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1086: Even TRUMP Thinks Netanyahu Went Too Far? | The Next Level

Tim Miller, Sam Stein, and JVL talk about the week's biggest stories: Trump installs a meme stock grifter as acting Director of National Intelligence, the $1.8 billion weaponization slush fund may be dying (or just hibernating), Tina Peters walks free and heads straight to Steve Bannon, Scott Pelley goes out swinging at 60 Minutes, and the leaked Trump-Netanyahu call reveals a president trapped by his own unworkable coalition of MAGA, Iran hawks, and Mark Levin all turning at once. Get 25% off s...

Jun 02, 20261 hr 7 minEp. 1086

1085: Secret Podcast: A Cage Fight for America's Soul

Full episodes of The Secret Podcast are available to paid members of the Bulwark, on Apple Podcasts, Substack and YouTube. Sarah and JVL talk about the ongoing meltdown of Trump’s Freedom 250 event; the inappropriateness of putting a UFC cage fight on the White House lawn; John Cornyn’s sudden understanding of what Trump is; and Bari Weiss’s murder of 60 Minutes. It’s a good show / short show because we’re both playing hurt today, so forgive us if we’re not at our most dazzling....

May 29, 202625 minEp. 1085

1084: Texas Primary Results! Megyn Kelly Turns on Trump?!

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller and JVL went live to cover the Texas primary runoff election, Megyn Kelly (maybe?) turning against Trump, and much more. Visit http://upwork.com/THENEXTLEVEL right now and post your job for free.

May 27, 20261 hr 17 minEp. 1084

1083: Secret Podcast: The Walls Are Closing In

Full episodes of The Secret Podcast are available to paid members of The Bulwark via Apple Podcasts, YouTube and Substack. Sarah is in the City of Angels; JVL is in the Big Apple;) and they have A LOT to catch up on. Gas is at $4.65. Trump is at -22 in the latest Fox poll. The Senate said no to the billi for his ballroom. Oh, and maybe we’re going to do regime change in Cuba soon? Plus: They recap the California live shows and go deep on Tina Peters. Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actu...

May 23, 202628 minEp. 1083

1082: Trump Could Tarnish the GOP for YEARS to Come

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and Sam Stein debate whether Democrats should just “let Trump cook” as his approval numbers crater, Republicans start breaking ranks, and the MAGA coalition begins to fracture. Plus: Rubio takes heat over Iran, the gang ranks Trump’s worst cabinet members, and they roast Trump’s gaudy gold makeover of Washington. Get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping during the Memorial Day Sale at https://BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel with code nextlevel. Ready to reach your...

May 22, 202651 minEp. 1082

1081: Secret Podcast: Trump's $1.7b Friends and Family Fund

This episode unpacks Donald Trump's controversial proposal to settle his $10 billion lawsuit by creating a $1.7 billion secret fund from taxpayer dollars. This fund, controlled by Trump-appointed commissioners, would compensate allies, including January 6th perpetrators, under the guise of a "truth and reconciliation commission." The hosts express outrage at this deep corruption, debating the limits of law and the urgent need to build political power by connecting Trump's self-serving actions to voters' everyday economic pain.

May 15, 202637 minEp. 1081

1080: Should the Next Democrat Punish Red States? JVL Says... Maybe

JVL, Sarah Longwell, and Tim Miller discuss the Virginia redistricting ruling, what it means for elections this November, and whether Democrats need to start playing as dirty as their opponents. Plus: the Iran war is a strategic catastrophe that most Americans don't understand yet, and what Bob Kagan—the man who cheered on every Middle East intervention—now thinks about where this is all heading. And Marjorie Taylor Greene has moved to Costa Rica. Seriously. Refresh your everyday with luxury you...

May 13, 20261 hr 25 minEp. 1080

1079: Secret Podcast Preview: The Primary Was Over Before It Started

The full episode is available exclusively to paid members of The Bulwark. You can join on Apple Podcasts, Substack or YouTube. Sarah and JVL had a big show planned for you. Lots of different subjects. Important news. Funny stories. The whole nine. And then everything derailed as they went SUPER deep on Graham Platner and the meta-debate about him. If you think Platner has electoral upside, you love Nazis. If you have concerns about Platner’s populism, you’re a closet Republican. The internet has...

May 09, 202624 minEp. 1079

1078: This is The Stupidest War You Can Possibly Imagine

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Sam Stein discuss the escalating Iran conflict, scrutinizing the administration's "separate and distinct" war narrative and the bizarre "kamikaze dolphins" reports. They also explore the war's severe economic consequences, including soaring gas prices, and how Trump's isolation in an echo chamber shields him from political realities. The episode further examines the DNC's fundraising challenges, the controversial Republican reconciliation package funding Trump's ballroom, and the dynamics of key Senate races in Maine and Texas.

May 05, 20261 hr 9 minEp. 1078

1077: Secret Podcast: JVL Wants Every Trump Voter to Know, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!

Full episodes of the Secret Podcast are available to paid members of the Bulwark on Substack, YouTube, and Apple Podcasts. JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss the signs that voters are starting to regret their Trump vote—and why that doesn’t mean politics is getting any simpler. Gas prices are rising, a gerrymandering arms race is raging and the Supreme Court reshaped the rules. Plus: the Maine race, the rise of populist candidates like Platner, and what The Bulwark actually stands for.

May 01, 202649 minEp. 1077

1076: Trump Indicts Comey—AGAIN

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller and JVL are going LIVE to cover yet another indictment of Jim Comey by the Trump administration. NOTE: If you're getting this late—we apologize! Something went wrong and some of you may not have received this episode on the day that it was originally released (Tuesday, April 29). We will try to track down and punish the gremlins responsible. Make today a good day, and get yourself some Soul gummies. Right now, Soul is offering 30% off your entire order. Go to https://G...

Apr 29, 20261 hr 11 minEp. 1076

1075: Secret Podcast: Trump’s War Runs on Pure Make-Believe

This episode explores the chaotic nature of leadership under Donald Trump, focusing on the firing of Navy Secretary John Phelan amid a "Trump-class battleship" fantasy and the political maneuvering involved. The discussion also dissects the Spirit Airlines bailout, arguing it's another instance of Trump's policies creating problems that taxpayers then fund to resolve. The hosts critique media outlets for misattributing blame, highlighting a broader pattern of impossible promises and a lack of accountability within Trump's administration.

Apr 24, 202622 minEp. 1075

1074: Tucker Carlson’s “Regret” Is Just Another Scam

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL analyze Tucker Carlson's recent "apology" regarding Trump, debating its sincerity as a potential pivot for a presidential run and its impact on the fragmented Republican Party. The conversation then shifts to the 2028 succession crisis within MAGA, exploring Don Jr.'s viability as a candidate and his family's incentives. Finally, the hosts discuss the critical and unstable situation with the Iran War, highlighting US leadership issues, and the alarming dysfunction exemplified by Kash Patel's alleged incompetence at the FBI, pondering its broader implications for American governance and potential impeachment efforts.

Apr 21, 202656 minEp. 1074

1073: Secret Podcast: Republicans Are Walking Into a Buzzsaw

JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss a bizarre week where markets surge amid global chaos, Trump feuds with his own allies, and confusion over Iran keeps escalating. They also break down a blowout Democratic win, surging fundraising, and what it all signals for the midterms—plus a growing fight inside the party over Israel and its future direction.

Apr 17, 202631 minEp. 1073

1072: Did JD Vance Tell the Pope to Shut Up?

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller and JVL cover a rough week for Trump, from failed talks with Iran that turned into a naval blockade, to strong signs of real cracks inside his coalition as allies and right-wing media begin to push back against his idiocy. They also talk about what Orbán’s defeat in Hungary means for Trump-style politics, and discuss the lightning-fast downfall of Eric Swalwell. Go to https://Leesa.com for 20% off select mattresses PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code THENEXTLEVEL...

Apr 15, 20261 hr 16 minEp. 1072

1071: Secret Podcast: The Podcast Wars

JVL and Sarah discuss the failed ceasefire, Melania’s bizarre Epstein pre-denial, and the growing rift between Trump and "America First" heavyweights like Tucker, Megyn, Candace, and Alex Jones. Is this just another performative feud, or the start of something real? And as AI muddies reality itself, what happens when nobody believes anything anymore? Paid members of the Bulwark get exclusive access to the FULL episode on Apple Podcast, Substack or YouTube.

Apr 11, 202627 minEp. 1071

1070: LIVE: Trump Extends Civilian Annihilation Threat For Two Weeks

Sarah, Tim and JVL g to cover Trump's Iran ultimatum and other news. Make today a good day, and get yourself some Soul gummies. Right now, Soul is offering 30% off your entire order! Go to https://GetSoul.com and use the code THENEXTLEVEL. Head to https://Greenchef.com/50nextlevel and use code 50nextlevel to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months. Visit https://Upwork.com right now and post your job for free and to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow....

Apr 08, 20261 hr 10 minEp. 1070

1069: Secret Podcast: Every Single Person Around Trump Is Expendable

JVL and Sarah discuss Trump’s rambling, unfocused address that failed to clarify any of the war’s goals, even as evidence mounts that the situation is getting worse. They also talk about the Bondi firing, why it may have been timed to shift attention, and what it says about how this White House handles bad news. Plus: rising oil prices, market jitters, and new warning signs from voters who are starting to turn against Trump.

Apr 03, 202633 minEp. 1069

1068: Kristi Noem’s Husband Isn’t the Problem

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL get into the wild new scandal involving Kristi Noem’s husband—and why the story isn’t what people think it is. They also discuss Trump’s chaotic handling of the Iran conflict, the political fallout at home, and whether his support is starting to crack. Plus: Lindsey Graham’s surreal Disney detour, protests across the country, CPAC’s decline, and JD Vance’s latest reinvention. Head to https://Brodo.com/THENEXTLEVEL for 20% off your first subscription order and ...

Apr 01, 20261 hr 14 minEp. 1068

1067: Secret Podcast: Trump Won’t Stop—Because He Can’t Look Weak

JVL and Bill Kristol—filling in for Sarah—discuss escalating Iran conflict, the risky push toward a wider war, and why the real damage may outlast the fighting. They also get into the global fallout—from threats to the petrodollar system to the collapse of U.S. alliances—and what a rushed exit might look like.

Mar 27, 202635 minEp. 1067

1066: How Much Pain Before MAGA Turns on Trump?

Tim Miller, JVL and Sam Stein (filling in for Sarah) discuss Trump’s shambolic approach to the Iran war—no clear objective, mixed signals, and rising economic fallout. As gas prices climb and markets wobble, they ask whether the political damage has already begun, even if the polls haven’t fully caught up. Plus: signs of a potential MAGA fracture, ICE at airports, a look inside the grift behind Project 2025, and a disturbing interview with Greg Bovino. Visit https://Upwork.com right now and post...

Mar 24, 20261 hr 8 minEp. 1066

1065: Even Trump’s Cheerleaders Are Saying “Oops”

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL were live in Austin talking about Trump’s Iran war, the cascading economic fallout, and growing global instability. As gas prices spike and allies react, the conversation turns darker: how bad could this get—and what it says about America right now. Make laundry day the best day of the week! Get 20% off your entire order @LaundrySauce with code THENEXTLEVEL at https://laundrysauce.com/THENEXTLEVEL #laundrysaucepod To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to h...

Mar 20, 202648 minEp. 1065

1064: Trump Is About to Own a Disastrous Middle East War | Secret Podcast

Paid members of The Bulwark can watch the FULL episode of The Secret Podcast. JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss the Trump administration’s stumble into an Iranian conflict that betrays its "no more wars" promise. They analyze the sudden resignation of Joe Kent over foreign wars, Tulsi Gabbard’s surreal FBI testimony regarding Fulton County ballots, and the looming "bloodbath" within a fracturing Republican coalition. Pre-order Sarah’s book, How to Eat an Elephant, coming in September: https://stati...

Mar 19, 202617 minEp. 1064

1063: Secret Podcast: Would You Trust These Idiots With a War?

Sarah Longwell and JVL talk about what happens if Trump doesn't TACO and pull the plug on the Iran war excursion after things go from messy to bad. Not great! Also: What happens if we know how to reform the system, but the system is so ossified that it can't be reformed? And are The People, in fact, the worst? Pre-order Sarah's book, How to Eat an Elephant, coming in September https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/how-to-eat-an-elephant-9781250464170/...

Mar 13, 202629 minEp. 1063

1062: LIVE REACTION: Trump Doesn’t Understand His Own War | The Next Level

Sarah, Tim and JVL are going LIVE to talk about the escalating air war with Iran and the chaos and dishonesty of Trump’s shifting explanations for it. Wildgrain is offering our listeners $30 off your first box - PLUS free croissants for life - when you go to https://Wildgrain.com/THENEXTLEVEL to start your subscription today. Go to https://Leesa.com for an extra $50 off with promo code THENEXTLEVEL—exclusive for TNL fans. Go to https://Quince.com/thenextlevel for free shipping and 365-day return...

Mar 10, 20261 hr 9 minEp. 1062

1061: Secret Podcast: Did Stephen Miller Just Pull Off a Palace Coup?

JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss the chaotic firing of Kristi Noem after a disastrous hearing, the MAGA infighting that may have taken her down, and what it says about how Trump runs his administration. They also talk about the war with Iran—why the strategy looks confused, how Tehran may be playing the long game, and why the economic fallout is already hitting gas prices, supply chains, and the global economy.

Mar 06, 202632 minEp. 1061

1060: TNL Live! Iran War Nukes MAGA

Sarah Longwell, JVL, and Tim Miller are going live to talk about the shifting mood around the Iran strikes—how casualties could change the politics, whether 2026 is starting to feel like 2006, and if Trump’s “just do stuff” approach has hit a wall (with JD already hedging). Also: the latest Democratic freakout over Graham Platner’s campaign. Head to https://Greenchef.com/50nextlevel and use code 50nextlevel to get fifty percent off your first month, then twenty percent off for two months with fr...

Mar 03, 20261 hr 11 minEp. 1060

1059: Secret Podcast: War with Iran and the Takeover of CNN

To get the full episode, become a paid member of the Bulwark on Substack, YouTube or Apple Podcasts. The U.S. government is ordering employees out of Israel and Iraq, the latest signal that war with Iran is approaching. Larry and David Ellison just bought Warner-Discovery and CNN. Sarah and JVL also talk about the new John Fetterman in Maine and the primary in Texas. As well as the Kansas law targeting trans people. Finally, they go deep on DHS, depraved indifference, and accountability. (See th...

Feb 28, 202627 minEp. 1059

1058: They’re Hiding the Epstein Files to Protect Trump

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL run through a packed episode: explosive new questions about the Epstein files and whether Trump’s DOJ is shielding him, the Supreme Court’s tariff ruling (and the three justices who would green-light almost anything), and what it means for the midterms. They also discuss Kristi Noem’s completely fabricated “cannibal” story, Laura Loomer pressuring Trump to go after Netflix, Make-a-Wish kid Kash Patel, and the messy Senate primary in Texas. Get 15% off your fir...

Feb 25, 20261 hr 2 minEp. 1058

1057: Trump Wants to Be King of the World (Live from Minneapolis)

JVL, Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller and Sam Stein team up, live in Minneapolis, to dish on how Donald Trump kicked off his new Board of Peace by threatening to go to war with Iran and why other countries are holding people accountable in Epstein-related cases while elites in the United States have dealt with few consequences. Plus, Bill Kristol crashes the party to sling some takes about the potential field of Democratic presidential candidates in 2028. Make laundry day the best day of the week! Get...

Feb 21, 202656 minEp. 1057
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