03-03-25 FULL SHOW - A Terrifying Prospect From Our Futurist Thomas Frey

No, I'm your host for the next three hours, Mandy Connell, and we've got Zach Feger in today for the vacationing Anthony Rodriguez.

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You had one shot, You had one shot. I was gonna let you do it. And then yeah, I'm not used to.

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It's got special walls and so oh oh yeah, okay, I got you, I got you.

Boy. Do we have a lot to talk about today.

Even more stuff happened over the weekend as the fallout from the disastrous meeting between Zelensky and Trump in the White House on Friday. And got some stuff on the blog that, honestly I feel like is mussy. One of them is a video, and we're gonna get to the whole blog in just a second. One of them is a video with Columbia professor Jeffrey Sachs, and he gave testimony to the European Union about the situation in Ukraine and Russia and the history back in twenty twenty two.

This is sort of his area of expertise.

I actually went back and checked to see how respected he was when it came to Eastern European politics, and this is kind of what he does. And he gave a history lesson that shows once again that American meddling is almost always worse than if we just let things happen.

And I say that with the you.

Know, sitting here in the luxury of never knowing the alternative, to be clear, but a lot of us meddling has kind of gotten us to where we are now. And that's a fascinating bit. And then I have an interview with CNN's caitlind Collins and Secretary of State Marc Rubo, and that's both of these are on the blog. And if you've never gone to the blog before, you should go today, if for no other reason than to watch these two videos, because they will give you.

A lot more background.

I also, over the weekend went back and watched the entire the Lensky presser, the entire thing start to finish, only this time I watched it, and I only watched the Lenski the entire time.

You guys, go back and do that, because you know, you.

See those memes where it's like, oh, you know, me trying to be subtle, and oh, here's my face giving it all away. Throughout the entire press conference, he is mugging at the cameras. Now, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love a good mug in a right situation. If you're on the Tonight Show and you're sitting on the couch and you mug to the cameras and do a

But it's made me more certain of a couple of things. And we're gonna get to that right after we do the blog.

Which you can find at mandy'sblog dot com. Look for the headline that says three three twenty five blog A terrifying prospect from our futurist Thomas Frye. Click on that and here are the headlines you will find within.

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I did something that I have not done in a very very long time.

I gave you my fashion review. Did you watch the Oscars last night, zach No?

I just read the results after the fact. I watched the monologue. Though I liked the monologue, I did not see the monologue. I missed that. But the Oscars were kind.

I don't want to say they were back baby, but last night's Oscars were interesting.

You didn't know who was gonna win, you know?

Was it like a done deal where you're going in everybody already knows who was gonna win everything.

No, wide open.

There was a good variety of movies that won for various.

Things, and only one.

Person went political, and it's Daryl Hannah, who I've always liked Daryl Hannah. But she does not have a whole bunch of a career right now, so I guess she was trying to shoot her shot. I don't know whatever you're gonna you know what you're gonna do? She read, you know whatever. But the glamor where it was back. The dresses were spectacular, the men looked good. It was it was very, very funny. It was fun to watch,

Woopi Goldberg looked like she was dressed by HEFTI you know, Emma Stone.

Whoever convinced Emmastone to wear a dress the exact same color as her skin with absolutely no shape whatsoever needs to be fired, just make it happen. Selena Gomez absolute bombshell last night. She looked incredible old Hollywood glamour, and a lot of people were commenting like, yeah, she was last week on the internet crying about illegal immigrants getting deported and she's wearing a necklace that costs more than

Movie was that?

A real pain?

A real pain? That's it? Thank you?

And in it.

I'll play it later in the show because it's just it's really it's sweet.

Is what it is.

And it's funny and it's engaging and now his wife has to pop out two more babies and I'll explain later on in the show because it was really, it was charming. It was it felt like the Oscars were back. And you know, I saw some of the movies this year. Did you see any Oscar movies this year?

A lot? I think I actually recommended Anora the last time. I said, yes, you did, you did say Anora was gonna do.

I still haven't seen it because I'm not paying twenty bucks for it, because that's how I roll like it'll be on free streaming when I you know, the streaming that I already pay for that I'm not going to pay for, you know again, to see it.

I'll just wait.

It'll be fine, it'll be fine. It was just it was really really nice. Now I've got a couple of guests coming up on the show. I want to ask this question for our texters. You can text five to sixty.

Six nine zero.

That's five sixty six nine Oh. You can go ahead and text the answer to this question what disaster would create the most havoc in the United States of America? What disaster do you think that would be? And you can text the answer to five sixty six nine oh.

Because our future is Thomas.

Right.

You guys know I love Thomas. He sends me an email. In the email let me, I'll just read it to you guys.

So you just I'm just gonna read it to you real quick, here, real real quick.

Oh swat, Why don't I spell his name right when I search my email? That would probably be extremely helpful.

Okay, here we go.

So Thomas sends me this email that says, Hey, Mandy, my latest column is a story about what I see as America's greatest vulnerability, and I was like, well, that sounds ominous. Wait till you read the story.

Holy crap, you guys, Holy crap.

But I would have never thought about this as being one of the biggest threats to our entire nation. And yet when he lays it out, uh huh. I didn't sleep last night. I was like, Oh my god, Oh my god, how are we gonna prevent this? How are we gonna It's like a Tom Clancy novel.

Do you read Tom Clancy? Do you read Zach? Are you a reader? A reader?

Not Tom Clancy?

Wait about how old are you? How old are you? Twenty five? Right?

Okay, So I believe that when you turn twenty six as a male, you have to.

Start reading Tom Clancy novels.

I think that that's like in the Code, maybe thirty, it might be thirty. You may have a few more years before you have to read twelve pages of.

Weapons systems in a Tom Clancy book.

But every guy I know went through the Tom Clancy phase right where you just have to read. But they're incredibly good, so it's not like you're gonna have to suffer through. But his plot lines and devices are very very you know, very clever, and very scary. And that's how I feel about Thomas the story. We're gonna talk about it one o'clock today. Terrifying and if you want to text me what age men are required to start reading?

No.

I mean, but an EMP would be a localized outage and it would be catastrophic.

It would be terrible, but it is not remotely as.

Catastrophic as the scenario that Thomas lays out that, by the way, wouldn't be that hard to make happen. That doesn't sound a year younger than seventies, Zach. I think someone took a shot.

That's how I mean. I think that that would take a shot.

Yeah, power outage, loss of electricity, solar flare biggest disaster for the USA and all out nuclear Yeah, that would be terrible. But I mean, when you guys hear it one what Thomas is laid out, or you can go read the story yourself because I linked it on the blog today. Oh greatest threat says this text no more cars for kids commercials? Really, because that is a threat I am willing to live with. I mean, if we if that on a threat, I mean, is that a promise?

Is it really true? This text?

Or asked that there was an amendment proposed for the US president to be elected up to three terms. They're so this crazy and it's getting out of me out of here. What that didn't make any sense. Donald Trump is going to ruin this world and I do not like working I've been Trump is bowling and some of the stuff he's doing right now, it's just not okay. You know, it's not okay your grammar texture. I'm just gonna say it. This text is a mess. But I

And I'm sure I don't even have to look.

I'm sure that somewhere there's an idiot who has already done that in order to suck up to the Trump administration, possibly, you know.

Try and get some kind of appointment to something.

Oh yeah, there's always a rube out there willing to do the dumb ass stuff. But I'm here to tell you right now, I would not vote for that. I would not because guess what, at some point the other team is gonna be in charge again. You gotta always remember that. And anytime we go monkey around with the stuff that's been working pretty good right about now. We don't need less term limits. We need more term limits. Now we need to do Congress. Mandy started in the mid twenties while in the army.

So Jack gets your time.

So he says, have Zach start with Red Storm Rising before the Jack Ryan series. So you get the rights that you've got bidden given your assignment, you've got your walking paper.

Added it to my list.

It's time to step into your Tom Clancy phase. Okay, you're gonna be a lot smarter about weapons systems by the time you get done.

Try and trust me on that.

We also have a guest today, and you know, I realize that you guys don't all live in Douglas County, and I want to make an offer. If you guys, in wherever you are, whether it is your town, whether it is your city commission, whatever level of government, is doing dumbass shady stuff, if you send it to me, I will amplify it on this program because I enjoy amplifying the dumb, idiotic, shady stuff that the Douglas County Board of County Commissioners is generally up to. I live

Jen Schumann has been following.

The latest bit of nonsense about a board of county commissioners that is just ignoring people when they're saying please don't do that, while not providing any evidence that.

There is anyone saying please do do this.

And with this group, I wonder who's getting rich and how that's honestly how I feel at this point. I don't know anything about the new guy. I'll see how he votes, but I've been told he's just a rubber stamp.

So there you go. Mandy. It's been.

Three thousand, three hundred and thirty one days since inauguration Day twenty sixteen, and my greatest fear is Trump is going to destroy the world as soon.

As he's elected. Okay, that's actually.

Very funny, very funny, because yeah, democracy still here, Zach. Have you gotten your notice that all elections have been canceled going forward?

No, I haven't gotten.

Nice dang it, we're like five weeks in.

I thought he would have destroyed that part of democracy right away, you know, he was like, that should be number one. I mean, I still have a job, so my key card work today when I got here, so I haven't been fired and forced back into the kitchen.

Although that would be nice, you know, be nice to not have to pay attention to this anymore.

Anyway, Mandy, take a look at the town of Dylan, Colorado. Hot mess is a massive understatement. Me an email tip Mandy Connell at iHeartMedia dot com.

Give me a news story to.

Look into, give me a person to call, give me something and I will.

Mandy.

I'm still mad we don't have answers about the shady stuff that Colorado Springs mayor did.

Uh wait, where did it go?

Sorry?

Just updated Colorado Springs mayor was involved in that story disappeared?

Yes it did. And you know, I like Mayor, Yemmy.

I like the fact that he seems to have a very pragmatic stance. But now we find out he may have colluded, and he says absolutely he.

Did not what long phone calls.

Text messages, et cetera, et cetera. It doesn't look that good.

He said.

At some point he would release a letter saying that the FBI named him a victim, not a perpetrator. But I don't believe that was ever released. So I'm with you, Texter. You got any news, I'm telling you, you just send it, Mandy. You just said do do. Thank you, Texter, Thank you, Mandy. Illinois Farmore Hill here in Illinois County A joining the Mississippi River below Saint Louis. We are above the three hundred foot bluff. Oh I can't. I'm not giving that up yet, Texter text back at three pm.

But you're right, You're right. I'm just saying, Mandy.

Trump is definitely running things like this is his last term, which it is, but he doesn't give a leap and I love it. I'm telling you, guys, I think that he had the like four years to just plan and not plan revenge, not plan, you know, although revenge may be a part of the bigger issue of what he's doing.

I think he had a long time to plan on a lot.

This is what we're seeing right now, I feel like, is the first set of plays in any football game. It has already been mapped out. Right we're not even to the first drive and to the first drive right now, all of these plays have been mapped out. We haven't got to the part we're flying by the seat of our pants yet. We're not in that part of the game. We're in the very beginning of the first quarter, first

Just trying to get a deal done.

And I've got audio from Secretary of State Marco Rubio on with Caitlin Collins that is simply outstanding when it comes to explaining exactly why Friday went down the way it went down, And you can see the frustration on Marco Rubio's face when he talks about it. If I have time, I'm going to play that interview in the next segment because I think it's valuable and you guys need to hear it, and nobody watches CNN anymore, so I have to make sure.

People see it. Anyway, we'll be right back, guys.

We're gonna jump right into this because I have a lot of audio that I want to play. I'm just going to start at the beginning of the interview that Secretary of State Marco Rubio did with CNN's Caitlin Collins, and she jumps right in at the very beginning with the question that we all want to know the answer to, and is that is do you owe President Trump an apology? Now this was had enough time a little separation here

Over Mark Rubio's face.

Now I'm not best friends with Marco Rubio, but I've known him since before he was a senator. I helped him actually get through his primary in Florida and helped raise indirectly a cropload of money for him in Southwest Florida when he was running for the US Senate against the worst man for Charlie Christ. And he's a very good politician. And I see that in the sense that politicians smallp that he's.

Good at hiding the way he feels.

He's good at, you know, maintaining a proper level of decorum. That if you watch this interview when I embedded it on the blog today so you can, you will quickly understand that he's he was fed up.

But listen to how this starts.

Thoris tonight is the Secretary of State who is in that room today, Marco Rubio. Thank you so much, Secretary of Rubio for being here. We just heard from from President Zelenski. He said he does not think that he owes President Trump an apology for what happened inside the Oval office today.

Do you feel otherwise?

I do.

I do, because you guys don't see. You guys only saw the end. You saw what happened today. You don't see all the things that led up to this. So let me explain. The President's been very clear he campaigned on this. He thinks this wor should have never started. He believes, and I agree that had he been president.

And never would have happened. Now here we are. He's trying to bring an end to the conflict.

We've explained very clearly what our plan is here, which is we want to get the Russians to a negotiating table. We want to explore whether peace is possible. They understand this. They also understand that this agreement that was supposed to be signed today was supposed to be an agreement that binds America economically to Ukraine, which to me, as I've explained and I think the President alluded to today, is a security guarantee in its own way, because we're involved, it's

But they insisted on coming to d C.

This agreement could have been signed five days ago, but they insisted on.

Coming to Washington. And it was a very and should have been a very clear understanding.

Don't come here and create a such scenario where you're going to start lecturing us about how diplomacy isn't going to work as President Zelenski took it in that direction and it ended in a predictable outcome as a result. It's unfortunate that wasn't supposed to be this way, but that's the half he chose.

And I think, frankly, you.

Know, the country backwards in regards to achieving peace, which is what President Trump.

Wants at the end of the day, is for this war to end.

If he's been as consistent as anyone can be about what his objective is here.

Now, I want to just walk that back for just a little bit because the notion that somehow, and I said what I said on Friday was I honestly believe jd Vance would not have gone after Zolensky without having tacit approval from Trump, right, I don't think he would have done that. I don't think anybody thought it was going to escalate the way that it did.

Well, what Mark Rubio.

Is saying here is that, look, we have been trying to explain to the Ukrainians that the security there is an implicit security guarantee if we say, okay, now we are doing business with you.

And they're right. I mean, the reality is.

Is this this would put US in a situation where we would have to go to war for rare earths, not oil. Remember everybody said we went into a rack because of oil, right, that was the war for oil. If we entered into a business relationship on rare earth minerals in Ukraine and Russia rolled in and interrupted our business, then we're going to war for essentially rare earth minerals.

Ukraine is just fighting a proxy.

War with Russia for US that we're not involved in directly. So I'll let them continue. Kitlin Collins has another question, well.

What specifically do you want to see President Zelenski apologize for now?

First of all, this is a stupid follow up question.

This is a stupid follow.

Up question designed to gin up more controversy. He already said, look, I think he should apologize, and that Caitlyn Collins won't just let it go. She has to ask what I think again is a as a dumb follow up question, and I'll let Marco Rubio answering well.

Apologize for turning this thing into the fiasco for him that it became there was no need for him to go in there and become antagonistic.

Look, this thing went off the rails.

You were there.

I believe it went off the rails when he said, let me ask you a question, to the Vice president, what kind of diplomacy are you talking about?

Well, this is a serious thing.

I mean thousands of people have been killed, thousands, and he talks about all these horrible things that have happened to prisoners of war and children, all true, all bad. This is what we're dealing with here. It needs to come to an end. We are trying to bring it to an end. The way you bring it to an end is you get Russia to the table to talk.

And he understands that attacking Putin.

No matter how anyone may feel about him, personally forcing the president into a position where you're trying to got him into attacking Putin, calling him names, maximalist demands about Russia having to pay for the reconstruction, all the sorts of things that you talk about in the negotiation, Well, when you start talking about that aggressively, and the president's a deal maker, he's made deals his entire life, you're not going to people to the table, and so you

With them leading up to today.

And I think I can apologize for wasting our time for a meeting that was going to end the way it did.

So let's just talk about this for a second, because over the weekend a few things happened. First of all, Zelensky went to Europe, where he was welcome with open arms, and Europe just could not wait to tell him how they were going to support him, and this was going to be amazing and they may even send boots on the ground if the United States issues a security guarantee to back them up. You know, Europe can't even issue their own security guarantees without US behind them.

This is how ill prepared Europe.

Is to defend themselves. This has long been a bone of contention for me, and it's coming to a head right now between Trump pushing on NATO spending and now you've got you know, Europe essentially wanting to outsource or in the worst case scenario, Europe is advocating to fund both sides of this war because German business.

I have this story on the blog today.

German business is now asking to be able to buy more Russian oil and gas because Germany is shutting down their successful nuclear power plants. Has created an energy crisis in Germany that is destroying German industry. So they need access to cheap power and they need it now. So they're essentially the EU spent more buying oil.

And gas from Russia last.

Year than they gave an aid to Ukraine. Does that not make sense? I mean, really, honestly, make that make sense to me? And nobody none.

Of these people.

Look I watched the coverage on BBC, I read about it in European newspapers.

Everybody saying will.

Stand with Ukraine, but nobody says until they win. And here's what that looks like. Not one single person is saying, well.

What does victory look like?

Here?

Is it just pushing Russia back to the boundaries that they were in before. They're never going to get back Crimea, that's that ship sailed during the Obama administration.

I'll play the rest of this when we get back.

But man, lots and lots of interesting stuff about this, and I just have I have a video of President Trump from I don't know if it was Friday or Saturday. I think Friday afternoon where you can look at him and he's like, yeah, Okay, he can come back when he's ready, but I'm he's I'm kind of done, and that is not good for Ukraine.

What's going to be fascinating?

Oh, the other thing that happened this weekend, to Marco Rubio's point about Zelenski not wanting peace, he said over the weekend that the end of the war was a very, very very far away, and I was like, what, you're asking everyone else to pay for it, but you're gonna call the shots on when it gets over. That's not how it works, at least not this time, at least not in the US. Maybing so Kira for the indefinite future, I don't know. Fascinating, fascinating world events.

Just fascinating.

We'll get back to this interview right after this, to this interview between Caitlin Collins and Secretary of starring Mark or Rubio. But he's shedding more light on the events that occurred before the White House meltdown of President Zelensky. And I'm calling it a meltdown because I went back and I rewatched the entire thing, and I just watched President Zelensky during the press conference. And if you do the same, you will begin to see why patience was thin.

He's making faces.

At one point, Trump says something like, oh, where this trusted partner, and he gives that looks as like, well, maybe, I.

Mean not even subtle, really egregious.

I think he came in to try and embarrass the White House into giving him what he wanted, which was a full throated commitment that the United States of America was on the Ukraine side. And Donald Trump is trying to get people to the table. Caitlin Collins continues.

You yourself have said previously that Putin cannot be trusted in negotiations, and that was the point that President Zelunsky was ultimately making during that conversation, is that there cannot be an agreement without security guarantees. Because he was talking about all the ceasefire agreements before, or agreements that.

Putin has just blown past.

I mean, do you still feel that way that Putin cannot be trusted in these negotiations?

Well, I was there yesterday when the President sat in front of the media that our approach is going to be trust would verify Donald Trump is President Trump's made deals his entire life. He's not going to get suckered into some deal that's not a real deal.

We all understand this.

We understand it on our end for certain, and so the goal here is to get to a place.

We have to explore whether peace is possible. I've said this repeatedly.

I don't know.

I think it is based on what they've said so far, but we have to explore that.

How else is this war going to end? I ask people what is the European plan to end this war?

I can tell you what one for a minister told me, and I'm not going to say who it was, but I can tell you what one of them told me, and that is that the war goes on for another year, and at that point Russia will feel so weakened that they'll beg for a piece. That's another year of killing, another year of dying, another year of destruction, and by the way, not a very realistic plan in my point of view. So if there's a chance of peace, even if it's a one percent chance, that needs to be explored.

And that's what President Trump is trying to do here.

So he's not wrong, first of all.

And I keep asking people like, what exactly what does victory look like? How do you see Ukraine winning this war. They're not going to beat Russia. They're not going to storm to Moscow and end up, you know, flying their flag over the Kremlin. That's never going to happen. A negotiated piece is the only way I find that fascinating. And I believe Secretary of State Marko Rubio and he says, look, other world leaders are like, let him grind it out.

I'll let him finish up the interview.

President Trump said just when he was leaving the White House after that meeting that he doesn't think President Zelensky wants peace. But isn't that why the Ukrainian leader was in the Oval Office for that meeting today?

Well, he was in the.

Oval Office to sign a minerals rights deal. That's what he was in the Oval Office to sign today. But again, when you have comments that deliberately appear to be deliberately, I mean, after having discussed this repeatedly, deliberately appear to be geared towards making.

The argument that peace is not possible.

You know, again, I turned to the he turns to the vice president. What kind of diplomacy here are you talking about? Almost as if to say, these people, you can't deal with them, can't you can't have any negotiations with Putin because he can't be trusted and you're just wasting your time on negotiations. Well, he's directly basically undermining everything the President has told him he's trying to do.

Look, there's no need for that.

You start to suspect, does he really want an end of this war? Does he just think that, you know, we have to do whatever he says and give him anything he wants without any endgame. That was the Biden strategy. That was the Biden strategy. We were funding a stalemate. We're funding a meat grinder, and unfortunately for the Ukrainians, the Russians have more meat to grind, and they don't care about human life.

We've seen it human waves and North Koreans, et cetera. And so this is a very complex thing.

It's very delicate, it's very costly, it's very bloody.

It needs to be brought to an end.

But it isn't going to be brought to an end with public pronouncements and maximalism demands in the public. But in real diplomacy, the Vice President was right.

All right, you guys, there's a little bit more.

You can watch the whole thing on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com. But you begin to understand that, you know, Zelensky was there on Friday for a very specific purpose, and that was to sign.

The rere men World's deal.

And the rere Minerals deal gives the United States a vested interest in the country of Ukraine, therefore implicit security guarantees. What Zelensky is looking for is American air power. That's what he wants. He wants American airpower. And instead of coming and signing the deal and then going behind closed doors and negotiating for American air power, he decided to air his grievances and his dirty laundry in public and it just did not go well for him at all

All the time.

Although it's fascinating, the machinations of this are absolutely fascinating. They're incredibly important as well. But I've got something even more terrifying coming up on the other side. At one o'clock, our futurist Thomas Fry has come up with a story that lays out what would almost assuredly be the worst disaster in the history of the United States that would permanently alter the country. And when you hear it, you're not going to sleep tonight. I didn't sleep last night.

Here's Thomas. He's coming up next well for blah blah.

Welcome in the second hour of the show. I'm your host, Mandy Colin here until three pm. Zach figures in for Anthony Rodriguez, and as we do once a month, we bring one of my favorite guests on. He is our futurist, Thomas Fry. All he does is think about the future, and normally he comes on, we talk about cool stuff that's going to be happening in education or with medicine.

Or technology or some like, and.

By the time I leave, I'll like excited for the future. And this weekend Thomas sends me an article and he's like, hey, you ever thought about the whole bunch of different creative ways we could all die and destroy the country. No, I had not, Thomas, thanks a lot. But now he's on to talk about a story. We'll call it a not a prediction. It's not like your nostra damas, Thomas, but you have it. It's called the Canyon Fairy Disaster.

Right, right, This is all about the Canyon Ferry Dam up in western Montana, which has the potential. See the Missouri Mississippi river system in the US is the second longest river system in the world other than the Nile and if something happened to this river system, it could literally cut our country in half.

And that's.

I grew up in South Dakota, and I grew up on close to the river, and I spent my childhood driving around fields with a John Deer tractor thinking about things like this, And so that's where this came from.

Well, in a lot of people don't realize there's a lot of cities and towns that have been built along the river beds because it's very fertile land. You have farming communities there, but lots of cities have come up around the rivers across the country because of shipping lanes and stuff like that.

So tell people about.

The Canyon Faerry disaster or potential in your estimation. Let's start with let's just set the tail right now. It's May of some future year. We're at the end of the snow melt things. There's I mean, we're at the beginning of the snow melt. Things are starting to move along. And what do you think is going to happen or could happen.

Yeah, the way I tell the story is that this is a potential disaster. That the dams have all filled up along the Missouri River and also on the Mississippi, and terrorists decide to actually plant bombs in the Canyon Ferry Dam, which is in a very remote area of Montana,

But then it picks up speed as it.

Goes and it picks up more water because there's water already in the river and so that it has this cumulative effect, and so this turns into this giant wall of water cutting through all the way through Montana.

And then the first major dam that.

It would wipe out would be the Fort Peck Dam in Montana, and then it would go on to the Garrison Reservoir in North Dakota, and then wipe out the Owahee Reservoir in South Dakota. And there's a series of small hydroelectric dams along the way that it would also

And the thing that got me because how much water are we talking about here? I mean, like, are we talking a billions of gallons of water that would be gathered up as it hit each reservoir in each dam.

Yeah, eventually we'll drain out through the Mississippi River, but it's a long drawn out process, and it just destroys so many houses and so many bridges and so many communities along the way. And the fact that country is cut in half, it just separates cities in half. So there's no way of driving back and forth. We can't truck anything back and forth.

The only way we process to start flying.

And so when you when you think about that, all the bridges are gone, and so then we'd have to suddenly start figuring out, well, how do we build a bridge across this thing? And these are wide bodies of water. These rivers are huge, and.

They'd be what twenty four times as wide if this happened, they'd be even wider the Mississippi, And some place is like a mile wide, isn't it.

It's even wider than that a lot of places. It gets to be quite quite a huge body of water. So then we would essentially have to start over. But the key question is is can this be prevented? And is there some stoftgap measures that can be implemented that would make.

It so that this couldn't happen, Like what well. As an example, you're probably aware.

Of the runaway truck ramps that semi issues on the interstate. If they get out of control, they just go up these runaway truck ramps. Well, the same thing could be done with the rivers, and that they could actually be split.

And so that half of the river.

Would go off into this other area of fields and things.

So that would actually reduce the water going down the river.

So you would just have a essentially a fake island periodically down these rivers. Would it just be every miles or how many miles where you would just have what a big concrete barrier that would redirect water if it came far enough out of the banks.

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how this would be designed, but a lot of times the river goes around corner. So if going around the corner you just make one route goes straight and the other routes continues down the normal path, that that could actually drain off a huge amount of water just allowing it to go off straight.

And I'm not sure.

I'm not a water engineer, I don't know how to design things like this, but it would it's logical that that would be a good option.

The problem is is that water always finds its way back to the lowest point. You know that is I lived in a cabin in Florida where we had floods on a regular basis that came. Our house was on fifteen feet stilts, and I got very very good at understanding flood.

Patterns because regardless of where.

You redirect that water, as soon as it can, it's going to rejoin that river just from the natural topography. So I think you would have to maybe have a sort of a false reservoir prepared almost where you earth and dams that And I'm just wondering environmentalists would never let that happen.

We're so screwing Thomas. Why did you tell me this? Why do I know this?

Now?

I got a lot of questions.

I got a lot of questions from our text line, and some of them are very very good.

If Damn number one is blown.

Wouldn't you drain all the reservoirs below it in anticipation of the water from Damn number one? So it wouldn't be a cumulative effect, but a big slug of water coming down.

Absolutely, you drain all the water out and it's still won't hold it though.

Because it's coming down so fast.

Yeah, it's coming down so fast, and this is cumulative effect. You can't you can't drain an entire reservoir like that just in a single day, right, And it reaches the first dam in four Peck, Montana in less than a day. And uh, and that's a huge body of water.

Are there?

Well, I want to we haven't even touched on what happens after all these dams blow. But I have a couple of questions. These two kind of go hand in hand. Mandy Illinois farm boy Again, isn't he worried about giving terrorists another scenario to consider? And I'm going to add it with this question, Mandy, has there ever been captured information from terrorists which you have constructed such a plan that from dating?

Yeah? Great question.

I've been told that anything that I can think of, the.

Terrorists have already thought of.

This is just one example, probably one of the worst examples that could be somebody can implement. But there's also dams in the Ukraine, there's dams in California.

Literally all over the world, we've.

Built dams and similar situations like this could happen, and virtually any of them. So I really think that we need to create systems where this can't happen, to fortify the dams, to create monitoring systems so that nothing can go wrong.

And I'm not sure what the.

Right solution is, but I'm in favor of making people aware that this is a possibility and actually coming up with the right plan so that can happen.

So, first of all, someone says Thomas Fryes diabolical. Yes he is a crafty man. But let me talk about what happens after. Okay, let's just assume this has happened. Now we've already sort of covered a little bit, although I don't think people would understand the scale of the destruction, meaning the floodwaters would take out thousands of hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses and destroy a huge swath

Yeah, it's it's a massive recovery effort. Well, the first thing is to make sure everybody's evacuated. The tricky part will be the small towns real close to where the Canyon Ferry dam is, so so those people will have very little notice. The other ones might have a day or several days notice, and so their evacuation time stretches

But then they can they can everybody gets out of the way.

So the depth count I think would be relatively low, but the overall destruction amount is relatively high.

But now after the event, you've now you don't have fresh water for hundreds of thousands of people, because you've there's nothing worse than being in a flood and not having water, which sounds counterintuitive, but I've had this happen to me.

Where you don't have any water to drink.

You got water everywhere, but you don't have any water to drink, So that becomes a humanitarian crisis of massive proportions instantly in terms of people having access to water that will not kill.

Them right right, They'll have to be a massive effort undertaken to just truck water into all these communities around the river.

And also there's some filtration.

Systems that will work where they can just take the river water and filter it in a way that it's actually clean enough to drink. So having things like that ready to go will be real important. And then it's a matter of getting food and transportation because a lot of people will lose their cars and their transportation along the way, and families can get cut in half as well, so half are on one side of the river and

Well, this to me, and I've always thought an EMP is the most terrifying possibility. I think EMPs are really from a strategic standpoint, But my goodness, it would be far easier to pull this off than it would to try and get an EMP to blow up at the right place to take out our electricity grids. So thanks Thomas for the stuff that nightmares are made of. This is I guess it's yet another thing. I do feel like our electrical grid in this country is very very fragile.

Because we all take all of this stuff for granted.

Right in my lifetime, I have never had to worry about not being able to get fresh water ever. I mean maybe on a temporary basis when I'm flooded, but I've never been able.

I've never had to worry.

About not having power for you know, a year. But the reality is is these are the kind of things that we have to worry about and plan for because if I'm a bad actor, those are the things I'm going after because they create the biggest amount of havoc and long term damage in the shortest amount of time.

Yeah, I was stranded in Hurricane Helene and we were without power for eleven days, which just seemed like an interminable amount of time. And then getting gasoline to put into a generator, you had to wait in line for two to three hours at gas stations to get the gasoline. Now, that'll be small potatoes compared to what happens on a disaster like this, because people will try to buy generators

Up in the power area again. So yeah, the number.

Of issues that you have to deal with suddenly becomes just staggering.

This is honestly the most terrifying scenario I can possibly think of. So thanks a lot, Thomas, because I already often don't sleep well because of my MP fear, and now we know we have a text who said, Thomas or how is this compared to the Teton River dam failure in the mid seventies.

I don't know about that one.

Yeah, I'm not familiar with that one.

But that one didn't go all the way through, at least to my knowledge, it didn't affect any other dams. But there's a lot of dams that could blow out and actually wipe out a huge community.

And it can be on the East coast and west coast, to be up.

In Canada, can Men, in South America, in Asia.

This is this is just one example.

It's probably one of the more staggering examples, but it's one that I'm familiar with, so that's why I wrote about it.

Well, you did a good job. The story is terrifying.

It sounds like a Tom Clancy novel, but it's it's something we just we have to think.

About this stuff. And here's the thing.

This is not an exciting thing to think about. What do we do if a bland a dam blows up?

But it could be so destructive.

Just look at what they're dealing with in North Carolina with a minor flood in compared to this, right, I mean they can't even get back on.

Their feet now.

So if you think the government is overwhelmed now by those kind of disasters, they would be absolutely put under by something like this.

So thanks for that, Thomas. Good to talk to you, my friend.

Try and find something positive, upbeat and awesome to talk about next.

Week if you are next month, if we could.

Okay, we'll do all right.

That's Thomas Fire. Everybody.

You can find him at futurest Speaker dot com if you'd like to find out more information. All right, So, yeah, I didn't know you needed that in your life, did you. When we get back, I have I have so much stuff on the blog that's related to the Trump Zelenski blow up that I have to talk about.

It again even though I wasn't. But when we get back.

From this segment, I want to talk about a couple things local.

Remember when I talked about the zoo.

And I steam plant and debacle That's what I'm gonna call it, because it's already it's already headed to debacle territory and lots of people jumping in to race for various offices.

We'll talk about some of that stuff right after this.

Top of the hour, But I got a lot of stuff that's local that I find really interesting. Here's something, two thousand four cars soldiers are headed down to the southern border, and that's kind of a big deal. So it's a deployment. At least it's not a deployment to some you know, horrible war zone overseas. It's still a deployment, and I'm wondering what that looks like, what exactly is going to happen. But that is going to be happening here quite quickly. So that is on the blog as well.

It's on there. You're welcome now. The other day I was talking about.

The Zunai steam plant, and I have started already calling this the Zunai steam plant debacle.

Because I saw the writing on the wall.

So here's the story about the big abandoned steam plant. Back one hundred years ago, a lot of buildings in downtown Denver were heated using steam. This is a lot of older big cities have this as some like in New York, there's still some buildings seated by team. So they retired the plant a long long time ago, but it's just been sitting there empty and Excel wants to build a substation there.

But of course the neighbors around you, we're like.

It's historical, we have to save it. So Xcel said to Denver, you guys have the right of first refusal if you want to buy it. It's like seven and a half million dollars, even though it's been appraised at one point five million dollars. But here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. The kicker is that there has to be a bunch of remediation done, meaning it is an environmental

Said, yeah, we're not doing it. We're not doing it.

The power plant is listed at seven point five million dollars, but Xcel has said, we're.

Only going to list it for thirty days. Right now.

Average time on market is over forty days in the Denver metro and that's not for really unique process or projects that need excessive environmental mitigation before they can even be made into something that people could use. So needless to say, I do not expect anyone to buy this plant, because even the City of Denver said, you know what, it's just going to be too much to mitigate it.

It's going to be too much.

So here's what I believe is going to be the next step in the great Zooni steam Plant and debacle, and that will be that in thirty days they'll pull the listing and XL will put up a notice that they are going to level the historic zoone steam plant to make a substation, which is what they wanted to do a few years ago, but they had to go through all the motions first. And I have an article

But too often they.

Are standing on the sidelines trying to dictate to other people what they can and can't do with their own private property. And that's when they start to irritate me. This thing has been sitting there I don't even know how long, for how many and what decades now, so there's been plenty of time. It stopped operating in twenty fifteen. There has been ten years, a decade for preservationists to get together and start to put some money behind their mouths.

You know.

The problem is is that nobody wants to spend the money, and nobody wants to go out and raise the money.

And I get it. It sucks. I hate raising money. I do it for things that I'm passionate about, but I don't enjoy it.

Nobody does. That's a lie if people say they enjoy it. And this is going to go down and there's going to be lawsuits filed from community members who don't want a substation, and this is the beginning of what I anticipate made to be a five year process to get to the point where Excel will tear this thing down and build a substation, which is what they wanted to do the whole time, as evidenced by the fact that they put a building.

That is appraised at one point five.

Million dollars or one point nine appraised value one point nine million dollars, and yet it's on the market for seven point five million dollars. When we first moved here, when I got the job at K How the Morning Show.

At k How.

We had two months in temporary housing provided by Ihearts, So in two months we had to buy a house. And we on the first day that we were all in town together, we looked at ten houses.

Ten ten. If you've ever shop for houses, you know that's a ridiculous number of houses in one day.

But we found a property that we both liked in a neighborhood we both liked, and we made an offer that my wheeltor said, this a fair offer, and the sellers came back with a full asking price that was their negotiation, and.

We were like, nope. My realtor said, what do you want to do?

I said, they don't want to sell their house to me, because if they had wanted to sell their house to me, they would have come back with a reasonable counter then we could have worked from But they don't because they came back with the full asking price, which is not reasonable.

In my mind, you.

Don't want to sell me your house. So we moved on about a different house. This is exactly what's going to happen here.

You know, they don't.

Want to sell this thing for that price when all this work has to be done to just make it habitable again, millions and millions of dollars just to mitigate the environmental stuff.

I'm sure so yeah that the zoo and I I just.

Want to make sure that you guys give me credit when this thing goes for X amount of years. I'm guessing five, could be longer, could be shorter, who knows, but we will end up with a substation unless some miracle investor swoops in in the next twenty eight days to buy this thing for a well over what it's worth. That's on the blog today a couple of announcements. We have two Republicans who have announced for governor.

One of them is our Senator Mark.

Baisley of Roxboro Park, very conservative dude. Second one is Representative Scott Bottoms of Colorado Springs. He is way more conservative, and I don't know if a super conservative Republican is electable in a statewide election. I wish I had thought otherwise, but I just don't in Colorado, I really don't.

Now.

I'm aware of Mark Baisley because he is actually really pushed some legislation that I really like. I like where his heart is. He's, you know, trying to create this in this uphill situation. He's still trying to get things done. I'm not familiar with Representative Scott Bottoms, so I can't really I don't have a strong opinion on.

Either of these dudes.

But the governor's race isn't until twenty twenty six, so we have plenty of time to sort this stuff out. I'm not going to be having candidates on for the foreseeable future unless there is something newsworthy at that moment in their campaigns.

Because I'm as sick of it as you are.

You guys, we just got done like ten minutes ago with the last election, and we're already talking about the next election.

And I'm frankly a little bit.

Salty about that, not super happy about that situation.

But I figured i'd let you know.

Another Republican has jumped into the Colorado chairman's race, and Lori Saine is a Weld County Republican. She is very, very maga and very very conservative. I actually I have no beef with Lori saying I have no beef with any of these people. I just think that the Colorado Republican Party needs a pivot to go back to the big tent, the welcome party because the worst things get

That we didn't need to have.

You can read about Lori Sayan and of course Darcy Skodig and Britta Horn they're all running.

It's going to be very interesting to see.

This edition of Lori Sayin may create a problem for Darcy because they are more similar than they are to Brita, So maybe Brita will have an opening there.

I don't know.

Of course, we'll following all that stuff because it matters, even if we don't want it to. So that stuff is on the blog today. I'm scrolling through my oscar stuff. When we get back, I want to talk about a Facebook scam that really has me urging people to use two factor ID on your social media accounts. I will explain after this, and boy, you want to hear this

Of course, there is.

A chance of human error, but this as an inherent part of Damn design. Is this a concern, Yes, but hope this lets you sleep a little easier. Yes, And thank you Damn engineer for sending that email.

Just to make me feel a little bit better.

I want to tell a story that just happened to one of the finest people that I know in my life. She was my sorority big sister in the hot minute that I was in a sorority, and she is a wonderful human being who sponsors, you know, youth Christian programs in high schools all over the area where she lives. She lives in a big city in the South. She is constantly doing wonderful things for other people. And there was a big listing on her Facebook page last week

So we could, you know, get him into this assisted living.

And there's so much stuff, and I'm going to be out of town until the twenty but here's the list. If you want something, you can just send me a deposit and I'll hold it till I get back. So I'm looking at this is this is something she would do. By the way, it would be completely in her character to assist her.

Uncle in, you know, helping him move into.

An assistant That would be one hundred percent in her character to do this. Then I start looking at the listings, and when I got to a twenty twenty two Honda Civic for eight thousand dollars, I was like, wait a minute. Then I start looking at all the other prices, and it's one of those situations where you know, when you look at it, it's too good to be true, you know. So I send her a message on Facebook hey, is this really real? Is this really you know going on?

I reported this.

Fraud to Facebook, and because they had turned off the commenting on that post, you couldn't comment. That's a dead giveaway, by the way. I then did another post where I tagged her and I said her Facebook account has been stolen. Any posts you'd see there are lies and scams, And then they remove the tag. I did it over and over and over again.

They'd remove it.

I would take the post down, I would do a new post. I wanted to be the most painful part of their day. I wanted to come for me, and it took about a week for her to get access to her Facebook out again. By the way, Facebook not only did not take the post down because it didn't violate their community standards, there's no way to follow up with how it's a scam. There's no way to delineate that this is not the owner of this Facebook page and they're trying to get money from people.

That is not right.

So a couple of days ago, I saw a normal post on her Facebook page and I sent her another text and I said, Ah, did you get your Facebook page back? And she said yes. And I said did anyone send the scammers money? And she said a friend of a friend wired them thirty thousand dollars? And I was like, uh, because I know this woman and I know that that is even though she had nothing to do with it other than not having two step log in authorization signed up for. That was the only thing

Off because they think that that's my post.

And let me just say this, guys and gals, if it looks too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

Use your common sense. Go on the internet.

This is what I did when I saw the twenty twenty two Hona Civic for eight thousand dollars. I went how much does the twenty twenty two Zivic cost?

And guess what?

Twenty two thousand dollars is a lot more than eight thousand dollars.

But use the two step authorization. Do it.

It could save you a world of pain and tru But later. This is my PSA for you today hashtag The more you know, we'll be right back. And when we get back, I got to dip my toe back into the Zelensky stuff because I have so much stuff on it today.

When we get back, I want to share.

Jeffrey Sachs is a Columbia professor who has studied Eastern Europe Ukraine Russia relations for decades. I want to share his testimony at the European Union when we get back to the third hour of the show. I almost got taken out by a piece of broccoli. Someone someone went crazy and on our diabetes sharing table, where only sweet things are allowed, someone brought a veggie tray, which I'm

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I want to play this.

This is a Columbia professor and Eastern European studier and a studier of this for a very long time. He is giving testimony to the European Union. This was in twenty twenty two after Russia rolled into Ukraine.

He is testifying at the EU to.

Give it in the European Parliament. What was Pruin's intention in the war?

Not the propaganda that's written about this, Oh that they failed and he was going to take over Ukraine.

The idea was to keep NATO. And what is NATO.

It's the United States off of Russia's border. No more no less, when the Soviet Union ended in nineteen ninety one and an agreement was made that NATO will not move one inch eastward. Now, what happened after nineteen ninety one? The United States decided there would be no end to eastward enlargement of NATO, and the decision was taken formally in nineteen ninety four when President Clinton signed off on NATO enlargement to the east, all the way to Ukraine

Thousand and seven, President Boone said stop enough, And of course what that.

Meant was in two thousand and eight, the United States jammed down Europe's throat enlargement of NATO to Ukraine and to Georgia.

This is right up against Russia, and.

Russia protested because if Russia decided to have a military base on the Rio Grand or the Canadian border, not only would the United States freak out, we'd have war within about ten minutes, and a month later war broke out.

That gets Georgia destroyed.

And starting in twenty ten, the US put in AEGEUS missile systems in Poland and then in Romania, and Russia doesn't like that. In twenty ten, Victorianikovich was elected on the platform of neutrality. Russia had no territorial interests or designs in Ukraine at all. What Russia was negotiating was a twenty five year lease for Savastopol naval base. That's it, not for Crimea, not for the Donbos.

Nothing.

In twenty fourteen, the US Worked Act Lead to overthrow Yanikovic.

Everybody knows the phone call. If my Columbia.

University colleague, Victoria Newland and the US Ambassador Peter Piap listen to it, it's fascinating.

I can't let you listen to it because it's got curse words in it, but it uh, it absolutely clarifies what they're saying here, and you can listen to it if you're here and yeah, hang on, oops, let me fix this. I couldn't play that part. I forgot to beep it out.

What is happening now? Did you turn it off? I turned it off? Zack, there we go.

Wait a minute. Oh geez, there we go. Yeah, I need it back up. You need a back up?

Sorry, I turned it down down here? Why is it not playing?

Now?

Do you have me up?

You hang on?

Let me back it up just a little bit.

I just can't play that phone call because it is got a word in it between two diplomats.

All right here he goes.

Mince and especially Mince too.

It said there should be autonomy for the Russian speaking regions in the east of Ukraine.

It was supported.

Unanimously by the UN Security Council. The United States and Ukraine decided it was.

Not to be enforced.

There were many thousands of deaths in the shelling by Ukraine in the donbas and one of the issues on the table in December twenty twenty one January twenty twenty two was does the United States claim the right to put missile systems in Ukraine? And Blincoln told lavrev in January twenty twenty two. The United States reserves the right to put missile systems wherever it wants, So the war started.

And the American.

Senators, who are as nasty and cynical and corrupt as imaginable, say, this is wonderful expenditure of our money because no Americans are dying.

It's and that kind of wraps it up. But he does the things in a different perspective, and I might disagree. And I looked up a lot of Jeffrey Sachs today. I looked up his writings, and some of it I disagree with strongly about other issues. But he lays it out pretty clearly the history of what's going on right now. And I used the phrase proxy war earlier in the show, and someone.

Hit the text line like proxy war. What are you talking about? This now?

Is a proxy war? It didn't start that way because Russia thought they would roll into Ukraine and it would be like, you know, mission accomplish, and it wasn't.

So there's a lot of factors here.

And by the way, I'm not sitting here saying, oh, poor Putin. You know, poor Vladimir Putin. He was being put upon, and you know he's the nice guy. I think Putin is a horrible person. He's a dictator. He murders journalists, he disappears people. To this day in Russia. I think he's a horrible person. But to think that this further endless funding of the Ukraine War is going to yield anything other than disaster, I think is just foolish.

It's just a huge mess.

If I thought Ukraine could actually win, then we'd be having a different conversation.

I just don't think they can.

This is another slog another war where people are entrenched and the lines are barely moving.

I'm just over it. I don't see the point.

Other than enriching defense companies and enriching people who figure out a way to grift off of the endless dollars that are pouring in from around the world. And I'm just you know, it seems like we can do better things with the money that we're spending on this stuff on the blog today, ongoing stuff.

I find it interesting that when I.

Start talking about this, it's like, oh, Mandy, you're a Russian plant. You can believe that Russia is bad, but also recognize how we got here at the same time.

And I think that it is.

Critically important that we dig a little deeper when we think about this stuff.

Did you just go.

Get one of those rice Krispy treats after I talked about.

Them being on the diabetes sharing table?

Ny sak Oh to be young and have that kind of metabolism again. Anyway, So when I talk about this stuff, it's not because I am pro plutin. This is one of those situations where it's kind of like when two football teams that you hate play each other and you're like, can they both lose It's kind of how I feel. Can they both lose? Well, they're both losing right now. They're just getting an entire generation of young.

People slaughtered with no real hope in sight.

Mandy says this text or the Ukraine Russian war is a testing ground for weapons. The European governments have a test ground for their weapons, which they turn around and sell to other countries like the Middle East and Asia. Their industry make money and they don't lose any soldiers. Russia has been using it testing their weapons too.

Interesting.

The Russian military tactics haven't changed since World War Two when they fought the Germans. The US arms industry also had made a fortune on selling weapons to Ukraine, but also other countries who see how our weapons work. I just that's such a.

Horrible cynical thing.

That could very well be true, But it means that defense industry is willing to just let people go into a meat writer in order so they can test their products. And you know, I want to believe that the people in the defense industry are doing it because they want the United States to be able to have a lethal fighting force, but they don't necessarily wish for collateral damage of this level, though, now I'm a fool.

I'm a fool for asking questions.

I've never felt foolish when I asked a question that got an answer to that got me closer to understanding something at a deeper level.

Never, not once now I.

Have asked them questions, or after I asked the.

Question, I felt foolish.

You know, I think.

Everybody's asked a dumb question before in their lives. But try to learn about something, being curious about something, you probably text her need to be a little less tribal, because we need to get to some kind.

Of resolution here. We need to figure this out.

There's not going to be any kind of massive change in what's going on unless we go to full scale war with Russia. And I think that anytime you talk about adding military power in terms of air power and things of that nature, anytime you.

Talk about putting boots on the ground.

You know, the UK's talking about sending troops to Ukraine. Do you want to send our men and women to Ukraine to fight?

I don't.

I don't want to send them there as peacekeepers. I don't want to send them there at all, because at what point do we just say okay, you know what, enough, enough is enough. We've had enough, and.

That's kind of where I am.

I learned that I feel this way about Iraq in Afghanistan. I wish I had asked more questions. I wish more discussions had been had, because I am lucky enough to be aware of all of these veterans organizations that are out here helping veterans who have seen combat, who now struggle so much with PTSD, with physical injuries, with TBIs that are gonna affect them the rest of their lives.

I'm married to a veteran who has.

Broken into little pieces by combat and frankly put back together really badly. So this isn't an abstract conversation. Do you want to commit more young men and more young women to go and have those experiences on behalf of Ukraine in a direct war with Russia?

Is that what you want?

Because I do not, and I'm gonna keep asking questions so I have a better understanding. So if at any point there is a reason good enough to make that happen to commit our young men and women to a fight halfway around the world, I'll be the first to

No, I'm not willing to do that, are you?

What is it worth to you to continue to fight in Ukraine when we get back, And I'd love to know the answer to that. By the way, I'm not just asking it to be snarky. You can email me Mandy Connell at iHeartMedia dot com because I've got a guest coming up in the next segment to talk about

We will do this next.

Oh, but I think I'm going to make some kind of formal snitch line.

What am I asking you to snitch on.

I'm asking you to snitch when your town council, your city council, your county commission is doing shady stuff and you want someone to let everybody know, because I am sick of it.

I live in Douglas County.

We have three Republican members of the Board of County Commission, and two of them I do not trust as far as I can throw them for a variety of reasons. One I just personally find distasteful. One has been on this show before and lied to my face, or if he wasn't lying, then he provided no documentation to back

I mean, that's the sort of big macro.

Description of what we're talking about that it goes way deeper than that.

Jen. First of all, welcome to the show.

And second of all, how did you get attached to this story?

How did this all come to your attention?

Well, Hi, Mandy, thanks so much for having me on your show today. It's a great pleasure to be here. And I think I'll be emailing you about my own city council with that snitch line because I live in Grand Junction. But the reason I've been writing about this is basically because residents reached out. They are frustrated, and they want to get the word out so that hopefully public pressure we'll do something to move these commissioners, because so far nothing has.

And I did a core request.

And it's regarding the Sandstone Primitive Camping Pilot project in Douglas County. And there are over five hundred submissions to the Douglas County website. I haven't read every single one, but I have maybe only seen one.

That asked a question.

All the rest of the submissions were a plea to the commissioners to rethink this, to not go.

Forward with this pilot project.

And we'll have two different local governments who have pass resolutions rejecting this primitive camping project and Sandstone Ranch, and they're just overwhelming. For people who know about what's going on and what these commissioners are considering, there's an overwhelming opposition to it.

Well, what we're talking about is a proposal in a Sandstone Ranch part of Douglas County, which in a valley.

It's beautiful, there's a lot of low brush.

It's one of those places that is almost always slightly windy and often very windy.

So this combination of things, and now the.

Board of County Commissioners has come forward and said we're going to allow some primitive camping to go on there. Now, the people who live in that area, their big concern is fire, because if someone doesn't take care of a campfire, if someone doesn't properly start a campfire, or someone starts a campfire and a burn band, you could very quickly burn down an entire neighborhood or two or three really fast. Because of the nature of the topography in this area.

Now, And that's been a really big question by so many people because it's only something like around five sites that they're proposing.

There's only there's several residents.

Is nearby that a joint that area, there's a school, there is an elementary less than two miles away, and there's really That's what I've asked, why would they propose to do this because there is like you said, there's great wind, there is, there wouldn't be there would be no services.

And this is basically what I've been told.

A one road in, one ride out area where there's maybe a back gate that would have to be opened. Fire chief I spoke to from the Larkspur of fire Chief Tim McCauley.

He said that he's really concerned because he wouldn't know where people are.

Maybe they're right camping, and the amount of time it would take to find whoever is out there. With the potential of a wildfire to spread quickly, there could be a catastrophic loss of life, catastrophic loss of property that would be long time in the making. The Perry Park Metro District Board President Derren Hill he's not even just just I mean, this is a great catastrophic about loss of life, potentially of people getting out, maybe they won't

I haven't seen.

I've asked so many residents is what is the motive behind us?

And everybody's scratching their heads.

Well, And one of the most interesting comments I saw on a Facebook page that I'm in was someone said, well, anybody could accidentally start a fire in your yard, and that is true, but when you are in your yard, you tend to be more cautious, you tend to take greater care, You tend to make sure that you are not doing things they can negatively impact yourself and your neighbors.

And not only that.

One of the commissioners, Abe Layden, he said in a recent commission meeting that and this was something that residents brought to my attention. I had to go and find it. In one of the meeting videos. He said that, well, anybody has the potential to start a fire. The homeowners could start a fire. And what the resident said was they can't even go and get a They can't start a fire and a fire pit in their own residence unless they get a permit.

But to get the permit, they have to have.

The firepit expected first. And then also they, like you said, they're very vigilant. They even said that residents will, well they will if they see smoke or.

Something in the nearby neighborhood.

A few houses away and they don't know what it is, out of concern for the neighborhood and their own property, they will call and Kim Greer, she spoke up at one of the Commission meetings in opposition to this, she's a resident. She's also a former volunteer firefighter in the area.

She said, the visibility of.

Being able to see these people that come in for who knows where and they have no investment, they don't know the neighbors, they don't care about their community, they didn't invest how much money in their home. The visibility of being able to see something that may be a camper from who knows where starts. It wouldn't be the same thing as in your neighborhood.

And laden he kind of.

Likened it to somebody could start a fire with a hair dryer in their home.

And the residents brought this to my attention. They felt insulted.

It is I would do.

I have family in Douglas County, and I.

Know how much my family members who live in Douglas County invest in taking care of their property. Right spend hours shoveling out snow. They spend so much time and money making their homes safe and beautiful and well taken care of well.

Jen Schuman is my guest from the Rocky Mountain Voice. We're talking about the league. Here's the last question I have for you. Jen as a simple one. You know, Abe Laden is the one that brought this up initially. It is my understanding he has never demonstrated any constituents who have come forward to say, yes, I'm the one that got this ball rolling. When asked who's supporting this,

The only support I've heard in a commission meeting from listening to the videos came from a commissioner, George Till. He brought up at boy Scouts brought up their interest in being able to camp in the area. And I think he has a boy Scout background and so he you know, had had some you know, uh respect for that interest being brought forth. But what I thought was also interesting was that he said and others, well, if her are other why can't they be named exactly exactly?

This is what they do, Jen Human, great reporting at Rocky Mountain Voice. Thank you so much for continuing to do this, and I hope that others will will start to hit my political snitch line and email me your stories of Malfeasans. And again, I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat.

Both George Steele and Abe.

Ladener are Republicans and I don't trust the way they run.

The county now, so I'm gonna keep talking about it.

Jen.

I so appreciate your time today and all.

You do.

My pleasure. Thank you so much.

All right, thanks Jen, that's you and human with the Rocky Mountain Voice. If you're not reading the Rocky Mountain Voice every day, you really are missing out. They're doing great original reporting and it is just uh you should go check it out.

Now.

Let's see what I did not hit on the blog today. Are you playing of the day to Damia?

Okay, sit down, because I just got a really funny text that is about you and I want to no, no, not not about you. But wait a minute, lease let me see if I can find it.

Really.

Okay, here we go, here's the question for Nia bender.

Our crack Newswomannia Mandy, what would it take for us to get Nia to change her name to Anna?

Just asking Anna? On a bender on a bender?

Let's see here, I've been fender bender on a bender bender over. Oh nice, we were going to go there, but that's that's how we're having come up with on a bender.

Yeah, sadly, I think I've heard all of this.

Well, I bet well, my well, I can't say that without outing myself as my my husband's last name is kind of funny, and when put with my real first name, it's very funny.

But I'm not gonna say it on the air because I will out myself. Did you watch the Oscars last idea?

I don't watch the Oscars because of the political thing.

But it was a really good I gotta tell you, it was really really good. But I wonder people know.

If you want snarky commentary about gowns, you can find it on Today's blog, where I gave you. I didn't go through all of them because that would have been really tedious.

I just did the ones I really wanted to make.

Fun of, Like Arianna grind Rande looked like a lamp at my nana's house.

Okay, she did look like a lamp.

And if you're gonna spend money like that on a dress and you want something big and poofy, go get one of the dresses the girls that do their king snatas wear, oh because you imagine, Yeah, but their spectacle dresses are.

And then Crinthy Orriva looked like a punctuation mark of some sort. You're right about that, like some kind of Japanese tattoo.

You know what I mean.

Uh.

And then Timothy shallomey, Oh, I love you Timothy, but he looked like he got dressed by him up at last, like the muppets were like dress Timothy. And then Whoopi Goldberg was dressed by Hefty. It just looked like landscaping fabric. Yes, they were made into a dress.

She was actually in a dress. She looked actually for Whoopy very pretty. I know I was gonna bring that up. Did look pretty for Whoopye Yeah, I'm used to seeing her in any kind of dress.

And then poor Emma Stone she fired her stylist today.

Who found a dress It was.

Both the exact same shade as her skin and completely shapeless at the same time.

Okay, but you have to realize that they don't need to fire anybody, because what are we doing, right, I know we're firing Their stylists were talking, but we're talking about this. So I worked and then Selena Gomez was a goddess last night. Yes, it was all old Hollywood glamour, absolutely stunning, the best yep, absolutely stunning. So this text message, uh, this sounds like rich people don't want people camping near them.

Not so much about fires. You have to understand the topography of this particular place because they're in a it is always windy, always not super windy.

But all we looked at a house there.

I mean, this is I'm very familiar with this area and it's always windy, and if something catches fire, there is no there's nothing to stop it from just racing. It's yeah, so there are legit reasons to not want to do this. So hang on, let me see if I can find this one part of Kieren.

Culkin's speech last night. Can I have my audio here? We go, Let me see, let me just get to it.

Way.

You look fine right now.

I should always should think my mom and Steve for trying to right here.

I want to really I love you, Jazz.

This is a jazz u forever everything forgiving my favorite people in the world. This is please don't play the music because I want to tell a really.

Quick story about jazz.

About a year ago, is on the stage like this, and I very stupidly publicly said that I want a third kid from her because she said if.

I won the award, I would she would give me the kid.

Uh.

It turns out she said that because she didn't think I was gonna win. Oh, And people came up to her were like, you know, uh, really annoying her.

I think I think it got to her.

But anyway, after the show, we're walking through a parking lot, she's holding the Emmy.

We're trying to find her car.

Emily, you were there, so your witness, and she goes, oh, god, I did say that.

I guess I owe you a third kid.

And I turned to her and I said, really, I'm want four, and she turned me. I swear to God, this habitage just over a year ago. She said, I will give you four when you win an Oscar.

Oh, I'm standing there.

He shook it and I have now brought it up once.

And can tell just now you run it that, honey, you do and I just have this to say to you, Jazz, love of my life.

You have little faith, no pressure. I love you. I'm really sorry I did this again. And let's get cracking on those kids.

What are you saying?

I need love?

It was that there was Kiaren Culkan accepting his word for Best Supporting Actor last night.

Sweetest acceptance speech. Funny, absolutely, non political, exactly.

Well, the only person who with political is Daryl Hannah, who doesn't have a whole lot of a career right now. I guess she hears she'd take her shot, you know, like this is my Oh, well, de Niro, that's expected.

That's like, did de Niro breathe? Yes? Did he make fun of Trump?

Yes?

Okay, there you go.

But it was and from what I've read and what I've seen, it was far better than years past.

All right, it was actually delightful.

So I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I did watch, it was just refreshing to not be inundated with a bunch of garbage. Although one of my friends is so mad that Demi Moore didn't win, so mad. She's like she was the best. But I haven't seen an Ore yet, so we'll have to say, and now it's time.

Now, wait a minute, stop that. You know what you have to yell right in the world. You have to yell in the world when I pointed you, okay, you got it. You got your marching ards.

And now it's time for the most exciting segment all the radio of it's kind in the world.

Very good Nia of the day. You got the assignment?

Yeah good, ye have little faiths exactly.

Last, she's gonna be pragnant with twins. Love the fact that he's just like I just want more babies. I think that's so sweet.

Anyway, what is our dad joke of the day please?

The bad joke of the day to day? What's more amazing than a talking dog?

It is a talking dog? What a spelling beat?

Yeah?

All right, moving on. What's her word of the day please?

Word of the day?

Draconian.

Oh, Jaconian means excessively harsh or really bad, mean punishment type thing.

It's kind of brutal than Trodian describes something that is very severe or cry. Yep, there we go, all right. Today's trivia question.

What country's national parliament is called the althing A L T h I N G althing I want to say.

Denmark or something. I don't I don't know. I was gonna say Nederland. I'm so close, I'm in.

The right part of the world.

Sowere'd you say?

What Island Netherlands or Nederland Netherlands.

She's also close Sweden, Finland? Oh, you're so so close? And the right word Iceland.

Iceland founded in nine to thirty CE.

The outing is.

One of the oldest national parliaments in the world.

Huh. It seems like I would have heard in that country where they have like thirty people. All right, you know, okay? What is our jeopardy category? This is how it works Nia.

You have to shout out your name to be able to answer the question in the form of a question. You don't have to wait until the end of the question. If you know it, if you get it right, we'll get one point. If you get it wrong yet minus one. Okay, here we go. What is our category? Beach stuff?

It's all it's all beach theme for sorry, it's on the beach.

It's all beach themed.

Got it? This became an Olympic event. Mandy, what is volleyball? Beach volleyball? That is forrect number two.

Here.

Gold Beach was at the center of the five designated landing areas during this nineteen forty four military operation.

Oh no, Manny, what is Normandy? The Stormy of Normandy? Yes, okay, Norman.

Wow, there's a Barbie doll based on this nineteen nineties TV what's her name about? Beautiful and fit lifeguards on La County beaches.

They're looking for the name of the show.

Oh, Mandy, what is Maywatch? That is correct? You're killing me? Have Yeah, I'm good at this game. I play it every day.

She owed me my person Oh good, easier once you play more often, try Yeah, santabel Island on this US state's Ranny.

What's Florida? It's yeah, I knew that one there, fair, Yeah, I knew you were going to get that one.

Making up the sand on most beaches is this compound chemical formula SiO two in the form of tiny crystals of this of the mineral courts, the.

Salt nous, Andy would a silica?

That is correct?

All right, there we go. Okay, Nia, that was your first time, very first time on this side of the shelf.

You I'd like to have you again because you did such a good job in the world.

Oh okay, I.

Think you wouldn't believe how many people can't even pull that off. Okay, so you're already like light years ahead.

Anybody can have a really big mouth.

Wait, no, no, you do you ever wonder if people are the same on the radios they are off the air. Trust me, there's no guy on a Nia bender. This is the same on and off the air, exactly the same. Okay, Tomorrow, we've got a short show one hour before baseball, but it's going to be a hum dinger.

I'm working on something right now.

Hopefully i'll have it for you tomorrow, and that's all I'm gonna say, because if I don't, then you'll be disappointed.

But just trust me, show up tomorrow at noon see what's gonna happen. But in the me time, keep it right here on KOA