So I start to use the business to fuel my gambling and drug addiction. And we had several employees who worked for us. My business partner came up to me on a Friday and he said, Nate, it's time to cut the checks for everybody. And so I just came clean in that moment. I just looked at him and said, hey, if we write these, there's not gonna be enough money in the accounts to cover them. And you can see the look on his face. He was frustrated, he was upset, he was confused. And then it all
started to catch up to him. He realized that I had taken the payroll money the night before, and I had lost all of it gambling at the casino.
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What's up my friend? Welcome back to another episode of The MindShift Podcast. I'm super excited to have you here for an absolutely riveting conversation. I gotta tell you, the guest that you're going to hear from in just a short moment has a story that just blew my mind. Before we get into that, if this is your first time here, and you enjoy today's show, and I know you will, I'd love for you to hit the follow or subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this show.
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addiction. After constantly hitting rock bottom, hurting everyone close to him, stealing a car, and eventually going to jail, Nate went on a journey of changing his mindset and his decisions, which helped him create his own comeback story. He quickly found that there were other people just like him, just like you, just like me, who were stuck believing that the lie that they've been living would
never change. Through his book, 'You'll Never Change', onstage speaking and personal coaching, Nate shares what he's learned to help other people make their own comeback. And I tell you, Nate, I'm excited to have you here. Welcome to the show.
Darrell, thank you so much for having me here, man. I'll tell you, I have watched a whole lot of this podcast, I've listened to a lot of it, and I've become a fan. And so being on the other side of this now has been really, really cool for me. So I'm super honored. Thanks for having me.
Let's dive in. So where are you calling in from? Where are you in the world?
So I'm from Ohio right now. So right outside of Youngstown, Ohio, about an hour south of Cleveland.
So there's a lot going on in your backstory man, lot going on. Let's pick it up with your early 20s. Let's just dive in, and . . .
Yeah.
. . . talk about this journey into business. What was your drive to get into business in the first place?
So, when I went away to college at age 18 years old, I did what every young adult that has no direction in their life does. I went and took out a bunch of student loans and decided I'm going to go to a public university. That's going to be the answer to all of my problems. And to understand why I even ended up in that situation. We were the poor family growing up, we didn't have a whole lot of money. My parents, they had some broken mindsets that were passed down
to us. The reality is, is they were kids trying to raise kids. So I wanted to escape the chaos of my childhood. And I wanted to build and create something with my life. So all of a sudden, in my young adult days, I'm going to college trying to create something but I'm also introduced to this party scene. I'm starting to experiment with drugs, I'm experimenting with alcohol. And I had a really,
really, really good time. But what I found is that what feels good in the moment isn't always good for your future.
Yeah. Let me ask you a quick question. Just, because this is going to be a rich conversation. Oftentimes, I get like 18 really good nuggets out of my guest and then I'm trying to remember all 18. So if you don't mind me interrupting. Let me ask you this question.
Yeah.
So you're in your early 20s. You're obviously, you know, anyone who's been to college, public or private, it doesn't really matter. There's a scene that happens to young college kids, right? and . . .
Yeah.
. . . it takes a lot to kind of avoid it, but for you, what was going on that sort of, you said, experimenting with drugs, why were you experimenting? Out of curiosity.
Well, so after years of therapy, I finally got to the root of it. The thing was, is, I wasn't comfortable with who I was. So there's this insecure, chubby, little Nate that lives inside of me and he just wants to be accepted. He just wants to have friends. And the only time that he feels special is when he does special things. And so out of a way of feeling significant in a social setting, but also to ultimately, trying to escape the fact that I wasn't okay with me.
That's what led me to experimenting, to trying, and also too like, growing up, you're told, don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. And then for whatever reason, as human beings, that doesn't necessarily work for us. In fact, when I'm told not to do something, it becomes very attractive to me. And so that's, that's, that's why.
That's fine but I'm gonna I do it anyway. Yeah. All right.
That's ultimately what led to it.
Listen, thanks for taking time with that. Yeah, so go ahead and pick us back up, pick us back up on the entrepreneurial journey. Thanks for sharing that.
So now, what started out as a weekend fun experience turned into a full blown drug addiction at age 19, 20, and 21. So I had to move back in with my parents, because after four years, I managed to come nowhere close to getting a degree. But there was still this like builder, this achiever, this somebody that wanted to accomplish things that lived inside of me, and through a series of events, a friend of mine approached me and said, Hey, I'm thinking about opening up a bar and restaurant in
downtown Youngstown, Ohio. And for me, this touched on a few things. It touched on the entrepreneur that lived inside of me, but it also touched on this party guy that I had really developed into. And so over the course of about two and a half years, we took something that was failing in the beginning and we turned it into something that was very successful. So now I've have access to more money than I had ever seen in my entire life. Now, this wasn't a life changing
amount of money. I just, I want to be very clear,
Well you're in your 20s.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. And also being the poor kid growing up . . . . . . it felt like the world.
Yeah. It's all relative, right?
It was the perspective that I had.
Right.
And so I have a vehicle that is nice. I have an apartment with high rise ceilings. I'm in social settings that I would have probably never had access to before. And I thought that once I got all this stuff, that I would finally be happy. Once I got all these things, I would be complete. And I found out that I was still just as empty as I was before.
And so the drug addiction really started to ramp up, it really started to get out of control and now all of a sudden, I'm going to the casino, and I'm starting to gamble too. And I'm winning money and I'm losing money and it wasn't even about winning or losing anymore. It was about the high that I would get when I would go to these different facilities. And over the course of a year, I actually ended up losing almost everything that I had. I had to sell my car. My personal bank
account, it was drained. But even though that was empty, the business bank account was still full. And so now I'm starting to move money around. I'm starting to take from the business to, to use for my drug and gambling addiction. And at the time, I thought to myself, Oh, geez, aren't I the business owner? Isn't this my money anyways? Well, here's the deal. Here's business 101 for some of you guys. We cannot take business money and use it for personal, personal investments. That's
called embezzlement. And so, here I am embezzling money. That's fraud,
Fraud, commingling it's, it's trouble.
So I start to use the business to fuel my gambling and drug addiction. And we had several employees who worked for us. My business partner came up to me on a Friday and he said, Nate, it's time to cut the checks for everybody. And so I just came clean in that moment. I just looked at him and said, Hey, if we write these, there's not going to be enough money in the accounts to cover them. And you could see the look on his face. He was frustrated, he was
upset, he was confused. And then it all started to catch up to him. He realized that I'd taken the payroll money the night before and I had lost all of it gambling at the casino.
So when you say secret, your business partner didn't know you had this problem, and was there anyone else in your circle that you were hiding this from as well?
So the gambling addiction. So we would close down the bar at 2.30 at night, and then I would take off to the casino and I'd stay there from 2.30 in the morning, all the way up until 9am. When everybody else is just starting to wake up, I'm getting ready to go to bed. And so then, this became a lifestyle for me and so I'm sleeping until the afternoon, waking up,, running the restaurant and bar and then going back to the Casino night
after night after night. And I was really, really good at hiding and putting on a fake face. Trying to escape and run away from my problems, which I don't know if anybody's ever tried to do before. But oftentimes, our problems have a way of catching up with us or running just as fast as we do.
Oh wow, yes.
Because it's not always the problems that the, is the issue. Oftentimes it's, it's us that's the issue. So now all of a sudden, I'm in this ultimatum, where my business partner, he looks at me and he says Nate, you can sign this business over to me free and clear and walk away from it completely or I'm going to get lawyers involved and I'm going to press charges. So at 26 years old, I walked away from what was
my life's work at that point. I didn't know who I was because my identity was being wrapped up in a business owner. And once you took that away from me, I completely fell apart. I could hardly hold down a job. I could go and get a, get a job as a server at a local restaurant somewhere, but I would resort back to what I knew, which was taking from the cash register. So I'd steal, I get caught, and I get fired. It's happened three
different times. The last time it happened, I was walking around my parents apartment complex. It was three o'clock in the morning, I'd just taken a handful of pills, and I was walking up to different vehicles trying to see if any of them were unlocked. Really, what I was looking for was anything that I could take or anything that I could sell. And I opened up the car door to a 1999 Buick LeSabre. And I lifted up the center console, and I pulled out the spare keys to the car.
Apparently, that's where you keep the spare keys to a 99 Buick LeSabre. And I just thought to myself, maybe this is a chance to escape. Maybe this is a chance to get away because the life that I have now is not the life that I want to live. And I ah, I didn't wake up that morning thinking today's the day that I'm going to steal a car. But when you find yourself in the wrong place with the wrong headspace, you never know what
is possible. So I loaded up a couple garbage bags of clothes and I took off for Houston, Texas. I had a friend that lived down there that said, Nate, if you ever find a way to get here, I'll help you get back on your feet. And so I made it about halfway, right outside of Nashville, Tennessee. A small town called Cheatham County, and I pulled into a gas station because I'd been up for like three days at this point and I just wanted to get some sleep, I was so exhausted. And I remember
closing my eyes. And at 9am I heard three really loud bangs on the driver's side door, and a stranger's hand reached into the car, pulled me out, put me in handcuffs and sat me in the back of a cop car. And the weight of every decision that I'd ever made in my life, it sat on my chest like a ton of bricks. And this thought kept running through my head. It was the same thought that my business partner
had told me. It was the same thought that people who I had taken advantage of had told me, but I found that the loudest voices are oftentimes the ones that are in our own head. And it kept saying, You're never going to change. This is your life now. You're never going to be any different. And so they, they took me to Cheatham County jail where I spent six months of my life. So this is a pod style
facility. So there were 16 bunk beds, there were three tables, there was two toilets, zero windows, and the only chance that we got to get out was once a month, they offered something called church service. Now, I wasn't really interested in going to church at that time, but I was very interested in getting out of that pod. And so we walked down this long cinderblock hallway, off to the left hand side, there were 16 chairs set up. And we're some ugly looking dudes at this
point. So our hair has grown out, our beards a mess, orange, it's not a great color on any guy. And so we walk into this room and this really, really old guy walks in, and he starts to tune up this really, really old guitar. And as he's playing it, he looks at us and he goes, Fellas, the only difference between me and you is I never got caught for the things that I've done. And he starts to sing the song, Amazing Grace. And it goes Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch
like me. I once was lost but now I'm found. I was blind but now I see. And I look around the room and I see guys who had hurt people. I see, I see people who have taken advantage of others, with tears starting to stream down their face. And it's in that moment that this overwhelming sense of peace actually started to sit on me. And that weight started to lift
off my chest. And I just remember in that moment crying out to God and saying, if it's possible to change, I want to, because this is not the life that I want to live anymore. And so they gave me two years of felony probation when I got out of jail, and they sent me back to Ohio. And that's when I went on my journey to try and create my comeback. I got really obsessed with personal development. How do I create
sustainable change? How do I create transformation, not just in my life, but in the life of others. And now my life looks nothing like what it used to several years removed from that process.
Yeah, so rich, and thank you so much for the backstory and the depth, you know, of sharing your truths, right? A lot of times we go through something like that in our lives, and it gets tough to tell that story because we're embarrassed or we're, you know, we're afraid of judgment. And I want to honor you for for being able to go through the work to get to the place where you can tell the story and . . .
Yeah.
. . . and be good with it. And you did talk about therapy. I want to talk a little bit about that before we go a little further.
Yeah.
What pushed you or got you into a place of therapy because I think when we are In a place of suffering, or tragedy, or emotional disruptiveness, a lot of times we think going to a therapist or going to get psychiatric help, or going to get help, it belittles us. It's embarrassing. It's not the step to do. So talk to us a little bit about this journey to go to get therapy in the first place.
Yeah, for sure. Well, so I think in the early 90s, there was this stigma around internet dating. And I'm gonna segue into something really cool here. So internet dating, you didn't do it, because you don't know who you're gonna meet. There might be a weirdo out there, there might be somebody that we're just not going to talk about it. We're not going to tell people
where we met. Now, everybody's got this app that they're swiping left, swiping right, it's like, it's almost the only way to meet people is, is online now. I think there's the same thing with mental help with therapy, with counseling. There was a stigma that was attached to it for a really long time. And I just really see that starting to fall away and fade away where it's like, no, listen, there's no instruction manual for up here, for what's
going on in our head. And sometimes we need a mechanic to get in there. We need someone to coach us and guide us through all of that. And it wasn't until I personally came to this place that I realized, Nate, maybe I don't have all the answers. Nate, maybe I can't figure this one out. Nate, maybe you need some help. And it wasn't until I was humble enough to actually accept that, to say, Hey, I'm willing to reach out for some help, that my life started to
change. And it's not just with a therapist or a counselor, but it's with mentors in my life, it's with people who I have given permission to have access to me on a deeper level. And that's the difference between someone telling you what to do, and you inviting someone in to give you feedback. Is it's actually, it becomes my choice. I'm allowing it to happen, not because I need it, or you think that I should go. But because I'm actually choosing to become the best version of me.
Yeah, change is a choice, I love that. Your book is entitled, 'You'll Never Change'. And one of the bullet points that I know you want people to get out of it, and one of the themes, is that there is a way to stop feeling hopeless, and turn it into being hopeful.
Yeah,.
Talk to us a little bit about that process for you. What changed you from a point of hopeless, right, because for years, you have been going down a path where it was leading to these outcomes, that were not what you ended up wanting, and then it continued down a path, but what changed you from hopeless to hopeful.?
So it all started with the relationship that I have with myself. So when I got out of jail, my little sister, she invited me to church and it was unlike any real church that I've ever been to before. The, the music was a little bit louder. It was, it was more relevant for me in my life and where I was at. And I remember in that moment going there and understanding that God forgave me, he loved me, and that my life could be different after
that. The problem was, is that I still hadn't yet forgiven myself. And so I went on this journey of how do I repair the relationship with me and out of that, I've been able to do some really great things and create things and have consistency and build my self confidence and experience, what is it like to live a disciplined life, but it all started with repairing
things. I would go as far as to say this, the most important relationship in my life, besides my relationship with God, is the relationship that I have with myself, it's more important than my relationship with my wife, only because when I'm good with me, I'm a better husband. When I'm good with me, I'm a better leader. When I'm good with me. I'm a better friend. And so I constantly am doing inventory to figure out hey, what's going on with me what's going on in my
relationship? I don't know if you've ever had, like a friend who talks behind your back all the time. They're more like a friend of me than they are an actual friend. And when you
Yeah, I actually don't know what you're talking about. I'm just kidding.
Well, they're out there
Everyone listening to this show.
They're real.
Everyone listen, whether you, whether you know of them or not. Everyone says that right?
Yeah, and so the problem is, is you don't want to be around them. But you find yourself constantly surrounded with this person. And when you're not okay with you, it's like spending all day with a friend of me. So I had to learn how do I forgive myself? And how do I love myself again, because unforgiveness is a prison we'll keep ourselves trapped in. And it's not until we actually let ourself go and free ourselves from that, that we can start to experience change in our life,
Nate, and I find that the title of your book is interesting. How did you get to the title of the book, 'You'll Never Change ', yet it's all about change.
Because it's the lie. It is the lie. It's the lie we tell ourselves. It's the lie that other people have told us when we were little kids that this is just who you are. I don't know if you've ever heard someone say, Well, I'm gonna do me? And that's how I do things. And listen, I get that. I totally understand. But is there another way? Is that really you or is that just how we've conditioned ourselves or been conditioned by our environment,
to think? I would just propose that there might be a different version of you that exists if you're willing to explore and find out who that person is. But it's going to require us overcoming that lie. That lie of like, this is just who I am. I just don't buy into that. I don't believe that to be true. I've seen the effects in other
people's lives. And I've also seen it in my life, that once you overcome it, now, all of a sudden, you have an opportunity to experience a completely different life that I've never had access to before.
Nate, over the years of me having my journey of mistakes and learning and developing what I call the MindShift Method, and you know a little bit about that story.
Yeah
That was a personal thing but there's of course, the business side of it. How do you address the comment, Once a blank, always a blank?
Yeah, so this is very common. This comes from a person who is hurt. This comes from a person who feels like their trust has been broken. It comes from a person who has been taken advantage of, and I just believe that there are going to be people in our lives, who know a version of us, that doesn't exist anymore. And that's okay. It is okay. There's a version of us that doesn't exist anymore.
And that's all that person knows and so my prayer for a long time has been, God, would you give me the opportunity to reintroduce myself? Would you give me the opportunity for them to meet a new version of me, so that they can realize that yes, I have changed and, and listen, the only thing that I can do is make sure my side of the street stays clean. I can't control what that person thinks about me. And the reality is, I've probably given them every reason to think what
they do. Now my goal is just in the future, is to help other people not fall into the same trap that I have.
Oh, that's so good. Nate. Goodness gracious. That begs for me, then this other question that is on my mind, and I want you to teach me about this because when you make a mistake, that hurts others. So you make a mistake, and it almost always hurts you. You may not realize it in the moment, but it hurts you.
Yeah.
But if you're hurting others with intent, or, or without intent, but other people are hurt, and then you forgive you . . .
Yeah.
. . . but yet you still feel guilty about the thing that happened to them. Talk to me about that.
Yeah, well, so this is so common. It's something that I've dealt with. Anybody that's made a major mistake or failure or mess up, we see it happen all of the time. So first of all, know that if you're listening to this, and you've made your fair share, you're not alone. Second of all, when it comes to repairing the damage of our past, we have to be, number one, willing to accept it, own up to it, and make amends as much as possible to that person.
Once we've apologized, once we've tried to repair the damage, it's really now out of our control what they do next. Do they forgive us? Do they not forgive us? That's ultimately up to them to do it. And there may be some trauma attached to that, that they have to now do their own personal work to try and work through that trauma. Guilt and shame do not serve us. So staying guilty or shameful because of the mistakes we've made or the damage that we've done, doesn't help us help other
people in the future. Doesn't help us make an impact in the future. Doesn't help us change not just the world but our world around us in the future. So I do the best that I can to overcome guilt. And it's kissing cousin shame. All right, they're both
very closely related. But all I can do and I just touched on this, is I've got to make sure that I've done my part, keep my side of the street clean, and then just continue to move forward hoping that that person forgives me but there's some people in my past that still haven't chosen to forgive me and that's okay, I'm okay with that. I don't like it. I don't want it but I've come to a peace with it because now I'm on mission. Now
I have a project. Now I have something that I'm actually charged with now to do to help other people create their own comeback and help other people repair the damage of their past and so I can't control what other people are going to think about me especially when that person doesn't exist anymore. Who I was, is not who I am today. And just because I've made some mistakes, it doesn't make me a mistake.
The next two questions I have just, I want to talk about the work that you're doing today. I think it's absolutely impressive. It is incredible. And let's be clear with the audience listening. If you're listening to this right now, we're not talking about a guy who did and experienced this transformation 20 years ago, 10 years ago, five years ago. Nate, this transformation for you has happened over the last, what period of time and this is 2021 right now?
Yeah. So I walked out of jail, March 17th, 2017.
Gotcha.
So we're coming up on a little over four years ago,
Right. I guess my point to all this is, the wisdom you have, the work that you've put in to be able to eloquently articulate the principles that now drive your life, the
That's so good. ideologies of the past that took you down a path of what I like to call breakdowns, I don't like to call them failures, I call them breakdowns, right.
Breakdowns in judgment, breakdowns in decision, which is where I want my next question to go. Because I believe one of my earliest mentors taught me that is in the moment of your decision, that your destiny is shaped.
Come on.
Come on now, right? So you talk a lot about this idea of making good decisions and new decisions. And I want to know, what governs your decision making today? And I think I've heard a root of it. But let's talk a little bit about what keeps you on the path of good decision making today.
Yeah, so first of all, I love that you have mentors and people who are speaking into your life. The reason why I've been able to accumulate any amount of wisdom that I have isn't because I figured it out, or I'm so good. It's because I actually listened when people talked. I paid attention to someone who had something that I wanted. And so now my decision making is based on one thing, and one thing only. And that is the vision that I've created for my life.
Come on.
So when I start to talk to people about this stuff, I ask them the question like, What do you want your life to look like? Like in an ideal world, what would it look like? And people say, t hey say things that are pretty generic, mostly because we've never really thought about the question before. And they'll say things like, I just want my kids to be taken care of, I just want the bills to be paid, I just want to be happy. And while that is intrinsically, there's nothing
wrong with that. Those are actually really great things to want, it isn't specific enough. And so until we get very crystal clear on what we want our life to look at, there will always be someone who will come along and tell us what it should look like. It's like if you go to the airport right now and you you say, hey, I want to fly in an airplane. I guarantee you, they'll sell you a ticket. But the question is, is it anywhere that you actually want to go?
And so we want to start to ask questions like, What do I want my legacy to be? What do I want to pass down to the next generation? What do I want people to say about me when I walk out of the room? I mean, if we want to get very specific, what kind of money do I want to make? And this isn't like some voodoo or a little woowoo out there. What I'm suggesting is, is like once we have a clear target, let's start to now reverse engineer how do we get there. And that's where your
decision making comes in. So you have to have a very clear vision, that's step one. Have a vision, that's very crystal clear. The second part is, is, now I'm making decisions every single day, that either pull me away from that vision, or pull me towards that vision.
It's binary. I love that.
I'm either building bricks to my empire, or I'm taking bricks, and I'm throwing them away. And so now you have your vision, you add in your decisions. Here's the hardest part and I have not found a life hack for this yet. Now you have to multiply all of this by time. The hardest four letter word any of us are ever going to hear is wait. Wait is the hardest thing to do, especially when you're like, I'm doing the right thing, I'm doing the right thing, I know where I want to go. But my
life, it's not any different. I just, I just want to give you permission to slow down and say it's okay. Keep doing the hard thing. Keep working. Tim Ferriss says that everything we want in life is on the other side of an uncomfortable conversation. Keep having those uncomfortable conversations with other people and yourself. Don't give up yet. Giving up never got you anywhere that you wanted to go. So we're not going to give up this time.
But I just need you to know, this thing is going to take some time. And you can right now go throw a frozen pizza in the oven and it'll taste okay. It's edible. But it's not going to be all that great. There's something special about barbecue man, that's been cooking for 12 hours. There's something special in the process. Allow the time of your life and the process to take effect and take place before you give up.
So good. Tell everyone really quick about the work you're doing. I was really impressed by some of the work you're doing as we get ready to wrap this up.
Yeah, so a thing that I'm super proud of right now is that I get to travel and share my message at different events, both virtually, but also in person. I also go to different rehab and recovery centers where I'm actually able to give this book away for free to people who need it the most, not because I'm any good, but because I've partnered with people who are willing to pay it forward and buy a book for someone that they've never met
before. I'm working on getting this book to become curriculum at different rehab facilities across the state of Ohio right now. And next year in 2022, I have a really big plan to really start to take this thing on a national level. So I'm really excited for and I'm passionate about other people's comeback story. Because our stories have the ability to change other people's stories.
So good! Nate, your comeback is amazing. You're doing amazing work. I can't wait to watch more of your journey. Where can people find the book and connect with you elsewhere online?
Yeah, so if you'd like to buy the book, you can go to Amazon and just type in, You'll Never Change. Or you can pick it up at the website at www.youllneverchange.com. You will also be able to pay it forward there as well. If you'd like to connect with me personally, you can find me on Facebook or Instagram. And it's @WhoIsNateDukes.
That's awesome. I always asked this last question to my guests. And I'm really interested to hear your answer. And that is if for whatever reason, your journey ended tonight. You were not able to be on this planet earth that we love so much tomorrow, what would you want everybody to remember you for?
Yeah. So in my early days, especially when I was trying to figure this out, I would have said something like, He tried his hardest, he did the best that he could, but he didn't always get it right. And I think there's something special about that, really, when you're trying to do the work, like put your best foot forward, work as hard as you can. That's all that matters. But now that I'm kind of on the other side of it, I really want people to know that I cared. I care a whole
lot. And I'm super passionate about seeing other people step into everything that they've been designed and created for. But I also want them to know that I'm not afraid to give them the hard truth that maybe other people have been avoiding to tell them. Because for me the hard truths in my life, they opened me up to the blind spots in my life. And it's not until we become sober enough to the truth and the reality of our life, that we can actually start
to change it. So for me it would be, He's passionate and he cares so much about seeing other people step into everything that they have, but not because it's out of some fake encouragement, but because it's based in truth, and it's the work and it's the hard truth that we all need to hear.
So good. Nate Dukes! Thank you for being here on The MindShift Podcast. Listen, folks, if you've been listening to this show, today, you can't help but be inspired by Nate's work. Listen, whatever you've got going on in your life, this isn't about comparing. It's literally about taking his message of, you can change your story, you can come back, you can make new decisions, you can in fact, prove them wrong by taking your hopelessness to hopefullness. And Nate is an amazing author
and speaker. I hope you'll reach out and connect with him. We'll link up all of his resources in the show notes. And again, Nate, thank you for being here on The MindShift Podcast and hopefully we'll stay in touch in the future.
I'd love that man. This is a great show. Keep up the amazing work. I'm a, I'm a super fan now.
Appreciate you.
Hey my friend, thanks again for listening to today's episode of The MindShift Podcast. Listen, let's not have the conversation in here. Connect with me on social @MrDarrellEvans on almost all the platforms, with the exception of Facebook. My Facebook fanpage is @DarrellEvansFan. Until next week, remember you're just one shift away from the breakthrough you're looking for.