In a final death pangs of a regime, they are at their most dangerous and there is a kind of scorched earth policy where the mullahs are saying if we go and the people of Iran will be left with a barren wasteland and we're going to kill as many of. You as you think. That's actually happening right now at the same time as they're weakened. We do have an amazing opportunity here.
So we're now in a situation where if the following diplomatic movements happen, you will see this regime go pretty quickly #1. Hello and welcome to the forecast. Iran is facing its most serious unrest in years, with protests sweeping the country despite a near total Internet blackout and a deadly response from security forces. Washington is threatening new
tariffs. Western governments are debating whether to escalate sanctions and blacklist the IRGC, and the German Chancellor says that he believed the embattled Iranian government is in its final days and weeks. I should also add that Washington is still threatening military action. The stakes, in other words, are rising far beyond Iran's borders. One of the most outspoken voices on what should happen next is the comedian and actor Omid Jalili.
Born in London to Iranian parents, he's been sharply critical of the regime and vocal about what he believes the international community must do next. Omid, good to have you on the. Floor to be here, Matt. Thank you. Let's start first of all about you, if I may, your connection with Iran. You just said your parents were born there. You know, How Iranian do you, especially in these days? I feel, I feel very Iranian. When we spoke, we spoke Persian
at home. The Iranian heritage was something that was I was very proud of. I went there twice when I was a kid, once when I was three, once when I was 6, and I always felt very proud. I was always talking about there was another kid at school who was Iranian in my class and we spoke Persian loudly and proudly. And then everything changed around 1979 and all the images on the BBC and everything was these fundamentalists and crazy people. So we kind of went quiet. I went shy.
I suddenly became name Chico from Milan. I did. I rejected MyHeritage. And of course there was a complication because I come from a persecuted minority. I'm a Baha'i and the Baha'is were also being slaughtered and executed. And it was something I was keeping quiet and was living with this very difficult thought that I felt Iranian, but also felt very rejected by other Iranians because of my the Baha'i faith that was my family's.
And how's that changed over the years, and especially at moments like this? Hugely. Things have hugely changed, I think as the regime has gone on. People kept quiet. You know, we talked about this, that Bahais were kind of killed and then they were thrown in a ditch and to get the bodies back you had to pay lots of money. And also the invoice included bullets, the bullets that were used to kill your loved ones. You had to pay for that. But the Iranian society kept quiet.
They said that's them, that's them, that's not us. And then as they started really persecuting people of all walks of life, all civilians in Iranian society, people thought this is wrong. And we have to like when, when they, we, we never spoke up for the Bahais. We never spoke up for the Baluchis or or the Jews. So now Iranian society absolutely speaks up for the Bahais. And we know there's an Internet
blackout at the moment. It's been going on for quite a few days and this is unprecedented 5 days. So what kind of information are you getting from Iran, from friends and relatives and how you're getting it? Yeah, we're getting it a little bit through VPN, Starlink, A lot of these things unfortunately in cut now. But a friend of ours unfortunately lost their
brother. And what was shocking was they said that to release the body, you pay the money and you also have to sign a document that this person was one of the regime forces killed by one of the protesters. Really. That's extraordinary. Extraordinary. You have to lie about you know you have. To lie about your otherwise don't get the body so. And pay money.
And I don't think they did. They're now the protesters saying we are not leaving the streets until they go, I mean, and they keep killing the people. When you consider the historical precedent that when you've had these extraordinary outbursts of rage in the past, and this is bigger than previous ones it seems, but we've had them in the past periodically the regime has prevailed with brutality at the end, yes. And so the big question is could this happen again? Could history repeat itself,
however tragic that maybe it? Could, but we have to be very careful in the West. Are we just going to parrot regime narratives? I mean this is The whole thing kicked off on the 29th of December. I went on the Guardian website and saw the first piece that the Guardian put out was an opinion piece by Abbas Arapchi, who's the Islamic regime foreign minister. And I said, what the hell are you doing, Guardian? What the hell? And then other people were
saying, well, this is a reality. You know, that there is a there is a line they're pushing and they're going to be quite quiet. So will history repeat itself in the sense that will there be another crackdown and we just move on? We have a real responsibility in the West to not keep parroting regime narratives and actually do something about it. And we can very simple actions. Well, we had a story on last night told by our reporter Poric O'Brien of, you know, two
families. In one case, their young daughter was killed. She was shot in the head, executed on the way home. And in another case, the kid was arrested, the young man was arrested, and he will face his execution on Wednesday. So that's unbelievable. That's no trial, you know, kangaroo court, you know, the usual stuff. And we've seen this before in Iran. I just wonder, from what you can glean, and we've asked this question to just about everyone,
what's different this time? Apart from the sweep, you know, and the numbers of cities engulfed in this rage, what is different this time? What is very different is a Gen. Z, the younger generations, I mean, my generation of people who saw the revolution of 79 happened, we just think, OK, we've not that we've checked out like nothing is going to happen. The younger people who were on TikTok and Instagram is open, you can see and they see freedoms in the West.
They don't understand why they don't have the freedoms. So which is very, very upsetting that a lot of those Gen. Z people, you know, Niko Sharkarami and all these young people were killed because they were standing. They were the first people in the front line. And even now we see the regime as following teenagers home after and shooting them in the head. So what's different now is also there's never been a figure that the people can get behind. There has to be an opposition
leader. One has emerged and his name is Reza Pahlavi, who is the son of the former Shah. And and of course, that rings alarm bells for a lot of people saying, oh, God, is this going to be, it's a legitimate concern that, oh, we're just going to have something worse and all that. But Reza Pahlavi is someone who is incredibly educated. Everything he said seems to be
very reasonable. And he's talking about coming back not to re establish the monarchy, but to help the country transition into a secular democracy. I want to talk about him a little bit later, but just, you know, dwelling on the young people especially, I mean, what's what's always struck me about Iran, and I've only been there once, and that was quite a long time ago. It was after 911 when we thought the things, you know, the Americans might attack Iran, you know, somehow.
And of course, they had nothing to do with 9/11 whatsoever, which didn't stop them from attacking Iraq. But what really struck me then, and what I've been told by my Iranian friends and colleagues all the time since then, is that this is a highly educated population. It prides itself on the number of PhDs on the great universities. And although it is a theocratic regime, it is also very secular in terms of its education.
Yes, it is not beyond the wit of man to imagine that young people who've been well educated want to share in some of the spoils and luxuries and entertainment and fun and information, you know, and intelligent ecosystem that other young people elsewhere are, you know, are participating in. And that's what's happening. Except the other government, yet again, is trying to stop it. That's actually brilliant. I'm so shocked because it was so brilliantly said.
Matt, thank you. And I think that is the the main thing is why Iranians are so offended by people saying, oh, this is an American LED revolution. It's an Israeli LED LED revolution. Iranians have agency. They're intelligent, they know history, and they know what they. Do it's an ancient civilization. It's an ancient civilization, the cradle of civilization that started in, in, in Persia. We're very proud of King Cyrus. There's some quotes of his on
the UN building. So we're, we're very proud of our heritage. I used to joke about the fact that, you know, our civilization brought you language and mathematics. We brought you a federal system of government running hot and hot and cold water while the early Britons were running around painting themselves blue and buggering wild boar. And when I did that in Ipswich, someone shouted out what's wrong with that? Which kind of said everything, It's Ipswich.
Yeah. So, so for, for, for me, this is something where we don't want to be patronised. We don't want we, we don't want to get involved in kind of the culture wars of Britain when it was very clear, you know, the Iranian people always supported Palestinian rights. In fact, there was a football match where the Iranian regime came out and they were flying a Palestinian flag. And it was quite shocking where the fans were singing stick that Palestinian flag up your backside.
And everyone was saying, why are they saying that? And it's not that they don't stand with Palestinians. They know that the Islamic regime is playing lip service to, they don't care about Palestinian rights. They only have two focuses. And I think people listening to this podcast need to be very clear on this. And this is not controversial. It's written down. There are two reasons why they're doing this and people saying that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So we stand with Iran because they're against Israel. Excuse me, Not only does Iran want the destruction of Israel, but if you look at the IRGC constitution, it is ultimately to kill all Jews everywhere. So if you're supporting Iran, that is the narrative you're support. Although the degree to which, for instance, Reza Pahlavi, the the son of the Le Char supports Israel and is supported by Israel, you know, is incredibly controversial.
And I've got, you know, Iranian friends have been texting me saying how dare you put anyone who is, you know, who is associated with Reza Pahlavi, you know, on your program because this guy is an Israeli stooge. Now, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that, but but the fact that the Iranian community, you know, is so divided amongst itself, yes, about who to support, who not to
support. There were 2020 Iranian opposition television channels here out of Los Angeles often called Terangeles because of the Iranian community alone. So there is division in your community whether you like it or not. That, that, that, that's no question of that. And you know, the the way Iranian culture is, we're we're divided in our families and we're divided whenever we all get together, we start fighting and start criticizing each other.
But I, I think what the Iranian people are trying to say, because people get very disturbed because why lots of Iranians, we stand with Israel and they've got lots of Israeli flags in their things. A lot, a lot of people like pro Palestine friends of Iranians saying, look, I can't really be supporting this if it's in any way supporting Zionism or, or Israel. So we can't conflate the two.
You know, people are getting killed in Iran, the Palestinians are being killed in Gaza. What Rezapallaby was was doing by meeting the, the, the, the Israeli people, I think he's trying to reflect Iranian society who say Israel, we have no, as the people, we have no problem with Israelis. I think that's the very, there's always a difference between the
people and their governments. So what the people of Iran are saying, we have no problem with Israelis and Israelis also have no problem with the with the normal Iranian side. So then you've got Donald J Trump. We should talk about. We should talk about Donald, right? Donald Trump, the president of the United States, who is, you know, who's sending out some conflicting messages here. So on one side, he says we're going to intervene. It's going to be tough.
We're going to pay them. You know, they're going to pay a heavy price, The regime that is for, you know, using any violence against peaceful protesters on the streets. Which they did repeatedly and still didn't do anything.
Right, exactly. So you've got that red line which seems to have, you know, been crossed and he's done nothing about it. And then you've got him threatening just last night, 25% sanctions against any country that does business with Iran, which would be, for instance, China and quite a few European countries as well. So, yeah, as someone who really wants to see change this time around, Omid, what would you like Donald Trump to do and not
to do? The former security minister Tom Tugenhat was on Andrew Marr and they were talking about this, where is Trump going to do anything? And Tom Tugenhat said he's already done something. He's he's got rid of Maduro and so Trump by cutting off Iran from Venezuela because they're very deeply connected.
And I think there was an idea that if the regime fell, a lot of the regime members would flee to Venezuela, where they set up supermarkets, they've set up all their car manufacturers and drone factories and missile factories. By cutting that off, that's also isolated the regime. So in one sense, even though it's a bit crazy what he's done, as far as the people of Iran are concerned, well done.
Right. I mean, Iran is not in the same position it was in even a year ago because we've had the 12 day war. We had the systematic destruction by Israel of Iran's proxies in the region. Severely weakened, right? Severely weakened. I mean, not total destruction, but severely weakened. Hezbollah's another one, the Assad regime has fallen. That was a massive ally, very important ally of the of the
ayatollahs. So Iran is in a much weaker position than it has been perhaps at any stage since 1979, since the revolution, do you think? But that makes it more brutal because this is it for them, right? This is the last chance saloon for this regime to survive. Or does it mean they're more likely to fold at some stage? This is a very good question and it's the the answer's going to be a little bit complex, but
I'll I'll give it a shot. You know, the in a final death pangs of a regime, they're at their most dangerous. And there is a kind of what you would call a scorched earth policy where the mullahs are saying if we go and the people of Iran would be left with a barren wasteland and we're going to kill as many of you. As you think that's something
right? Now that that's actually happening right now in the city of Rasht where they were trying to get the people to open up their shops, so begging them. And then when they didn't open up, they fire bombed all the shop, 200 shops. And they said this is what protesters do to you. So they're they're spinning that at the same time as they're weakened. We do have an amazing opportunity here. The people of Iran were asked 10,000 of them, what do you actually want? 10,000 people.
And this human rights organization distilled it down to two specific requests. One, leave us alone politically. When this regime is gone, we'll deal with us. What we're going to do politically and #2 what would really help us is if you put the Islamic Republican Guard Corps, the IRGC, put them on the terrorist list because there is a domino effect here. And, and it's a big the, the British government has not done it. And there's many reasons for it because maybe you want to keep
the British Embassy open. That brings Intel. And I think the Americans may have asked the Brits to keep it open. And that's fair enough. We get it because. America has no diplomatic representation. Not hasn't that because they've put the the. Embassy was seized and you know, you know, and diplomats take it hostage. The IGC is on the terrorist desk in America.
So, so we're now in a situation where if the following diplomatic movements happen, you will see this regime go pretty quickly and as from the request of the reigns #1 for their safety, get the British people, the British Embassy in Tehran, flown back immediately. Get them out. Two, close down the embassy and three, freeze the assets and then then put the IRGC on the terrorist. Because if you do this, which is very important, the regime gets isolated. There's no more money coming
through. All the people who are in, who work with them, India, China will have to distance themselves and the regime will be but. I'm not sure if that's right there because they're already to some extent isolated.
There are already many sanctions in place and and they have their friends in Beijing, they have their friends in Moscow, they have their friends in Pyongyang and that you know that axis of resistance as they like to call it, it kind of works for them it. Kind of works but you see as British people who we believe in human rights, we believe in standing up for the oppressed and if we don't take these actions a lot of British people ask me, well, what do we what do
we now this is very. Important about our conscience or no? No, no, actually changing the reality. It is about changing the reality, but it's also about our conscience because people are asking this question. British friends of mine are saying by not putting the IRGC on the terrorists, it means we're somehow involved with this regime. Do we really want to be in business with these people they've just killed? Reportedly, we don't know for sure. They've just killed 12,000
protesters. Now we come from a generation where we saw Tiananmen Square, we saw the Berlin Wall come down, we saw these things happen with our own eyes unfold before us. 12,000 is if that is true, that's a massive this is the one of the most amazing stories ever. But if the Brits don't take any action, and they've been silent so far, British people are going to say are we?
Complicit. But we know that especially British involvement with in Iran is an incredibly sensitive subject because the Brits were involved back in the 1950s with the removal of Mossadegh, A democratically elected Iranian Prime Minister. You know stuff. Right, No, but I think, you know that is so. If we suddenly say things, this government says things and stands up there, there will be no. Finish what you were saying? No, but what You got rid of him
because he had got rid of them. Yeah, this is very important that people know. All those petroleum companies came in because you've got oil here. We can drill it for you because what are you going to give us? We'll give you a percentage, probably 30-40, maybe 50%. He was. They were there for a while and they never gave a single penny. So Mossad there got rid of them. And then for 60,000 it's all covered in a film called Coup 53 directed by Walter Murch, who did all the Godfather movies.
They, they never gave them pennies. So Mossad they got rid of them. And then to fire back they, they spent £60,000 and created a revolution to get rid of Mossad there. And then they brought the monarchy back. OK, So what I'm trying to say is that any kind of foreign meddling in Iran, you know, especially from the Brits and the Americans, is seen with deep suspicion by the people. Yes. Understandably. But here's the thing.
Obama has now very clearly said that when there was a green movement, when NEDA was shot in the head, the green revolution, the green revolution, that was unbelievable. And we really thought that was it. Obama had a chance to do something and he never did. Instead, he signed the JCOJOCAP deal. The. Iran nuclear deal. The Iran nuclear. Enrichment for fewer sanctions.
Yes, exactly. And apparently billions of dollars were passed to America. And he's now said, I regret that that was a real chance to get rid of him. Now we're in a situation going back to Donald Trump. We're in a situation where he can intervene somehow. We don't know how, but the people on the ground believe this would be America righting the wrongs of the past.
And, and that is one way, if Donald Trump wants to become a hero overnight and possibly even get a Peace Prize in 2026, if he was to wrong to right the wrongs historically of all that meddling. And by the way, all that meddling is why we saw Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, that all that kind of stuff is, is the stuff that is given that makes people worry about Iran right now that he could actually right
a lot of those wrongs. So if the Americans were to launch military strikes, right, against Khamenei or against the Revolutionary Guard installations or whatever, what makes you think that that would actually work? That would first. Of all I never said that. I never said that. What makes? Well, I mean, but you but you that. Makes Iranians think that. That makes Iranians think that because it would if they were during the 12 day war with
Israel, which is very weird. I was very upset, you know, to see, I mean, quite a few 100 people died and you don't want to see war. You don't want to see but a lot of Iranians inside Iran. Were cheering them on. They kept taking out the heads of the IRGC. The next person to cover, they took him out. They killed so many. I even got an e-mail declaring me the head of the IRGC and I respectfully turned it down because I wasn't quite happy with their workplace security
arrangements. So that was a little joke I've been doing, but people in Iran were kind of cheering that on because we know all the oppression comes from the IGC. Thousands, 100 thousands of people have died in Syria, 100,000 people died in Iran because the IGC.
So when you're killing those people, I'm speaking for the people of Iran. There's not, I'm not just saying there's not me, but I'm saying they were kind of cheering it on. So I'm not saying I'm never would stand up for war, But if there is some kind of military action, which would, I would say, neutralize the threat of the people who are actually killing the people on the ground right now, young people, young girls, teenagers, if that was to
be stopped somehow, I would think the people of Iran would be. They wouldn't say no. And just on the numbers, I mean, again, the numbers are sketchy because we're not on the ground. I think human rights groups are saying 2000 roughly have been killed by the authorities in in recent weeks. The numbers of arrest I think is at about 11,000 or more. But again, we don't know the exact numbers. Yeah, that is a significant number of people to mow down in order to stay in power.
Whether it's 12,000 or 2000 even even. But two or three numbers do not, I mean, let's, you know, we don't need to exaggerate the numbers because they're bad enough as it is, right? So. We agree on that, absolutely. OK. By the way, they're starting the executions on January the 14th. I mean, one of the problems, I guess, with any revolution, one of the challenges is that you do need a unifying figure.
So the Iranian revolution of 7879 had Ayatollah Khomeini Khomeini, who was based in Paris at the time, as the unifying figure. They used the network of the mosques, you know, and of course, the Islamic faith in order to organize the revolution which worked for them. What is the unifying figure genuinely now and what is the unifying structure around which people can organize, you know, some kind of, you know, successful revolution against
this regime? It's very clear that an opposition leader is is emerging. It's Reza Palavi, who's the son of the Shah, and he's someone who's been directing things from outside the country now. He's he directing them? He is he just jumping on the bandwagon? No, he is absolutely directing people what to do to do. He's been speaking through Tanois in cities and saying, go on to Iran International. There's a live broadcast, scan your QR codes and join the
people. And it's like saying, you know, the revolution will be televised with QR codes. So he, he is, he's directed. Does he want a resurrection of the monarchy? Does he want to sit on a new throne? He said he wants to come back and transition the country to a secular democracy. Do. You believe him? Personally, I have to say he's an educated man. I I can't imagine that he would want to live in Iran. I can't imagine that he would stay longer than a year, 2
years. But if they're if the people, because when they're on the ballot get used to it, he might get used to it. And on the ballot paper, if people do want to monarchy, they will have to put that down like a constitutional monarchy that runs longer, a secular government. Do I believe it like here? Yeah, exactly. Do I believe him? I I don't know. I've never met him. I like the look of him. I like the cut of his jib. I like everything. He seems very reasonable.
Everything he says is very educated. He speaks Persian, French and English absolutely fluently. And whatever he represents, it's a damn sight better than these people, these regime people with their nonsense. But they're kind of fundamental. So it's basically people have a choice. Do you want fundamentalist or do you want someone who's educated? That seems to be. The choice but but the but the regime will say do you want us or do you want to go back to the thing that we removed with
another revolution? Yeah. And I think right now you can hear I, I've gone through maybe 1200 videos, I would say with hand on heart confidence, about 6 or 700 of those videos of the protesters are all calling for his name and they're actually calling for a monarchy back which. I'm watching a lot of TV. I don't. I'm not sleeping. I haven't had sleep. Yeah, I've not slept for maybe the last two weeks. I've probably had about 12 hours
sleep. I care not just as an Iranian, as a human being who's into human rights, this is the most incredible story unfolding before our very eyes. And if you really want to be with the people and human rights, watch what these people are doing. Because against all odds, I've seen videos of, you know, security forces with guns shooting at young guys who were still running forward dropping. But I just think, my God, look at the Kishka's on these guys. They won't stop.
And that is why it's the most incredible story unfolding on the planet right now. I mean, as we know with some revolutions, when they take place, if they overthrow the existing people in power, what, what sometimes follows is civil war, chaos, the complete, you know, disintegration of the country. We saw that in Libya, for instance. Libya is in the, you know, was in a very, very bad state after the the removal of Colonel
Gaddafi and his death. Is that something that you are prepared as a British Iranian to put up with if it if that's the cost of getting rid of the IT dollars? I will say this, that is a legitimate fear. And if anyone thinks that or expresses that, that's absolutely fine. What we, what we won't tolerate is people saying this is all Israeli LED and American LED. We don't tolerate that. But that is a legitimate fear. But as we said before, Iranians have the agency.
And you said to yourself, they're some of the most educated people. So I think I would like to think they're learning from history. But it is an it's a real worry, which is why even if this regime is overthrown, I'll still be watching to see what's going on because I'm nervous. I'm worried you don't know if the country will descend into chaos. You just don't know. If in three weeks time or a month's time the protests have died down, it may happen. I'm not saying it will happen,
but it might happen. Are you still going to be watching every night? You're still going to be, you know, engaged with the same degree of interest that you are now. I will I will keep yes, if if this drags, I'm going to I'm in it for the long haul. Basically whether even Tom Tugan hat the the Minister for Security. In the previous government of. The previous, yeah, even Tom Tugan hat though Minister for Security of the previous government, he said, look, the
regime are gone. Whether it's announced in the next few days, next week, we wait until Norouz, which is March 21st or maybe at the end of the year, it's going to happen. So I'm in it for the long haul. And it's it's just something I have to, I'm resigned to this. It's something I can't stop watching. And then if this regime goes, which we believe is an inevitability, I'll be keeping an eye and doing what I can to help raise awareness and hopefully they will have some
kind of democracy. It's hard to see how any regime that governs by coercion more than by consent. And of course there are some people in Iran who still believe in the regime because their jobs depend on it. Whatever. It's hard to see if you're just governing mainly by coercion, that you can string this out. It's impossible. And and and you. Know but it but it could be months, it could be weeks, it could even be years. And in that time, an awful lot
of stuff could happen. I will say this, which I think is very, very important. Yes, there are a lot of people who are ruled by coercion, which is why I've been asked. I mean, as a member of the Baha'i Faith, we've had a lot of persecution. From the you know about. This. Yeah, from the mullahs and all this. But I will say this to the people of Iran because they're talking about killing mullahs, the two, about stringing them up from lamp posts.
I honestly believe a lot of those mullahs have to keep quiet and toe the party line. A lot of them don't believe in this nonsense. A lot of them could be great people. So I would ask the people of Iran don't go around killing and burning mullahs because a lot of them are probably and we've seen some mullahs come out. They were saying down with this regime. This is this is not Islam. And I think it's we've. Also seen protesters burn mosques. We see, yeah. But this is very important for
people to know. The people of Iran have no problem with Islam. We have a problem with fanaticism and fundamentalism. And all my Muslim friends have said this is not Islam. They're actually giving a terrible name to religion. So I'd like to say to the people of Iran, don't go around randomly. I think a lot of the mullahs need to be brought to account but don't kill them because a lot of them have been paying lip service because if they don't support this regime, they'll be
killed by the regime. One more, I mean, President Trump has threatened to intervene and he might be the kind of, you know, the intervention that the people like you, lots of Iranians are yearning for. At the same time, President Trump is also on the record with his actions and his words for tearing up, you know, human rights agreements. You know, he's just pulled the US out of 66 bodies, you know, many of them to do with the UN, many of them to do with human rights.
Are you confident that that he's doing this, you know, for the sake of the Iranian people? Of course not. Of course not. At the end of the day, who knows what's going on? What are the machinations going on? Maybe there's a deal going on right now, like, OK, Pallavi, you're going to come in. What's in it for us? Maybe that's going on. Nobody knows you. You can't say hand on heart. Because last time I checked, Iran has a lot of the stuff that
Trump really likes. Oil. Oil. Yes, exactly like. Venezuela. Lots of oil, yeah. No question he is a deal maker. And I think what what Iran, Iran is a pragmatist realist. We are hoping that if if there is a deal going on, it'll, it'll end up being for the people of Iran because at the moment they seem to be expendable. The people of Iran, like we can talk about Gaza and speak out for them, but no one really cares about the people of Iran they're getting. I think they do.
I think. I think. I like to think people do, you know, but, but with with regards to your question, does Trump actually believe in the human rights of the Iranian people? I would say I don't know, I can't. He says he does. He says he does. But but we kind of understand if a deal is in place somehow, vaccinations behind the scenes, that happens. Hopefully it'll be for the people of Iran and not against them. Omid Jalili, we'll leave it there.
Thank you very much indeed for coming on the forecast. Thank you very much. That's it for the forecast. I hope you enjoyed it. See you next time.