The Draymond Green Show - Tom Izzo

Fan Duel Sports Book makes it easy. What's up everybody? Welcome back to the draymond bringing show. As you can see, I'm in the same place that I was in last week. This is part two of our series. What what brought me back here to Michigan State was obviously the hall of fame, but whether the hall of fame happened or not, I was coming back anyway. Last year Travis Walden and Austin Thornton started an incredible thing here at Michigan State

and it's our Michigan State Ground Week. And what that is is, you know, we come in for a few days, we bring all the pros back, we bring everybody back. It's a basketball reunion for not only the pros but guys who played in this in this program Um, for men and women that worked in this program it's an opportunity for all of us to come back, and so I would be here anyway. Nonetheless, the Hall of fame did happen and it's something that I'm so thankful for.

Uh is such an incredible honor. But I'm excited as hell about this next interview because without this guy there is no hall of fame. Without this guy, there is no podcast that you care about, because I would never have the platform that I have and been afforded with if it wasn't for this man sitting to my right. Hall of Famer, and if you he was a hall of Famer in my book before he became a hall

of Famer. Nonetheless, he is national champion Guy who's Lad so many kids, young guys, young men like myself, to live out their dream, and it's one thing that would stick with me forever. He would always say to me, I'm living my dream. My only thing that I want for I've been successful enough, I've been lucky enough to live my dream. I just want to see you live your dream, and that's such a rare thing, because people get ahead and they don't really look out for for

those behind them. They don't really care to see you grow. They always want to see you grow, but never bigger than them, and it's so it's such the opposite with this guy to my right. It's my coach, but more than the coach, he's a father figure to me. He's a friend to me and you know, I think that's

one thing that stuck with me. As soon as I finished playing, he said, Hey, man, I'm no longer your coach, I cannot really really be your friend, and he's still by that at times that I would go through my ship with with with my team, I'll get in trouble. First person to Bob called, first person that Steve called, is this man to my right. I'm honored and it's a pleasure. Coaches, though, thank you for coming on the show, draymond. That is as well said as you could say it,

but it's kind of interesting. I wouldn't be in the hall of fame without you. You know, it was you guys, it was my teen Um players. Coaches get credit, coaches get blamed, but players play the game. You know, and

I've said a million times. I'm so happy that you remember, but a couple of those things, because it is important to me that you, uh, you get to live your dream, because you're gonna find out what your own kids you found out, what your own team you found out what the players you followed here and helped us recruit that Um, sometimes it's almost more fun to watch other people following your footsteps and do get to live their dream. And I've said it, you quoted it. I believe it. I

think you believe it. Now that you have kids and all the things, you're gonna even see it even more, no doubt. So take take let's let's let's let's go back a little bit. Take me on this journey. Um, you come to Michigan state as a graduate assistant. Your work what two or three years as a graduate assistant, you leave for Tulsa. That was short lived. Taken me on that journey. Well, I was. I first of all, I came here as a Grad assistant at twenty six,

but you're supposed to do that at two. But I was up in a a little different up there and I couldn't get out of there. So I kept begging judd and I said I'll come as a g A. said you're overqualified. I said I just want a chance, and so I was a three year g a. As you know, they're two year G A. So it took me a little longer. That's why I believe in process. But I did and I was about to get out of it. I was going to take a job at Michigan Tech University Division to school up in the U

P H. It was out of money. I didn't make any money as a G A and I got a chance to get a job at the University of Tulsa. I went there for six weeks and Mike Dean left here. That the number one guy and jed heard me back and that's where my journey really started. I guess you know. I was thirty years old. I had the break of a lifetime. Then had another break when jed retired, and the rest is history, history. It is history Um for you. When you look over the program, Judd had had success,

Judd had magic. Obviously you were a part of that Um, and then the success kind of tell spike. It went down a little bit. Then Smitty came in and Smitty brought the program back to relevance but lost in the elite eight and then you take over to take over the program where it's not in the best space. What was it for you that helped you turn that corner and ultimately build what we know Michigan State is today? Well, you know, it's funny because when I came back from

Tulsa I went down to Detroit. Um they didn't recruit the state very much. And here I'm from the up you know, and not a very diverse area. And yet basketball, as we know, is uh higher percentage of African American players and kids from the inner city. So I went down to look at a kid named Eric Wilson who ended up a set and forder. went to Minnesota and I saw the skinny little guy over there and it

was Steve Smith. I came back, I told Jed, I said, Hey, it's a guy down there, man, he's six four or five, he's skinny but he's got great skills. And Jed went down there. He found in love with Steve and we recruited Steve. And that was in six right after we lost Scott skiles, Sam Vincent, Kevin Wills, really good players, all pros, but we didn't have great teams and back when. You know, listening to you and Mateen Talk Um, leadership is a big key, you know. And Uh, you don't

have leadership, you don't have anything. You know, likership doesn't make it. It's leadership that makes it. It's not what everybody likes you, and that's why it's been so much fun to watch your career. Battle with a few teammates, battles with a few coaches. Me and you had some credible halftimes, incredible time outs, and yet man always knew the same thing you guys talked about when he was important to you. And so when I the job over, Um got Steve Smith when I was an assistant and

it just made me realize how important state is. And then the Fab five came a little after that at Michigan, and uh, I just said, when I get this job, I'm gonna win with in state players. You gotta put a fence around your area, you know, and our area was that I could get kids up as freshman and Sophomores, I could get him the football games, you know, I could get to see him more often. So I thought being within this three four hour radius was very important

and believe it or not, nine of my career. That's what I've done. And then, you know, and I went to flint to look at Morris Peterson. He wasn't ranked in the top two hundred, and Tonio Smith. He had brothers that played football. He wasn't really ranked, but I thought I had to get my feet in and those guys, especially Antonio, brought toughness. Plus I knew his best friend was matine. So I was recruiting for the future president. And then when we landed him, Um, you know, it

really started to take off. And then flint and then Saginaw. You know, as you're a guy, Jay rich, and yourself, and we had other guys and we missed it on a few guys, but it was special and and and you know what I mean. Think about MOA's mother. She was insane. Your mom, she was insane, you know, but they were like all in. I gotta stand around here. There's no such thing as being half pregnant. Okay. Well, I love guys that are all in, and you guys were,

your families were. It didn't mean that we didn't have problems, and that's what I've you know, I listened to you guys talk about me, but I listened to you guys too, and I don't think anybody realizes that I wouldn't be half as good. I mean, I fought what the team morning, noon and night. So it was easier dealing with you because I fought with him morning, noon and night. And yet I did promise him we'd win a championship and we stood on that floor and and we said we

did it, and he's right. You know, nobody believed it. Then you came along. You know, you think about leaders. You had magic Johnson in the late seventies, then you had Steve Smith in the late eighties, okay, and then you had the uh, you know, really the cleaves, in the late nineties, and then you in the late you know, Travis Walton and you. We always had a running mate. Guys did. It was you and Trav in the two thousand and nine ten elevens, you know, and then Denzel

did a pretty good job. So you know, you you look at it, but it's scary because of all those years I can only name four or five guys. That's how special you guys are and how few there are of you that are good enough to be respected but strong enough to use your platform. No doubt, no doubt. I appreciate that. Um for you, uh way, coach keeps saying the U P for you. None Michigans. That's the upper peninsula of Michigan. For you, are you per um

to become who you've become? And Be Right, there's coach K, there's Roy Williams, there's Dean Smith, there's legends and there's you with those legends. How how does that feel like? I haven't, I haven't reached a pinnacle of what I do. So few people get to really reach the pinnacle, the top, the very top, of what they do, and you've done that, Mr March, all the all the magic that you've created in March. How does that feel like to just be one of them, guys? Well, it feels humbling and it

feels I appreciate that. It wouldn't been down without you. Guys. You know I am not stupid. I mean you, you last in this because you're not dumb. And better players make you a better coach. So I know Steve Kerr thinks that because we've had many talks about you. And better players doesn't always mean the greatest player, it means the greatest winner. You know when when they came calling about you. Oh He's too small, oh he's too this, oh he doesn't shoot it well enough. You know what,

I hate to tell you this. I said, you're right, you're right, you're right. Now, he's not great, you're right, not a great defender. On with with the quickness. You're right. Well then, what does he do? Why should I draft him? He wins, I said. As a freshman he didn't play a ton and by the end he was leading us to the final four because in winning time he played and in winning time he played. I'll never forget one

of my favorite games with you. Um We went to Gonzaga and UH Jud heathcote lived there and he said, why are you playing in the Kennel? Why don't you play down town? Nobody wins in the Kennel. And you remember. It was crazy and I think you had thirty six you hit about five threes. You did so many things and we won by a couple and you have always done what it takes to win. We make tapes of this guy on setting screens, on getting rebounds, on playing

offside defense, does all the little things. You know, not steph curry shooting a hundred threes, not clay Thompson, not Kevin Durant, not Lebron James, doing what they do. It's called the dirty work, but dirty work, if you're a coach, are the guys that win for you. And that's why so many great players haven't won four NBA Championships, you know. And and if a REF would have made a good call, you would have won a national championship. That is a fact.

I got the I got the fucking tape and I don't say that much on TV, so sorry, but whatever, but I do and uh, you know, it hits you in the arms with six seconds left or down one, we lose the game and we would have beat Duke that in the championship game and you would have had your national championship there. You would have had your one

at the warriors. You would have to one in the Olympics and but your yours is going to be complete when you get in the hall of fame, Not Michigan States, but the national one that's around the corner after a few more championships. Yes, sir, no, I appreciate it and obviously that's the goal, Um, that that I am chasing. Number One, you look you look as great as I've seen you look and ten years like. You just look like you're not stressed anymore. You look like you're rejuvenated.

You look happy, which makes me happy because I worry about you sometimes. I know how much ship you take on, and there was a period four or five years ago, but they also tried to leave you for dead and they tried to write you off and lump you into

something that had absolutely nothing to do with you. And one of the things that I love and respect about you is, no matter what, whether it's your ship, whether it's my ship Um, whether it's someone else's ship that they just try to throw on you because you are the big name, because your time is though, you stand, tintoes down and you still tintoes down and you still here and you made it through that. But what did going through that do for you coming out on the

other side? I know it was hell going through it for you, but coming out on the other side of it, what did going through what you went through do for you and got you into place that you're in today? Well, somebody very seldom talk about but I'm with you. I'm talking about it. It's it was one of the hardest things I ever went through and it was hard for some of the people went through some of the things they had to go through. But never been in that position before and I I did what you guys, I

hear you guys time. I believed in myself. I knew what I had. I knew there were very few, thank God, for some of you that some of my best friends, some of my best friends in the media. I mean they thrown me to the wolves and I resented that. It's why I have a greater appreciation for what you guys do every day. But I hung in there and I believed in what I thought was right and I

did the best I could and it wasn't easy. There was no blueprint for it, Um, but I did hang in there and and and I went through even a tough time. You know, we won three big ten championships, went to a final four. But even when you had your Jersey retire, remember your whole team came back, your coaches, your owner, and we embarrassed ourselves against Duke and you came into my office at about eleven thirty that night after my meeting and sat down and said, you know,

you told me some things. You didn't think I was doing right, and you know, people will never appreciate that because I'm the old man, you're the young kid and we're supposed to bill tell you what you do wrong, but I think I don't. I'm not your coach, no more. Definitely I am your friend. You treat me like a friend. I don't hope I treat you like a friend if

I think you're doing something that's gonna hurt you. I think I got the courage to tell you that night in one of my toughest losses at home in the history of my program. I mean you went at me a little bit and one of the things you know, we're gonna get younger. We gotta do this, we gotta do that. And, as you noticed, I listened and Um, and I feel comfortable about that, and I I listened

and I, you know, learned to listen. Listen to learn is what we use around here, and I think I did listen to learn and I appreciate it and that's why I know that they used the Kleaves has dismissed. There's certain guys, not a million of them, a lot of good guys that I love. Not a million guys. Will tell me what I don't want to hear. I don't think there's a million guys anymore that tell players what they don't want to hear. And Uh, but when you do it, that's real love. That is real love.

When I speak of rejuvenation, I think it's it's it's showing on your face, but where it's definitely showing is in the recruiting classes that you started to pull in again, Um, and I think to me, I think that's because you're just all you. You're back all in, like you've you've teetered with retirement for a few years now. I don't hear you talk about it at all anymore. Do you think that's been the key, until you getting back into

on the recruiting trail and bringing in the classes? Now that we're bringing in like we're starting to bring in top ten classes again, do you do you contribute some of that to your rejuvenation and just feeling like no, I'm I'm in this thing like I don't even I don't even ask you anymore, coach, how much long are you gonna do it, because I feel like at this point now you're just gonna do it till you die. Don't you die on us. I need you so Um, like,

how has that really had? Did that? I think? I think it was the eighteen season when we had jaren and miles and we really had a good team. I mean we were thirty, thirty one and four or five, and maybe we had a good team and we're playing the first round and that Troit. But it was also the time of my darkest moments, when I was going through those things that our whole university and everybody was

going through. And that game ended at beat by Syracuse, by one, and the game ended and I thought that team was good enough to win a national championship and I kind of felt relieved I didn't have to go to another press conference, I didn't have to answer things, and I lived at that for a while. Then I thought what a WHIMP, you know, like, what am I doing? You know, and and that started the process, you know.

And then, you know, a lout of nights we had talks and and you know, Mattina and I had talks and you just kind of realize, and I love what you guys were talking about when I heard you, is that, Um, only certain kind of people are built for certain kind of things, and I do think I'm one of those guys that want to take on problems and help out and make others better. You know, he said great players make other players better. I don't think great players do.

I think those are the elite players. Great players play great, but elite players make other guys that aren't that good better. That's what I watched. You do you know everybody. You Know How many times you score over ten points, but the consistency and the way you you know, I always joke with people, and I told step this at your wedding, that Um, you know the Lineman, the great running backs, they always buy the Lineman a rolex or something when

they have a thousand yards season. You know, uh, those guys better buy you something. A number of screens and a number of passes, you said that lead to their baskets. They better buy they better buy you a house, because they make more money than those, than those running backs. They do a lot more money than running backs. So now that I did say that, how much longer do you want to coach? You know, I know one thing I'm not gonna do. I've watched some guys Um, stay

a year or two too long. You know, Um, I'm not into anything, but the day that I feel like I'm I don't want to take red eyes, I don't want to go out recruiting, I don't want to have meetings in my office like some of the ones we had. I'm gone. I mean I I and if I'm not, I know you'll tell me. I know Mo will tell me, and nosty, you know, I got some guys that will tell me. It's time, you know, but you are right. I am rejuvenated. You know, right now the campus Um,

it's it's electric right now. You know, mal has done an excellent job. We're putting seventy million into football. We just put a bunch into hockey. We got cranes in the sky again. We got students walking. You know, two years of Covid two and a half years, we had nobody walking around. I got an office with windows in it so I can watch people walking. There's nobody walking.

So I'm like energized by that. You know, I love the students, I love the place, and we have six hundred and fifty thou living the Lums, and yet we have guys like you. That being pride. You know, heard more talk about Matt, you know, and Matt Calsey says I'm gonna get all the guys from the championship team. WE'RE gonna GO WATCH draymont. You know, I came out, my wife and I for the first two games and UH had fun out there, and then we went to

Boston and you know the Boston Garden. My first time I'm there, all the things you hear about it, and I watched my guy win a championship on their floor. That was special, and then he spent time when us after the next morning, you know, and Uh we were with all of our guys. It was all your Michigan State guys, all my Michigan State guys, and uh, that like revives you. I mean that energizes you. You can keep winning championships. Time for us to win another one.

Spend a little bit of that next contract money when you get it, fly out to that game that night and uh, that's that would be utopia for me. Absolutely. And before we get out of here, because we have we can get back to Um. There's been a big change in college sports. Athletes are now being paid for their likeness. I being someone who was really pushing for that, I still don't think it's what it should be like, okay, we're allowing people to make on off their likeness. Now

I think it's still time to pay the athletes. You're you're providing a service, you're bringing millions of dollars into these places and then the N C A and they just grab it. And I want to know how have you had to adjust as a coach? Like these guys are making real money now. Like I was talking to Travis yesterday. I walked in and I was just standing there looking at a j I said, traph just dude got money now. Like I saw Aj took a vacation

to Jamaica. That's incredible. Like, how have you had to change, Um, some of the some of the ways that you coach now, because when you add it to money, that's a different thing. When you give someone money, it changes things. How have you seen things changed in the professor? Well, first of all, let me say this. I do agree with you. I wish they would have come up with some kind of stipend, some kind of better thing. I'm all in favor than

name in Aage and likeness. So if you're worth something that you can do the pay a player without contracts, without you know, the ability. That I mean you can't be a free agent every year. These guys are free agents every semester and so that creates some problems. So what I call it is this and some day me and you're gonna sit down off the air and then we'll go back on the air, but and just talk about it. You know, what are the unintended consequences of

these things? This year there were over four hundred and fifty college basketball players that put their name in the portal and don't have a place to go. Uh. Four dred of those are probably African American kids. Now are not going to get an education. So there are more things to this whole thing. Can we do a better job taking care of the players? Can we figure out ways that, like my thing, a coach leaves, okay, this and that, it but to be a free agent every year.

If they were paying them, then there should be contracts, and contracts mean you don't get to leave every year. There's gotta be some work done on this. Dray, and maybe guys like you have a platform, but I think if you saw both sides, I just worry about are we really helping to educate these kids? Four years we've had guys go to four different schools. Now they're not graduating. You can't do that. I mean you know when you transfer from one school the other, a lot of credits

don't transfer. Changes and and and then you know, I'm gonna hit you with this one because I really believe it. You have the most unique team in basketball. I think you're a big reason. I remember the Kevin Durant thing. I remember you almost recruiting them. You know, I know what you did. But steph clay, Draymond, um iggy um, even looney. Now Steve Bob. You're talking seven, eight to ten,

twelve years. Where does that happen? It doesn't. Well, does think about college in this reunion you're at this weekend. Where would most of those kids go? I brought back Corey Lucius, who left after two years. You helped me during his troubled times and he didn't listen to us and he'd be the first to tell you. But he's back because I brought him back. How many coaches are gonna be there long enough? So where are these guys gonna go when they leave and have three different schools?

There's unintended consequences and I think Um me and you would be great to sit down and talk and you'd be great to talk to the N C A. There's there's so many things we got to do a better job with, but let's make sure that we understand that these kids are losing out too. You know, you after your freshman year now, you might have said goodbye and

you turned out okay. Absolutely, and you did a lot for this university and this university does some things for you, but you did a lot for this place and you gotta admit giving makes you feel good. That's why I do so. I just worry about where it's headed, Um, and that's something that maybe, maybe that'd be you and I. That would be a good thing for you and I to because I've got enough power in that. Not that we have any power as coaches, you have as a player.

Maybe we can get the two sides together and really do what you and Mo talked about, helping other kids get to where they want to go the right way. I love and appreciate that answer because I think when speaking of a transfer protract, I worry about that and I don't worry about it because I do think, Um, I do think. You know, there are situations where kids should be able to transfer. You have the hardship thing. That just high if a coach. I think kids should

be able to transfer for that too. But the portal thing is little tricky because, like you said, when you can throw your name and every year, I talked about in my press conference yesterday before the Hall of fame ceremony, we won a game at Ohio state my freshman year. It's a big deal. They were really good. We were going on a road we were destroying everybody that year. We won the most games in the road games in the big ten. We won the big ten by the

largest margin in big ten history that year. I'm not sure if that still stands, but it was at that time and I got on the bus after that game. I didn't play. I'm piste off at you about that because I just heard something last night that said I'm tied for the most games playing. If you played me that game, I'd be ahead. So but I didn't play that game and I called my mom Ryan and I said, mom, I gotta get the funk out of here. I didn't

say that because my mom would slap me. I said man, I gotta get out here and she told me, yeah, what's going on? It's like, I didn't play, like you mean, what's going on? We just had a game. I didn't play. She's like, okay, so how you feel my I didn't play. Like okay, I need to get out of here. She said, well, you made your bad you gotta lay in the Click. WHOA,

but that doesn't happen anymore and that. But I when I think about that, I think about how different my life would be if I did leave right then, like all the things that's happened for me in my life, how great you've been in my life, how great this university has been in my life. I still think this is the best decision I've ever made in my life, was to come here, because it's set me up for the rest of my life. I met my wife here, Um, and I think, I think about if I had transferred,

how that would have turned out for me. It wouldn't have turned out to say so. I I do worry about that portal a little bit, for sure. Yeah, and that's and then the portal turns into they just free agent it and look for the best deals. And and you know what, when you're eighteen, nineteen, the best deals, I mean you gotta get nurtured. Yet you're a grown man now. You you've made decisions. You can make decisions.

At Eighteen, I made bad decisions, you made bad I mean, we all made that decisions, and that's why you either gotta have great parents or parents hand their kids off to the coach. If you've had three or four different coach, and I agree with you, by the way, a percent the coach leaves, the players should be able to leave and be eligible immediately. But I think how many guys weren't happy as freshman? Hell, I was, asn't two players unhappy as a plash because you all scored a bunch

of points. That's why you got recruited by schools, and almost nobody does that in college. Yeah, I'm gonna Average twenty two points a game in college. Nobody does that. So they're all unhappy and now you've got more people pecking on them to leave and this and that. It's really hard on the kids. I think Mel told me. I think there's like eight hundred football players don't have a home, and that doesn't include the people dre that

put their name in the portal. They don't even have to talk to the coach anymore and then they end up going to a school that's less than the one they thought they'd go to because nobody was really recruiting them, you know. Or they go to a school and then don't play hardly at all and they were playing thirty five minutes a game at the other. You know, I just worry about it. I mean, I'm gonna stick with this,

I'm gonna try to stay out of the portal. It's gonna probably get me, because I'm gonna believe in the guys that I recruit and I'm gonna be homegrowning when I'm gonna stick with him. And you know, you weren't a start when you got to the the warriors. Some people stuck with you and they're damn happy they did. And whenever you have one of your bad times and they call, it always ends up with yeah, but boy, we wouldn't win without him. I mean, it always ends

up with that. So I'm giving it away to those guys that call me, because you are special, and I don't say that you have toughness, you have leadership, you're not afraid of your voice and maybe the most important thing and anything you do in your life, winning is important to you when you're transferring around, when you're looking at just money and you're especially your eighteen, winning is

not the most important thing. You're making decisions because I get a little more and I ail money there, and making a decision because somebody promised me something there. It's not the same man. I worry about. I said this, I'M gonna survive. I worry about the guys and some people have said, you know, you really do. I really do, and I can say that honestly. So I don't like

everything about it. I think we've got to make some adjustments, but I think it's gonna take people like you and me, a player that maybe doesn't see it exactly like I do, to talk about it instead of these people at the N C and people that aren't involved in the basis stuff that are making the decisions. That's what I stroke with a government, whether it be administrators, come on down to the basement with me and then make the same decision,

I don't think they'd make it. Absolutely. I agree on coach. I can sit here actually a million questions. I can sit here and talk to you for hours, as we do often Um, but the reality is we got a program to continue to get better. So we'RE gonna get back out here with our recruits, with our family enjoy this weekend. But I want to thank you, and not

for it in down and doing this. I want to thank you for everything that you've done in my life, for for taking an eighteen year old kid from sagging or that thought I had the answers, and showing me how to become a man and then, once I thought I was a man, still continuing to show me, hey, man, just because you're twenty two years old now and you're making a little money, you're still not a man, and

continuing to guide me in my life. Um, being a father figure to myself so many other guys, being a close friend that I can call when everything is going wrong and I feel like my life is erupting in everything it's just chaos, being a guy I can call for getting on a flight to come see me six hours away for four hours and coming back. That stuff doesn't go unnoticed. I appreciate it. I turned around and I look at this like none of none of this happens for me without you, and I'm so thankful to

have you in my life. It's one of my biggest bragging points in the NBA. Your coach Ain't fucking like my coach, that your coach will never be like my coach. I love telling guys that, but the reason I love saying is because I know I can say it and I can make every argument, every valid point, to show a guy that is true. And the reality is most guys don't argue because there are many guys like you. You're so different. I thank you, I love you, I would do anything for you. I'll give my right arm

for you. Well, let me close this part for me by not just saying Ditto. But it's not a love fest. It's not like we've had more arguments than love fest. Respect and appreciation and I know I wouldn't be here without some of you guys. There's four or five a year and, let's face it, smitty third is some of it for me, and then Mo and then you and Trav and and you know, and the beat goes on, and a lot of other great players. But you know,

as coaches we look for difference makers. You're a difference maker. You're a difference maker in the League. You're a difference maker when when you argue with Charles and and and what you do there and I call him and I laugh and it always ends up the same, whether I talked to Steve or Bob or Charles or somebody else. Um, everybody can have one opinion and at the end of the comment it is God, you gotta love that Kid. Huh. God, that guy has done so much for you. Right, I

said so. I'm in my sixties and you were in your twenties or you're in your thirties now. But Um, I still learn from you. I want to learn more from you. I do want to talk to you about how we can make college basketball better. I do want to talk to you about what we can do around here to make it better. We got some years left, most of us. So I love you. Um, I love

your family. I appreciate you, and even your mom. Remember now she said that it freshman your software or she was mad at me all the time and I came in and told you you gotta get your mom off twitter match killing me. And yet on senior night she gave me a plaque like keeping my office in my house. That was the most endearing plaque and I love your mom. You know I mean it just it's it's a family affair and I appreciate you, brother, and I I wouldn't still be here if it wasn't for you. I mean that.

I and most done a lot for me and but you kind of carry this torch and you carry it because how you are in the NBA. Everybody laughs that I want to coach guys that are tough and it's a football team on hardwood, they used to call my teams. You're still doing it, man, you're in your thirties, ye're still doing it and you're winning championships and you got some more to win. Absolutely, but I got another one to win, so let's do it together. No Dog, I

love your coach. I appreciate you. That's a rap. Michigan State is Raymond Green Show Up Peace