The Draymond Green Show - White House Visit + Jamal Crawford

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n Y for six seven three six nine in New York, tennessee redline eight nine Tennessee visit one hundred gamble dot net in West Virginia. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. This is our third episode of season two and I think we rolled in right now. We have Steven Eon last week. I hope everybody enjoyed that episode as much as I enjoy holding the interview. It was very fun sitting in the opposite seat of Stephen A and asking him all the questions you want

to ask. We all know what Stephen they does on TV, so I thought that was dope. And this week we got the one and only the first six man that was really making six Man popular. And then lou Will came in and took it to another level. Jamal Crawford, we have him on this week's show, who's also a new a new teammate of mind on the turn the side of things. As we all know, he's he's returning

now he's on the Tuesday Show. I think it's so great to see someone that loves basketball, that knows the game as well as Jamal on TV because he just has that He's Jamal Crawford still has the love that a child has for the game of basketball. Like you go through all this stuff, man, you go to college, you go through NBA and the challenges, right, they can lessen your love, it can make it more of a

business for you. And even someone like Jamal Crawford, whose career maybe didn't end quite the way he wanted to end um still has that adolescents love for the game of basketball, and I think that's always refreshing. So to have that on your TV screen every week, I hope you take advantage of it. But first definitely, UH enjoy

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yesterday and it's my second time back. Although I've won four championships as you all know, we didn't have the opportunity to go in two thousand and seventeen and two thousand and eighteen. Now you know, they'll say, hey, they weren't invited. Um quite Frankly, it's cool to say, oh, you're not invited after you say you're not going, Like, if that's what makes you feel good, then great, And

that's kind of what happened to us. So I don't think it was quite because we weren't invited I think we turned down the option and then we're not invited became a thing. But quite frankly, I didn't want to go those years anyway. Although the experience of going is absolutely incredible, but as you know it, experiences are also made by the people that you attend them with, and

so our experience yesterday was absolutely incredible. Um. The hospitality that President Biden um our VP Harris, um Kamala Harris by the way, Um, the hospitality that they showed us was absolutely insane. I mean from the band that they I mean they had a few instruments from the band playing on the first floor when we walked in, went up the stairs and it was a full band playing and and they're playing we are the Champions when we walked up, and then just the different tools that they

were playing. Uh, the outfits almost looked like the Nutcracker outfits. I'm pretty sure they probably were the Nutcracker outfits. Um. I mean, it was such an incredible experience and everybody were so nice, they were so open. I'd say, you know, obviously you meet the President of the United States, the Vice President of United States is going to take the cake. But one of the most interesting people that I had

the opportunity to meet. I was President Biden's hand speech writer nine, and he was so informative any question that I asked. I actually had the opportunity to speak with him at dinner a little while the night before our visited after the game and just asking different questions, and it was such an incredible experience, and I think, you know, for me personally, I enjoyed it because I didn't ask the questions from Uh, you're doing this wrong, You're doing

that wrong? Are you doing this right? I'm more so I asked these questions from essentially from a dumbfounded space, like I really wanted to know these answers. I didn't have it opinion on this, So my questions weren't framed a certain way because I had an opinion on certain things, just things that I wanted to know. And he and he shared things that um, I won't share on here, but that we're really really enlightening to me. Enlightening to

me and also very informative, like I felt like I learned. So, I mean, conversation started, we were standing. We probably stood there for an hour and twenty minutes, just my Steph, Steph, myself him. Uh, Steph's god brother Si actually works on his speech writing team, which was absolutely incredible. Um Chris who worked in the Obama administration, and just asking questions and the willingness to answer those questions, we're absolutely incredible.

So I want to thank for Night for the experience and things that he shared and taught as well, because that was absolutely amazing. He actually introduced me to President Biden's head advisor on the Ukraine Russia War, which I had some questions for her as well, and she answered those questions. You know, in politics sometimes we watched these things on TV and you don't really know what to believe, you know, you don't know. You look at one station

they're saying this. You look at the next station they're saying something totally different. And so just to be able to get that first hand insight was absolutely amazing to me. And oh, by the way, for you Michigan fans out there, I said the head strategists on the Ukraine Russia War for President Biden that I had the opportunity to make meet Michigan stay sparked and that had to be one

of the highlights. My wife's obviously is spartan, so for us to meet her and I some questions and had that Spartan green Blood at the White House was absolutely amazing and and it was really a highlight. And so those were some of the best people that I met. And don't don't get me wrong, we met incredible people. I think the job that they've done on putting an administration together, the people that they have around. One thing that I was really I was really impressed with is

the youth that they have in their administration. Like you know, everyone looks at President Biden's age, and you know his age is getting up there, but I think to have so much youth around, I think for me as an American citizen myself, that was very comforting because you know, so many times you get into politics and and people are much older, and how do they relate to what a twenty four year old thinks just four year old

of American things. But to see that there was so much youth up um within the administration, it's very comfortable to know that they're getting that perspective. And it's not just the perspective of some sixty year old or some fifty year old, although fifty years and old, I don't think, but it's a totally different perspective coming from generations in the youth that they had around. I thought that was a huge thing As an American. I left there and

was like, wow, that that's great. Like that that made me feel like my point of view will be heard, my voice will be heard because they're all right in the trenches if you will, of life that we're all in. You know, I'm thirty two years old. There's thirty year olds, there's twenty eight year olds. There's I met some twenty four year olds. Like it's just so to have those

different perspectives around in the White House, I is absolutely incredible. Um, within this, I want to give you behind the scenes look of just how it all went down. The transportation. We took two buses arriving. Uh. Busses get searched, they come on. You're not allowed to get off the bus until your I d s are checked. It's not like you're getting off the bus and they're checking them outside

of the bus. Uh. It is as tight as you'd imagine. UM. And then you enter those gates of the White House and it's like wow, Like it produced no less of a feeling than it produced the first time we went in two thousand and fifteen, and you know, to see how tight the security is, how dialed in they are, it's amazing, like two to understand how high of a

level that they're working at. They're protecting the president, that protecting the vice president, they're protecting our constitution, the things that they're protecting, and the level that they're working at, Like when you walk in. You you know, sometimes you walk into certain places and and and you feel like the security is overdoing something. When you walk in, you just know like, no, I need to go about it this way. And they make you feel like it's going

like it's no games and as you'd expect. I thought, I thought that was amazing. We got in. One crappy part about the day was we had to walk along ways because the buses aren't going all the way up to the White House, and it was raining. So that was the one crappy part. But in saying that, you get to the White House and that was great. I know. Steve publicly said that some players and coaches had sat down and spoke about us in a couple of different meetings.

I think one was on gun violence, one was on voting. I didn't actually sit in those meetings. UM, I know Steph was in uh some of the meetings. I know Stevens in some of the meetings. I'm not actually sure who else was in those meetings, but I didn't know some of those was taking places. And quite frankly, when you have the opportunity to go to the White House and you care about some of these issues, what better time than to use the access that basketball has given

you to speak on some of these issues. And I thought that was absolutely incredible that you know, guys took advantage of the opportunity and it wasn't just about showing up to be honored, um, for for what you accomplished in basketball. My personal experience, my personal experience, like I said, was incredible. The one thing that I loved most about it was being able to share, uh, that opportunity with

my wife. My wife, My wife, having the opportunity to take a picture and meet Vice President Kamala Harris was incredible. My wife in college wanted she she actually wanted to pledge a k A. Our vice president is the a a k A. And so just for her to share that moment um, to to take in that experience, for us to take an experience together in our first year of marriage. Absolutely amazing. Um. She was very stunning in her all pink. Uh what do they call it, Barbie core or I

think that's that's the term for it. Absolutely stunning. Made me look good, which I need and I'll take so thank you to my lovely wife, Hazel. Was an incredible experience with you, my love. But that was great. Uh. The food was great. I actually got a chance to go in the kitchen and meet the has chef. The food was absolutely amazing. Uh, they had drinks, they had I mean the hospitality that they showed for us or or showed us hat for us, gave to us was

absolutely amazing. And I tipped my hat to them on that. And I was talking to a few people on the administration. They were just saying President Biden is really big on hospitality. He feels, with someone coming to your house, these are the things they should have and that's how he makes sure the White House has ran And I think that's absolutely incredible. H You know, one of the biggest things.

You know, we've talked about this before on not meeting um, not meeting your hero is usually a letdown to go to the White House, and it not be laid out the right way from a hospitality standpoint, would be like meeting a hero and then being a letdown. So super thankful. Uh. The way they rolled off the red carpet was a great experience. And then also another thing that you love is to see the guys and women who's never been

there before. Um, it's not quite as drastic of a difference as a player winning their first championship and someone else winning their second or third championship, because I'll tell you as someone who's been before, it's still as amazing. And another thing, by the way, another touch that was really incredible that I was happily I was. We had the opportunity to see where the Obama portraits are now up in the White House. We had the opportunity to

see first Lady Michelle Obama's portrait. Absolutely stunned. We had a chance to take pictures to see President Obama's portrait and to see the portrait of an African American woman and an African American man in the White House like that, and it's I'm getting chills right now just thinking about it. Um, as a as a young African American man, that's something that wasn't possible before and so to see that absolutely incredible and it's it's just something that you saw and

you really felt good about. And so overall, um, the experience was great. And I have to say my experience this time was even better than the experience last time. And that's tough, man. Last time we went with President Obama. Like just that alone and in itself is like but like I said, it's about the people that you're with. And I think for me what took the cake was just sharing that experience with my wife. So that's kind of a quick rundown if you will, of our White

House visit. Um, I hope you know, if you haven't had the opportunity to visit the White House, set up a tour um and see what you can see, because it's nothing like it. I mean, it is a one of a kind of experience. And just knowing all the history that that and and all of the decisions that are made in one place absolutely incredible. So if you get the opportunity, you're in d C. Definitely trying to check it out. I promise you you will not regret it.

And oh, actually, lastly, when President excuse me, when President Biden decided that he was gonna take the knee, and by the way, I had someone asked me yesterday, like, was there any significance in him taking the knee. I'm not someone that tries to make something more than what it is. What I honestly think it was and thought it was was that level of the stage is lifted above the riser that we were standing on. So if he stands there, he's blocking someone and trying to squeeze in.

I think would have been even harder than him taking the knee at his age and getting up. When I saw him getting when when I knew it was trying to get up, I actually wanted to step onto the riser and help him up. But you're in the White House and you don't want to make a sudden movement next to the president. So if you kind of look at the video, I kind of like start to go and I pull it back. Then I reached my arm,

then I pulled back. Ultimately, I want to help hand, to help her hand to our president and make sure he's well, and he gets up well. But on the flip side of and tackled by the Secret Service, I don't think that would have been good, so I stayed back, but knowing that my heart was in the right place. And then lastly, I'll share this with my experience. I had a long conversation with um OUR Vice president um Kamala Harris, and the gist of our conversation or the

topic of our conversation was the game chess. I don't know how to play chess. Is I've started to learn the game and learn, you know, I know what the pieces do now, but obviously you know the strategy of it. I'm still not quite there yet. But we were speaking about chess. She learned how to play chess from her uncle as a as a as a small child. And I asked her a question, I said, has it which sparked ore. We probably still there and talk for twenty

five or thirty minutes, which is amazing in itself. I said, has it been everything that you expected it to be? And her eyes lit up and smile from here to here, and she said and more. And we went into you know, a little bit of what she's experienced, but then we went into just life and and and it led us to the game of chess and how in life like the game of chess it's very much like the game of life. There are a bunch of different pieces on

the board. They all do different things. No, there are not equally as important, but the movement of one, the protection of one, it's equally as important to the makeup of the whole team. And it's just so many lessons from life that we spoke about that you can take from that in chess. If your can one step ahead, you lost in life. You can't just look one step ahead.

You gotta be four or five moves ahead. And so we we we really discussed that and it was great and made me want to learn the game of chess more so than some of your grand masters out there. If you're subscriber listener to the show, please reach out because I want to learn. Um, I do understand that in life, but I also want to learn the game because I need to beat up on Clay Thompson like to Jerome has been doing. So that was my experience from the White House. I hope you all take the

chance if you can to go check it out. Unbelievable. That is going to be it for the top of the show. But before we get out of here, as you can see, the Curtis has been closed, but there's an unveiling taking place. What is that unveiling? That unveiling is I am sitting in the room that all you people complained about me doing a podcast during the NBA Finals. I am in the great city of Boston, so you

can see Boston, the city of Boston behind me. And as you all know, our listeners that's been here, you know those of you that haven't. In your new thank you, we love you, hope you stay. But Jackson, our producer, is a big time Boston Celtics fan. Well we all know that sucks because they lost us in the championship. They also lost to us a few weeks ago, now, a month ago, about a month ago, a little over

a month ago. And Jackson today in my in my rundown of my topics of what we're gonna talk about in the show, he puts on there should we make a bet on the game? And I couldn't help but to think I beat these people in the World Championship. He's paid nothing. I just beat these people a month ago, pay nothing. Now all of a sudden he wants to make a bet when we're coming to Boston. Quite Frankly, you know we can win on the floor, celebrated on the parquet floor, on the second team in history, So

we know that. But I'm gonna tell you what he's thinking for our listeners out there. What he's thinking is, uh, Warriors been struggling a bit. Uh the record on the road has been it's a little rough right now, so we're gonna sneak a win. So let me sneak a win in this beat. But where was that bettering there on the NBA Finals? Where was that bat before our road record starts sucking? Where was that bad? Then? We don't know. So he's trying to take advantage of the

situation quite Frankly. My out is, I can't bet on Warriors games, brother, I can't bet on the NBA games. So you just enjoyed as an ale as it's going to come. But if you have an apion, we would love to hear it. Jackson. I was just thinking a new year, new pod, new season. Maybe we could uh have a little friendly way during the game. But you're right, you can't put on the game. And I thought, you know, Jalen Brown's hurt right now. I figured we've got to

even the playing field. You know, Celtics in first place, we're struggling on the road, and my Jalen Brown out might seem a little bit more fair, you know, But you're right, You're right, You're right to see how to see how the game goes and we'll come back. Question for you. I have a question for you. What did the Celtics finish the season? UM? In the Eastern Conference last year? First place? Sounds familiar. That's a right from

this episode of the Dramond Green Show. There in first place. Again, we weren't in first place last year, but guess what first place? UM honored to have this next guest. It's actually a guy who when I came into the league, I came in and I came in talking. I came in hot, I came in talking a bunch of junk to everybody, and to be honest, a lot of guys really didn't embrace me. And it's like from the very first time, I would never forget UM. He didn't drop me off with a couple of moves as we all

know he do. I filed, he go to the free throw line, and he like embraced me and I and that's something that I will never forget because it was someone that I've always watched growing up as a child, looked up to the way carried himself. And you know when when when I said growing up as a child and I watch, you're gonna hear this and be like, your game don't resemble his. But the the professionalism and the way he went about his business and the way

he carried himself, ums is what I always honored. And then obviously dropping fifty like nobody's tomorrow, you gotta respect that honor To have his next guest Jay Crossover Jamal Crawford, what's up, my brother? Man? That's a heck of introduction. Bro. I don't know if I can top that, but I

appreciate it. It takes you back to when you started, like starting your journey, and it was at a time where you had the day, the leaves and the bets right there in front of you, right with the way you grind it and the way you can look at your eyes see you wanted more. Your goal wasn't just

to make it to the NBA. Your goal is too I'm here, I'll leave my mark, and I mean, looking back with what you've done, we got a Hall of fame resume now like looking back, you get the hard way, like out the mud, and that's to be a party and appreciate it and to be a source of I mean, if all the kids out there, if I can't do stuff, I can't be but you, if you grinding and commit to it and put your heart and soul into it, you know, it's the magic that happen. So it's def

to be on here with you. I appreciate that. As you know, you come into these interviews and you kind of got these lists of questions. And one thing that I've learned in doing this is just like you you you followed the interviewee, and so you just mentioned something about getting it out the mud, and it's something that I have a lot of respect for you for. And being from Seattle, uh, the way that you've given back to that community and how strong the basketball presence is there.

You know when you're talking Raynier Beach, your high school, you Terence Williams, Kevin Porter, Juior Degen, Murray, like the pipeline you go back, you started, you start a program in Seattle, like and everything that you're trying to give back. Where does that come from? I know, Seattle is a hot bed for talent. But where does like you wanted to give so much back to that community come from. Because I think it's honorable what you do in the community.

I appreciate that. I think my sisters told me something a long time ago, and it's not as the kids. She said, when if you ever come to a money or thing, whatever it is, you become a bigger bison were So if you were an asshole, you're gonna be a bigger asshole you were. I give You're gonna give

more because you have more access to give. And so for me, I didn't try to live up to that, but she kind of explained to me when I was feeling, when I was thinking when I didn't have nothing and I had ten dollars, if I saw some on the street, we had I give, you know, five on it, And like I figured out later, that's just always been in me. And so fast forward when I had the opportunity to see um the impact he could have, you know what I mean. And Christy did it for me. I don't

deserve all the credit. He did it for me. And I used to work out with him and he was like, man, come work out with me. I didn't have his phone number. Dry, I didn't have his phone number, I didn't have no contact. I never asked him for a dollar. I just wanted what he had so bad to just teach me, just like, show me how to be a pro He was the first person I've seen or an anchor, weights training or having a phone. Brother. It's back in ninety six. He had a phone roll, and I'm like, oh, that's what

prose doing. Okay, They're in the best shape to take care of themselves, right, And so I'm looking at all these things and collected goata and for me, that was everything and changed my life. So I said, you know what, if I make them to the stake for the next one, and the next one was the Row. The next one was Isaiah Nader or Terrence or Kevin Porter, Jon Apaulo or Ronnie Stucker, whoever it is, all of them make

it to the NBA. And I take this much part locals too, because they became successful, you know, citizens or whatever. They chase whatever beings they're chasing. So I knew it changed my life, and I knew I wanted to have that impact. And now they're doing it, you know, Zach Lavini as a kid in ninth grade can call him and say, can break down the schooling for me? Can I work out? Can I work out with you? Right? And those things are light changing, you know So I

just think that's what makes it difference. It's not the crowd in the bucket, man, tality's more kind the ecosystem would create. I think that's incredible. Man, you're sitting her name and all these guys. I don't think like when you start talking, uh, you know, l A, Seattle or Chicago's and you say, put a team together from those cities, New York, Michigan. Like when you put a team together from Seattle, just solf, that team probably can compete with

any team you could put together in the NBA. Where where does that? Where does that come from? Like? How did Seattle become that in basketball? To where y'all just spewing out talent like that? That damn rain day when we out there, we're in the gym, you know, it's it's always rained up in Seattle. It's always you know what outside. So we were definitely just in the gym all the time. We blocked in the gym. And and for Apollo specifically, I used him as an example because

he's the last one. He walked the same streets, he was in the same community. Said, so it was nothing for him to see us all the summer run Come on, jump in a run, you know what I mean? Like I had I had one run, I had jone. How you irvy? Zach Labean, Batist, Nigel Spencer, Harms, Mr Lake, Greg Bill Russell, the icon him aside watching I got young Pollo back Carol place years old in this run. So for him it was nothing to see these things, to be exposed to it and then take it further.

My son, my nephew can like man, I know to meet you guys. That's Fallow, that's the high school star I can. I can accomplish that one day. He's reading's reachable. And Paulo understands that all of us understand our responsibility. So we all support each other. Like if I got a backpack of the away ten of us are going, if Nate Robinson has a bowling tournament tillor us are going like and that's just what it is. I think that's what makes it special. When I was in Chicago,

Tim part Way, it was over here. Mike Feelings over here, um Jawan Howard's over here. I saw him in a gen together, but I didn't see me personally. I didn't see too much else. But they really were collacting on stuff. And that's what week. God, Now that's incredible. And at your at your proram this summer, uh Dejonta who who is very prideful and mean, extremely prodely. I love. He's

a guard version of you with that pride. Hey. I love when when I first saw him as a rookie, I'm watching him play and I went up to him after the game and I said, Yo, we couldn't stop you. The only thing that I could do to stop you was just Sagal, work on your jump shot, young Feller, you work on your jump shot. You're gonna be an All Star in this league. And I'll never forget that.

And we've built the relationship that like I am close to Degen, I'm only close to a few guys in this league like I'm close to Degen, Like I got so much love for him and love seeing him doing well. And he made All Star last year. I felt like I was that was my first time, you know. But at the pro am this summer, he and Paulo and being as prideful as he is. You come in this league, you the NUMBERNNA pick I need to see that. And they had their thing, its fews over the social media.

Did you have to step into that as as the big brother once his fews over the social media and talk to them like, hey, man, we ain't doing that. We're gonna compete, but at the same time, we gotta have each other back, because that's how you keep that pipe line and that tightness going. You. What you just said was an exact message. I tell you a funny story. I was in Dallas because I was coaching my son and coaching the kids, and my phone on the plane

and my phone is like text MESSI is going crazy. Man, they got into it. This is now you go too, Jake, Princess and step in and I'm like, man, look they don't be fine. And I gave I talked to both of them the exact same way, the same message you said, and they both felt how they felt because they're both competitive.

But at the end of the day, who else to both phones because they understood the big picture and the big and what we've all created, Like you all played a party and making this place something special, you know, because we're not like other cities. But sometimes you got for a dude with your room for them to do better than you, you know what I mean. You know what I'm talking about form, but I ain't really for him that much, you know what I mean? And it's

different up here. And so they understood the big picture. They worked through it and to see both of them, you gotta all star in Dejontay, the future, all star in Polo in the whole generation of kids following both of them, and those two have lived with that responsibilities. That's un leave what that's a big brother I love to see. Yeah, we can have difference. That's what big brothers and little brothers do. That's what we do. That's just what it is. But we can work through it

and continue to move forward. Absolutely. I think that's amazing man. And just speaking of Seattle, you leave Seattle, you go not even gonna mention the school you go to. Uh, that's a whole another story. Hold on a matter of fact, I think I owe you a few from football bat years ago, but it's not that's not right now. How are you're not gonna mention Michigan? You gotta make are you ain't gonna say the word if you don't want to Michigan stay something Michigan State. So I got love

from big on the team. I've seen the team in long Peter flint Stones, I acknowledge that you're as I got so much love for you and so much love for Jalen. And see where yards the list. There's nothing for you guys but the school. Oh my god, man, it hurts hurt you. You you go off to school and right off the bat you get suspended. Um, what was your suspension for and what was your mindset once

you received that suspension. So Drake coming up, I wasn't like nobody ever heard about me until I was sixteen. So I was a kid. You know, anybody, man, it was a kid right now busting his ass at a playground. They got to kick him off the court working on his game, and you here sleep or whatever, you know, a coach trying to use his motivation. I was that kid. So nobody knew about me. I was sixteen. I'm still working on my game. I was in the backyard. I

was like really getting better. And so once I jumped on the scene and I had a lot of making up I got. I was in the elg with my fresh year high school I and was with my sophomore ye highchool. I was in eld with my junior high school made varsity as a freshman, doing the wrong things, being with the wrong you know, crowd and all that. But that's let's stay what happened. I started getting help when I moved back to Seattle from l A. And that was with tutors with clothes and we don't come

from nothing. But the help I was getting wasn't from like a booster. It wasn't from alumni. I wasn't from the au coach. I wouldn't even sing like that. And when I went to Michigan. Probably when I went to Michigan, they said I broke a law of amateurism and I never even heard that. I'm like, go, hold on, this guy doesn't fit into any one of those modes. He wouldn't just give me money saying here, gonna flash, you do what you want to do like this is stuff.

It's tough for me be a productive young man. And so they got suspended. They actually dug into that. So I did nothing wrong and I got reinstated. But at that point for my name when I put my name in the draft. Honestly, I wasn't even putting in the leave. I just want to see go through the process the next Let me just go through and see what I'm gonna be up against. At that time at camp, dudes were still playing like a toothdudes are still playing away

there and killed camp and asked what my name. We're from second round and not being drafted to now I'm a lot of youthing and twin in two days right, and so from there it was so cold. I was on such like a role. Then they was like, look, teams like you even got to work out on you coming, Just come talk to Joe did in Detroit. He was when I saw Mark Cuban and Dallas like I was going in different places and they were just saying, look, just talk to us and we'll see what happens. But yeah,

that's that's what happened. Like it was a dude that had nothing to do a basketball. To this day, he has nothing to do a basketball and they kicking me up for that. That's incredible, man. And now you know you look you look, you look at it. You know the landscape, these kids getting rich nowadays, which I absolutely love. Like you got guys literally going back to school making two and three million dollars, which I think is incredible.

But what what do you actually think of the n I L Because you know, as good as it is for a kid to go make two three million dollars and still be in college, there are some downsides of it as well, you know, and and and I don't mean downsides as far as like kids having money and they can't manager. People have money and can't manage it every day, So don't give me the their in trouble

because they can't manage money. That's that's bullshit. But you know where you can't really go for the A list um type companies because the school has a deal with them. And those different things. What do you make of the n I L nowadays? Especially as someone who essentially, I mean you didn't even get knocked for you selling your likeness, but yet someone that got knocked and faced the n c A in a different in a different way than

most do you. It's crazy that if if if the n I L was around years ago, think about how many kids would stay in school, Think about how much more money to n would have made because now you're removing from the pressure of this kid, like, Damn, I gotta help provide for my family. Damn, I can't get extra money to go to the movie because that's against

the rules. I ain't got it. Like so if they're removing the handle right, the right, you know, parents and supports around in this handle right, you can get that money and still not being a rush to go to leave. You can not being the rustur some of the like. You can you can set up shop, depending how much

it is you make yourself with small business. You can be able to set stuff later if basketball doesn't work out, but you're not the pressure of my mom's lights and then cut off like what we gotta get between paying the light bill and my my my sister's stuituation, whatever

it might be. It removes that pressure, so I think, and I am was in a lot of people Chris Lever, those guys in the left arm, you know what I'm saying, Like people, I come from from hard, hard beginning, so I like it, and like you said, list is downside to it too, But like anything, it's how do you navigate what it is? Like? Even the NBA writing sports, we all know if we weren't in the position that we were in, and some things that we may have

done happened, it wouldn't be a story. But since we're in this position and we have this light on us instead of we talked about so interested about how you navigated, how you're handling. There's no perfect answer, but I really love the scene. Man, I have my own student sex in the mission. The crowd had their crew section. I'm still and I had a head band called the Proper Crazy at that time. True story, I'm not saying it's Brady.

I was let school with Tom Brady. I was more popular chemist he was at that time because Drew Hanson the quarterback there and he was KNNA like the guy. So yeah, it's just crazy to see how things are formulated. That's crazy. I think, uh, just like Sharon the campus with Tom Brady and being big like that's mind bone

in itself. But in the same sense, you're a guy that when I had the NBA career that you had, you know, a superstar in your own right, and I think you know when you look at me, Like a lot of things in the NBA as narrative driven, I don't think that there's a player in the NBA that played with you or against you that did not think you were a superstar. But by media terms, like the

narrative wasn't that Jamal Crawford was a superstar. But there wasn't one that had to guard you, that played with you, played against you, that didn't think in their mind that you're a superstar. You carries yourself like that, you play like that, you put up those type numbers and and and I just want to say, as an opponent, like, but I appreciated you and everything that you brought to the game, and most importantly, bigger than anything, the love

that you brought to the game of basketball. Like people played this game and they played for because of what it can do for them. And I don't knock those people, but the love that you brought to the game of basketball and that you showed was good for young guys like myself because you get in this league, man, it's it's so much going on, and just to see someone with a genuine love like it rubbed off on on myself, but it rubbed off on a lot of guys. Bro. So I just want to say thank you because it

was absolutely real. I appreciate that yeah, I think when I was like, it was like, put, how is that gonna work? How you get to lead with that and one style of play? Right? And so I'm like, man, I'm just gonna master. I'm not trying to be fancy. I'm really just playing on the instanct. I'm just playing. So I'm just gonna like you see step every day right like Steph. I don't think step is trying to

be fancy or so, He's just playing. He's just in his own old That's just how he plays, right, And so for me, I just I navigated so much and I'm not trying to brag whatsoever, but I think I kind of help bring the street aspect of it, the streetball culture to the league and didn't change, you know what I mean. Like some people get to lead, they play one way and play around and play one way, right, Like for me, I was like, I'm this is who I am on the play in l A Fitness or

twenty thousand people. That's just what it is. So and I'm acquired taste. I'm not for everybody. And I get that too. I love that because you don't want you know what I mean, Like you don't want all the same thing, and you bring a whole different aspect to the game, right, and so I'm thankful for it. I always felt confident in my skills. All he's trying to do things the right way. I always loved the game.

That was always firstly, even being forty years old trying to play basketball, it was just love that just pushed me. When I was a kid, I was like, man, I paid an e b A to play an NBA Like I just I didn't care about nothing but playing like I just love who you know what I mean? And that's now coaching my son right and doing TV and talking the game gives me a whole another life as far as like how I feel still connected to the

game and it's just it's unbelievable. I appreciate you because my son held onto the words you told him to the finals as well, like you talks about all the time. So I appreciate that, bro, because to me, to him, I'm just dad. So he ain't listen to me, but you know, absolutely no, And I you know, I still follow along on the internet, like and watch all this highlights and anything that I could see young boys, special

man especial picture. He gets a big picture, Like I told him, I look, we're in this space now, they're gona you five you want to That's not any game. We don't care what it is. Just stay had tun invasion and we're playing along and just keep building the right way. It's incredible. What do you what do you make? I got a couple of cb A questions for you because I think one of them really, I think one of them really will hit you and it'll be the second question. But um, what do you make? Number one

of the one and done rule? Possibly it's going to be changed back, like it's gonna be changed to where you can go back out of high school. What what are your sentiments around the one and done rule coming back or being non existent? I say, yeah, I would love to see it done existed like some of the greatest players we've ever seen touch of basketball and kids that did not go to college, from Lebron James to Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garden, like some of our favorite favorite

players ever. We're ready, you know, like how we who do we to say? All? This guy's not ration? Actually, if he is ready, I want him to come living from great I want him to come to be around but I want him to come be around Staff and Joy and all these guys, Weeds and all these guys professional. I didn't learn to be a proce. I have pros agram when I got the Open, when I got Stu Pitten,

when I got Rick Brussels, when I got Kindle Deal. Now, young fella being on ton of it's being two hours early, not even down was after games like dressing the right way, to present yourself, the right way him of your business. And and I think even if they're not technically quote unquote rage and contribute on the court day one, their acceleration process would be so much faster. To think about Luca, like playing against prose for for years, so many come

on bro. So when it's now they're actually playing, it's proms the transition so much smoothing. But that shock values gone. The first time I jumped on the court in the pre season, I'm playing against the rail stree well and I'm like, damn, that's free, you know what I mean, And just stuff, that stuff is gone by the time they get there. It is handled the right way. And that's why I think that's a song for that's our invaluable.

That's helped set careers. That's help the next tien or fifteen years after they're gone for what you're doing to combat to the organization. One hundred were saying, I was a guy lucky to have great vests. I had Jermaine O'Neil, Jared Jack, David League, Carl Landry Bogan like I had guys that really showed me the way, Richard Jefferson, and

it was huge for me. And that's it's funny that you just said that, because it actually leads into my next question, which is I personally think and the c b A. I think the c b A um hurt guys like yourself, Whereas all the teams start going younger because the minimums was less and the money was less situations exactly, And so teams start going younger and start cutting vets out. I think we're now starting to see

the m the repercussions of that. I talked to Andre a few not not long ago, and Andre said, man, basketball has gotten so dumb, so fast. And I think, and that's in large part due to the c b A and vets getting cut out and not being able to teach young guys the way. And I also think it affected you towards the end of your career, where I asked, you can still go out and get twenty on any given night and yet not getting signed due to a tax situation from a team. So what do

you make of that? And how the c B a kind of start cutting vets out of the league. It's this vardening one. And I would have said this if I was in my prime, like, because I just know the effect that that that's playing. We're invaluable. If if I want to be a better photographer, how could I not? And I have Andy Burgstein who shoots for the NBA and shot for forty years, and I'll mentor you, I'll

show you the way I'll help you. If I'm going to Microsoft and Steve Bombers there at the time, how am I and he saying I want to help your career those how can we not take that knowledge? So now the best that come in, if they're not coming to your team or teams that have been around for

a while, their bet is twenty three. What's the only show that twenty year old like we're talking about it's hurting basketball because, like you said, and now as a coach, especially because I'm sold into it, right, like it's crazy. But now as a coach, seeing good basketball is like comes from scorn, from me giving up a good one to a great one. Seeing the i Q, seeing the read. Seeing that, I told my team, I said, man, well

understand Golden States like organized chaos. They're saying random so much. You can't play random unless you have drey Is a quarterback and you have Stephanise. Guys make the split second decisions where it's almost like it's so random but it's so organized. But you can't play that way if you

don't have a high. You can't play with them. But that's the beauty, you know what I mean, Like you can't it's almost here if you're like with but Tino and de Niro in the movie, right, and they got a script, but they just started having and they're going off each other. That's what the magic happens, the beauty in it, right, And that's what you guys do. And these young fellows will never understand that they don't have

vets like breaking down film with them. I have that Scotty pipings to watch feel with me, you know, breakdown like looks that's what you're looking at and you're looking at that you should be looking at it. I'm like, okay, and there's joying that because that's something you've never been talking with the ag system now that we care about wins and losses to your playday to that not care because you're getting so much attention a teen years old

right like, so it's just a whole like system. I'm scared to be honest with you, if bets aren't in the game around the game, calling shots and the organization with the next ten to fifteen years a look facts, No, I agree, man. Just so y'all know listening to this podcast, there will be a part two because there's no conversation. I got a couple of questions for you. Can I ask you a couple of question absolutely? Because this is

we're running this back. I'm not going to even try to get there every question over just took the job. We gotta do a part two. Question. My question for you is, and I'm touring because I know you guys have a switch? I do you guys knew it? Are you guys going on for that? Like? We know we have to switch because what I'm seeing is sometimes you guys, like last night, you get the switch and you can do it for spurts when you guys have enough energy to sustaining and be able to do it. That's part one.

And then the second part is if you can't get that switch, I still have you guys in the playoffs. I still have you guys, like, so is it the regular season versus the playoffs? In that switch? Give me inside of the locker room? What's doing? What do you think? Uh? I think we definitely know and understand that we have a switch. But our struggles this year hasn't been because we're not flicking the switch. Um our struggles have been. And by the way, this is why you are who

you are. This is why you're great when I watch you on TV, and you're going to continue to get better. It's because you you can get people to say things that they probably wouldn't say to anyone else. And so here I am about to say something that I would not say to anyone else. Don't forget, which is I think a lot of our shortcomings this year is my fault. Why is it my fault? Because I have not been the leader that I am and that I need to

be for this team. And the reason that I have not been that leader is also my fault, right, Like I think we all know what happened with your young Wolverine brother, um JP. And so for me, I've kind of had to walk a fine line of not really being Draymond. And when I'm not really being myself, that's

not the best thing for this team. And so where where we've struggled as accountability and and and and and and accountability on the defensive and accountability on offensive, and you know, the accountability that it takes to have a winning team. And that's my role on this team. And I felt short in that area, and there's something that that's something that I have to be better at it. I have to get back. But when I look at our struggles, it's not just because we haven't flipped the switch. No,

it's because guys haven't been. I be in the number one corporate who they need to be and fulfilling their roles on this team. And like I said, I'm number one because it all starts with leadership. And and although I'm not the only leader on this team, that's my area of leadership. See I leads definitely andre Lee Clay, but we are leading different areas. That's yet and that's my area of leadership, and I have felt short there. So I don't think it's necessarily a um like we're

just not flipping the switch. I think it's more so we have to really dive in on those things, starting with me. I have to be better at holding guy's accountable and not stay hostage to the preseason situation. You know, don't don't let it hold me hostage because in turn is gonna hold this team hostage. So I have to come out of that, and I've been working to come out of that, and I'm starting to turn the corner. And I feel like when I turned the corner there,

it will allow everyone else to turn the corner. And so that's what that's what I feel. It's been wrong, and I don't think it's just a flip, although we can't flip it. I don't think it's been that. I

think it's been accountability and it's all my fault. I think what you just said, and that's why you are where you are because there's so many stars, superstars, Hall of famers who don't hold that accountability, especially self accounting, because the most honest moments coming to you and god, you know, because you can't lie to you doing and what you just here right there is exactly why you guys will put this with that's the perfect one in part with I don't know what you got going later

all the night, and we need part to today. I don't know what we can do that today. You let me know your schedule will hot back on the night, but we're still gonna send it out to y'all Part one and part two, and just so y'all know we're gonna shoot it tonight. I appreciate you, my brother, the Vivid Vivid li