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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Tuesday edition of the show. I'm your host for the next three hours. Yes, that's right, another three hour show. I almost can't stand it. Mandy Connell, joined, of course by Colorado Broadcaster Award Association Association Award winner Anthony Rodriguez nay, and together we will take you right through three pm, where our friends on KOA Sports may have a little bit more information about the firing of
Denver Nuggets coach Michael Malone. And I I am not going to pretend to be up to speed on Nuggets basketball.
I'm not a huge.
NBA fan, Don't get me wrong, Like I root for the Denver Nuggets to do well, but I don't watch the games, so I'm not that person that's gonna watch the game. So but I was thinking this a Rod and I we're just talking about this off the air. This is one of those things where, even if you just watch any kind of sports, you realize the timing of this firing is suspect, right. I mean, we are trying to make the playoffs, which is terrible because the Nuggets have had a fairly good season, but the last
month has been abysmal. I listened to KOA Sports enough to know this, and rather than let them go into the playoffs where a Rod seems to be pretty confident that the word on the street is that they probably won't make it out of the first round of the playoffs even if they do make it. So I'm asking you, guys that are NBA fans or that you have a theory, even if you're not an NBA fan, I would like to hear your theory on why Michael Malone was fired.
Now.
If you have good theories, I would love to see those. If you have absurd theories, I would love to see those even more, And you can text them to the Common Spirit Health text line at five six six nine.
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So there you go. You use less TP if you put it on the roll the wrong way. That's a throwback to Ross's conversation about the only way to properly hang toilet paper, which is paper out.
All of you paper in.
People are crazy and inefficient, but there you go. Like I said, the guys in the afternoon, by the time they start in three hours may have an idea of what went on, but I want to hear your theories in the meantime. I mean, maybe they found out Michael Malone was actually an alien.
We don't know.
Just hire them because we're the king of aliens.
There you go, we are the king of aliens. That's an excellent idea that would make sense more than most reasons. Why good heavens three games left in the playoffs. I some had to go down because I don't know if anyone forgot. I know it's been a couple of years. In the last month, it might be easy to forget. The Nuggets did just win a title.
They are above making a move like this at this time Orlas they knew that the one hundred percent were gonna get rid of them, and they know that David Adelman is their next head coach because he's really good.
I cannot disagree with any of that, but I'm curious as to any of our listeners if they have maybe they have inside baseball or basketball. I guess I should say, or a better theory because it is the timing on.
This you sign Russell Westbrook and everything goes downhill. The most the one of, if not the most inefficient player of all time now getting starters minutes and everything looks terrible.
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, there you go, right, wat just go on a run now.
In any case, you can text us your theories at five six six nine er. We'll get back to those in a few minut and it's let's talk about what's on the blog. Because the blog is incredibly important. I spend a lot of time doing it every day. I appreciate it if you just give it a look, see, give.
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At Mandy's blog dot com. And you guys have to just go to the blog and scroll down to the video at the very bottom of the blog. As a matter of fact, they rod give me my computer audio.
Please books here and I am going to share with you. Bring it down just a little bit.
I'm a talk over President Obama than President Obama for just a moment. This came out in I don't even know what year, this was twenty eleven. Maybe he is talking about government waste and how much waste there is in government, how they're going to go after and he gives examples of stupid spending, and he puts guests who Joe Biden in charge.
Getting rid of Yeah, bring it up a little bit here.
We have to a good start, yep.
Over the last two years, we've pulled the plug on all kinds of ridiculous practices. Apparently the government used to overnight containers filled with nothing.
Don't ask why that is.
Sure, some of these cuts aren't that big, but no amount of waste is acceptable, not when it's your money. At a time when so many Americans are already cutting back, just as families are living within their means government should too, so we can invest in the things that we know will create good jobs and grow the economy, things like education and technology. Besides, after a while all these cuts and up, already we've identified about thirty three billion dollars in savings.
Chiel, I'm going to stop it there, because not only did he put Joe Biden in charge, and we all know how that went. This little video is the perfect punctuation mark to a conversation I had with a friend the other day and we were talking about the protests that happened over the weekend. There was a big one in downtown Denver and it was the hands off protest. We're a bunch of left wingers, most of them old, and that is a point I'm going to come back
to in a moment. In Denver we had more young people. But I spent like an hour and a half just looking at coverage of these hands off events around the country, and you know what, I saw, a bunch of old Democrats, all of them had gray hair. Denver had more young people at this at this protest than anywhere else that I saw. But I'm talking to a friend of mine and she says, why can't they just let him do this stuff and see if it works. Let's just see, right,
let's see. And I said, but you have to understand. People on the left firmly believe that they have the answers to all of our problems. And you see it happening right now in real time as the Democratic Party is trying to find its footing nationally and they're trying to find messaging. And I just saw an article I think I put it on the block a couple of days ago, where the Democrats honestly believe that the reason people rejected them in the last election cycle is because
we just didn't understand their messaging. We didn't understand all of the stuff they said to us, when in reality we understood it.
We just rejected it because it.
Is out of line and out of step with what a majority of Americans are going through in their daily lives. It is not good messaging, no matter who delivers it, it's not good. So the Democrats who think they have the answers to all of our problems, if only we just did what they said they were going, you know
what they are telling us to do. Look in Colorado right now, the Democratic Party in Colorado just passed a bill to use taxpayer money to sue the state, which will be defended with taxpayer money.
And they're suing the state to get rid of.
The Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, which enjoys support at like the seventy percent range in Colorado.
Now, the Democrats are telling.
Us, even though you tell us polling and protecting Taper over and over again that you love Taber, we know better, We know better than you. That's why we're gonna do this anyway. We're gonna use your tax dollars to sue over something you love, and we're gonna take it away from you because we know better.
And when I.
Watched this video this morning of Barack Obama talking about how they were gonna find all of this waste fraud and abuse, and they had found thirty one billion dollars, y'all.
Doats found that on the first day.
And the reason people hate DOGE is because everybody says, everybody, even Democrats, even President Barack Obama, says we've got to ferret out waste fraud and abuse. But they don't like it when someone actually does it, because they mean other waste fraud and abuse. Right now in the United states. Something is happening that I didn't think would happened is my lifetime, and that is we are all taking a hit. I don't know if you've checked your four oh one
k I wouldn't. If you were right now, I would not. The Dow has rebounded slightly today, but it's not going to get those gains back that we've lost last Friday. But we're all taking a hit right now in the service of something that is a revolutionary change. Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that this revolutionary change is what it is going to be going forward, because I don't believe it is. I think you're going to see tariff starting to get dropped in the next
ten days on certain countries. That being said, we're not going to be able to write the ship in terms of government spending until we all recognize that there can be no sacred cows right. There can be nothing that's off the table. And I'm it's you know, it's incredibly unfortunate that people are going to be losing their jobs. But the only way to shrink government is to shrink government. And the biggest expense in government is labor. It's retirement benefits,
it's health care costs, it is salaries. It is the biggest single expense in government because they don't produce anything. It's not like they're buying materials to produce things. I mean different departments may buy materials, like the military might buy materials, but they're not producing things. So the biggest cost is human beings. Right, It's terrible that people are losing their jobs. It's terrible that our four to one
k's are taking a hit. Especially at fifty five. I don't have as much time to recover as someone who is a Rod's age, who will recover beautifully.
But we are all.
Being asked to sacrifice. We are all being asked to do our part, and I think that a lot of people on the left don't want to do any of that.
And the willful.
Ignorance that they show about the possibility of a debt crisis and being unable to pay the interest on our on our loans.
Which is what would crash the world economy.
I mean, this is this is not hyperbole, this is this has all been done before, right, But we're finally all kind of collectively saying, okay, we've we've got to get this done now. The tariff thing. I understand where
Donald Trump is going. He's gotten commitments for people to come back to the United States, but we're still never going to have a renaissance of the manufacturing sector as it existed before, with hundreds of people working on a production line making something that's just not going to come back at the level that it once was.
But what will come back and what can.
Come back are robotically run manufacturing lines. And guess what, guys, robots have to be served by someone. So there's a lot of different things going on right now, a lot of different things. But don't forget there was a time not that long ago that Democrats were proud to talk about saving money. Democrats were proud to talk about Chuck Schumer. I saw this the other day on X and I
didn't grab it, and I should have. Somebody posted video of Chuck Schumer arguing for twenty five percent tariffs on China, and this was early two thousands. So it's funny to watch how people will flip their deeply held convictions. I'm being sarcastic when I say deeply held convictions in order to go with whatever's happening at this moment in time.
So if you take into.
Consideration that there is a section of the left. And by the way, I hate saying the Democrats, because the Democrats implies that if you are in the Democratic Party, I'm talking about you. But that's not at all what I'm talking about. I think there's a ton of rank and file Democrats who are very moderate, center of the road. They just want to be able to live their lives with their families. They want to have a government that functions properly. And I think everybody on the right wants
to have a government that functions properly. And yet there are the people on the hard left who say they just didn't understand our messaging. We just need to make it better on social media. That is literally the strategy that they're employing because they have to fight against Trump because if he solves these problems and they don't, then there's a huge, huge problem with their entire self image. That is really predicated on their belief that they have
the answers. Now, as someone on the right, I believe I have the answers, and there are lots of people on the right that believe they have the answers, but it's a lot harder to argue the answer should be get your hands off my stuff rather than more intervention. And I realize tariffs are a huge intervention, huge intervention. So we are going to see what has happened right now. I'm looking at a Trump tear response chart on Fox News.
There are multiple countries trying to negotiate, multiple countries offering concessions. Canada and China have retaliated, the EU is talking about possible retaliation, and Mexico has said, no, we're good, we don't need to do anything. And I read a column yesterday that was talking about Warren Buffett and Warren Buffert's response to the tariffs, and it was an older column. It was not about these tariffs, but Warren Buffert. I mean, Warren Buffert is the voice of reason here. He is
the look, don't panic, the markets will come back. He's the voice of reason here. But man, it's gotten really challenging to just have a conversation about people and allowing this to play.
Out, because it's going to play out.
It is absolutely playing out right now, and I think within a couple of weeks we're gonna see which direction this is going. So we shall see. I'll let you know what the closes. The dal's up point five to five percent, s and P's up point sixteen percent, and Nasdaq is up like point oh four percent right now. So perhaps today the bleeding is stopped and we'll find out what happens next. In any case, on the show today,
we've got a lot of stuff going on. Kathleen Chandler with the Independence Institute does these really great classes and they're how to become a better citizen and become more civically involved. And she's got one coming up called the Citizen's Guide to Civic Involvement and it's a couple hours.
It's a great thing.
It's all online, so you don't even have to go anywhere to take the class. And we're gonna have her on at one to talk about that. And then I'm super excited about our two thirty interview because there's an app called Travel Freely and A Rod's going to give
us a little background on this. Why don't we do that when we get back a Rod, because it's super cool if you're a person who is using or who has a bunch of credit card miles and points, or someone who is interested in learning about points in miles travel. You're definitely want to want to hear Zach Hood. He's going to be here at two thirty to talk about travel freely and excited about that because I got a bunch of miles and I want to use the most
efficient way. And I just want to say a big, big thank you or thank you, a big big congratulations because over the weekend, our friend Jimmy Sagenberger asked his longtime girlfriend, long suffering girlfriend, we should say Victoria to be his bride and she said yes. So Jimmy and Victoria, congratulations to you both. Yes, and may you not sing the blues about your marriage going forward. So congratulations to Jimmy.
I just wanted to say we're so happy for him to be joining the marriage club, which is, honestly, I think the best club.
We'll be right back.
Let's talk about why Michael Malone got fired. Theories. Of course, the guys three will dig in. I'm sure they're blazing the phones up right now trying to get more information for you, Mandy. When they talk about how much the market is up or down each day, it makes no sense.
How about the total numbers.
Ag this morning open total number up, dollar amount up or down from yesterday, so annoying. I have to go to the Wall Street Journal to find out what the starting and stopping numbers are and how misleading to scare the uninitiated. And it is designed to scare the uninitiated. I did thank you to the texture, and I would I would say your name if I knew it, but I don't.
Who sent me the link? This link?
Give me my computer audio, please, Anthony, this would be a voice we all recognize Chuck Schumer, Senator Chuck Schumer, a much younger man back in two thousand and five. But listen to what Chuck Schumer had to say about tariffs back then.
It says to the Chinese enough already.
It says to the.
Chinese that they are unfair. Trade policies have got to end. It says to the Chinese, this is a shot across your bow. Reform because if you don't, there are going to be dramatic consequences throughout the world, in our country and in your country as well. The bottom line is very simple, mister President. The Chinese have enjoyed a huge trade surplus with the United States, as this chart shows,
every year it gets larger and larger and larger. Admittedly, some of that trade surplus is part of the world is due to the rules of free trade. But much of that trade surplus is because the Chinese don't play fair. They don't let our goods into their country. I can tell you company after company in New York who cannot sell goods in China or can only sell the goods under certain conditions that make it impossible for them to
sell them. The Chinese make no effort to prevent the ripping off of our intellectual property.
These are our crown jewels.
The thinking, the great creativity, the great entrepreneurialness of the American business community is just taken.
And they shrug their shoulders. And worst of all, the.
Chinese, despite the fact that they have tremendous advantages by the rules of free trade, Pylon and add unfair rules that violate free trade. And at the top of that list is the fact that the Chinese peg their currency abnormally low so that their exports get a twenty seven percent advantage here in the United States.
Now he goes on to argue that we need to live a twenty five percent tariff on China. This was two thousand and five. What happened since two thousand and five. What did Congress do since two thousand and five to address any of the issues. He just laid out the same exact issues that Donald Trump laid out as well.
They did nothing.
I think this is why people hate Donald Trump. To go back to my conversation from the beginning of the show, it's not just as braggadocio. It's not just his exaggerations, it's not just his personality. It's the fact that instead of talking about things, instead of standing up and making big, grandiose speeches but then not actually doing anything, he.
Just did it.
All the stuff they've been talking about for years, he just did it. And now there's sort of left standing trying to figure out how to argue against the same points they argued not that long ago. You're not actually supposed to do anything in Washington, DC. You're not supposed to upset the Apple card. And this is something Russia INBA used to say a lot, specifically when it came to immigration. He was very clear on the fact that big business likes cheap labor, and traditionally big business has
been on the side of Republicans. And then he would also be clear about the fact that he thought Democrats thought that that would become a permanent voting Democratic block.
So both sides.
Were very invested in making sure that immigration continued unfettered and illegally, because people here illegally can't make noise about wanting more money, so therefore it worked for big business, and eventually the Democrats would be able to grant them some sort of citizenship when they took over completely, and they would be permanent Democrats, ensuring a permanent Democrat majority.
Both sides working for the same thing, all myne for much different reasons, And now we understand because they don't want any real significant change to happen because then they can't trade on their insider information and make a ton of money. The older I get, the more completely distrustful of politicians of both stripes I am. I don't trust any of them to do anything about what they say they're going to do.
I really don't. I always wondered.
Why Rush was so quick to adopt Trump as his candidate, why he was so quick to support Trump, And lately I think I'm beginning to understand it a little bit better, because as you've become so just disenchanted by.
The political class.
And there's no way that you can be a thinking, rational person and follow politics as closely as I've been following politics since two thousand and five and not begin to have that complete and total distrust that the people that we've elected are going to do nothing to fix the problems that we have in this country. And Donald Trump, I mean, have we ever seen anything like we're seeing right now in our lifetime? Surely no, Mandy, I'm turning
you off. You're ignoring DoD procurement, DoD and entitlements is the bulk of our government spending. By Okay, they haven't gotten to the Pentagon yet, but it's my understanding that they're going to the Pentagon. The Pentagon's not off the table. No one has said the Pentagon is off the table.
And knowing what I know from people who have served in the military about the incredible, gross examples of waste, especially in a wartime situation, that occur on a regular basis under the Pentagon's leadership, I'm on percent fine.
With them going after the Pentagon.
I don't think there should be any sacred cows. I think we should be having a conversation about raising the retirement age for social security, and I am fifty five years old.
Do you think I want to work longer than that?
I have to, But I am more worried about the country than I am about when I can tap into my social security. And that's exactly what I'm talking about, Thank you Texter. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone in the country is going to have to make sacrifices in order for us to address a significant issue, which as we are spending ourselves into oblivion. So yeah, I'm
willing to take the hits. I'm not panicking about my four oh one k. I'm willing to let this all play out because at least part of this is going to have a positive impact on the economy overall. As I said before, I don't think it's going to bring back millions and millions of manufacturing jobs as they were before. That manufacturing is changing, even in China. It's going to robotics.
You can build robotic plants here just as well as you can build them in China, assuming you don't have a bunch of environmentalists running around trying to sue you for everything. Mandy, big business likes cheap labor. Since the left is protesting hands off our immigrants. I wonder if they'd be okay that if that cheap labor replaced expensive federal workers being laid off. That from Steve, of course,
not Steve, because federal workers are their other sacred cows. Mandy, I've waited my whole life for a president like DJT. He starts out speeches with the American people, and it's believable.
I used to wonder why.
The sixty something year old politicians didn't retire and enjoy the American dream they created, because it's if they stayed around into their eighties and stole our American dream from us.
This is the only, the only reason that I would say we need.
Some kind of upper age limit on serving, because at some point you should have to be around to live under the rules and laws that you pass, shouldn't You. People are in one of two camps. First camp about damn time should have done at the end of last year, specifically about the GM, not like home alone, okay, specifically about the GM. And then the second is what the heck? Why do this now? With a handful of games left in the regular season and maybe you know, into the playoffs.
Most people are just like I don't know why they wouldn't.
This is what I said to you earlier.
I don't know why they would just right out to the end of the season and then cut everybody loose.
Then less than two calendar years ago, the Nuggets were the champions.
I know.
I think you earned these last three games. You earn a chance to see if they can turn on the playoffs. I just it's just the Calvin Booth. When I don't hate, I don't think any Nuggets fan hates.
I think, well, Calvin Booth did nothing to shore up the talent around.
Oh, we did something, and it's just something that I didn't like it all.
Because it was the wrong something.
Westbrook.
Yeah, he looked good at times, a good fit with Jokic the man when when the going gets tough, and by tough means more playing of him, more minutes, and then they don't do well. He's bad in the locker room, he's bad on the court, and it's just one of the many reasons why all didn't work this year.
This is an interesting text that I just saw. Have Mandy, my spouse, mentioned to me as company is moving their operations from Malaysia to the US, to avoid the thirty percent tariff.
It's already working. Very interesting.
My bet says this Texter is a disconnect between the owner and Malone. I don't think he was having an affair with Cronky's wife.
Texter Lord.
That's crazy talk, just crazy talk. So yeah, we don't know, but I'm guessing. As I said, the afternoon guys are working, and you know, Dave Logan knows people, right, I'm just gonna say it.
I mean, Dave Logan is people. He also knows.
I'm trying to find out if the nine News special on Dave Logan is available anywhere.
It is so.
Good I've heard and I completely I'm not gonna lie I forgot about it.
Yeah, I dvrt it as the old say.
Yeah, well, I need to find out how to get that because.
We can try to find a copy because it's exceptional. If there's any way that.
Anyone out there can go back and watch it, please do. I immediately texted Dave. I said, Dave, that was a treat. They did a really good job with that. They were so much fun playing days. They even had the one play, the one and only throw from the legend John Elway to Dave Logan the one play that Dave kind of passed from John and it was so much fun to see, and it led potentially, I don't know, you know, things went.
Can I news and ask if they're going to put it on their YouTube channel so you can share it with people? Yeah, And because I know I would share it and then I would watch it. I just like I said Saturday where we were at the cbas So, I just forgot getting all kinds of awards, including our monolist statue for Radio Station of the Year, little backpat for the KOA team right there.
I watched it the next morning and intended to only watch a little bit. I didn't get out of bed until I finished it.
So wow, it with Dave Logan on the TV.
You know, I did text him saying it was a treat.
So this texterter said, don't love the Russell Westbrook trade, but Nuggets should have never kept Jamal Murray.
They should have traded him. That is a sentiment I have heard in the last twenty four hours.
Don't you think that's a hindsight? Is twenty twenty thing?
Though at the now, back to the time when we were talking about making changes Jamal Murray was not someone that you wanted to move at that moment.
Jamal is a killer, but I don't think i've ever heard a Nuggets fan totally scoff at the idea when you mentioned, oh, maybe a trade package for X YC Superstar, which is what I think the conversation could now be moving forward.
So who do they bring in for GM?
I don't know about GM, but hey, Luka, doncic your best friends here, come on down.
Yeah you like it?
Oh, I love it? Everyone would love it. But for GM, I don't know. Adaman's probably the next head coach we shall see and he's really good, highly coveted, so he's gonna get his chance here.
We shall see him.
That's a big time name. I can't think you.
Wanted to see.
No.
Contrary to what you may have heard on Ross's show, Michael Mullen was not ferried fired for wearing a women's blouse, unlike Ross, who was wearing a woman's shirt today.
Who we think we check no emails, can not fired yet for wearing a women's diehards.
Ross is not fired for wearing a woman's shirt.
It's not him, Dave told Rick on the Morning show yesterday that it will be available on the Broncos web page at some point.
Okay, so there you go.
Maybe a lot of times teams have gotten hot after a coaching change, and that's what I was about to say.
Let's see how the.
Team responds to this, because a lot of flatness. I've been listening to the interviews that they play in the afternoon on KOA Sports and the lack of what's what I'm looking for. I don't want to say fire, but fire seems to be the best choice.
The lack of.
Fire in the bellies of the interviews that we've heard is indicative of what the locker room feels like, right, Mandy. Absurd theory, Oh, I love an absurd theory. Clearly something went down last night between the Nuggets coach, a female Russian.
Spy, and Ross.
Well, I'm not sure what happened with the coach.
Ross was sitting on the toilet looking for a deal on radio transistors and turning the toilet paper around. Upon his discovery of a cheap deal, he clearly grabbed the female spy shirt upon leaving. There's a lot going on in this absurd theory, but I like it. I like it a lot, Mandy. The Chinese and several other countries have canceled thousands of grain and other loads from the US I haul intermodal containers. My hours were cut from sixty two per week to twenty five per week beginning
this week. That's after two of our drivers were laid off. Sir or madam, I hope that this is a short term pain for long term gain for you and your industry.
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The second hour of the show. I'm your host for the next two hours. Hold two hours Mandy Connell, joined of course by Anthony Rodriguez over there. And now, you know, a lot of people recognize when things are not going well in their community, their city, their county, their state, their country. But so many of us are kind of stuck on ready set right. We're ready set to do something, but we have no idea how to do anything because we are so out of the civic engagement that used
to be a common part of our society. And the Independence Institute's Kathleen Chandler is not going to stand by and let that happen. She's gonna have a class about it. And she's got one coming up this week called the Citizen's Guide to Civic Involvement, and it's going to help you understand how you can make a difference in your community. And she doesn't just give you grandiose talking points. She gives you actionable points. And now she is joining me to talk about it. Hello, Kathleen Chandler.
Well, hello Mandy. First of all, I have to get that song, your theme song. I actually have woken up to your theme song playing in my head. Yeah, so you're living there rent free.
That is fantastic.
Yeah yeah, your theme song is quite quite great. But the whole purpose of this opportunity is for me to tell you about my upcoming class. So oftentimes people are like yelling and screaming and yelling and screaming, and I call it the you know, the old man yelling at cloud syndrome. There's nothing worse than just sitting around complaining, and then when you ask them to do something, they either don't know what to do, they don't know how to do it, and they don't feel empowered to do it.
So my whole goal is to help people to answer all those questions. I will tell you how to kind of do step one, step two, three, four is all on your own. I can coach you along the way, but you need to take the initiative after you understand how. So this is a practical how to class. Why shouldn't I get involved? How can I get involved? What do I need to do in order to get involved? And realize that you truly are the solution to the overreach
of government. If we don't get involved, government is just going to continue to take and take and take. It's just its natural state, and we need to stop complaining and take back that power.
And Kathleen doesn't just talk the talk, she also walks the walk. She's now a member of the RTD board. So other classes that she has are specifically geared towards helping people run for local boards and other things. How is this class different? What do you focus on? Let's talk about some of the actionable things that you're going to be talking about.
Well, first of all, I want people to see that there are a myriad of ways of getting involved, not just getting you know, running for office, not just getting on a board or a commission. You could be a watchdog in your community, which means maybe going to your city council meetings every once in a while, following an agenda, seeing what topics they're talking about, so that you can, you know, get excited about something that is or isn't
happening in your community. You can be a single issue person, maybe follow stuff at the state legislature that's going through a specific you know, committee. So there are a myriad of ways that you can get involved, not just running for office. Boards and commissions. Really is the place that I like to focus on because it is the most power,
so to speak. Because once you get on a board or a commission and you're appointed by a community or a city council member or county commissioner, that position will give you a lot of insight and power within that government without having to run for office. There's no daily
time commitment, there's no raising of funds. There's actually no putting yourself out there either, like you don't have to be on some social media stuff, and this gives you that power to kind of influence your government, so boards and commissions really are it. So I will give you practical help on where do I look for this stuff because it's not easy to find. Government makes itself difficult for a reason, right, it doesn't really want citizen engagement.
So I will help you to figure out where to go, what to look for, and then help you maybe understand the application process, because there is an application and many of us don't understand that. We either you know, go in there with guns of blazon like I'm going to take over the world, right and fix it all, and they don't understand that there is decorm And really, truly, nobody wants to work with a jerk, so stop that.
You know, I don't want to work with somebody I don't, you know, at least get along with that we might disagree, and that's different than being you know, offensive. I tell people, you know that there's a difference between you know, being objection objection, but of being objectionabull, Right, we got to know those those kind of those lines and just really helping them go through that. Then what I'll do is I'll give you all my information so you can find me.
And then once you apply and you get on a board, which I fully expect you to do. I can coach you along the way. And I have a wonderful woman. Her name is Tasha car She lives up in northern Colorado. She got on the Environmental and Sustainability board.
Okay, you want to talk.
About had a budget crap? I really likely. And she's on there because she's got a science background and she's challenging them like, really, that is what you guys think. And she's not, you know, upsetting the apple carte too badly, but she's making them think right. And that's all we need to ask for is that you get on there and help others to understand the breadth of the issue and that there is other opportunities, other solutions that can come their way.
How many boards or commissions are there in Colorado? Have you added it all up when you start talking about the various levels of government that all have boards and commissions?
Yeah, well we stopped at about four thousands, and that was just in the metro area. We got to Lake and that wasn't it. Every single layer if you think about it, there's library boards, there's metro districts, there's fireboards, there's school districts. But there's also, of course you're county and your city. Most of those. The county and the city have about thirty to thirty five ish commissions. Denver has a gazillion of them because every single neighborhood is
actually considered its own commission. So, you know, after about four thousand, we just kind of gave up. And the problem is is that government is always adding them. They never take them back, So every time there's a problem within a city or a community, they go, oh, let's
just create a commission for that. And it really gives political cover to the cities, to the county commissioners, or to whoever created that commission, because if they have a situation where they don't exactly agree, they can push that agenda through and then blame the results on that commission. So it gives a lot of political cover, and they're always creating more. As I said, there's sustainability. Environmental boards are popping up everywhere, of course, because that's a huge
hot button issue. They're even ones like oil and gas commissions that are starting to pop up in local communities,
which I find interesting. They had one about five years ago now here in Aurora because they were starting to look at the annexation of more and more land out east, and they wanted to get ahead of the environmental and oil and gas and we were able to help kind of steer the creation of that by getting a representative of the oil and gas industry on that board, and that really is helping them shape some of their policies, because otherwise it's a bunch of nannies that are out
there telling you what you can and can't do with your private property.
And to your point about finding out about these boards and commissions and how hard it is to find, isn't that sort of how the cake is baked, right, It's like baked in when they were going to create a board that's going to oversee environmental decisions, but we're not going to tell anybody who might be an oil and gas about the board. That's kind of where you guys come in to poke the bear. Find out where the
boards are. Can you help people find boards and commissions in their area or at least direct them to where they could find that out.
Yeah. Absolutely. The best way, and at least it's the most effective I found, is to actually go and look at your tax bill, like your property tax bill and see how many things there are listed on there. So you might have a metro board, a fire district, a school district, a library district, a recreation district. All of
those are listed because you're paying taxes for them. Then I would do is go and search underneath that in you know, the interweb, because you find out who has what kind of boards and commissions are in that taxing agency. So I know that's kind of a weird thing, but that's really the best way. I wish that the Secretary of State's office, which yeah, right, would have a reposit of all of these where you could go to your tax bill, push a button, and it was the list,
and it would have a URL to all of those agencies. Wow, wouldn't that be revolutionary?
So wait a minute, you're telling me that on each of those lines that is representing who's getting my money. There could be multiple boards and commissions on each of those lines, so you could feasibly Let's say you have twenty lines on your property tax bill and I'm just throwing that number out there, it has no basis in reality, and then there could be like six or four or five boards under each of those. So that's like eighty one hundred boards right there.
Yes, absolutely. I mean, if you think about it, go to your school district, okay, which is generally your largest taxing authority on your property. Okay, it's generally even larger than your county. So you go to your school district, and underneath there, if you go to the school district's website, there's generally all kinds of boards and commissions that are underneath that in that school district, everything from parent teacher
advisory commissions to sports advisory commissions too. I mean there's usually a myriad of them, and you can go, hey, I could serve on that. In fact, I had a father, and this was back in twenty eighteen or before COVID for sure. He was saying, I'm really getting concerned about what's going on in my daughter's school with sports, ah,
because she was on a volleyball team. And I said, well, go to your school district, look at the sports advisory committee and get on that committee and you could start speaking truth about all the sports that are going on in that district. And he did. Now that you know, that was well before you know, boys and girls sports and all of that stuff. But you know, if we knew those kinds of things that in Minutia right there,
that little ady bitty connection. By getting on a sports advisory board for your school district could actually change the policy that the school district is doing because you would be the first level of defense, so that it would and bubble up or even bubble down to that condision to bounce those ideas off of what's going on in that school district.
What do you say to someone who says, gosh, Kathleen, I'd love to get involved, but my skill set doesn't overlap with anything that I'm aware of.
I say two things. One is your school set does not have to overlap. Here's the deal. You're a citizen, you are a taxpayer, and you can actually have a conversation and ask good questions, believe it or not. Years ago, Governor Polis called up the Independence Institute and said, hey, I need somebody to be on the automobile dealer's board because he calls up and wants a conservative, you know, right right. So I said, well, hey, Governor, how about me?
So he actually appointed me to the motor vehicle dealer's board. Now I'm not a dealer in motor vehicles. I don't know anything about licensing. But the only requirement was I had to be a citizen and I had to own a car. I said, good. Now, I went to that board fully unaware of what I knew. I didn't know, right, I know, I didn't know anything, and I asked questions.
And that was the best thing I could do. Why it not only helped me understand the issues, but it made them think about what they were asking, what they were thinking about doing. And I wo just kept asking questions and pretty soon I figured it out and I knew what they were trying to do, which just really frankly restrict people's licenses to get into the motor vehicle dealer war. And it was this protectionist mentality, right, But I don't know that, and so I just asked questions.
So my advice is, if you don't know anything about it, you can ask good questions and you will figure it out. And if you do know a lot about it, let's say you're an accountant, well why not get on your citizen advisory board for the budget because you have expertise, you know how to spreadsheet. So there's a myriad of ways of looking at you as the solution.
Kathleen Chandler from the Independence Institute is my guest and she is having a free class. Wait is it free? I just made it free. I shouldn't have made a free Yeah.
Well it's not free. But because if something's free, it's of no value. No, I'm very valuable. So it's a ten dollars fee.
Wow, ten dollars valuable, Kathleen, Wow, it's.
I'm very expensive. Ten bucks. But it will give you an opportunity to spend an hour and a half. It's from six thirty or actually two hours six thirty to eight thirty, with questions at the end, learning about this process, learning about how to get on a border commission. It's on Thursday night. It's available by Zoom, which is a really great format for this type of issue because the opportunity here, we want it for the whole entire state
of Colorado. We forget Colorado is all four corners, all sixty four counties, all a myriad of municipalities, et cetera. And the more people we can have that realize that it's just not the front range, Like we need to know what's going down in Laplatta County and Yuma and all over the state, all four corners are important.
So, Kathleen, what if people and I'm one of these people, I'm like, gosh, Kathleen.
I'm so busy.
This just sounds incredibly time consuming. What are we looking at? What is the realistic time commitment? How much time in your weekly life did you spend working on the Automobiler Dealers Association board that you sat.
On a maximum of ten hours a month. And that was because I would get a packet usually the day before. I would come through the packet, read through it, and then the meeting itself, and the meeting itself went anywhere, and it was always on zoom. By the way, many of these still meet and zoom, especially if they're a state wide board like the motor Vehicle Dealers was. But if you have a community board, it may or may not be. But you're talking, you know, ten hours a month.
And I always tell people is your liberty and your children's liberty or its ten hours of a month. I mean, we had, you know, our founding fathers trudged across the ruited plane and risk their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to bring us what we have today. I can afford ten hours a month.
Kathleen Chandler, I love these classes.
I think these are like the coolest thing and another great thing that the Independence Institute is doing. You know what I'm going to do, though, I'm going to go find out just for my own edification. I live in Douglas County. I'm going to find out how many boards and commissions are in Douglas County. Now, it might take me until the weekend because I got a busy week, but I'm going to look into this, and then I am going to try and figure out how I can serve on a border commission.
Because that would be awesome.
Well, I think I just go ahead.
Many many of the county's county parties generally have a list, so you might want to check their first, whether it's the Democrat Party of the Republican. The Independence Institute is not party oriented. We are freedom oriented. But sometimes a lot of those because now that I've been doing this for so many years, a lot of people are catching on right and so they selves are starting to create these lists. So you might want to check there because
sometimes that work is already done for you. And I do have some lists, so if you'd email me, and you can do that, just go on to the website. My emails available on the website. But I generally have a list of some of the larger communities and their commissions, not the small ones, not like your water district or your library district. But I do have some of the larger ones.
I am going to go ahead and do this myself, so I can come back and report how long it.
Took, how it's difficult, it.
Was no, because I think it's important, Like if I come back and say, look, it took me a couple hours, but I got the whole list, and I'm pretty happy with this list. I think that kind of gives other people an idea of what we're actually looking at because we're all busy. I mean, everybody's got their lives and their kids and their grandkids and their job and this
and that and everything else. But the reality is, if we don't engage at a higher level to your point, we've I mean, you look what happens to Colorado so far. And part of the reason that Democrats have been so successful in taking over Colorado is because they started by building the infrastructure of putting people on boards and commissions,
so that then went on to become candidates, right. I mean, because boards and commissions are often a stepping stone for people who decide, you know what, I'm gonna dip my toe in here, find out what this is all about. They get involved, they like it, they're good at it, and they say, you know what, I'm going to run for office now. So this is like a It can be a baby step, it can just be an end step, right Like you may serve on a border commission and
that's where it stops, and that's perfectly fine. But we've got to have rational people making rational points on all of these boards and commissions. To Kathleen's point, to just make people think about what they're doing before they do it. You know, I always say, Kathleen, before I'm about to do something stupid, I make myself say it out loud, because when you say it out loud, sometimes you hear your voice and you go, well, that's the dumbest thing I could possibly do here. I'm not going to do
that same thing. We've got to have people speaking these principles out loud to whoever wants to hear them. So, Kathleen Chandler, thank you so much for doing this It is again April tenth, this Thursday, so you've got a couple of days. It's from six thirty pm to eight thirty pm. It is a whopping ten dollars cost. Okay, you can sign up at the link that I put on the blog today at Mandy's blog dot com, and or you can go to I to I dot organ
It's on the events page there. So, Kathleen, thanks so much for making time, and more importantly, thanks for your commitment and the Independence Institute's commitment to raising the civic engagement for like minded people like us.
I really appreciate that.
Well, thank you Mandy for the opportunity, and I hope that more and more people will stop complaining and get involved in their community and take back their government.
Amen to that. Kathleen will talk to you again soon and we will be right back right after this, Mandy.
Boards and commissions and nonprofit boards is how John Hickenlooper got his start. Then he ran for mayor and it's all downhill from there. But that is why these boards and commissions are so important. If you missed my interview with Kathleen Chandler in the last segment, you really should check it out.
Reminder.
Yesterday at two point thirty we had Rich Guggenheim from Gaye against Groomers on and they're having an X space which is kind of like a zoom meeting on X Tonight at five point forty five, they're talking about the ongoing attacks on parental rights in Colorado, and I have to thank a listener for sending me a column from the Federalist that outlines the issues that are happening here in Colorado when a dad has the audacity to push back against his son saying he wanted to become a girl,
and this story is especially egregious, and there of course is another side to this story. But the fact of the matter is is the Federalist dot Com reached out to the mother in this case and she not only refused to speak to them, she tried to have a gag order slapped on her ex husband to keep him from talking about this. But in my mind, from the way this is presented, and again there are two sides to every story, in the way this is presented, it
sounds like this is one of those women. She's in academia, she is a left wing woman. She needed to have gayer trans children in order to make herself feel special, and so she has shoved them all into some varying degrees of a special category. From a very young age, at the age of five, she determined her twins, one male, one female. At the age of five, she herself determined that they were gay. Now, don't get me wrong, there were a few kids in my life that, in hindsight,
I always knew were gay. One of them was a dear friend of the family. And when he showed up at an event. Now this was the seventies, so this isn't as crazy as it sounds, but he.
Was like six years old.
He was a little bit older than I am, and he was wearing an ascot. I mean, even then, you're like that kid walks to the beat of a different drummer. But I didn't have words at the time to understand he was gay. And then my best friend in middle school and much of high school was a guy named Mark. And Mark had an incredibly strong sense of style, and he was wildly funny and I still adore him to this day. But when he came out to me when
he was twenty we were in college. It was a very emotional experience for him to come out to me and tell me that he was gay. This was the late eighties. It's not celebrated the way it is now. But when he said, you know, I just want to let you know I'm gay, and I was like, and you know, like, seriously, dude, I've known this for a long time.
And he got kind of up that I just said, of course you are.
But it's not to say that little children cannot behave in such a way that would indicate later that they are gay. But to decide that both of your twins are gay, and then both of your twins are trans, which is what this woman did, and she started dressing them in the opposite sex. Now, the young woman, thankfully, the young girl that is her daughter, grew out of it and refused to have her hair cut short, refuse.
To dress like a boy.
But her son, who likely is gay, has now been pushed into medicalization, even though he has expressed some significant reservations about it as a child. The mom is marching forward in the state of Colorado is right there with her, because in the state of Colorado, you're not allowed as a parent to say, you know.
What, let's talk about this. Maybe you're just.
A feminine guy. Maybe you're just gay. Maybe that's it. You're not allowed to say that. That's considered conversion therapy. Now, shoving your kids into being trans is not considered conversion therapy, which I think is ridiculous.
But the things that are happening now in.
The state of Colorado, if I had a small child, I would not take moving out of the state off the table just for that alone.
Mandy, what the hell is an ascot?
It's ascot asct and it's a jaunt scarf tied around your neck, mostly tucked into the front of your shirt. Think Charles Nelson Riley right, he always had an ascot or a scarf tied.
Around his neck.
An ascot anyway, Kid Rock is the ultimate peacemaker Texter. That column on the Federalist dot com is on the blog as well today.
I also have several.
Things on the blog about the tariffs. Lots of people weighing in with really interesting conversations about the legality of it, the long term effect of it, a lot of people throwing a lot of speculation on the fire. And I think it's really interesting and probably helpful to read all of it, because reading all of it will give you a sense of what the potential outcomes are from all
different areas. Right, So this person said, I'm funny and have a great fashion sense, but I'm not gay, and I probably wouldn't have got the gay vibe off of you. But my friend Mark, Yes, even though he played football and he was a manly kind of guy, but he was clearly gay in my mind.
Clearly. I do want to talk for.
A second about another sports story that I don't want to talk about the sports aspect of it.
Loan Tree.
The City of Loan Tree seems to be going all in on trying to woo the Broncos ownership to put their stadium in Loan Tree. There's a huge plot of land about four hundred and fifty five acres southeast of the intersection of RidgeGate Parkway and I twenty five in Loan Tree.
That part of.
That part of land, that patch of land right there around the RidgeGate station is part of Loan Tree. They annexed it some time ago. So they're trying to build or sell rather that location, even though it's already been zoned and plotted and mapped out for a huge development.
They're basically saying, look, you guys, look at this big space.
We've got great roadways coming in, which is sort of true, but you only have two areas of entrance and egress because the RidgeGate entrance on twenty five is fairly close to the four to seventy exit or four seventy interchange, but not right there. And Loan Tree's going at it. They're ready, they're ready for the Broncos to come down there. And I just I wanted to ask you, guys, whether
or not you're a fan of the Broncos. Maybe you live in that area, that general vicinity, and I'm going to say this, I'm going to take the current location for the stadium off the table for consideration for this conversation because I know most people would like to keep the stadium where it is. I just don't think that that is realistic in today's NFL, because in today's NFL, you don't.
Just have a stadium.
You have a stadium that is surrounded by an entertainment district, so you have business and activity.
All year long around the stadium.
The other thing I just thought of, too, is.
The interruption that the current site being changed would be because you need somewhere to play for a couple of years. The Broncos are not just any team. You gotta have them play in the heart of Denver NonStop. So play now where they are while the new ones built elsewhere.
Unless unless they do what Seattle did, which was build the stadium in the parking lot of the old stadium, which screwed parking for three years. But build it in there, and then you implode that stadium. And then Seattle actually built the baseball stadium in where the old stadium a football stadium was, So you have a stadium district in Seattle.
Now there's just not enough room down there.
There's enough room for one stadium.
Yeah, but like not for every force Field now, I know I'm saying, like not for Jerry World.
Ask everything parking one.
Hundred and fifty five acres is. Have you been down there by the RidgeGate station. There's a ton of empty land right by it. I'm saying, where they are now, Oh no, where they are now, it's not featal.
So I'm saying for everything they would likely want to do in that district, yeah, you can't do it.
It's not it's not going to happen where it is now. So let me ask you this. If you had to pick one of two locations, one being Lone Tree right off I twenty five, and one being somewhere in Aurora, probably up off seventy, I would think up maybe you know in that area, which would you prefer?
See you more north?
Selfishly, be down south? Selfish?
Oh, but here's the upside. For down south.
You've got all of Colorado springs that you then bring in.
But if you're up.
North, you got Boulder, you got four Collins, you got all of that that you bring in. I'm just text me five sixty six nine, ohs five sixty six nine. Oh, I'm pushing my chips in near the airport. I know, we'll see. We'll do that next, Mandy. NFL visiting teams already stay at the Gaylord. I didn't know that it sounds cool to stay at the hotel where the you know, visiting team stays. But as a flight attendant, that happened on multiple occasions, and honestly, you never see any players.
Like they get off the bus, they go upstairs in the room, and that's it. Loan Tree, Blank, Aurora. No, I'm not gonna say that word, Mandy. There's certain places in Colorado where you don't build anything nice. Preblo Greeley and Aurora I built. I bet it's built Loan Tree.
You know what.
I know Aurora's reputation.
I've been to Aurora, but there are beautiful parts of Aurora.
There really are.
Beautiful neighborhoods, beautiful areas. So Aurora is like the Tale of Two Cities, right, just like any other big city its size. I mean, there are places in downtown Denver that I would not, you know, get.
Out of my car.
So let's just like recognize that not all of Aurora is bad. And I maintain that Aurora's food scene is the most interesting food scene in this state. That's where you've got all the good ethnic food, and it won't break the bank. Mandy out by the airport that way. Stupid sports ball screws up traffic way out there and doesn't ruin the lives of decent people in town.
So obviously an.
Enthusiastic supporter of sportsball, I don't see anyone saying Aurora Aurora has no chance against Loan Tree. I live two hundred and fifty miles from Mile High. I have season tickets and don't like anything about Aurora Loan Tree Aurora. A rumor is Aurora is built on an Indian burial ground. Okay, we don't want that, Mandy. This is Kathleen Chandler. It's like we just talked to her. They will create a stadium district. Currently there is a Broncos stadium district. They
look at parking, noise, et cetera for the community. That's one of the reasons I think Loan Tree may have an edge because there is nothing except some apartment complexes around that RidgeGate station. Now Loan Tree is already mapped out. They're gonna build this massive criminal justice center. But if they if they think they can get the Broncos stadium, I'm guessing they would go back and rework all of that entire area to make it more attractive.
We shall see, Mandy.
I've always thought the Broncos should look at the area around Northfield and Commerce City, between Quebec and Central Park, going to Ours fifty sixth and Dick's Sporting Goods Park. There seems to be enough open area there, and that bit area is a bit upscale. It's close enough to is seventy to Denver, and it's along the way to the airport, But is there a light rail to that space? I mean, as much as I make fun of light rail, the only time I use it is games.
Oh by the way, if you're John who.
Met my husband Chuck on the light rail going to opening day on Friday, thank you for the.
Kind words and thank you for listening. Anyway. Meant to do that earlier.
I forgot.
Why would anyone build anything in Aurora Loane Tree? They can figure out the road situation this text.
You're missing the boat.
Build it over the highway where the stadium is currently at. Then you have both sides for entertainment except and aerd Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the other side of I twenty five? Isn't that all cronky? Don't they own all that land where Elitches is and everything else around Ballerina.
That's where the whole new developments go.
Yeah, so that's already planned out and mapped out and that's not available. So yeah, isn't downtown an entertainment zone it used to be.
Move to Stadium East.
Then everyone has to travel more Mandy. Why aren't there isn't there much talk about a new stadium in the northern area, like Frederick or Longlant. All I hear is Loane Tree and Aurora because it's too far north, because then you the kind of cut the legs out from under season ticket sales for Colorado Springs.
That's another thing.
I think Aurora has a little bit going against it because no offense to you folks on the planes, there's just not a lot east that is going to draw that fan base to an Aurora. So I don't know it's going to be fascinating watch but a rod. Now we're talking about this on the break. Their lease is up at the current stadium in twenty thirty, so give in we'll say two and a half years to build a new stadium.
They got to make a decision soon.
So all the speculation, we won't have to speculate much longer.
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I'm your host for the next one hour, Mandy Connell, and We've got a lot to talk about, so let's jump in for a moment, real quick, a rod. Now we're just talking about this. Two good things have happened for the Rockies. Number One, they called up Chase Dolander on Sunday and he pitched lights out and got a win in his first start in course field. It was spectacular thing. Number Two, Zach Bean, who was an absolute rock star in spring training, is now being called up
as well. He's an outfielder. His bats have been super hot playing for the Isotopes. So if you like me exact Vian Machine calling it now, I.
Don't know about that. No, I don't love it. No, I don't hate it, Red Machine, I don't hate it. I don't I don't. I don't hate it.
But I'm not married to it right now, like we can date, but I'm not ready to commit.
Right that's right.
So if you're guys, I'm just I've adopted a new attitude about the Rockies this year.
I Am just going to focus on the bright and.
Shining spots because there are bright and shining spots.
Big one.
Starting pitching, yep, big time, and just ignore the perts that are not working right now.
Score twelve runs.
I know, I know that was exciting. Everybody's bats woke up at the same time, so really hard the Brewers. But you know, I know, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Anyway, I want to talk about some other stuff that is going on today. The Aurora Police Department woefully understaffed, and I gotta tell you, I am liking so far Aurora Police Chief Todd Chamberlain. As a matter of fact, let's let's invite him on the show A Ron's reach Out.
We reached out right after he's started, and we're told, hey, you know, basically like let him get his feed hundred. But I like him because he doesn't sugarcoat things, and he has been working very diligently to bring down especially retail crime in Aurora. Crime levels are dropping slightly, not in all categories, but they are dropping in Aurora, which is good, and they're doing it while they're understaffed. Police departments should be staffed at two officers per one thousand
community members. That's according to FBI standards. Aurora only has about one point seven officers per one thousand, and Chamberlain says it might even be a little bit more skewed because right now Aurora has seven hundred and forty eight officers for a city at four hundred and four thousand people, but the actual population is probably closer to four hundred and fifty thousand when you count the thirty thousand undocumented people living in Aurora and the twenty thousand on Buckley
Space Force Base. Now, this is what I like about Aurora PD Chief Todd Chamberlain.
Listen to what he said to the council. He said, this is not a request for bodies.
I understand the budget and the mechanics of that, but I think this is something that needs to be discussed.
And I wanted to be sure you were aware of it.
So he's not coming in saying I can't do my job without some help. I need more, which would be great. I mean, realistically, that's what he needs. He needs more officers, right, that's the thing. He needs more officers. But he also knows what the budget situation is in Aurora. He also touted those arrest statistics that I was just talking about. In January of this year, police made six hundred arrests.
In February five and ninety six arrests. Much of the increase was based on the intervention they're doing on shoplifting. This year to date, there have been two thousand, seven hundred and forty two reported crimes in Aurora. By the same time last year, there had been three thousand, five hundred and twenty three. Overall crime rates are down, but auto theft and robbery are up. So, I mean, you know, I realized that Aurora is like the punching bag for
a lot of people, and they've got problems. But if you've ever watched a community that's moving in the right direction, you will recognize that Aurora.
Right now is moving in the right direction.
They've got a city council that is dedicated to making Aurora a safe place for families to live, make it a safe place for businesses to be. They're welcoming businesses from all over the world.
I'm telling you, I am high on Aurora right now. I think Aurora is.
Positioned to chip away at their reputation as being the place where you know, can't afford to live in Denver, go live in Aurora.
I believe that. I think they're doing a good job.
By the way, since Chief Chamberlain has taken over, they've made significant changes to some of their policies that had been changed dramatically by leadership that was very concerned about making sure that criminals always got the benefit of the doubt. And don't get me wrong, you're innocent until proven guilty.
But the seven policies that Aroor has modified include those for emergency response of vehicle operations, police vehicle pursuits, reporting use of force, use of force investigations, use of force adjudication, arrest procedures, and complete and discipline procedures for sworn members. And when Chief Chamberlain came in, the department had a massive backlog of personal complaints and uses of force, some investigations that were two to three years old.
All the investigations need.
To be done, but in the time, a lot of times when people have been accused of something, it takes them off the street while they're being investigated. They need to be investigated, they need to be put back on the streets. You would think that now with the pretty ubiquitous use of body cameras, these investigations should be able to be adjudicated very quickly. Go look at the body camp finish, talk to this, you know, talk to everybody that was there and make those decisions quickly.
And he says he has.
Specifically, he said officers were not being addressed in a timely manner when they did wrong, and officers under investigation who were in the right were not being put back into the field. The process has changed, so this is no longer the case. And now if you steal a car to Aurora, they're going to chase you, which is something that most people knowing. A vast majority of people who steal cars use those cars to commit other crimes.
A vast majority of people who are caught with a stolen car generally have all lot more crimes on their rap sheet. Stealing a car is not a victimless crime. It's not a couple of teenagers stealing a car to go joy riding. At this stage in the game. That may be a tiny percentage of it. But people who steal cars are criminals who are likely going to commit other crimes.
So I don't know.
If I lived in Aurora, i'd be happy about it. I would, I'd be happy about it. I live in Douglas County, where they do not play on crime. You want to shoplift in Dougcoat, You're going to jail. You want to steal a car in Dougcoat, you're going to jail. You want to break the law. In Doug Cooat, you're
going to jail. And now we have a da or, we have a prosecutor in the twenty third Judicial District that is promised that he will actually enforce crime laws, which is delightful, I mean, really delightful.
So there you go, Aurora. I'm rooting for you.
Stay the course, keep doing the things you're doing, and hiring the people you're hiring. And like Aurora is on the upswing and that's a great place to be. We'll be right back. I get a mix of text messages and emails, and some of them say things like this, probably everything's swept.
Under the rug Aurora. I don't know what they're trying to say here. Their grammar's terrible.
Denver East without the added taxes and fees and I live there. And then I get text messages like this one from my friend Hazel that you guys know as well. She said, thank you for the plug for Aurora where I live. I have loved it here for the last forty six years. Hugs Hazel.
I got an email from someone saying, thank you for.
Saying what you're saying about Aurora because there are beautiful parts and we're excited about the changes that are happening. So I, like I said, I'm keen on Aurora Colorado right now. I think they're on the upswing. I hope it continues. We shall see, we shall see. Now, I've got a few things on the blog that we did not get to what of them, I've spent zero time talking about the Trump portrait kerfuffle at the Colorado Capitol because I genuinely think it's one of the dumbest things
that I've ever seen in my life. And this is the part of Trump that I really don't care for, when his ego creates a situation that is entirely unnecessary and unneeded.
And this is what happened.
If you didn't hear the story, Trump had a portrait that was painted during the Trump administration, and in the Colorado Capital they have all of the former presidents, so that particular portrait was painted by a woman that has painted multiple multiple paintings of presidents, including the one of President Barack Obama, and Donald Trump doesn't like it. He
thinks it's ugly. He said that he thought the artist purposely distorted him, so he would look good or look bad in this portrait, and he wanted it taken down.
Now, is it the best portrait I've ever seen?
No, it is not.
It lacks a little bit of depth for my taste. But is it the worst portrait I've ever seen? Absolutely not. There's absolutely nothing outstanding in either way. It's certainly not some kind of, you know, ridiculous caricature of the president. And artist Sarah Boardman, who actually painted the painting, said that she has essentially been in danger of losing her
entire business because of these comments by President Trump. Now, in today's blog, I put a link to her website where you can see her portrait work, and you can see that the portrait of Donald Trump is entirely consistent with the portrait work she had done of other presidents.
Right, so this is not like you.
It's again, it's not a horrible portrait. It's not my favorite, but it's not horrible. But because President Trump has been so vociferous about his hatred for this portrait, it has now potentially destroyed this woman's portrait business.
Portraits are hard, you guys.
I mean they're really really hard.
Not every artist would even take this on she's, by the way, a classically trained artist who has been doing this for a very very long time.
So I feel bad for her.
I feel bad that she got caught up in Trump's ego. Yes, but what were you and Ross laughing about?
What were Ross and I?
Ross and I never laugh Were we laughing about something? I don't know what we were laughing about? I mean a little bit more, Mandy. The portrait is very bad, Rick, It's really not you guys. It's not my favorite portrait. As I said, I think it lacks a little depth on his face, but it's not hideous. It's not awful. I've seen far worse, far far worse. So anyway, that is on the blog today, really really cool story, although I think it's being sold in such a way that isn't entirely accurate.
Now, I did not watch Game of Thrones. Did you watch Game of Thrones? Arod?
Did you watch that Game of Thrones? Okay, so what is the deal with a dire Wolf? So the dire Wolves are a part.
Of Game of Thrones, Yes they are.
They are a part of the royal family up in the north, the Starks, the dire Wolves.
They all all the kids have dire wolves.
Well, they went and then.
They got some DNA from a dead deceased because they are extinct dire wolf, and they patched it together with some gray wolf DNA, and they birthed what they're calling the return of the dire Wolf. But what we've got is actually a gray wolf that is genetically altered. So we have a GMO a wolf that looks like a dire wolf, but it's still probably mostly.
Yeah I should Why was that necessary?
Because if they're gonna bring back dinosaurs to create Jurassic Park, because we know that went, well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, they're gonna have to do this again. What what extinct animal would you like to them to bring back if you could. I would love to see a wooly mammoth. Stop stop, I think a wooly mammoth would be cool. Stop across the board. You just said it, Jurassic Park. They're extinct for a reason.
No, thank you, and move.
Messing with nature, Mandy, We are messing with it, accurate. Nature tends to mess back, just like time.
What animals should we bring back?
See?
I kind of want to bring that Wait a minute, I kind of want to bring back the Dodo bird. Just so the saying it'll go the way the Dodo bird can no longer be used, even though I use it a lot.
I'm just throwing that out there.
No.
Oh, during the entire George We'll Interview, you too were laughing. Oh, well, we were laughing because he was funny. Well, that's we were just responding to our guest. Maybe Humter Biden can pagn his portrait said this Texter because he's so talented. Well, if you were in the Points in Miles game, or you want to be in the Points in Miles game, or you don't even know what the Points in Miles game is, but you like the idea of traveling for free.
My next guest, you really really need to pay attention, because Zach Hood is a former elementary school teacher who has left the little children behind to herd an entirely different kind of kittens on his.
App travel Freely. So, first of all, Zach, welcome to the show.
Yeah, thanks Mandy, thanks for having me.
Get right on that microphone. Get I always say, get uncomfortably close.
You can move it up.
Yeah, there you go, Yeah, there you go. So tell me a little bit about travel Freely. Let's start with that.
Yeah, So it started about seven years ago when I was elementary school teacher at Saint Mary's Academy just a few miles away here, and I was I was able to travel a lot with points in miles.
My wife and I, even though.
We were in grad school, had lower paying job school teacher, mental health counselor my wife, and we were able to take these incredible trips because we learned just the basics of maximizing points and miles through credit cards. And we started getting asked all the time from friends and family how we were doing it because they knew we didn't have this money to stay at five start hotels exactly,
this class flights, those kind of things. So I did some seminars around Denver, tried to be like a consultant and I'm an introvert, and that did go super well for the long term. But I realized there's something here people really want to know about it, and so the idea came, let's turn this into an app and have it be a tool that helps people manage this process, but also educational resources that can go alongside it, where we can hold your hand on how to get started,
how to keep going and move forward from there. So it was a bit of a as needed kind of thing as I saw people really connect with it, but wanted to give them tools to be able to cash in and take those big dream to trips.
So one thing I want to start our conversation by saying, I'm going to say this, and I'm going to say it very clearly. Do not go out and run up a bunch of credit card debt to get free points in miles. That is counterintuitive, it is not the way the system is designed to be maximized, and it is a dumb choice.
I'm just gonna lay that out there right now.
We are not talking about going out and running up debt you can't afford. And I would even go as far to say if you can't afford to pay your credit cards off monthly, you're really in a very precarious situation.
So that's my disclaimer of our conversation. Now you don't.
Disagree that, and you took my words out of my mouth there, because when everything we say, when we get started with whether it's a webinar email, it's like, if you don't trust yourself to pay your bills off on time, pay the balance off.
Then don't even get started with this. Don't do it. It's hot worth it.
If you do trust yourself, you're financially savvy, you understand paying your bills off on time won't bring any extra fees or anything like that, then this is pretty much the number one coolest thing you could learn to do. If you have great credit and instead just staring at a really cool credit score, actually put it to use and get some great credit cards that can give you amazing free trips, you know, for your lifetime.
Really well, let's talk about the excellent credit score? What is that seven to fifty.
Based on the there's I think a few different ones now eight fifty to nine hundred, but anything pretty much above seven fifty is great.
Above eight hundred is even better.
Okay, so let's talk about how to play the game. How does this start?
Like, assume I know nothing and you're going to say, look here, we're going to walk you through. I'm getting my first credit card. What does that look like?
What am I looking for?
Yeah? So I would say that's step three or four.
Try to start at step zero and just say, you know, if you trust yourself, like we just talked about, to pay your bills off on time. You need to realize that banks are fiercely fighting for your business. The average person that gets a new credit card holds it for seven years. And so these big sign up bonus offers that we see all over the you know, internet and on commercials, they're hiding in plain sight, but they're actually
really really good. And then there's certain cards that are better than others, that have more value and more flexibility and how to redeem them. So it's really about I always think it's about getting the very first, next best credit card for you going through that process of hitting the sign up bonus and earning the free travel, and then stop and pause and say, you know, does that fit your lifestyle?
Was that easy? Hard, complicated, stressful?
And if you book that free travel, little extra encouragement motivation like okay, I could do this again. So pretty much take everything out of this being a long term hobby and just focus on what I like one thousand dollars worth of free travel? How much do I spend each month on my regular credit card expenses? Can I put that to work in a smarter way and earn a big bonus at the beginning, and then go through
that process. So I think that just starting with baby steps, not thinking too far in the future, just get the hang of it, see if this is for you, is a big first step.
And I would also say that there's a lot of conceptions about it.
There are really really good cards that we recommend first that are more flexible, kind of like an UNA wild card, where you can use it for flights, hotels, car rentals, you could cash it out for money.
You're not locked into an.
Airline brand or a hotel brand, and those are the better cards to get at the beginning, so you're not going to get frustration getting locked into some points or miles that you can't end up using. And then the other part of it is just making sure you're smart about how much you actually do spend each month that you're going to hit that bonus, and then being able to use it when you get it.
When we get a new credit card, because Chuck and I have been doing this for a little while, we'll shift all of our spending to that one credit card until we hit the bonus. Like we put our monthly bills, we put everything on that one credit card until we hit the bonus, and then we may shift stuff around because we get a better deal. The part that you just mentioned, though, that I think is really important.
Is being able to use those miles.
I've been frustrated by American Express, which is surprising because I can't transfer my miles to where I need them to be. So how do you in the Travel Freely app address those specific issues? Do you go through each card in terms of what's easier to use, or who has more partners, or what alliance they're with or whatever it is to make sure that people can use the rewards in the way that they would normally use them.
Yes, for sure.
So we think of it as kind of dipping your toes in the water at the beginning, and we're going to try to hold your hand into learning these basics and then learning what programs might be best for you. MX is probably further down the list in terms of a beginner program.
It is kind of complicated.
They have a lot of high annual fees, and if you're not going to maximize that, it's kind of.
You know, you have to be intentional with those. I always make sure that I pay I get back my annual fee. That is my own personal line in the sand, So we use it for Uber, we use it for all the various things that we get bonuses on just to make sure we get back that annual fee. But it's been frustrating just getting it to where getting those points to where I need them to be.
Yeah, And so for Denver specifically, the Chase program called Ultimate Rewards, I found is much more friendly to the Denver Home Airport because it has very friendly travel portal where you can book very easily, basically kind of like
Expedia and use your points instead of money. But then you have transfer partners which a lot of people don't realize, you know, like one Chase point can equal one Southwest mile, one Chase point can equal one Higatt point, one Chase point can equal one United mile, and those three.
Are super valuable for Denver.
You can go stay in the Grand Hyatt Vale, you can go stay, take Southwest United out of here to a lot of different places. So that's the flexibility of that program. But also you can just use the Travel portal if you want to book a car, book a hotel anywhere, book a flight in the travel portal to do that.
And is all of this helpful information on travel freely?
Do you help people when they're ready to make, you know, do those awards and get back or book that travel.
Yes, so we kind of have a one to one free travel one on one that's a like ebook webinar. You know, however, you like to learn going about it as you're learning, getting your first card, earning your first bonus, celebrating that first bonus, then being ready to book and show you your options, kind of like what's beginner friendly, easiest to do if you're really nervous about doing it, what are.
The next steps?
And what's two to ozh one to be able to see what some of these partners are and then it's.
Never been a better time.
Like when I started, you have to just know the secrets of you know, how to book some really cool redemptions. But now there's a lot of tools out there that are basically kind of like Google flights for points of miles that allow you to just search and see what programs cost what to get get to your destination.
I don't want to get too much in the weeds about what you do on the app, because I want to ask some questions and I think a lot of people who don't do this want to know the answer to like somebody will ask, well.
How much how many points does a flight cost?
And that is a hugely variable question, right, depending on where you're going class that you want. I always use mine for business class, which is expensive, but you know what, not as expensive as buying a business class ticket.
Yeah, so business class international and five star hotels are probably the best, absolutely best like value for redeeming your points and miles. It does take you know, some searching to find the absolute best redemption, right, but you'd be.
Surprised what's out there. And so I totally agree with that.
If you can get across the ocean in business class, that kind of is a life changer for we do we do it on the leg.
That we're going to sleep on. We will do business class and then premium economy.
On the way back.
Okay, because you're going to be awake.
Right, it's not you don't have to be as you're you're probably not going to sleep on the way back, so it's easier that way. But what are what are some of the deals that you have gotten or that you have seen that are pretty remarkable.
Yeah, So, just with my last ten years or so, I think one of the coolest redemptions was a year and a half ago. My family and I my wife, three year old, and six year old. We went to Australia and New Zealand for nine months. My son missed the cutoff for kindergarten and we kind of made that an excuse for a gap year.
Went to Australia, New Zealand.
And the flight down there, just using the regular kind of basic search tools, we found the light flat business seat from Los Angeles. All four of us got to go in the middle, two rows, back to back, and we got that flight for seven hundred dollars worth of taxes and fees, and the retail price you booked it with cash was twenty eight thousand dollars.
Holy crap, Holy crap.
And see you just you just kind of answered a question that I had, and that is what if you have a family, so you can do this with your family as well?
Sure?
Yeah, so I would say a lot of people are able to do this with your family if you want to take advantage of the flights and use all your points and miles, you know yourself, that's one thing, but
there are a lot of families doing this. Literally, to get my one and a half year old at the time get her a seat as a lap infant with my wife or I would have cost seven to eight hundred dollars for the lap infant fee because it was ten percent based on the retail price, and so to get her her own seat was another seventy thousand points plus one hundred and eighty dollars, and so it was
cheaper for us to get her her own seat. And the pictures of it, of her and my son who was four and a half, like sitting in this huge seat with you know, pancakes and all sorts of stuff for business class was really cool. And it honestly was also very helpful to get that long of a trip with having sleep and arrive not completely wrecked for the next week or two.
I mentioned to you that we pay for a trip to Switzerland, but we did it over the holidays. Do not recommend if you want to maximize your miles, because like a normal airline flight, using miles over a holiday is they just jack them up so high. What are other times I went over Christmas? What are some other times that maybe you want to avoid or you're not going to be able to get the kind of deals that you want.
That's a good question, I think, regardless of when I think, one of the big factors is being able to be a little bit flexible. Right, so if you can go a couple of days earlier, a couple of days later and search for those sweet spots. Some people don't have that luxury, but that's a big, a big difference. That could cut the amount of points or miles needed in half. If you're able to be flexible, then another really really well. Two other big things are consider your flights as two
one ways instead of a round trip. Yeah, so you know United is not if you fly there and fly back United, there's nothing.
Special about while you're there.
You're part of United's family, right, come back on the round trip, and often like one way there on a certain airline is a really good deal, but not a good deal on the way back. So you can piece two different one ways back and forth. And then the other aspect to that would be think about what's called a positioning flight. So maybe Denver doesn't have the best direct flight somewhere, but maybe another airport does, like Houston, or in New York, or Philadelphia going east, or Los Angeles,
San Francisco. You know, we flew out of Los Angeles to go to Australia.
If you can take.
One smaller flight to get in position to that bigger airport that then has a really good deal, then that's another way to kind of maximize your points. And you literally if you do the searches from like LA to Australia versus Denver to Australia, sometimes it could be three or four times as much compared to just grabbing a very short Southwest, you know, cheap flight to get to La then take the big expensive Oh I.
Was telling you off the air Zach.
I have a friend who flew first class from Mexico City to Paris on Emirates Airline, which is the most luxurious airline out there apparently.
And she paid for a ticket to Mexico City which.
Was cheap on Frontier, and then flew round trip in first class for like twenty eight thousand points. Because she was flexible, she waited, she just kept an eye on it and grabbed it as soon as was available and made that her trip. And I just thought that's amazing. I mean, she's self employed, so that is part of it when you work for somebody else, and you got to set that vacation time up, how far in advance can you book with points.
It's a little bit tricky because each airline has their kind of quota of seats that are available, but they actually don't, you know, just open them up all at the same time.
So there's there's certain that's that's a helpful way to.
Follow blogs that kind of if you're tracking a certain flight or location, they'll know you know there's availability now you can check it. But in general, I would say, you know a lot of the international flights, I don't know the exact dates, but you know up to a year in advance for sure. And then sometimes if you're more flexible of a traveler, there are really really good deals just like a few days before, a few weeks before, but.
Not around Christmas. And I'm just like you, not around Christmas.
And it does fluctuate, And just because you know it's a few weeks or a couple of months before, it doesn't mean anything in terms of you know, missing out on deals, because even right now there are deals coming out for June getting to Europe that are you know, just becoming available, so that I think, you know, the airlines don't want to have people grab all the flights advance.
Then there that they can sell.
You can jump on Zach's app is travel Freely as in Travel for Free, Travel Freely, and on the app you allow people to upload their information and then give them an idea of how they're doing with their points in miles.
That's a that's one of the things you guys offer.
So the two main components of the app is one adding the cards you currently have if you have any cards kind of wallets as you will on the.
On the app.
And then we actually don't sync with banks or do any kind of like fancy tech API sinking because we found our users don't really like that and I don't
even want to that's a security for you guys. So we literally just ask people to add the name of the car that they have and when they opened it, and based on that information, we can auto populate the rest to help track like the sign up bonuses, do the annual fees, and so that will start helping keep track of those key dates for you that will pop up.
In the app, send you emails and alerts.
One of the most important things about that is that there are certain kind of decision points to be made and if you're at a blog post eight months ago on exactly what to do with this annual fee coming up?
And then it pops up.
Odds are you're not going to remember it, so we try to hold your hand in that so when we have the email notification, it ends up giving you the advice on here's to consider with this card, here's the benefits if you want to keep it, here's what to do if you want to change it to a no annual fee.
Card or cancel it.
And then on the other side, we use the cards that you have to understand what your next best offers are and the recommendation.
So we call that the card Genie and it has all the crazy.
Bank application rules in a quasi algorithm that will then show you what the cards you're eligible for, the best offers that are available, and we rank those according to the everyday busy person who's a beginner, So if there's a card that's really.
Low value, that's not going to be at the top of the list.
And we also rank the cards according to like the welcome bonus offer, right, and we always post the best offer, so those big corporate sites out there will push the offer that they're getting a pretty good commission for whereas some of those cards, we know there's a different link to use that could get you forty fifty sixty thousand more points in some instances, and we'll share those with you because we want to have that long term trust
and have you really get that extra spending for your travel.
Without his app, it's like playing the most disorganized game of checkers blindfolded with one eye you can only see.
It's like a game changer, saying.
Freely is the app?
Zach?
What is my guest? And we've already roped him in because.
Now it's time for the most exciting segment all the.
Radio of its guy in the world.
That day.
All right, what is our dad joke of the day? Now, Zach, you've already gone over what this segment.
Is all about because you agreed to it. Yes, all right, so Zach's ready for dad joke of the day.
What is it Apparently to start a zoo you need at least two pandas a grizzly and three polars.
It's the bare minimum. Thank you.
Anyway, today's word of the day.
Please.
It is a noun polaver v e r you do or do not?
I do not do you know what a polavor is. I feel like I should know it, but I don't.
Lever with a p on it.
There you go, an informal word that you refers to unimportant or meaningless talk.
This show is.
Basically collaborates for three hours. That's all it is, all right. Today's trivia question. What is a beaver's home called? I believe it's a damn, right, a beaver dam.
They only live in a damn. Oh no, it's called the lodge.
Beaver's buildings dome shape homes from stick's grass, moss and mutt.
They're quite the little builders there.
Okay, Zach Mandy. Now, Zach, if you get it right, you get a point. If you get it wrong, you lose a point.
So be careful. But you do not have to wait until the end. Just yell your name when you're ready to answer this.
Use he's never played. Okay, you are a travel guru. He is the travel genius.
Uh huh. Travel and tourism is the cabin.
Okay.
London's Transport Museum offers a tour of Charring Cross that afternoon. This at the Clermont with delicious scone.
Maybe what is t that is correct?
Okay, nice, with.
Some buildings about a century old. Prectorious cop rest camp has hosted many of this kind of trip.
With a name from Swahili.
I need that whole thing one more time quickly.
With some buildings about a century old.
Whatever this rest camp is called, has hosted many of this kind of trip with a name from Swahili.
I have no idea what it is.
A safari.
Oh dah, we're dumb, healing, thirsty.
After your one hour canal tour of Amsterdam, stop at this Europe's number one brewer for another tour and a beer man.
Oh, go ahead, Zach, I'll give it to you.
Correct in Spain, rent a car and follow the path of scenes in this novel, including the cave of Monsignones and the windmills of Conte.
Yeah, Zach, qiot, that is correct. Too long?
I did know that one.
If you're vacationing in Remini, Italy, it's a fifty ride on a shuttle bus into this country.
Mandy, what is Switzerland wrong?
Zach, say nothing, Get the dub because the answer is San Mariino.
Digg it, dig it anyway, Zach, thank you so much for coming in today.
I really appreciate it.
We will be back tomorrow. We have another three hour show tomorrow. I know what are we going to do with it all? You'll have to find out by listening. More on the firing of Michael Malone with KOA Sports coming up next