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The Rest Is Money

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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market. Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic landscape. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com.
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255. Trump trade tariffs - who is calling the shots?

The episode dissects Trump's State of the Union speech, his tariff claims, and the Supreme Court's decision limiting his power. It explores the real-world economic damage on American small businesses and the challenges for larger firms seeking refunds. Additionally, the podcast delves into the tariffs' unsettling effects on UK manufacturers and trade relations, questioning Starmer's appeasement strategy and highlighting AI's role in masking some negative economic impacts.

Feb 26, 202643 min

254. The outsider’s edge: How Sir Michael Moritz built a billion-dollar empire

In this episode, venture capitalist Sir Michael Moritz delves into his personal history, exploring his family's escape from Nazi Germany as detailed in his book 'Ausländer,' and how being an 'outsider' shaped his career. He shares insights on what it takes to identify and scale successful startups like Google and Airbnb, emphasizing traits like humility, communication, and tenacity in founders. Moritz also addresses the challenges for UK tech companies and offers a candid perspective on Donald Trump's political influence and its historical parallels.

Feb 23, 202647 min

253. The truth about immigration - who is coming and who is leaving?

What impact does migration have on the UK economy? Are we heading for net-zero migration and does it matter? Is the so called ‘brain drain’ a real thing? And why do politicians love talking about immigration so much? Madeline Sumption MBE - Director of Oxford University’s Migration Observatory - talks to Steph about the complex reality behind the numbers. And as they delve into the stats they also look at the politicisation of immigration and discuss what immigration policy is really for. The Re...

Feb 19, 202653 min

252. The £1 trillion war chest: why the UK is stronger than you think

Karen Ward discusses the UK economy's 'split personality,' where strong household and corporate finances contrast with a pervasive lack of confidence, driven by Brexit, energy shocks, and tax speculation. The episode explores how global political chaos often leads to government stimulus driving market highs, and the bond market's increasing role in holding politicians accountable for fiscal prudence, using examples like Japan. Finally, the conversation highlights the UK's strong position in AI development and the technology's transformative impact on markets and the future of work.

Feb 16, 202647 min

251. The man who rumbled Mandelson: Dan Neidle's Epstein files investigation

Tax lawyer Dan Neidle uncovers the depth of Peter Mandelson's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, detailing how Mandelson advised JP Morgan to threaten the UK Chancellor during the financial crisis and leaked sensitive government documents. Neidle's investigation also reveals Epstein's role in securing lucrative post-government jobs for Mandelson, highlighting a profoundly corrupt dynamic. The episode further explores Mandelson's and even Sarah Ferguson's interactions with Epstein, exposing ethical lapses among powerful figures and the broader failures in accountability.

Feb 12, 202647 min

250. Business Secretary Peter Kyle: being let down by Mandelson & the UK-China relationship

Business Secretary Peter Kyle provides insights into the UK's delicate trade relationship with China, balancing security concerns with economic opportunities for both manufacturing and services. He also addresses the controversial figure of Peter Mandelson, reflecting on his brilliance and flaws in light of recent revelations. Additionally, Kyle outlines government strategies to boost UK business growth by supporting scale-ups and tackling the adversity faced by high street businesses, including specific VAT challenges in sectors like hairdressing.

Feb 09, 202651 min

249. ⁠Epstein, Mandelson & the system that failed survivors

The discussion delves into the Peter Mandelson revelations from the Epstein files, scrutinizing his repeated scandals and Keir Starmer's decision to appoint him as ambassador. It exposes Mandelson's alleged leaks of market-sensitive government information and his betrayal of colleagues, highlighting the extensive web of powerful figures entangled in the scandal and its ongoing ramifications for trust in politics and finance.

Feb 05, 202643 min

248. How Iran’s uprising has been driven by economic failure

How is the mass civil unrest in Iran, and the brutal killing of protestors, linked to the collapse of living standards? Why have Western sanctions been a blunt tool? And how rife is corruption in the Tehran regime? In this episode, Steph and Robert examine whether there is a route back to freedom and prosperity for Iran. Esfandyar Batmanghelidj, Founder and CEO of the Bourse & Bazaar Foundation offers a deep analysis of the economic grievances that have destroyed social cohesion, and examine...

Feb 02, 202654 min

247. Sir Keir in China & will there be aftershocks from Japan’s bond quake?

What links Japan’s new prime minister with Liz Truss and Margaret Thatcher? Can Keir Starmer balance relations with Beijing without jeopardising ties to Washington? And why are Steph and Robert so worried about the future of hairdressing? Steph and Robert assess the $7 trillion upheaval in Japan’s bond market and discuss the risks and rewards of Starmer’s visit to China. They also examine the UK’s most overtaxed high-street industry, asking why hairdressers are being hit harder than anyone else ...

Jan 29, 202658 min

246. Why we need more businesses to go bust

Why have US productivity and living standards outstripped the UK’s? Why is it good news that more British businesses are failing? And why is the challenge now to make sure younger, more productive businesses get the capital they need? Steph and Robert talk to Ruth Curtice, Chief Executive of the Resolution Foundation , about the report card the Resolution Foundation has written on whether the government is meeting its central ambition to promote growth - and draw back the veil on Reeves’s income...

Jan 27, 202643 min

245. The TACO president - Why Trump Always Chickens Out

What is it that makes Trump back down? Why is Mark Carney, a former governor of the Bank of England, one of the only ones standing up to him? How strong is the EU’s hand in all of this? And why is the UK’s dependency on the US about more than trade? Steph and Robert look at what the latest Trump chaos means for the global economy and why “Britain is America’s lunch” right now. Email: ⁠⁠the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

Jan 22, 202647 min

244. Why Lord Frost wants a Thatcher revival

Does the negotiator of Britain’s exit from the EU accept Brexit has failed? What in Liz Truss’s disastrous mini budget does he still endorse? What are his plans to revive the think tank that gave us Thatcherism? In this episode, Steph and Robert sit down with Lord David Frost - the Brexit negotiator turned head of the Institute of Economic Affairs. They examine whether his climate “realism” is in fact climate denialism and his arguments that the British state has grown too big, too intrusive, an...

Jan 19, 202642 min

243. Identity crisis: why the government can't make up its mind about Digital IDs

Are the u-turns on ID cards and business rates bad for the economy? Can the Northern Powerhouse Rail deliver what it’s promising? And why is Donald Trump strong-arming banks and oil companies in a way that looks more like old-fashioned state socialism than free-market capitalism? Steph and Robert examine Labour’s modernisation agenda and ask whether Donald Trump has swapped free-market economics for a “Banana Republic” style economy. Email: ⁠the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismo...

Jan 15, 202656 min

242. Ignore the doomsayers - the UK is innovating

Hosts Steph and Robert discuss with venture capitalist Saul Klein why the UK's innovation economy is Europe's strongest, ranking third globally in "Colts" and "Thoroughbreds," and first per capita. Klein asserts that Britain is in its best shape since the late 19th century, driven by a multi-stakeholder capitalist mindset contrasting with Silicon Valley's model. The conversation also addresses challenges like skills gaps, the surprising growth in northern cities, and the critical need for government and domestic capital to fully leverage this inherent innovative strength.

Jan 12, 202648 min

241. Greenland’s magnetic attraction: why Trump wants it all for himself

Why is the Trump land grab as much about the economic war with China as it is about defence? How is his obsession with Greenland linked to magnets vital to energy, missiles and communication? And why are the PayPal mafia in lead roles? Steph and Robert assess Trump’s empire building and whether Kier Starmer has finally discovered how to be cheerful about the economy Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

Jan 08, 202644 min

240. Levelling Up 2.0: What Actually Works for Regional Growth?

Andrew Carter from the Centre for Cities discusses the UK's persistent regional economic inequalities, highlighting the significant productivity gap between London and other major cities. The conversation delves into how 'new economy' industries drive growth, the crucial need for investment in local skills and education, and the transformative potential of strong transport infrastructure. The episode also assesses the impact of devolution and 'levelling up' initiatives, noting progress in some cities while London's own performance struggles. The discussion concludes with an optimistic outlook for the future of major cities outside of London.

Jan 05, 202640 min

239. 2026 Predictions: a bubble bursts, Starmer’s only hope & Trump’s vulnerability

Robert Peston and Steph McGovern review the dramatic economic events of 2025, discussing the UK government's cautious approach to growth, its impact on businesses, and the role of local devolution. They also analyze Donald Trump's significant influence on global trade through tariffs and his challenge to the Federal Reserve's independence. The hosts explore the burgeoning AI investment bubble, the US-China economic rivalry, and conclude with a cautious yet hopeful outlook for the UK's economic future, emphasizing political stability and ambitious policies.

Jan 01, 202644 min

238. How to prepare the UK workforce when 3 million jobs are at risk

This episode delves into how the UK workforce should prepare for significant changes, including a projection of 3 million jobs at risk over the next decade. Guests discuss the "Skills Imperative" report, emphasizing the importance of transferable "essential skills" like communication and problem-solving. The conversation explores the challenges schools face in integrating these skills due to accountability measures, successful business models for community engagement, and the critical need for lifelong learning and re-skilling for all ages, with a focus on neurodiversity and supporting disadvantaged communities.

Dec 29, 202542 min

237. The extraordinary story of Britain’s first tech titan

Who was Mike Lynch and how did his tech companies make him a billionaire? How did he avoid prison in an American fraud trial when he’d only given himself a 0.4% chance of winning the case? Why did his tragic death spark conspiracy theories around the world? Katie Prescott, technology business editor at The Times, joins Robert and Steph to discuss the extraordinary life and death of a British tech billionaire, on whom she’s based her latest book: The Curious Case of Mike Lynch . Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

Dec 25, 202556 minEp. 237

236. What M&S can teach Starmer (Part 2)

Archie Norman discusses Marks & Spencer's transformation, aiming for a 100-year future by embracing innovation in food and clothing, leveraging AI, and tackling retail challenges. He reflects on how past corporate pride led to decline, urging a culture of

Dec 22, 202535 min

235. How M&S saw off the cyber criminals and its plan for the next 100 Years (Part 1)

M&S Chairman Archie Norman reflects on a turbulent year, detailing the immense impact and critical lessons from a major cyber attack on the business, including the need to assume the worst and the role of media in such crises. He also critiques the current government's economic policies, highlighting the heavy regulatory burden on retailers and the perceived lack of a robust growth strategy. The discussion extends to M&S's strategic decisions regarding store closures, redevelopment plans, and their historical role in food innovation, providing insight into the future of British retail.

Dec 18, 202547 min

234. Is GB Energy Starmer’s missing growth plan?

How is GB Energy building a third of Britain's daily energy requirements? Can it hit the government’s clean energy target? And how is it creating high skilled jobs and new cutting edge businesses? Steph and Robert find out from the chair of Great British Energy, Jürgen Maier - the former government advisor and CEO of Siemens UK. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

Dec 15, 202551 min

233. The Trump Doctrine: Why Europe Is Failing & Who Wins the Warner Bros Bid?

What are the economic and business consequences for Europe of Trump’s National Security Strategy? How is the US president shaping Hollywood’s future as Netflix and Paramount fight for ownership of Warner Bros? And who is missing from the major conflict negations needed for peace and economic prosperity? Robert and Steph assess the impact of the latest manifestations of Trump’s determination to run everything. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

Dec 11, 202545 min

232. How British AI is inventing new materials

How is AI being used to transform how we create new materials? Why did the young British AI company doing it raise most money outside the UK? How might this solve some of our biggest problems like climate change and water pollution? Following their conversation with Science Minister Sir Patrick Vallance, Robert and Steph speak to Dr Chad Edwards, the CEO and co-founder of Cusp AI. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X...

Dec 08, 202545 minEp. 232

231. Can The NHS Afford The UK-US Pharma Deal?

Why is the NHS paying more for new medicines? Will the government at last buy from British tech companies? How can the UK life sciences be more entrepreneurial? Lord Patrick Vallance, the government's Science, Innovation Research & Nuclear Minister (and former Chief Scientific Advisor), joins Robert and Steph to talk about trade deals, scale-up finance and how investing in the Oxford-Cambridge corridor might mean growth for the whole country. Visit: https://www.gov.uk/teachinfurthereducation...

Dec 04, 202552 min

230. Dan Neidle on how Reeves’ tax reforms will work

Why wasn’t the chancellor more radical? How will the new mileage tax for electric vehicles be collected? Is the new mansion tax fair? Robert and Steph deconstruct the budget with tax expert Dan Neidle. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@The...

Dec 01, 202543 min

229. BUDGET BONUS: Did the Treasury Lie?

Why did the Chancellor and Treasury suggest the public finances are a disaster when they weren’t? Why did the Office for Budget Responsibility call them out? What is the true story behind the income tax u-turn. Steph and Robert discuss. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

Nov 29, 202537 min

228. BUDGET SPECIAL: Where's The Growth?

Do Reeves’s budget sums add up? Who will be hurt by her tax rises? And has she put saving her job above reviving the economy? Steph and Robert discuss. Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformation at https://www.goo.gle/10stories Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠...

Nov 27, 202541 min

227. How Economics Can Stop Us Making Stupid Choices

How can governments and businesses nudge us to change our behaviour? Are we too easily manipulated by the private sector? How do we design economic policy for the real world, not mythical perfect markets? Robert speaks to the father of behavioural economics and Nobel prize winner Richard Thaler. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com. Wealthify is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Wit...

Nov 24, 202539 min

226. Will Labour’s Mansion Tax Backfire?

Will growth and savings be hurt by pension tax changes in the budget? Will the property market be whacked by plans to tax high value properties? How will they police a mileage tax on electric cars? Robert and Steph discuss. Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformation at https://www.goo.gle/10stories Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRest...

Nov 20, 202540 min
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