What's going on guys. And happy Monday, Alioth drops tonight, the new nightmare and Marvel snap is coming to the game. We're going to talk about the best cards, combos, and most importantly counters. And if you should open your spotlight caches, we're also going to be talking about Loki by now you love him or you hate him. And today we're going to talk about the best way to counter the new season pass card.
And on that topic of hating cards, we're going to talk about our most hated cards in the month of September for Marvel snap. I'm gonna break all that down and more on today's episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. My god, it's Loki season. He has arrived, the iconic god. The trickster has made his way into Marvel Snap. How you doing, man? And how you feeling in the first week of the season?
I'm doing great cozy and it's been a wild ride this week an absolutely wild ride. it's been one of those weeks where like, you thought you knew what you were in for and then you get your hands on Loki and like the season just completely changes and the way the game is played and the meta is just thrown upside down altogether. I mean, for me, I love this. I love when we have major meta shakeups and we are living amongst one of the most turbulent metas that we've seen in a while.
Cozy and I'm all for it.
Yeah, you know what? I would love to go back and listen to our takes on Loki, because I know we we both thought he would be competitive. Actually, we both thought he was going to be good, but more fun than good. And it's funny, just, if there's ever energy reduction to a card, moving forward, we need to just not even really give a lot of takes, other than. It's going to be cracked.
However, we don't have all the pieces together because Mobius is obviously going to change that and we're going to be talking about Loki and all that here in just a moment. But other than that, we have a brand new season. The Infinite Leaderboards are out, which I thought had been, they'd been fun. But they're also crazy and how just losing a game can just throw you down. What do you think of that?
I think it's pretty cool. I think that giving ladder a little bit more meaning for people that want to engage with ladder in that way is important. I kind of came to the realization as much as I love conquest, like the length of time and the way that it's played might not be for everybody, right? Because, I mean, Marvel Snap was supposed to be a three to five minute game that you sit down and play and conquest obviously laughs in the face of that principle concept, right?
So, maybe it's not for everyone. So, I like them breathing some new life. Into ladder, although like for me, like I'm never going to grind to number one. I just, I just won't be there. Right. But at the same time, I like the idea of having a ranked based system to make the matches matter again, to make the snapping matter again, because listen, I like playing competitively. And when I just want to play a singular game, then I still want that game to matter.
So I think ladder is now achieving that once again, which I think is really important.
We've got ourselves a monster week because we have a nightmare of a card coming out in Alioth. We're going to break down that here in a moment. A good spotlight week, but Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the channel?
Cozy. We're going to be talking about a bunch of fun topics today, including our top 10 Favorite cards in September. Thus far. I mean, these aren't necessarily the best cards, just our favorite cards that we're enjoying the most right now in Marvel Snap. We're also going to have an important conversation, a conversation as to whether or not Loki is legitimately overpowered. I'm actually really interested in your take on that cozy.
Then finally, we'll be discussing some developer question answers. We'll be going through some of the Q and A's that have been going through on the developer discord and giving our takes on them as some feedback and as some discussion.
Oh man. So listen. No matter what we say on this episode today, whether you're listening or watching, we're gonna piss people off. I think Loki is one of those divisive cards in the sense of enjoyment factor and things around it, right? However, we're gonna speak the truth on, at least our truth, and behind kind of what our thoughts are on Loki. So we're gonna break down, is he OP busted on your side?
But we're gonna break down the card a little bit, entering Snap, our initial kind of thoughts, feelings around the card. I want to start with this. I wanted to talk a lot about Loki, but I will say I have never out I have never seen a card come into the game and immediately boost up another card to such significant levels Can you remember any card that has like I can't even say quadrupled in value the collector has gone absolutely insane
Yeah, nothing has ever done this to a singular card before, like you're right. And like by proximity, right? Like Loki has made the collector, one of the best cards in the game. I mean, you could make the argument for silk and Craven. Craven maybe got some love from silk, but like, even that's not even close to what's going on with collector right now. But overall, like it has been insane. What has been happening to the point that I'm seeing people calling for collector nerfs.
And remember, this was a card that had to get buffed because it was seeing literally no play.
And that's the thing, I can't wait to talk about, like, what do they do if they do anything at all to Loki. And, like, maybe Kitty and Angela was a good kind of pairing that went together. I like that they're a pairing. What's tough about Collector, and it's the same as Angela, is that they get their power late, and they don't have ongoing. Right? So it's this weird, how do you counter it? It's really only Shadow King, which we'll get to in a moment, to be like, the most reliable counter.
But yeah, we're getting ahead of ourselves just a bit. Let's talk Loki. So, first of all, man, just as a card just him in general. I mean, never mind if he was amazing or bad, I told you this when he came out. This card was designed for the way that I like to play Marvel Snap. I think we talked about it last week. It reminds me of Rocks and Hawks. It reminds me of, like, just making every single game fresh, exciting, a little bit chaotic.
And that is why at its core value, like I love Loki as a card and it reminds me right now, this whole season, the beginning of this reminds me of when high evil came out, it's almost like it's very similar in my eyes.
I mean, you're right. It's taken me back in time as well, but to a different spot. I remember when he first had conversations about. Conquest and cozy. I remember you being so high on agent Colson and everyone else was like, ah, agent Colson sucks. And cozy was like, no, I'm a believer of agent Colson. Agent Colson is going to be a great card for conquest. And it's this exact effect, right?
This idea of having this flashy kind of interesting take on a kind of a deck building and deck design that I think Loki and agent Colson work together so well for. So it doesn't surprise me that you like Loki. Cause I think it does fit your play style perfectly. And it just so happens to be an absolutely incredible effect as well.
Before I realized he was like going off like crazy immediately. It was like five games. I was like This is my favorite card Like I I was just enjoying the way that it worked so well And probably one of the biggest reasons why and we'll get to this a bit more but like dude I just love that. We don't have the same You know where Loki fits best guys If you want to know is in a stature black bolt deck with Shang Chi and Zabu It just like it it is different. It's definitely different.
The mid ranginess is kind of gone from that a little bit and the countering, which we're about to allude to, is the most insane countering that we have seen for one specific card. Now, with Loki overall are you, are you giving him a 5 out of 5 star? Are you, we're not gonna kind of spoil too much, but is, is your, is your consensus that he is just... He's good, get him if you play snap.
Yeah, 100%. For me, it's a 5 star. And not simply because of like his perceived power level, because he's obviously strong. But it's a 5 star just because it's the kind of season pass card I think we want. Even if he needs to be toned slightly or whatever it is, we'll discuss later. I do think that as a season pass card, like it's just so much fun. I think it captures the flavor and the lore of the character so well. I just think it's a, it's a great card. It's just a perfect Marvel Snap card.
And that's why I love it.
You see, and that's the thing, like, the things I'm excited to talk about on that subject are gonna be, number one, what do they do to them, if they do anything, what do they do, because I do have some ideas, and number two, in general, I don't think this says, but I like when a card releases, especially a season pass card, it's not that it's like, it needs to release busted or whatever, like, but I'd rather them err on the side of good than bad, you know what I mean?
I'd rather them, now they're damned if they do, they're damned if they don't. It was funny, I tweeted just like my basic thoughts, and it ended up getting a lot of traction, and I didn't. Really mean for it. In fact, so much traction. I'm going to shout him out. Glyn is going to be coming on a future Snapchat to talk some balancing. We had some good, good chats. I've been trying to lock down Glyn for a while. So, Glyn, if you're listening, I'm pumped that you're going to come on.
Because I just have a lot of respect for what you do for the game. But I'm like, I would hate to be a game designer, right? Because if season pass card good, riots. Season pass card bad, riots. They have to nerf season pass card, you guessed it, riots. And so it's, it's like a lose lose in a lot of ways, in my opinion. So anyway, Loki really good. If you haven't seen it already, the decks that I would play, we're going to have them here on screen.
You can check out videos on mine and Alex's channel. But really, it's just having that Quinjet collector feel. With a kind of low kitty is what I've been calling it. Low kit kitty, it's tough to say the pun. But you're just stacking on already good synergy. Alex, I do have a big question for you. Do you play Shang Chi in your Loki deck? No, I haven't been. Isn't it risky? It's scary.
It is kind of, but I, listen, I've been playing almost no counters. Like if I, if I'm playing Loki against other Lokis, I just try and go more vertical and it's just like, do they have collector on the board? Did they do a collector Angela or did they get like Angela kitty? Like what's the play pattern and do I have an advantage? But realistically, like I'm playing almost no tech right now.
If I'm playing a Loki deck, if I'm not playing a Loki deck and I'm countering Loki, as we're going to be discussing shortly, I got a whole lot of tech Cozy. And I can't wait to tell you about it.
What Loki deck are you playing? If you play one.
I have one called Loki, Loki location club. I like it because it has like Legion in it. I think it's a really good list. It, it just throws a lot of curve balls at your opponent, but also has like the hand generation of snow guard and mirage and whatnot. So I've been playing like basically just a hand sized Loki deck with a little bit of Legion in there to splash some chaos.
I love it, man. Well, either way, this was easily the fastest that I hit infinite. No question. I actually didn't have a lot of bots surprisingly enough. I think I had one or two bots on my first bit of the climb. And you know it even more with Loki, because you're getting like, you know, Okoye, whatever, you know, come on now. However as I kind of went on from there, it was nice. It was actually refreshing. I had a bunch of different actual players for once, which was a good thing to see.
And then when you're in Infinite now, obviously you don't have any bots. Let's go ahead and talk counters though. I think we can talk a lot about Loki. He's good. People know it. Let's talk counters, because people feel like Loki is un counterable. And that's mainly because all the old bags and tricks don't really work. Let's have you kick it off. What is a deck that you love against Loki specifically?
Oh, specifically it has to be C3 right now. Like Cerebro 3 is just absolutely hilarious. I think that's the one that comes right to mind because if Loki plays himself, he's a five and he destroys the combo right off the bat. Like Cerebro is effectively useless because he's on the board, right? And then you know, you have your ability to kind of reach and elevate above it. It has a ton of fantastic tech pieces, including Shadow King, Valkyrie and others to deal with the collector.
Yeah, it's Shadow King. Honestly, you have it on the screen right now. Shadow King is an absolute god tier card in C3. If not, it's carrying it. Straight up. Shadow King's carrying it. So, for me, C3 is the number one go to if you want to absolutely spank a low key player.
Yeah, so C3 is definitely one of the better ones for sure. I got a list of them today. And for me, it's not even just C3. Cerebro 3, for those that don't, you know, are not up with the cool hip. Lingo of Marvel Snap. It is just Shadow King. Shadow King is the most direct answer to the collector. And so it's like, what decks are gonna work with Shadow King in it? And so for me, it is Cerebro 3. There is a splash of Sera control that is aimed towards more of the Shadow King flavor.
That feels pretty good. Heck, even a Shadow King Surfer. Can do pretty good too, because they would need all of the right combo pieces from that Loki hand to make it work. And so that is where I see probably the biggest benefit is playing decks that have shadow King, but it's not like shadow King is a tech card, like Shung Chi is where you can just plug them into like a Suri deck that you know what I mean? You have to give them a little boost behind them.
And those three decks are going to do just that. So I do like shadow King. You should go a shadow King for Halloween. I feel like you'd be, you, that, the hat, you might be able to rock it, you know, you, you would have to shave your head if that's okay.
I, I think I look better as like the, the actual beastie thing behind him. I'll go Shadow King. I'm so not sure what it is. I saw the episode of X Men where Shadow King's there. Yeah, yeah. And he's like arguing with Stormboat or Sun or something, and I couldn't understand who Shadow King was. That's the Shadow. And he's the king. Okay. Thank you for clearing that up. Yeah. So
I'll be king. If you want to be shadow, it'd be going great. I'm telling you, man, I we're, we're heading into fall. Do you, are you a fall guy? What, what is your, your month? Actually, your season, if you were to pick one.
I mean, I, I do like winter to some degree. I like when there's snow on the ground. I like, I like driving in snow. Cause it's like really quiet and you kind of feel like your car's floating a bit. There's no bees and. It's the winter, which is nice. I cannot stand bees. Not like bumblebees. I like bumblebees, but like, we have like yellow jackets and hornets and stuff that'll just like attack your face for no reason. So like, you know, I don't have to worry about that in the winter.
So I think winter is mainly because of the bees and mosquitoes and stuff.
That was the most Alex coach in response to that question. Ever. And you lived up to the, to the, I mean, I was surprised you didn't slip in Costco in there. At least like twice, like, ah, you know, Costco, the discounts there in the winter, just top of game. But I like it. I, okay. I would say the best holidays are in the fall. I love, love Halloween. Love football season. Love just like San Diego is amazing. But the worst part about it is you'll look outside every day and it's 70 and gorgeous.
And you're just like, I'm fat and I suck if I don't go outside. And guess what? My job is not going outside. It's doing YouTube content. So I always feel bad. In the fall though, it's like slightly not as good. It's still pretty good, but anyway. Shadow King, great card. Good card right now. Crazy to say that. It is what it is. I think he could be even better, stat wise in some degree. Like to match up kind of that other spa that Shang Chi and Enchantress do. But 3 3 makes a lot of sense.
I can't believe I'm saying it, Alex. I can't. And it's so shocking to think it. But to think that hella right now. Hella tribunal. This is the madness that I'm talking about. I don't know about you, but playing Loki, this was the deck that I lost to the most. Cause you know what Loki's doing to these players?
It's giving like blind blind confidence because it's a good deck like you have your pieces you get quinjet down collector You're like, I don't care if I have an invisible woman and I don't have cosmo i'm snapping because I cannot lose When this deck gets to do its little thing of the modak hella And it goes wild. Bro. It's good. It's good. It's, it's inconsistent, but it's good.
Tribunal is one of those cards that like will absolutely take people by surprise. And the nice thing about it when they swap in, like they get these cards, they probably can't really play properly. Like, what do you do with Modok without Hella? And like, if you, if you aren't prepared to actually steal a Hella base list, it feels awful as a low key player. To the point you may as well not play Loki, maybe fall back on that devil dinosaur package you might have snuck into your deck, right?
But I do like the call out and it's kind of, we're in a crazy world if Tribunal Hela is actually a legitimate meta contender. I think the win rate's like still kind of middling though, but when it pops you feel like a million bucks.
So on, it's funny, on ladder I'm having a guide coming up. The, there's a discard pure set of Hela that's doing really good and Tribunal's doing bad, but in Conquest, stat wise, the stats are good. Now, that's, it's not being overly played at the moment, and if, like, any meta deck, like, Hela is doing best because people don't, people are just like, I'm not queuing into Hela, there's no way, right? And then they queue into Hela, and then you're kind of stuck, right?
And so, if it were to get two out of Rails, I just thought I would throw it up, because it's definitely a fun counter. But you bring up a good point. We talked about Surfer and Hela now. These decks where if you give them four to five cards, what are you, what are you going to do? What are you going to do with those cards if you don't have the other pieces? And that is where Alex, I feel like, I don't know about you, but it's cool to see that Shuri in this kind of Vision Slam craziness.
He's performing at a really good level, but it doesn't feel like old Shuri levels of annoying.
Shuri Is completely outta control right now, in my opinion. I think it's one of the best decks in the game. I think there's two versions of Shuri now. You have the classic sir Sheri Eron, which is running like a 64% win-win rate at some point, I think. Then you have like the Shuri Kitty combination. It's like Shuri Kitty with like Hulk Buster Forge to like give you a play pattern where you can actually play your kitty pride into Shuri if you wanted to. If it's like.
Built up massively, then you can still Taskmaster Shuri on turn six, which is, Sorry, Taskmaster Kitty on turn six, which is crazy. That's running a couple points under, but they're both above 60 percent right now. So yeah, I think Kozy, you nailed it. I think Shuri's an absolutely insane deck. I think Loki can't really compete with the verticality of it either. Yeah. So I think that it is definitely a good choice right now in the meta.
Yeah. This is probably my favorite choice, then C3. If I were to like, throw them out there and then some crazy combo decks. The thing is fun fact. That Kitty Shuri deck that you just listed is my most hated deck in Snap at the moment. I cannot, the Taskmaster at the last play drives me bananas. It drives me nuts, man. Especially cause like I just slotted Killmonger out of a lot of my decks and then it's just like, Even if you do, you have to like throw turns so that you don't get the priority.
It is such a frustrating deck to go up against. So I'm glad you gave that a shoutout. It's something I would definitely I'm gonna talk about maybe in some hated segments to get some heat off. Later on, Alex Coccia. But any other decks at the top of your mind? Again, we've done C3, Sarah Control. And guys, these aren't just like decent decks. They're solid against Loki. They're putting up numbers. Anything else?
Yeah, I mean, there's something to be said about like any deck that's splashing Mr. Negative in. Cause when they swap the cards, they don't get the negative effect, right? And then they're gonna have some cards that... Aren't necessarily going to be that useful to them, especially if they're not a negative stylist, because Loki will swap based on the initial the initial deck, not the negative face base deck.
And I think that on that vein, you also have the high evolutionary, like I like toxic evolutionary. So they're going to be picking up a whole bunch of like non upgraded evil cards, which I think is valuable. underappreciated right now in the meta. Like it used to be like 20 It got, it took like a couple minor nerfs and now it's at like 3 4 percent range, which is still fine.
It's a viable deck, but I think that like from a win rate perspective, from a competitive standpoint, from just like a spread of matchups, I think that Evo High Evo is as good as it's ever been.
It's doing the exact same thing that happened to Shuri when Shuri got nerfed. Like Shuri had these like three months where it was just good, but people weren't playing it. And then it was just being good by itself. And Evo is still a very good deck. And it might be one of the best decks to have them swap with, because getting Misty Knights, man, good luck. Have fun with that. Like, there's, they don't get your cards, and that's such a huge advantage. A really good callback.
This is a minor gripe, and I just need to say this. So, High Evo, if you don't have him and you want to play High Evo, he's coming later. He's coming up in a somewhat future spotlight, right? At the end of the month, is it? I think so. Yeah, he's coming up again. And did you see? That they're repeating the variant? I saw. What are your, what are your thoughts on that? I, I don't get hot often. Devs, I know we have some that listen to the show.
For me, when something is said, right, and they say, we're gonna have unique spotlights, for all of them, they're unique. And now, all of a sudden, like, just kind of randomly, that's that. Yeah, I don't know. It torched me.
So basically, there was a developer Q& A about that, because obviously, other people in the community noticed, like, hey, like, why is High Evolutionary there? And we're getting, like, the third null, and Kang's coming back. Like, there's a whole bunch of repeats, which really sucks. Like, that's not what we want. Like, I don't know about you, I didn't even roll a single... Spotlight cash this week, like I'm in a situation right now where like, I'm not opening regular caches.
I'm not opening spotlight caches. I'm opening nothing and I'm not getting any new cards unless I'm just rolling for the new card of the week or whatever. Right? And it sucks. It feels terrible. Like it just to be amassing all these things. I was supposed to be excited about, but what they had said was, was that essentially they don't have the pipeline set up yet for the spotlight variants. Which kind of sucks.
Cause it's like, that's why you're seeing like, and no disrespect to Dan hip, cause I actually liked the Dan hip part a lot. There's some of my favorites are Dan hips, but at the same time, it's like, that's not the value add that a spotlight cash needs to be. The spotlight cash was originally kind of touted to be almost like an ultimate style variant. Right. Like one of those, like almost like what you'd get in the token shop for 5, 000. And the first couple of weeks was like that, right?
Like that Kang that we had, the original, no, those were like banger variants. That looked like they would have been a near ultimate variants. And now we're just, it seems like they're just filling and to actually were not only repeat the card, but to repeat the variant is insane. And apparently it has all to do with the the actual pipeline for the variants themselves.
It's like saying like, we have a 20 step plan, this company that needs to make up some ground. 20 step plan and then like they get back to their room and like, okay guys, what's the plan? Like, I'm not saying it's as bad as that, but it feels to me like they came up with a solution with not all of that solution solved yet. And if this was known back at house, number one, don't say it. So like, number one, just like, please just watch.
People are gonna hold on to everything that's said by developers, like, and they know that by now, you guys know that. Just, I don't, why say they're all gonna be unique, right? My funny enough, when they first were announced, I didn't expect them to be unique. I was like, that's a lot of, that's a lot. Like, Jean Grey, I was like, I'll get her on the next one. But then I realized it was a different Jean Grey. Which it was, because they had art for Jean Grey prepped.
But to me, it just seems like this was built up for a while. I know they put all guns a ho, like, ahead, trying to get spotlights ready to go to help with this card acquisition problem. But it, for me, going back on things that have been said, it is a very bad look. It's, it, it, it, it is just variants, but at the end of the day, it is also what... The whole economy is around all this stuff, you know, and so anyway, not thrilled about that, man. And that, to me guys, that was a big miss.
And devs, if you're listening, I hope you guys can figure that out. I get that doing the art and the variants and that kind of stuff has stuff that we don't really understand. But at the same time, like, it just, it has to be figured out. And you have to have cards like Howard or Iron Lad come back before you have the third repeat of Knull. It just has to happen.
Like, I don't even have Howard the Duck yet, because I was expecting it's going to be in the Spotlight Caches event, it's been months now, it's not even shown up, right? And so like, that feels horrible, and every time I roll like one of the random chants, like the, what's it called, the, the Thousand Tokens, which got buffed up, which is nice, I never get a new card, it's always the Thousand Tokens now, so. I have not been lucky.
I've not gotten any of the new cards that are in the, in the, the caches.
And that was the thing. If they could have, like, they said that you get like a premium variant, if you already had this high Evo, it's like, no, got to do better than a premium variant. If you guys don't have a solution that at the very least figure that out, because the compensation there. I don't know why this isn't figured out yet. Premium variants aren't it. They're not, they're not the compensation people are looking for. Anyway, we digress a little bit. Thanks for diving into that.
I didn't mean to go into some of your section there, but it just, it was on the topic of High Evo.
Oh, it had to be said. Oh, it was the right time to bring it up.
So High Evo, he is a good counter. If you don't have him, he is a good time to get this card. Funny enough, I don't even play this particular variant, although I do like it and I'm a big Max Grek fan. Now, with these counters right we've said Sherry, we've said some of these others. The one that I'll end on here to go to the next subject, for me personally, is the tried and true.
Now, we've talked about it, but it's not the boosted Patriot, because God forbid you give them some broods and they go wild. Hey buddy, Patriot Ultron. I'm telling you, I, I still, I feel like Classic Patriot is doing a very good job right now. I played a good amount of it already this season in Into Infinite. And I'm loving it. And it's cool, because whatever he said, Ultron's best when, you know, he's kind of, kind of flying low. Have you given him another shot lately?
Ultron sucks and is an F tier card.
Exactly. Don't play him. Don't play Ultron. But if you, but, but, but, but if you don't like Loki... Good counters! We're gonna have to see what happens to Loki. We have a lot more discussion on your side about just the state of him altogether. But a very good card if you play Marvel Snap, get Loki. With the notion of him probably being adjusted. I will give you guys that. On this size, you hear it, that's my expectation but how much, we'll find out. Next up, let's get to... Alioth.
Now, Alioth is coming to the game. This is probably what a lot of people clicked onto the podcast for. Alioth, the new nightmare, right? We've got a brand new 6 cost coming to the game. Always exciting when we get a new 6 cost to snap. And as you guys know, if you don't by now, he is a 6 cost 5 power card, on reveal: destroy everything! All enemy cards played here this turn. This includes... unrevealed cards.
So we are going to break down everything we think about this card in just a moment, but he is coming to spotlights. And the other ones that we do have in those spotlights is Hitmonkey and we've got Snowguard. And we don't have to talk much on this, but because of the craziness that is Snowguard, this has instantly became a pretty damn good week.
Yeah, actually it is like snow guard. Okay. I have snow guard and it's fun to play. It works remarkably well in Loki But I tested even without Loki right and snow guard feels good Because like just like what Legion showed us any type of location control can be truly powerful The idea of like we kind of procking certain locations can be really cool Deactivating locations knocking out limbo's that she nots absolutely hate right?
It's it's a good card It's just a good card and these I don't know, I like it a lot, and the art is so good, and like, the way it glimmers on the board, like, everything about Snowguard is so good, I'm glad more people are gonna be getting their hands on it, which, of course, is gonna make the Loki deck stronger, by the way.
I kid you not, first of all, if you got Loki, you need to get Snowguard, like, if you enjoy playing Loki, regardless if it gets nerfed, it does not matter, Snowguard is a fantastic option, going on turn four, playing her, then Loki, going into five, there's so many good things you could do there. Listen, I'm just gonna say it, man. Your first subject, top 10 favorite cards, Snow Guard, has earned that spot.
Because to me, you get the flavor that you want out of, let's say something like Legion, in such a smaller commitment. And people, dude, I won a game, a huge stakes game, where they were gonna play Apocalypse on Sinister London. I shut it down. They were just like, what just happened? What? Like, that was my entire game plan to win.
What a great redesign and color me surprised because we mentioned this a few weeks ago that we expected Potentially that they were not gonna let snow guard be as bad as she was and released into that spotlight and bada bing bada boom Hit monkey now is the worst card technically and he's still pretty good And so if you do like Alioth, this is one you can feel confident in This is a spotlight variant that there's no question I'm getting.
I have to get the Alioth, like, reminds me of like Hercules from Disney. Like going to the Titans, man. I just, it's an amazing variant. And altogether, I like the week, man. I do like the week for spotlights. Especially because the other cards coming out there, you know, they're purchasable at like what 3000 because they're series four.
I got to tell you Alioth spotlight is definitely one that I'm looking to get into and not just because snow guard and hit monkey are kind of like really good cards on their own. I mean, monkeys kind of falling off a little bit because of what happened with balance, but let's take a second to actually talk about Alioth for a moment because I don't know about you Cozy. This has been incredibly difficult for me to kind of identify the actual applicable strength.
Because it looks like it can be completely earth shattering. And that was a five cost. It would have been without question. And now we get into something interesting and I want your take on this. This might sound dumb, but when I see cards being released and they get changed and modified, I think about the hand of the developer. I think about like Glenn sitting there testing the card and being like. At five costs, this card's broken. Like that is what I think.
And then, okay, they move it to six power. That means the effect must be powerful as a five costs. It must've broke the game to the point where they knew they had to move it to six costs preemptively before the release of it. So we know the effect is going to be good, but at six costs, the combo centric play completely changes. The landscape of the play changes completely.
So at six, I'm having a harder time identifying whether or not this is going to be as meta shattering as it could potentially have been.
Yeah, so a few takeaways. Number one I'll talk about my thoughts on Alioth. I'm glad you highlighted that because I talked about that in my recent, like, October video. We almost never see adjustments. Very rarely the data mines that are coming up very soon, and then we definitely don't in the cost department.
Now, we've seen it a couple of times, and when we've seen that, that card is It needed it right so i'm gonna give a great example and i love that you point this out High evo i'll never forget. He was a four six I believe on data mine and he went down to a four four and people were so pissed off Clearly high evo was stupid good and they can see that on their end and they toned it down Now the thing is we haven't seen the adjustment in the cost department. So no question. What does that tell me?
The devs loved Alioth. They they thought it was obviously too good at five too many combos And to be fair, the jump to 5 6 is massive than going from 6 power to 4 power. I mean, that is like, all the combos in the world have changed because of that. So you do make a great point there, and I love that you highlighted that. How good will he be at a six cost card? Now, I said it last week, I thought this was the most hyped card up that I wasn't completely sold on.
And I think he'll be worse at first as we get adjusted to him. I think that if he fits your playstyle, and there's a few decks that he works really well in, he's gonna be a great complement, and man, I'm gonna love this card. Whenever you can just kind of put them into a lot of plug and play decks a couple months down the road. Alioth exists in the world. I think that's really cool for Snap.
I think it's fair to say that like, I just don't know is a good answer with this card right now. Because it is one that feels like you really do have to play it. And the text and the power and just try to like conceptualize what it's going to do is hard without actually experimenting with the card itself.
Yeah. But like, at the same time, like I was thinking, I've been doing a lot of like theory crafting with a couple cards and it's funny, my, I was really hyped up for Alioth originally, less so on Ravonna, and then now I'm starting to like, tip a little bit more towards Ravonna, less on Alioth, but what I will say is that I've been playing with this idea of like, okay, what if we, what if we wave turn three, okay, wave turn three into Dr. Doom turn four. Okay, hear me out.
I know this is a little convoluted turn five is gene gray or like and with like a jeffers silk, right? So a really high power move movable to drop with Jean gray And then you alias onto that that Jean gray location and you're able to generate power wide across the board Like in my head, I'm like, that seems like a play line that like, yes. Okay. You're talking about Alex. You just drew into like six cards of your 12th card deck. I know. Right.
Yeah. But like, what do the play lines look like for life without using the cheeky Zola type stuff? And I think that there's lines with Jean Grey that could be legitimately powerful, legitimately powerful, but. If Kitty pride still is popular. She is that dodges Jean gray, very effectively. That was the whole problem with Jean gray at launch. So like a liar, I think it's going to be really reliant on its support cast. I don't think it's just a card that it just does its thing.
I think it needs the support of like Galactus on five and then, Oh, hell yeah. Alioth is the perfect card to follow up. I've been trying to figure out those lines, Cozy.
So this is what it is. First of all, he has like the most, he's the best tech ability in the game. Just kill everything if you have priority. The thing about it is and you kind of alluded to it with Jean Grey, and I have this in my notes. I'm going to break all this down. He is just a good card as what it is. There's two key factors. He needs a support cast, but the other thing is just bottom line, and you guys are going to see this up and down.
He is a very meta dependent card because of his tech ability. So like.
In these widespread for instance, okay If this if Alioth came out when boosted patriot was at the top of its reign with absorbing man big whoop, man You already have You already have so much power on the board There's already so much out there before alive can truly do what he needed to do there And then it's tough because they don't have a lot of power to make up what you just did Maybe you do a surfer to cap it off and like you don't need surfer to live, right?
So in these widespread decks that can kind of reach all over it's tough. It's actually tough I think to counter alive And we're going to see this more in the future. So it's interesting, you know what I mean? It's going to be very interesting how he plays with the metagame. But talking about supporting cards, let's go ahead and talk about Dex. Let's talk about cards that he's going to work best in. You nailed it. Lockdown City, baby.
I, I think Lockdown is going to be, without question, his best home. And, you said the Jean Grey playline? 100 percent man. Playing Wave into Jean Grey? What are you going to do? You literally destroy... What they play. There's nothing else that can be played. At worst, it's a Doctor Doom. They get a couple cards to the left or whatever it is, but for the most part, you're looking pretty good. Professor X. The idea to me of playing like Electro, okay, and then you play Professor X on 5.
Now, you probably have a good shot to cheat this win, and what's great about it, Marvel Snap, you retreat. If it's Conquest, you didn't get the cheat. Just take the cube loss, you maybe lost one or two cubes, right? You do have to be pretty good at guessing and snapping to get the most effect here. But at that point, you play Professor X. Then what do you do, Alex? Well, it's easy, man. You just Alioth on one of the lanes that you think you're gonna win. And then what do you do after that?
You simply play Odin or Absorbing Man at that point. Absorbing Man here has a lot of value just because of the effect. You just double down, you do two turns in a row of saying you don't get to play here, and you're effectively locking down two different locations. Now, with that strategy, you're giving up the priority, which kind of makes it a little bit fair in some cases, but that's where I see him shining the most.
I love the call out of using Prof X because in one of the initial designs that I've been trying to figure out is like, if you run something like a, like a nebula, for instance, right? Something that generates value under Professor X without you having to commit any energy to it, counter to what like a sunspot does you know, you're right. If you cheat it out on turn four, because of the electro based effect, It's much more likely that you can favorably trade.
Like even if you have to guess a location, they're not wide enough. They're not vertical enough. Right. So, and at that point, if you're able to get electro on three, you're at an advantage with that prof X. And you might buy, if you're playing prof X electro, you probably have Jeff in the deck too, as a follow up. Right. And then like, it's, it reminds me of a leader, to some degree, where like, the lea that, that original leader, right?
It kinda has that, like, yeah, you can just straight up, Elioth, and then Odin. Eh, they can't do anything, like, the play pattern's perfectly powerful.
Leader and Arrow are the two cards that this Elioth reminds me the most of. And it's so bonkers to even think of my love, my wife, used to pull the cards over there, like, like...
It's just crazy what she used to be able to do and then it changed to last, but both of those effects, they would punish decks that were trying to go crazy on that last turn, and you're right, it is, it's just kind of like, if you've prepped yourself for the game to get there, and I think people that are good at snapping and identifying and going in when they need to and leaving when they, when they don't, those are going to be the ones that reap the most rewards from Alioth, and overall, I
think he's actually extremely healthy. For Marvel Snap, and that's why I think Glenn made him, too. Like, honestly, I think that's why Glenn had him in there. Even Loki decks to an extent, right? Because Loki loves to flood a bunch of stuff out there. Some Lokis like being greedy and waiting until turn 5. Well, guess what, man? You at least can lock down one lane, if not a couple.
And obviously a counter we didn't talk about is, you know, shutting down lanes against Loki can make it pretty tough. However, Elioth, give me Give me one other synergy that you like with him before we move into counters.
I don't know if I know you want like a really spicy synergy here, but I've been trying to pen and paper a Zola combination I I don't know if it's as good as I think it is I like Odin better.
Because of the five power it has like if you if you're able to kind of electro Elioth into Zola, right and Like if you give up that location you have to make sure that you have the other two up enough For the Elioth effect in his five power to trade favorably on turn six And like, depending on what the meta is at that point in time, I think people can zoo enough early, especially in conquest if they know what's up, that it might not be as powerful as you'd expect it to be.
But I do think there's going to be a winning deck that has Zola and Alioth in it together. I just haven't quite figured it out yet.
So when he was a five cost, this is where I was just like, okay, this is why it was broken. Yeah, being able to get them out there and doing the the Elioth into Arnim Zola into Odin and have Arnim Zola scan Odin and send them back to those two Elioth lanes. To me, that was a play line that can't be done right now, really, right? You can maybe do that with wave and some things.
That's a play line that's nuts cuz you're adding thirteen power and then you're adding the Double killing everything, like to me, that's where it's like, okay, good luck with that. If you can find a way to do that, or if, you know, you can roll the dice a little bit with like, Jubilee, or maybe an Iron Lab that gets the effect, and then you can kind of get that spicy combo going.
You know, let's talk about where, cause I think a lot of people are instantly like, holy crap, Galactus, like, what is gonna happen here? But we kind of talked about this last week, I feel like he's Spider Man, he's gonna win. If you got the Galactus off, like, just get the hell out, guys. If you see Galactus, get out. Take the two cubes out. Just take it. You know, they got you on that one, right? I think he's like Professor Ex Alioth, but just like, more in your face.
If you really think about it, the change to Spider Man makes perfect sense. I think in the developer notes with the change to Spider Man, they said that Spider Man's design was restricting future cards, and they were probably referring to Alioth. Because the effects are very similar, denying that turn six or follow up on Galactus, right? But we're back, we're doing it again, right? And Elias does that exact same thing, so I wonder if it's going to be another toxic show of force for Galactus.
Although Galactus is in a completely different spot than it was prior, so. Galactus has been changed, Spider Man's been changed, but Elias is being reintroduced as a potential major follow up to Galactus. We'll have to see how the meta... Kind of freaks me out because right now you're looking at the Galactus stacks being pretty good at about a 54 55 percent win rate.
When it comes to counters, a lot of the same counters for Galactus is the same with Alioth, right? We're gonna have these counters that kind of work for both of these cards in some sense. Let's say the obvious ones, the Cosmos. This is gonna bring Cosmo back into the meta a little bit. The Armors clearly, which is already out there. So Armor is like a... Obviously, pretty big counter to Goliath. He just stops all together.
You know, honestly, I think Professor X on the armor lane that they have set up might be your smartest approach as an Alioth player. Cause then you don't have to worry about that and you try to just win that lane and you Jeff it later. Give me another counter though, cause there are some, there's actually a significant amount that people Kind of always think of best case scenario with card releases and not like what could happen.
I mean, if we want to talk counters, you can make the argument for leader. I know this sounds crazy, but if you have initiative, right? Leader is going to take their alioth and then destroy the unrevealed alioth on the other side. That's a little, it's a little cute. It's a little cute, but like, hey, listen, I've been playing more leader lately because I've been experimenting with like Sandman ramp decks. I don't think it's meta yet. Hey, listen, Dr. Doom got buffed, okay?
You know I'm going back to Sandman Ramp. I want to figure it out, and I've been playing Leader in it, right? Leader, Odin, Leader, Dr. Doom. These are great lines. And so if Leader, where initiative matters most, can take over that Alioth in advance of their Alioth play, well then, you just destroyed their card, and your Leader and your Alioth just smile happily back.
Well, we just said a lot of these decks are going to struggle with priority that play with Alioth sometimes, and so, yeah, it's, it's a... Damn, good point. I mean, just getting the Alioth is gonna really hurt them. However, if they do the play line instead of doing Alioth and Odin, it's like, ah, then you just get Leader and then Odin and it stacks up a bit. I like that. I will say the two cheekier combos that I think will work first of all, Jean Grey is gonna work with and against Alioth.
I think that's healthy. Also Arrow. I, I think the way it's gonna work is Arrow is gonna pull him over and he's gonna kill Arrow. I think they do the on, like if you pull a Black Panther, he does Wakanda forever on the lane he was pulled to. So you're kind of like having Arrow just do like the, like taking the bullets, you know, like she'll die, but she will protect the kitty pride lane or whatever you're playing in conjunction. Or on that turn five right.
Now, I do see, sadly, we kinda skipped over it a little bit, he's your man, he's your guy, Kang, in combination, which, this is the lore, I mean, this is the lore here, it makes sense, I see Kang, being put into a ton of these Alive decks, because you wanna know, before you play that Alive, you wanna just peek, you wanna see, do they have what it takes, or even more so, do I even wanna use him here, and then you have them like, Then they're fearful and then they leave or they're fearful and then
they don't do the play then you don't even have to play Alioth I think Kang, that is where that synergy comes from that I'm in love with.
I totally get what you're saying, right? Hey, listen, anytime you want to talk Kang, you're in the right spot, right? That is interesting because it's the mind games element of it, right? You get that Kang snap in there. You get to see where their play is going. You know you have Alioth in your, your back pocket. And usually, I think, based on the play patterns we've been describing, you kind of know where you want to attack with Alioth. Because you're going to have a lane that's locked down.
You're going to have a lane that you know you've tried to win. Because I think that's the core design of a lot of the decks. So if you have that, it's just a matter of saying, okay, where am I going to win next? Yep. Cause you only need two lanes in Marvel Snap. A lot of people forget that. We tend to attack all these triple lanes all the time. But I think with Alioth, it's going to be really important to focus in on the two, which I think is what Shuri playstyles really are good at too, right?
Those Shuri, those Taskmaster Red Skull plays, you're attacking two locations. You're not attacking three. And so I really liked the idea of Alioth you know, having some of that information to make sure that they can attack an appropriate location.
What I think is so exciting about this card just bar none, Is if you look at some of the releases, and honestly, this is the theme of the month. From Loki, to Elioth, to Ravonna, and to Mobius. They are cards that can be put into decks. They are plug and playable. These cards are truly plug and playable cards. And I think Elioth is exciting for that reason. Like, I say put them in a ramp deck, put them in a destroy deck, right? Like, these are the things that I'm suggesting.
But also, like, in the decks that you just enjoy playing. Throw him in there because I think he is going to be a decent tech card for a lot of reasons and again It is going to depend on the meta game. Overall though. I like Alioth. I think it's going to be an interesting week I'll definitely be testing them and then giving my kind of night one analysis.
These damn card releases are so late But I have to get a little bit of an honorable mention here Goose man, we we got to talk about goose because goose is one of those cards That it's tough, because the Zabu, the things that get annoying against Goose because you're trying to shut something down. As a pure Aliath counter, I love Goose.
I'm a little fearful because of the Loki, and I'm also fearful, by the way, of Loki decks taking Aliath and having them for 4 or 5, and then it's just even worse of a nightmare. But I do think Goose will serve a purpose here.
Yeah, Goose is in a tricky spot and has been for a long time. Like Goose was a stable in Silver Surfer decks and pretty much any deck that wanted to keep Galactus out too. It was a great Galactus counter for that exact reason, right? But you're right. Like Loki decks slide under it. I think we're going to see a reduction in Zabu base lists. I think Zabu might be starting to fall off in popularity slightly, especially with Triple N potentially coming out. Well, we know it's coming out, right?
So I do think that like Goose might have a leg to stand on, especially if Alioth becomes a really problematic. And realistically, still as a two cost, it's relatively stress free to include a goose in your deck, if you've designed your deck around the concept of having a goose in there. Like, it doesn't, like, if you're playing Silver Surfer and you have goose, and matchups where you're against Loki, yeah, it feels bad, but still, it's not the end of the world. Right?
It doesn't, it doesn't completely ruin you. I like to call it on goose.
So, Alex, just gonna, just gonna leave it here. Gut tells you. From F Tier all the way up to S Tier. Just gut, gut before playing. What do you think?
Can I give you stars? Can we do stars? Sure. I would say that this has the potential to be a 4 star card, but I lean toward it probably being a 3 star card.
Okay. Yeah, I think the meta does depend. I think 3. 5 to 4 star is where I have it. 4 star if the meta is favor favorable and then 3. 5, 3 if not. 3, you're gonna lose games because you played in a live wrong and you're gonna win games that you shouldn't have because you played them right. And that's what makes a good card. Remember, he's not going to be over the top busted. I don't think he'd be released that way, and they've already addressed that. So, Beliath comes out tonight, man.
Looking forward to that, and just making videos with what I think is going to be a pretty damn fun card, and a couple spicy decks that I have up my sleeve for testing. Now, finally, we do this every now and then. It's time to release some hate. It's time to, to let it go a little bit. And I love doing this now on a monthly basis. The most hated cards in Marvel Snap for us. And this is right now in September. What do we hate playing against?
And funny enough, this can also go with cards you like, but you hate playing against them. I know last season I said a couple that I actually enjoy playing, but my god, just because Arrow was my wife, playing against her was a nightmare back in the heyday, right? Like, that's just how it works. Alex Kocha. Let's kick it off with number five. Your most hated card right now, number 5, is what?
Man, I don't want to hate this card, but I kind of feel like I do. Can I hate Iron Lad? Is that bad?
I had a feeling you were going to put Lad on the list.
It's just, listen, I think it's the RNG. Like, anytime I play Lad, he's pulling rocks and absolute filth. Like, just complete garbage every time. And then, oh, my opponent played Iron Lad. Oh, look, it's Mr. Sinister. Oh, it's Brood. It's exactly what he needed to win this game every single time. And I just want to punch my monitor. I want to smash my phone. phone. It is tilting me out completely.
Cause it's, you know, it's RNG, but at the same time, like it's controlled RNG because you know, what's in the deck, you know, what's left. And man, iron lad, listen, I think I'm, it's at number five. Cause for me, I respect how good this card is, but it pisses me off. When someone else plays iron lad against me, it pisses me off. And when I play iron lad, guess what cozy? It pisses me off.
He almost made my list strictly. Strictly because they've yet to fix the bug of him not showing what he's doing animation wise. Like, the fact that I have to sit there and wait for my impending death, right? Like, have you ever, there's been times where I'm sitting there, and I'm like, Did I lose? Am I screwed? Oh no, it's a rock! Right, like, it, it, that alone... Almost had me put him on the list. I can't stand that man. It's the worst.
So I get it I get where that comes from, you know, I had a hard time thinking about some of my lists, you know There's ones that I want to put out there just because i'm gonna always hate them, you know kind of thing And you know, again, everybody hates different cards. And actually, I love this last time you guys did this as the viewers comment down below your five in order, because I love seeing the difference between people and what they hate to play against. I'm going to stand by.
I am just it. Listen, as much as I enjoy the card, there's not a card that I hate seeing more played on turn two. And I can't even find him, so he's getting me even more heated than Daredevil, man. Daredevil is one of those cards that when he gets played down, he's just so dang frustrating because he throws off any type of surprise I'm trying to do, any type of combo finish. I could put him higher. I could put him higher.
He's one of those, there's a very few cards in the game that when my opponent plays it, I'm just like, Damn, just damn. I'm not excited to see the later games and I still think he's so dang impactful for so many reasons He's also why I'm sure Alioth was not released at a five cost card. Do you hate daredevil?
You know, I don't I don't hate daredevil, but I know the feeling I know the feeling of daredevil That means that like my turn five play they know what I'm gonna do My prof X is useless or my whatever is useless, right? It's crazy what Daredevil can do from a mental standpoint. But it does feel like a fair card. Like, I, I, it feels like a fair card. You know what it is? I love playing Daredevil. Even though, hasn't it been cut from a lot of lists? Like, it's not as popular as it used to be.
No, it's not because, honestly, Jeff and just like being able to do Pro X. And that's why it's worse when you see him. Because now you're like, oh damn. What homebrew Galactus deck am I going up against these days? I, I have him on there. I, I can't not hate Daredevil. He's, he's, he's my number five.
For number four for me this is a card that actually does not see a lot of play. But when it does, it pisses me off so much. Like this is, this would be higher if it saw more play. And it is, it's pissing me off just thinking about it. It's Black Widow. Getting that Widow's Bite upsets me so much. And at least, I know it's not that popular right now. It's not. But when I get Widow Bite, I'm just like, how dare you? How dare you do this to me like I, I just, I just want to reach him.
I don't want to play this game anymore. You can have your cubes. Like, I don't want to play this video game anymore. How dare you take a draw away from me? This is only a 12 card deck, you savage. Like, come on now. Like, what are we doing? This card is so tilting.
Yeah, I, I do get that. I understand. It's funny because if anything, I do think it needs a little bit of a buff on top of that. But my God, the effect wise, it like. You know what I loved about her is I was trying to put her into my way to Infinite. I was trying to put her into my Loki decks. Because I was like, alright, if I get this off, they're usually playing Loki late. And I'm like, haha! I stopped your Agent Coulson. I stopped so many things that he was trying to accomplish.
But it also helps the deck too much, man! You're helping out, like, Collector. You give him another card to Loki if they were gonna play it. So it's like, dang, I want her to be buffed, but yeah, the effect of it. That's probably why they were so careful with her being the rank that she's at, but, but it's a good number four there. Now, I do have something to say that I think a lot of people are gonna be surprised about.
I have retired him, and if you look back, there's a reason I had him at number one. I do not have Doc Ock on my list. He is now off. He was my number one most hated card. But because of the era that we're in, which, by the way, I think is a good Loki counter these kind of clogged decks. I'm not hating him so much. Also, the decks I'm playing, I, listen, he's probably number six or seven, But I've left him off my list. However, I know, I get it. He's never played, man. He's never played.
But when he's played, My god. And mainly, this is recency bias, there's been some conquests. I lost a I lost a a match 5 in Infinity Conquest, this last one, because of a Kang freakin deck. And I, I, there are times, it's not even, if they, I could win. I could win the match, and I'm still just angry. Playing this card, playing the exact same play I just did for them to do this, it is so frustrating. It's like a way to stall the game longer in time. Kang is definitely up there for me.
Kang is absolutely a nightmare to play against. And it just grinds the game to a halt. And we've discussed this many times. Like I do feel like I'm a believer in Kang, but I don't know if I believe in what it does to Marvel Snap. Like the side effect, the side effect of what it does might not be worth it overall.
It's tough because of how Marvel Snap works. I love the animation. It's cool. I love Galactus animation. But it just slows the pace down and Kang more so than, than, that animation is, if anything, a couple seconds too long, man. Just show me some clocks and gears and then just reset that thing all in one action, man. Like the whole... Zip in the cards and I, I can't, I can't do it. That is why probably him, the stalling effect, what he does. I don't see him a lot, but I hate him.
Number three, Alex.
Number three for me is a card that it's a tried tested and true absolute beauty, and you know what? I like playing it too, but I don't like having it played against me. It's Iceman. Iceman continues to be an absolutely infuriating card. Could it, honestly, there's times where this is number one, because it's going to hit the card that I don't want it to hit every single time. It hits the Electro every time. It hits Serra every single time.
And even if it hits like a Silver Surfer or a Killmonger or whatever in a Surfer deck, it's like, well, great, now I can't play three 3 costs on turn six with my Serra. Like, it's so frustrating what Iceman can do. And anytime the meta becomes combo centric, Iceman increases in value, but right now, for instance, Iceman does not have as much value because Loki just discounts the crap out of everything anyway.
So I mean, Iceman ebbs and flows, but it is consistently a very irritating card to have played against you.
It's funny. I want to see what happens when Mobius comes out, like what happens to Iceman. But what I'm cracking up at is. There's gonna be a new type of hell when Iceman hits your Mobius. So like, you had Mobius to stop this BS from happening, and now you can't even Mobius to stop a Loki that then they're gonna play, right? Like an Iceman Loki deck killed me. It just, that's gonna be the worst thing to go up against. I don't have him on my list. I, I hate him way less than I used to.
Now that Ham is where he's at, I think he's gonna go right back up there. So like, how do you not? But yeah, that's a, that's a good inclusion. Alright, so number three here is one that, it's funny, I don't know if I actively hate him because he maybe will be on my favorites list as well. And this was tough. He's a favoriter that I hate, right? This is the one on the list here. It's gotta be Legion, man.
Legion is, and you know what it might be, is that it's just like, oh hey, put Legion in every single deck. So he's always the threat to be there. The strength of the card, just his dumb freaking face every time. He's just so frustrating, because there's not a, there's not a card that you can play or had played against you, that has a bigger effect, especially in ladder, man. Conquest, you can start to prepare for it a little bit, but man, in ladder, like, I don't care that he's a 5 7.
If anything, I thought he was lucky to escape with only one power below him. Legion is one of those. I love him. Man, I love Legion, but my god, I also hate him.
You are right. The control of locations is crazy. Like, literally, I had a game where I played Legion on Mojo World. And I knew I was going to play on Mojo World. I was against a Shuri deck. And I just designed it so I'm like, I'm always going to have more cards. I know what you're playing on turn six. It's Taskmaster Plus One and I know where you're going and you're not going to account for Mojo World being everywhere. And it was the easiest AQs in my life.
So yes, Location Control is absolutely insane. And I'm actually surprised you hate Legion because I think it's so fun. I think it's so fun to play. But I guess you've been on the receiving end a few times, I take it.
He's on my favorite list, dude. I love him. I love the card. Arrow is my favorite card, but I can still hate the card played against me. I just, Legion is one of those played against me that I'm just like... Damn, just damn. Here we go again, you know, but yeah, I gotta put him on the list. What is your number?
Number two will surprise you because this is a card that saw almost no play whatsoever And it has been during the Loki season that this card has made a comeback. I'm like, oh, yeah, I hate this card Why is it seeing play again? And it's cable cable is infuriating to play.
Wow. We got personal. I love it Like I'm shocked.
They're stealing a card even if they doesn't matter what they're stealing of yours It's like, it's the mind game. It's the heart. It's like, did they just steal my Loki? Did they just steal my blank, whatever I need to win this game? And it's, it's heartbreaking because you never know. It's like a betrayal. It's like the most epic anime betrayal of all time. Every single time Cable comes out and they play your own card against you because you know they have Quenja on the board.
And even if they don't, they just Loki it and you're like, my card, dead, for no reason, just to feed the machine.
Totally, I get it. I do get it. And like, it throws off like, man, if you play with a track or two, like... It's just useless at that point, like, it just completely throws off, like, like, Honestly, like super sweaty play and like calculating and doing what you do as a, as a really good Marvel snap player. I get it. Didn't think we live in a world where he's brought up, but I love it. Number two for me, man, is going to be do the cardthat was gone forever. He's kind of back now.
And it mainly it's because like, like I don't have Shang Chi on the list, not to spoil it, but like, I don't know. I'm just good with Shang Chi. I've accepted he's good for the game. He's just kind of there. I just hate leech with so much passion and it comes from me being a kind of player that likes loki or combos, man I'm a combo guy. I've always been a combo guy and i'm already i'm like giddy about turn six at times my home Here we go.
This guy doesn't know what's coming right and I don't even lose to him that much i'll be honest like he I could do okay with But gah, I hate him. I, I cannot stand him. I kinda wish he had the effect at the last turn of the game that his effect would go off, not on turn six. I actually hate him more so sometimes because of that, cause now it's two turns, and it's reversing everything. I hate him! His stupid face, his ability. Easy number two for me.
You know what? I'm actually surprised he's at number two for you, honestly, because I thought he'd have been number one for you. Like he is for me. I knew it. I knew it. Screw leach. I knew it. I knew I can't stand this cart. I can't stand this variant. I can't stand his face. I can't stand his eyes. I can't stand the effect. A stupid hand coming across the screen. This stupid hat. Can't stand any of it. Screw this cart.
Screw his hat too. He looks stupid. I look on you. Yeah. Stupid beanie, stupid hat.
He sucks in the X-Men animated series.
He sucks. Just whiny. I hate him. I just gone. Just terrible little. The human mutant. Here's the thing, Bri, I always feel like my lists are personal. Like, you know what I mean? Like I could go with like the people's choices and be like, yeah, Cosmo, and Charu. No, mine are personal. And again, this is a cart. I think people are gonna be shocked. It's right now, it's a gut feeling, which one I hate. And I led to it. It is that Taskmaster, Kitty Pryde less.
Kitty Pryde, I'm just, I'm sick of her, man. I'm sick of her being in every deck, I'm sick and I play her! I listen, I get it. The, the jump that she does, with priority, and the way that she works in the game with priority, makes me absolutely insane. And that's mainly what it is. I don't mind her strength. Any of that. The way she works with priority in this new Hulk bustering your kitty pride into this task master Angela Katamari It drives me nuts. I hate that deck.
And when I go up against it, I just get infuriated. I have her as my number one most hated card. She's beautiful. I play her, but I hate her at the moment is my number one. You sound mad bro. I am mad. I don't have a complaint about her in the meta or anything. Like I don't hate her, her strength and her power level, and I don't hate you for playing her. I don't. I just hate her. That's where the projected anger's at.
That's not true. You hate, you hate us too for playing her.
I hate you? I'm sorry, guys. We talked about the most hated cards today, Loki. And we talked about Alioth, which I'm excited to have our next Snapchat breakdown Alioth. And then next week's card in Ravonna. And there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Mobius is coming to the game as well. Next, we're going to talk about our favorite cards. Flip the Script, we're also going to be talking about his Loki OP. And then, of course, the developers, Q and A.
Cozy, we're going to be talking about our top 10 favorite cards of Marvel Snap so far. We just finished talking about our most hated cards in Marvel snap. Now this is a huge shift. How are you excited to do talk about some positive stuff for a change?
Yeah, I know. I almost wanted this topic. I was like, I wanted to have this on mine. But this is a good cool off, because we shoot mine and then we go and shoot yours. And so this is a good, like, alright, let's talk some good. But yeah, I got my steam off, got my most hated. We had some good discussion, obviously, about Loki and how to counter him. Alioth is coming to the game. And those are two cards that are probably on people's most hated lists.
And so it's good to turn now and look at the top ten favorites. We've been wanting to do this for a while. In fact, we've never done this. We've never just talked about our favorite cards in the game and not like, are they good? This is just like, what do we like to play? Boil it down to just our favorite picks in the game.
Yeah, absolutely. And it's not about like even power. This isn't about like the top 10 most powerful cards we like playing. It's just the top 10 cards we like to play, which I think is an important distinction here because there might be some cards we like to play that aren't necessarily powerful. Right. So cozy is going to be an absolutely fantastic discussion. So let's actually. Get started right off the bat. I'm gonna let you lead the way here with number 10, Cozy.
We're gonna be doing a top 10, we're gonna start at 10. Cozy, what's your number 10?
So we've done, you know, we've done the favorite cards this season, and that's like favorite we like to play, because they're big competitive and helpful for us. But this card is competitive, and it has always been one of my favorite cards, because it's one of my favorite Marvel characters, and the way that it plays, and what it does. My man Deadpool is my number 10. This is a card I could easily forget about and leave off.
But whenever Deadpool and his deck rose up to the meta, it was so cool to see man, you know this, he was a meme card in a sense, he was a fun card, not a good card, forever, in Snap. And what he is, how he plays, just everything about him with locations and his turn 6 ability. I could have put him higher. In fact, this list sucked because there's so many cards I had to leave off, but Deadpool earned the number 10 spot.
It was so hard, so hard to make this list, and I like to call it Deadpool. He doesn't make my 10. I think you're hotter on Destroyer than I am, generally speaking, which is which is 100 percent cool. But like, I can see why getting Deadpool to a massive number is just fun to watch. He's, he's resilient. If he gets Destroyed or Killmonger, then hey, provided he doesn't get Killmonger on the last turn of the game, of course, but... Yeah, it was... Great card to play.
I'm curious, like, off the rip, and listen, this spoils a little, but not really. Like, give me, like, a couple cards you left off on today's list on your side. I'm not going to give much of a reaction. I just want to know, like, just list a couple, because I feel like there's a, like, for me I left Venom off. It was him or Deadpool. I love Venom. Like, I love the way he plays. And it was, like, gut wrenching to leave him off. But I left him off. Did you leave any Mystique? I left Mystique off.
I left Odin off, which is hard for me. I left Electro off. I left I left a couple cards that like, honestly, I do play a lot, but it's, but I just, they're not my favorite cards. Like I really, I like, this might sound crazy, but I like playing Jubilee. Like I like these Jubilee style decks. I like the effect. I like everything about it. But it's just, I haven't been playing as much cause it isn't quite the card I want it to be right now. There's so many other replacements to it.
And so like, I find myself not playing it as often. So my love had kind of faded on some of these cards. And but at number 10 for me, cozy, I gotta tell you, it could be higher, but I'm still falling, I'm refalling in love with Dr. Doom again. Doctor Doom is just fun to play.
It's just nice to hit all three lanes with some power and when you have a location you can't access, or they've played Storm, or there's a Death's Domain, or whatever nonsense is happening, being able to throw a Doctor Doom, it feels good, Cozy. It feels good. And I don't think I'll ever get sick of playing Doctor Doom. And he has some absolutely amazing variants.
Yeah, he feels like, again, the perfect card in Marvel Snap. He does what he does really well. Hopefully we get Doombot variants. I think that's what I would love to see. Doom is supreme, as they say. Number 9 for me, man. The world that I live in right now in Marvel Snap is a zany one. That's the only word I have, is zany and crazy, man. Because I kid you not, I'm not even joking, man. This is for the month of September. Snow Guard is easily, easily my number 9, if not higher.
She does what I love in a tech card. The way she generates, the decks she helps out are the ones that I like to play the most. The ability to bear and hawk, that hawk dude, the bear is cheeky. Like, the bear is like a better Legion, or cheaper Legion for like, you know Central Park, without as much of a commitment. But the, the, the freaking hawk is evil. It's crazy. If you don't like Mindscape, turn it off, man. Don't worry about it. And the opponent dumped their hand, thinking you're gonna...
So many uses to play this card. I get why they're two cost now.
Number nine. I, I love Snowguard. In fact, we're gonna be talking about Snowguard more a little later in my list. But I, I do absolutely agree that Snowguard is absolutely fire right now. And my number nine, I gotta hand it to you, Cozy. I cannot even believe I'm going to say this right now, because it's your fault. It's your fault that I'm talking about Echo at number nine. Because this has been one of my cards that I've been playing so much individually.
I haven't been playing it much on stream. I haven't been playing it much in videos. But just myself, when I'm like, I just been playing Echo. I've been putting Echo in some lists, experimenting with Echo in lists. And like, look, hey, I know you play Echo too. How often? Like, is it happening that people just play, like, their Devil Dinosaur into Echo, or their Professor X, and like, non stop. Like, I can't believe it.
It's crazy. Like, truly, I've tried to say this a while back. I don't have her on my list, but she's like 11, 12. Echo's best piece is that she shuts down a lane, but she doesn't make it obvious like Goose. You know, like Goose is like, pfft, you know, whatever. Echo just sits there, and it's ready to, it's a, it's a facepalm. It's ready to facepalm just whatever's played there, man. And it invisibly, that's a great word, Cozy, you, you graduated.
Shuts down a lane without them even thinking about it too much, right? I, I love it. I think Echo's great just in general of as a card. I know Glynn's talked about it. It's one of the harder ones to balance in a way. And I see why because she is good and works in different decks and all decks really as a good tech card. I love that as your number nine. I'll let you go back to back. Hit me number eight.
You want me to go with number eight? Go number eight. Number eight is where I put devil dinosaur and I almost feel bad because I want him higher Oh, but you know what the problem with devil dinosaur is right now I feel like I have to work to keep him on the board Like, he needs the Cosmo, he needs the armor, he needs, like, there's all these, like, You just can't slap a Devil Dinosaur down and be like, Don't worry, buddy, you'll survive, you know what I mean? Like, you can't do it, right?
So there's all this extra work that goes into Devil Dinosaur, because, like, listen, Marvel Snap players, you guys have gotten better at the game. Like, it's way more competitive now than it's ever been. You just can't slam a Devil Dinosaur on turn 5 without Cosmo or armor and just be like, LOL, he'll be okay, he ain't gonna be okay. So, he needs a little more work, but I still love Devil Dinosaur.
I love I love that he is just a pool one card there from the beginning, and that, like, we've been playing a year in, man, and he's still, like, good. And that he's back, kind of, though, you know what I mean? Like, he had a rough couple months, you know? And so Devil Dino, always just old faithful, old reliable. Next card for me, man, this is, again, one that could easily be higher. I just love to play it.
It, it, It's weird because I would say it's almost my favorite card in the game at multiple times. It's Patriot. Patriot to me could be my number one, dude. I just love him. I love Patriot because of the decks. The Ultron is, you know, is not on the list, but I just love Ultron with Patriot. I love having making cards that sucked good again, but also he represents just consistent power push and consistent points and does wide and tall. And he has both packages in one deck.
Which is why I'll always love him.
I can't wait for your reaction when I give my Ultron number one take. But we'll we'll have to wait and get there to see that. I like the Patriot call. And it's funny because I actually don't play that much Patriot. As someone who plays a lot of Marvel Snap, I don't play as much Patriot as you would think. And I think I need to amp it up a little bit. Because I think obviously, like, it is just, it's just, I think it's like the most consistent deck. Meta to meta.
It's like, if you're only going to play one deck, just play a Patriot variation and you've all, you're always fine. You're always fine. It's never up. It's never done. Sometimes it's really up actually. What am I talking about? But it has this consistency that it's always just a performing list. I feel like it never lets you down. Right?
Yeah. Oh, for sure. And it's, it's one that I can only make so many YouTube videos on, but it's always one that I'm. Trying to make different in some way and bringing, like, I remember I did like a Dr. Doom Sandman, which actually I thought about doing again recently. But there's just too much early play right now. Sandman does not work against Loki most of the time, by the way. But yeah, it does. It feels like a good consistent card. What is your next one on the list?
You're gonna be pissed, but for me, it's Legion. When you talked about hating Legion, it broke my heart, because Legion comes in at number seven for me. Listen, it could be higher. Like, there are times when Legion's my number one. I've been putting so much Legion in, and you know what? I'm proud, Cozy, that you and I were like, one of the few that were like, No, no, no. This card's strong, guys. Location control. It's Marvel Snap. This is gonna be a good card. We kind of called it.
And I think it's lived up to expectations. I mean, any card any time a cardgets nerfed, near immediately after it's release, I think that means it was pretty damn good. But it continues to be good. I still liked it better at 5. 8, but it was obviously over tuned. 5. 7, it's still fine. But, like... Isn't it kind of wild to think, especially with now Snowguard 2, like, magic, like, location control is so valuable.
It's so valuable, and I think it wasn't until Legion that we really understood just how important locations are to Marvel Snap. Like, it's part of the Marvel Snap DNA that we might not even pay as much attention to as we should.
Yeah, it's funny, Legion's here for me too. It's the exact same number. So he's one of my most hated cards because of the way... It's, it's almost like, it's like why people hate it. I'm gonna bring it up. The Patriots for so long. Like when they're popular, when things are popular and good, you just kind of like have this like, Oh, I hate that card kind of thing. Like he's good, man. He's in all the decks. I get it. You know, like a lot of the top players like put Legion in the deck.
It's like, he doesn't even work in that deck. Why are you putting him in there? But it's because he's a good card. I get it. I like Legion a lot. I like what he does. He brings a lot of fun to the game. I said a lot there, because I like him a lot. I'm gonna say it five more times. Yeah, so I have Legion for all the reasons you said. Just a fun... He brings a lot of fun to the game, too. Which is why I definitely have him you know, S somebody up there on my list.
I'll go back to back now, cause I, you know, you said Legion, then I said Legion. Dude, this is a card that's gonna surprise you. This is the one on my list that I think the viewers are like, Oh! Okay, sure. It's gonna be Mirage. I think Mirage is easily one of my favorite cards in the game. I could have Mirage higher as well. Mirage, you're going to see a common theme, does what I love to do.
I take something and I have a better of that something and I find a way to make it work in the deck that I'm running, and then typically I can do that at a discounted rate. One of, again, I've been a big July fan, Jean Grey, all that, Mirage just, it was one of those cards I knew was going to be good, and I think it's as plug and playable as anything.
I've always been a believer in Mirage. I've always loved Mirage. At first, it was getting cut from a lot of decks, right? It was just getting cut. And then now, it's back. And it's showcasing what it's capable of. And I mean, I, I love pulling, I was pulling broods with it when brood was really hot. I mean, brood is still hot, right? Pulling broods, it's like, ah. Chef's kiss. Look at this, right? It's just such a nice, nice thing. I like to call out to Mirage.
So I think it's kind of being slept on and I think it's going to be coming back in the spotlight caches of some of our kind of information that we've received is correct via leaks and stuff like that. So maybe we'll be able to get our hands on some more Mirage. If you missed it on the first time, because it's definitely a card you might want to take a look at.
Cozy number six for me is going to be vision and I know it's a hot take I almost put I've been like I've been playing a lot of shuri lately and There are a lot of times when I have both vision and red skull and I'm like it's got to be vision It's got to be vision.
I care less about the power and more about the mobility right now and vision is the right play I mean when it's a Sauron based deck and you know the bread skull Sauron then it's a little harder to pass up on all that extra power, but Like, I am constantly surprised with how good Vision is. And I remember on one of the first Snapchats that you and I ever did, you talked about how you loved Vision. Because of the mind games, because of what you can do to the board state.
And for that same reason, Cozy, Vision's an incredible card. And, I love hovering his effect over my opponent's avatar.
Yeah, the beam and all of it. I, Vision's so... Cool to play in the game and the fact that he, at one power point, is just the little push of encouragement that he needed to be out there. 16 power, forget about it, and he just works in, you know, call it one of the worst metas in some time, but in some degree, as far as like, I don't know, it wasn't even the worst because there's other decks that do well. I mean, I love the movers deck.
It's just so cool, man, like the Angela getting power, move it to the Kraven, Vision was such a good part of that. It's just cool to see Vision being played in Marvel Snap, and his base variant? Super frickin cool. Really cool base variant. Next up for me, man, and again, people probably gonna think I have her way too high, and I'm finally getting the respect. On the card, it's Jean Grey. This may be too, I can, again, I, dude, you ask me tomorrow if this list can change.
But Jean Grey, though, has been one that I've stood by now for two months. I'm gonna keep on standing by. Is a great answer to a lot of cards. Can just, it just messes up the opponent so much. And you can plan around it. And you can really make it work. So typically, I love to try to fit her into what is a meta deck at the moment and just make it with a Jean Grey spin. The, the control deck, I, I still stand by the little movers, the what is Silky Smooth, whatever they call it.
The Jean Grey edition was my favorite because I think it does everything I love to do in Marvel Snap.
Jean Grey does surprise me you have her this high, but it makes perfect sense. You've been a Jean Grey believer for a long time and I think her time in the meta is going to come. Right? Cause right now you have so much cost reduction, it can be easy to play into the Jean Grey. Then you had the bounce. Like, it's like we need a meta that really allows Jean Grey to shine. And maybe Alioth is the meta. Maybe that, that is like at some point gonna be the one. But I like the call though.
Cause Jean Grey also, also, okay, this is a whole other topic I don't want to derail us. But, is some of the fun factor based on the quality of the variants you're playing too? Like, is that just me? If I love the variant of the card I'm playing, it makes me want to play it more? Cause Jean Grey has amazing variants.
For sure, I mean, that definitely has. There's a, there's a card I'm gonna mention that I don't have a good variant for. And I still love it, and then there's one that I do and I love it, right? I think Jean Grey, by the way, I do think Jean Grey's meta's been here. I think the, the Silky Smooth, that was it, dude. Like, you would kill him with that deck. That deck, I thought, beat other decks of that caliber. And I thought it was better. The other one was a bit more popular.
Cause it had Legion in it. But like that deck, to its core, felt really strong. And the meta did for Jean Grey. It had a brief absence because of Boosted Patriot, but both Jean Grey and Mirage were just two cards that I think could fit into so many more builds than Snap. And hopefully more people get them, right? But right now they're all damn S5. Next one for you.
Number 5 for me, this is a hot take for me. And I'm expecting a little bit of heat, a little bit of pushback on this one. But this is where I put Shuri. Because I've actually, I know, cause it's not, I know you're like, it's not a fun card, Alex. It's not a fun card, but it, for me, it's like, there's nothing in Marvel snap that just straight up doubles power like this. Like, I mean, you can make the argument for Iron Man to some degree, but Shuri is so fun. Cause I just talked about vision.
What makes vision fun? Shuri. Because you play Shuri on Vision on top of Shuri, and BOOM, you got this big boy that's flying around wherever he wants to go. I like Shuri. I think it's been fun to play, especially since, like, it, it was kind of being slept on for a while. I, I feel like I've been talking about it for weeks, and now it's making itself come back. And of course, when everyone else starts playing Shuri, it's gonna kind of fall off my fun meter a little bit, because it is what it is.
But I think Shuri's fun! It's a crazy thing. And sometimes, listen, I know the play pattern is nothing crazy. The new Shuri Kitty style deck is kind of a little more engaging than the traditional Shuri based deck. I like it. I've been enjoying it. I think it's fun. I'm sorry.
Do I think Shuri is fun? I always have. I've always thought Shuri was a blast to play. Shuri is great time, but then people be like, how dare you don't hate it? I'm sure there's a lot of Galactus players up there that are like, I've been saying this. To me, Shuri always feels like you play Madden and your friend picks a chief. And you're just like, cool. I'm sure you love the Chiefs. Like, they are, they're a fun team to watch. Like, Shuri is great, and she always has been.
I think I trained myself to hate the top meta, and it, it takes a lot for me to earn that love back. Like Galactus, I'll always hate just a bit, right? Even though he wasn't on my top hated because of that whole thing. Leech, great example. I, I swear to g the, the leech leader season has ruined that card for me. But yeah, I don't fault you for putting Shuri I think a lot of people would agree with you. Yeah, I was definitely surprised though.
With all the hot takes you have, I was like, yeah, okay, yeah, I like Shuri there. I would be ashamed of myself if I didn't mention there's a couple cards. One, you guys are gonna be like, how do you not have it on here? But my man, shh, toh, foof, Agent Coulson, my God, I could just get hot and sweaty talking about this card. I don't even have a good variant. I have a, yeah, like, I've got, like the, I've got the new, I've got a couple.
He's got that new one, the summer skin one, which to me, I can't portray my sweet love. For Pixel Agent Coulson, he's my boy. He looks even worse and better at the same time with no background. He's just he's just the worst card. I swear I did it cracks me up if you haven't seen the new variant this one.
This is great, too He fell a little bit of my love meter because I wasn't able to play in the last couple months and the fact Say what you will I don't give a damn about loki The fact that I can play this card again makes me so happy. I love how many good 4 and 5 cost cards there are to slot into my deck and then win with those cards. And now with Loki, it's all the more fun because if you, if you roll the dice and you don't get good rolls, you just get rid of them, right?
Like, Quinjet's back, which makes Agent Coulson back. How could I not? Look at those swim trunks, man. Look at that six how is he so yoked? I don't know, I love him.
Yeah, I love Agent Coulson too. And he has had a major resurgence in the meta, and it's good to see. He's a super fun card he's in pool 3, he's accessible to more players, and he's a key cog to a number of different decks, whether you're playing Dino decks, whether you're playing just straight up Quidget value style lists, whether you're playing Loki, he's a good part of that. And again, we set up a four. You're one of the founding fathers of agent Colson love, right?
So, I mean, it's it's a great call and I'm glad to see one of the, one of the boys making you proud number four for me now, this is, I keep saying this is the spicy one, but this is, okay. I reserved this for my favorite tech card, the tech card that for me just puts a smile on my face and. You had him up before we talked about him. It's Shadow King. It's Shadow King is like low key. I play a lot of silver silver surfer when I'm playing for fun.
I play a lot of surfer and Shadow King has been dismantling people's dreams because they just don't expect no one respect Shadow King right now and the high I get from. Oh, you have a 14 collector. How will I ever beat that? Oh, well, there's like a million ways I can beat it, but everyone, no one's playing Shang Chi anymore, apparently. And so it's like Shadow King drops in or on the Angela or on the Kitty Pryde. It's just, it takes people by surprise every single time.
I can't tell you how many cubes I've stolen. I love Shadow King.
One of my favorite things about Marvel Snap. Darnon in the snapchat and the fact that we haven't missed one of these in a damn year Is that from the Thanos arc of hate that the Alex had to Shadow King? There's a clip it could be months back right because I know you had him in like your sleepers at some point Maybe a month back.
There was a time where I even like mentioned him I just like sneezed his name and I got like a two minute rant of how dare I mention that trash on this family Friendly podcast like the hate you had for Shadow King was so real for a long time and like Thanos, too And they're full circle, baby. It feels great Like that's what's so cool about this game and that's how you know It's a healthy game like right like didn't you hate a shadow King know for a while and I'll look at him
Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of it, but he was terrible The reason why I hated him is because I ended up Pulling them is one of my series 5 drops of some crap. Like when the, the old version of the Collector's Reserve, you get like, one series 5 card in two years, and I pulled Shadow King. And I'm like, this is it, I retire. I'm done. Like I'm not doing this anymore.
It was the same reason you hated Super Scroll, for a while.
Yeah, it's just, it was an emotional like, Baggage situation. I had nothing to do with the card is about what the card represented. It could have been an actual proper series five card, but it was four, four shadow King. That's absolutely no play. Absolute trash heap of a card. Yeah. I took emotional damage. Thank you for bringing it up again, by the way. It took a long time for me to move past this.
A lot of therapy bills. I'm telling you dude, top three, baby, the top three. Now you just said, do you like a guard? Cause you have a good variant. Like, yes, but I've always loved this card in the way of I love the character. This is just easily one of my favorite cards in Snap. And there's times where it's one, there's times where I'm just, hmm. I just love it, man. Iron Man, all day, every day. First of all, it helps that I do have, in my opinion, the best, the best variant in my collection.
It doesn't come close. I, I love this Iron Man variant. I've got so many splits of him, and the golds and the inks, but this is the one. You had Shuri and I get it, I had Iron Man for the same reason. A double Power Man, where they can't counter that, is so, it's so fun, it's so fun. It's so good to do his, his card feels perfect thematically. I love how he works, you've always had access to him. Iron Man? In Marvel Snap is the iconic perfect card in my opinion. I love him.
He could be higher, but he's my number three.
If I had this variant, I'd love him too. This variant is absolutely insane. Golden Kirby Crackle, Gold Card, Ultimate Variant. Like this is absolutely insane. And the card is amazing. And then I actually, in one of my beginner's guide, I talked about how like, you get amazing cards up front. Like cards that you might not realize are amazing. And Iron Man. Is I mean, it's not in every single deck, but it has a role to play. It's effect is so powerful.
Like talk about playing a card that says, Hey, you want to really play into this lane now, now that Ironman's here, do you really want to man fight Ironman? It's not going to happen. It has an amazing effect. It has, it's obviously the inverted Mr. Negative Ironman is by far the best card in Marvel snap bar none, right? Like the zero five Ironman. That's literally the best card in the game. It's just.
It's a remarkable card, and it's obviously an iconic character, so I'm glad it gets some love in Marvels now.
The fear factor of him, too, is like, there's so many times I'm only up by one power in my Iron Man lane, and I just abandon and do the other lane, because the opponent's like, they're not gonna challenge you, there's no shot, most of the time, good chunk of the time. The thing that you could play Hawkeye, Medusa, Sentinel, and Iron Man now is like, they're fresh out the gate, dude. Have fun. That's a killer, you know, killer cards right now. What is your top three?
Now we're in the top three. And for top three, I mean, we're talking about right now. We're talking about like literally right now. So it's Loki. Loki's gonna come in at number three for me because I think the card is an absolute blast to play. I love playing it. And it's brought back my love for Snowguard. It's brought back my love for Mirage. I mean this is, it's just enabling me to play cards that like I wasn't playing before.
The cables and all these other, there was cards that we were generally sleeping on. Agent, Agent 13 wasn't even seeing play. And all of a sudden, Loki brings them all back. And so I think the play pattern of Loki, I think that it's, it's a, it's just so fun to play. A whole new hand. Every single game feels different. I think it is fantastic and whether or not it gets changed in the future is irrelevant. If the effect remains consistent, it's so fun to play.
I love Loki as a card and I'm not loving necessarily the power level. I'm loving the effect. I'm loving the play. I'm loving what it's done for Marvel snap.
I might say more later. Number two, Alex. Number two yes, I will talk about Loki briefly. Number two, and this, this is, man, I, I've stood by this cardfor a long time too. By the way, spoiler, Eiro's not on my list. I know, speechless in shock, I love her. I can love Eiro. I just don't have to like her right now, you know what I mean? She's my wife. Number two.
Iron Lad. I've always been on the Iron Lad train, as I just probably just I've always just claimed as being one of the best cards in the game. And my god, has he just stood the test of time of being as good as he is. Iron Lad is just m my the fun factor, bro. You can throw him into any deck, he's versatile. He's good. He's good value. I love Iron Lad. I've never felt bad either having him in a deck or playing him, getting him early, whatever you want to call it.
He just fits he fits the meta because he is usually the meta in a lot of ways love iron lad.
I just finished talking about how I hate iron lad So it's hard for me to really say too much positive about him But like I get it I get the love for iron lad cuz he's he's one of those cards that has the highest deltas of emotions like oh I missed the thing I really needed but at the same time like I love him in hella list cuz like I didn't drop my hella But guess what? I get to reach. I get to do that reach play, right?
I play behind the invisible woman, and if I don't pull Hela, I'll still do the Modok and Iron Lad and just pray and hope that something beautiful happens.
Because, because he's not, you know what it is, is A, I'm a combo player, right? So, like, obviously, yeah, the exact thing. But also, like, you, you touched on it. Jubilee was a long time one of my more favorite cards in the game. He is, you don't give a rip about Jubilee's one power. He does what Jubilee does, but better, in a sense, and then you get two copies of that.
So you're getting, like, two copies of a card, you get to do a lot, it tells your opponent what card you got, it doesn't matter. Love him to death. What's your number two?
My number two is probably not a surprise. And it's Jeff the Baby Landshark. Yep. How could I not love Jeff the Baby Landshark? You know, you were pantomiming the words as I said it. And I know, listen, I know Jeff scammed you on the game show with Ben Brode. Scammed. Because, you know, Negasonic Teenage Warhead. And Jeff's just like, nope, this is the correct answer. And Cozy just started crying, getting insulted by Ben Brode over and over again. Poor Cozy. But it's Jeff.
It's always Jeff. I love Jeff so much. It's maybe. It's maybe the variants that are too, too beautiful that I just can't, I just can't not play them. It might be the fact that he's legit. One of the best cards in Marvel snap, probably he's top three. It's helps that he is a card that always, it's like, he feels like a get out of jail free card half the time in Marvel. So he is the Marvel snap. Get out of jail free card. I love Jeff. I can't get over Jeff.
I keep playing Jeff. I keep talking about Jeff. I put Jeff into every single deck I can. And Jeff is the most commonly requested card for substitutions in my YouTube comments section. You get, you have to get Jeff, okay? You have to get Jeff. He's an absolute beauty. And I don't see him being changed. I don't see him being nerfed. I don't see him being changed around. He's just an absolute beauty.
I love Jeff The way you talk about Jeff is like how I talk about Arrow. It's like, I love it. It's, it's beautiful to see. I love chocolate ice cream. I'm gonna have chocolate ice cream every day. I get sick of it. And that's how I felt about Jeff a little bit, like, I get it, I love him to death. I have him probably, like, somewhere in the 11 to 20s, like, good card, yeah. I just, like, man, he's everywhere, you know? But yeah. I actually think he's really good for the game, too.
I think it's cool to have this, like, do they have Jeff? Like, do they have Shang Chi? For lockdown stuff. I think he's a great card. I do love Jeff. Number one, Alex. Here we go. Call it what it is. We're talking about September right now. And I, listen, I'll, I have plenty to say about this card in our next subject. I do. And it doesn't matter if he's overpowered at the moment or if he's not. Loki, to me, is, call it what you, he could be terrible right now. Terrible.
And I'd have the same stance on what he does. You just mentioned that at number three. He is me as a player putting to a card, man. Like, I love the variance. I love the randomness of how he plays. I don't know why, I, I'm the weird guy that loves having like district X and stuff every now and then. Cause I love randomness, I love playing the game enough to know, let me put these things together and try to make them work.
And Loki does that, and then it gives you a slight advantage, which, obviously he's a good card, so it's a pretty big advantage when you, you know, combine that with Quinjet, whatever. Remove collector from the equation. I just, man, it is why I loved Rocks and Hawks, it is why I built decks like that, it's why I think the these kind of card generation decks have always been one. And then just Devil Dinosaur was in the Rocks and Hawks build because gosh, Devil's fun, right?
And then you get to play him too! So it's the perfect combo of everything I love. And regardless how you feel about him, and or if he's overpowered, and by you I mean the viewer, he's just me in a T as far as favorite, and I'll continue to play him down the line.
I've been loving Loki, I've been loving Loki, and I started, I mean, he was the inspiration for this topic, like, I remember doing my reaction video the night of getting Loki, and my, my whole thing was, I don't care how good he is, he seems super good, I'm having so much fun playing this card. I stay up till like 4 in the morning playing that card. Because I couldn't stop playing it. It was so fun. It was actually fun to play Loki.
And I don't care about anybody else saying this either, but I loved pulling bot decks. I thought that was hilarious. I pull these Nakia like absolutely trash hell cow decks. I just laughed. I was like, this is, this is why I'm playing this game right now.
Every game's fun. And like. If you want to be super sweaty and be, I don't think I'm ever the guy that's like, I love Shuri or Galactus in that meta, right? I'm not saying now with Shuri, like what you said, but like in the Shuri meta, I love Shuri or in the Galactus, like hot take, I love Galactus. I've always avoided that. In fact, I actively do. I really enjoyed the moving deck and then I had to stop playing it because I'd try to do other things. With Loki, it's just like what I love.
It's what I love and it's gonna continue to be. Now we will talk about Here in a moment after we hear your number one. Is he overpowered? Let's get to that here in a second What's your number one?
My number one is my most split card in marvel snap. It's the card. I play more than any other And it's America Chavez. I had to go to America Chavez, number one. I know it's nothing too sexy. But this is a card that makes, listen, everyone that's listening right now, you guys play America Chavez way more than you're giving it credit. This is such a key cog to the Marvel Snap machine in so many ways. This card is beautiful.
I feel like it's one of the auto includes in so many decks and that's not always right. It's not always right There's it's not a go into every single deck the way dr Doom felt like it used to be but tell me cozy when you're deck designing. How much consideration do you put into? Is this a chavez deck or is it not a chavez deck because it really does come down to that in many different lists Like do you like if the more front heavy centric your deck is you probably want that Chavez?
It's a very important decision and some decks are better when Chavez is taken out some decks are better when she's put in For various reasons. I just I love this card. I think it has a very unique position of Marvel snap It's my favorite card in the game.
Yeah, if I was in top 10 cards in the game, I could put Chavez there And good I just like like personal fun and personal like not for me But I get it like it enables the other fun in it in a sense right and it does feel good Getting her when you want that reliable, like, 9 power. I think what has me most shook over here, I expected Chavez. I did. And this is why the list was so hard. I interviewed you in front of 10, 000 plus people on what was your favorite card in the game.
And you, like, stood and salaried. This is before she even got buffed. She was trash and you loved her. How, like, I get, this is, I'm just, like, I was, like, the whole time, like, here you go. Here you go. Marvel. I don't care if she got nerfed, she was buffed, then nerfed, how? And she didn't even make the top 10?
You know what man, it's, it's that first of all the nerf hurt me. It hurt. But, what really happened was everyone started playing her. And she was in every meta list, and she was overplayed. And I was like, okay guys, I loved Captain Marvel first. I get that you guys love her too, that's okay. We can share. But, it kinda took some of the allure off me. I was like, I was the only one playing Cap for a while.
I was the only one playing, I was playing ShuriCap, I thought it was funny, no one else did. And then it became meta, and it kinda just ruined it. It kind of just ruined it because I don't know what to say. So cap fell off for me, but Chavez still remains the core consistent piece.
Surprised to see it. I was surprised to see it, but I love it. I love the honesty. I love the honesty.
We grow up, man. We grow. We grow. Learn from challenge and change.
One, one might say. Well, let's go to go into that subject we've teased so much now, right? Is Loki overpowered? So Alex Kocha, is he overpowered? Powered I'm gonna let you kind of open up the conversation again No matter what you say here the camp on the other side is gonna be mad at you, right? So just speak speak what you genuinely feel not what you've seen. Yes I think the best way to go about this conversation is What they should do to them Why is he so right now like why?
Yes, he's overpowered And I think it's exactly what we alluded to on the eve of his release in that initial podcast. It's the mana reduction It's always been the man reduction in every single card. It's the mana reduction and Zaboo It was the mana reduction and it's the exact same thing here. What makes Sarah so good. It's the mana reduction You're doing Sarah's effect basically kind of not quite but still on turn three or four Right?
Except you can drop cards to zero with Quinjet on the board, which Sarah can't do. So, like, yes, it's overpowered from that standpoint. We've seen time and time again, it's this recurring pattern of mana reduction being overpowered in a card game with 12 card decks. Yes. So, it definitely is overpowered. However... However, what I will say is this. I'm glad it came out like this. It shook the meta, it slapped the meta. It completely threw the meta upside down. And you said it before.
It's way better if a card comes up and shakes things up, than a card come out and just go like, you know, poo poo. Which is what Nimrod did. Nimrod incited no confidence in the season pass. It incited no shifts in the meta. Phoenix Force was exactly the same. Those sucked. It sucked. I'm happy. I'm happy that Loki came up and shook things around. Okay. But yes, it's overpowered cozy.
Yeah. I, yeah, I agree. I'm not I, I love like asking questions, listening and then being like, yeah, overpowered. It's like the, there's gamer talk, like op and then there's like overpowered or overt tuned. I think he's overt tuned. I think there's some cogs that need to be adjusted. Anytime you can say a card's over tuned typically is when you can adjust something and there's still a good card i e Legion, right? Like it's a very easy thing to see. And Loki fits that mold.
He's a very complex thing though. And he introduces something in the snap that we haven't faced. I stand by this and I've seen this take. I, I'm thrilled that this game is not about Shang Chi and Enchantress all the effin time now. And you just plug them into these mid range, try hard sweaty decks. It gets old. The fact that these best players can't plug in Loki into these friggin mid range decks makes me over the moon happy. I think it's great. Because we've had the same game for a year.
Where it's like this Shang Chi show, and I do like what he did to mix things up. Because he did that, it's gonna take time to find the proper solutions to that. The takes that I've seen on this card, they're kinda la It's just funny to me, like, if you go back and look, Jeff was deemed a gr just a bad card. He was just deemed a bad card, night one, you know, Iron Lad. It was like, oh, he's mid, right? These cards have been in every deck in the meta since the release.
And so it's like these knee jerk reaction takes are just terrible. Early impressions are fine. Knee jerk reactions, I don't think so. And I think as a like the, the best sweatiest people are gonna play the best sweatiest decks and they don't wanna innovate. So I totally get that whole, like, argument towards it. So that's the side of, like, let things settle, let us find things that work. I agree, the, the answer is not finding a deck that counters Loki and loses to everything else.
That's not a good argument, right? However, it does puzzle me, and like, let's not be stupid, it's a season pass card, like, they're gonna sell more if they make it slightly better than slightly worse. It does puzzle me, though, that they can look at the collector, and how that worked, and do enough testing and the mirror matches to be like, yeah, this, this is good. Like, there, I think it's, I, I think it's fun. The, there's a couple things that I love the flavor.
The fact that like, Hela and Thanos are decent against Loki is so thematically beautiful. I love that. I love that, all the Lokis, right, if you've seen the show, all the Lokis, there's that Loki when you get their Loki, and then, that is so chaotically Loki, I love it. But it's a problem. And it comes back to why Collector was a bad card, but also a good card, and that's because he doesn't have an ongoing effect. Is the problem Collector? Is it Collector?
I want you to, right now, give me what you would do to Loki. The OTA comes out next week, and they, which I won't have Loki, it's too soon. We don't have Mobius, by the way. That's a giant cog. Sorry to go on a rant here, but we don't have Mobius, so for them to... I thought it was a bold decision, and probably more of a financial one, for them to put Mobius at the end of the month, then countering the season pass week 2, week 3.
But that's gonna change Loki's dependent just his whole entire role in Snap. But what would you do to Loki if you could change him on a snap?
First of all, holy crap, dude. You just hit me with like nine massive questions at one time. Like, you just put me in this spot. It's like, answer these absolutely insanely hard hitting questions over and over again. Okay, first of all, I think you just touched on the most important thing, though. Like, talking about what you're gonna do to Loki, part of me just wants to wait. Like, honestly, because I saw those Twitter threads and stuff you were talking about.
People were like, oh, we got a Nerf, got a Nerf, and I'm like, yeah, I get it. It's kind of over tuned right now. But at the same time, you have Triple M that's coming out. Triple M completely destroys this card and it completely destroys Ravonna. So they have to release Triple M at the end or else like, there's no point in getting these cards.
Like Ravonna is going to have a week of, of like, you know, combo centric play before Triple M says no. And I think Triple M is going to be a Cra Okay, I'm saying it right now. I think, I think Mobius M Mobius is going to be a fantastic card. So the counter is coming. It's literally there. It's, it's in Like, you see it. It's right there. But in the interim, what do you do? Now, we know that they can do OTAs and stuff, but I think this card can't be changed, like, to a 4 power.
That's not enough. Does it get changed to a 3? Or a 2? Maybe. Like, I think the 5 might be a problem, but if you change it to a 3, then Cerebro 3 can't even counter it anymore. So, like, it doesn't exist in a perfect vacuum. So, what would I do? I would consider making it so the cost reduction has a minimum of one, which is what the quinjet effect does. So that kills that element of it. Does it kill to kill too much, but also can you do that via OTA? Probably not.
That's probably a patch change, right? That's get locked in weeks in advance. So that has to get locked in weeks in advance. You probably have to wait for the triple M anyway. So, like, I don't think there's that easy of a solution, cause anytime people say, Oh, it's easy, just go, snap, change it to a 3 4, like, it doesn't, that, Loki's not the problem. Yeah. It's the cost reduction, it's the pumping, it's the snow guard, honestly, like, it's everything else.
He played a lot, like, this season's starting out a lot like High Evo, like, everybody we won High Evo, everybody save up, we all got him, and then, like, day one, people hated him. Because, too good, everybody hates. Too bad, everybody hates. It's just how it works, and like, I'm gonna catch flack for it, but I, yes. It is, releasing High Evo without Luke Cage out there is what this is, though.
It's like, having no solution to it is why it is, but also it would be, it's more, like, High Evo has big, bigger things going for it than the negative power pushing that it does. So, like, it's not as Hazmat deck, And we both played Hazmat and Mirror. It's like, who does that Hazmat better kind of thing? Kind of, right? Without Luke Cage existing. And that's what Mobius is gonna be. Playing Mobius on 2, goodbye, goodnight. It's gonna really change the landscape.
And, and then you're like, well, I don't want to have Mobius in every deck. He was gonna be, Mobius is such a good card that he's gonna be such an important tech piece moving forward anyway. And it's Loki season. Everybody's playing him right now. We're not trying to innovate. I agree. You kind of have to wait a little bit. To me, I don't know about the negative. I'll be honest like the whole like zero cost thing.
I I get it It's not like it's almost like it's not a problem for one cost cards It is for the two costs when you have like when you start getting a little crazy out there with like, When they start to compound is when things get a little nutty. I don't think having a 0 2 snow guard is that big of a deal. I really don't. I don't think that's why I'm losing to Loki mirrors. For me, it's more of like, what do you Ugh, man. I don't even know how you code this.
If collector only triggered one time... I think that's how you ultimately fix Collector from Loki, like I, because there's, there's, there's talks of do you allow Loki to get other Lokis, that's a fix. Do you allow, cause then you don't have to worry about that. Do you allow, Collector being a dependable 20 power, it's just silly, to me that's the thing that stands out is like, if he was 13 or 12 dependable and like you could really get things cooking, great.
Him being like 220. I've had like 240. I've had someone destroy a 240 and then I just put another one I've had someone I had a 218 on TVA Like before within four get that to me is the problem.
So I think you can't nerf collector You need to nerf their synergy in some sense, but I don't know yet I think we don't know the exact solution yet putting Loki at a 3 3 would also be actually pretty impactful as well the collected lane you can win, but you have to figure out what to do with the other lane, and that could hurt a lot. His effect is great. I think it's awesome for snap, but you have to figure that out a bit.
The way I look at collector, it's similar to Morbius, right? Morbius is a two costs. It gets super vertical for a specific archetype, right? So the hand size archetype is loving, is loving collector. And it always has. Collector has always been a pretty good card but it usually topped topped out at like six, seven with double dino Nick Fury type. stuff, right? Never got to these crazy levels.
You're talking about 18 power TPA collectors and stuff and also pulling their collector and putting their collector down and playing their Loki and they both collectors just ramping and all this absolute chaos, right? But what I will say is the key thing that Morbius has is it's. The ongoing tag. And so it makes it more vulnerable to more things and chantress things that counter the ongoing, obviously. Right.
Does, and you don't, you're not seeing collector in like spectrum lists or anything like that. So does adding the ongoing tag to collector ultimately result in more counters and more of a.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't think you do that too. I don't know. It's tough. I thought about that too. And it's like, does that hurt him too much? Cause that is a bigger thing than people think. Right. I just, yeah, it's tough. Cause then also echo counters the collector now very cheap, like. There's other implications that would work there, but then you could also Mystique Collector, so then it's like that's a little too chaotic too, but maybe that's a good buff to make it then decent.
You have two of them because you can do that with Morbius. I don't know. We're gonna have to see. I will say the biggest reason I want Loki to be nerfed, and I, I do think, ultimately, not I think, he will be adjusted. It's gonna happen guys. You can still get him. And he's gonna be good, but don't be that guy that gets him now and complains that he got adjusted. It's gonna happen. I'm warning you now. Something's gonna happen. Mobius is gonna affect him too.
However, I want him to be adjusted mainly because I can play him as one of my favorite cards in Snap and not get a lot of crap for it. Because I'm gonna have to stop making guides and I hate that. I wanna just, I wanna have him in there as like a card that can fit into like any deck, right? But at the moment... He's going to be hated on for a while. So I'm going to have to turn my head from him. It's probably my biggest stance, but it's going to happen. It's I won't be surprised when it happens.
And I think the first one with it being a season pass card, and we're talking about people's money, they're going to be careful. Around it. But if there's one thing I know, Glenn is really good at balancing the game and he's really good at making sure it feels right and it fits right. And that's going to happen. Yeah, absolutely.
And I think this is time to move on to the Q and a portion of our discussion here today, which I think is really fascinating, right? Cause a lot of people were asking questions about the meta, about balancing and other things. So let's actually dive right in cozy. The first question coming in to Glenn was about Leech and whether or not the team has a different view on Leech now that it is once again gaining in popularity.
For those who don't realize, Leech is being played in the Sheenot style decks and was originally nerfed. Before this even happened because you had leech as a literally one of the best cards in the game was going absolutely wild. So ultimately Glenn did respond that they're happy with leeches position. They often talk about release valves, how certain cards might be too strong and some cards have to just exist in the game. So cozy cards like Shang Chi, they have to exist. To exist in the game.
Cards like leech, they have to exist in the game. Enchantress have to exist in the game. They might not always be fun to play against, but these release valves really do a lot to keep the game balanced. And so hearing Glenn say that they really like where leeches are right now, kind of surprised me because it made both, both of our hated lists, but maybe it's a necessary evil.
Yeah. I think, listen, people hated Shang Chi until they did it, you know, until they're like, wait a second, I get it in a sense. And some people still hate them. It's why I think Alioth is coming out right alive is in a sense gonna do that same role He serves to make sure that things can't get too crazy Shadow King another great example, right Shadow King completely does that now?
What's interesting is like mega sonic did a very baby Alioth And so I'm wondering like can we get a bigger Shadow King right? Like I don't know We're gonna have to see how these tech cards evolve but yeah, a little crazy. But I, I think they know what
they're doing. The next Q and A question is actually really fascinating from the standpoint of, we just talked about Loki being potentially overpowered. So the question was, is it ever too soon for a nerf? And so I think this is a really interesting point. And Glenn did respond saying that they like to wait at least two full weeks. Although they might just start thinking about options sooner, give the deck a week or two to mature.
Be optimized, and then give another week for people to actually react to it. That doesn't mean they're not going to take quick action, but I think the information gathering is important. I actually like what Glenn says here, and it's kind of going back to what we said, Cozy, before. Where it's like, yeah, Loki does come out a little hot, but like, it was kind of good for the meta to get a bit of a shake up.
But like, give people a chance, like we got hundreds of cards in Marvel Snap, give us a chance to make creative attempts at countering this card, right? And the other thing I'll say, in defense of the development team, right, I'm not gonna completely defend them, they obviously knew it was coming in hot. At the same time, like, when you release a card to the masses, we're gonna figure out things that they probably didn't figure out internally.
There's always gonna be applications they didn't quite land on. The thing with Loki was I felt like the first deck I designed was nearly perfect. Like I nailed it right off the bat. Like it felt like it had a much easier application. I like Alioth. Isn't like that. I think a lie is going to need a lot more testing, but Loki right off the bat felt like, Hey, this first deck I made actually is really good.
And I feel like people caught onto Loki very fast, even though I still think there's room for even better decks out there, but yeah, cozy. Is it too soon for a nerf?
Yeah, I think what they said is good. I think it is going to take a couple of weeks. They're on it typically. Like, they're on it typically, right? Like...
The the absorbing man making his way into like the official patch instead of an OTA was like just a good reason like they gave it a bit of time we were shocked it wasn't in the OTA they gave it a little bit more time and then they killed it because it was a bit too much so I think they're letting it cook a little bit dude I think always the problem with this right and thank god we don't live in the Zabu surfer era anymore back then and I think we can always say that for the better is like you
Just because something gets nerfed doesn't mean it's bad, and I don't know, like, it's impossible, like, it's impossible for there not to be comments of, Snap is pay to win, then they nerf it just to rob you. Like, it's, that's gonna happen, because it's tied to direct money. So, it's tough. I think the sooner they nerf it, the better, just because it does. At least a small adjustment, because it gets that out there a tad. But also, I can see them wanting to only nerf it one time.
And so they want to really key in the what's wrong with it. And then they ultimately make sure that they usher out the nerfs. Same thing happened with Silver Surfer and Zabu, if you remember. I think maybe, does Zabu only have one, I think, right? And Surfer, I think, was Zabu one or two, I, I forgot, but I'm pretty sure both of those were just one nerf, making sure they got it right, and then lo and behold, they're still good, great cards, they've been the best cards in the game forever still.
Nerf doesn't mean you wasted your money, but I think they want to get it right and not hit Loki with two nerfs right after people get him, you know?
Here's a question about what happened to Spider Ham. The question was, was Spider Ham's change influenced by playtesting Mobius? And that's pretty interesting to ask because you know, the idea of getting a, you know, potentially Frog, you know, a card with 20 power for free, but after getting hit by him was kind of a factor here.
And Glenn did reply that say, Nope, the primarily influenced by nerfing Spider Man was, was apocalypse living tribunal, Heimdall, Odin, and other major turn six place that were so negatively impacted. By Spider Ham's existence. So yes, Spider Ham is effectively dead. But I think what they were seeing was that like these top end six power cost cards were not seeing as much play because they were just getting decimated by this one singular card, especially in conquest. So you know what?
I actually really liked Spider Ham, but it was pretty overbearing on the meta.
It's funny that like, we haven't seen it all too much with new cards. We've seen like leech. Where they released it and I think they hated how it turned out. I don't think they, I don't think they honestly liked how Spider Ham turned out in the game. He's a tricky one too. The fact that he released as he did too, like the one guy is just silly. He probably needs to go back to OneCast, probably, if that's what they're gonna do with him now.
Like, I get that they said that, like, well, if you're playing Spider Ham and you go against an infant on deck, this kind of helps you. It's like, whatever, man. Like, we all know, we all know it definitely hurts him more than it helps him. It's just a weird one. He's a weird card, man. He's powerful. I actually think he's pretty good and important, but they definitely I think it, we've never seen it this quickly and swiftly on the old bacon.
Yeah, and you know what? I mean, we're kind of complaining about it, but at the same time, the frequency of these patch changes, the frequency of the OTA updates, they're keeping this game fresh. And I don't want to lose sight of how impactful that is, because I've played other games where it'd be like, nine months before anything changed, right? And it was the same damn Oh look, it's Facehunter! Again, for the thousandth time for the last seven months, right?
Ain't happening in Marvel Snaps, so, that at least is a very good thing. And Cozy! It's time for us to say goodnight on another fantastic episode of the Snapchat. Thank you to everyone for supporting our content, for listening to us ramble for what has been basically two hours of content. And you know what, Cozy, I gotta tell you, I love the fact that we get to do this every week and we're closing in on a year.
Closing in on a year, man. That's Nutty. It's crazy too. It makes me, I think like I get a video out like every other day on average, probably almost every, every other day on average. To think back that I'm going on a year of doing that, of like, that I'm tired for me, but I'm not tired because I love it. You know what I mean? It's craziness that we've been doing this. And it's just great, dude. I love it every single week, man. And looking forward to next week.
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