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Basically, I will never know who was on the other side of that phone. This person approached me, a lady who supposedly was working for one of these large consulting firms. Do you know anything about her? No, not at all. I mean, for the real person, no. How long did it take you until you had your first successful scam? One and a half month. This woman I'll call Rita is from the Philippines. She's a single mother in her early 30s. So in total, how much money did he put in? $78,000.
78,000 US dollars. Yes. That's a lot of money. Yes. Remember Edgar from the last episode? The guy in Canada who got scammed over LinkedIn? He had no idea who was really behind the messages he received. But that $78,000 Rita was talking about a moment ago, well, that was Edgar's money. Rita isn't the Singaporean marketing executive she told Edgar she was. Rita is short, with braces and hair dyed golden brown. The day I meet her, she's in a peach-coloured T-shirt and jeans with big pockets.
She lives with her parents. They're helping her raise her daughter. I played as a professional individual. In my part on our team, we will act as us. professional and successful businesswoman. She told me that to become a successful scammer, she had to play a role, carefully following a detailed script. The foreigner will need to ask, what are you doing in your life? Why you are so rich? She'd built a fake profile, bolstered with photos.
good food, that you are in a Louis Vuitton shop, like you are having a nice home, like that. But Rita wasn't eating good food and shopping at Louis Vuitton, not even after hitting the jackpot with Edgar's 78 grand. That's because Rita isn't the hardened criminal you might expect. You see a crime, then you identify a criminal. That's how things normally work. But in the underworld of scamming, everything is more complicated. And to understand just how complicated...
and who the scammers really are, you have to go back to the beginning of Rita's story. From The Economist, this is Scam Inc. Episode 2. An opportunity of a lifetime. Rita told me that her story of becoming a pig butchering scammer started in July of 2022. She was looking for a new job. So I searched on Facebook. Then there I saw a post like...
Hiring CSR agent bound to Thailand. It was a customer service job, and a pretty well-paid one, at a call centre in Thailand. The ad looked legit. There was certainly no mention of cyber fraud. Rita had been a kindergarten teacher and then worked in customer service. But this job abroad would be a chance to make more money for her family. caught my attention is that free lodging free food and all travel expenses will be shouldered by the employer she applied and she got the job
The company asked for a copy of her passport. Within days, they sent her a plane ticket. I asked, how many months or years is the... contract and she said six months so that's wow six months only and then I will come back to Philippines that's great so I said yes so it's like hypnotizing me that I want to travel. I want to see the elephants there. Like that. That's the thing inside my mind that I can go to the airplane. I can go to Thailand. I can see scenery. Plus the work.
It was exciting because I knew I had landed on an opportunity of a lifetime and I was traveling to another country and the first time getting on a plane. That was a big deal for me. Jaleel Mouyeke is from Uganda. He also got a job offer in Thailand. His story started a year later, but it was remarkably similar. He found work through an old friend, someone he'd gone to school with.
The friend had moved to Thailand and told Jalil the company was recruiting. And if you can come, they would love to have you because you speak good English. They want people who speak English. What we shall basically be doing is data entry and online marketing. Jalil's girlfriend was pregnant, and this would be a chance to spend a few months making extra money for the family.
So we arrived in Bangkok. After landing in Thailand, Jalil breezed through immigration. They didn't ask any questions. Jalil had travelled down with another Ugandan guy, another recruit. A driver would be meeting them at the airport. When the driver saw us, he also came towards us. He had our pictures, but then he didn't speak any English at all. He just showed us our pictures and then took our bags, put them in the car and asked us to get in.
The driver told them through a translation app, we'll drive for an hour before stopping for food. So in my head, I'm a little confused because I had done some little research before we left. And I had read that from the airport to Bangkok was approximately 20 minutes. So I know this guy was saying we would drive for approximately one hour and get something to eat. I just gave it the benefit of doubt and thought that, yeah, maybe he's taking a longer route. Maybe we're first passing somewhere.
After an hour they pulled over to eat at a KFC. And then after that we got back into their car. So the guy says, still on his phone, he says, we're going to drive for about eight hours to get to our destination. So that scared me. It scared me like real bad. We were already five hours inland travel. So, oh my God, this is already five hours. I'm asking, I'm still in Thailand? Am I still in Thailand? But I cannot...
Communicate with them because they cannot speak in English. They are Thailander. So what were you thinking during that time? I want to escape. I want to escape already because I cannot contact my recruiter already. After a day of driving, Jalil and his companion were taken to a remote hotel for the night.
At one point I thought maybe I should just run away. But then I also remembered as we were going there I was seeing a lot of ponds and rice fields and I thought maybe if I run away I could die out there anyway. Let me just wait for this and if it's dying, it's okay. I've accepted my fate. I messed up because there were red flags in the start and I should have been intelligent enough to see them, but then I didn't see, so...
It's already bad, so it is what it is. In his hotel room, Jalil pushed the bed against the door and spent a sleepless night. The next day, someone came to pick him up. They put our bags in the back and then they asked us to get in. And then we start driving. We traveled for one hour again. When we arrived, there were civilians who has a gun. They all have guns.
Then we are not allowed to open our flashlight, but it's so dark. And the grass at our tolls, then we were asked to duck, to crawl, to go down. Behind the river. Behind a river? Yeah, we will go to the river because we will cross that river. Oh, you had to crawl down to the riverbank? Yes. And then wait to get on a boat? Yes. And then when we stopped, there was like...
You know, a row boat. Sarah was hired from South Africa. She'd been a tutor until the COVID pandemic disrupted her business. She too had responded to an ad for a customer service job in Thailand. Sarah's not her real name and she's asked that we alter her voice. On the other side of the river, they were armed with like huge guns. That's when I knew that, OK, this is not going to go down the way. I hope so.
I remember I was so scared and I froze that my knees got weak. I couldn't move. One of the other recruits, an Ethiopian guy, had to pick her up and help her into the boat. At first, I remember my friend saying to me, they're going to sell our kidneys. They're going to make us soldiers. I told him, just keep quiet. Just keep quiet. Just keep quiet. So I knew from then that, okay, it's either they're going to...
cut me open and sound my organs, or I'm going to be a sex slave. You know, I didn't know what was going to happen, but I knew it was something bad. From then, I just went to a survivor mode, like, how am I going to get myself out of the situation? i'm just saying to myself this is the last time this is the last time i will go abroad like that after this enough i will not
Dream of bigger dreams. I will just stay on my country like that. Because if you go abroad, something bad could happen. Yeah, I like that. On the other side of the river, they were told to get into another vehicle. And then we got to this... place. It looked like a prison because it had guards everywhere. It has towers where they could stand and see with guns. It had gates. It was really secure. They went through our stuff. They took our laptops and took our phone and they took our passport.
We enter the gate. And inside the gate, immediately you enter the gate, you see it's a whole town. They have like flats where we could stay. They had companies where they built where we were going to work. They had a shopping center, they had a supermarket. They had clothing shops. The full compound was protected by, I think, like a 20-feet hole. Gavesh, also not his real name, is from South Asia.
He had a job in the hotel industry until COVID, so he responded to a job ad on Facebook, and now here he was. When he stepped inside the walls, he saw big office blocks. And then there were buildings with cafeterias, restaurants, bakeries, saloons, clothes shops. They had everything inside. The compound was, in many ways, like a conventional company town. It took us to a supermarket. They bought us some basic necessities. They bought a one-inch mattress.
Bedsheet and a blanket, toothpaste, toothbrush, some sandals, and then took us to the dormitory. Jalil was brought to a small room with four bunk beds. There was one Indian, there was one Nepali, and there was one guy from Indonesia. He encountered people from all over the world. Dormitory is full of them. Each building has four floors. One floor has around 16 rooms. And each room has four bunk beds.
And those dormitories, they were like more than 10 buildings just for the dormitories. And then within like around 10 minutes, My friend, who I knew, came. Jalil finally saw his friend, the one who'd gotten him the job. When he saw me, I think he saw I was scared. I remember the first thing he told me was...
Do not be scared. Nobody is taking your kidneys. It's like he had read my mind. Jalil was relieved to see him, but angry. You told me I was going to Bangkok and now here I am? I don't even know where I am in the first place. I was escorted by soldiers to get here. So tell me what is going on. So that's when he told me we are in Myanmar. My heart skipped.
Rita, Jalil, Sarah and Gavesh had all taken the same journey. They'd been driven north from Bangkok to a town called Mesot, and they'd been put on boats and ferried across the Moy River. That river forms the border between Thailand and Myanmar. Myanmar's a dangerous place. There's been an almost continuous civil war. waging for decades, especially in its border regions. Warlords rule their little fiefdoms. A military junta controls the capital and a few other major cities.
It has been trying, with little success, to impose its rule across the rest of the country. And among that instability, criminal industries have flourished. Gambling, drugs, prostitution. The whole place is a war zone. When we're in there, sometimes you would hear gunshots and blasts of what seemed to be like bombs. Sometimes the bomb was like really close, like we shook a bit. Yeah.
That's how scary it was. Resistance groups were battling the ruling junta. And in those lawless border areas, criminal conglomerates carried on as usual. Though not quite as usual. There was another complication, COVID. If you run a casino, a pandemic is bad for business. That accelerated investment in a new revenue stream, and it turned out to be an incredibly lucrative one.
The guy said to us, do you know what you're going to do here? Then I said, yes, I'm going to be a customer service in English, you know, for a tech and gold trading company. That's what they told us. Then the guy said, no, that's not what you're going to do. So on the first day, I had nothing to do. They just gave a computer and there were four word documents.
and i had to read and go through those four word documents i had to read them carefully again and again and again when i was reading it what i understood is like it's like it's just a normal chat between two people they got in to know each other online hi how are you I saw your photo. I like that color. How is the weather? Blah, blah. This initial conversations, which is moving on to flirting and...
The love stage, okay, you are my this one, you are my sunshine, you are my love. My team leader told me to observe first the two Filipinos who were working already. I saw already that they are... into love scum. Love scams? Yeah. They were here to perpetrate pig-butchering scams, the same kind of fraud that had ensnared Shane, the Kansas Bank CEO, and Edgar in Canada, who Rita scammed.
I said to him, what do you mean I'm going to scam people? Then it's, you know, you need to convince people to invest into crypto. They had these slogans that would always chant before we start to work every day. And it was something like... cripple the us and the european economy and then i don't know if it is what he said or it's just a translator who added it but then he said this is world war three
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Cyclical growth, rapid growth, and steady growth. The World Wide Web. Wall Street is in turmoil as stocks crash. The Monks Investment Trust, managed by Bailey Gifford. Capital at risk. Over the past few years, gangs in Myanmar have been scamming foreigners on an industrial scale. I've seen satellite images of these compounds. You look at an image from a few years ago, and there's almost nothing.
a couple of shacks and some fields. Now, there are neat clusters of hundreds of warehouses, offices, and apartment blocks. On his first day of work, Jalil was led into a large office. It looked like a call centre. There were long tables with banks of computers lined up. Employees sat quietly, looking straight ahead. He was shown to his seat and handed four iPhones. So they gave us a script. They gave us pictures of this beautiful lady. Pictures of her in nice hotels, beaches.
driving fancy cars. And then they asked us to get as many dating sites as possible. He was told to create profiles on dating sites using this woman's photos. And then, to my surprise, in like about one hour or two, the lady walks in. And it's a very lady I'm seeing in the pictures. And she's right there. These weren't photos stolen from social media. They were of this woman. She was working at the compound, there in case the so-called customer wanted a video chat.
Most of the people who were scammed was because of that video call. They would get excited and then, after the call, everything they are asked is just, they would be open to anything. In the meantime, Jalil would be the one at the keyboard, playing a character. He was given a script, a backstory, for this woman he'd pretend to be. She was supposedly from Belarus as she had moved to the US.
Five years back, she had one daughter who she had left back in Belarus with her parents. She had recently gotten divorced before she moved to the US. Like Jalil. Sarah was made to create profiles, but hers were on social media, Facebook, X and Instagram. They gave me a script that I had to act like an Asian woman that's very rich. An Asian woman that stays in Chicago or California. I need to know.
Everything that happens in California, I need to know the grocery store, I need to know the nearest hospital, I need to know the nearest service station. It was... changing your whole life, change your whole thinking. So you need to be in that woman's shoes. It was too much that you start forgetting your own life. You know, you just living in this dream world, like in an entirely different world.
we go to that person's profile and if the profile is open then we can see all the details of him if he's a rich guy if he has money or what is his job Gvesh found his targets over social media too. Then only we send you the friend request and then we go through your photos. We say, okay, that is lovely. Oh my God, are you single? You look handsome, blah, blah, blah.
Gavesh says they sometimes hijacked real profiles, ones that wouldn't seem suspicious to Facebook's anti-fraud algorithm. They don't want us to send friend requests as soon as possible. First we have to create... a chat so for example if you have put a photo of you with the headphone on okay so if i'm pretending as a girl then i would
Come and ask like, oh my God, are you into recording stuff? Something like that. The next job was to mine the internet for particular emotions. Lonely people spend a lot of time on social media. What ties together everyone I spoke to who got scammed is something very simple. A stranger made a connection with them. Not necessarily a romantic or sexual one, but something that made them feel seen.
understood. So we had to find people that were vulnerable, people that didn't have a support system, someone that was actually lonely, you know. And we needed to find someone from the age of 40 to 65. You're chatting with someone and they are telling you everything about their life. You're chatting with someone, he's telling you, I have cancer.
I may not live for long. You're chatting with someone who's telling you, I lost my wife just a few weeks ago. You're chatting with someone who tells you, my wife left me and she took everything. And you really see that a person has some money and they are willing to do it. anything to multiply that money. So if you bring for them an investment opportunity, they will most definitely jump into it. And it is the only money they have. We are not allowed to speak in black.
Americans, we were not allowed. Not allowed to speak to Black Americans? Yes, we were not allowed. I don't know why. It's not hard to guess why. This is racism, an assumption that Black Americans will have less money. Racial profiling was part of the playbook. Only white Americans. Yes, white Americans only. Rita sent me documents, Word docs and spreadsheets. They were training materials she'd been given.
One had conversation prompts on books, music, gardening, football. Some topics were more pointed. What profession do you work in? Do you like to travel? They were questions designed to discern a target's wealth. Ask about their house, their car, where they went to university. They should be rich, but not too good-looking. It was a complete playbook for how to connect with others. There's guidance on how to establish intimacy, like...
Pay compliments to the customer. Mirror their tone. Greet them every morning. Say goodnight when they go to sleep. Learn about them. Find out what's lacking in their life. What's the emotional hole you can fill? And relate your own sad stories, maybe about a former spouse who cheated on you. Create sympathy.
I'm thinking here of Karina in California, whose scammer would shower her with attention while spinning a web of lies about his own difficult past. Finally, project an image of sophistication. reveal hints of your own lavish lifestyle. And be classy. Rita's instruction said, if you're running a scam in which you found your victims on LinkedIn, like she did,
Don't send nude selfies until after they've invested. Another document is a primer on cryptocurrency. Yet another is a step-by-step guide on how to prevent your Facebook or LinkedIn account from getting flagged and taken down. and what to do if it does get scrubbed. You must get there. Telegram number or WhatsApp number because our account in LinkedIn can be blocked because it's a dummy account. These techniques have been honed and they're accompanied by a suite of high tech.
I even had to be a voice caller because we had guys as well, so they couldn't call their customers. So I had to call for their customers and all that. Sarah would talk on the phone to men her male colleagues were messaging with. They have a computer system that I can make a video call. I would look exactly like an Asian roommate or not. She could deepfake herself on video calls, changing her appearance with a filter.
One thing I tried to do was to try and warn people, you know, in a way that they wouldn't be suspicious. I would write those long sentences and I would even tell to them, you know, before you go on with this, you need to just invest. Just check if it's something you would like to do. So to them, they thought I was building more trust. But for me, I was trying to warn this person that peace don't do this.
We are praying that don't invest, don't invest. But they keep investing because they see that they are winning. We can't say anything to them because everything is monitored. Bosses were watching their WhatsApp chats. So I would always go back to the dating app and send them a message. This is a scam. Just disconnect on WhatsApp button. If you show any sign, if you say anything on WhatsApp, but I've told you about this, I'll be in trouble. There were cameras everywhere.
So you never had a privacy. So even if you're working, we had an amgad that was walking around to see what you do on your computer. The work was relentless. Initially, we were working for 12 hours a day. we were not able to find any customers, they can ask us to work extra. So there were times that we actually worked for like 16 hours a day, more than 16 hours a day. That was for seven days a week.
Even on Christmas Day, we were working. New Year's Day, we were working. When we asked to leave from that place, they gave us a big bill saying, this is what we cost for you to take here. So you pay this bill and then you can go. I started telling them, guys, I want to go back home. I told them I want to go back home and they told me, if you want to go back home, you have to pay a fine of $30,000.
Ransom. Bosses demanded a ransom to release them. Ransoms they couldn't possibly afford. Workers did receive a salary, but it was nothing close to the wage they'd been promised. And even that would get whittled away. Every time they will tell some stories saying the dollar rate is up or we had to pay for your food we had to pay for your this we had to pay for your facebook account we had to pay for your instagram accounts we had to pay for your dating apps blah blah blah and they will
Sometimes they don't even give you anything because there have been so many deductions. Fail to perform and the consequences could be severe. If you mistakenly tell something to the customer and the customer doesn't talk to you, they say you've killed the customer, you get punished. My productivity went low. That is when the punishment started coming in.
There was a parking lot outside. And that place, it's really hot there. So they would make you run around the parking lot with a scorching sun. There was a lot of punishments in there, like you don't hit your targets. They electrocute you. They had these tasers that would come and electrocute you. We have colleagues there that we just didn't see them. They just disappeared? Yes.
Ethiopian, Chinese, and one Vietnamese. We just woke up one day. They didn't go to work. And they weren't scamming enough money? They cannot scam. The three of them weren't able to scan? Yes. And so do you think they were killed? Some of them telling us that their kidneys were sold. Because we have one Ethiopian there, he's still there. He's one kidney lost already. One of your colleagues... Yes, Ethiopian. ...is Ethiopian, and he didn't have a...
Yes, because he said it was sold because he cannot scam. There were some people that disappeared. If you break real desert, if you make them really angry, they'll kill you and throw in your river. And you won't know where you are. Inside that compound is every day we sleep, every day we wake up. We think to ourselves, OK, this might be my last day. In the fifth month, we were all sold. Jalil wasn't having any success.
The friend who'd recruited him had left a couple of months into Jalil's time there. Jalil doesn't know how he got out. I've heard that the criminals sometimes let people leave if they're able to recruit others to replace them. Jalil was demoralized. He was self-sabotaging. In fact, his whole company seemed to be struggling. We were sold to another company. In there, people are sold. You are slaves in there.
They were sold to another company within the same compound. So was Gavesh. I was sold three times. If we do not work properly, the office that I'm working can sell me. to a different office. So we just have to take our stuff, go to the other building. Gavesh says different companies were running different scams. One ran fake shopping websites. Another ran a fraudulent online job scheme. but pig butchering was at the centre.
So as time goes on, they say to me, I really need to add the numbers of customer because if I don't, they're going to send me to the second floor. So we knew that a second floor is where they send all the ladies to be sex workers. These businesses comprised entirely different sorts of criminal operations, sometimes side by side with scamming. There were bosses, there were HR guys, there were drivers. Everyone was made to wear a tag.
Your tag's colour denoted your role. Low-level workers like Gavesh wore blue. Translators were in yellow. Team leaders were in red. And then one level up, they were wearing black tags. And then the ash-coloured tags. In his many months inside, Gavesh only saw the ash-coloured tags a few times. But even those people had bosses.
Jalil would hear rumours about the kingpins at the top of the pyramid. The compound can be owned by some tycoon somewhere who is not even in Myanmar or not even in Thailand. Over their months in the compounds, Rita, Gavesh, Jalil and Sarah got occasional peeks behind the curtain. They would learn that this operation extended well beyond their office, or even the compound it occupied.
There wasn't one scam town in Myanmar, but several. It was only afterwards that each of them would learn which they had been in. They were at the lowest level of this network. They'd been lured to Myanmar, trafficked, and in some cases, sold. In a sense, they were as much a victim of all this as the scam targets abroad, like Shane Haynes, the Kansas Bank's CEO.
And these low-level scammers were left mostly in the dark about who was really in charge. But to them, there was one thing about this murky, sprawling business that was clear. The place was run by Chinese. The bosses were Chinese. And for the bosses, the scam compounds were a very different kind of place. It's incredibly debaucherous, bright lights, luxury, over-the-top decadence. It's that kind of hellhole. So what's going on in the rest of the scam complex?
And who had tricked Rita, Gavesh, Jalil and Sarah into becoming scammers in the first place? That's on the next episode. Scam Inc. is reported, produced and written by Sam Colbert and me. Our senior producer is Alizé Jean-Baptiste. Our sound designer is Weidong Lin. And the music is composed by Darren Ng. Editing is by Claire Reid and Rosie Bloor, with help from Heidi Pett. Our executive producer is John Shields.
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