Live better and longer with the fitness show hosted by fitness expert author and tv personality Fitz Kohler she'll tell you why diets are dumb supplements are snake oil and the truth about how you can earn a lean hard pain-free and athletic body now for our favorite bossy blonde Fitz Kohler. Hi team, I'm Fitz Kohler, your very noisy and proud fitness expert and recent announcer from Fitzness.com and welcome to the show. Very proud because once again, my brilliant daughter is joining me.
If you do recall, we had surprising sex facts with Ginger a couple of months ago and And possibly one of my most popular episodes of recent history. Folks went crazy about it. So as promised, I'm bringing the Miss Ginger back on the Fitsness Show. And she's got so much to share today. And I can't wait to hear it. Just so you know, I have no idea what she has planned to talk about. She's asked me what I wanted to talk about. And I just said, Ginger, I don't know what you know.
So you conjure up a topic of things that you know that you like to share. And I'll be surprised. So really excited to get to that. If you haven't done so already, make sure you click follow on the Fitsness show wherever you are and leave me a review. Say something nice. Hopefully nothing hostile, but whatever. I'll take what you got. I just want to see your name pop up in those reviews and then you get extra points.
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How are you today? I'm good today. I'm lazy today. That's my goal today. I'd be lazy. I start school tomorrow, so I'd, one more day of peace. That's right. So let's remind everybody what your credentials are, because they're pretty significant. I should have done that, but go ahead and tell folks. Let's see if even I can remember them. I tend to forget. So what I'm studying right now, I'm a student at UF and I studied journalism where I have a focus in women's studies.
And I typically write all of my reporting on sexual health related topics. And I'm also a student into theories and politics of sexuality. I will be leaving with a dual degree. So I'm a junior going into my senior year. And I've written for three magazines as a sex columnist. I write for the local paper sometimes. I go to presentations around campus. And as much as I'm learning lots in my degree, I find that the most I have really learned about this subject is I really love to read.
I read and I read different sex ed research articles and things like that. And I've conducted some research over the years of my own. And so I just, sex education is just kind of on a constant loop through my brain, trying to learn new things. And then of course you learn from the people around you. Once you start talking on that subject, trust me, people want to talk. So yeah, Yeah, I just, I love studying sex ed and I like studying fun sex ed specifically because I think there's too much fear.
In it right now, but yeah. Right. And if you, if, if you're with the right person or I guess with yourself, sex could and should be wonderful, right? A wonderful part of a healthy person's life. Yeah. I mean, there is such a small section of the population that is having sex solely for procreation. Most people are having it for fun or some aspect of it.
Hopefully, even if you are doing it for procreation, that it is fun, but even whether you're a nun or a prostitute, like you experience sexuality in some way and you should learn about it. That's my philosophy. But yeah, I'm here to talk about fun, interesting sex things because sex isn't all about STIs. That's right. Okay. So the greatest feedback, well, I got such great feedback from your last show with me.
And if folks, if you haven't done so yet, go back in the history of the Fitsness Show because Ginger's been my guest a few times. And I think all of our episodes are doozies. You are such a wonderful guest. Surprise, surprise. But I had so many friends reach out and say, oh my gosh, I can't believe you had that conversation with your daughter. They just were all, I don't know, they had the heebie-jeebies or whatever, but they loved it. They loved it too.
So what are your thoughts about having these conversations with me and have your friends listened and do they have any thoughts about it?
I don't think any of my friends have listened though lots of my friends are always like you should have a podcast I'd listen, which might be in the future but we'll see as for having the conversation with you, I don't know I mean I've definitely grown a lot in that area because probably until I was like 17 or 16 I couldn't say the word period out loud which literally has nothing to do with sex And I mean, I was so, so deeply scared of having those conversations that y'all made.
I mean, we made the decision when I was in like fifth grade to pull me out of the sex ed program because I was too scared to go into it. Right. Which honestly, I think ended up sparking me into this interest a lot more because once I learned about it, I felt like I was way behind everyone else. And I just like I felt super scared. And I definitely didn't like talking about it with you at all. I mean, I didn't like talking about anything related.
I mean, even periods, which are so natural and not at all inappropriate, was just completely not okay for me.
And then my interest in sex ed really had like nothing to do with actually wanting to having sex it was just i don't know the subject is so interesting to me it's like doctors you know you don't want to be sick you just i don't know you might learn about it it's because i always get a question how did you get into this and for me it was just i think i was behind and when i started catching up i was like wait this is super interesting and i just took it way farther like Like,
I was committed to wanting to be a sex educator before I had had my first kiss. So it's very unrelated to all that. And then, I mean, when I started bringing up the topics to Fitzy over here, my madre, it was related to, like, the research that I was doing. Yeah. And it was like, oh, I'm studying sex ed in school and I'm studying this. I read this in a book or whatever. And then I think we were kind of able to ease into those conversations through that.
And we definitely hold, to some extent, a boundary where, you know, we're not like yapping about our own sex lives to each other all that much. Though I think there, you know, we have a understanding that that's appropriate if we need to.
Too but definitely I I think you just at this point see it as like that's gender like she's just gonna talk about it like if Parker was talking about the same thing I was talking about my other my brother I think you'd be like whoa a little bit but I think because it comes from me and everyone just knows that that is just the thing that I like to talk about and it's such a. It feels like a platonic interest in the subject that nobody really bats an
eyelash when I do it, including my mom, my dad, my grandma. I talk about this with my grandma, all my friends. I walk into a room and I'm like, so how's the sex? And they're like, that's just Ginger. That's just her. So I think that's how we're able to do it. So I love your perspective. It's funny as a wee little one, you might have been two or three. We used to say girl parts and boy parts, and then I threw out the word vagina, and you like that, and penis, oh my gosh, did you use that one?
And then we heard this clip where Oprah, she was doing a trapeze, and I guess she landed or swung to the bottom of the trapeze with this harness, and she said, my vajayjay is be painting, and you just jumped on that.
Added so vajayjay became your word for a very long time i don't think there are many other three-year-olds running around shouting vajayjay but it's funny because you've always had and you're so silly that you're the person who can talk about this stuff because you're so comfortable with silliest silliness and the more outrageous something is i find the more interested you are in communicating about it but yeah i want folks i and i definitely think
i don't know i feel like I always had a fascination with those types of things because even before I really had a grasp on sex or had an interest in that, because even when I learned about it, I was very distant from it. I was like, I don't want to know more about that. I don't want to know more. I was very interested in pregnancy. That was something that I remember trying to learn a lot more about. And that's still something that really fascinates me.
But yeah, I mean, it's funny how I was so comfortable. And then I don't know if you've seen the Inside Out movies, but I feel like I went through the Riley phase where the, where the just like fear and the embarrassment emotions came through in middle school and like got me on a chokehold. But once I started coming into myself again, I feel like that interest, just that comfortability really came back. Yeah, for sure. And, and I, if you don't mind me sharing in fourth grade,
you were in a mixed class. It was fourth graders and fifth graders. And the fifth graders went off to sex ed, left the fourth graders in the class behind. And through mutual friends, I was told that those fifth graders had learned about their periods and so forth. And I thought, well, those 10 year old girls are gonna come back and give some sort of convoluted version of this period thing to my nine year old. So I felt like I needed to tell you, so you didn't freak out.
And so we went to McAllister's, we were having lunch and I broached the subject of a period and you looked at me and you cried and you said, don't you ever tell me anything like that again. And you ran off to the bathroom crying. And so, so then I waited, I was like, okay, she's not ready. When it came to sex ed the next year, you wanted nothing to do with it. I think you were the only child in fifth grade who I didn't want to do.
And I didn't want to force you in there. I figured, okay, we'll talk about it when you're ready. And then eventually you were, and then eventually you said, mom.
You're avoiding talking to me. And I said, no, no, no, no. You told me not to talk to you about this so yeah I think what it was is like looking back on it I think when you told me about periods it sounded so scary and yeah they are I'm gonna throw that out there they are incredibly scary and were incredibly awful when I got them so I just assumed that because that was happening down there and that was scary as hell to be like in extreme pain and bleeding out and potentially having babies that
the rest of it must be equally terrifying if not more i was like there's more i don't want more so little did i know that it was something that could be awesome periods can't be awesome i'm gonna say that they're not awesome is i don't know pros i mean some people babies but if you don't want to if you're not in a place where you're trying to have a baby be yeah they're a burden they're a burden yeah okay so let's get into it you have what's our topic for today
so today we are going to talk about laws about sex and the reason i wanted to talk about this was that i heard about a law in texas and i had heard all these other crazy laws this law in texas was like you're limited to owning six dildos at a time that was a lot i. Was like that's crazy and it actually was crazy because it's not particularly true in that way like it was an exaggerated version so that law specifically and i'll get into a bunch more ones so they're not as crazy as i was picturing
they'd be but there are a lot of interesting topics, but that one texas made it at some point illegal for a person to own a certain amount of toys unless they had a special permit to sell them. Oh. So that's what it was. So it was crazy. You could go... But you could have more guns without ever getting a background check in Texas than you can have sex toys for a period of time. Okay, so let's discuss that because all I'm imagining is some legislator gets
voted in that they're going to represent the people and this is what they come up with. You know what? These gals, these people, and guys too, they're just having too much fun with their sex toys.
So a handful that's it because there's a lot of places that have had laws against sex toys, that's classic that's a big one we that's one of the other ones so i'll just go down find that i have a list of things i don't have them memorized you know i want to go back i want to find out what what legislator yeah came up with this law because then let's i don't know stomp on there No, no, no. We don't want that. But I just, I'm going to see, what does this person look like? Are they?
Yeah. And if you don't want people to go have, you know, casual sex, right? Perhaps you would say, go get yourself a dozen toys and use them on your own. So that's the thing. To me, that is the thing. Like people will freak out about all the bad things that can happen when people have actual sexual sex like intercourse like you could get stis you get raped you could get all these horrible things can happen when you have sex it's usually good lots of terrible possibilities.
None of that can happen when you have a sex toy sex toys are, What's the worst that can happen unless you use one that's meant to be used differently? Like they are used entirely consensually. Yeah. They are assuming you are cleaning them and using them with yourself. They're not a vector for disease. They are like there's I think people hate the idea of them because they seem like some sort of extra dirty thing.
But like i know a couple people whose moms when they were like 17 or so was like if you want something i'll buy it for you because it's a really safe and healthy way to explore sexuality so to me crazy thing to ban right right well you know what it's funny you just made the gun comparison guns don't ever just stand up off the table and shoot people right it's always in the hand of the wrong person and so a sex toy and unless someone
doesn't i don't know unless Unless a bad guy comes at you with a sex toy, I would imagine encouraging independent use of them would be... I think it's a more than productive... I don't think there's anything dirtier about sex toys than there is any other aspect of sex. Because if anything, they are one of the most safe and effective vectors for people to use.
They are also an extremely great way to learn about yourself and understand yourself so So that when you have a partner, you can communicate those things. And they're a great reason. All these, I mean, masturbation is so villainized specifically in women. One of the activities that we had in a class of mine that really opened my eyes is my teacher said, all right, list all of the names for male masturbation you've got.
Jerking off, wanking it, like all these different things. And that female masturbation, how many can you think of? Maybe like three? Like it is so normalized for men to masturbate and not at all for women. And therefore all these young women are going out and having sex before they're ready to, because they think that is the only way to receive pleasure. And it's not. Do you know my favorite nickname for female masturbation? And I didn't even know it was a thing was she bop.
It was Cindy Lauper had a song back in the day. She bops. And apparently that's about masturbation. Did you know this? I didn't know that. See, I am dropping a sex tidbit on you right now, but yeah, maybe, maybe sometimes we could sit down and create a bunch of stupid lingo to share. Yeah. Yeah. That could be a quality mother daughter time for us. Yeah. You know, things that are important things, the important things that and getting my passport.
We can do that. Make sure to schedule out a time for those two things. Number two. Other. Well, I'll expand a little. Other places where sex toys are just fully illegal. The Maldives, Thailand, India, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia. And if you're caught with a sex toy going through Vietnam customs, you have to hand it over, but you can get it back when you leave. So they stash it for you. They're not monsters. Okay. Very nice. Very, very friendly. And that's Vietnam.
Wow. Oh, no, no, no. That was Thailand. Thailand. Okay. I'm sure. It was Vietnam. It was Vietnam. Okay. Right. Okay. Sorry. Thailand was one of them, but Vietnam's the one where you can get it back. I'm sure all of my listeners right now are taking copious notes. Like, okay, Thailand. Okay. The song Shebop. Yeah. You couldn't listen to Shebop in Uganda.
Okay. Wouldn't be allowed because the Ugandan parliament passed an anti-pornography bill in 2014 and they invested a bunch of money, like $300,000 on like a pornography detection machine.
Machine but and you can if you are caught with pornography you can be locked up for up to 10 years so it is not a small offense there but porn isn't just what we think of as porn aka like the movies and the the film pornography is also considered like audio recordings writing and erotic music so you can't like Megan Thee Stallion is a no-no there definitely not yeah she's she's a hands-down villain yeah i will say i i tried to really check all these laws but some of the articles were
not like the most recent but all of them in the past like five three years but still that was a recent thing if not a current law okay so interesting very interesting okay um. Okay. Masturbation, illegal in Indonesia. So, where does the enforcement of that? I want to see the law enforcement peeping in your window, creeping over the shower wall. I mean, it's all got to be word of mouth, right? But you can go to jail for up to two and a half years or over two and a half years. 32 months.
So, interesting. Interesting. When I was walking the dogs today, ran into a guy who was saying, blah, blah, blah. My wife is concerned. There was a guy she thought was masturbating on a bench or whatever. Like, throw the book at that guy a little bit, right? Yeah. Yeah. If you're alone in your own darn bed. Yeah. In your own bed. Who cares? Who cares? cares. And then I want to, I actually, it would be fun to do research.
Maybe I'll assign my intern to this, to find research of somebody who actually was convicted of masturbation and put away. That would be very interesting to learn about. That would be interesting. Yeah. That's kind of what I boil down to with all, almost all of these laws is who cares? What were you thinking? Who, why do you care? And then, I mean, I chose to exclude a bunch, but there are just so many laws that have happened in the United States history.
And it's just like, who cares? Who cares? It's not affecting you. Like, that's what I'm... Like, sodomy. You know what sodomy is? Define sodomy. Getting it in the can when maybe you don't want it. Getting it in the can when you don't... What's the can? Your tush, your booty, your bum. Anal rape? That's what you think sodomy is? Yeah. No. No, because that's what I think most people think it is. Okay, true. And we'll get to why that's important. So, sodomy is sex,
any sexual act that is not intended to create a child. It's not intended for procreation. Huh. Well, that definition has been skewed big time because for general purposes. Yeah, so sodomy is... It's weird. Sodomy is oral sex. It's anal sex. It is straight people intercourse if you are wearing a condom or if you are on birth control. That's considered sodomy.
And sodomy is, I believe, a term that was used biblically, but it was specifically in the, I mean, in the United States, I'm going to talk about, obviously there's other places that have done this, but specifically in the United States, the term sodomy was used to target gay people.
Sodomy was banned in, I'm going to list the states, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia. Sodomy has been banned in all of those states and it was banned And specifically to target gay people. Like, though sodomy is technically also against oral sex with straight people, they weren't arresting straight people. They were only arresting gay men.
And sodomy was actually only overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2003, which is recent, relatively. That's when I was born. But a lot of these states still have these laws on the books. Thanks. Okay. Every state I mentioned are states that still have sodomy against the law in the books. That's crazy. Yeah, I know. And then there were more states. Who cares? That's what I'm saying. Who cares? I mean, what they cared about is they were homophobic.
That's what it was. They weren't, very rarely were they targeting those good old straights. Like this was their roundabout way to hit the gays where they wanted them. But then people started making the argument like, okay, if you're going to arrest this guy, like you also got to arrest rest yourself, poogie bear. Like what are you doing? But yeah. So it's interesting because I think that term has been completely shifted and a lot of religious people will use like,
well, the Bible says you shouldn't like sodomy isn't good. To be fair, I've never read the Bible. Don't know that it says that. I just feel like I've heard that as somebody who's outside of the sphere. I hear sodomy being used as like a negative term and specifically in ways against And I'm like, but, but it's all like even married people having sex for pleasure with a condom is considered sodomy. That's what sodomy is. Interesting.
That's interesting tidbit. And then I think if you're a consenting couple of whatever gender, then you want to get in the can. Nobody ever says like, hey, let's do sodomy tonight or I want you to sodomize me. I just. Sodomize it up. Sodomize. How about a little sodomy tonight, right? Yeah. Yeah. But, but, but that actually means any sex that's not trying to make a baby. Yeah. Sodomy laws, foolish, but interesting. Go on.
This is one that I think you will be like, talk about Missouri, but this, these laws are in the books in many, many States. I just think I think Missouri is specifically a good example. So in Missouri, any house that has four or more unrelated females living together is considered a brothel and therefore falls into the category of illegal sex work. Wow. And yeah. And this is I mean, New York has these laws on the books, Nevada, California, Texas, Louisiana, females only.
This is not applied to men. So it's wow. Completely sexist. And so though this law is widely considered unconstitutional, it's not something that is playing out in the courts right now because it has been considered like nullified. But nevertheless, how this is really making its impact currently is that in many states, schools will refuse to have sorority houses because they fear the brothel lots that are still in the books.
Yeah, so there's a lot of, if you hear about the schools where they don't have sorority houses, but they have chapters, that's usually wise because they'll be considered a brothel. Oh, that's fascinating. That is a good, interesting tidbit you brought to the table, Ginger. All of these have been really, really good. And so, huh. The Golden Girls. Brothel. Brothel. Brothel. I've lived in a brothel. Yeah. Yeah. I've lived in several brothels at this point.
That's fascinating. Huh. You know, what would be interesting is for a governor to just go to read through all the laws. I'm sure there's a colossal amount of laws, but to just sit there every night and kind of red pen some of this old, silly garbage that might have been really relevant if you were in the 1920s, but enough's enough.
Just let's get it off our books. Yeah, I think it's interesting because so many of these laws, they're like, they're bad laws, but it's like, I think people essentially are like, well, nobody's really using them. So it's too much work to get them off the books. So we'll keep them. But then what happens is sometimes when, you know. XYZ people want to target another group or whatever, they're able to use them like the sodomy laws.
They don't use them for everyone. They only use them for this specific group that they're trying to target. And in this case, women. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. It seems like old, outdated garbage laws. I get it that we're supposed to evolve.
So I find it hard to cast judgment on people who who made choices 200 years ago and 100 years ago you know you do what you know and not all of the people who were doing things that were kind of mean were they just the whole society hadn't evolved as well so i don't want to pigeonhole everybody you don't have to dwell on it but it's important to acknowledge that like hey wasn't good right like great president did a lot of great things did he own slaves yeah he did yeah not good yeah not good
george but he also started a cool country so yeah rocking with george sometimes yeah not but you know things like that it's it's you don't have to freak since we've learned but nevertheless important to talk about it so we don't repeat the mistakes smart girl look at look i made you and you're so smart yeah i'm back in third grade history class really pounding down that concept another law okay bad bad in many places still but this has been a problem in the united states as well for a long time
condom possession can be used as evidence of prostitution so excellent yeah well not excellent i'm just yeah sarcasm i'm I'm hoping our listeners understand sarcasm. And like New York, this law only ended in 2014. So only in the last 10 years has this law been taken off the books, which is – I mean, I'll explain why it's an extremely detrimental law because it's oftentimes condoms in like big quantities, which in that case, I would be so arrested because I have 3,000 condoms sitting
in my living room that I give out to people. Right. They would take me in a minute. They would snatch me off the street. And what do they charge you with? Prostitution. Prostitution. Yeah, that's considered like if it used to be if you were walking around New York with 50 condoms in your purse, prostitution. Yeah. That's enough evidence. Yeah. Which is really problematic because number one, not really hard evidence. Not really hard evidence. So God forbid you're a sex educator like me.
But even so, it puts prostitutes in this position and prostitution itself is a extremely, it's a challenging subject because it becomes one of those things, it's a loop. So if you get charged with being a prostitute, no one will hire you. You have to go back into the sex work.
So it can, it's a really hard thing to take on, but it puts people who are sex workers in this position where they have to choose either they have unsafe sex and risk getting a terrible STI, or they try to have safe sex and they risk getting arrested. And so it's not stopping people from being prostitutes. That law in no way, shape, or form encourages people to not go into prostitution. The only thing it does is makes people who are in that industry way less safe.
And though, I mean, California had that law, Louisiana had it, but not anymore more in the United States, but in Kenya, South Africa, China, Russia, India, it is still a very big problem, especially in Kenya right now. And in Kenya, I believe also, I don't want to mix Kenya up with South Africa, but in one of those countries right now. It has been allowed, I believe, that clinics are allowed to deny sex workers and both sex workers and trans people health care.
So like STI clinics, people, places that specialize in health care, the people that probably need it most are they're just allowed to deny them any health care. So that's very interesting. I know I kind of went on a tangent there.
That's all right. One thing leads to another. other I like the way you're thinking beyond just the basic rule itself it's what the what the rule or the law leads to behaviorally right yeah yeah that one I mean there's an incredible, there are several incredible TED talks from sex workers that I I mean I highly encourage people listen to because I think oftentimes we look at sex work as like a super black and white issue you either you like it or you don't you know what i mean and then you say
it's illegal not illegal based on that thought process but like it really is such an intricate issue because i'm one of those people who like i i definitely struggle with the concept of like can you have consensual sex when there is money involved i i don't know if you can but nevertheless i i'm not i'm not a make sex work illegal kind of gal because...
There are just so many implications like this of the laws we put against sex work where it's like, oh, you think let's use condoms to, you know, to take down the sex workers. But in reality, you're just making the STI spread like 10 times worse. That's what you're doing. There's all these very, I don't know, there's offshoots of these issues. And they had some, there's some great insight. TEDx, I mean, they have excellent speakers all the time on all sorts of different issues.
But I highly recommend listening to the ones on sex work because they're ones that I'll listen to over and over again and just take something new out of every time. Interesting. Interesting. I've seen some interesting documentaries on sex workers. And a sad thing is some of them make a lot of money, but from their words is that it's sad. It's a vicious cycle. It's not what they wish they were doing. They are stuck. So they feel, right?
Yeah. Many, many do. It's, though it can be a profession people choose, and I think that's worth acknowledging, it's not one that most people are choosing. Thank goodness.
Yeah and it's it's but those people who feel forced into it that cycle is so hard to get out of and the laws against sex work don't help you get out of it which is really what our goal should be is like you if you don't want to be a sex worker let's help you out of that instead of let's put you in more situation because i mean if you are thinking from your perspective where most Most people don't want to be sex workers. Yeah. Probably doing it because it's a last resort.
Well, yeah. So they feel, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's awful. The people I really feel bad for the ones that are trafficked, the ones that have no choice. Well, that's not, you got to consider that in different realms. Correct. Correct. That's where a lot of people say like, okay, well, you know, sex workers are fine, but I don't like people being trafficked. So let's make sex work illegal.
When the perspective I've been given that I've kind of adopted is that like, you're not helping anyone by making sex work illegal. Because if anybody can help us find people who are being trafficked, it's prostitutes. It's people who live in that world and can identify that. And if I'm prostitute A and I see a girl over there being trafficked, I can't go to the police to report that because they're going to be like, how do you know? You prostitute? So we got to put them in different spheres.
Because there's sex workers who maybe chose it, but it wasn't their ideal choice. Then And there's people who are like being forced countries and children and awful things like that. And, you know, sometimes there is overlap, certainly. But I think so. Let me interrupt. When I go to the airports, you know, when I travel, there's always a sign on the back of the back door that says. And I always feel like I want to find that person. I want that girl to look
at me and say, please. And I want to help her. It never, ever happens. But if it does, I'm ready for it. I'm ready to save these girls. I really appreciate those signs. I appreciate those signs a lot. You know, those ones. And then there's ones in like, I mean, sometimes I've seen them in gas station bathrooms with trafficking, but that also in bars, they've got like, hey, are you if you're experiencing abuse or like the gynecologist office or an angel shot?
You ever heard of an angel shot? yeah yeah yeah go ahead and tell everybody what it is well an angel shot you can go to a bartender and say if you are they've got different levels like an angel shot on the rocks means one thing and an angel shot i don't know alcohol dry or whatever right it means something else but like you can go to a bartender and say like hey i'd like an angel shot or these different things and And it'll notify that bartender, I need help.
There's somebody near me. I need either, I need you to call the police. I need you to get me out of here. I need you to take this person out of here. Like they mean different things. And not all bars have them, but a lot of bartenders can identify them anyways. So it's a cool thing to know about. There's also a signal if you like are being trafficked or need help. And I don't know what it is. It looks like this is my Pi Phi sign. So it's not this.
But there's something like a hand gesture if you're listening.
Yeah, there's some sort of hand gesture that you can do to signify, like, I need help or, like, I'm being trafficked that people know and I've seen, you know –. Clips of like live streams or whatever wherever where people have been able to identify that like someone there needed help because of that so that i've seen something where a girl being trafficked would drop something and that was the clue i mean golly people would think i'm being trafficked every day because i can't stop with dropping
my phone right but yeah but yeah it would be it would be nice if all of this information were readily available in our brains right like why don't we all know this stuff i think the trafficking issue is certainly not does not have enough attention i believe there was a recent movie about that and some of the streaming services are like we're not going to air it and i feel like why would you not air this this doesn't make
any sense to me there's there's one celebrity that i love and i cannot for the life of me remember her name but i think it's blake lively like lively it's blake yeah and she does great work with trafficking i also i mean i was a new member educator for my sorority which means i was in charge of all the new girls and like what some of the first things i told them i was like i mean all of this stuff is so important to talk about and
we just try to brush it under because it hurts to talk about it doesn't feel good but like you should be quote-unquote triggered by these things because they're meant they suck they're meant to yeah you should be upset by them that's that's natural and good feeling but like it was so one of my values one of the things that was so important to me was to sit down with those girls and be like, hey, you are three times more likely as a sorority woman to be targeted for sexual violence.
And we need to have these conversations. I need you to know who to talk to. I need you to be able to do X, Y, Z things if this happens to you or like see the signs coming. We really just don't talk a lot about, I mean, And even identifying what assault is, I think that's a lot of the reason that sometimes people feel like they've been falsely accused of things because they actually just simply don't know some of the qualifications of what it even is. Like sexual coercion is illegal.
It's illegal. But sometimes you'll see people who are like, I've been accused of, you know, sexual violence, but I didn't do that because we didn't actually have sex. And it's like, but even the act of going to coerce someone into something like that is considered an act of... And I would say sexual violence is a term that is hard to take in because you think it's another one of those terms. It's like violence.
Violence means like punching, hitting, like that's how we think of violence because in our everyday context, that's how violence is used. But in sexual law, violence is used as when something... When someone does something to you sexually that you did not want, whether that be sexual harassment, that's a form of sexual violence, quote unquote, or sexual like rape, that all falls into that really big category.
I think that's something interesting to talk about. And I wish for assault that we kind of went about it the same way as we went about like murder, manslaughter, and had those different categories because I think there are levels to it. I think a lot of the time we have those tiffs or people don't come forward just because they think something doesn't qualify or they have misunderstandings with one another of what qualifies.
And I think being able, because like you say sexual assault, like he sexually assaulted me. People are going to jump to rape. They're going to jump to rape. Right, right. It could be that he just kissed you without your permission. Grabbed my ass. Like there are levels. There are levels. And we don't acknowledge that sometimes. times. And so that, I mean, I guess this falls into the category of sexual law.
Maybe it's not a funny one, but like, I think that's a law that would be really beneficial is just changes in terminology. Because I think so often when people come forward and say, I've been assaulted. That either we take it to the farthest degree, or we're just not able to understand them.
Or we say, no, you didn't get assaulted when, you know, maybe it does fall into a different, like a level, you know but it's right it's a really weighty word sexual violence assault like they are, weighty words and sometimes people don't come forward because they say well it wasn't that bad i didn't want to i didn't want to ruin his life or ruin her life but anywho i think i'm very all interesting topics i agree i agree all
right next weird law okay next weird law in kern county County, California, everyone's favorite county, pillows that look like breasts cannot be sold within 1,000 feet of a highway under Section 9 of the Kern County, California Code of Ordnance Guide. And this is because residents of the county actually petitioned to instate this law. And I want you to guess why they petitioned to instate this law. Probably because pillows are illegal. That they're legal a thousand feet from a highway.
Right. I'm thinking because they put some sort of sex store on the highway and all sorts of creepy people and drifters were pulling in and just, I don't know, being, I don't know, unpleasant in that community by buying their sexy stuff at that sex store. It's a sex war problem. That's my guess. It doesn't sound like that was the issue, though. Maybe that was happening as well. They essentially said that it causes distracted driving.
Oh. Yeah. Vulgarity, which cannot be ignored or controlled by a passerby, which assails the eyes and mind of all who are required to use county highways. So if you see boom, hello, thousands of people, and you're going to get distracted and you're going to crash. Okay, so this is what I'm guessing is there actually was a big old billboard that was like, get your boob pillows. Three for 20 bucks or whatever. Yeah, yeah, here they are. Pull over now to get your boob pillows.
Maybe they even said boobie pillows just to be a little more enticing, right? Right. I think that's what they called it, boobie pillows. those booby pillows. Of course I'm so smart, but yeah, that's, that's important stuff. You know what it's there's like, if you buy a cup of coffee at McDonald's, there's a warning it's caution hot may burn your mouth. That's because some bozo drank the coffee, burn their mouth. And then they sued McDonald's for millions of dollars in one.
So now, now everybody has to put these absurd little labels on everything. So yeah. Yeah. Booby pillows would be very distracting. someone definitely crashed that's probably what happened for sure oh my gosh swerved off the road oh my gosh this one's interesting. Until 1967, male homosexuality was illegal in the United Kingdom. You know, kind of standard most places. Right. Yeah, that was the case. But here's the thing. Being a lesbian was never illegal.
Totally fine. Totally fine. And here's what kind of the sitch was, from my understanding, is that they made this law, right? It's in power. And people start saying, hey, shouldn't we make it illegal for lesbians, too? Shouldn't we do that? And they were like, well, if we do that, then the women will know that they have the opportunity to be lesbians. Oh, planting the seed. It'll plant the seed. So let's just actually never mention it so they don't even think.
I don't know. It's a possibility, those dumb girls. Yeah.
They don't even they don't know yet. so let's not do that and let's just hope they aren't doing it which i think is so funny because that's how people talk about sex education a lot is the parents love to use the argument and not most parents 97 percent of parents are like in favor of a full round of sex education bipartisan partisan issue people want it but the big yappers who are against it love to use the well if i don't tell them they can that it's an option then they won't do it which is
funny because that mentality is actually scientifically proven to encourage sexual behavior if you never talk about it your Your kids are like way more likely to have early sex. I would be really interested to know if because they refuse to acknowledge it, that women were just having like way more lesbian sex than they would otherwise. That's a lesbian fiesta in England based on the lack of law.
Then again, acknowledging it by law and making it illegal is kind of like completely different than nice sex education. Right, right. But nevertheless, I wonder if because nobody was talking about it, that it was actually happening way more. Yeah. Or maybe they just love lesbians and they were like, you know what? We got to stop these guys from doing their thing. But the women, give me more of that. Bring it, girls.
You know what? This is funny. I actually believe this is a thing that happened this year. And I could be wrong. This is not one of my facts I've written down. But I remember this year seeing that the island of Lesbos just now made being a lesbian legal. Wow. Well, you know what? You got to move there now. I thought it was a lesbian island growing up. That's what I thought. Someone made a joke about it, and I just believed it.
And I think a lot of people did. Maybe. I thought it was a place for lesbians to go. If it's a glamorous tropical paradise, then yeah, we'll send all the lesbians there. Why not? Maybe I will switch teams just so I can reside on the Isle of Lesbos. That sounds fun. That's another interesting TED Talk. there was a. Ted talk that talked about the use of baseball analogies during sex oh.
Yeah okay things like switching teams first base second base third base run yeah home run you know all these different things and the person doing it and i i wish i could remember what the issues were with the baseball analogy but he was like i don't like what this or he or she was like i don't rock with this baseball analogy let's start using a pizza analogy oh yeah you told me that yeah yeah and it was a really good ted talk and i really liked what
they had to say he was like you know you ask everyone before you order the pizza and you talk beforehand about the type of toppings that you'd like and they can have this on their half and i can have this on my half if someone doesn't want pizza you just don't get any pizza for them like well i don't know it was a i i like the analogy that they put forward there's pizza is a good analogy and tea is a good analogy for sex okay nothing to do with laws just no nothing to do with laws but just
spiral let's see do i have anything else that is i don't have anything else do do do do do do oh okay all right this will be your last one this will be my last one yeah this is the last one i have and it's very great so in egypt if a wife is found to have committed adultery she gets two years in prison which. There are lots of places that have had adultery laws throughout time. Texas being one of them, you used to be able to kill someone who is cheated on you. Right.
But two years in prison, if you are cheating in Egypt as a wife, Oh, some balloons just popped up. That was exciting. Sorry for any listeners. You didn't get to see that. And restate that. Okay. So if you're a wife and you've committed adultery in Egypt, you're going to have to commit adultery. Two years in prison. But if a husband gets caught cheating, he only gets six months in prison, and he's only liable for this punishment if he did it in the home.
Oh, okay. So if he went to the mall, for example, and got it on with some gal, it's fine. It's fine. No problem. And if he did it at home, well, only six months. But a wife, two years. And that's wherever she does it. Wherever she adulterers. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, dang. I wonder if those rules are enforced. I would be interested. I would be interested. I mean, so many of these crazy sex laws are like either done so or not terribly enforced.
Or I mean, it's really hard to enforce any of them, even if you were trying your very, very best because sex is happening behind closed doors. Right. And if you actually use evidence over just people's word, then it's really extra hard. but yeah, I'm not sure. Oh, oh, oh, okay. I've got one more, one more important one. One more. Say please. Say please. Please. Okay. Go ahead and share. Ohio was the last state to officially outlaw sex with animals.
I want you to guess when they did it. Oh Lord. 2020. 2016. Okay. Jesus. Ohio. Again, recent. Yeah. You know what? I have a bunch of people from Ohio that listen they're probably very very disappointed in themselves and they're I don't know I feel like they would be able to guess that Ohio's a little weird.
I gotta tell you all of my OHIO friends are pretty pretty standard they're not the type to get freaky with animals I would be surprised my only experience with Ohio I've never been but my like middle school bestie had moved from Ohio and she just had so many things that she had never heard of in Ohio she was like I've never seen a black person I was like really she was like nope whole life never not once I was didn't she she was in a really teeny tiny
town and her parents were crazy strict that's true she would say all sorts of crazy things about Ohio. And I was like, Oh, Ohio, Ohio is the whales of America. Okay. Well, okay. I got to tell you, I'm actually going to Ohio in two weeks. Well, you'll have to let me know if they uphold that law. I believe they probably do. And I'm going to defend Ohioans. Yeah, they're pretty freaking awesome.
And I'm sure they're, I like my, I would bet a lot of money that, I mean, maybe someone in Ohio is getting it on with like a turkey. Oh my gosh. Listen. So Parker was just is telling me about the TV show called The Boys. Everyone's been telling me about The Boys. Okay, so he was telling me that the character that resembles Aquaman gets busted having sex with an octopus. What? An octopus? They said, is an octopus lady? He said, no, it's just an octopus because he's Aquaman.
And apparently he gets busted doing this and they blackmail him. They're going to out him for having sex with an octopus. They're able to thwart those suggestions for a while. But anyways, he comes home and he hides the octopus in a closet. And so when he comes from the octopus is like, I miss you. Why won't you let me out of the closet? So anyways, now I feel like the, Oh yes. Thank you. I'm allowed to say that here. Of course you are. Okay.
Hey, listen, and Hey, there was an actual, a James Bond movie called Octopussy. Did you know that? No. What could it have possibly been about? I think that one was before my day. I think I was too little. I do not believe I saw Octopussy, but that's a very famous James Bond movie. So just you know what? You've been passing along all of these information bombs for me. I had to give it back to you. Perhaps you could do some research.
You got to watch The Boys for the Aquaman getting freaky with the octopus and then James Bond from the seventies or something like that. Yeah. So, um, I got to tell you, I made you. Everybody should know this. I made this brilliant, lovely human that's been talking to us for an hour. I don't know if that's braggadocious after our conversation we just had. Some people will be like, ah. No, no. I think everybody is probably very impressed. And I tell you what, your episode, so popular.
And folks, if you haven't listened to the first episode with Ginger, go back. In fact, you got to listen to all of them. We have that one of the lists with McCall's. Yeah. And it's from the 1950s and the article is how to, how to get a husband or something like that. And those suggestions were hilarious. And you made that whole conversation so much fun. See, this chat was fun, but our others have been like extra fun. Yeah.
But this, I think people are listening with the raised eyebrow going, no way. Yeah. I'm hoping you've actually taught us something. I'm hoping it checked a different type of box off. I'm hoping it got people, got you thinking, got you thinking out there. Yeah. And the other thing, Ginger, is I'm sure everybody will agree is you should start your own podcast. I tell you this all the time, but you are a wealth of information and you have so much passion and you're so smart and you're so much fun.
And so I know you're adapting to whatever my interview format is, but if you start a podcast, I will listen to every episode probably three, four times. I mean, you're just, yeah, yeah. You'll be all four of my views. I will listen to them all, watch them all. Like, yes, people listen. It's only my mom. Yeah, no, I have a feeling, you know, you start small and grow, but I'm sure my audience would tune in. I would share them with you because they already love you.
Thanks all right so after all that hot funny interesting sex talk you have to share our song of the week so a song of the week is something we want people to add to their playlist while they're exercising they could be playing soccer or tennis or right doing judo whatever it is i exercised today and i listened to this song three times it is new i just saw this it came It came out Friday. I just saw this artist in concert. And it is Accent by Megan Thee Stallion.
And I think the chorus goes something about that she's thicker than her accent. Her butt is thicker than her accent. And that is cute. I know. It's cute. And you had a great time at her concert. It was great. And it's her and her opener did this together. She's really, I mean, Megan Thee Stallion, lovely lady. And her and her opener have been doing a lot of stuff together, which I think is really cool of her to lift up a smaller artist like that.
But, yeah, I mean, she's a banger of an artist to see in person, incredible performer, and incredibly fit. I mean, you watch her workout videos. They're super, super cool. She looks like she's training for war. And I think my workout playlist is like 85% Megynestallion songs. Yeah. You know, what's interesting is I think most people, not most people, a lot of people might think, oh, I don't have anything in common with that rapper who raps vulgarity. And she does.
She's really vulgar. I think her music is also pretty fun, but she has some clean versions of her music. But when I see her on Instagram, she's, she's a really great role model for fitness. And so she may have a potty mouth, but her, her focus on health is really impressive. And so I I like that, that she's, she's targeting people who follow her are more interest are more likely to pursue exercise because she does it and she flaunts it. So, yeah, totally. And you know what?
She's relatable in that way. And then I also have a lot of respect for how I think. Most rap and most of her music is a lot of like, I'm rich, I party, I have sex, which awesome. When you're listening to rap music, that's a lot of what you want to hear. But she also raps about like mental health struggles and other things to being fit. You know, things more normal things sometimes and independence. And I yeah, I think she's a great lady. I really, really do.
Well, that's that's very flattering to her. I'm sure if she heard that Ginger Kohler was a big fan, she would be thrilled. I'm sure she's listening right now. Okay, folks. So if you haven't done so already, don't forget to leave a review. That's your assignment for the day. Come on now. And Ginger has something to tell you. Get to work. That's it, folks. Get to work. Love you. Bye. Hi, this is Rudy Novotny, the voice of America's marathons.
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