my mind.
I was like, is this going to be a situation where I realize just how wrong I am?
Well, listen man, I loved it. I loved the, the conversation. It's important to bring up every point, right? And Either way, I think Elsa, we can both say is probably pretty damn good. All season pass cards are pretty good, but I like the flexibility, the plug and play ability. And she's, she's going to bring some new enjoyment to, I think, a meta game that needs it.
Absolutely. The meta game, I think a lot of people have been a little upset with lately. And I think that Elsa is going to bring another tool that has a completely different play style. Right. It's kind of like, I was just going to say Phoenix force again. We can, this is a record now, but Phoenix force brought a whole new archetype to the table, a whole new play style. And I think that was refreshing.
Even if the deck was terrible, even if it sucked, it was refreshing to play something new and Loki did that too. Let's not forget. Loki was a very refreshing new way to play. It was just too good. And everyone played it and the counter in Mobius was four weeks away. Right. So for Elsa Bloodstone, I think it is a new approach to Marvel Snap and it gives a little love to move too, which is nice. And I think, I think you mentioned it last week that move needed some indirect love. And here we are.
Yeah. So it's like, I think this is the final point on here for me is that Jeff is one of the most played cards in SAP. If not like top five, most played Nightcrawler is getting played a lot more. Angela's played these cards. This movement package is what I opened up with. Is already played and so the reason why she's going to be so in the meta is that like a 2 6 Jeff over your 2 3 Jeff wins every time and a 2 6 Jeff is actually scary. I'm like, what are we going to see with that, right?
Obviously combined with Kitty and stuff. She's a good card because of that. I think the movement package already really, really good. It's going to be even better and that's why I have her as just great. She works with good cards already, right? Spider Man, we just talked about it. So definitely guys, look out for Elsa Drops later tonight. Our next card, Alex, is in between us here. And I know your Disney loving ass doesn't like scary.
But Man Thing is actually a hero, a complex, but he is definitely one of the more fearsome looking Snap Cards that we've had. And will be our first new one. I think he's series four. And I think he's the only series four of the month. Which dude, I'm all about. I just did a Toxic Guide. Fell in love with the archetype again. Remembered why I loved it. You play him with fire with toxic, but it can compete with just about anything out there.
Guys, if you don't know and if you want to know what he does, Man Thing is a 4 5 that he has an ongoing effect of 1, 2, and 3 cards, cost cards have negative 2 power. That's both on your side and on the opponent's. Alex, first impressions of Man Thing.
My first impression is that I like this card. And I don't, how do I say this? I don't know if it's going to be as meta relevant as I want it to be. But I do like it. I see myself playing this card. I like it a lot. I'm going to be slotting into many decks. It naturally is, the problem with it, the problem with it, which drops it down for like, for me, I'm like, I lean towards like it being a higher star card. But what brings it back down is the prevalence of High Evo. High Evo brings with it...
Luke Cage and Luke Cage obviously is going to have a very negative negative impact on this card. You're going to be playing Luke Cage yourself, but then you really just want a four or five stat line. However, you my friend just released an absolutely fantastic toxic base deck. This card loves that. Loves it. It loves debris. It loves the goblins. It loves all that stuff. It loves Viper. It loves Hood being kicked over. It benefits from everything.
And if someone does not have Luke Cage, it's Snap and GG. Like, it's just over. This thing is a lot of power. Especially with your capabilities of putting things on the other side. So, I like it, I think it's better than I think it's getting credit for, but I do see it's downside, depending on what the meta situation is when it comes out.
I mean, a 413 is hilarious, right? Like, that's just, obviously, like, the most busted stat lines. The thing is, is like, you have toxic decks, and then you've got, like, these, like, negative pushing decks, and you have, you know, disrupt decks. They all have different names. After playing the Archetype a ton through Infinity Conquest, really learning the ins and outs of why you want to play it and what it does well. Couple things I see working with Synergy.
First of all, Loot Cage exists, absolutely, guys. You're gonna have to have one on your side, but also, with these negative style decks, you want to run your own Loot Cage. And then you run your Lizard. Well, if you're running Lizard, you can run Enchantress to kill your own Lizard. And now, you have a way to then go against their own Luke Cage. And that's like a massive turn 6 play, I would assume.
If you play an Enchantress to, to, to kill what they thought was a protected man thing lane, and all of a sudden you have a flip of 8 power in that lane, That's a winnable lane, right? That's absolutely massive. And even getting like a Mystique to copy this is kind of silly. Like there's some kind of weird things and you do have to be reliant on your Luke Cage. But this punishes, punishes cards out there right now, Alex. And we're going to talk about the decks that or really the deck.
But the main things that I see working with them. But can we just first talk about a card that has been meta relevant now? Since, I would say, since December this has been a very good card. That this is I believe designed to just completely nuke down and target and that my friend is going to be Brood, I think Brood's gonna have a tough time moving forward with Manthing. He just obliterates this card. Man, and cards like this.
He does, he completely destroys it. And the thing about it is, Brood comes out on 3, right? Manthing comes out on 4. And completely just dismantles it. And it's what exactly Brood needed. Like, this is, didn't we just talk about Brood being the 10th best cube gaining card in Marvel Snap? Yep. That was a surprise to me, but then when you said it, I'm like, of course it's Brood. Brood, of course it's brood, right? Brew. That's right. I could use a brew right now.
Wake up a little bit, but but yeah, brood has always been a tremendously powerful card. It was surfer with iron lad with everything else. I liked the call. The thing that concerns me. Is that there's a couple things about Man Thing that are kind of tricky. It's one of the few ongoing cards where you can't naturally counter it with Rogue, for instance. So Rogue's not really an answer, because if you don't have Luke Cage, like, well, what the hell are you even doing, right?
Like, you're basically just flipping the effect and just still debuffing yourself anyways. So I think that Enchantress is going to be the answer, however, however, smart players will quickly identify that you're not going to put your Luke Cage into the location with Man Thing, right? Because if you do, no, no, no, sorry, sorry, sorry, no, I'm the opposite way.
You want to put your Luke Cage countering into the same location as the Man Thing, because if they play the Enchantress, they knock both effects off. So now Luke Cage and Enchantress have this interesting dance where it's like, okay. If I want to turn off their Luke Cage, I'm also going to turn off my man thing. I think the tech side of this card is where the drawdown comes. I think it's way more counterable than others.
But at the same time, like you talked about before, like a 413 or whatever, like that is a disgusting stat line.
A 413, and like the card I compare him to the most by far, and one that honestly, dude, I fell back in love with so hard, man. I loved it again. Spidey Woman is so good. I admit it. We talked about her as the most loved card like, I don't know, months ago, and I'm still, I still think she's there. She's under Shang Chi's zone. She can be with the 12 power swing is insane because she has a negative 4 potential. And then she can't be Shang Chi'd, which I just said before.
Man Thing is the same thing to me, right? It's this card that pushes out way more than it's worth, but you don't have to fear where it goes. And I honestly think, once you have Man Thing into this Toxic deck the one that I just put out, it's not missing a lot of pieces. You have to be aggressive with that deck, and that's why it loses, right? And like, anytime you're giving fire to the player base, like, the win rate's gonna be bad. Like, you've gotta know that.
I honestly say, ignore the stats on this one, to be honest. Like, it's just not that important. You have to do Green Goblins early, you gotta try to get some things. It's kinda cool though, because once you start to compound all this stuff, right? Like a card that worked with the, the Toxic Package that I, that I was falling in love with. Especially played behind Nebula was was Mojo. Right? Nebula enforces him to fill it.
I think Mojo's a really cool counter we didn't talk about to Elsa Bloodstone. Because you know they wanna flood this stuff out. This is going to continue to work itself into the meta. I think toxic will have its best month yet. Underman thing.
Oh, I agree. And then the next month you get another card, which we'll talk about on another podcast, which might even be crazier for, for toxic and disruption and you know, all that kind of stuff. So I don't even know how to say, I think it's a Nihilus. Is it a Nihilus? Is that how you say it? I'm not sure. We know what card we're talking about.
You know, I think we always look at these cards and we're like, well, Luke Cage, it's like, dude, people are still already not playing Mobius and it's like an obvious card that you should be playing. People roll the dice. They like to not put the tech cards because tech card isn't interesting, right?
Like it's this you see this in a lot of card games like like Pokemon They don't do people don't put training cards all the time because they're not Pokemon like I get it but I do think Luke Cage you'll have a Swing man week man week a man thing week. That sounds fantastic. You got demonetized When Man Thing comes out, you can see a lot of Luke Cage, then it's going to dip in play rate, and it's going to continue to be kind of where it is now, the toxic archetype, but better.
Yeah, it's kind of funny, because I feel like every single time a new card comes out, it's better, like, two weeks after it comes out, when people, like, fall off of the counter a little bit. Honestly, for me, like, my notes here says, like, it, it, it hampers Ultron play. I mean, Ultron can't really do its thing as effectively, right? So I think Patriot low key gets hit here because Patriot has a zoo effect, right? We often forget about Patriot being like a zoo based deck.
You have Sinisters, you have Broods, you have Ultrons. And so like, Manthings is like, no. Like, all that sucks now. And that deck is not going to run Enchantress. You know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of deck that gets too tight. It won't run the tech that we're talking about. I could squeeze Luke Keegan. It could squeeze it in.
Yeah, dude. And, and the fact of like the Hood got himself a little bit of a nerf in an OTA. And we're like, oh my God. And, and it did kill his play rate a lot, which I think it should have. I actually like Hood as a toxic card more than a catch all card. I think it's a good placement for him. But the fact that he's a mini Green Goblin, right, you send that over with Viper, which feels fantastic. You're essentially sending over a negative five card with Man Thing on the board.
And you can play, so the way you play Viper, right, is if you have Censure in your hand, you can hold on to that. If you have Hood, and you have Viper, you might as well just do the one two and get the huge swing play. Having Man Thing followed by that is so much negative power. And this can also go in the same lane that Green Goblin's gonna be in. That is a lost lane. There is no coming back from that lane once you popped a hood in a Green Goblin and Man thing. It's over for that lane.
Even if they do a Luke Cage, who cares, man? They still got the negative cards. So, you know, I keep going down the toxic archetype, but debris, right? These, these cards that are going to they've been good, but they're gonna continue to get better with something that can capitalize, right, instead of just a hazmat on these rocks and we have a toxic rain. It's like, no, now you have another way to follow up, you know this toxic archetype, which it's desperately needed.
It has this really needed it because like I feel like toxic has been always this like I'm going to play hazmat Wong and absorbing man and all the other cards don't matter and it's just this turn six crazy miracle But no like it's always been this like 40 percent win rate high roll I'm going to make a youtube short stuff back right and then I think man thing does give it a legit like Some legitimacy. Yeah, so i'm actually really excited about this card. Stars What are you feeling?
So after all this talk right after all this talk I'm going to say a three star still for now. I'm going to give it a three star rating just because it does have that direct counter, probably 3. 5 though. Honestly, 3. 5. I'm settling on that.
I've leaned towards three as well. The reason for this is cause obviously it, it has this initiative dance as well. It's something we didn't touch on like initiative, obviously you're. You're going to be getting initiative very commonly when playing Man Thing, but that might not always be what you want, depending on what's going on, right? Like, a Toxic deck with Hazmat does not want initiative, because you want to hit everything as they play it, right?
So, that's a bit of a factor worth considering. I lean towards 3. In my heart, this card speaks to me as a 4. Like in terms of what I'm interested in for sure, but I don't think it's that strong. I think the counterplay is too obvious and is too meta relevant that this is going to be three possibly even towards two as long as high Evo is like a like a large sustaining chunk of the meta.
But just even having the, the. Fact of you, the negative pushing lanes can get so bad to where you can have a life in the deck, which is working in toxic, and you're ahead by way more on your lane you're winning because it's so much negative power, and then you just have a life away, a lane to win, right? Like, that does exist, I think, in this world of man thing. He's a tough one to place. I do value wise, Series 4, I think, is great. I think he's fantastic for that.
But then he's our only Series 4 drop for this one. So yep, that's gonna be our ranking on him. Next up, and this is a big season, we got a lot of we got, we got a lot of cards coming out, Alex. Five week season, this one, isn't it? Yeah, because I think the last one comes out, like, on Halloween, which thematically is fantastic. This next one, I think, will be our shortest conversation. It's a card that adds to really just one archetype, kind of like Man Thing.
It's gonna be the Black Knight, who's a 1 2, and after you discard it, you're gonna get the Ebony Blade with the power after you discard a card, sorry, you're gonna get the Ebony Blade with the power of the card that you discarded once per game. So Black Knight has to be on the board, and then you go ahead and get that card. Alex, like, initial thoughts, rundowns on Black Knight.
My initial thoughts is that this is going to be trickier to play than, like, First Meets the Eye, because, like, you don't want to just discard a Swarm, right? Like, you don't want to just discard a Swarm, right? So I was thinking about that, and I was like, what do you really want to discard, then, with Culling Wing? That gets you enough power that the Ebony Blade's worth it. And I'm like, okay, do you discard Ebony Maw, right? Ebony Maw hit with with the Culling Wing.
That's a pretty good line. It's a 1 7. And plus, if you Hela or whatever... That's a pretty good card to fall down on turn six, right? So I was thinking about like, okay, what do we actually want to discard? Like, what is it with Ebony Blade? If you're playing something like a, a, a Culling Wing, then yeah, like an Ebony Maw maybe, right? But even, do you really want Ebony Maw on your deck? And then I was thinking, I was like, okay, you still have Lady Sif who just got buffed.
Death is an 8 cost, right? So that's a very consistent line. I don't, I'm not quite sure of this answer. If you discard Apocalypse. Does the ebony blade take on the value of the discarded apocalypse? Like, on the moment of the discard. Do we know that yet?
I think it's a similar to Dracula, which is what I would assume. And this is where I see in short, I think Black Knight is going to add a new flavor. That's better than what Silver Surfer did, because it's not messing your own thing up. 2 discard, it's not gonna be, I don't think it's gonna be Hela. I think it's gonna be kind of a, another option potentially if you have Black Knight out to Modok, if you don't discard anything else, and you play Modok, you have this card that can come out.
I don't know if it's going to add to Apocalypse. What's interesting too about him, right, is if you, you play him down, you're calling wing if you have this ebony blade, will it, you could also end up discarding that accidentally? Like, there's some weird interactions with how he's going to work. Without question, right, we can just say, I think firmly, he's going to make some really cool, powerful playlines. And if you, this is like the combo card, right?
If you get the combos that you need, You win the game, right? The Infinite 420 play? It's ridiculous. The Ghost Rider to follow? Ridiculous.
But it's kind of, it's kind of unfortunate for something like Modok, will it, will it just take the value of whatever's left in like the leftmost card in your hand, the first card that gets discarded with Modok. So is this a shadow nerf to Modok? Like, is it, it's not reliable. So Modok's the most reliable discard card, but if you have Black Knight, Modok is suddenly not reliable. And Apocalypse will always bounce to the right of your hand. So in practice, I wonder about how good this card is.
This is my lowest card. This is the card where I'm like, man, I don't know. I don't know about this one.
So, you know, I go against these decks, man, with Blade now. Where it's like, it feels like no matter what they're getting rid of, it's good. It's like, oh, it's Swarm. Oh, there's Magneto. There's Infinite. I know it's coming. I think it's gonna be good. I think it's good for the people that play Discard. I, it's a, because it's Series 5, I think you should avoid it for the most part, unless you're all in on Discard. I do think it's going to find its slot in these decks, in these...
New age era of these dependable discard decks that I think are really slept on. They're not talked about right now enough. Because you've got these cards like, man, I could, I could go on and on about Hela. How I think she's just a pure value card now. She's so good. He's gonna work in a lot of instances. He's definitely gonna boost up Ghost Rider. Obviously, this is like the, those are the obvious synergies that's gonna work.
But he's gonna still continue to add to what is Discard all about, right? Kind of just like, it's a dance. It's a, if you get your combos, it's crazy. I think there's definitely great playlines with him. He's a little bit one dimensional, if you will. Which is why I don't love it, love it. I still think he's a, he's a... The 2. 5 star. Really?
I lean more towards two, like, because I feel like discard really benefits from the consistent line of MODOK. However, if, if Chavez gets changed, then discard changes completely. And I wonder, I, I've just crossed my mind. I wonder if Black Knight comes out and Chavez gets discarded. Chavez gets nerfed or changed. Like, I wonder if the, the new wave of discard comes in with Black Knight and Chavez being changed.
I guess the reason why I think he's gonna be a threesome, like, why I'm not just gonna crap on the card, is that it's like... He's a one drop. So like, yeah, you have blade, but sometimes you gotta be careful with when you play, so you're not getting the ebony blade. As soon as you dis or play the Black Knight, it's when you discard a card. So at worst, he's a one two, which is not good stats these days, but at worse.
You're just kind of waiting around to see what a good 4 drop value is gonna be, which is kind of what Discard is anyway these days, right? Like, you can have Black Cat now, which means you have two 4 drops that you can play. Maybe Zabu, we'll see. But you know what I mean? Like, it's not for a, for a archetype that kind of needs a 1 drop. He's just going to work in there, I would assume with a lot of upside.
I, the one thing I kind of wondered about him in, I was like, okay, cause I was kind of low on this car. And I was like, okay, does hella tribunal really benefit from this? Cause you're not really playing anything on one anyway, under most circumstances. Like there's, there's a couple of different ways to play tribunal. Hello. Tribunal is one of them. It's the most RNG centric one, but.
If you straight up just discard like a Magneto and Infinado, like any of those big boys that you're hitting, then Ebony Blade's there. The problem is now you're also running, you're running Iron Man. You're running all these other kits that you don't want for your, your Black Knight. So I don't know. It's like discard has been leaning towards this reliable discard, right?
And you, you bring up, you brought up a Silver Samurai prior and Silver Samurai does not work well with Black Knight because it's, it's discarding the opposite of what Black Knight wants. Right? So. All these reliable pieces are moving, like they're kind of acting against it. Lady Sif's the only one I really see. Modok doesn't work for it. So Silver Samurai doesn't work for it. Culling Wing is kind of awkward with it. That's kind of where my head's at. That's why I feel lower on Black Knight.
Unless you make a deck that's just like a big time numbers, right? And then it's like, then Silver Samurai, like, yeah, he's getting rid of a 7, not a 12. But it's like, okay, you know, it's whatever, whatever, right? Like, you know, obviously you want it around a 9 power to get at least like, it's like. That's like that's best cost for forecast a car that you're playing down, right? So Obviously, Mobius vs. Deku Zabu, but yeah, overall, for value, I'd say skip the week, right? What do you say?
I also agree, skip the week. I don't think it's worth, it's not worth a Series 5 token drop, for sure.
No, not at all, and we'll talk about the spotlights on New Week. I don't think it's worth it. Again, I think people will look at it as a meme too positive. I just, I think it works in the archetype like Manthing does, and that's as a one drop, I don't know, I think it just kind of works together. Next up, dude, the next season card that we have to talk about, and you know, this is one where This could be, okay, hear me out. I'm gonna already give my star rating to start it off.
Okay, this could be a 1. 5 star card Alex or This very well could be, which I don't think it will, but it could be the next Legion. Truly the next Legion. It's Niko. Now Runaway fans, you guys will know Niko Minoru. If you don't know, she's a one drop on reveal after you play your next card, cast a spell. We do know that those spells go in order. The spells changes each turn. We've seen it played on the trailer. Very random! We're gonna bring up the spells in a second. Alex, right?
Like, don't you think it's gonna be either, like, God awful, or the flexibility it brings makes it slept on, and all of a sudden you have a great way to get things cooking.
What you said, I'm so glad you said it first. I've, I have a ton of notes for this card, and all of them say just have question marks beside them, because like, it is, we say it all the time, we need to play this card to really understand it, and I think this is like the one of the month. That's like, okay, this card really needs to be tested before you can say too much about it. I don't know. I agree with your assessment. It's like a one or a five and probably nowhere in the middle.
The thing that has kind of got me thinking it's probably going to be on the lower side. And I like to be wrong, but it feels like the original snow guard, right? Yep. If you think about it, remember how you used to, the, the, the bear and the Hawk used to change. And you're like, man, like, I kind of could use that Hawk right now, but it's the stupid bear, right? Or like, that unreliability of that, that's what feels, that's what it feels like.
We've seen, and we've seen these cards not perform. When they're trying to be a jack of all trades, or like, they have like a bunch of things they can do, they're not good at one thing, and the game only has 12 cards, and those 12 cards have to do something and serve the purpose in your deck, right? So, that's the biggest argument for her. She's way too random.
Which is why some of these other cards that we thought would be good aren't good because it's just, it, it, it does too much and not enough. What she has going for her, she's a one drop. That's the biggest thing going for her. Snowguard was a one drop, but you had to, you had to play other things whereas you get to cast a spell with the card. You know, you don't have to play more energy. Like, Snowguard was so bad because of that. She's very general. In her application.
I think that's a very good, I think if I'm calling it, she'll be terrible in ladder, but pretty good in conquest. That's my guess. Like if I, if I were to like sum it up, like that's probably my thought and there's a couple of cards I think she works well with. I am low on her for now, but I do, she, she could be legion. All of a sudden, these people crapping on her, they're gonna love her.
And say that, I think it'll be the hot take to say she's gonna be good because she has, I guess, the potential. I just don't. Fully see it Alex. I think it helps like taking a look at her spells and for those watching here You can see them all on screen, but we'll go through them quickly.
Just take a listen We're gonna go from spell 1 to spell 7 the first spell on reveal after you play your next card It becomes a demon which would obviously be a 1 6 All these are on reveal cards guys after you play your next card destroy it and draw two cards After you play your next card and move it to a location to the right so kind of the opposite of iron fist After you play your next card, give it plus two power. A little worse than Elisa.
Playing your next card, you can replace the card's location. A little Scarlet Witch stuff going on. After you play your next card, it's a mini Moon Girl. Add a copy of it to your hand. And then finally, after you play your next card, you're gonna double Nico to a 1 4. So again, Alex, all of these are very kind of situational. In the right decks, they will have their uses.
I'm gonna just say it now, I think the two decks, if you will, that are gonna work best with Niko, and this is truly, we gotta just wait and see, is gonna be, wait for it, the fifth time mentioned on the podcast, Phoenix Force. Phoenix Force Yeah, so Phoenix Force has a lot of synergy with these cards that we just read off, right? So that, you know, maybe. Also, man, play your next card and it becomes a demon. I was like, wait a second, Brood, Mr. Sinister, what happens there?
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure they would all just become... So there's some cool interactions. Again, I think this is a grade A 5 star fun card. Probably not gonna be the best. And then lastly, I think Thanos, man. I think Thanos will love this card. Because it has a lot of cards that can take effect to this and it doesn't matter. Like, destroy a stone, who cares? You get to draw two cards, right?
I agree. Thanos is a good call there. I think Thanos needed something. That was this, that changed the soul stone. It's hard to believe that that's small change complete. It took like 2 percent off the win rate of the deck off the archetype. It's crazy. Right? You said something pretty interesting and I want to kind of touch on it.
Okay. So. In my head, when I was evaluating this card, I was thinking, you know what, this is a cool card, but when you have 12 cards, I think one thing that Marvel snap does really well, and although this might be a hot take, but I think Marvel snap has very fair RNG for the most part, you have some location RNG, which can be absolutely tilting, but in terms of actual card RNG, I think it's pretty well managed here. Nico takes it to a whole other level.
And when you're playing a 12 card deck, I think the best decks are the ones that are often the most consistent. Like if you think about what high evolutionary is, we think about what Shuri is. These are not fancy RNG decks. These are very consistent, straightforward play pattern decks that just perform. Niko throws it all out the window, but you said that you think that it's going to be better on, no, no. Is it better on.
In conquest terrible on ladder or the other way around I'm actually I'd like for you to expand on that because that was a really interesting thing and like I actually I was like what did he mean by that so I like to go back to that
so I'm pretty sure these spells don't go in order like it's not the same set order and sometimes if you build your deck around Nico you can really find ways to kind of make her work successfully like let's just say broods absorbing man deck absorbing man's a cool card with Nico because he can take advantage of the double of double spells I don't know I don't even know what that looks like right But you have Brood, you have Sinister in that deck already, and maybe on one, you know, game, you lose
two cubes, one cube, it doesn't look good. The next game, you play Niko, and on two or three, you have Brood or Sinister, and you've got the Demon spell up. You snap, the opponent thinks your deck sucks. And all of a sudden you have 18 power in the lane because you have three demons from a brew. Those are where I, it's the variants, right? You get to change locations. Destroy cards and draw. I think a deck can be designed to make a decent. But you're right. Chavez is consistent.
Like these cards are consistent and that's what does well. But in in ladder, dude, you get played and you go down and you get your spells. They probably, you know, they might suck and then you lose. Right? Or it's, it's over. You don't get to play on emotions. You don't get to play on consistency. Or sorry, you have to play in consistency.
Yeah. So it's kind of like the agent Colson effect. The reason why you were so high on agent Colson when it first came out with conquest, it's like that, that variability that your opponent can't really predict or deal with. Okay. I got you. All right. That makes a lot of sense. You, you almost give me a little more like. Spirited like thoughts about this card. I was way down like way down a little bit more Hope for this one, and I think if the spell effects are super cool. I'll be in
there's some yeah I mean, it's it's it's it's got potential I think we're gonna have our own subject for her at some point because she's just so intricate but definitely fun definitely a fun Card now it's a long podcast, but we got to talk about our next card werewolf by night Alex now I do want to start out by saying this was glenn 100 on purpose Every card stats were shown in the trailer, but werewolf by night, which I thought was hilarious because they I think this card Has the most potential
Elsa seems probably like the card, right? But this one is so... It could be game breaking. That they're not even ready to get the stats out to the public yet, right? It is a 3 3 at the moment. I think it'll keep its 3 cost. After you play an Arm Reveal card at another location, move there and gain plus 2 power. It is Werewolf by night. Yo, that's insane.
I love it. I think it's awesome. I think it's gonna be good like this. This for me is like a pretty confident four star for me. If it's bad, I'll be totally surprised. If this is a bad card, I'll be like, man, really? How did this, how was this bad? I think the on reveal part of it is kind of an interesting like inclusion. Cause it kind of does restrict how the card is utilized and the kind of decks that it can work with. But at the same time, I mean, just one movement.
It's a three, five, two movements. It's a three, seven. And like, again, like, what do you, what do you got to do for Maximus to get that done? Right. And I mean, nothing, it just feeds your opponent's hand, but that's a whole other conversation. But what I'm trying to say is I do think that this card's really good. And I like that. It's a move card that's going off of on reveal because like, yeah, okay, there's the obvious cards, right?
Like Heimdall, for instance, but as a whole, I think it opens up some really interesting opportunities for a bit of like a. A synergistic approach between move and on reveal.
Yeah, both archetypes that are, I would say, in contention of the most diversity in love, right? Both of those need the love. Obviously this works with Elsa as a card that you can play and get it out of the lane. Yeah, two reveals and you have yourself a Maximus. Okay, that's all I need to know. Now, you do need the space. You need the space to be able to do this.
However, if Elsa's in play too, works perfect, because then all of a sudden now you're like, yeah, you need the space, but if you fill out a location, it's not as big of a deal, because you're adding a little bit of extra oomph to that. I also love, this is the ultimate dodging of Shang Chi card. It's perfect. It's a 3 7. If it becomes a 3 9, like, good luck guessing where I'm gonna play. It's a tough card, I think, to go up against. And it has a lot of potential. Silver Surfer. Thanos.
Another great Thanos card. My god, man. The Unrevealed Stones. It is perfect, absolutely perfect for this car, man. You know, you play like a a deck that wants to play a lot of cards down and then maybe use Killmonger, you get rid of all those. Like, he could fit in like a Destroy Thanos build, even, because you have all these honor veals going on, and then you just kill them all with Killmonger, make the space for him.
He's got way more to him than I think people give him credit for, and with bounce he seems insane. He's got a lot of cool uses.
I actually, it's funny. You brought up silver surfer. Cause that was like one of the primary lists that was like kind of pen and pencil, a pen and pencil and kind of like, okay, how do I make this card work in an interesting way? And it's as simple as like you often almost, I don't want to say you want to lose, or you intend to lose the silver surfer lane, sometimes like you got brewed and like you're building up the other location. Silver surfer is often the last card you play.
And it's sometimes being thrown into the location that you don't have the most power in, but with werewolf by night. You get the werewolf sliding over. You've already activated it a couple times, perhaps it slides on over. It gets the plus two by silver surfer plus two for its movement. And suddenly you actually have a better chance of going vertical in that silver surfer location. I actually really like it. I think it's pretty cool. And I don't want to just say all silver surfer.
Cause it's a three drop. Cause like, that's what we always default to any time. There's a three drop and two drops for Zabu and four drops of Zabu. Sorry. But like, I actually see Synergy there, so I think you're right to call that out, because it makes perfect sense. It's an on reveal card played on turn six, last card of the game, and it comes sliding over.
Yeah, and not to mention, dude, Elsa, the Elsa Synergy, it's already working. So I think balance, the movement package is so busted with this card, it feels like now, because Kraven is like, you're getting all these, you know, plus twos all over the board. There's a lot of archetypes that Werewolf is gonna work in and we have to wait till the end of the month to even get our hands as he comes out, I think, on October 31st. But definitely 4 star, I think we said for both of us here.
No question about it, man. So, that's, that's the new cards. That's a lot of new cards this month. It was kind of a sleeper banger month. May not be Cards that people know, the characters, but definitely is, like we said to start off, going to hype up a lot of cards that we Need to love, if you will. We have cards on the rise, we kind of do this as tradition cards, we looked at, we just talked about the new cards, right? Which ones are going to be rising up that are already in your collection?
And I'm going to read off a little list that I gathered here, and I want you to kind of tell me, It's that one right there, like that's the one that's going to pop off, right? So on my list here, I've got Shadow King, definitely, with all these fake foe stats, right? I mean, my god, Shadow King is gonna be awesome. Luke Cage, we've got Beast, getting himself a nice little rise. Mojo, to combat the Elsa. Debris, to go with Man Thing, and a few other cards that we've talked about.
Phoenix Force, Ghost Rider, and Ghost Spider. Which ones do you like?
I like Debris. On that list, for me, I think Debris is like, has the biggest delta from like, card that's okay to a card that's going to actually slap, potentially. Specifically with Man Thing. I think that Disruption based decks and taking away board space for opponents, as Destroy drops in meta, meta kind of share. Which is happening. We're actually seeing destroyed drop down and naturally you don't want to play just debris and destroy. So debris is a huge winner in my books.
Like like, what do you think they're like on your list? Like, do you, would you say that debris is a big winner?
I'd like debris also because if Elsa rises up to crazy potential and then man thing comes out and toxic is I I'm telling toxic is already good. All of a sudden you have debris that like, Oh, they were going to fill that Elsa lane with a card and you pop a rock in there. Like it's going to piss them off. Debris, I like a lot. Shadow King, I think, is the winner even more so. He continues to be that with the Kitty Pride deck. I think, without question, Shadow King is gonna really rise up.
On this month in particular. And maybe, maybe Thanos possibly, possibly as a riser. Maybe not a winner, but as a full riser. But yeah, I would say probably my winner, the biggest... Card with the upgrade will be shadow king and then just toxic the archetype with mojo probably being up there
Yeah, and it's kind of funny you bring up kitty pride, but that's gonna be a riser, too Yeah It was already rising before then it got nerfed and the decks got destroyed the kitty Pride base acts like kitty pride Angela's like well this package sucks now got taken out a lot of the lists and It's going to come back. So Kitty's going to have one week of irrelevance and then come back flying into the meta. People are going to be upset about Kitty again next week, but it's it's okay.
It's it's only been a week. So it's it's expected.
Yeah, right. Exactly. One week off and then you can get right back to your shenanigans. We're gonna be talking about. The spotlights that coexist with these new cards over on Alex's, and I think that's going to be really important to know if you truly should get something like Man Thing or Black Knight. But before we talk about the spotlights, we need to talk about the final rankings, Alex, on the cards that we just had. We ranked them going into the season.
How are they going to fare out now that we have them all? We've gotten to play them, and there's definitely some ones that... Maybe not as good as we thought.
Cozy, it's been an absolutely wild week. I'm going to ask you what's been your favorite deck to play thus far this week?
Oh, it's kind of, it has to be the toxic. It's gotta be the toxic archetype. I've been having some fun with a discard brew that I'm cooking up. But the fact of just having the Viper and the green goblin into the decks that are just craving. To play like Loki that need the locations. I won an infinite conquest with it against a high Evo on the match five. It was insane. I love it, man. It's been a ton of fun to play that. How about you?
It's funny because what happened was is I was laying in bed in the morning, right? And I was playing a couple of snap matches and i'm like Toxic deck like non stop. I hadn't had a chance to check my youtube notifications yet Because you know, I got that bell rung and then I scrolled down. I'm like, oh, okay. There it is. That's why i'm facing toxic deck after toxic deck. Honestly, it's a beauty. I gave it a shot too I think you nailed it.
I think it's a lot of fun and, hey listen, you know what's really fun though? Is getting a deck that not only functions well, but it's legitimately fun to play. And I think that's like the thing that we sometimes miss in Marvel Snap. That, I know we get competitive guys. Ranked is now competitive. Conquest is naturally competitive by design. But it's such a fun game. It's such a fun game, and I think that deck is just fun. Toxic's always gonna be fun.
Yeah, Viper is just a cool card, right? Like, just doing what she does. And then also, I love the ability of It came from the Psylocke buff, right? Yeah. The Psylocke buff was good, and then I was like, what archetype loves 5 drops that, like, really affect the deck? And I was like, ooh, Doc Ock and Spider Woman. And then it was like, hold on, Leech? I was like, dude, all these cards together just feel so mean, and they work together, and they flow, and it, dude, it's a lot of fun.
So I'm glad that you enjoyed playing that, and hopefully the viewers and community did a bit as well. But yeah, we've got some good topics on this side, and I feel like it's always good to recap what we've said on the Snapchat before, right? And talk about the cards that come out, because we like to get hyped up. I feel like we were pretty good on my side not getting too crazy. But you know, we were excited for this season for sure.
It definitely was an exciting season. I mean, we've got one of the most notable tech cards in the history of Marvel snap. And it's a lot of reason to get excited. I think me and you are just, we're excitable dudes are at the same time. But one thing I will say is like evaluating cards while playing them is incredibly difficult, right? It's incredibly difficult, but overall I'm really interested in this discussion because I think that.
Going back and taking a look at how we you know, rank cards and how we're going to kind of rank them. Now, I think speaks volumes to how impactful some of these cards have been on the medic. Cause I think we've had some extreme meta shakers. So let's dive right into the conversation. So we're gonna be talking about the cards that came out. In September, okay, and we're going to be doing our final rankings and analysis on them. We've had our chance to play them, we've used them in decks.
Countless hours of conquests and ranked. Cozy, where do you want to start? You want to start like, at the top? You want to start at the bottom? What do you want to do? Let's start at the bottom.
Oh yeah, okay. Like Moby
is the number. Number four. What would you give the lowest ranked card of the season? I would dare to guess I might know what it is Cozy, but let's see what you got to say.
Yeah, I think the one that we definitely whiffed on the most and I'll say this Alex I'll say that I think we were maybe like a smidge hard on her But obviously Ravonna Renslayer is the worst card of the month, but I'm gonna give her a 2 star instead of like a 1 or 1.5 But she's still bad.
2 star is fine. 2 star is fine. She's bad, but it's just Nordic came down to, worse with Ravonna. That's the slogan that kind of stayed in my head, worse with Ravonna. And that's kind of what happened with the decks, but it's just, it's kind of unfortunate because it was kind of like a cursed card if you think about it. You had Mobius coming out next month. And the pool of cards that it was buffing, yes, you had the Darkhawk, but Darkhawk was already on its way down.
Zabu was going to get hit by Mobius anyways. So you had all these kind of things stacking against Ravonna. And maybe we were a little too high on like its potential combo centric play. Ultimately, it's going to be probably the weakest link in September. Which, I mean, is not that big a deal, because this is the kind of card, like we said before, it's going to age like fine wine.
As more cards come out, as more cards come out, there's going to be cards coming out every single week for the rest of the history of Marvel Snap. Ravonna has a chance to positively impact that card, right? Positively be a key component in the cog of that machine, so... I, listen, I have the card in my in my deck, in my collection, not in my decks, in my collection, let me correct. And I'm waiting for its opportunity to come out and shine.
Yeah, I played with her a bit over the last, like, couple days in Patriot, and I actually think, like, if the community got together, we could find decks that are better with her, but, there, it's just, she's such a hard card to make work overall. She's going to be a candidate for an OTA. There's no question because they want their cards to be good. You could just look at the stats with her and they're gonna be like, yeah, this one just did not land and ultimately She's a series 5.
They're gonna want to or I guess series 4. They're gonna want to Sell her per se right on future spotlights So I, for that reason, A, I see her getting better, but also yeah, I think there's better days ahead for Ravonna. Mobius will calm down a little bit as we continue to move forward. People are already still not playing him enough. But I think we can both agree Ravonna is, is at number four.
Yeah, but I have a question for you. What do you do with Ravonna? Like, do you, do you think you go right to two costs first? Or do you maybe make her a three, four or three, five? See if that extra power kind of buoys her up a little bit.
Yeah. Either match her with Loki. If you're not going to take him down and make her a three, five or bring her down to two. Because they said they experimented with bringing her down to two, I just, I feel like that's probably what they're gonna do with her first, right? Yeah, it's just, again, she's just an awkward play because of Curve, right?
So if they can fix that, Like, if a Za is tough if he's bad Curve too, because you just don't you don't have enough Turns to take advantage of what you're trying to do for the most part, right? I would say two costs.
Yeah Yeah, really? Okay. Yeah, I can see that being the case. All right cozy. I'll let you lead the way with number three What do you think is the third slotted card for our final rankings in september? Dang?
I was I was I was I'm gonna pass the torch to you, but it's coming my way, because I think we can all say all three of these cards are kind of, like, neck and neck, and it's, it's so weird, man. It's weird to put them here.
Ultimately, dude, I guess I'm gonna put Mobius here, which, like, at this point, I think we can all just say all three of these cards, just by that statement, all of these cards are pretty meta defining if I'm putting Mobius here at three, and it speaks to how damn good Elioth and Loki are. It's crazy, because Loki and Elioth I see getting a nerf in some capacity, eventually, honestly, if I'm being candid about it. Mobius, I don't.
Mobius, though, is the most general, insane card, and he's so good, like, all these are S tier cards in my book. I have them all as just top tier cards. Alioth is probably what you would put here, or most people would put here, but Alioth is just filthy. He's a filthy card. What are your thoughts?
I think my thoughts are, we're gonna have a bit of a debate here. This is wild. I did not expect you to put triple M here at number three. No way would I have expected that. This is where I had Loki. And I can see it on your face, you're like, seriously Alex, what, what are you thinking? Putting Loki below triple M and Alioth. Hear me out here, and this is based on today since the release of triple M Loki has been a more lackluster list. It's still good.
It still wins Okay, it still does its thing, but it doesn't do its thing as good because of Mobius It really doesn't and I think that like the weekend missions You're seeing anyone just running Mobius and decks that kind of can take advantage of Loki a little bit are just feasting right now And I'm just I'm trying to get that gold I'm playing Loki decks and it plays horribly against Mobius. It's not unwinnable. What I often found myself doing was leaning towards like, okay, they have Mobius.
I'm going to play my devil dinosaur line. If I have collector road, I'll play my Loki on six to pump the collector. And then I can refill my hand with double dinosaur and snow garters. Like the different lines I think are super good with Loki. But for me, in terms of like the way it feels right now today, as of recording, I feel like Loki. Is less, I don't want to say less meta, but we're talking about really good cards here, right? We're talking about S tier cards.
But it's not doing what Oliath is doing. And it sure as hell didn't do to the meta what Mobius is doing right now. Mobius has had like this, like, numbing effect on the meta. All the top decks kind of just went a little lower because of Mobius. I don't know. I slot Loki here. I know you like, you think it's complete anarchy that I'm doing this.
No, I mean, I think it's... Again, all three of these. I didn't know going into this subject we were gonna rank them in order, right? So I just had my star ratings for them And then I had to think about on the spot like what I would put I think Loki is the best deck in the game Right now still and you just put Mobius with Loki and he's still the best deck in the game or wait for it You play Loki and you get their Mobius.
They have it in the deck You just play that first and then you get to have your explosive turn six Or turn five, or whatever, right? So like, it's funny, he's so good to counter Wave and Sarah, but he's better with Wave and Sarah. And so, ultimately, Loki's just right now on a consistent basis, the deck I fear the most in Infinity Conquest. Thus, I have to have it as the highest ranked card, and I think Loki rewards players. Loki's not good at low ranks. He's not.
And not to, like, offend people at low ranks. It's not what I'm trying to do. More of, like, the more you're the casual doesn't have a super good grasp on what deck they're playing against all the time. They're just hanging out. They're playing the game. If you know what you're going against, Loki's very easy. And you have four different play lines that you're gonna do with Loki, depending on the deck you're going against, right? So all these are great cards.
I just have Mobius here as, like, the long term winner, sure. But as far as just, like, what has happened this month? I haven't met the third spot feels weird, but yeah, that's my, my personal take there.
And the month as a whole, I mean, Loki definitely smashed up this month, pretty hard. Like Loki had an impact. Loki had an impact. It's just the way I felt this weekend playing Loki with Mobius on the board with Mobius in the meta. It's not the, it Loki felt borderline unfair the first week and now it feels much more vulnerable is what I'm trying to say. For sure. And so like, from that standpoint, it's like, that's why I kind of bring it back a little bit, but I totally get your argument.
Also. I mean, let's be honest. You love Loki. Cause you love Loki, right? That's the other side to it. Right. So that's why you'll always find a way to love an aero deck. Biased. I'm calling it now. Bias.
Please do. Please do. At number two, then do you have. Would you have, who do you have?
Loki? I had, I put a lieth down at number two. Because I feel like, yeah, I mean, It's so funny how we got these all mixed up. What was your number two again?
My number two is Alioth. So,
Okay, so we agree on this part. We agree on this part. It's the one and three that we have flipped. Yeah, we So, let's hear your thoughts on Alioth first. I'm interested.
Aw, dude, it's like, I feel bad because the card that usually, like, the community likes to come together and hate, I'm like, Yeah! I just don't feel that way. I love Alioth. I think he's, he's probably my most played card this month, by a long shot. I have to restrict myself from putting him in decks that I throw on, or if I, like, I have him in a deck. I just do alternates that you can put in there. He rewards. Listen, I just think that people got very used to how to play Snap.
Or how to abuse it in a way. Where Eli just says nope. Now does he need counterplay? Probably. Should the cards at least reveal? Probably. I don't know. I think that's how you adjust them rather than power. He needs to have a little bit of power there. But my god, dude. He's just a winner. He, he, he. You can focus and change the game from a three location game to a one location game with just a little sprinkle on another location. And that's what all the decks do.
Lockdown, even the toxic archetype that I was playing with him. Ramp, who cares about Galactus? Dude, he's so good. He's such a good card. I love him.
Yeah, and the thing I really like about Elioth specifically that maybe goes understated is he made initiative matter again. Exactly. When I'm playing an Elioth based deck, when I'm designing an Elioth based deck, I really focus on what initiative looks like. How I can control the board state, how I can control the locations. It's a much room. It's a much more macro centric. Approach to Marvel snap. And I think that what it does is it pays off on turn six. You know what I mean?
Like all those small things you do throughout the course of a game to either maintain initiative, to seal off and close off locations, or basically make them unwinnable for your opponent. Therefore encouraging the play where you can predict those are like six turn entire game plays to that culminate in your Elias play for sometimes for your opponent, they're just, they're getting hit by the Elias, but you've built to that.
And that's kind of where, like, I feel some sympathy for the Alioth lovers out there that are, like, feeling bad because they're playing Alioth, because it's such a... It feels like it's, it's the new villain, to some degree, right now. Galactus got brought down a little bit. Goliath sorry, Goliath. Alioth dodged that nerf.
But you kind of earn it sometimes even with the soul reads we've talked about like it's not an easy card to play It just feels like it's an easy card to play when you wipe out three cards on their side of the board
It's I don't know man. It's just funny that community won't get mad about a kitty pride that's like a billion stats followed by a taskmaster and then all of a sudden like Alioth is a feel bad card to lose to. He is, right? Like, you'll take a, an ass whoopin by a 28 Taskmaster. Like, ah, fair play. But Alioth gets played, and you're like, they're cheating. Right? So it's, it's just the way it makes you feel. I understand it. It's one that I think is fine.
I think he maybe could have balance with Counterplay a tad bit. But I've played I have 554 boosters right now for the card, okay? So... With those boosters, I can say that there's so many games that Alive was not gonna win it for me, and I had to resort to something else, or I just lost that round, right? Or game, or whatever. With the consistency of how much I've played, I feel like that he's close, if not fine, as a card. He's just damn good.
He's a damn good card that changed the way it was played.
Do you think it'd be better or worse that, like, if someone loses to Alioth, instead of saying, like, DEFEATED, if you play Alioth with initiative and delete their cards, it says DELETED.
Yeah. Or just Alioth.
Or do you think that would just tilt them worse?
Alioth with a D E D. Alioth. Yeah you know, probably, probably pissed off even more players. But, yeah, he's gonna just be a card. Listen, it's tough to add these cards in the game, and it's cards that obviously Glenn adds for reasons in the game. He's just, he's, He's tough. The people that hate him are gonna hate him. Like, there's no converting those people, right? Like, they are gonna hate a life until he gets nerfed and then declamer for it.
Unfortunately, I'm just not one of those people yet. Yeah, yeah, I'll put that on there. But yeah, he's, he's both for number twos and then we have one and three swap, flopped. Yeah.
Yeah, last question about Elioth, this is interesting. I thought about this and I want your opinion on it. Do you think that Elioth's design is better or worse than the original Spider Man? It's something that kind of crossed my mind. I wanted to bring it up on the Snapchat. Don't, the original Spider Man that blocked off the location. I feel like Elioth kind of does that by proxy.
To some degree, like it basically completely nullifies the location on a turn, but there's a, there's that soul read element to it, whereas Spider Man did not have that soul read. So I'm interested in your thoughts between the two, Alioth and Spider Man and those two designs.
The thing is, five drops are borderline the most important card in Snap, and so you with Alioth get to play a five drop, and with a Spider Man that was turned into a five drop, right, like that's... It was tough. That's what the one I'm speaking on. So you get to have the impactfulness, whatever that might be, of your five drop. Like, you arrow them over there, and then you get to just have that free lane to play a life. And that's the biggest...
Dude, playing Spider Man, like, you were giving up turn five, and then you had like... Yeah, they were blocked off from that lane, but sometimes it was like, just like, I hope this works, or whatever. And then you could Dr. Doom it, but that's usually not enough. Cause you didn't have the impact of whatever they got to do on five for that rea does that make sense?
Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's just, it crossed my mind. I thought it was an interesting discussion point.
I have a follow up question because we already know our 3, I think we don't have to talk crazy about Loki and Mobius too much more. Let's go to last month and say the best card of last month was X23, does that break number 3 on this month? Does that break Mobius and up, or Loki and up? I don't think so, yeah?
No, no. I think, I think that X23 falls under those cards. Like if I were to evaluate all of them together, I would say that Elioth, Loki, and Mobius, and Mobius are stronger cards than X23, on aggregate. Month prior was Legion. I still think... Right? It's still better! I still think that Elioth... Loki and Mobius and Mobius are better than Legion.
June, we don't even have one in contention. What about Iron Lad or High Evo? I think both of those at least could punch up.
High Evo, High Evo punches up for sure. Iron Lad, I, listen, I know you're high on Iron Lad where I'm not. Like I, we, we know this, we've talked about this before. But I think we can both agree High Evo's been one of the most meta defining cards released in Snap. Because like it's just accessible for basically any point, I shouldn't say that, it's a Series 5 card that's not necessarily accessible.
But if you unlock it, It's decks become increasingly accessible because you have most of them already. I think that Evo definitely punches up for sure.
So if we listen, we hype this season up listeners, viewers, but to the point. I would say, arguably, you have Jeff, HiEvo, Legion, in the area. Maybe Jeff and HiEvo for sure, right? That even get close to these three cars in terms of relevancy and what they've done and how good they are in the game. That's how, I don't even call it power creep, I just think that what they bring to what they do is insane. And we've known about this month forever.
I, we, go back to June, we were saying, save your spotlights. For the September month and it lived up, it lived up to the hype, say what you will, it lived up to it, and it's good to see that, because we've had a few months where they don't, and this is definitely one that they have.
Alright Cozy, the next discussion I think is a really important one, one of the most important that we'll have, and that's a discussion about the Spotlight Caches that are coming in October. Spotlight Caches are damn expensive, they're rare. And for free to play players and Pretty much everybody making a plan on how you intend to roll on your spotlight caches is going to be important.
So today we're going to talk about October spotlight caches, and we're going to be going through them, getting our opinions, our thoughts, and seeing which ones are the ones that might provide you with the most value as a player in Marvel snap, trying to get the most bang for your buck cozy. Let's start with October 2nd to 9th. That is going to be the week of Thanos. X23 and Echo. Now, I, I'm kind of laughing because, like, did I just name three of your favorite cards of Marvel Snap or what?
Yeah, right, I mean, three cards I like a lot, and even with that, it's like, Man, it's just a tough week. It's a tough week. You don't have a new card in there. Thanos is in a bad spot at the moment, even though he'll have Synergy. It is Thanos. He's one of the most fun cards to play. If you didn't get X 23, it's awesome. How dare they put X 23 in this first week? Just like they put Jeff in the last one. They know what they're doing here. I the, these cards.
If the, if this was a week with a new card, good god. It's spicy, dude. It's tough without one. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it's the week with Elsa. Right. Which is kind of a why they do it this way, so like, I get it. I think they're, what they're trying to do is they're trying to keep, okay, Elsa comes out. That's a good like, And the next week we get man thing. The next week, if you, if you release two brand new cards, it's like, you know, you just run, you're running through the inventory. You want to keep people, you got to keep that carrot on a stick going.
I think that's why they do it the way they do. It makes sense if you really think about it, but I mean, it kind of hurts me because like, if Thanos was. In its original state with the soul. So I still can't believe it. It's the soul stone change that really took Thanos legs out. Like this is an amazing bundle. Cause I do think that like Thanos, I don't care even if it's not bad right now. If it's not great right now, I still think this is a fantastic card. It's a five star card.
You want your, your collection. You always want it. X23, for me, it's a four star card. I think you always want it, right? I know for you, you're even literally, potentially even higher on it. But like, it is, it is a staple in Destroy, right? Like, you don't really make a Destroy list without X23, right?
No, and that's, that's where it's like, it's super tough, right? Because if the random slot didn't exist, I'm like, Oh man, this is definitely, if you don't have any of these cards, definitely open one up, right? Like, just see what you get if you get Thanos Great X23. But if you get the tokens, it's like...
You gotta be kidding me, X 23 is not dropping anytime soon, Thanos is never dropping, and then Echo is a cool consolation prize, I would probably, people are gonna be the most mad if they were to pull only that. It's just tough, not having a new card in this, in this one. That, that's what, that's what I come back to. If you're a Destroy player though, and you don't have these cards, it's a banger week, man. This is a Destroy Thanos list, like, I'm pretty much right here without the Echo.
The X23 Thanos, and who knows, you might just get Thanos so you can get out. If you get X 23 as your first poll, second poll, get out. Just stop is what I, ortho anos if you're going for both of those, right?
Yeah, I agree. Okay. That being said, like I do like echo though. Like I, we've talked about this in the past. You've converted me from an echo doubter to an echo believer and I think the card's better. It's just, it's the meta, it's not meta irrelevant. It's, it's not the time for echo yet. I agree. And until we get. The, the ongoing season, right? Echo's always going to feel like a potential risk.
Although if Jean Grey ever becomes really, really, I mean, Jean Grey is kind of making a bit of a comeback and Jean Grey really likes Echo, right? To some degree. But yeah, overall though, this is a pretty good week. I think if you're a free to play player and you don't have Thanos and X 23, I think you can confidently roll for those two. It feels like a good week, but if you have these cards and if Echo's the one you're missing, you skip, you skip Echo all day long, I think.
Thanos is really the prize, I think, if you don't have him yet. And X 23 is definitely like a very, very close second just because it's so damn good. And you're right, it ain't dropping anytime. And nothing's dropping anytime soon. I'm not going that soon.
Yeah, yeah, what's your star rating on the week?
My star rating? I give this week, this one here, approximately like a three or four. I lean towards like three or four. Just simply on the fact that Thanos is what Thanos is, X 23 is what X 23 is, and I do believe in Echo overall. I think that if you don't have these cards, like, it's worth rolling for Thanos for sure.
No, I like it. I think there's something to be said about like, yeah, you don't get the new card, but like, also, cards are still good from the past, right? So if you don't have them, I agree. This is 5 for me. The other thing that's important is to look ahead. In the next two weeks, you don't need to roll, in my humble opinion. Honestly, that's three weeks. Like, yeah, we'll get to them in a second, but like, keep that in mind as we talk about these other ones.
If you, look where you're at with these spotlight caches, and if you're like, but I only have five, or four, and there's weeks coming out. Keep in mind with what we're about to say, right? So. Week number two, Alex is man thing, which we talked about on my side. Silver samurai in lady death strike. Alex, are you hot on this week? Do you hate it? I think we could both just say right now man thing is the only series for drop, right?
Yeah, you this is one of those weeks where you don't roll your caches and you spend your tokens Yes, if you really want man thing you spend your 3000 tokens. You save your cash as you move on with your life That's it's that simple. This is like I don't want to say one star, but you don't roll this week I don't think if you really want You get man thing. Silver Samurai is not meta defining it. It goes into decks, it goes into dis into discard decks. Okay. Lady? Death strike. Lady Death strike.
The variant's cool. The variant's cool, I guess. But outside of that, like, it's, it's a Missable card, right? Who really caress right now? I think this is a pretty low week. I, this is like, I don't wanna say one star, but it's, it's like one or two star.
I'm skipping this week. And like, and that, that's rare because I go off to all the variants, but like, Manthing's base variant slaps. I love it. I, I, like, it reminds me of like, Goosebumps. Yeah. So, people that hate Manthing are gonna hate it. Like, it's just not their card, man. They don't like playing with fire, I get it. For the, like, mass, like, general person, I would say Manthing's like a good card to grab for 3k. An absolutely good card to grab for 3k.
Silver Samurai is, you can miss him, it's fine. Lady Deathstrike, you can definitely skip her in my opinion as well. It's not a weak that I would go for whatsoever. And then even if you, if you don't play Toxic, like, don't worry about Man Thing. But if you do, or if you're even interested in trying it, wait for some videos. Check out what we have to say. Odds are, it's gonna make Toxic a lot better. Week 3 is Black Knight, Stature, and Modok.
Yeah, you got it. Black Knight, Stature, and Modok which is kind of funny because how many times are we going to put Stature and Modok into these polling caches, right? But before we talk about it, you actually touched on something really important I want to say. What Cozy just said is so important. Wait. Just wait. Right. Like, don't like, I know you get the spotlight cashes. You want to roll them. You want the new thing. But if you just wait like a couple of days, right.
There's a chance like, Oh wait, man thing. Look at this deck. It's 65 percent win rate. Oh my God. Right. And then, okay, you get it, spend it. Right. But if it's like, Oh, look at man thing. 27 percent win rate, right? Like Ravonna rank slayer territory. Then like, yeah, just don't, don't spend it. You're going to be happy. You waited. Right. Especially if you're free to play, I think patience is a virtue with these. Yeah. Okay, let's get back to the week.
October 16th to 23, we have Black Knight, Stature, and Modok. I mean, Stature and Modok are cards I like, but... What does, what card just came out that really destroys Stature? Yeah, right? Might be one of the best cards ever released? Which, which one's cozy?
That's the thing, it's like the flavour of these cards are fun. But it's like, eh, but will it, but will it work? Or will it be worth it? Stature is like, I love that they do Stature in MODOK, cause they're anticipating this to be the discard week. So here's Stature to counter that, essentially is what they're saying. Black Knight's best synergy card is neither of these two. In my MODOK, obviously we've talked about where that could work. We can stand by MODOK as a good card.
Because of the line, the linear approach to it all. Man, again, I'm gonna say it. If you're dis Carter for life or you get that across your chest and you have a, you have a ous tattoo, get it. But this is skippable. Yeah.
It's definitely skippable. And it's unfortunate because like, when I, when I look at it, I'm like, okay, Modoc is a fantastic discard card, but it's already been here. It's already been, there's a chance that you have Modoc, right? It's also series four. You have the series four stature gets destroyed by triple M. And then you have black night, which I mean, we just talked about black night. And I think I, we were lukewarm.
We were lukewarm on black night because like it has potential at the same time. It's like, does it really do what you want? Does it really do what you want? So it feels very skippable, especially knowing that like there are people out there that these these caches are, they're hard to come by. They're hard to come by for everybody. And so, yeah, I think that this is one of the ones you week, this is like, this is a two star week for you. Like it's hard to say.
Oh man. I honestly, to me, it's just a pass. It's a pat and that's why it's like week one's more appetizing. Cause you're like, well, yeah. Okay.
At least it's Thanos week one, right? You got Thanos, a big bad, you got X 23, basically one of the big bads of Destroy, and it's not Null, but it's, you know what I mean, right? Like, it's the basis of Destroy right now. Yeah, dude. None of this matters, really.
We haven't talked about, we're not gonna talk about November, I don't think we need to whatsoever, but what I will say is that just looking ahead at what is planned to, I know Elioth and Loki they're all supposed to be dropped in that month. Along with the new card. So if I was free to play, like, my Like, my mindset would be like Dude, just ignore the hype on this. Like, get Elsa She's a banger. And then hold out And probably open week 5. We'll get to that But does that make sense?
Like, just looking at these It's like, I could give it a 3 star, a 2 star But it's like No, man, I don't think so. I think we just talked about, what did we just talk about? How good those cards were. And if you're missing any of those, it's like, get them, go get them while you can. You know,
I agree. Then we move on to the next week, which is October 23 to 30th. We have a Niko Minoru is a Minoru. I don't even know if I'm saying whatever I say, everything I, at this point, me mispronouncing things is, is the, the meme at this point, then we've got kitty pride. And then we have Phoenix force. Is this like what the ninth time we said the word Phoenix force on this podcast?
Yeah, I know. It's like that his podcast is brought to you by Phoenix force.
Phoenix force. Yeah, I know. I'm okay. This is a weird one because Nico. We just finished talking about like Deco is like, well, how do you even evaluate this card? Right? It's like it's gonna be either end of the spectrum Not like it's either gonna be complete on mitigated filth or pretty damn legit. There's no middle ground. There's no middle guy It's a 60 percent win rate card or it's a 15 percent win rate card.
Nothing in the middle So like that's hard to evaluate right off the bat But then you got Kitty Pryde, with what I will say is one of the most beautiful variants in the game. Talk about one of the best spotlight cats that ever released. That is a Kim variant. It is absolutely beautiful. That's a cover art variant, if my Marvel lore serves me correct. I might be wrong, but someone in the comment section will know.
Listen, Kitty, if you don't have Kitty already, it's worth, it's worth getting Kitty. But, Phoenix Force and Nico? Kitty Pryde, you probably, you probably already have. Cozy, another Skip Rooney, or what?
Yeah, so, first of all, if you like fun and Marvel Snap, you can give a rip about your rank. This is a fun week, man. You get Phoenix and Nico. Those are like, fun ass cards. Oh, I would say with this week, this is the most, just wait, like, see how Nico is, if Nico's a legion, if Nico's the next best card, dude, fire away. Get yourself a kitty.
Pride and, and, and Nico. But even if though, if you're a player that would have Kitty and Phoenix, And then Niko's Fire, you probably just buy Niko with the tokens, maybe, but the 6000, yeah. If it was like, Lesion. Risking the roll. If it was Lesion, like, worthy, yeah. But no, this is a skipper. This is but if you like fun, man, go for it. But this is this is a skipper. Even if you have Like, Elsa and Kitty is gonna be so good, I just see there being other packages there, right?
That you could probably end up rolling anyway, and again, talking about weeks coming out, I will say I love that they have synergy here between Nico, Kitty, and Phoenix. This is like, it all works with Elsa, and this week works together. But yep, sadly, which I know it's like, oh, bummer, but hey, like, Those that opened in Destroy It that we told you not to, and you didn't get to open up in September, this is the same thing, man. I think November's got some good stuff.
November's kind of online with this week, too, as far as the new cards go. It's like, there's some really cool stuff, and again, we'll talk about that later on. But Week 5, Alex, is this the, the Crown Jewel?
It is. This is by far the week of the, of October, and I don't think it even comes close, right? I mean, maybe week one, if you're a free to play player, comes close, but not quite. You've got Werewolf by night. You've got Silk. You've got Ghost Spider. Now, naturally, the Ghost Spider's gonna be the weaker of the bunch, but listen. Did Silk not make your top ten two cost cards of the week last week? Like seriously, Silk has been chef's kiss, super good. It's okay.
Since last week, I played a lot more Silk with Jean Grey, by the way. Cause I like, listen, I like playing the stuff we talk about. You, you often like implant these thoughts in my head. Like maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I got to do what Cozy's saying. Right. So I've been playing some of the Silk, a lot more Silk, a lot more Jean Grey. I'm like, damn. Cause he's right. So it gets so good.
Like, yeah, you can't really reliable, reliably do the math on like where the two fives going to be, but that's a two five that's bouncing around. It's five damn power. It's going to put up points. It's going to help you out eventually. Yeah. There's some cursed gameplay every once in a while, but if you're not getting screwed by silk, you're getting screwed by the locations or whatever. Right. So, you know, I've, I've come around on silk just in the last seven days cozy.
So. It definitely raises the bar of this particular package.
Yeah, this is Elsa Bloodstone Week, right? Like, all these cards benefit from Elsa. Maybe even a tease at Glenn saying, Hey, check out Ghost Spider. I think she's going to work. I mean, what's cool is the fact that you could play, essentially, Werewolf on the end cap of Elsa's lane, power him up there. Then you play Ghost Spider and you could pull that. The thing that kind of sucks is you pull the...
You pull the werewolf to that lane, and then the on reveal wouldn't work with that, so it's kind of anti synergistic there. But it kind of has some stuff going for it. This is a good week, man. I think werewol The wolf is gonna be great. We can both say that. I think it's gonna be a really cool card. Silk is great. In Ghost Spider, I was reminded from the Toxic gameplay.
I would use obviously Doc Ock and Ghost Spider is awesome, but even like Spider Woman, like, I've done my job, I put a negative four over there, or most of the time, and then I pulled her to another lane, and now I have ten power on that lane. Ghost Spider, if you like five drops, and your deck is designed about around five, Drops being powerful. She's great, dude. She's awesome to be playing on turn six.
So I do like her I think this is a good week man, and it's a good week going into the next season So you could go like week one week four and then say for november is probably like for an average person a good plan
A werewolf by night, I think is going to be the highest conviction, new card And so like in this package, like I think Ghostbiter for playing move, you need to consider playing Ghostbiter. Silk is meta relevant, Werewolf is potentially meta relevant. So I think this is a strong week to roll on generally speaking. And I mean, that actually brings us to a excellent kind of segue to our next point of discussion. It's getting your hands on cards that are not series 5 anymore.
Now this has been a frustrating thing for a lot of players, and I'm gonna be candid. I'm gonna be can I'm starting to share that frustration with you guys. I don't I don't own one card in Marvel Snap. That's Jeff. Not Jeff, sir. I own Jeff. I naturally own Jeff. Howard! Sorry. Going from one one very cute animal card to another. Howard the Duck is the only card not in my collection. I'm not going to spend, I'm not going to spend 6, 000 tokens on Howard the Duck. It's going to drop.
You know what, I told myself that like, I don't know, 3 months ago? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's going to drop, and it just never did. Series drops have seemingly disappeared, and I think that it is a significant source of frustration for the community. At first I was apologetic, now I'm getting pissed off too. So it's like, these gotta happen eventually, right Cozy?
Yeah, I mean we talked about it, whether it was last week or the week prior to that. But we kinda said like, I think it was last, like where are they? Like where are what exactly, right? And I think spotlights are fine for what they've been. However, they're getting uglier by the month, right? Snap players are snap players, they want to complain about everything. There's two kind of states, right? And what I mean, like, this is what I see, right?
So, great example, I saw SquirrelGirl gets a 1 2, and people are looking at datamined buffs, and they're like... Marvel Snap made Squirrel Girl better to try to make them sell packs. First of all, probably, sure, but a 1 2 SQ is still pretty damn irrelevant in the game, right? If they want to sell some zombies, let them, let them for it.
But then on the other side of things, the whole variant, like I was like I was opening my series drops and I got like a random, I don't even remember, and I was like, what the hell, this wasn't on anything. It was because I had the high evil one and I like repeated that whole special variant. The way, the planning behind, and second in there if you're listening, the planning behind spotlights and what they did has gotten uglier and they need to get ahead of it. ASAP.
We gotta get ahead of it of like, what's the plan in the future, what are the variants in the future, why are we, why are we repeating cards, where are the series drops, these all play together, in kind of one dance and you're close, you're close, but it, it is, it's, it's like, it's comical not to have some of these cards as a series drop now other than like, you just don't want to, like a great example, and, and I know we're gonna talk about like, which cards we want to drop and when it, But
like Darkhawk. Like, make him Series 3, right? Like, he opens up an archetype. As players progress and new players, if they get Darkhawk, they can start building a really cool deck around that. Alex, I think Kitty Honestly, I think Kitty Pryde should be a Series 3 drop. She came to everybody for free! Why not just make her a series three that that's my personal thoughts is these cards that open up the game more? These players that are getting into it
Yeah So we go from no drops to kitty pride from five directly to three that would be wild what a change of pace that would Be I think that first of all, you're not wrong You're absolutely not wrong. Like Kitty Pryde is probably one of the cards that should drop but won't. Like there's three cards in my my eyes Mike, you know what? These are cards are probably should be dropping and they I don't think they will. They just won't. You have Jeff? Jeff ain't dropping. I don't care.
Jeff ain't dropping. Nope. Does Iron Lad drop?
No, no, no, I don't think iron lad drops. Nope.
So of the, of that, so that's the three. So it's kitty pride, iron lad and Jeff are the three that I think are like the ones that kind of like get put into a different category. Kitty's probably the most likely to drop because of his prior availability. The fact that it was released to everybody. Right. Am I, am I wrong?
That's why I, that's why I kind of felt like, like a series three, because you, you gave it to everybody for free. Those that are like, you never want to do anything against new players coming to your game to start out. Right. But like, at that point it's, it's a one drop that has such a significant advantage that it would be well worth it. And I get there's people listening like, well I bought Giddy Pride for 6k, I, like, that's just how it works, alright.
To me, I want to look at the drops, and I want to look at these new cards that have been out and released, and say which ones really amplify, not make the archetype sexier, but give you new access, right? So, like, for example, X23 is never gonna drop, but also, like, it makes Destroy sexier, per se. It's just, it's tough where to find the balance, but we've got to have some type of a plan, like for instance, these are the ones that need to be S3, no question. Spider Ham I think could be argued.
Howard, Negasonic, Stegron, Master Mold. Go to, all those need to be series 3. Just get them out of the way. Those don't need to be spotlight cards whatsoever. And then they need to hold like what, what do they bring to the game to compliment cards. They're cards that are I mean four of those suck. And then two of them are compliment cards. Make them S3. There's no reason not to. Is my thought at least.
Yeah, I agree that the concern I have is that like we're also framing this from a perspective of power Like we should not be gating power behind series either and that's kind of happening with Jeff and iron lad Right and like listen, they should just drop like anything else if Jeff is the best card in the game It shouldn't matter.
It should still drop like everyone else's and we just the fact that we're like, oh, I ain't dropping I think that's part of the problem right like it should eventually drop like Anything else just like X 23, like you said in passing, like, and you're right. It's it ain't going to drop, but it should be dropping like anything else.
Right. If they do, they need to do one or the other prove to us and have like snow guard or some of these cars go from five to one to one, five to three. Right. And have that like new introduction to series drops where it's like, kind of just like these, they don't feel right. Whatever it is. And I get it. It's not just like power cards. Right. You can have other examples. Have it that way, which you've already showed like Mobius was a series four card off the bat. That's awesome, right?
Like we've already had Legion was two I think yeah, so like we're having really good cards at series four Do that or just go back to regular schedule maintenance, baby And then you have predictability again like one or the other have to happen I think so.
I agree a hundred percent cozy. You're exactly right. It has to be one of the two. And like, if you go to schedule maintenance, we like, so we, we did the work here. The cards I should have dropped are ghost spider should have went from five to four hit monkey. Should have went from five for him. Monkey has been a long time, right? Howard, the duck should be five to four silk should be five to four. And it's now in a spotlight cash. And then Nebula. Now that's a big one.
Nebula from five to four. I think the Nebula low key is still probably one of the higher win rate, most played cards in the game that no one talks about. Like that is in so many decks, so many meta relevant decks, and it's still hanging out at series five.
Do you think this is a good conversation? Do you think season pass cards are series droppers or they're perfect for spotlights? Cause it's kind of interesting. I don't mind that low, like, like Loki coming as a spotlight in November. It's like, Oh, that's kind of cool. I, I. If they made it the season after... I love it as a spotlight. So if Loki was a spotlight this season, I think it's perfect. I think it's, that's how it should kind of work.
Cause then you get the card for free without paying for it and you get to open it. I don't know.
That's fantastic for free to play. Like if the last week of every season is always last season, season pass card or week, that would be cool. Right? Like, so it's basically like a, it's like the two months you don't even have to do the series drop basically. Then you add to series five all to the spotlight cash. That would be a very, very clean thing. I like that. I actually like that a lot. I think that's kind of fair to free to play players.
I mean, it sucks still like not having access to like a low key for two months or whatever, depending on where it falls. But yeah, like I think that that's much more fair. I think that the spotlight caches are way more accessible than tokens. There's no question about it to some degree. Anyways. I like that suggestion a lot. The continue of the conversation though, you touched on a lot of them, but here are the cards that are overdue for a series four to three drop.
And some of these people have forgotten are still hanging out in series four. Dark Hawk. You already mentioned should have gone from four to three already. It's like, this is months now. No. Null is still a series 4 card, Cozy. Can you believe it? That Null is still a series 4 card. It makes no sense. Like that, did you kind of momentarily forget that Null was season 4 or what?
No, it's almost like Null, I put in this category of just like a boss card. You know what I mean? Like I hate to say it's almost like I get, for whatever reason, I get that he's a series 4. I, does that make sense? Like, it's like, oh yeah, well, like he's kind of like, he's like the end of Destroy. Like the final level, you know, like once you've mastered that. But yeah, it's like a timing wise. He came out, we're coming on an effing year. He came out in December.
Yeah, it's crazy. Then master mold Negasonic in stature, stature would be the one from a time standpoint, which would be the next one to drop and it's in a spotlight cash. So very interesting cards there. One thing I want to preface here is that like. From my understanding, the series drops aren't gone. It's not that Second Dinner says they're not doing them anymore. It sounds like they're waiting for the right time to reintroduce them.
Like I said, they gotta get the variants and stuff figured out. I know. It's just a mess. Like that old... Listen, I love people behind... I love the creators of Snap. What I want to say though is like... We're due for like a good like quality of life update and or and we've talked about this and or like on Ben Brode's Announcement stuff like that. There's like a little section to talk about kind of like how snaps doing now We have the anniversary coming up this month, which is awesome.
This is a good time to do it You know what I mean? Like I feel like we need a little bit of like like, let's talk as a community and tell you kind of what our plans are, not just a roadmap, but like, you know, thank you guys for, what, does that make sense?
Answer the hard questions. You want them to answer the hard questions.
Yeah, in which they do like on a regular basis on Discord and stuff and like they, they kill it at that. It, but it's like. They need to talk about, yeah, some of the stuff that's been lingering. Where like, people don't need to listen to the Snapchat to be reminded about the the first edition, whatever. Stuff like that. Like, just bring it back up instead of, it's like, in life, right?
When you wanna, like, just keep something buried, but it feels so much better just to open up and talk about it. Instead of not talking about first edition, just call it out. Just talk about it openly, right? Or, series drops. These need to be talked about openly.
Yeah, I agree because I think that the perpetuating silence around series drop might be one of the most frustrating parts. The fact that they're not happening, pissing people off. The fact that nothing's being said about them, pissing people off even more. I think that's kind of what's happening. The fact that it's been this silent treatment around series drop, which is obviously such a huge component of this game.
It's a card game that were the collection based system revolves around tokens, series drops and a collection track. And if all three are not firing on all cylinders, something's going to feel bad and whose experience suffers the player's experience suffers. Right. And so I agree a hundred percent. You have an opportunity in a couple of weeks here with the one year anniversary of Marvel Snap.
Answer the tough questions, make some big announcements, and give a little bit back to the community that has been patiently waiting for these series drops. Honestly, is it that hard? Is it really that hard to drop Megasonic down to pool three? Like, am I missing something here?
Yeah, I think it all comes back. I feel like it all comes back to the whole Spotlight system, which I can say like, again, you can look at it across the board even with a sound mind, like, Spotlights have been great for the game, they're fantastic, they're much better, much miles better than what we were dealing with. Just start tweaking it, don't take forever, that's kind of my process, but man, we'll see what happens. We got a few weeks till the anniversary.
Yeah, and as we kind of go on to the closing grace of this podcast, we should have mentioned Stegron too. Steggy got absolutely no love in this conversation. Steggy's the forgotten card of Marvel snaps. It has to get dropped eventually. But regardless Cozy, I think this is an absolutely fantastic conversation. I think they have to happen. I think we have to sometimes have the more difficult conversations, but ultimately I hope some positive comes from it.
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