The Draymond Green Show - Live In New York With Old Man and The Three

fan duel sports book makes it easy. Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome to a very special and also very last minute collaboration between the old Men of the Three and The Draymond Green Show. Timing wise, it couldn't have worked better. Draymond just won his fourth championship. He's also got arguably arguably the greatest basketball podcast out right now, definitely the

hottest out, the hottest out. I mean some people, some people would maybe argue there's some other really good ones in this case, and this guy, I think we're okay being number two. His content over the last month. I do want to point out one thing. Um a few months ago, Duke played Michigan State in this in the Sweet sixteen or to go to the Sweet sixteen. I texted Draymond and I said, I said, Dre, let's let's let's have some action on this game. And normally when

I bet college basketball games, it's usually with you. And see, guys, those guys are ran tombly, very cheap, and they want to do hundred dollar bets. Two hundred dollar bets. I knew Dre was the real deal, so I said, let's bet a bottle of d r C. Of course duke one and uh, it was close, but Dre showed up tonight with a two thousand six Rischerberg. So let's give Drey a hand on that. The man pays his debts.

All right, we've got a great show for you guys tonight. UM, let's welcome in Draymond Green from the Draymond Green Show. Let's go Somatic entrance. Hello, everyone, I just throw my wand a little bit that wasn't a real player of me. I'm here. What's up, guys, It's up, man, this is great. We um, just so we know they're they're the reason there's a fourth chair is that we randomly five minutes ago learn we we probably are gonna have a surprise guest at some point in the show tonight, so we

appreciate that. Dre. I got a question for you because I've never wanted uh an NBA championship and you've won four. Um, I got one spur take Take me through, Take me through the last eleven days since you guys won, the the aftermath of that feeling, the aftermath of winning a championship, well, there's been a lot of shut ups and fuck you. Um just just been absolutely amazing. What are they gonna say now, Draymond versus everybody? I like that She's ready

shout out to her. Uh you, No, honest league, I'm getting old and I've just been chilling like at home doing nothing. Like my wife's been trying to get me the fly all over the place. Let's go to Cabo. Then she leaves to l A. Let's go to l A. And I was supposed to lead to l A on Wednesday. I pushed the trip back every day until Sunday till I had to leave and be My flight to Hear was from l A, so I had to fly to l A Sunday. So the drunk Draymond that y'all. Sea said, Yeah, Nope,

I wasn't quite that guy this time around. I've been at home, chilling, trying to get my feet under me. Man, it's been crazy, snuts. I get a question though about the parade. Um. Again, not to be self deprecating too much, but I've envisioned that happening in my life and it never did, unfortunately, m Um. And you know, we did a bit on on ESPN. We did a bit about who the m v P of the Warriors Parade was,

and certainly you're a candidate for that. Clay Thompson had five or six viral moments in the span of two hours, and and Steph seemed to really let go a little bit absolutely who was your m v P of the Warriors Parade? It definitely wasn't me. I mean, I've had my moments and I've had my parades that I owned. It wasn't that one. Um, I have to go cold m v P for stuff and Clay and here's why, Like you just hit a stuff never lets go like that. Like, I think people have seen another side of stuff that

they had never knew existed. And it's great to me because I've seen this side of stuff like for years and to see him um like outwardly own everybody and on outwardly on his situation. Normally he quietly does it. You saw the celebration after the ring. I read the lips. You know, we we know what he said um or not after the ring when he was about to get the ring. It was just a totally different stuff. And then you got Clay. Who I mean, the guy completely

tackles some woman in the boat. On the way to tackle the woman, he loses his hat in the water, he loses his championship ring. And the reality is is that kind of sums up Clay, like he'll lose his head if he's not attached to his shoulders. But but like that's Clay, Like Clay's the guy who will wake up for practice late, look at the clock like, ah,

I'm already laid. I'm just not going like and and so to see those two guys in that element like like surprise, surprise, I was cussing everyone out surprise, like who But you didn't expect that from I mean, I expected that from Clay, but you didn't expect that really from those two guys. And like I said, when he tripped over the thing. The reason that's the moment of the parade, because if he does not hit that woman, he's fucked up. Like no, there's like, all right, somebody

helped me out on the street. There's like these little events, you know, they all yeah, So they got him in San Francisco in the middle of the street. He's on that like he's about to fall on that, and then he hits this woman and crushed her and she fall on it. So like that had to be the time of the parade. I gotta go cold and VP for Stephan Clay, Speaking for yourself, did you have a favorite fuck you? My favorite fuck you was my daughter sitting on the side of the float, like like that was

that was my favorite during the parade. Um, my favorite since the parade and all of this is Skip Bayless. Uh, everybody agree, like, fucking guy sucks. My favorite after parade was the podcast Yesterday I called Jackson Jackson's fucking on vacation somewhere and I'm like, Jackson, I called him on. I text him on like Thursday and Friday. I'm like, Jackson, we really need to do a podcast now, mind you. Jackson's been hitting me up since Sunday, Jackson, I can't

think straight. I just want a championship. You probably shouldn't hit me on Sunday. It's even before the parade, just getting back from Vegas. But nonetheless, so then I finally hit Jackson back on Thursday Friday. I'm like, Jackson, we really need to do a podcast, and he's like, I think it'll be cool if we just do it on Monday at the show and I'm like, yeah, Jackson, I kind of have a lot of ship to say and I really need to do this podcast. He's like, yeah,

but I'm kind of on vacation, Like all right. So we did the podcast yesterday morning, and it was absolutely I thought it was amazing. I hope everyone else thought it was amazing. But to absolutely destroy skilled Baylis, I never see the rebuttal, but I'm sorry he was as shitty as he was when stephen A just crushed him last week. He looked like he was about to cry when he's responding to stephen Aint. But the reality is the reason you should believe stephen A. No one one

is a real guy. And I'm not just saying that that's my guy. But Shannon actually saved the guy when he went to the next network. So when stephen A comes out and say, no, this show was suffering, and I came on and say that, you'd be a fool not to believe that because the show was suffering and Shannon came on to save it. So I enjoyed that more than anything. He wanted to throw it out. You got to take the punches if you go on dish

one brother one. One thing to note is, Um, stephen A said all this stuff about Skip Bayliss on the Old Man at three. I just wanted to make that. Hey, no, I just wanted to make that. Stephen had also said some similar things on different interviews. Um. And by the way, we will at some point over the next hour touch on new media. I don't want to go there quite yet. You mentioned Steph as the co m v P, and I want to kind of go there and Steph and I've been UM very vocal about this, Like Steph is

is my favorite player of this generation. He was a guy that you know, I obviously admired, I love competing against, I love the joy that he plays with and all that stuff. Game four early and then Game six at the end when he was crying, the emotions that he showed, the intensity and Game four early in the game, the crying at the end, I have to think, and yours teammate, I have to think that this championship meant a little

more to him. Whether that had anything to do with Kevin Durant in eight in seventeen and eighteen, or whether it was him not winning the m v P in two thousand and fifteen, I'm not sure what it was. It just seemed like, at this moment in his career, this one meant a little bit more. I think it definitely did um number one. The emotion from him in Game four, I selfishly think, and I'm and no one's gonna stop me from thinking this. I selfishly think it was in protection of me. I struggled so bad in

Game three. I was a fucking disaster. And the reality is I was a little rattled, and I'm never rattled on an opposing I was a little because it was just unexpected, Like you expect the booze, you expect um, you know, people screaming at you and yelling, But I never expected twenty one thousand people to be yelling fuck you Draymond like and and then You're running down the court and on the sideline is fucking bitch, And I'm like, whoa, Like he's a guy has some shortest saying everything except

the in word almost it's like. And so I was a little thrown off by on top of I was struggling playing, and so what you dive into is you're struggling playing. I mean, it is your game, but I couldn't really dive into that. I was struggling, and so I'm like wow, and I think he visibly saw that, and so I think the emotion coming out Game four. I told him at the end of game for for all the people that say Stephan Clay carries you to

a championship, great thanks. I got four of them. Um, But at the end of game for on the court, I said thank you because they were going to fucking destroy me, like I appreciate it. And he's like, nah, now, how you know what's up? Like this is what it is. And so now fast forward into game six. In the overall feeling for him, Listen, we we we know the day and age we live in. We know how important the media is. You know, we always speak on new media and all this stuff, but the media is important.

Like I always say, it baffles me that media doesn't look at this thing as a partnership, because the reality is our thing don't work without them. It does not grow to be doing eight to ten billion dollars of revenue or whatever it's doing without the media. On the flip side, they had nothing to talk about during COVID when no one was playing. So none of this works without the other. And it baffles me that it's not

viewed as more of a partnership. And I felt that for Steph, he's been ridiculed and you're talking to a guy who who does nothing wrong. Like if you say, yo, show me the model citizen, I can show you Steph Curry and show you the model citizen like that just doesn't do much wrong at all. And he's been ridiculed. His talking about his legacy here has no finals MVPs

blah blah blah. As much as you don't show you feel that you feel it, And I know he felt it, and so to go on, Um, here's another thing before I gone. I think the ultimate sign of respect that you can show someone to invite them into your home, like that's the ultimate respect you can give me is to open the door to your home for me, and Steph I felt like opened the door to his home for Kevin, and Kevin came in, and God Damnitis is home for you too. We all brothers. None of the

stuff works without Kevin, we all know that. But for me to open, for me to open this door for you and you come home and then it's successful. I feel like that should just go on and on and on and on, and then you kind of just abruptly exit, you know, and then you look, you know, then you have to remember the details. Steph, flying from Japan, redirects his plane to not go to San Francisco to come to New York, only to find out on Instagram an hour before he land that Kevin was coming to the

Brooklyn Nets. I think it's all of those emotions wrapped up into one and and what you get is a Steph Curry talking more ship than me and it's great and I absolutely love it. So so there there, there's there. There's two parts to this that that partnership, right, there's all the things you talked about with Steph, and for Steph Curry fans, Golden State Warriors fans, I think the fact that he hadn't won the Finals MVP, despite the

fact that I say this all the time. You know, he's he's the only guy that has been twenty five, five and five for the finals winning team and not one m v P. He did that three times prior to this year, so he's been great in the finals. So some of that was because of Lebron's performance in fifteen. Obviously Iggy being great in that series, starring in his role but not being the guy, and and because of that, those four votes that went to Lebron, like they didn't

go to staff or whatever. There is a part of this though, where because you guys had one before and now that you've won after, Kevin maybe doesn't get enough credit for seventeen and eighteen, at least from my perspective, And I want to get your opinion on that. Well.

I think number one, going back to two thousand and fifteen, um Andre was absolutely amazing, and I think what it came down to when it when when discussing like the Finals MVP was I'm not sure if everyone remembers that Game six that Andre had for us to win, but every time they made a run, he hit a big three right wing right corner and then obviously he was guarding Lebron. Now I think people would look at it

and say, but look at Lebron's numbers. But what people doesn't understand is you never shut these guys down like you don't like you're not gonna look and say, oh, man, he held Lebron the seventeen points, like no one fucking holds Lebron the seventeen points. Your job is to make it tough, and I think Andre made it very tough. And then he had a couple of games offensively that he was lights out. So then Steph Steph doesn't go on to win and Lebron is performing incredible and all

of those things. But then you fast forward to two thousand and seventeen, and I don't think the outside world gave Kevin enough credit. I think if you came within our organization, Kevin was given all the credit because quite frankly, Steph Curry doesn't care, Like he would have never opened the door to his home to you if he did care, because guess what we know. We know Kevin Durant's absolutely incredible. We know Kevin Durant it's a superstar. Are so if

I opened my home to you. I'm already accepting the fact that I'm sharing my life with you, I'm sharing my stage with you. Clearly it's totally fine. And I think for us within the organization, we did everything we could to make Kevin the comfortable. We did everything we could to to let him know just like this is our home, this is your home too, brother. But the outside world did it. The outside world. He's joining the

team that won seventy three games. He's he's joining the team that already won a championship, and blah blah blah. But the reality is is, I don't think that team wins another championship if Kevin doesn't come. Now. You may say, oh, yeah, but y'all won the fourth one without Kevin. But there's a gap in there where teams started to figure us out. And would you would you guys have beat Houston those two years without Kevin. Yeah, we was beating him for sure.

That team was never gonna beat us. It just was not gonna happen. We would not have beat the Calves coming back around without Kevin. And here's why teams have figured us out. And I personally don't think at that point Steph Curry had figured out I'm going to get a bucket whenever I want to. I don't think he was capable of that yet. I think he was still growing into that. And so because of that, once teams started to figure our offense out, we were starting to

struggle more and more. I'm not sure if you remember that series of Okay, see where we were down three to one and we had to come back, And that's because teams have started to figure it out. And so what what then, in turn end up happening was Steph still creates all the havoc that he fucking creates. Like I tweeted, Steph faced so many double teams and Kevin didn't. That's a fact. Like you can go look at the numbers or just watch the game if you can analyze

the game better than Skip Bayless. And if you watch the game, then you see that steps getting double team, and Tyler then goes publicly and say I'm double team and Steph Curry every chance I get. Kevin wasn't getting double team. But the reality is is we got to a point where we needed to be able to give someone the ball that can just go get a bucket, and Kevin was already there. I don't think Steph was there yet, so it gets us through those two years.

We get those we get those two championships, but while we're doing that, Steph is continuing to work and evolving and most importantly becoming the strongest dude on our team. Until this day, he's the strongest guy on the team. And that allowed him to score whenever he wanted because you can no longer bump him off his path. Like I think about the dry against Al Horford when he was picking on Al Horford in the fourth quarter Game six. You you think about the drive that he had where

he boom, boom boom, and then he just drove. Al Horfor's riding his hip and he just lays the ball up. Normally, Al Harper would bump him off his path and he's ended up shooting a runner. He couldn't bump him off his path. And that's where Steph turned the corner and he became unstoppable. And now we're able to continue win the championships because he's unstoppable. And you think that process

started while Kevin was there or after Kevin left. I think it definitely started when Kevin was there, because in two thousand nineteen was when Steph really locked in on the way room, and so that's where he kind of starts taking that bump and and and kind of bumping it up a little bit. And although it didn't show it media, because then we were terrible and he broke his hand, you started to see in we were still terrible, but Steph was carrying us, and he carried us to

the playing game and we didn't get past it. It's probably great because we would have got swept, and that would have been the first series wherever got swept. So thank god we did make it. But I think you started to see it then, that growth and like, oh man, nobody can stop this dude now. And I think that really changed the complexity of our organization. And I'm pretty certain that's why we'll win three or from next for NBA Championships. I wanted to try. I wanted to ask

you about I want to ask you about game six. Um, what is it like? In particular, what is it like to suck the life out of an opposing arena in a game? Oh my god, there's no better feeling then going into an opposing team's jim and quiet in the crowd. But let me rephrase that there used to be no better feeling then going into an opposing team's arena and quieting the crowd. But quiet in those fox that took

the cake because they were so loud. Games three and then game four they got humble, but they were so loud. And then coming into game six, like you just knew coming in the game six, they tried to get a let's go Celtics chant going in the warm us and they might as well be in the g League gym because it it I mean, the sound of it was like are they cheering? Like they stopped the music and they now they did this a couple of games before, and like they stopped the music and it's like, oh

my god, it's loud in here. But like they tried to chant it and and you could have heard us three doing the podcast as quiet as it wasn't there. It was absolutely amazing. So now the best ondden in the world is going to the Boston Celtics TV Garden and quieting the cry. It does not give much better than that, It does not. You know, We've done three of these live shows and we we always like to have a visual component to these live shows, so we

have actually prepared a video. Unfortunately, we all have to get up while the screen rolls down. Draymond and you know, mad Dog, Mad Dog and I on stephen a Show first take. We Um had some disagreement about Draymond Green and his antics, but I just thought we could put together a compilation just from this year's playoffs of some

of Draymond Green's antics. As we closed the five minute parking for the first time in his career, final decision goes, hey, I'm holding him up, man, Oh this is great, big fuck you here. I'll lay the legs. He's gonna be badock. Keep his runs right through him. I don't I'm not going to see instagram what fight? This ser round took exception to Green's legs being on a ass fell Frank Will he was six. Raymond Green was the foul y'all. Don't be seeing these guys picking with me. Bay just

refix the face again. That's incredible, right, that's a baby, Draymond. I want to get into some of these specific plays in a second. I think the most obvious place to start here is why are you such a dick? Well, that's a nice way of saying it. Um It does it does the reality is that I used to be a dick, A big dick I used to be. I've changed, but but because I used to be such an asshole, I think people still feel the need to pick with me because going coming in in their mind they think

I'm coming into being an asshole. Like there's guys that I used to bully. Are you in to the bully in the league, And like, over the last couple of years, I've changed so much that I'll walk up to him and be like yo, and and I'm like, no, I'm just coming to say how you doing, Like what's up? Rather than like you right? They're like, oh, yeah, man, I'm good, how are you? And then it's a big smile. So then you see, like like Grant Williams is picking

with me the entire series. I'm from sagging all j J. That's why I'm with Dick. I don't know with the Memphis series in particular, do you respect all the ship that they talk or is there a part of you where like you guys haven't earned it. Oh no, I love it. I think it's absolutely incredible. I love them talking ship. I think it's great. You know, I've spoke on on the podcast before about Memphis being oblivious to the situation, like they're they're you know, serious, it's not

in it's all. It's actually a compliment. They're young and they don't know how big these moments are, so they're just oblivious to it. We've been there before, where you're just in the moment and you're playing and like I'm my third year, were competing for a championship, Like you're just in that moment, like you don't know how big this moment is. You don't even know. They're getting nervous

because you don't understand how big the moment is. And so I've said that about Memphis, like those young guys, they're unfazed by anything, and a large part of the reason that they're in pace is because they just don't understand how big the moment is. Now, talking shipped to the team that won the championship after they beat you, after they win the championship is an entirely different level of oblivion. It doesn't get much more oblivious than that.

And I think for them, you're now gonna be expected to do that. You're now gonna be expected to win these games. And it's not as easy when teams are coming for you. And so I think now they're going to get their reality check. And it's not that they will still be able to win. They may still be able to win, but they're going to realize how much harder it is for them to win. And now because they're talking the way they're talking, they better lose that

oblivion because they better understand. These moments now are huge, Like you know, I love Job, I love his demeanor, I love he carry himself. I think being true and authentic to yourself it's like the way to go. You've shown that, You've shown that, I've shown that in this space, like being true to yourself. Authenticity as what sells everyone say controversy. Authenticity sells. Authenticity is why Stephen they sell not because he creates controversy. That was the case Skip

Baylors with self, but authenticity selves. And so I absolutely love uh Job and everything that he stands for. But now you're gonna be expected to do that and don't go out there oblivious. You better understand these moments because you go out there talking to him about yeah, come, I mean to show you the level of oblivion by the way I told me on Twitter, Yeah, bringing them to them for Christmas. No, nobody's coming to Memphis for Christmas.

Number one. Number two, the champs don't travel for Christmas. And I know everybody you know when you tweet under I said, shout out to LJ. Like Braun changed that rule years ago, where you win the championship, you play at home. So maybe we'll see them them kids in UH in the bay for Christmas Day. I would invite them over for dinner. They can have dinner with me and my family after we beat him on Christmas Day, if that game happens. I said this a few times

during the playoffs while they were still UH playing. So through the first round, through the second round. Um, not in the same way, but like eerily similar in some ways to our Oh nine Magic team that made the finals. It's like the first time a group goes through something and like has the capability to win a conference, to get to the finals. It's it's hard to gauge them and assess them in real time, and then of course you know they they lose to you, guys, Mr Goody,

there you go. It's it's like to tell you what's up. They'll tell you what's up? Man, point forward podcast, point four podcast. But it's it's it's hard to gauge them in real time, right, and and then of course they lose to you guys. But when you look towards next year, sort of like you said, you're gonna win three of the next four, great for you. I hope you do. Um, but when you look forward in the Western Conference and you think about threats, where do you see threats? Your knicks? Wow? Wow,

where do I see threats? He said to the the West, right, can we lead a NIX in Brooklyn out of this? He specifically did that, So y'all, don't boom me off the stage right away? Um, where do I see threats in the West? So I could be Memphis and be oblivious to it, or I could understand that they're a threat but not a problem. Memphis is a threat because they're young and talented. Now will they keep that together? Because I think a huge part of them is like

their camaraderie and being young altogether. But then you see they just traded the Anythony Mountain, you know, so you start to see those pieces get pulled out and it's not the same vibe. So then can they recapture that but there a threat, not a problem, but a threat. The Clippers got ty Lew as their coach, who I arguably it's arguably I mean, I have a great coach myself, uh, Steve Kerr. But for the sake of the old media debates, ty lewis arguably one of the best coaches in the NBA,

arguably the best. You know, someone can make that argument. Um, And then they have great players Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, the guys that they're filling in around them with you go, you go pull a trade off and get Robert Covington and and um and uh Norman Poe and you already have Marcus Morris there and Reggie Jackson. They're a real threat. But tune mate probably will resign there, Like that's a real threat, um, and a problem. Like they're a threat

and a problem. But other than that, were you surprised? Were you surprised? Uh, Dallas got there? I'm sorry, Dallas is a threat because they have one of the best players to play. And when you have like like by all means, don't get it twisted. There were a lot of reasons we want to finals, but we had the best player on the court. Every series we played there, So your your chances are winning goes through the route. In most series that Luca Donche plays in, He's gonna

be the best player on the floor. So because of that, you'll always give yourself a chance. And then they got Nico Harrison, who I mean, you and I both know how Nike negotiating. That was Nico negotiating those contracts. So they got Nico doing the job with Jake Kidd and and and I think they're secret ingredient to their thing is Jared Dully. Jared Dully is one of the smartest guys that I've been around when it comes to basketball, and you know does does it? Is very smart. So

I think that's their seeking agreeing. So Memphis, I mean, Dallas is a threat. I can't quite say their problem yet, but they are on a big threat. Memphis is a little threat. Dallas is a big threat. I want to actually go back for a second because I did have a question about this videos. Um, when you're on the ground, why do you try to pull people's pants down here? You know, Well, there's a legit reason. I want you to explain it. It's the same reason I got kicked

out of the fucking NBA Finals. No, man, it's just gonna step and stand over me. I'm sorry, I have a kid watching at home, my kids at most games. But like, how am I supposed to explain the dj uh daddy? Why is that dude standing over you while you laying on the ground, like because I I can't explain that. But what I can explain is why I'm pulling up on him. So because he's standing up, I can explain that. You know, I don't want my two daughters seeing a guy standing over me that I can't

respect that. And so why do I pull the shorts Is because my core isn't tight enough to just get myself up. So he used to short, Yeah I'm shorts to give me up. But I'll tell you what about pulling shorts. When Jalen Brown went in the media and said he trying and pull my shorts down, I knew I took his heart. I knew I took his heart, and not that I'll have it next year. I gotta regain it next year and next next time we're playing.

But I knew for the rest of that series I had him because you know, you're standing over me and you're gonna go to the media and said he was trying to pull my shorts down, Like, come on, bro, you're standing over me, like on it. I gotta tell all he's standing on that. You gotta stand on business. And when he said, oh, tell your alarm off man, we're pretty cool. We're pretty cool. We are pretty cool. When he said he's trying to pull my it's two

things that Jason Brown went to the media said. And one thing these young guys are gonna learn, like, hey man, you better pay attention to what you say because somebody else is watching. He said he tried to pull my shorts down. I said, yeah, I got him. It reminded me a lot of you remember the clip of Alonso Morning and Dennis Robin and Dennis Robins talking to him in Alonso like this motherfucker's crazy. When he said that,

I said, yeah, I got him. But another thing he said, and I sent it to our team, he said, we are not afraid of to go to Stay Warriors. I sent it to our team in the group chat and said, we are afraid of to go to Stay Worrise because nobody asked you or y'all afraid of us? Why then are you talking about that. He's like, we are not afraid of them. Uh, we will do this and we'll

do that. I knew at that point. I'm like, yeah, this is this is baby food, and this is over and we're gonna walk on out of here with the championship. So to answer your question, I answered your question. I pull up on the shorts that I got no other way of getting up, and I can't. I can't just later and like, imagine, imagine if I was trying to get up like this, it's all way. That's how I got to get up. So I pulled myself up and it works. It works. It looks worse than SloMo. It

honestly does. It looks worse than SloMo. Well, one thing we are certain of is the NBA definitely reacts to social media, and so y'all make sure y'all blast that clip of me saying I got bad core and I'm pulling up on the shorts to give myself up so when it happened next year, they won't suspend me. My second question about that video, very specifically, the when you foul Jalen Brown and you decided to move your legs to the right and rest them on his shoulders instead

of just naturally going to the left. It seemed it seemed like you decided at the beginning game too, that you were just going to be an asshole that night. And I want because I actually have said this on ESPN on the podcast. It seemed like after game one, you guys lose, You didn't play particularly well. You admitted that on the podcast. Going into game two, you were like,

I'm just gonna reek havoc no matter what. I also told you all I was going to I was shocked at the reaction of everyone after game two because I told you all what they say. They're watching your podcast and taking clues with them. And I told you all I was gonna act to as going into game too, because I was awful in game one. The reality is that I wasn't really awful, but you know we drove. I drove that, and so I'll take that. But I told you all like I was soft. We were soft.

We let them come into our house and get him win. We hadn't lost at home. I felt like I could go out there and bully them a little bit, and sure enough I was. And I hear their coach on the sideline and yell at stop talking to him. Why are y'all talking to him? Just stop, leave him alone. Don't get into that with him. And I said, you know what, I need to do more, And everybody's like, everybody's like, slow down, you're gonna get ejected. I told my mom, I said, Mom, and my fiance, by the way,

I blame my Game three performance on them. They dogged me after that game, like why are you like this? It's ridiculous. You need to carry yourself better, blah blah blah, and and so I knew that. I told my mom, I said, Mom, we are better off with me getting ejected and causing a bunch of haf it, then we are me just going out there and playing so off and going through the game and me standing in the game, because if I get ejected on that type of time, our team can win. I got benched in game four.

We still one like our team can win. But I'm gonna make sure I get them on that type of time. And so for me, it was like I'm gonna just go in and I'm gonna create this mindset of just totally disrespect these dudes and destroy them. And if I can create their mindset. Whether I get ejected or not, we're better than them. They're gonna just keep this going and we'll win this game whether I get thrown out

or not. So that was how I felt, and I rolled with it, and I I mean, I don't think I deserve to get kicked out though, which most people said I did. But it is what it is. Did you did you think it was easier at all because these guys had not been there before versus like when you're playing the Calves and they know what you're about to do. Well, it's easier because we're not playing Lebron James, right,

Andred Andred No, Like they asked me a question. They asked me a question to press conference, like how do the i q s rank against the Boston and Lebron? Like,

shut up, like what are we talking about. It's easier because you're not playing Lebron James, who was like the ultimate mastermind in our game, and so you're not playing that chess match for him, and like it's a lot easier to play chess match with anybody else, but against Lebron is different, and Bron can Brian can prepare his guys for what's to come, Al Horford couldn't prepare them for what was to come. So you know that going in, and you know, no, no disrespect to our Horford Horford

catching trays, Al Horford catching trays. I'm just saying, well, Al Horford also did this in game one, and then he did it in Game six and I laughed at him and they lost, but like they didn't know what to expect, and like going into that being in the finest five times, like you understand what to do with your family, you know, you understand what to do with

your friends, like you understand all of these things. I put my kids on a totally different floor in the hotel room, because you just need to stay locked into that moment. And so I knew. I knew that they weren't truly ready and prepared for that moment, and I knew we would be able to lean on that, and short enough we did. After Game three, you guys lose. It seemed like Boston was the younger team, the bigger team, the more athletic team. I know y'all all said it, faster, stronger, bigger,

more people said it. I may have said it as well. What I'm not lumping you in with what what? What? What changed? Though? Like because we can get into pick and roll coverage and uh, the turnovers and all that stuff, But what changed Game four, Game five, Game six, number one?

Game four, I figured out if you you send most of those guys left, it was not good, um, And so that I thought was a huge adjustment for us, and like faith like shading them guys to their left hand because they were so dangerous going right and they were just getting us in the right slot driving the basketball. You have to come over to help. They're kicking it out and now your whole defense is broken down. And that's what they were doing. And son, like, I'm gonna

try to force the left. See what they do. They start dripping a bitch off their foot and like all types of stuff. So I'm like, okay, we got some here. This is great. But what really changed was we knew Game one they shouldn't have won that game. We gave it away. They got hot. Everybody like went up in arms, and I was like, those three guys would have once that making shots will be all right, But like you know that, Like it reminds me of in game seven

when I had that credible Game seven. After that guys suspended, Like, that's all finding Danny and that's great, But if Stephan Clay not making shots, it's gonna be hard for us to get over the hump. When I got thirty three or thirty nine, it's gonna be hard for us to get over the hump if they're struggling. I think seven great. I don't know, I never watched that game for that game, but like, if those two don't got it, because we all feed off of them. So if I'm scoring, they

can't feed off that. But if they're scoring, the whole defense overreacts and then we all feed off of that. And I thought for those guys, they didn't. Now you look at those games that they won, and I'm like, like, we should have won both of these games. But going into game four, we knew that the only thing we had to do was forced them to beat us, not beat ourselves. We beat ourselves in game one, we beat ourselves in game three. Let's force them to beat us

and they weren't capable. Um, we're gonna bring up a special guest real quick to talk about new media. The reason that we did not bring up this guest earlier in the show is because he can talk for a long time, and I didn't want him to be a distraction for the show. So if he's around, can we bring on stephen A Smith? Please? This is about to get good. Oh they liked the new media here, they didn't share for you. I think, you know what. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys. I think that stephen

A deserves a better applause than that. Let's get this pass love absolutely, I appreciate it, but I I thought that at first Toplose was good enough. I was good with it. Let's go with it before we get to the new media. Is there anything that Draymond has said so far that you disagree with? What what you see? Here's the thing, Draymond is my dude, man, you know. I mean, he listen. I don't have to agree with with him. I agree with him most of the time,

I truly do. You know when he talked about my men, Skip bait as we we slightly disagree with that, you know, but but you know, as I've told Skip on several occasions, you know, and Skip ain't scared to eat it, you know, just because that's my man. He's the one that brought me on first. Take him, always has some love for him, but that don't mean I agree with everything that he says.

And so when a player collapsed back at him the way Russell Westbrook did the other day or whatever, or Draymond did others have done, you gotta handle that, you know. And that's one of the things that you know, I've I've often told people on first take, you know, this is a place for authenticity. You cannot talk about people and then get sensitive when they talk about you. Now you can address what they say. That's entirely different, different than trying to address who they are. And so I'm

very very specific about that. Honestly, That's one of the things that I truly respect about you. And I get piste off when when media start talking about all this other ship punching guys in the face and like all this other stuff, and my whole cry about all of this or not crying, but it's let's talk about basketball. Like, if we can talk about basketball, that's the discussion, that's

what the topic should be. Let's keep it basketball. And I think so many any times and when I speak of the new media and everybody's like, oh, but no one wants to just hear you talk exces and oos. It's not just exces and oose, but it's a way you go about your business. It's a mindset of how you go about your business. And it's the reason that on the podcast I said stephen A, you you you kind of part of new media too. You know, there's there's some stuff that I was personally shocked he put

you as part of the new media. I was shocked. The reality is, and I'm not just saying this because you sat here, because I've said it. When you're not sitting here, you tell the truth. Good battering different whether you like the truth or not, you tell the truth. Now, he do get to doing some of that old media stuff till sometimes and that we have to get on about that. But there's a real appreciation for how you

go about your business. And most importantly, what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate quite about others is there's not much authenticity authenticity to others. But you're authentic and I appreciate that, and I applaud that. I appreciate you man, thank you. I would say this. He got me there, you know, because he was like Steve, my friend, you you you're partner the new media too. And then he broke down the definition of new media, and I was like, damn,

he's right, he's got a point. You know he got he got me there because you know, you got a lot of folks in media, and one of the things that I try to encourage folks to listen, I played college ball and I got injured. But even if I was a healthy I couldn't shine y'all shoes. That's just the fact. Okay, I wasn't gonna get to the NBA. I wasn't good enough, damnit. Period. There are things that pro athletes know that we don't know because y'all experience

it in the locker room. You know what goes on. What I try to do, it's make sure you know. As I told you, j J, it's not that I know what you know. It's that I know enough because I've been reporting on the game that case to say, wait a minute, there is more to this story. You're gonna give it to me a not. That's the key you. The problem is you got too many people in media that want to act like they know what you know. No, you can't compete with dudes that are actually doing it.

What you can't do is say covering the sport and giving you an overview, following it, reporting on it, cultivating resources given, being given intel, learning what you learned. Okay, this is what I know, this is what I've heard. What you gotta say about that? See when you do that,

then y'all have nowhere to go. Now when you talk about where I would get on Draymond about is when when when Cedric Maxwell, for example, said what he said about Cedric Maxwell is a former player, right, and I don't think dred Cedric was saying, hey, he would have punched you in the face. He was talking about the culture that existed in the eighties. Now the media will bring that up. Now, if the media sets up thing says they would do it or should that should happen

to you, that's crossing the line. But if they said, well, back in the day, the way that they played, that would have happened, you got guys that would take it as if the media is saying that's what they would do. And I'm like, well, if you're gonna be critical, listen or what not that you didn't do that, because you did listen, But you got a lot of cats that

they don't listen. They will read the headline, you read the article, you didn't watch the clip, your boys came up to your family members, whomever, and they come up to you saying, I can't tell you how many times somebody came at me. I was like, did you see what I said? Did you hear it? Did you appreciate the context? Because you want context when we're talking about you. What about context when you're coming back at me? And so,

But the key is not to run. See where you lose is when you never go to the games where you never talked to the athletes, where you never talked to the coaches, the executives or anybody, and then you just want to go out there and run your mouth. I pride myself and not being hard to find. Anybody who's ever worked with me knows the only reason you don't see me in the locker room, it is because them.

They got me to do many shows, and I just don't have time to get to and and the only time I the only place I have time to get to is the next and I'll be dead if I'm going to the next game. But so much I'm not gonna let them depress me anymore than they already had. Stephen, I, I appreciate you trying to be self deprecating about your basketball scale, but let's acknowledge you once made seventeen threes in a row, and and and and and and you know when when the Sailor State brought me down, That's

how I got my scholarship. I drilled seventeen threes in a row and never made a damn jump shot since. But but that day I was all world show up in the moment, So it got me a full str just for for everybody here. And obviously you know people who are going to listen to our podcast this week and and see our our videos on YouTube, and you you beautifully explain explained new media. And I have the quote on phone, but I would like you to just kind of explain because I said this on your show

ten days ago. I said, I would love for Draymond to explain what new media is. Can you explain what it is? Um most people think, And I know that was kind of the perception of the media as well when I first started saying, like the new By the way, the leader of the new media is J. J. Reddick. Just so y'all know it's not me, this guy on TV every day holding it down. So I got a lot of appreciation for j J. But he picked against you. But go ahead, I know that's totally fun. See, I don't.

I didn't change. I didn't change my pick. I don't, I don't. I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with somebody picking against us. Stand on it, be knowledgeable and don't just pick against you because you're a hater. Don't pick against us because you're a hater. And so that's what I have a problem with. There's no hate there. He had analysis that ship was wrong, but he did analyze, and so he gotta get the

way you call me, dick, I gotta get you back. Um. But the new media, and like I said, everyone thought, I'm speaking like athletes doing podcasts or athletes doing media. Like athletes been doing podcasts JJ ready, c J McCullough. Athletes has been doing media like you've been seeing athletes go up on the stage and and try to debate with Stephen that he tried to get me up there. I'm no food. I didn't go to law school, not

going up there. But I'll go on to Stephen A show I'm not going to debate on first take, but the new media, the new media, I think when when you look at the game of basketball, what's been lost is I can turn on the TV and I can learn about the game of basketball. I I can I can get the exs and ose and the ins and outs, and the understanding that there's a game within the game. See, most fans don't understand that there are so many little games within the game, and if you don't understand them,

you'll miss them. And so when I said the new media, I'm saying analyzing these things, talking about the game, and understanding giving flowers when flowers is due, and not just trying to bash a guy every chance that I get like, no, it's okay to give flowers because you you think about the old damn age, like guys get mad that we hang together or that we work out together. It's the old mindset. And I feel like in media we see a lot of that same mindset and you're criticized with

that same mindset, and I don't understand it. And so for me, the new media is simple, It's very simple. It's and it's actually analyzing the game of basketball. It's actually giving those flowers when flowers is due. It's being critical. It's not just saying, oh, man, Steph Curry was great and when he wasn't great, I'm not gonna speak on it. Be very critical, but tell us the whole truth and break down while Steph Curry wasn't great, don't just tell me Steph Curry was bad he did this, or or

you don't say he did this. He was bad, he was terrible. His legacy is gonna be hurt, and it's that. But why was he terrible? Can you explain that to me? Can you help me the Irish fan that don't quite understand on stephen A's level, he explains, but who don't quite understand on some of the other guys level. Can you help me better understand what you're saying? And I think that's been lost and and and what's replaced it is titles and headlines and hot takes for click bait.

There's a flip side to that story. Everything that Draymond Green just said to y'all is total truth. It's just that there's more to it. For example, you could know exactly what you're talking about, and because you're not in that locker room, there's a slewer players that will never admit it. See what I believe Draymond Green misses is that he's one of the most authentic, real, honest brothers in professional sports. Let me give you the flip side to you and j J. J J is an honest dude,

a brilliant mind, brilliant I didn't. I'm giving him that for free so much so I can tell you right now there are people who absolutely, positively, positively love the ground that JJ walks on. And then there are people that despise him when they watch him on television because they think he's just so argant. And I'm going to like this. He's incredibly knowledgeable, he knows it, and he's not apologizing for it. I love it. It works for first take, it works for television. Why would I want

him to be any different. But here's the thing, Draymond. It's all the things that I mentioned plus outspoken. J J is a kind of person that on depending on his mood, on a particular day, he'll explain and on another day, I don't feel like talking to ignorant as now, he won't say it, but that's his attitudeage go here we go. He says it with his body language. And so what happens is if you know that, understand there's an abundance of people out there who will come and

have some semblness of the truth. But if they're not in that locker room with you, and then everyone day walk into ain't Draymond. And so where do you go from there? You're talking about the game. You've talked to the coach, you've talked to other players, you've talked to an executive, you've watched with your own two eyes. You lean on your level of knowledge from years of watching

the sport, and you did do this opinion. If everyone was like Draymond, Draymond would have his point would be unimpeachable. The problem is most dudes ain't. And so as a result of it, and now you've got the other stuff to lean on. Then as another point, you do have dudes who paved the way for the Reddicks, the Draymonds and others. They will never admit. They pick up the phone or they text and they called Stephen A and various others. Hold them accountable, say this, say that, don't

let him off the hook. You wouldn't have let us off the hook. Come on, now there's a standard here, blah blah blah blah blah. So then we sound old school. But what somebody like me, speaking solely for myself in this particular situation, I'm letting the modern day player know this is what they're saying about you. I'm not telling you who. I'm not even saying that's saying it. But I'm looking at y'all like, what the hell do you

think I get this room? Why the hell would I bring up something from Why would I bring up something from nineteen nine, that's thirty years ago? Why would I do that? I want y'all to know. Listen, there's a standard when they go and they talk to the league when they go and they talk to other owners when they go and they talk to other executives and coaches and scouts and player developmental developmental guys and all of

this other stuff. They're saying these things about y'all, and a lot of times, a lot of times, I'd say ninety percent of the time, it's people within the same locker room. People was in the same organization. And so when Snoop Dogg came on my radio show one day, because Snoop Dogg and I have talked on many occasions. Obviously he was like, you ain't selling out. You looking out,

That's what he was saying. He's like, you tipping them off about what I was doing a commercial with be Small Manshawn Lett and he was like, yo, man, I didn't know you. What is coud? I did now because I said to him, I'm telling you, and I don't have everybody's number, and I don't have time to call everybody, but if I say it, I got it from somewhere. And so what I appreciate is guys like him more smart enough to know, yeah, he's doing his homework, but

people calling them people and and stuff. He ain't just blowing smoke because you could read between the lines and outside of that. Again, when you talk about new media, all of that comes with it because see, for me, I love the fact that y'all got podcasts. I love the fact that y'all are making newis. I love the fact that y'all are resonated. But you know what I love most the fact that y'all ain't scared to talk to somebody like me. In other words, let's get it on.

You got sitting on your mind, j J, look me dead in my face. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. This makes no sense whatsoever. I like, I'll see your teleni clock, let's go. That's the way it's supposed to be, and then we're in the segment. We smile, give each other, hug, see them all. That's why it's supposed to. What point in your career did you start to figure this out. I think I started

to figure it out probably like five years ago. And I know there's kind of this conception of like Draymond's I've spoken, he'll say whatever, But sometimes it takes me a while to come around the things too, and like to let those things out. And that's why I held

them in for so long. But that's kind of the same reason why you're sitting a huge eruption now, because I've held these thoughts in for so long and for me personally, and and starting to try the media thing out, I'm like, there's a certain way that I want to do it, because there's a certain thing that I would want to watch on TV that you can't get much of on TV today, and so there's a certain way that I want to do it, and I've tried to stick to that and follow that game plan. But most important,

it's just being authentic to myself. And where I would challenge stephen A and what he just said is just getting a free episode of First Take. Maybe not free because you bought to take it, but the bonus episode where I would challenge stephen A is it's those guys. And we won't go deep into this today. We'll go

deep into this another time. But those guys who's calling from the eighties and guy who played in eighty five and nineties is those are the same guys that say the league is softer today and it's way as softer than it was and not as physical, And like, what's softer is the cause the players didn't get softer. We didn't start stop battling, we didn't stop being physical. What's softer is you you pull a little jersey with your pinky and it's a flavor filing. You're kicked out of

a game, Like that's what's softer. And so you have these guys from the eight and nineties centric Maxwell, who's like, oh, you get punched in the face, and what did I say? But y'all weren't really punching people in the face like that like they act like they was out there fighting like hockey and and they weren't. And so for me, yes, they are calling you giving you that intel, but it's like exactly what I said in the beginning. They're my

mindsets are totally different. And I respect those guys they did pay the way. I appreciate all of them, like I'm all for for those guys, but they're mindsets are totally different, and their mindset though, what we're saying is they said it, But what we're really leaning on is how the league has basically enforced a whole bunch of stuff that has made the game soft. Yeah, that's why I disagree with you on this, and Draymond, I talked about this earlier. I again, I told you this two

weeks ago. I spent two hours one day, three hours another day, four hours another day. I watched eighty one game four UH finals. I watched eighties seven game six finals. I watched ninety three game four finals when Jordan had fifty five. I watched this ship every every minute of the YouTube game. The game is not more physical. Fouls were more physical. You were allowed to get away with

harder fouls. The game is not more physical. People people bring up, but people bring up hand checking like people don't even know. You couldn't hand check in a scoring area. You could hand check from free throw line to free throw line. And it wasn't like you could have your hand on a guy for six seconds. It was a touch,

no disagreement. Let me say this, and I'm not switching something because this is your show, but I'm dying to touch on this with Draymond and you here and you hear, especially you because you brought this up AM on a Monday morning is hious. Let me tell you the part dre where I don't believe if I'm wrong and wrong, I don't believe you really experienced this part yet. C JJ got a taste of this to be misquoted, completely taken out of context where they I mean waiting like

new media. I'm laughing when you say this. Sometimes it's not that you're wrong, it's like he has no idea what is coming? Think about how this man talk now and they're gonna live watch when they got something about me on social media with j J. J. J Reddick said this and he puts Stephen are in this place about this. J. J. Reddick was on sports and the talking the siege to I was nowhere in the the city.

The conversation never happened, nothing, but they used my name for click, so everybody, look at what did j J check Stephen are about. Then they took quotes from me and they took a piece of quote that said on first take. They took a piece of quote that I said on sports and the six months earlier they compiled it as if I said it the same day. That's all the stuff j J comes in the first rate

in the first take wine and that's right. I said it wine, and a couple of weeks ago they did they that that's not for the question, and that's not what I said. I said, welcome to my world, and that's what y'all looking for. That's all I got to say. Let's give it up for Stephen A. Steven. Thank you very much, appreciate that was great that Steven, I mean entertainer, Um Dre, I want to ask you about it's still ongoing,

and so it's it's tough to talk about. And by the way, part of media in general is this legacy narrative discourse. And I think there's a difference between legacy and narrative, and we can talk about that or whatever. But I wanted to ask you about the Warriors legacy,

the Big Threes legacy, Steph's legacy. When you guys won Game five, you passed Tim Duncan, Montage Nobile, Tony Parker winning is all NBA trio in finals history since whatever nineteen I don't I'm not terrible at MAP, fifty years whatever, whatever it was. Of course you won games sex now have four chips together. While you're in it, do you think about your legacy? Do you think about steps legacy

and Clays clays legacy. I think there are times that you sit back and have conversations with people and it will come up like oh man, like wow, you start thinking about it. But when you're in it, it's it's it's nearly impossible to appreciate it, you know. And I think one thing that's changed for me over like doing it this time as opposed to before, is I've I've tried to make sure that I appreciate this one a little bit more, in large part due to I now

know it cannot happen again. You know, you go to the finals for five years straight, win three of them, probably could have won five, but nonetheless win three of them, and you just start to think that this is going to happen every year, like we'll be back here next year, like I've dubbed at the dubs invitation words invitational, but you really believe that, like we'll be back here next year,

no problem. And and to go from the NBA Finals to win fifteen games, there's a reality that sets in is that this is not guaranteed, and there's a lot of work that goes into getting here. And so I've tried to appreciate this one a lot more, but I a large part of me feels like the moment you started to appreciate, you start overly appreciating it, you'll never get back there. And so I try to keep my

appreciation for it to a minium. And I know most people say, no, man, you gotta enjoy the moment like now, I'll enjoy I enjoy it when I'm forty or fifty or sixty. But the risk that I'm not willing to take is overly enjoying it right now and never feeling this again, like it's too great of a feeling to do anything that could possibly hinder me from experiencing that again when you talk about some of your teammates, guys like Wiggins for example, and the impact the organization had

on them, is that something? Thank you, Draymond, this is the present. Sorry cut you all time. He just so, y'all know, I brought this bottle from j J. Dude beat my Spartans this year and we bet a bottle a d r C. And I'm always roller with my sparks. We wasn't that good, but I still it was close though we're talking about it. That's what do you do? I love coach. We want to go to meddle together. Oh that was a heavy, poor ass. That was a great part. Um could so with so with guys like

Wiggins for example. But Jordan's another example as a young guy. Is is that something you can see right away with the organization them shaping them and being championship level contributors rather than you know, you know what Andrew was doing before this or where Jordan was before this? No you don't,

I quite frankly. They sent Jordan pulled down to the G League BUBBA last year and he was kind of on his way out of the NBA, and so you know, you you see all the Tennessee and like in George's defense, he walked into a shitty situation. He walked into me trying to be the top leader when Andre left and I had no idea how to be a fact. He walked into Clay totally being away from the team and like rehabbing, and this steph totally being away from the team and rehabbing, and so the roster that we had,

that's the situation that he walked into. No one speaks about that, but he's on his way out. Um, you know, nobody, nobody believed Wiggins was gonna be there. I mean, we've seen in there, even like when we got wigging, I don't think we believe the Wiggins was gonna be there. But in the midst of only winning fifteen games during that season that Wiggins got traded, what you saw was that he can defend. He doesn't back down from any challenge.

He's athletic as hell, and if I can can stay on him to try to show him the way and show him what it takes to win, you did believe that he could be a part of it, but you knew there was work that needed to be done because of the situation that he had been and he had been in Minnesota losing for seven years, and so you knew that it was possible, but you didn't quite know two things. Number one, how long would it take? And number two, when the moment gets the biggest or that

guy be ready for that moment. And both of them, Jordan's and Wiggs, they were more than ready for the moment. The other fact that Draymond is so competitive he somehow figures out of ay to this his own teammate. Because the Timberwolf suck. They do they do. So I have a question go ahead for you, j j Um what like I feel like you've gone on first take Um, you've been Donna get up? What was it for you

going up there? Because I feel like you were the first one, like, like I said, the leader of new media. Like I've been, you know, doing my thing and all this stuff and speaking to new media. But I feel like you were the first person to go on these stages on these platforms and embody that and embrace that. And I don't think it was something you intentionally did.

I think it's authentic to you. But in saying that, it's intimidating to go up there and oppose against stephen A like like he's the greatest at that thing, Like not often do you have the opportunity to share moments with the greatest at a thing in life, And so he's the greatest at that thing. That's a big intimidated What was it for you to go on these platforms and speak the way you've spoken and with the content

like you won America? Like everybody wants to see J. J. Reddick on TV, Like what was it for you that gave you? Because apparently I'm Steph's biggest hater even though he's my favorite player. We'll talk about this later. No, there's two things to this. Number One, I can remember my first time on first take, and by the way, no offense is steven a. I had never watched the show before, so I didn't even know. I didn't even

know it was a debate show. I'm gonna be honest, but I remember my first two or three times on first take, and I was only working once a week at the time. Because you know, whatever, you get that pregame jitters, the pregame butterflies, and they're like thirty seconds, ten seconds, seven seconds. Steven as text and somebody you know whatever. I'm looking around and I remember thinking to myself, I'm talking about sports. I know this as well as anybody.

I know basketball as well as anybody. Why would I be nervous? And it just it's the second the camera came on, it was gone. Um my second point to something you said about being in the new media, it became very apparent early on, especially once we really Tommy and I really dove into the podcast. We started doing more um, longer intros, uh, you know, YouTube lives all this stuff where we were really talking about the game.

We're talking about things going on the NBA. And I realized that in some ways, and it's no fault of anyone's in some ways, it is an uphill battle. And

I talked at length about this last week. With the way media works now, and it's not anybody's fault, Like it's it's not that people are bad people, but aggregate media exists, and and whoever runs those accounts and whoever runs those companies like they're okay with being grifters and that's fine, like morally that's fine for them, but they are, they're stealing ship and then you and then you start talking about old media where everything comes about becomes about

legacy and narrative and all this stuff. And I just I viewed it through a lens of what do I actually believe? If somebody disagrees with me, that's fine. Like do I believe that players today are better than players in the ninet He's absolutely, I'll say that a hundred and fifty times. It's not what what j billis talked about this the other day. Why in every other sport can we accept the fact that players are faster, players

are stronger, players are more skilled. But for some reason, basketball players stopped being good in two thousand, the last twenty two years, we just stopped improving, Like why is that? And so let's push back on that. Let's push back on that. I'm like, I disagree with you. I don't. I don't go into anything I do being like I'm gonna do something. I'm I'm gonna go viral. What we do on the podcast, what I do on ESPN, it's

all organic, it's authentic. It's who I am, I know probably being that And if people disagree with that, and that's why that's that's I've talked about that about you. And if people disagree with that that's fine, but I'd like to point it out. It's one of the most amazing things about your podcast is you get up there after a game for an hour, hour, ten minutes and you just talk and it's just you, and it's it's we're talking about it's so hard to do. It's so

hard to do, Tom, that's a great point. Do you like to hear yourself talk? I would be one honest with you all. I've never listened to a single podcast, not one. Um. I will listen to a little clips. I'll listen to clips just to see how I sound and like, do I need to sound better? Is there's something that I need to clean up? So I'll listen to a couple of clips. But I absolutely hate hearing myself talk, like on a podcast, on an interview, because my voice, like how I hear my voice right now?

It don't sound like And I watch a video and like, who the fund is that talking? Like that's not how my Like I hear myself talking right now, My voice sounds totally different than what you all are listening to and to me, And so I absolutely hate hearing myself talk. But I love talking so weird the very weird. The only person that I know who actually likes the sound

of their voice is Steven A. Smith. I mean, we got, we got, We got three NBA guys over there that all have at different point in times, have had their podcast. They can attest they don't like to hear their own voice. It's just Steven A. Smith, so bro, Yeah, Josh's here. Y'all, you have been an amazing audience. We appreciate you. Thank you, Draymond, thank you, Tommy, thank you, Steven A. Smith. We appreciate you. Appreciate you, guys, thank you, thank you. What's love? Glvid livid vivid livid