Here's an oldie but a goodie from the archives from the Side Hustle Show Greatest Hits collection. How a Free Challenge Turned Into a $500,000 a Year Business Welcome to the Side Hustle Show! We're aspiring part-time entrepreneurs learn how to turn their side hustle dreams into reality because your 9-5 may make you a living but your 5-9 makes you alive. And now your host, Nick Loper!
What's up? What's up? Nick Loper here. Welcome to the Side Hustle Show live from beautiful Livermore, California, an awesome inspiring actionable show for you today. My guest is Tiffany, the budget-nista, Aliche. She's a former preschool teacher who's built up a business that's on track to do half a million dollars in revenue this year. And the cool thing is, it all started with a completely free challenge. She runs the Live Richer Challenge at LiveRitcherChallenge.com which has helped more than 160,000 participants save a collective
$17 million and pay off $1.5 million in debt. In this episode, you're going to hear how Tiffany came up with a challenge idea, how she got people to join. And now the 4-5 revenue streams, she's using to turn this thing into a super successful business.
And links to all the resources mentioned are at sidehustlenation.com slash LiveRitcher. And I know Tiffany's challenge and marketing have evolved in the years since this was recorded. It may not exist in the same form that we talked about. But my challenge to you is to think of how you could apply a similar strategy in your own niche. What kind of cool value-packed challenge could you offer to reach new people and turn them into raving fans?
Ready? Let's do it. I was a preschool teacher for 10 years and I was doing well. I mean, I was making like between $65,000 and $70,000 a year because I used to tutor on the side and babysitting stuff on the side. And everything seemed great. A group in the house where money was talked about all the time. My father was a CFO and an accountant.
I just learned about money at home. Then when I lost my job, everything fell apart. I lost my savings. I took all the money out of my retirement account. They tell you not to. I ran up my credit card, my house went to foreclosure. I was like, jeesh, just everything fell apart. And it was in the rebuilding that I realized, okay, all the lessons I learned at home. My dad was serious about learning about money. He took us to money classes and stuff. So I used everything that I learned to build.
That's a great influence. It was, honestly. And so when I was rebuilding, people would ask me, well, how are you doing it? Because I'm in the same position. So I just started showing family and friends. And that's how it started.
Family and friends are asking, hey, what's going on? So did you end up getting a new job at that point, another teaching job? I knew I didn't want to teach in the classroom anymore. Just because I felt like I'd outgrown that. So I was volunteering at all these different places like the Boys and Girls Club, the United Way. And trying to figure out what I wanted to do, thinking I wanted to be a party planner. Don't ask me where that came from. But I was like, that's what I totally want to do.
So everybody's dreaming to be like a wedding coordinator or something like that. I know. And so, but in that I found that as I was volunteering for these different organizations, I found myself sneaking into their classrooms and watching their presenters teach and being like, that's not how you do it.
And like teaching and showing them. And then as I was helping people at the organization with their finances, people started asking me more and more. And I would sit down with folks and they were like, well, can you write us like a curriculum? Since your teacher, and at the time I had my masters and I still do an education, I thought I was going to become a principal one day, but I didn't.
And so I started writing curriculum and lesson plans for these organizations where I was volunteering. And so those lesson plans and curriculum eventually became the literature challenge. Okay. Listening to what people are asking you for help with already. I like that. What was like the first step in getting this challenge off the ground? Did you take me about the early days? Like I could I could start like the side hustle challenge. Like how am I getting my first my first participants?
I started I started a post at the end of 2014. Like, hey, I'm going to be doing a literature challenge. It's going to be a free resource to help you get on financial track. If you're interested, let me know below. It was just a Facebook post.
Just on your personal Facebook page. And a ton of people were like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, because by then I was already like three years into being the budget needs to sew around the city where I live. People knew me to be like, oh, that's the financial education lady. Because I taught volunteering does something great for you. You get your face in front of so many people. So people knew me.
So when I posted it, it wasn't a huge surprise because by then I was hosting free community classes. They were sponsored by the United Way. They would pay me and I would host classes for the whole community to come to for free and teaching financial education.
So when I said, hey, I'm going to be doing it online. The same stuff we're doing class. People just showed interest. And I did it on purpose so I could start to collect interested parties. And then I think I put up like an event bright like just so people can say that to add themselves to like a list.
And I didn't I wasn't even using like, you know, like a Weber or like infusion software, anything like that. It was just post interest. Here's an easy free link to sign up so I can collect the emails. Okay. So when somebody signs up for your event bright thing, which was it free? Yeah, it was free. Okay. So a free event bright event. And then that gave you their email address.
And I started to craft what I thought the challenge should be like I was like, all right. So I teach this six week course for the United Way. So how do I condenses into I think at the time, the first challenge I condensed it into five weeks. And the way the challenge works is I really played into what I knew about people from a teaching perspective is that people want to be told exactly what to do. They don't want you to have them figure it out.
So I was like, okay. So instead of me saying, here's some ways to do stuff. What if every single day I told you exactly what to do. And so that's the way the challenge works. You sign up and every day in your inbox for the length of the challenge, which is about a month, you get one easy financial
task that says, Hey, call your service provider. Tell them you don't have the money. Here's a script. If they say no, here script number two. If they say yes, here's script number three. And then let me know how it goes. So that's how each task went. You didn't have to know how to do anything except for read, write, add, subtract.
Okay. So probably weeks people are getting it is all delivered through email. Yes. Are you writing these out like the day the morning of and hitting send in the beginning. I was in that was really hectic. And so I realized, you know what? Maybe are there other ways I can get people to connect to different platforms. I'm like, okay, one, I finally, I think I signed up at the time. I use intuition soft now, but I was using a
Webber. So I'm like, okay, one, they're opening my emails. But what if I could get them to my blog. So in the email, I would say, Hey, today's task is learn how to budget. You can learn how to rock this task here.
And then I would like to make to the blog post. So like forces all of these people to one of my email, then two, Hey, to my blog. And then while I'm my blog, you know, I was like, I would have like, you know, tweet this out. So then I was like every step of the way I was trying to get them to touch all of my platforms to raise like my profile on all the platforms.
Okay, okay. This is always a debate like, Oh, you know, how much of the information do I include in the body of the email versus like trying to get traffic back to the site. I'm glad to hear your take on it.
Before then, like, I don't really consider myself a blogger because I was literally blogging like, I mean, if you got something out of me once every four months, you're lucky. So I didn't have anything on there and trying to get my blog active. And so this was kind of the way like, okay, well, I know that at the time my first year in 2015, I wanted 10,000 people to sign up. We got that we got about 20,000 people signed up for the challenge. And I would say about 50 to 60% of them came fairly regularly to the blog via the daily emails.
For me, sometimes things happen that I don't plan on, but it was totally awesome. So I had this online Facebook group. And it was specifically for when I was teaching these classes in person in the community and volunteering. People kept emailing me and I was like, look, I can't email everybody back the same answer. I'm going to form a Facebook group. If you're a class member, if you've come to one of my classes, post your question here. I just added those people to the Facebook group.
And I called it Dreamcatchers Live Richard. And somehow people from the challenge found the group. I didn't post it anywhere. I don't know how they found it. And people started adding themselves and asking to join and then sharing what was happening with them during the challenge. And I was like, this group is not for that. And then I realized, dummy light bulb.
And so I started posting the group link in the blog post like, hey, tell me how you rock down on today's task here, you know, group link to the Facebook group. And it's a private group. So you have to request to join. And that is what really made the challenge take off because now you had people 10,000 people every single day talking about one particular task that you gave to them.
And you mentioned people, OK, they're going to link to the blog and then they're going to have an opportunity to share this on, you know, their own Facebook and a Twitter and stuff, starting out with your own personal network that you built over the years, you know, doing these in person classes.
I'm curious how you went from your personal network in this world. And maybe you just had a huge network to getting 20,000 people over the course of a year. Like there was some element of virality there. You know, a tipping point. Yeah, what you think led to that explosive growth.
Honestly, it was not explosive. It was like it was so like because what I did was I started in I want to say June and it literally took till January of the next year to get the first like to get 10,000 like every week was like we had to scrape big for people to join. So my initial networks, I'll tell you when I first put it up, I think 500 people instantly. So that was like my hey, I know Tiffany network.
But that's good. That's OK. You know, but because you have to remember by then I had been teaching financial education in the community. And I think I had like an email list of like 2500. So getting 500 was like, OK, 500 folks. Sure. Sure. And then to before Facebook kind of like made this illegal, when I first was starting the budget needs in 2009, 2010, one of my homeworks to myself was I used to go and friend 100 new people a day or at least request to friend them.
Because I knew that like I, I thought Facebook didn't have Facebook groups or Facebook business. So I was using my personal page as like a soft business page. So I wanted a whole bunch of friends. So just random people. Yes. So what I would do is I'd be like, like let's just say I was your friend and I'd be like, Oh, Nick and I have friends in real life. Let me go through Nick's friends list. These people have head shots. He looks important friend. This one looks like you know.
So literally I would friend you based upon your picture that you look like you work for a company that might pay me to speak friend. And so literally like, but like obviously you cannot do that now. So now I have a friend list of like 5000, but really it started in 2010. And then in 2010, I used to post a tip of the day, a financial tip of the day on my Facebook page.
So on Facebook, I was known as like in my nickname on Facebook, well, my name was Tiffany, the budget needs to be changed. And so I'm posting tips of the day. I'm sharing pictures of me speaking around in the community. So I had already laid a strong foundation for when the challenge came. It wasn't as huge like who's this girl? It was like we've seen for years that she does this. Now I'm looking back. I was like, yeah, I think I think we were friends on Facebook forever met you. Wait a minute.
You got caught up in the Facebook. Like, hey, he looks like he might be somebody who might know somebody who might know somebody. Oh, you guess wrong. You guess wrong. And so when I put it out, yes, about 500 people signed up right away. But then I went to school, my bachelor's degrees in marketing. And I use every marketing thing I can think of. I used to do a quote of the day. Like, did you know 60% of women, you know, don't have enough of retirement. Don't let that be you.
Side of for the challenge. So we were using all of these different tricks and tips and posting all of these different quotes and creating all of these meme boxes to get people interested. One thing that helped a lot was I reached out to the first 500 and say how many of you ladies would love to be a live richer challenge leader. And they were like, oh my gosh, because women love to be like a part of like an exclusive group. They're like, I would meanwhile, it meant nothing.
Like, there's no such thing as a live richer challenge leader. I just made it up. But as a result, I got my friend who was a designer to create these meme boxes where it was their picture. And it says, I am a live richer challenge leader. And the website at the bottom and the women love them because they were really pretty. And their job as a leader was to sign up between 10 and 20 of their friends.
And so, okay, that helps significantly. And then once a month for like six months, I would talk to the leaders on the phone and see what was working, what was not working. The leaders formed their own Facebook pages to sign up their friends and get their friends excited because the leaders, most of the leaders knew me personally. So initially, yeah, there was a personal connection.
Exactly. So they were just like, you know, to tell their friends like, oh my god, I know Tiffany. She's awesome. The challenge is going to be great because people had not experienced the challenge. It was a hard sell. So that helps significantly. And honestly, we didn't use, I didn't even know how to do Facebook ads. I didn't spend any money on ads for the first 20,000 women.
This is like, you know, taking a page out of the network marketing book, except without really, you know, buy my SIE drink. It was. And I mean, I honestly, I didn't know anything about like, you know how like you have all the marketing guys online now. I didn't know anything about any of that. All I knew was intrinsically what made people move. One being part of a community. Two, we use a little bit of fear tactic. Like you don't want to be the old lady eating cat food. Join the challenge.
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They also offer an optional paid product found plus. Okay, so 60% of people don't have enough retirement. One day join the challenge next day. Don't eat. And then to really to me what tipped it was having to live with your leader sign up their friends and then to what we did is in the beginning of the challenge. One of the tasks were to get an accountability partner. Ask your friend your co-worker your mom your sister your someone to do the challenge with you as she had to sign up to.
Okay, so you're getting like two for one. Yeah, so we said we in plus you know it was free. But you know that helps significantly too. Like so people started and then once we kind of tipped over I think once we hit like 5,000 it started to roll a little bit faster because we were posting the numbers like every time we hit a big number like 5,000 women have signed up for the challenge.
What are you waiting for? I would post it on cross all my social media platforms and then women would be like oh my god 5,000 it can't be a scam of all of these people have signed up. Safety numbers right. And then what I would do was for the women that did sign up like every every two weeks.
I would send like a awesome resource so that way they wouldn't forget that the challenge was starting so like every two weeks I'd be like hey here's this great website I like you know challenges starting in six months. Hey this is great book I'm reading challenges starting in six months don't forget to ask your mom your sister your cousin your friend so I kept them engaged because I started collecting people a full six to eight months before we actually launched the challenge.
That's a good point so this is kind of a start and stop things don't go you say it goes for five weeks or five week period.
You know where this content is being delivered so the rest of the time is kind of like in anticipation and you know what happens after the fact like you could you go through it again or you know how do you engage those people you know if somebody wants to join in the middle like if it's all kind of on automated delivery system theoretically they could but like you want everybody going through like the same tasks the same time.
Well in the beginning it was just my intention to do this one time like bam bam thank you ma'am like all right we're done and then the women were like no where you going we want like I want to do it again and I was just like okay and so that's when I was in the same content like the second time around so I recognize that some women started late or there was some Johnny come late.
You know like oh my sister told me it was awesome is it too late so it took me a month but I automated guest the same content and then we you could just sign up for it and it it would run throughout the year and then what I did was I said you know what let's do a new challenge every year so 2015 was the first challenge and we automated it after the collective community did it in January by March anyone could join and then by like November I turned it off and then we started collecting people for the 2016 challenge which was the same.
Which was the savings edition which is just about savings and so we ran that in January and then as soon as it finished in February we turned it on automatic so right now that's on automated so you can join the savings addition challenge or you can join the first initial challenge which covers budgeting saving credit debt insurance investing money mindset it covers like basically everything you know and so both of those you can you can sign up for it and you'll get those automatic emails in your inbox and you can do whatever you want and so I'm going to do it again.
So I'm going to do whatever you want and so when I got the first 10,000 women those are the women who would sign that by the time we started the other 10,000 came throughout the year through the automated challenge.
If I want to sign up today I could and it would be no effort on your part like it would be automated delivery to automated delivery and then you would just like you would still get the same content as everybody else but automated delivery and the group still run so now the group has shifted away from being just about the challenge and now it's just women helping women with their financial lives so 24 hours a day women post every day.
So to get the women post everything from somebody wants the other day I'm so mad at my husband I could throw punch him which I thought was hilarious she was like he's the worst bed there he doesn't know how to save what can I do and so other women
will give her advice which I thought was so that's what the group has become like hey I'm buying a house what do I do or who I bought a car with the money that I save from the challenge what are you guys up to so just to support group for women working on their money. investment in moderating as any group that size is going to attract spammers. Yeah, for sure. So one thing we do do is in the beginning, you could just join. Now, if someone added you, we would add you.
So now we have some rules that one, you can't be added by someone else. So if it says Nick Loper added Dave, we ignore those and we delete those requests. Dave has to add himself. So that helps because it's like someone has chosen to be here. Two, it's difficult to just be added to the group. So one way to be added or one way to find us is you go through the challenge and then you get it in right. And then also on the challenge page, there's actually a little link that says like join the forum.
And when you click the link, it's actually a survey that kind of runs you through the group rules before you join. So I have about 12 admins. I don't have a Lee admin on the group because they pretty much take care. I just kind of go in and give virtual high fives and answer some basic questions. But we've got a ton of financial experts in there that just like willingly share. So I don't have to be like, you know, in the beginning though, it was like hours and hours.
But now, you know, I might spend, I want to say maybe an hour a day, depending like sometimes I'm having fun and I spent a ton of time and some days I don't make it to the group at all. Yeah, it's been kind of, you know, I always has it in to start the side hustle nation Facebook group for kind of that same feel like I don't want another thing to manage and moderate and create content for.
But it's like it's kind of turned into this cool community on its own where people are answering, asking and answering questions without my involvement. And I'm so far knock on wood. Like, you know, do very little moderating like only maybe I delete one post a week or something or say, Hey, you know, thanks for sharing that. But like can you give us a little more? Give us a little more meat of like what can we take away from this experience or something? This is all awesome.
My question for you is you're giving it all away for free. How does this help you pay the bills? I know you still have like living expenses and and I've turned this into a business. So you want to talk about what that has turned into as a result of this? Yeah, honestly, surprisingly, I'm not going to allow. We make, we make about a half a million dollars a year. I know right? Sometimes I'm like, give us a little way for free. Yeah, I know. Honestly, and here's how.
So one, I used my social influence to flex on social media. So basically, you know, I'll share like, Oh, like we've got 10,000 women doing this. And we're saved 17 million dollars. And so companies hired me to speak to teach their audiences. So that's one way. So last year, my speaking and like book sales.
So even though the literature challenge is actually free online, you know, they kick button book sales, even though I say on the site, like because what I do is every day, the task on my blog post at the bottom, it says, Hey, do you want to do the same challenge, but in book form, maybe you're not a computer person by the book here. It's at the bottom of every single day.
So for three weeks, you're seeing that little picture of the book and it says that people buy the book, even though they know, yo, it's free online. I'm doing it for free. And that's what I'm seeing this link. That's the only way to advertise the books. People buy like the book like just this month alone, we sold well over a thousand books this month alone. Wow. And so that's one, two, like I said, speaking for different companies, colleges hire me. Like I work with Prudential.
I just signed an influencer contract with Ford today. Oh, well, I used to work in Ford. Really? I'm excited. They sent me a car. I was like, OK, we could do this. What? I know. Jesus. And so, but because that happens when, because I'm treating my audience well, they come, they stay and they're interactive. And as a result, companies want to get close to that. So they pay. And so last year, like I said, so last year in speaking and in book sales, I made about $150,000.
And then this year, we launched the literature academy. So this will be the first time that we really charge the individual. So the academy, the way it works is that it's a monthly fee. And it's the next level, the challenge is basic financial education. The academy, I've gotten all these financial experts from around the country to come and teach a course that's their expertise. So we have a tax lady. We've got a student loan lady. You know, we've got people that that's not my expertise.
And it cost $12.99 a month. At first, it was $9.99 a month when we first opened in March. And now it's $12.99 a month. And we already have over 4,000 students. So just do the math for $10. $4,000 students, $40,000 a month. That's a pretty serious, pretty serious continuity business and membership business. Exactly. On top of that. But that came from years of giving and giving and giving. I was nervous to say, hey, audience, would you pay for more because they're not used to paying?
And they were like, okay. And then I do affiliate links. But I'm always very transparent about the three or four things. I actually really like, like, I love digit. I love e-bates. I love credit karma. So I didn't even know that they had affiliates. In the first challenge, I was mentioning all of these great resources. But I didn't have a link because I didn't know anything about affiliates. And then a friend of mine was like, why are you not making money off these suggestions?
I'm like, well, how do you do that? And he was like, these companies have affiliate links. You're already mentioning them because you used them and you love them. Throw your link in there. And I was like, it can't be that much money. What? This year alone, an affiliate money, I think I probably made about $60,000 in affiliate money. It can add up. Yeah. And so all of these things combined. That's why I said, this year at minimum, we'll take in about half a million.
By next year, I really, at the rate that the academy has grown, because we just opened a march that will be about a million dollar a year business by next year. Yeah, okay, so we're recording middle of June. So it's only three months old. Yeah. And we're already making basically like, what is 40,000 times as well? Yeah, you said 40 grand or 50, almost 50. So it's easy to look at that and say, wow, that's crazy. I don't do the same thing. But it's like, we kind of not glossed over.
Well, we put in some time for four or five years leading up to this to build, you know, it's a whole no like and trust pyramid where you've been given this value away for quite a while, but still really, really inspiring. What do you see as like the next step outside of the academy, outside of the speaking things, like you do in keynote stuff? Where is this thing going?
Yeah, so I do do some keynote stuff, but I was asking myself that the other day, because you know, you kind of are like, ooh, I remember my first goal was if I could make 500 dollars a month, I'll be golden. You know, I've been there. I've been there. You know, and then you're like, oh, like, I mean, the academy has blown everything out of the world. I'm not even going to lie. It's not even. And just last year, like, we've quadrupled this year.
So this, I just, I feel like honestly, I just want to do good work. I'm writing a children's books. It's nice to be a preschool teacher. I feel like there's a lack of fun financial education materials for kids. So I'm writing a children's book. And I think it would be so awesome if like, I have a main character in the book and I want her to become like the door, the explorer, but for money in case like on Nickelodeon somewhere. That's, that would be awesome.
And then like, we're opening these things called Dreamcatcher Chakters. So the women, which is so awesome. They've actually started meeting monthly offline. So there's like, oh, there's a New York group. This is St. Louis group. This is Texas group. That's 500 women strong. And I'm like, wait, you guys are meeting without me? What the heck? How did this happen? And so we're going to make it official. So we're going to roll out Dreamcatcher chapters. Yeah, the Dreamcatcher.
So that's the name of our tribe. They name themselves after the name of the group Dreamcatcher. And the other day, they were like, yo, we want a teacher. And I was like, yeah, nah, I don't feel like it. They're like, one lady was like, if you don't make it to teacher, I'm making it to teacher. And that's like, all right. So I put up like a design and I was like, well, pick which one you guys like. Over 4,000 people were like, we like this one.
And I'm like, wait, 4,000 times, let's just say I make a t-shirt and it's 10 bucks profit. That's crazy. And I didn't even want to make it to, not that I didn't want to make a t-shirt, but I don't like putting out chachkis just to put it out. Sorry. So they're asking for it. Exactly. So that's what I've learned. I've learned that I deliver what's requested and you don't have to wonder if it's going to do well or not. So yeah, there's just all of these different streams of income.
I don't know what the end goal is. The end goal is just to do, don't work and make good money. With you, I don't know, I can retire tomorrow and what would the day look like. You don't probably be doing the same thing because I love doing it. Sounds like you're kind of in the same boat. So that's really, really cool. I'm curious, all I'm just on the membership site, one of the challenges that always comes up is like, well, how do I keep people in there? How do people engage?
And so are you going to be constantly trying to create new exclusive content for just for that group? So yeah, so the way it took, I'm not going to lie. This is how people really love you. So when we first opened the membership site in March, it totally sucked. I was like, what the hell is this? And people signed up and I remember we were constantly like, I thought it was awesome until people were kind of in there and they were like, what is it? What?
Because it was pre-recorded and they kind of ran through all of the courses so quickly. And so I was like, wait, so how do I keep people engaged? It took forever just to take these first 10 classes. And it cost a ton of money. And I was like, it's going to eat up all of our profits. So what I did was I said, OK, we started thinking of other ways to deliver. So one of the things we do is we have instructors now teach live.
I have a private YouTube channel and then I upload or I embed the video into the actual academy. So once a week, you can take this live course. Like right now, of course, that's happening is real estate investment for beginners. And so Christina teaches on Tuesday nights at seven. We haven't had a started business course, chic A2 teaches Wednesday nights at eight for three weeks. And so that keeps people going.
And then every single Sunday, we have an Ask the Expert series where I find one of my dope friends to come on for a Q&A about like their particular financial expertise. And so I don't have to teach the other courses. But on Sundays, I do like, that's kind of like where I have to invest the time. It's like on Sundays for an hour, I sit and I do the Q&A and people watch live.
So that keeps people interested because you know, there's going to be a new course that's going to roll out every month or so. And then every Sunday, it's going to be new material. So that's what keeps them going. And we have a private Facebook group specifically for the academy. Sure. Well, if you need some help, people have questions about side hustling. You know, I'm happy to help. No, I would love to. That's one of the biggest requests of for sure. Absolutely.
Tiffany, this has been just really eye opening stuff like an incredible movement that you built. Tiffany, how did the budget needs to calm you find all the information about the literature challenge over there? Everything she's got going on. So I say, thank you for joining me. And let's wrap this thing up with your number one tip for side hustle nation. Build your tribe now. I wish I wouldn't have waited so long because we'd be like probably a quarter million by now.
Now, don't care if you have 10 people. Build your tribe. Treat them awesome and give, give, give. Love it. Thank you so much, Tiffany. We'll catch you up with you soon. Thank you. All right. Hopefully this chat with Tiffany has your gears turned on. What kind of free challenge you can host to grow and connect with your audience? I know she's got me thinking about how I can borrow her strategy there.
So my top takeaways from this chat number one, it starts with your network and it snowballs out from there. I know this is a common theme, but strengthening your relationship is something you work on regardless of whether or not you have a business today. Like when people ask, oh, how can I get guests for my podcast? It's the same answer. Like it starts with your network and it spiders out from there. How do I get freelance clients? It starts with your network and it spiders out from there.
So I know you've heard me say that over and over again, but I think it's true. Your network really is your network. And that's how it started for Tiffany. That's how it started for me and that's how it started for just about everybody. I can think of number two, give people tangible results. She gave the example of a step-by-step money-saving script. And that's the kind of thing people can immediately take action on.
Like following a recipe, step-by-step, and when they see it work, they're motivated to keep paying attention and help you spread the word. Go away number three, figure it out as you go. This thing started with what Tiffany knew, personal finance, including admittedly, her successes and her failures along the way. But she knew anything about online business, but she figured it out one step at a time. And that's what we all have to do. Like I'm still figuring it out as I go.
So be sure to head over to sidehustlemation.com slash live richer, all one word, all of the budget nestas, top tips from this conversation. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in this week. Until next time, let's go out there, make something happen, and I'll catch you in the next edition of the Science and Social Hasselon.