2012 I want to work business trip and I wake up on the Saturday morning I've flown to Boston, Massachusetts in America. I wake up in the morning on this Saturday and my friend's parents house and I wake up with a headache. The headache then very quickly turned into black and white lights flashing in front of my eyes. I was then vomiting in a dustbin, because I couldn't make it to the bathroom. At which point her mother then decided that she should find an
ambulance. She called an ambulance, and I get taken to a hospital. And 24 hours later, at the second hospital, which was Boston, Massachusetts General Hospital, I'm woken up by a doctor and being told that at the age of 32, I've had a stroke. This is the mind shift podcast where we share real stories, real strategies that will help
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here. So am I so my Where are you in the world today? I am in sunny London right now in the UK. Amazing, amazing. I'm always intrigued by watching your your little path walks that I've seen you post on Instagram over the last three to six months. always jealous because I'm over here in a desert in the desert in Las Vegas. I love your trees. I love the landscape that you're always posting. Yeah. So we've had some beautiful sort of nature walks in this whole pandemic lockdown
over in the UK. But Isn't it ironic that I then look at yours? And I'm like, Wow, look at that sunshine, and everybody's getting tans out by the pool. We don't have a pool? I know. I know. So there we go jealous on each side. How about
that? Well, I'm super glad to have you here we're gonna have a conversation around a topic that I know you and I are both passionate about, and you more so than me, and that is this idea of time management and burnout and overwhelm and speaking to entrepreneurs and professionals alike. I mean, I guess the first question I have for you is we're about to come out of this lockdown this, you know, we're on the tail end of
this pandemic. And I want to ask you right out of the gate, you know, you said something about, we seem to be more busy and overwhelmed and burned out than ever before, but we're getting less things done. And what are your some of your observations around that? Yeah, so it's so interesting. So during the pandemic, I decided to do a course and I did a course about neuroscience. I was just fascinated to learn more about the brain, having had my own sort of brain injury in 2012.
Maybe we'll get to that story later. But understanding that the brain actually burns 20% of the energy we consume every single day. So our brains are they've just had to be on alert for the situation that we've gone through processing What's going on? What does that mean? What can we do and so although we've had less to do, we're actually more tired because we've kind of been in what they call the fight or flight stage rather than what we ideally want to be in which is rest and
digest. So our bodies have been on this alert light There's an alarm ringing, constantly. And this has been burning energy. And people like your audience have found that, you know, they've probably been working from different places working from home. I'm in the UK, there's been conversations around something called zoom fatigue, maybe you also have that over there. And this is from the fact that your brain is having to be alert in a different way. So it's burning
energy. And then it just panics. Because it's like, I'm not going to get enough food. So if anybody has found that they've craved more food and different types of food at different times of the day, and then obviously, there's a whole conversation about sort of just being closer to the fridge when you're at home. But that's really sort of a super short answer to that question that I could go on. I
love it. I love you know, it's interesting, little bit of study I've done I think the brain weighs is it did ways it's such a fraction of our body weight, but it consumes 20% of our energy is what I remember. And that's it's a great point. How do people in your mind adjust? Some people are going to go back to work and get back into more of that daily going back to the to the office or to the workplace. Some of us that will still be residing and working
from home as a new normal. What tips do you have for this person who is, you know, we're exerting all this energy over, even though it doesn't feel like physical energy? What what kind of tips do you have for adjusting and relaxing in that sort of dead mental energy? Yeah, so I love this question. So let's get in the helicopter of possibility to answer this question. Imagine that you are going to a swimming pool. And you learn how to swim when you
were younger. So you know how to swim, but you're going to that swimming pool and you've not been to a swimming pool for a long time. And you're going first thing in the morning, so the sun's not up. So you know, there's a bit of a chill in the air, but you really want to go swimming. So you walk around that swimming pool, and your brain starts saying things to you. Like, I don't want to go in there. It might be cold. I can't remember how to swim. What if people see me and I look stupid?
What if I forgot to do something? And it just comes up with all these crazy stories? And they just go on? And what if what if, what if, what if what if. And then you get to the edge of that swimming pool. And you jump in, you dive in elegantly, your belly flop in whatever you do, but you're in. And then you start swimming. And it's not elegant. And maybe you take on some water and maybe it goes in your ears. And maybe you have to readjust your swimming outfit, whatever you're wearing.
But then this wave comes over you have, I can do this. I've got this. I've done it before, I can do it again. So the reason I share this analogy is because there is this ridiculous barrier that's come up in the heads of all of us around doing something we've already done before, but that now gets turned into what we fear. So if we cast our mind back to when it was first, like, stay at home, work from home, don't go here, don't do this,
don't do that. And we were all sort of saying, Well, I don't know how I'm going to do it, and I can't do it. And then we adapted to it. It's just about learning how to adapt to the new phase. So my advice to people would be to be kind to yourself, to pace yourself, and to speak kindly to yourself. So imagine you're talking to a child, when you're talking to yourself, you would never say Oh, just pull on your concrete pants and get on with
it. That's what we've heard other people say we should do. But that just feels like hard energy. That is also the old, very masculine way of just pushing through life. Now, I kind of come from a real school of thought of I'm grateful for my life. I'm grateful for my opportunities. I just want to live every day with joy. I don't want to force myself to pull on concrete pants and get on with it. I mean, that doesn't sound fun or exciting to me. So I want to talk to myself really kindly
and say Come on, Abigail. You've done it before you can do it. Again, you've got this. So when I put on my mask, and when I have to wear it for longer, you've got this you can breathe, come on, you can do this. Keep going, keep going, keep going. And so it's just breaking it down step by step by step by step by step. And then one other thing to add to this is around the energy and the energy management and being really kind to yourself in this transition
time. We don't realize how much energy we used to consume, walking to work, walking to your transport your car however you got to work taking public transport or your own vehicle getting to the office, walking around the office going out to get your lunch or even going out to eat your lunch, walking back into the office, pacing around the office, and then commuting back home again.
So, yes, we've all sort of been in our homes, and we've been doing some kind of exercise and going out for some kind of walk. And then we've been sitting and we've been walking to the fridge, we've been walking to the kettle, we've been going back to our desk, we've been walking to the fridge, we've been walking to the loo, we've been walking. And that's not as far as we had before. And then also remember what I said at the beginning about the brain
processing the danger. So being kind to ourselves, feeding ourselves well, giving ourselves enough rest are some of my sort of basic tips, but from the school of thought of what how would you look after a child in that position? and apply that to
yourself? Wow, that's a great start for where we want to go today, I have so many questions, we want to tell the audience a little bit of our backstory of how we met and then get into your backstory because I can't imagine you probably as a young child didn't dream of maybe you did. But I don't know that anyone dreams of becoming a productivity expert, a time management guru and, and really helping people navigate what I know to now be your 888 formula, which is impacting many, many
people. And I think you've got a mission to impact a million people with your 88 formula, which we're going to dive into today. By 2025, is what I think I remember hearing you say, but let's back up, you know, you and I had an opportunity to meet at an event here in the United States a little bit over a year ago. Tell us a little bit about why you are constantly evolving today. And you know, maybe what brought you to that event. We don't have to name the event. We can name the event, whatever
you'd like to do. But what brought you to that event, because I always think that how we meet people in our walks is very interesting and unique. And here we are with another opportunity to connect and, and evolve. Yeah, so I love this question. I'll talk about the timeline. In a nutshell, Abigail, age four is at nursery school, infant school, whatever it's called in the US, I don't know. School. Preschool, she is laying on the playground floor and she is
watching clouds go by. And people are like, come on, we've got class to get on with we've got work to get on with. You can't lay there all day, like stop being lazy. Get on with it. But I just had this ability at four to just watch the world and be mindful. Then go through life, trying to fit in and do it all the ways. Everybody says because you want to be a good girl, you want to be a good boy, you want to sort of please people? Well, not
everybody does. But this was just sort of the way I was raised, which is to please people. I'd always wanted to run my own business. But I didn't know anybody. But you know, Richard Branson, and Sara Blakely, and rock stars and people like this, who ran businesses and they were just so detached from my life. I just didn't really know what to do. So I ended up getting a job and working in finance for over 10 years in investment management, asset management and hedge
funds. But all the time I was learning, learning, learning and I just loved learning. I loved asking people and especially working in hedge funds. Darrell, I love to understand, what was the hedge fund? What happened? What was the great financial crisis? What was going on with the mortgages in the US what what was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mae? What did that all mean? Like, it just fascinated me, I had to understand it. And I did a marketing degree. And then I did a marketing postgrads sort
of evenings and weekends. So I would sort of more describe myself as a marketing expert, if you like, because I've done that whole 10,000 hours of now complete. I'm not a big fan of like titles and gurus and like, give the extra I'm just like, let's just get stuff done. Let's leave the titles. That's why you and I connect well, because like all that fancy stuff, like, let's just get to the end. Yeah, I'm just like, what your title is, this is the problem. Can you do it? Let's
get on with it. So 2012 I want to work business trip, and I wake up on the Saturday morning, I flown to Boston, Massachusetts in America. I wake up in the morning on a Saturday and my friend's parents house and I wake up with a headache. And the headache then very quickly turned into black and white lights flashing in front of my eyes. I was then vomiting in a dustbin because I couldn't make it to the bathroom. At which point her mother then decided that she should find an
ambulance. She called an ambulance and I get taken to a hospital and 24 hours later at the second hospital, which is Boston, Massachusetts General Hospital. I'm woken up by a doctor and being told that at the age of 32, I've had a stroke. Oh wow. So I'm like, What? What the heck? The first thing I say to the doctor is, Oh, no, can I go to work on Monday?
To which the doctor said, No, ma'am, you're going to the intensive care unit, we need to work out what happened to make sure it doesn't happen again. But all I could think Darrell was my boss is going to kill me because I haven't died and I need to be in work. And this is like a good girl thing kind of coming on. And this is the whole way the world was it was like, you know, illnesses, weakness, pull on your concrete pants, let's get
on with it. Don't show any sign of like, Don't let the enemy see down kind of thing. This was the world as it was. And you know, maybe some of your audience can recognize and resonate with this world. This is not the world I live in. Now, FYI, to spoil the story, people. But so anyway, this is like my rock bottom moment. But rock bottom became the solid foundation that I built on because I suddenly had no desire for my life to end
there. I had no desire, because I hadn't really been to Lee living and truly following my passion and doing what it was that I wanted to do. But now I knew what was going to happen. When I died. I knew the feeling that I had in those minutes, when I thought I was going to die. I literally was regret, regret that I hadn't tried things down things failed at things lived big enough, tried this business. So I start the business. And I'm like, I'm going to write a book, I'm going to become a
public speaker. Because in all of my rehabilitation from the corporate world into the business world, I then had to educate myself and what that actually meant because egotistically I was like, Well, how hard can this be? You know, like you just post a few photos online and you work from Wi Fi, you just buy an Apple Macintosh laptop, and you're off. And I guess this is the reality that a lot of people have is that business is the same as a job except you're the boss. Right? So the stuff still
has to be done. And it has to be done by somebody. And at the beginning, you're the somebody's doing everything. So I get this book. And I'm like, What do you mean, I don't have audiences of 5000 10,000 people to speak to that they're not phoning me up saying, Oh, hello, Abigail, you've got a boat, we want to book you. I'm like, so deluded, in that new startup, kind of
entrepreneurial. I'm an entrepreneur. And I was actually one of my mentors called more of a one entrepreneur, like you want to do it, but you've got no freaking idea what to do. So then I go on this journey of just learning, learning, learning. So I start to look to see who is teaching this? Who is teaching that? What do they know about this? What do they know
about that? And I started just flying around the world, following all the teachers, the gurus, the trainers, and doing all the courses, I have probably now invested, I don't know 1000s in myself, hundreds of 1000s in myself on my personal development to become the person that can do the stuff because anybody can go on to YouTube and watch a video about how to paint. But a painter learns how to
paint, right. A photographer learns how to take photos, just because I can take some photos on my iPhone does not make me a photographer, right? So there's all of these lessons and things that you have to learn and like my ego really took a battering and got in the way of everything yada, yada. So to get to the point of like how we ended up meeting, I made a decision a couple of years ago that every January, I was going to take myself off on a business
retreat. So the year before I'd gone to the middle east on a business retreat. And this year, I saw that a mentor who was one of the first mentors that I sort of learned internet marketing from was doing an event and they were doing the event in the US and they were doing the event in San Diego and I had never been
to San Diego. So Darrell, it did not seem crazy to me to book a flight to fly to San Diego for five days for a three day conference to spend three days in a conference room with 5000 people from around the world. And then two days just exploring Mission Beach where they film Top Gun because I'm a big Top Gun fan. And this is just how I want you to spend my off time. And it didn't seem crazy to me
to do this. Just like it didn't seem crazy to me to try to get a seat as close to the front of the room as I possibly could. Not realizing that some of the seats were allocated to certain people and some of the seats were being reserved by certain people for their friends and their family. In my If it's there, universe has given it to me. So I saw the seat, I sat in the seat, you were in front of me, I said, Hello. And that was exactly. I just think it's very
interesting, right? Because I'm there at that time with a friend of mine, who is for a military and has to be at the front of the line, right? I don't have to be the front of the line, I don't have to be in the front of the room. But it was him. He's like, we've got it in the front. So he's down in line. And it's just interesting the way the dynamic works, right? You and I meet out of me, being with someone who wanted to be in the front, not to mention he had experienced being at the event
in the past. But it's just an interesting story, like you had planned to be there for a year reason I was there for my reason. And it just happened that that story lines up with the story of why I'm up in the front, because I could casually get in and sit wherever I want to sit, because I'm gonna hear the same information anyway. But it was very interesting, I'm super glad. And we then got to work in some group exercises, because of the way the event was
situated. And that ended up leading to us having several conversations. I've been on your live podcast, which you run on LinkedIn, you've got a book coming out. And so we've got a lot to unpack, and not so much time. So I really want to dive in thank you for the backstory. And I'm super glad that I hate to hear when life events such as you know, pet 32 having a stroke, but hearing you talk about the rehabilitation side, and I would have never known that. And I don't think I've
ever heard you say that. So that's very interesting to me. And then to see who you are today and how you lead and how you show up. And it's just amazing. And I know that right now you're you're really leading entrepreneurs and professionals. Through this idea of reclaiming their own personal Mojo and walking them through programs, you've got a 25 day program, I believe on helping them reset, which is to kind of pump the
brakes and stop. And I do have to ask though, what are the two or three common challenges that you find that entrepreneurs and professionals face when it comes to this idea of time? management work life balance, burnout, which is a pretty common phrase, what are the two or three things that really we're stumbling over? And I'm listening and learning because I, I've been an entrepreneur a long time, I don't pretend to have a handle on time management myself. I think it's been a work in
progress. But what are the three things we're missing two or three things that we're really getting wrong? Well, Darryl, I think we should dive into the 888. Because this is the best way that I could answer this question. Let's do it. And let's define what is the 888? tell everybody what the eight eight formula is? I'll start with this and then I'll answer your question in all of it. So the att formula is the simplest and easiest way to divide 24 hours.
So if your audience is good at math, they will already have got this three, eight is 24. So it is dividing 24 based on science, which says that we need to be resting or sleeping at least seven to nine hours per day, or per night. So let's call that eight. And then society says that we need to be working around eight hours a day. So then what is left is the middle. This is the jam in the sandwich. This is your life. So we call this rest work activities, which stands for raw, everybody wants
more time. But everybody knows what to do. So I got very, very frustrated in my early days being brought in as a time management author, speaker trainer to talk to people about time management. And for them to go. Yeah, know that. Yeah, know that. Yeah, yeah. I've read a book about that. Oh, yeah, you should. Yeah, that frog. Yeah. pomodoro. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, yeah. Oh, hack this app that and I'm like, I'm happy to bank the
checks. But do you really need me so that the one slide that they paid attention to was the 888 they would take their phones out, they would take photos that would post it on social media, and they would message me afterwards, that blew my mind. And the reason is very, very simply, we all have the same 24 hours. But we don't all have the same beliefs. So we have the same 24 hours as Oprah, Richard Branson, Tony Robbins, whoever your gurus are that you look up to you have the same time as
them. Yes, they now have help. But they didn't at the beginning. So everybody unless they inherited the wealth. arted from the same place. So that gives me hope to then say, right, so if they started from that same place, what changes do I need to be making in order to have the life and the lifestyle that I want. So it's not that I'm calling my audience, my
clients, liars. It's that I'm saying, until you stop lying to yourself about not having enough time, about being so busy about feeling overwhelmed and burned out, until you take a moment, take a step back and do step one of my new book that's coming out time management, entrepreneurs and professionals. Step one, which is track your time, the answers are in the data.
When you track your time, and you check yourself before you wreck yourself, but when you track your time, and you really are honest with yourself, and you say, I'm wasting it. So all this stuff, you know, you don't know it until you actually do it. And this is another big thing until you were applying it to your life. It's shelf development, not self development, oh, bomb dropped, let me ask you this about this tracking. I'm a big believer in what you just said about
tracking. Entrepreneurs who've been around for a while will know this. But you know, I get it from the world of sports. And I didn't realize how playing sports would have taught me so much about the world of entrepreneurship, self development, personal development, achievement, and it is just what you just said, to go back to the sports analogy, and then I'll bring it forward
to your point. And that is that all professional sports teams and sports organizations, they film The games, and then they review the film, no team, in the professional level, plays a game without film, and they just go next week to practice and prepare for the next opponent without reviewing the data. I love what you said, We see it in marketing, we don't seem to want to apply this to our regular life. And I know you and I agree with this idea of sleep, I disrespected sleep for a long
time. It's one regret that I have that I have now taken a lot more seriously over the last six to 10 years disrespected sleep. I've seen you talk about tracking your sleep, I track it on my my Fitbit. And you also say that sleep is a superpower, but to the point of tracking to the person who says track my time they're hearing you. Yeah, track your day, track your time track your things that you're doing what's trackable? In your mind? What should they be
tracking? And why is it important that they track those particular things? To answer this question, very, very simply, I would like to invite your audience to get in that helicopter possibility again, and to imagine what life could be like when they feel better when they feel more in control when they feel rested. So taking some time every day, closing your eyes breathing in imagining that that's possible. And knowing is possible, because if it's possible for somebody
else, it's possible for you. I'm not saying it's gonna happen straightaway, but just stay in that possibility. So then to be very, very specific about what can you track? And why would you track it, in my experience with my clients, unless they are feeling better from doing it, they're not going to keep doing it. And unless they understand they might be able to feel better, they're not going to keep doing it or they're not
even going to start doing it. So sleep is a superpower because of what happens when we sleep incredible things that happened to regenerate, revive, repair our bodies, that if you're interested at all in it, why we sleep by Matthew Walker will scare you into taking sleep more seriously. So I always start in the 80s I always start with the sleep because if you don't have enough sleep, they've done studies to say that it is the equivalent of driving drunk, not
having enough sleep. It's like the equivalent of having alcohol in your body, although you don't have alcohol in your body. So think to the last time when you had a bad night's sleep. And then you've got up how good were your decisions the next day? how slow was your brain. And then when you start to have more sleep, you start to notice your brain gets faster, your decision making is easier. When your emotions are higher, your intelligence is lower. Your emotions are higher when you've
not slept enough. So we know all of it. It's about recognizing why it makes sense to change. Because otherwise you're not going to change, nobody's going to change. The only reason why the athletes watch the videos back is because they know it's going to help them get better. If they didn't know it would help them improve. They would be like, Yeah, I don't need to watch it. Like I played the game, why do I need to watch the game as well? Right? Because you
might improve. And so this is the thing with the sleep, I don't need to go to bed earlier, why do I need to go to bed earlier, because you might feel better. But I don't feel well now while you're awake. So go to bed, like you would put a child to bed earlier and say to a child get a good night's sleep. Again, coming back to what I said right at the beginning, like look after yourself, like you would look after a child.
Because this is the big thing that I learned from almost dying was like disrespecting the vehicle that we are hearing takes you out of the game. Wow. And now I see my body like a Ferrari, I'm not gonna put junk in the trunk, I'm going to look after that thing. I'm going to give it a good shine and polish every day, I'm going to take it for a run around, I'm going to feed it some really good fuel to make sure that it can sustain I'm going to look after those
wheels. Because this vehicle that we are living in and disrespecting and kind of pushing to the limits and grinding and you know, burning out is how it is there's no refund on this. There's no new body shop, wow, you lose the vehicle, you're out of the game. Well, so that's my kind of thing. And that's what the 888 does, it helps people to fundamentally say, oh, by F, I need to take myself my life my health more seriously.
Like the egos writing checks the body called cash to quote my Top Gun favorite, your burning the candle at both ends. And in the middle. And prior to my sort of stroke. If you like my near death experience, I was so disrespectful of sleep, maybe four or five hours, I'll sleep when I'm dead. The universe is like, okay, we can arrange that same thing. Same thing here. I mean, yeah, sleep is. It's just a horrible cycle that we get caught into, especially those of us that are achievers, I think
some people do get sleep. But I think that they're not out there. I think it's the curse of those of us trying to do bigger things and make bigger impact. And so not just, it's not just always chasing the money. Yeah, let's just address that one for a quick second, right? Because this is to go a little bit down the spiritual woowoo hole for a minute. What you want to achieve in your lifetime is already done. On some level, it's already done. So your job in this lifetime is to become the
person that can own that. The person that can own that, first of all needs to look after themselves. The person who can own that is gonna have the money, the wealth, the whatever the status in the future. So how can you be that person now? And how can you look after yourself in your vehicle now in order to be able to step into that in the future. And the whole, like, I've got to get it all done today is a scarcity mentality, like the clock is gonna run out. And I have to do it is ego, ego,
ego. It's done already. So look after the machine, stay in the game, take your sleep. And then when you wake up. So here's the thing that some of my really successful mentors do. They don't set alarms, this is what I hear them say over and over again. I don't set an alarm, I wake up when my body wakes me up. And you know, while my body wakes me up, because I've had some good sleep, I'm done
sleeping. And I would actually say the wealthier my mentors are, the more sleep they have, and the more they look after their body and their well being. So then address the sleep side of the att, then it's about looking at the work side of the ATM as if they've worked for themselves. It's about identifying what's going to move the needle and make the money and grow the business. If they
work for an organization. It's about how to do your role and then get your organization to help you to outsource delegate, bring on new people in order to be able to then keep your time to the work hours because it can all be done. Rome wasn't built in a day but it was built. So why are we trying to sprint the marathon. Then once you've looked at that eight then it's about the middle eight which is your freaking life activities. And that's the one we all
overlook. This is the relationships This is the the time of the family this is the exercise this is preparing food eating food shopping, this is the washing and then if you want more time back from this activities, then you About right? Well, who can I employ to help me to get half an hour back? And then these half an hour's they do add up? It's amazing, so much there that you talked about that, you know, the
idea. I've talked to this point about not waking up to an alarm clock now for about three or four years. And again, admittedly, I disrespected sleep. Admittedly, your whole formula was a problem for me at some point, right? Do you rest activities and work because at some point, it was 90% work, it seemed in 10%, everything else, and you'll run yourself through
it. And the bottom point for me was, you know, not a near death experience, but more so understanding that relationships that were key would be severed, and were severing, if I didn't find a better way to do time management and work and balance
the life. And I think it's interesting, I use the word what's your thought about work life integration, especially as we think about right as we think about the world of being an entrepreneur, and we have this world of the interwebs and zoom meetings, and those of us that may leave the house and travel and how do you think about work life integration? That's been kind of how I think about balancing it and not trying to put them in silos? What are your
thoughts on that? Yeah, so this is, I did actually want to pick up on that, because some of your audience might be thinking like, but I don't want to be my formula. So let's just clear that up. It's a baseline to get you started seven hours and 30 minutes is the average amount of sleep the average person needs. So you just sleep as long as you need to sleep, when it comes to the balance and what is balance and this whole drama and trigger
over word, it's a word. If you don't like the word change the word life, happy life is maybe the phrase that we want, but like happy life is too long. So the word balance is just shorter in a snappy headline or sentence, isn't it? But ultimately, it's having enough time to rest and repair. And then cash funds dreams. So we need to work. We live in a physical world. And then the rest is, do I have an enjoyable relationship? Do I have a relationship? Or do I just not
have time for a relationship? Or how is the health of it? And what kind of relationship do I have with myself? am I eating well? Do I have time to eat well? Or am I working out? How am I prioritizing it, because ultimately, there's enough time to do what we want to do. And what you're not doing is what you don't want to do. Because you always do what you want to do. And that's the big thing. And so the majority of people, and this is why it's good to
talk about the balance. Because in the business world, people burn out in the entrepreneur world, you have entrepreneur burnout, if I hadn't have had a stroke, I probably would have had business burnout. I've had entrepreneurial burnout throughout my journey, trying my ego trying to grow my business and become a bazillionaire. overnight. Because you read an Instagram post, and you're like, I need to hustle harder. Yeah, why?
Yeah. So I started calling this toxic time management, where it's just propagating and you know, keeping the conversation going about, yeah, I know that I know that and you need to do this and that and the other, no
one's actually doing it. But when you make these teeny, tiny, small little changes, and you start prioritizing yourself, and if you're listening to this, and you're like, I don't sleep enough, go to bed 15 minutes earlier, even 10 minutes earlier, like it takes about 10 minutes to get to sleep. So go to bed 10 minutes earlier, you'll be asleep 10 minutes earlier, right? The changes are tiny. And that's it, like Rome was not built in a
day. We don't have to nail this after listening to one podcast episode. But if by the end of this, you've sort of gone away with enthusiasm, or even a feeling of what's possible.
That's I always want to leave a conversation with people saying, Oh, I now feel like something else could be possible, like change the narrative is my goal in life, which is where sharing the 88 with a million people by 2025 is just an opportunity to change the global narrative on this addiction to saying I'm busy, you're not busy, you're just not managing your time. And why aren't you managing your time because you don't know
where it's going? Because you've not tracked it because you've read a book and you've done nothing with it. It's like yo yo dieting, but yeah, anyway. So time management for entrepreneurs and professionals is your book. It should be out and available today. If someone is sitting listening to this right now, and they haven't yet let go of their positioning statement that says they've got
this figured out. Why should someone pick up that book and more so even connect with you further for your coaching and training on the ad rate formula? I want people to read the book, Darrell, but I know that sometimes ownership is enough. Sometimes writing down your New Year's resolutions is enough to convince yourself that you're doing something. So why somebody somebody should buy the book is because if something I've said has triggered in them, I want to change that whether
you read the book or not. It is a first step and a commitment. And you will read it when you're ready. So when it comes to working with me, the clients are ready when they are ready. And the reset program was amazing. Last year, we ran it for eight or nine months, back to back to back to back to back and people set two goals per month. We kept it so simple. We took sort of all the complexity out of it, because as I've said, you know what to do, you're not doing it.
So there's some disconnect here. Let's go back to basics and then build from there. And people used it as a springboard as a trampoline as a way to just get back, get back in the driver's seat of their life, get their mojo back and remember, yeah, I know how to do this swimming thing. Let's come back to the swimming pool analogy. I know how to swim. I know how to not drown. Right? That's awesome. Well, we're gonna make sure that the book is available via the
show notes. You're also out on social media, you have a website, let everyone know where they can find you. So I hang out on Instagram. I also hang out on clubhouse if any of you are on that new app that would be awesome to see you over there. Instagram is a bands author clubhouse is a Barnes author. Twitter is a Barnes author, and also on LinkedIn quite a lot. So find me on there. And then my website success by design training.com. But it will all be in the show
notes. That's right. That's right. Abigail, I've always enjoyed talking with you. I watched your LinkedIn show. And we haven't yet connected on clubhouse that is just due to timezone and things of that nature, I'm sure we're gonna have an opportunity to do that at some point and share the stage there. I always like to finish the show by asking a question. That is, you may have
already alluded to it. But if for whatever reason, you were not able to be here on this earth in this vehicle that you just described earlier, tomorrow, what would you want the world to know you for? So it is my legacy is to leave the 888. And the 888 is just hope and proof that it is possible to create the life that you want. So that's really what I want to be known for and to leave it with the world. That's amazing. Abigail was always a
pleasure chatting with you. So glad we met a little over a year ago, we follow each other on social media. I appreciate your encouragement for me. Your tips, your perspective, I appreciate you taking the time to write the book, it is an endeavor to produce a book and it work. So thank you so much in advance for that. And thank you again for being on the MindScape podcast. Thank you for having me. And thank you for contributing to the book. You are one of the
case studies. I'm so honored and excited to have you in there. Hey, what's up my friend, thank you for honoring me with your time on today's episode of the mind shift podcast. Listen, let's continue the conversation. connect with me on social at Mr. Darrell Evans on almost every platform with the exception of my Facebook page, which is at Darrell Evans fan. Until next time, remember you're just one shift away from that breakthrough you're looking for. Talk to you soon.