#231 Meet At The Palm Tree w/ Bestie Daniel

it's getting ninety degrees out. I forget how hot it is outside because it's so cold up in this bitch. I walk out there, I'm like Jesus Christ, it's too hot. It is getting really hot. I mean it's scary. Things aren't looking good. Look you get to boil and egg out there or whatever have you? You? Um, what do you do yesterday? After the pod? No? Before the I don't know. And are you stalling to think by saying after the that's like when people go that's a really

good question. Can I have a minute? Is actually being honest? Can I have thirty second? Can I have seven seconds? That's being honest saying that's a good question when you're waiting, when you're trying to figure out what to say, that's the one stalling and trying to Yeah, you know, that is a really good question. Why I was texting that other girl. I'm really glad you asked that. It's interesting you say that, yeah before the pod, because I was

thinking about that after the pod. Um. It is interesting though, when you do listen to somebody's podcasts and they speaks so slow, I don't know it. Let's try to speak slow. What do you think would happen? Like, like, let's try so ask me that question, Andrew, what do you do yesterday? M Yeah, it's interesting you asked that. Um, you know the times you know we're in now it's tough to really do anything with gas prices going through the roofs. Here's the problem. Why do we talk fast is because

we're not smart. We're not smart. Yeah, or because we are smart. We're not smart. So we talk fast because people the information we're giving is not that dense and it doesn't have a lot in it. So if we it's the same reason I do four podcasts a week, then no one can go your podcast sucks, and I go, well,

I give it to four times a week, motherfucker. Whereas if someone was like, no one can tell, but don't you think some of your points that are actually dense and are smart because I think down down post No, I just showed on my talking and I go listen. I think that this, like I have a more deliberate tone, but when we're just saying stupid shit, it's just like, I know it's hard because I listened to Sam Harris on one speed. I don't speed him up. I listen

to Conan one point to five. Sometimes I gotta slow down because he's just so fast. But like the more comedy and comedic and easy going, it is the faster I wanted to be. Um. I think people who talk slow either do it so that they can be understood and they're trying to make a good point, or they are narcissists. Oh and they're just their time is not your time. I'm definitely have narcissistic tendencies. There's no fucking question about it. I really do constantly consider how I

don't think people. Um, I'm always considering how other people probably don't want to be listening to me as much as I do put out stuff to be listened to, I'm chronically talk like doing things to avoid someone going you suck, and then saying, well, that's why I do. That's why it works so much. I realized it's because when I put out one thing, everything is on at one thing. But if I do a ton of stuff, I can go. I'm so busy. That's why it's bad.

I always have an out or if you know my my stand up show, that's why I do a meet and greet afterwards, because I want people to get something out of it that literally they couldn't get anywhere else, which is I know what I'm I'm I know I'm good at stand up, but what I'm best at is being personable with people and making them feel seen in a way that I if I was meeting the Dixie Chicks like I did in would have liked them to

have met me. When I met the Dixie Chicks, you just walked in and stood behind their chairs and didn't say anything to them and just snapped a picture and then moved on. And so I just I'm like, Okay, I'm constantly aware that, um, I'm probably not enough. It's low self esteem. I realized that I obviously do sometimes have self high self esteem, but and then sometimes you

self distraught. I do it too, Yeah, but but then why if you're so worried about that, But then you also then will lean into things where you're like it comes across like yourn like fun it all, say whatever the hell I want, um, Because then also because I know I'm right in those times if I'm on my vegan so bad, well that was out of curs for people being like, shut up, bitch. But I'm still gonna say it because I know that it's a difference between

knowing I'm right and knowing I'm talented. Like I questioned my talent all the time. I always feel like an impostor. And I know this is like hard to hear for people who are like but I'm a huge fan of yours. If Taylor Swift said she wasn't talented, I might be like a little bit hurt, Like you think your ship but I think you're a god. Um, every single talented person thinks they're not talented secretly, even you know, everyone

who listened to this has has impostor syndrome. I have it too, And um, I think that though I I but when it comes to veganism, that's what I always say. And I'm not gonna get this is I'm talking about veganism, not about it. I'm not gonna go on a rant. I'm just touching on it. I just know I'm right. So there's no I have no impostor syndrome of like that is as right as you know, should I kick

my dog or not kick my dog? That to me is like there's just no there's no moral argument to be had, like it's done, Like the argument's done and so and there's so few things in life that I'm so sure of that, and that's probably one of the only things I'm sure of that. And I'm sure that I'm not as talented as people think I am. But

then sometimes I do think I'm really talented. Do you ever get like really caught like the look in the mirror and I'm like, you're the hot Like Amy used to have a joke about this where she's like, do you ever like look in the mirror and you're like, I'm a fucking model, Like she used to have a joke.

And so I don't want to even say anything that sounds like I'm ripping that off, but I really do relate to that of like sometimes I definitely and like I'm one of the most talented people ever, I'm one of the hottest people ever. Like I feel so good and I can feel the opposite of that within minutes.

I think our brains are similar in regards to one how we feel about ourselves depending on how we're actually feeling, like internally, you know what I mean, Like, I think depending on our mood, even before we start to think about how talented we are and my sad that day, my depressed that day, depending on your emotional stage. But like at least me to like one morning, I could

wake up thinking I'm a brilliant comedian. The next day I can't even think because and then in regards to look all emotional, I literally like I have dys morphia a little bit of the face where I'll look at the mirror and I'll go, you're a handsome man. And then literally the next morning, when I had a little bit of soy the night before, my face starts going I look puffier and maybe I am. I don't know, but do I know? But that is the thing, do

I look. We all have a body to morphia because we're all seeing pictures of ourselves that are not what we see in the mirror. When you look in the mirror, you seeing a the image that you're looking at. Your eyes are on the different side than when in a picture, so you're it's a flip. It's if we flipped every photograph, it would match more accurately what you see in the mirror.

But we are you know, we're not symmetrical. So we're all seeing this image in the mirror and we're used to it, and then we look at a picture and we're like, what the hell is that? And it's because it's at a different angle that we're not used to. Even if it's straight on, it is not oriented to

what our face looks like. Ter to day, I was on Instagram live and doing uh, just doing wacky filters that they have on there, and I did the one that's like a buddy nose, and then the rest of your face gets like sucked in, bigger eyes, smooth skin, small nose, well no, no, no no, the nose is a rabbit nose, but still smaller than mine. Um, like pink cheeks. It just becomes and then you get used to that

and you're like, I'm fucking stunt. The smallest little things that you can't even they're imperceptible that it's people were logging on not having known that I was doing this other filter, and they're like, you look so pretty, and I'm like, it changed my face shape. You guys, like we're being lined to constantly about what we look like, and even with our own eyes. There's this crazy thing, crazy crazy thing that I came across on Reddit that is not able to I cannot do it on the podcast.

It would be like not interesting radio at all or even for the video podcast. But they have it's this weird phenomenon that is almost related to what we're talking about, where they have that you look at a cross hatch like a square, you know, like um, you know, across

in the middle of this screen. It's like two lines, you know, an access and then on both sides there are faces, normal looking faces that just like flip and switch to different faces, just all different faces and their normal looking and you just stare at the center and like on the right and left of the faces, but they're in your periphery and you just stare and then they keep changing and within four seconds they start looking

like aliens. They start looking like monsters with big teeth and big googly eyes and crazy like weird eyebrows, Like it looks like there are monsters all of a sudden, and then you you go, no way, are these the face The faces are definitely changing to monsters. They're normal people,

and it is so well. Some people in the comments said that perhaps it's because when we cannot see what is next, when we are in a position where we cannot tell what is coming at us or what kind of threats there are, where we can't get a good look at it, we see the worst just in order to alarm us enough to you know, air on the side of that thing is going to come get us. I'm saying, I said, so many people you would think it is so insane how these faces look. They look

like Picasso and like that. I mean it's called some kind of effect, you know, a scientific effect. But I mean, do you think kids nowadays, because of filters, like their reality ever since they're five years old, is filled like is fucking with like changing your face whatever, And it's just normal. It's just normal. It's not like when I see a filter, I still think that's not me. That's

not me at all. Like I have this idea of what I look like and if I funk with it at all, but do you think kids, we still have mirrors and so that is how but sometimes you get a skinny mirror and you go, oh, my, my mind and with good lighting, you know, like did I tell you about the like I I. So this weekend, Matt was taking pictures as he always does of us on tour, and he's actually just gotten so good at it that sometimes we'll hire a photographer and his photos are better

than the person that brings the equipment. And he took this picture of me this weekend and I've definitely gained weight recently, and he cropped it in a way. Like, So after the show, him and An you go back to their hotel room and then we'll get like eight pictures sent to us that they edit like at like

one am. So like they'll be up on their laptops just hanging out, decompressing in the weekend, and I just picture them in there and Anya seeing a picture of me and going, you should crop out, Like I just know she won't post that because her fat is kind of coming out of the time, like I just feel my friends editing for me, and I hate it when people and I've done it before, where I go, don't show her that picture, she'll kill herself because I know

my friend's sensitivity. But Matt said, is precuriously cropped photo of where it just cropped right under my boobs, like where you know there might be a roll of fat because I was bent over kind of doing this praying hands and it was cropped in this way that I was just like. The next day, I go, hey, can you send me the full image of that, like I want to know the truth. And he's like, I don't even know where it is. I I don't know. I think that's the way I shot it. And I go, no, no, no,

this is cropped, Please send it to me. So then he sends me another one and it's not the same picture, and I was like, these pictures are different, and I toggled between them and screen recording. Yeah, I mean that's honestly, I look like a monster. No, I just I just don't like people editing photos of me. I don't like you know. Yes, I sometimes will toy with light to make me look better, or I will do you know, a different angle I will never ever edit my face.

I will never do a tint on something to like I don't because I just want to know the truth. That's the same way I feel about tender photos, like why would you ever put like better looking photos than you can be? I want to be. But that's almost a problem for me because people look so good in photos and I'm always taking, you know, the best of

a batch, but I won't edit them. And so I'm on this F Boy Island poster that's coming out that my publicist sent me, and it's me and the three girls who are a decade and a half younger than me, and we're all like on these rocks looking seductive. And the publicist sent me and was like, hey, this is the key art for F Boy. Um, your arm does not look as skinny as it is. Do you want us to do something about it? And I was like no, no, what? And and then I look at the photo because I'm like, oh,

what's this gonna be. It looks definitely like you know, an arm that is like not it's being pushed against my side, you know, like how it like you know, your thighs like fan out when you sit down. It looks like that for an arm, so like it doesn't look as thin as my arm is. But I was just like no, because and I'm not doing it for the children of the world to be a good example and to show a real woman's body. I'm a skinny woman, so it's not like I'm like representing anything that, you

know whatever. I'm just saying I didn't do it because I don't want to lie to myself because then I have to I I hate that Nikki Welcome Home Nicky Glazer is on and I have to post clips from it because I do not look like I gained twenty pounds since that show shot. So every time I post a clip from it, I look like this little twig. And then the next picture is comes to me and and I'm like eating a potato on stage and I've

got I look like a potato. And it's like I struggle with editing photos because I want to look like what I look like, but I can't help it when it's something from the past like that, and I'm not trying to be like this is me now. I literally won't even post. I paid thousands of dollars for this photo shoot years ago, and the photos are still usable, and my publics want to use them, but I won't let them because it's doesn't look like me anymore to me,

and I think people will think. This is what I think people will think I'm trying to look younger, and I don't want anyone to ever think that I'm trying to look to lie. Okay, well let's break this down when we get back, Andrew, do you look younger? Do you look bigger? Who really cares? Because we're all going to pass away? You know, didn't keep riving that Jesus Christ? Scary? Yeah, I would never I know better to do. Make a song too good? All right, we're back. What do you

make of all up? I mean, because you like taking pictures where you look I think really like you'll you'll pick the lighting where you look really really debonair. And I think that you don't mind a filter, right, you could literally go through my I don't agree with that. I literally posted. If you look at my photos, I don't like look sexy anymore, Like I think I've done that before, but like this is literally my last photo. Well yeah, but that's but then you're leaning in the funny.

This one's a good photo. Yes, um, no. I mean, I put up good photos, but I'm just saying, um, what do you make of or no, I guess what do you make up? What do I make of it? I make that? I think, how do girls? How do they do this? How do they crop theirselves? Like we have a friend, we have a mutual friend who always looks so filtered that I go, I don't recognize this person. How does she think that this is what she looks like in real life? Like That's what I don't understand

with people when they do this stuff. I think that how do you keep it? What is the line? Because okay, let's say you get. But if you get, if you get botox and you get like different things done to your face, that's because that is my face. That is not that's the face I'm gonna walk around with. That's not a face that I'm editing in a soft so it's still me. Even body shaper, I don't. I don't even like spanks. I think it's a lie and I'm not doing it. But if you've got the surgery would

be the honest. Yeah, but that's actually changed my body. I went through a bloody procedure. I didn't just where is really exhausting to wear and painful, and whenever I wear it, I can't stop talking about the fact that I'm wearing it because I don't want anyone to think that it's my natural state. If someone ever goes, you're hot on stage, what do I say? I have on fake gushes? I have on fake tan, I this, I have a since belt on like I need to for

some reason. I need people to know that I'm trash because I don't like because I feel like I've been misled by all these lies, because I look at girls all and I'm not and I'm really I'm not doing it for the children. I promise you that, But I think you do post photos where you do look fantastic, but nothing about that is I'm not saying it's fake.

I'm just saying that that it can come off as like, yes, I want to be completely honest, but also I want attention and likes from looking great, right, but but only when I actually look great on my own DNA merit and like because it's good the way God made me and the way God made that length and the you could argue, then you keep going go well to make up, and then this I've gone the lighting was amazing. I'm sucking in so hard that my my stomach hurts. I

always say that stuff. I'm just trying to think of a filter because like, let's say, your arm in the photo before that looked actually like your arm right, Like maybe that photo with the angle with the lighting made

your arm look bigger than it is. If they could take my arm from the other photo and put it in That's why, but that I will not have them take an inch off my arm and then change the way the rock formation is, like you know, but I guess that's where I mean, you can look at it that way, where like everything else is proportional and what you actually do look like and then because it is angle and look shitty, so maybe take your arm from the other arm. Like So, I don't know, I think

it is. But why do girls feel better when they lie in photos and post a photo and get likes from that? I feel if I like, even like when people are like I like this special you did, and I know that it was bad, I just I can't take that in. I can't take any of those compliments and because to me, I'm like, they are liking something

that I know isn't good or is a lie? I would think their argument would be one, you're an attractive woman and they're not as attractive, and being attractive, like you said, gets rewarded and they want to get rewarded, and or maybe to them, they just like. To them what you feel is like subpar work, they think is really exceptional. And I can understand it for work, But I'm wondering why how women can accept compliments when they've

edited photos of themselves that doesn't look like them. How do they get and are they getting self esteem from it? They wouldn't keep doing it if they didn't think. It's an elevated culture from heels and makeup and broad it's just like an extension of Yeah, that makes sense with extensions and mean, I know, but like, don't you feel weird if you get a like when someone like you look when people think I look beautiful when I have makeup on, It actually hurts my It makes me feel sad.

And even when I and I'll tell you I don't like likes on photos where I look super hot, I don't get off from that because it actually depresses me because I go, look how people like me so much when I'm the prettiest version of myself as opposed to just my normal self. Like being liked is really about the most shallow ship and its it sends me into a depression. And Okay, you're probably not going to accept

this when I say it. But when I see photos of female comics, um like on stage and it's a professional photo and they have makeup on and especially like your tour posts and stuff, I don't just like it because I think you look beautiful. I like it for the statement that it makes, which is all right, we have a woman out there. She's getting like like the same type of um uh production that a man would get. She looks really good. I like her top, I like the way her hair looks. It's yes, I don't think

it's that vein. I do know that when I do post a picture that's not me on a stage and it's me on a beach, just like looking hot in the Golden Hour lighting, that gets more likes than me. Like helping out in an animal shelter, do you know what I mean? Or like holding my niece and having

a tender moment like that's where I go. I mean, we know our society shallow it just like confirms it to me that I just I guess it just stems from my thought that I'm unlovable unless I'm giving people what they want, and that depresses me because I just want to be lovable the way I am, even if I was like a burn victim. And that's why my favorite videos are the Beauty Queen fell on a fire and had to find a personality, because do you think you'd feel better? Let's say you go up on stage,

you're wearing jeans an old T shirt. No, maker, never do that ever, because I don't want to disrespect my audience. I want to put an effort, but isn't the effort of being No, That's another thing. My act isn't enough. I think that I'm not talented. Yeah, I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying like, that's the other option is to go, and then I can't do that because for me, I think I'm not talented enough and I

think people will go. Her act sucked and she was not even good to look at because at least the girls that bring their husbands along that don't want to be there, And I'm like, I hate female comics. I'm literally dressing hot so that they are like, wellly she was hot and I could just fucking stare at her like I know that's sad to admit, but I do. And I dress up because girls dress up for my show and I want to, Like Matt, it feels like

showing up to a party where you're under dress. I would never dress like Adam Sandler with my stand up. I would never do that, even if it was like I feel ridiculous, I want to, you know, but you did at the one time in Canada, because because I lost my there's an excuse. There's an If there's an excuse, I'll do it. I can. That's why I'm like bondage, so I don't have to fucking move because there's an excuse.

If I'm tied up, I can't do anything. I love a forced excuse or a forced reason for why you go half and half. That's why there's parts of me that some times go it would be nice to be a burn. I'm not saying nice to be a burn victim. There'll be something freeing about not ever having the ability to ever be hot again, that that that is taken from me because if it's if it's on the table, I always feel like a failure that I'm not wearing I'm not trying enough. Like I have to go do

a podcast today, Jason Nash's podcast. I think it has a huge following. There's gonna be video of it. He he's always hanging out with these young YouTubers. There's gonna be young people watching it. No, he's flying here to film me for it. But um and I just feel like, because it's video, I have to curl my hair, I have to dress up, I have to look presentable again. Because it's on video. Things that look you know, visually pleasing are more fun to watch. Um. And that's why

I always tell you, like, fix your lighting. It's not because it'll things that look good are gonna get eyes on them, because you want to look at things. That's why you when you make your phone in gray scale, you don't want to be on as much. It sounds pretty, it's not as satisfying. It's not because you're you know,

want to funk your phone. I had the uh the green room we were in uh the second trip or a second Pittsburgh had like nineteen mirrors in it, like and so I could see my I would staying o'h my god, I look handsome and then I caught like a side probe and I think my side and whatever you want to, but I feel like it's dogshit. Like from this side my neck, I have this fat now that has gotten here, like I'm getting older, Like my neck looks fatter. My eyes look like, I don't know,

indented a little. I just look. I feel like my back of my head is cut off. I feel like the back of my head got cut off by a tomahawk that someone scalp me. Yeah. Yeah, and then my neck this thing. I'm sucking my own dick all the time, which is cool, but it sucks my standing. So I see all this it's cool, and it fucking drives me nuts,

it really does. And then I go, I don't know, maybe as a guy, there's less Like I'm not saying that I don't freak out when I see a bit, And people are probably gonna write to me and say, Nick, you sound really sick, and you should go back to

get in some sort of recovery program. You should read this book about Well, you're not on camera constantly unless you are, unless you're a newscaster, that is, to see your face every day and you sit in here and make up every day, and you have to post put photos of yourself every day, and you have to go on a video podcast every day, and the second you wake up, you have to walk in your room and look at your fucking you know, puffy face from not getting sleep last night and put some makeup on it

and make yourself look good and then go to this video podcast and then go on Zoom and try to pitch a show on this. But unless you're looking at your face all day, every day, and you're part of your career is based on how you look, do not write me because you don't know what it's like. And this is why I talk this way, And I'm not crazy. I'm a little crazy. But the reason I'm so focused on my looks is because it's part of my job. And I wish I could be blind and not see

it and deal with it. But people write me all the time and go, you sound so sick, girl, this isn't good for you. And it's just like, well, do what do you do for a living? You have one school picture you take a year teacher, or maybe you're on Zoom and safe to look at yourself. But like you shouldn't be You should be teaching and maybe turn off your camera like their solutions for you. For me, I have to look at these photos and post them.

And if I don't, then I just paid Matt money that is worthless because I can't have someone else go through the photos and post them because when I do that, people don't have the same taste as me, and they'll post a photo where I'm like, oh my god, why would you. I have to look at this stuff I got yesterday, but I didn't want to look at because I looked fat in it. I didn't want to look

at it. I didn't want to feel bad about myself, but I had to because there's content within the clip, and if it's not funny, I don't want to post it. My career is in that clip, and so I have to watch it, and then so the I used to never look in the mirror. Before I was a stand up, I didn't look at photos of myself. I didn't analyze things. I wouldn't be on Instagram if I weren't a comedian. I wouldn't because it's not good for my mental health. So I am just making do the best I can.

I'm working in a bar, and I'm an alcoholic and I have to deal with drinks and smell them and taste them all the time. And I'm an alcoholic, So why not do this? Why not? We've talked about this before, You have managed whatever. You have a team that could do your Instagram. You would never even have to look I just said, because when they look at it, I don't. I don't like the pictures they chose. I've tried to outsource before, and because when I finally seen, I go

first one. Because sometimes your friends will go, you look beautiful in this, and you go, what the funk? I you think I look like that? Like there's no one you can really trust except yourself unless it's your old comedy usually how I feel. I'm just saying this today, like when did you see that I'm here? When did you get that f boy poster? That email? Oh? I got that months ago? And I and my publicists felt so bad because I wrote back and I go, I don't photoshop my body and I'll never will. And I

do not change my size. You know, I understand taking out imperfections in because they do like retouch your face and things, but I will never change my size ever, ever, ever, ever, on anything I do, I'm as you know, unless it's against my will. And someone did it, and I could tell she was like freaked out, like she was like made of grave because she pretty much said, your arm looks fat. And then I go, no, I like it.

I don't think it looks fat, and I'm like, so I wrote her, you know, separately being like, don't worry, I'm not mad at you. It's totally fine. You're looking out for me. You're right, it does look a little meaty. Um, Yeah, what if because we tried that, bef, we talked about that before. If you know, like someone like Nate bar gaffew right, he just puts up his stand up, just a stand up and then a picture, maybe one every twenty would that I think? Do you think that would

help you in your brain? Like? But then people don't pick the right stand up clips? Could you have more? You have so much? I would be doing stand up clips that they were easy for me. They are the most hard for me because they are moving picture of me, which I actually love myself on video I have I can watch I can watch anything I do on mute. I love it. It's my voice plus my jokes and content that make me go, oh god, you're so untalented, and then I can't post it. I literally can't post

any clips. And I have shot five special wait one, two, three, four, five, six specials. I have seven six or seven specials late night a half hour to an hour long, and then I have eleven late night in appearances I have. I have more content than anyone. You just just write that every single day, Just post that video. Yeah, right, like how Mike Tally, I would. I would like to remind

people I forget. Don't look at my IMDb and you tell me like that I'm not seventy three years old and haven't been working in this business since nine because it looks like I have been. It is I don't even know how many things I've done, but it is insane, and I just I I would be more successful if I had an easier time looking at myself and I was a little bit more Yeah, I mean I can. I can brag about my achievements, but I tricked everyone

to get them. I did it. I didn't. I didn't trick besties because this show, there's nothing I'm doing that's like sleight of hand or I feel like it's sneaky people that listen to the show and like me from the show, just like me for me, and I don't start. I don't need to start singing that song about song I want, um, but I really do. That's why I love this podcast. I feel like it's the first time where I go, I could look like anything and people

would still listen. So thank you for that. When we get back, we are coming back with our Wednesday segment that we do once in a while called Besties Being Guesties, and it is a very special bestie guest that I can't wait too before Instagram for the Internet. Alright, we're back. It's Wednesday, and it's time for our new segment that we've only done one. This is our second time doing it. It's time for Besties being Guesties. Bestie the Guestie. Yeah,

Bestie the guestie. Yeah yeah, today's bestie? Who is our guestie? Um? Yeah, I wrote that and I produced. No, no, I've produced. I wrote it and Britney Spears inspired it. Um. Today's guest is a bestie that got into the show. I don't know how he got into the show, but we'll get into that in a second. Yes, you know what. You haven't been introduced yet, so you shut your trap over their mist and also make your bed. It's your bed,

first of all. Second of all, I did put a comforter on there, just yeah, it seems it seems made mess and I was like this, you had to tossle it up just to make it look like you didn't try to. All right. So our bestie who was a guestie today is an old friend of mine who we got reconnected recently through social media found each other. I met Daniel is here today. Daniel is someone I met in on spring break in two thousand two, Yes I believe it was two um and I was a senior

in high school. We were down in Deston, Florida. I was there with my sister Lauren and my other best friend Lauren who goes by Huffy, and we were down there with my family and we met these boys stay in the same hotel. No, I know, we were staying somewhere else, but we met them. I don't Here's the thing, I don't remember exactly how we met. And Daniel is going to share that because he almost told me the other night in Baltimore. When I first met I saw

Daniel for the first time twenty years. I mean, this is twenty years ago. And can I preface this with spring break? You never run into your hook up or the person you meet on springbreak twenty years later, like this never happened. Well, we didn't run into each other. It happened because we found we found each other. It doesn't. But I did always wonder about these boys from Alabama that we called the Alabama Boys. We became really good friends. There was looking up by the way there. We were

just friends. We we loved them so much. We probably all we we kind of like add crushes on you, but we didn't even know how to like fucking we think about that. We were just friends and got along so well. We went back to St. Louis and you know,

told all our friends about the Alabama Boys. I think they came to visit at one point, but we lost touch of the years, and I kind of always wondered if I would ever meet them again, or if they would ever see me on TV and be like, is that the girl from St. Louis that we met, If they would you know, if they would go in their Alabama Boys text chain and go, hey, guys, turn on the TV. I think one of the girls we met,

and it turns out I think that's is what happened. Daniel, Um Daniel was no fence to Lee and and Dan was it. Dan was the other one man I speak or not? Yeah, you can speak. I guess you were my favorite. I don't want to be mean to that, but you were always my favorite. So that was my That's what I was very excited about, was that you got in touch. That's really nice because we've been debating this for a long time now, Like, first of all, do you remember, Second of all, who is your favorite?

So that score is miss thank you. Did you have like long hair? Yeah for sure? And I was probably wearing a hat, Like a wore a hat all the time. So when you saw me, Yeah, what of University of Alabama Auburn? First of all, Andrew, it's Auburn. I know you went to Auburn. I remember I talked at nauseam about this. Hey, I was all right, but I don't know if Yeah, it probably was an Auburn hat or something like did you comb your hair forward? Yeah for sure,

for sure. That's the rage Daniel. How did we like? What was so was? Because you seem to remember this, and I stopped you before you told me, because I go just come on the show and let's relive it, because it'll all come back to me. Yes, So I always thought it was two thousand one. By the way, you think it was two thousand Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was time to change the tattoo. So, uh, two thousand whatever it was. We were the the Alabama Boys.

It was. It was Dan, Jake Lee, and me. So there was a fourth Dan, Jake Lee, I remember, I don't remember Jake. Sorry, Jake. Well, Jake was with Huffy most of the time. Okay, okay, yeah, no, did they ever kiss or anything like that? Yeah? Oh god, at the time, I'm sure I knew this, but I can't believe I've forgotten it. Okay, Okay, So, actually I talked to you. I haven't talked to Jake in a while, and we talked for like an hour and a half last night to try to catch up, so and remember

some stuff, remember something. So yeah, so definitely they they were together. They were like on off by themselves for the most of the trip, but we were at we were at the Crab Trap in Destin, Florida, is like I think it's like a local chain now probably and uh and uh, it's probably not a place that we would want to go anymore. But we were all standing.

We remember Gil going to the beach. They had like a little beach bar, and we went down there and got um some virgin pina colatus and we were just drinking those down on the beach and I we're like fifteen sixteen um. And so then we come back inside and we're hanging out in the restaurant and then we're like waiting for our table, and these three lovely ladies

approach us, and we're like, they approached you. They approached us, And Nikki not every day you see him, Like, I know you've like blocked this out of your memory, but you approached us. You saw some virgin drinking virgins. Yeah, extra virgin is what you saw does not shock me because we we had had a spring break. Before our spring break A one, we had gotten approach and like things happened with some boys, and so I think I was feeling a little confident in O two. I'm a senior.

I got nothing to lose, I got my little sister. I gotta show how it's done. And I think that I just and you guys like seems so nice and we were are not intimidating, Yeah exactly. So yeah, we were like, you know, we were on the we were kind of nerdy. What was her line? Do you remember her first line? No, not at all. We were all just like stunted, like these these women come to us and we're like, girls don't talk to us, Like what's happening? Yeah?

It was wild. Um. So yeah, you guys came and talked to us, and we were just like I can't believe this is happening. And then we um, we you know, we had dinner and or we so we but we had dinner separately like we were we were the table, and then um, I think this is where I need your help. We think we like went our separate ways, like went back to our hotel condo, freshened up, and met again that night. We definitely did. Yes, that's yes. Um. And so you have phones, Yeah that's the thing. Okay,

we didn't. I don't. We didn't have phones. I don't think we have to meet at the Palm Tree. Meet at the Palm Tree at nine, Yeah, exactly, like the address, like we probably said, like meat back around here at this time and like, well, yeah, we'll meet up at the beer. Yeah, so you meet up, so you get freshened up. Are you guys thinking like, oh my god, like what am I gonna sprain extra like obsession on or something like some obsession some woods clanny happy. We're

all just like bathing in it. Yeah, you guys have to be excited to leaving and then going to meet I mean there's three boys, there's three of you, Yeah, I mean, but I gotta be honest with my I was not. I was not like thinking hook up. I was just like I just wanted to meet cute boys, like I was. I did not have like Dick gone the brain like I wasn't like man, I can't wait to you know, sucking fuck like that was not nick. I just wanted to be around cute boys and flirt

and have crushes like we just wanted. I just I still to this day just love being like what God like so excited and being like which one do you like? Like picking your favorite? But that's hard, though, is because if there's three and then four you who get to us, we get there's we we all will take anybody. Yeah. So but there is thinking like that, like I'm sure when you guys were like, Okay, I like the blonde one.

I'm sure Jake, you'll take anything. Jake seriously, I mean he was much more than we were at that time. Like Huffy was kind of all taking anything. I love, I don't know anything about. But was the one that was just like, what's to make out with me? Huffy was looking for some action. Yea guy like he was experienced. Those are the two friends that found that makes sense.

Like Jake was experienced. What did he do? He kind of finger a girl once was back then that was anything he was a yeah, so we just second um. But something interesting about this is that it was me and my sister then, Like, like my sister and I were not social together in high school. You know, she was popular and as a sophomore and I was somewhere

in between as a senior. And so my sister had a lot more experience with boys, not just you know, physically, but like just being friends with cool boys that I really did. So it was it's interesting to me that me and my sister did this together. But we we had a great time with you guys. So what did you guys do like throw a turtle or something. Well, so we went to your place. Did we meet your parents? Probably? Yeah, my parents are here too, and I'm guessing yes they

were there. They were there, and we were staying with my parents. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, So we just I feel like you had like two levels. We hung out down at the lower level and we just like talked. We were just talking for hours and hours and hours is what is what I think we look We were obsessed, Like I was like, these are our best friends. Like I'm so I was so sad when we had to say goodbye, Like there was this really intense bond that happened of like why don't these boys go to school

with us? And you know they're not going to graduate until next year? Where are they going to go to school? Like where? How can we? How can we have them in our lives? Like there was just like this longing for like why can't we why can't we have these kind of boys in our lives? Where? Where were they

in high school? For us? I feel like there's an energy when you know, when I'd go on a cruise, you get the best, you got the best, Daniel, you got the best, You got the best of Nikki, you know what I mean, And and that energy comes together and it's I don't know, it ignites when you have only a few days together. It really does, even if it's friendship. So you're like, where are these boys? You probably had some boys in Missouri in your school that we were similar, but they just got our sense of

humor right away, which is very unique and absurd. You know, like we were definitely a different type of I hear it all the time of people being like in high school, you guys were so like, well, I just tell stories

about the things we were. Like the other day I was telling my boyfriend, I was like, because Kristen sent me this card for my birthday where she drew a picture of us now, and then she drew a drawing of like this picture of us back in middle school where we used to just like wet our hair and slick it back, and we in high school we would refer to that photo of us from eighth grade is like,

look at us, we look like such slick fux. So it would be like, don't look like a slick fun and that kind of sense of humor in high school to refer to yourselves as oh, I'm just slick, fun We're really funny and weird, and I don't think a lot of boys who were trying to be these guys were not cut at all, and that's what There was not an ounce of that, And I appreciate you saying that, Yeah, how many days did you guys end up just that it was just one special night or four days? It

was several, if we'll call it a few. And I think there was one time where we actually someone said we walked to Jake's thought this. He was like, we

we walked. You were on one end of DestinE, we were on the other, and we walked the beach to you, which I think is insane, but I mean that would sound accurate to me, like back then, we would have walked to you like we were so obsessed with you, and we came back with the story to tell our friends of like the Alabama Boys, we found the best boys ever that are literally us in boy forms of like same sense of humor, I like to talk about

the same kind of things, like the same music. But there had to have been some kind of wanting that I did not but I did hear. I was the only time I had ever kissed. Someone was the year before in spring break, but no, but I was the guy like was really aggressive, which is what I needed. And these guys were not no offense. You are not aggressive boys that are going to make them move, and I am not someone that's going to be like I'm

going to make a move. And so I mean, at that point in my life, there was no I would have never been kissed had someone not been like very But there must have been three or four days. That's like, oh yeah, that's a substantial amount of time to form a crush. Yes, there were crushes happened. I had a crush on Daniel for sure, because hard crushes the long hairs. This seems very platonic. But did Lee like my sister?

I felt like Lee and my sister had more of a thing, and then Dan was somewhere just like floating in the middle. But I felt like you and I were like mainly I don't know if we were friends or like we probably had mutual crushes and would never talk about it, but like it was a you and I and I think it was my sister and Lee and then Huffy and whoever, Yes that was. That's been a debate I'm telling you, we've been we've been debating this week now, and I'm like, you have the crush. Yes,

I think you're absolutely right. Now were you all? Were you Nikki's age at this point? You right in between? Well did you? When? Did you? Did you ever come across Did you know of me before you put it together that I was the girl back then? Or did we connect on Facebook at some point? Like was there always the awareness of me? Oh god, I'm like sweating guys, it's hot in here's your shirt off? Or something reminding a springbreak again. Yeah, let's see that's free break boy. Yeah,

get on the bull. But now, um oh, like, how did you? When did you? Because someone made someone? I got a text from Hoff, who I don't really even talk to that much anymore, and she wrote a bunch of us being like the Alabama boys got in touch with me. This was two, you know, three weeks ago,

and I was like, oh my god. And for me, that sends back all this nostalgia of like, my friends are out there, like these guys that I was like so into and honestly I was thinking of you because I was thinking about the long haired one named Daniel. But I didn't remember your last name, and I was like, oh my god, who wasn't And she sent it and it was it was the other Dan. But I'm like, I know they're still friends. There's no way they're not

still friends. And then I googled and then I then then she sent me something, and then I just looked up your name and I went to message you and then you would argue message me. It was loaded. I just hadn't seen it. I was like, yes, connection has been made, So what led to that? So, um, I get so the other Well, yeah, a few weeks ago we were My wife and I watch a lot of um trash TV, garbage TV, love it, so I appreciate

you doing that. Yeah, and and uh, like an advert for your show came up and I was like, holy sh it, Nikki has a show on and so and my wife was like like, weren't you friends with her? And I was like yes, like we were, you know, the best of friends. So I didn't started Yeah, I started thinking about this and then um, and then my then the guys and I are going to plan a trip or we are planning a trip to Destin in November.

It's just like talking about going back and and we were like just reminiscing about, you know, the trip with you guys, and it's like, guys, we have got to talk to Nikki. We've got and so and so. With you, it was like you've got a million people that pay attention to you, and so it's like, there's no way she's going to see you know, my message through all the you know, tippics. So it's like I could have I just missed it. You know, there's some days where

I would really would have seen it. I'm so I didn't, but okay, So they were like, let's try your sister, and she never got back to us. But then so then Lee, So Lee's the only one that still has Facebook, and so we're like, Lee, what is Huffy's name now? Because I'm sure he's changed. So he he stalked her down he foun Yeah, so he found her name and we were like, we were like, Huffy and then was the one that texted me and made it all happen. Yeah, because I told I was like, I'm going to go

see your show in Baltimore. Um, you know, than just we were reminiscing about the trip, and yes, so what what happened to your life. So you went to We lost touch almost, I would say within a year or two, like you. I think you guys came to visit my family one time and stay at our house. Lee and I were on a road trip. Yeah, we were on a road trip and I don't even know how we got in touch with you and Lauren, but I guess it was Facebook and you weren't there. But we stayed

at your house Telegraph, which was the Mullet House. Oh my god. The other day I was like, oh my god, it was a Mullet house. Dude. We Oh my god, that house. I have so many memories in the house.

I know we're running short on time, but and I we got on the David Letterman, Well we didn't get on the David Leman and Show, but we became audience members by we were at your house, and we like we knew we were going to New York City, um from St. Louis, And so we called the Letterman show to get tickets and they called us back and we had to answer like a trivia question and we got tickets. We were in your pool, uh, and we got tickets

to go see the your house. Your house was so awesome, it was it was I love that you guys got this. It makes me so sad that we'll never have this time in our life back where it's like you're free and like you just meet random boys and you guys can cheat, I know, but it's just can't do that anymore. You can't do that stuffing. What if you grew's hair out so you wouldn't do now that swoop back? Yeah, I mean I could. It's actually yeah, out a little bit.

You look like you got a good note, You're fine. If how old are you now? Thirty six? So you're it's fine, your hair a little right, yeah, but if you got most of it, you're okay. What what became of you? Give us me? Give me your life is now? Yeah? Thank you. So UM went to went to Auburn for UH school and yeah, and studied Go Tigers, studied UM like construction management. So I'm in construction UM and I interviewed with this company at school and they had a

job offer in UM southern California. So I moved out there and was out there for like eight years. And we were there across the right there at the same time.

This is so annoying Daniel, it's so fu up so um so anyways, uh so yeah, then, um, let's see, my wife and I got drunk one day and decided to go house hunting out there, and we were looking at a house that was like just you know, crappy neighborhood had offers already, it was like and then it was like one point two million dollars and we're like, fun this, we cannot stay here anymore. So we're like,

let's leave. So we long story short, moved to Baltimore, where we have this did you meet your wife home where you're going to stay with us? Um? We met at a four year old birthday party out there in Pasadena for forty year olds. You know that. It was like did you did you walk seven miles down the beach to go to find it? I mean yeah, yeah, what do you mean? It was a four year old birthday party? Um? It was like a mutual friend that we had an older an older friend. Okay, did you

date before? Yeah? Did? She were? Yeah? Well, she like walked up the steps and she made some funny motion with her body and arms, and I was like, I need to know you. I like You's my favorite stories of like how did you know? Or like, what was it? What was the what was the thing? And she just did something funny that you were just like that person. Yes, like I need her in my life. So we were friends for a long time and then um we so she loves music just as much. How did you take

it from friends to to romantic? You were friends for well, you obviously liked her so much. Yeah, I was just kind of like, hey, girl, you know but no, you know what I'm saying, Like it goes from like you guys are both like she probably likes you, but doesn't really know if you like her, and then like who makes the first That's the most interesting moment I think in humanity is that switch of like you're taking a chance.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I think, Um, you're gonna have to ask her those questions, my members, you're gonna have to find out because that's an important moment. Maybe she don't remember. I'm always shocked when people don't boys never remember those times where I'm always like, what was the moment you knew what? And I haven't like, yeah, yeah, that's a cool. She didn't. She was outside a car dealership trying to fly people that. Okay, so then you and you have a kid now, So we have a

kid now. So she's amazing. I wish she's napping. Um, so my wife has COVID. It's been awful and so she's yeah, you said she hasn't had a COVID for a while. Some people just can't get it out of their fucking system. Keep going on it. Twe we've done all this yet it's awful. So anyways, what that means that our child, Vivian is her name? Oh great name changed? Oh my god, she's amazing. Um, she can't go to

daycare for two weeks. So we're both like, she's my wife works, I'm working, we're like trying to do and you're doing a podcast. Do you call her vis Yes, we do. We call her viv Vivy. She calls herself Vivian. Vivian. That is a great name. Congratulations. Have you met Vivian's No, they're all they're all dead now. But yeah, yeah, that's like a that's a very almost like an esther, like an older Um it really truly was my wife's grandmother's

best friend's name, which that's cute. And your wife's grandmother's secret lesbian lover. Yes, that's what I said. Whatever grandmother's has best friends, like lifelong best friends. You go at a different time, they couldn't be out. Um, well, I'm so glad your daughter's name, wife's h grandmother's grandmother. Yeah,

secret gay lover. Uh No, that's so. I was just saying on this weekend that, like, because I kind of don't even know that if I ever want to get married, but you just I just but I don't would just end up calling whoever was with my husband, just so people didn't feel awkward when I was like seventy something being like my boyfriend like I wasn't a boyfriends is just too weird. My grandmo used to have a boyfriend, and it would always crack me up to be like

my grandma's boyfriend. Art. Well, if they have a boyfriend, you assumed their husband died, Yes, you always know that. When did your husband died three years ago? Is just like yeah, someone that just kind of plays by our own rules. She's just a widow. All right. Well we've ran the gamut of this discussion. Um, Daniel, thank you so much for joining us and taking time out of your COVID life. Thank you so much. We're gonna be friends now, like truly. Um, I wanna when I want

a vacation together again. I want our families to be friends like we I have. We we made a friendship. Yeah, what's Jacob to Actually, guys, you two would be really good. You guys look alike straight up. Will you send me a picture of you boys back in the day, because I really want to remember. I know, I have a very strong idea. I know Alabama boys and they really I think one of them had a great T shirt with their sleeves rolled up at one point. No, they

were like kind of nuts. They were donuts. And do you know what I mean by donnut? Okay that was when Okay, it was a type of Yeah. So it was a type of guy that we were really into that would have like kind of be like into fish and like the grateful dead Dave Matthews that had the swoopy long hair, and we're kind of like outdoorsy, not not hoosier, is not rednecks, but just like like of the earth and more like hemp necklaces. And they weren't

quite that, but they had that spired about them. But and Dnuts comes from the fish song Wilson that goes Donna Wilson, and so we called them donuts. But you guys were it was work on your favorite band back then. Oh so that was probably what connected us. Yeah, that's all I needed. Yeah, and and the John Mayer, that John Mayer album that that was that was which with d That is definitely what made us all to get along. Was just talking about how much we love John Mayer.

Room for Squares. Yes, he would just arrived on the scene. He was like, indeed, dude, like no one knew about me. So to find these boys that knew about John Mayer, who I had seen for Guster eight months prior, like it was wild to be like you guys John Mayor too. And we would talk about the CD that like you know, this is before Cdson, like it's over before you know it was back in the day twenty years later. Daniel Burson,

So good to have you on the show. Thank you for listening to the show, Thank you for being a fan, and thank you for being my friend. Daniel person, love you too. Yeah, you give my love to the fam. Okay, bye bye, Daniel and your Grandma's friend. Oh boy. Final thought, it's got to be so fun to reminisce like that. It was. It is so fun. It's and it's you know what's so funny is like I'm I was even nervous to be like I had a crush on you. Yeah,

I felt it was. There was literally like one percent of me being like, well, what if that feels like I don't want he's married, Like I don't want that to be like a weird thing, not that it would ever be, but I also I'm always kind of thinking of that and also like, um, and there's a high school part of me is like, but I knew he liked me back, Like I wasn't a dummy. I just knew that we we literally loved each other, like I

loved him. He's a he's a very kind soul. Just was like, oh my god, like but we were both too scared to ever like make a move on each other. I mean, and it felt so comfortable with him that I knew that he was never going to make a move, you know, Like it was not I was constantly being like, oh my god, you might kiss me, and then it would make it weird because we're friends, Like it was a friendship of like someday we'll probably get together, not

anytime soon. I don't feel threatened by this person, because there would be guys that I would be friends with and then all of a sudden, you you get the vibe that they sense that you like them, and then things fucking get weird. And with him it was just I really I think we said I love you back then, Like I really was like I love I loved them, loved them. I could see you guys doing it through Dave lyrics, you know, yeah for sure, probably, yeah. Oh.

I would do that with boys all the time. And as soon as it would get a little bit too like lover or laydown would come on, and I'd be like, this is too much about sex, Like let's get back to trip and Billy's let's keep it lighting here, Let's get back to a song about deforestation. He writes a lot about like don't drink the water's um, the pollution and the white man. I like that one song about the bart bartender. Yeah, fix me drink. I don't need

to think that is. I just remember like drinking to my twins being like man Dave gets it, like any song that makes you feel cool about drinking. God, it's just anything that will just yeah, cigarettes even like you know, mad men making me feel like it's cool, like to smoke. There's so many things that make you feel cool, men that culturally just convince you that it's the right thing to do. Um oh God reminiscent. This is where I get really sad because I'm just liked. Being a teenager

was a fucking buss. The possibilities that were like just endless. And I feel like the more the older you get, the less time you obviously have, but the more like everything gets smaller, and like you can't have everyone in your life that you want to have in your life. You can't have friends around constantly. Everyone has a job, everyone has a wife, everyone has a husband, everyone has kids. Like you just it can't. You can't keep the party going.

And there's something about that that, like, I think that that's why I'm still single and have the job that I have. I want to keep the party. I want to keep the hand going, not the party. I'm not a partier. I don't like going this is the way it's going to be forever now we're I don't like commitment. Um, And I think I'm right to not like commitment because it makes it so you can't change. I don't like commitment because it means that's what you're due to you

till you die, and it reminds me of death. And that's why commitment scares me. But the commitment could be with you. Wow, you change, change, I know, but that but you'll always be with that person. And that means that there will never be anyone new in your life. There will never be another way. Especially with a romantic relationship. You'll never get that butterflies in your stomach of someone knew that you met, that Oh my god, what could

this be? You'll never have the first date, you'll never have, a first kiss, You'll never have And that's and I'm only thinking about this for relationships because I literally that feeling. I get that feeling for a new job, for a new restaurant I find, for a new pet I get. But those things I can have for a new friend, I mean a new show, a new song. I those things I will not. I can do over and over

and over. There's no limit. But a partner, you get one and then you have to keep it and then you can never And yeah, you can do like I was saying yesterday. You can role play and like pretended someone new, but you never really get the excitement of something new again. But here's the thing. I think, for me, at least, you get so much more out of the fact that you grow together and you have such an intense That's not what I was going to say. That's

not what I was gonna say. What I was gonna say, Okay, what we're you gonna say? I was gonna say, um, what do you think about? No, you know I was going to say this, And I really do think it's a fucking real point that the new thing that you experience, all these new things you're experiencing, you're experiencing with someone else. So you can experience things except for the one new partner. But all those new things will feel great telling someone

else how great they are. But I can always But if I had a partner, I could tell them about how great a song was. And I could still if they allowed me to have other partners, or of society allowed me to have other partners, or even I allowed myself to. But no, it's not it's not even about like like I want other partners. It's about the fact that it's it just won't work. You cannot in a in a in relationships having multiple partners, even if I

wanted it, it's not sustainable. It doesn't work. It ends up like if I get a new friend, it doesn't deteriorate my other friends. If I get a new dog, it doesn't deteriorate. People don't if I have two kids. No one says you have two kids, But what about your one kid? Now you don't have enough love for do well? Maybe I do well? Where it works is so why can't I have enough love? You can, It's just you can't in society or whatever. However the hell we want to talk. You don't want my boyfriend have

two girlfriends. You can't take it to the next level. You could have multiple you could be dating. If you have a boyfriend, you could date and having a crush for me, unless there's the opportunity that it could be forever, which is ironic because I don't want forever. But the fantasy that we could get married and all these things that I play out, if that is it possible because I have a partner in which that you can see from those things, it's like dreaming about flying. I'm not

gonna fantasize about flying. It's I can't fly. What I'm saying is you take if you take a partner out of it, you can have everything You're saying. You can have all these new experiences. You just can't make one solidified. You could have. There's no problem dating multiple people, no one, no one gets hurt. But what I'm talking about is I and that and you have the fantasy you of the one, and then you get the one. You can't have more. It's it's it's like I feel about Christmas.

I never want to open my Christmas presents because then the fantasy of what it could be is over and you just have. But then you have the present. Nikki, go play with the present. The present isn't isn't as good as what the present could be. Ever to me, and there's something that I gotta work on in therapy. Thanks for listening to the show. That's a rap. I gotta go. That is that That's how I wrap every day. I'm gonna go to a podcast with Jason Nash. Is gonna be good. Yeah, just a little bit of a

dash of me and him and some other people. I'm going to a studio down the street. Um, it's gonna start it too. And then I'm gonna go to pickle ball. I'm gonna go hang out with my boyfriend and all of his friends. I hope he doesn't ask me to go on the court because I can't uh hold a racket and I don't have a score. A score would be a cute thing to wear to tennis. If I find a cute outfit, then maybe, um, I'll feel like

Elaine Bennie, cool and chic and fun and nice. That's the end of this, and now go buff give me some ice another ice machine that my boyfriend fixed the other night because he was so efficient and he's a boy and I can't do it, and I've been delaying calling the super And this isn't a rap anymore. It's just the facts. Alligator, turtles, mice and cheese. Everyone has nothing if you don't get off your knees, stop crawling towards the sun and run to the moon. If we're

not eating hard, we're not eating with spoons. All right, guys, thank you for listening. They'll be cut and cheers.