The Draymond Green Show - Javale McGee

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www dot MD gambling help dot org. Maryland one eight seven seven eight Hope, New York or text Hope New York four six seven three six nine New York one eight hundred and five two two forty seven hundred Wyoming, or visit www dot one eight hundred gambler dot net, West Virginia. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. Um. In life, there's just certain things, and those things are like just what they are. Like. People say this bible, some people say it's facts. Whatever you

call it. The fact that the matter is one of those things in life is that Flint and Saginaw, Flint, Michigan and Saginaw, Michigan. It's connected, it's intertwined. It's like one and the same. Both produces great basketball players, both produces stars, both produces great people. Blue collar cities and when you come from those places, you carry a certain thing with you. I'm honored to have a guy from Flint,

Michigan as the guest today. But not only is this guy from Flint, Michigan and we have that connection, we actually have one of the best connections that you can have. And when you play basketball, it don't get no better than that connection. It's my brother Javelop McGee, three time NBA champ, two time NBA Champ, here with us to Golden Stay Warriors, My brother. Welcome to the show. How you doing having me? Bro? Absolutely? Man, I am excited.

I am excited as hell for this episode, not only um, you know, because it goes so much deeper than basketball, Like this is for those of y'all that don't know, this is a guy that I still have an incredible relationship with. That's my brother, beyond any basketball stuff. To the point that last year I was doing this podcast, or actually I tweeted UM and I tweeted something about this guy right here, and I was laughing and I was joking, and he hit me up, like, Yo, what's

that about? Like like why would you tweet that? Like that's bullshit? And I'm like, Yo, I didn't take the tweet that way. But if that's what you think, Like, if that's the way you took the tweet, that I apologize to you and I was wrong and I'll make that right, Like that's the relationship here. So I'm excited as hell to have this cause no fake in and the love just hit you right away. A number absolutely,

But I mean let's get into it. Man, sixteenth overall pick in the NBA draft, eighteenth pick, eighteenth pick in the NBA draft in the two thousand and eight drift, it's crazy to think you've been in the league. What's this your sixteenth year? It's my fifteen fifteenth year. That's that's crazy to think, you know, for a guy who

they never really gave a chance to make it. What's just what's just talk to me about that fifteen year journey and what's it been like for you making it the way you have, becoming a three time NBA champion, all of that good stuff. Um, I mean, it's been a it's been a long journey for sure, and it's been a lot of ups, a lot of downs, and just consistency on believing in myself. That's really the only thing that I've been consistent on through everything is believing

in myself, believing in my logs. I still didn't do it, believing in my hearts. I gotta continue to do it. So just just self confidence. If anything that in the structure of being from a town that they don't think you're gonna go to college, absolutely let alone be a part of the one percent. And if people don't understand one percent is like the network for five hundred thousand dollars,

that's one percent. Network for five million dollars is point zero one percent, So just five hundred thousand dollars net worth is crazy from where I'm from. So just being able to make it as far as just an amazing

I think it's absolutely incredible one. And in your career, it got off to a rocky start, like it wasn't all piece of cream, like you you grew into a guy that and we'll get into this as we go on, but you grew into a guy that became the missing piece of championship teams, and like I said, we'll get into that, but it didn't start off that. Like, just just walk me through starting off with Washington Wizards and

how that was starting off eighteenth pick. So if you know anything about basketball, if you're not lottery, which is I think top thirteen, they don't really care about you. You're just that they're gonna You're gonna go through the process. So I came in, you know, one through thirteen, they all automatically, Okay, we're given the ball to you. We're

gonna see what you can do. Let's go eighteen. I came to a team with with Brendan Haywood, Corian Butler, Antoine Jamison, Gilbert Arenas Um and I believe it was after the year they had just went far in the playoffs Um, so it was more of a winning mindset

when I got there. So it was like Jarell, you're probably not gonna play um, And then I think we were going to We're going to play in Germany and one other city overseas for like you know how begin in the season and some teams two preseason games in different different countries. And Brendan Haywood broke his hand, So I don't at the time, we had Eddie Jordan as as as the coach and Brendan Haywood broke his hand,

I don't think. And we had Eton Thomas also, so he was ahead of me also, but I don't think Eddie Jordan Eaton Thomas. We're seeing eye to eye at the time. So that from my career propelled me straight to the starting line up for the first ten games of the season. Um so we go, oh and ten, the first two ten games of the season, they fired Eddie Jordan. Boom, he's gone so so at that point, and Gildon Rinas has hurt this year also, um so we don't really have that team that same team. Gilbard

Rens has hurt this year. Um so, they fired Eddie Jordan, they bring in the player development guy. I believe that's what his role was, Eddie tap Scott exactly. He still he's still over there too. I've seen him one and I think last year he's still over there. I see some role, uh Andy tap Scott. He didnt rocker rookies. So from just that point, I had a whole three sixty turnaround. I'm like, nah, you're not You're not getting this starting role. What do you think this is? And

it was it was over from there. I was I was sent to the bench and to that rookie role, that humbling rookie role. So my my rookie year was extremely humbling at that point. UM. I believe the next year they hired any Tescot was then interim coach until the end of that year. The next year, I believe they hired Flip Saunders. UM, and I and me and

Fhlip Saunders never really rest in pieces. Me and Phlip Saunders never really uh saw eye to eye, um, but it was it was in part of him being a tenure coach that knows a lot and me being a young young player that that understands how to communicate with coaches but doesn't realize once I get to the NBA, these aren't your bosses. These are your your co workers, and you guys' relationship should be your co worker vibe.

It's not like college where you look at your head coaches like, oh whatever he say goals, like you know

what I'm saying. So it's different, and that's an also maturity thing, like I wish I wish that Rickie Transition program they teach you about that, like your coaches is your co worker, he's not your your boss, and you're going into it, Yeah, you're going through it with that mindset and sometimes and I feel like I went into that mindset and some things I couldn't take, Like I'm from point, like somebody talk to you crazy, or talk to you a certain way, you don't respond the way

you should sometimes and I was extremely short used back then. UM, so we we didn't really get along. I believe I sat maybe like forty two games d MPs my sophomore year, uh, from just not getting along with the coach if anything. I don't know if it was a play or what it was, but just not being on the same page. I believe the next year he got fired or yeah, I believe he got fired. And then it was I can't remember his name, but he was the coach, and

then we got another coach. I forgot his name. I always forget, but as four coaches in my first two three seasons on my first team, so which is crazy. I'm there with some other young guys, Nick Young, Andrew Blatch, Dominique McGuire, and we all just trying to figure it out. But we're all extremely immature. Gildornis wasn't healthy, so we didn't get to see the example of the Gil everyone knows and Jim at three am coming back late three fuotiity.

We had the I'm injured, so I got a bag I'm fun gal and it rubbed off a little bit on all of us for sure. Um. So we picked up a little bit of bad habits early on in my career. Um, I get traded my third year, I believe, I go to Denver, UM and I think traded for nay. Um. I went to Denver and it's a whole different coaching staff. I got coach Carl Um. Now, me and coach Carl

we didn't. We didn't get along in a certain sense. Um. But my aspect of me not getting along Coach Carl was more, you got coach to Koufo starting ahead of me, right now, that was no offense to Coaster, that's my guy. But even Coaster said to me, like you should be starting like so when the guy headed he was telling you that it's just like what's what's really going on? Why? Why?

Why are we doing this? But that was before I realized the politics that goes in whole basketball, the relationships you have to have GMS on these teams about like, it's just so much I learned actually after going to the warders. So so I have a question for you so check this, do you think, because early on in my career, I felt like it's what I noticed just

from the outside looking. And obviously I'm not in Denver, but I think, or I thought, and I still think, due to the contract extension that you signed with the Denver Nuggets, that George Carr was punishing you for that contract that the Denver Nuggets signed you too, because that's what it looks like to me. It felt like he didn't he didn't like the fact that that I got that extension, even though that that playoff series before I was a major part of that playoff series playing against

Kobe and the Lakers meaning Kenneth Kari We. I don't know if it's that year, the year after we had fifty seven wins, the year after after that, I believe, so we had a good team and we're playing with UM. I don't want to say I was the best pro in the world, but I was also a young guy who had a hell of a motor and who wanted to play basketball, Like I love playing basketball. If I'm doing anything, he's playing basketball. I wanted to play UM.

So I definitely felt I don't want to say envy or anything but more of a this guy doesn't deserve this, so I'm a punishing for type of energy and that's how I felt about that situation. Um. And then he left, I don't left or got fired. And then uh, Brian Shaw came in. So that's six coaches in my first six years, I believe. Uh. So Brian Shaw came in. Brian Shaw came in, and me and Brian got got along pretty well. But I had the year before Shaw came in, I got injured and I had a stretch yep.

Yet I got a rod in my shin right now and I'm having for life. Um. But yeah, I had a stretch stracture in my shin. So I got to I only got to play I believe ten maybe five games starting under Brian Shaw until I had to go out and uh and just rest my shin. Um. So I never actually got to play for Brian Shaw. Um. And then I believe they bought no, no, they traded me to to Philly after that, So that's seven coaches and then I and then I uh, and then I got waved or they bought me out. They brought me

out after that. So in my mind, I'm at a moment where ship like I got bought out. I understood the buyout process, but of course I had the one hundred percent belief in myself. But I'm gonna get healthy and I'm gonna be straight. But at a certain point in my recovery from my shin, uh, you start getting out. You started doubting yourself and doubting like is this gonna last? Like is it over for me? Like this is the injury that some people just don't come back from, and

I'm am I one of those people. So after that summer I had got bought out, I went to I started two years or team option UM to Dallas. Um. If I'm right, that's eight coaches or seven coaches, eight coaches? Uh and Rick Carlisle. Um. I'm still feeling the pain in my shin, but the doctor tells me, well, the best news is you can't break it again, so you can just fight through the pains. On my mind, I'm like, well, forget it. I could fight through the pain as long

as it don't break. That's all I'm worried about. But if you really think about that, that's a crazy thing. Everything every time you supposed to feel pain, that's nuts. That's crazy. You see what I'm saying. And it's a crazy aspect of myself being able to put myself in that mental mindset of fuck it, I'm grinding. This is what I'm here to do. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna fight through this pain rather than just being like, you know what, just no, it still hurts sit out.

But I took that. I took that advice and I took it to heart, and I said, you're right. It made sense to me. It's not gonna break um, so I might as well play through it. So I played through it that year. I didn't play a lot that year. I was I was it was. It was hard for me to condition that year, just because I was still in pain. So I gained a couple of pounds. I was about two seventy, two seventy. I thought I was buffed,

but I didn't realize I was fat. What what is your so to put into perspective, what is your comfortable play my comfortable playing way two fifty five? Okay, that fifteen pounds you feel every single one every I'm not jumping as high I feel every time I jump, like, but in my mind, I'm like, and this is coming off of the Dwight Howard era of him dominating every center, you having all your Dwight snakes, Let me do some push ups and some extra bench presses before this game

because the White is a beast um. So I'm like, okay, maybe I need to be bigger. Maybe this is fine than trying to play through that and that year. So that year went through, I didn't play a lot. It's nothing, nothing really talk about, and they decided to pick up a team option next year. So now I'm I'm at a point in my career where I'm like, Okay, I don't know. I don't I have no idea what's gonna happen. Now. There's not a guaranteed year coming somewhere else. It's not

no one's calling the phone anything. And I'm injured, low Ki not injured, but I'm in pain. You say that, I'm still in pain. So I'm trying to figure things out. But I never doubted myself to where I knew in my mind, if I get it healthy, it's over for everybody. But I just got to figure out how to get healthy to to to when when when you're when the doctor tell you you won't break, it's fine, you just got to deal with the pain. It's that like a doctor you're going to see or is that a team doctor.

It's it's a team doctor. It's also the doctor that did my surgery. Okay, um, I chose not to go to the but this is a funny thing too. Uh. I don't like the fact that doctors have no empathy at all. I hate non empathetic doctors. Like I understand you. You see people that are gonna die every day, but have some empathy. Because when I was going to get the ride in my show, I talked to the doctor before the doctor Denver. He was like, Oh, yeah, it's

gonna be easy. We're gonna open up your knee. We're gonna knock the ride in there for snails and the ankle neils in your knee, and you'll be good three to six months. And I was just looking at him in the face, like, bro, you know what you just told me, Bronna open up my knee, throw a ride in the middle of my bone and put a and put screws on my ankle in my knee. So I was like, na, and he was saying, it's a it's a possibility. You could just rest and heal it for

six months. So I was like, well, I'm gonna try to heal it for six months. Then I don't want to do the surgery. So I do the healing for six months and they're like, no, it's still there. You gotta get the surgery. So just the way the doctor was talking to me, yeah, just be a go put a rode in, I was like, I'm not going to you, I'm going to somebody else. El Um, I give a second opinion. I find a guy in Florida, who who in Miami who decides he can put the ride in

but he doesn't have to put the screws in. And I was like, that sounds way better. You just put the ride in the middle and you don't have to screw in my ankle screw in the top of the my knee. That sounds crazy, Like that didn't make sense to me. So I went with the guy in Miami and you put a ride in my ship and uh yeah, that's how that went. So this is after I got away from or they didn't pick up my option. The second year in Dallas, UM, I get a call from

you guys go to stay orders um. But the caveat about this is it's not guaranteed. We we gotta we got a spot for you. Not guaranteed, won't be guaranteed until January. So you want it or not. In my mind, I'm like, I want to go to the damn or champion. I believe it's the year y'all lost three one we lost or y'all y'all lost it. But I'm like, I want to go to a championship team. Yeah for sure, I definitely, I'm definitely going, So I go, and uh,

that whole experience it changed. It changed on mindset on how basketball is supposed to be played in a team aspect. It changed on mindset on how it's a players league and players communicate with their coaches with their GM and full transparency and also just that you know that he's the coach, like that college mindset, rather than know this is my peer, this is my my my co worker. Um. It changed my mindset on that aspect um. And it

really just showed the championship basketball is about. Hey, it changed your your career by far, by far, I changed my career. It changed the perspective of I had always had that perspective, that chip on my shoulder. This is the guy from Checking the Fool. It's the guy who made funny plays and this and that. He's not that smart and are definitely going to go and stay changed

the whole three sixty It changed one eight. Really, let's talk about that, so Shocked in the Food because this is actually something I really want to talk about when we when we just got on this call. Obviously no one will see this, but Jackson, our producer, asked, Javelle, are you on the laptop? Javelle said, and are you on a computer? Javelle say, I'm on the laptop. And I said to Jackson he was like, okay, cool, and

Javelle said it yeah, I'm a big tech guy. And I said to Jackson, one of the smartest guys when it comes to any computer or anything with a computer, but really in life, one of the smartest guys I know when it comes to these computers. And I said all of that to say, you had this reputation of like you said, almost like a clown, like Shocked in the Fool. It makes these dumb plays. This that another now quite frankly, as a part of the media. Now,

although I don't operate like most media operate. Um. Everything's narrative driven, right, Like you get these narratives, they take on the life of their own, and quite frankly, in the day and age we live in where social media dominates everything and everything's a constant tuting for our news cycle, those narratives become reality. And this was the This was

the rise of social media. Also, this is when Twitter, when people started, when the NBA started on Twitter, when NBA started on Instagram, it started putting it content out and figuring out how content works. Absolutely so. So during that time, your own shocked in the food every every week, every chance, your own shocked in the food. And for a while I felt like before you got here, you

would say something back and forth with Shot. Then once you got here, Hey, you're playing great basketball, I mean incredible basketball. And the minutes that you're playing, whatever minutes that is, whether it was twenty one minutes one night, whether it was nine minutes the next night, it was twenty four minutes, whatever minutes you play, you played great basketball. Then something happened between you and Shock, and like what happened to where all of a sudden, now you're not

on shocked in the food. I mean it felt like three times a week, right. Um, it was like a last straw I've seen. I've seen an episode. I'm watched an episode. No people tag you everything. I'm like, all right, what I do down? So I watched the episode. I think I went coast to coast and I missed the layup. I was just like, they just put me in a second food for missing a layup. Not araball on the layup, not nothing crazy. Just went coast to coast, I might have did a move and I just stlay up. I'm

just like, all right, bro, this is it. Bro, I'm not going for this ship anymore. Bro. Like, come on, bro, you already had your first of all, your your perennial Hall of Famer. You know what I'm saying, Like your reach is global, like kids kids in villages in China

know who Shack is. So the fact that you keep putting this narrative out there about me, first of all, my first question is why do I know somebody you know that you feel a certain type of way about something or is there a reason that this is happening? Like and then at the second, the second part is why do this to another black man? That's what really like, like, because I don't see you, uh, the white athletes in the league. I don't see you hitting them every every

every time. So um, I believe, I believe I had. I had a moment where they when I was on Denver and they and they and they interviewed me about it, and I was just like, I don't like shacking Nacoon. That's just not my thing. I don't like that. Uh. And they thought it was funny, yuh huh, skip over it. But then they look at it now and they're like, oh shit, Okay, he was on to something. He understands what's really going on. So at that point, I just I just didn't understand why I need to be the

butt of his jokes. What did I do to him to where I need to be? And I went on Twitter. I went on Twitter because I knew it would get the same reaction as he's getting on mine, and I said what I need to say. I told him to get off my I believe I put peanut emojis on, which you call so wouldn't get fine thinking thinking, of course, I'm like, I don't live my money now, So I said, get off my peanut emotives and then we had a

night back and forth and yeah, that's that's what that was. No, and I think uh and by the way, for those of you who's going to watch this show, um, I used the word koon last year and it was a big It was a big deal. I respected that and

I spoke on it. What you have to understand is when when when Javel caught when he said, I don't why shocked in a corner or something whatever, the statement was, Hey, this is two thousand and thirteen, two thou and fourteen, So what you have to understand is the time period that that was said, it wouldn't be like if you said it today, Like the climate on those things are totally different, and so she wasn't looked at as like

a racially sensitive thing. So I want everybody, all our listeners subscribers to understand that because under no circumstance as the Draymond Green Show trying to get anyone find or in trouble or having to apologize. So we're going to address that right now. But in saying that, you came out and you said and now I'm fast forward them back to when you were to go to State Warriors. You said, yo, this is affecting my career, like this is this is people are thinking about me just by

these plays. I go somewhere. It's really affecting my career. And I felt like when you said that, to Shock's credit, he said, I am not going to put JaVale McGee on shocking the fool anymore. And to his credit, to my knowledge, he hasn't. Um, do you feel like things changed for you once that started happening in a positive light? By far? By far? Um? I mean also, winning two championships back to back didn't hurt at all, Um, but after that, it was it was it was taking up. Okay,

Javelle's a pro, he's serious about the game. Uh, he's locked in. He was a major part of a championship run two of com back to back. Um. And then after that, I got the starting spot with the Lakers after I left you guys, um and and and and in my mind, I'm like, starting center, How do you? How do you go from being waived three years ago from a team to being a starting center on the Lakers. Um? And I actually had my best year that year um

with Lebron Um. I think I had like average twelve and eight which is crazy numbers, but for me, that was the highest numbers I had, and I was thirty. It's also it's also you were averaging a nineteen minutes a game, twenty minutes a game. So the per thirty six, which a lot of people judge off of per thirty six, those averages are probably like twenty and fourteen or something. Yeah, there was P thirty six. They were all start numbers,

I'm sure. Um So, so after that year, UM, I resigned the Lakers, UM and I'm also the starting center and Ad comes to the team, UM, and we went to NBA Championship. Get off the bench at the NBA with FanDuel, America's number one sports book right now, FanDuel's given new customers ten times. Your first bat in bonus bets,

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still very prominent in the league. Uh arguably at that time, not really arguably the best lob thread in the league at that time. You solidify yourself as arguably the best lob threat in the league. To this day, I always tell people best lofthret I ever played with. Um, you leave your body, you just throw it up anywhere and see. One thing that I don't think people understand is when I say best live threat, it's actually you and Andre Dollar.

But when I say best live threat, it was that I could throw it up there and and if you can't dunk it. See, most guys you throw a live to it, and if they can't dunk it, they miss it, the ball go out of bounds something. If you can't dunk it, you just grabbed the ball and come back down. And so so you you solidify yourself as arguably the best live threat in the league. After year one with the Warriors, you had offers to go elsewhere for a little more money. Yeah what what what made you say, No,

I'm not I'm not taking that. I'm gonna come back to the Warriors for a second year and and take a minimum again. Um, take taste in that championship, man, seeing seeing what it took game one to Game eighty two to every game in the playoffs, of what it took the brotherhood that I felt, the energy, the way the Warriors organization treats their players. I had been to three four teams, and the Warriors by far, still to this day, treat their players the best out of anybody.

Just one aspect of the way that the Warriors does dinners on the road. Yea, I still haven't seen it, and I've been on four teams after that. I believe we appreciate you, Joe Peter, for sure. Just just the aspect of that, being able to to congregate with your teammates, not only your teammates, but your teammates friends and family, and not worrying about the build, just that order whatever you want. We're all just gonna congregate and fellowship and

really enjoy and that that was one aspect. I'm like, I gotta do this again, like a million more ain't gonna do it for me. I need to do this again. And it worked out. You finished with the Warriors win two championships. You didn't leave go to the Lakers second year, you win a second championship. But while in La, more

things happened for you number one. Uh, I feel like you and that Lakers team were the first guys to really learn how to like monetize social media from an NBA perspective, like pre game walking in lifts, um, you name it. It's like all of a sudden, you guys were producing content for sure? For sure, what was driving that? Who was driving that? How did you guys kind of fall into that? Like what was the driving forcing that? Um?

I've always had had an eye for I wanted to go to film school when I when I came out of car I mean when I came out of high school. I wanted to go to USC, but I couldn't go to USC because they wanted to red shirt me. I wanted to go there for film school, but I understood I'm here for basketball. So I was like I gotta go somewhere where I can play right away, so I'm listening to better. UM. So when I went to the Lakers, that's that's Hollywood. You know what I'm saying, Like it's Hollywood.

The opportunities you get playing just playing for the Lakers. I don't care if you're on the bench. Just the opportunity of playing for Lakes at a good season or a bad season are amazing. UM. And then I started this thing where I had who have had Gunner Peterson as my weight listing coach um the first year. The thing about Gunner is Gunner is a celebrity trainer, so content is gunners steam. Gunner loves content like he loves it.

So I would I would film every lift that I would do, and I was lifting every day, so I had content every day of three hundred and sixty five days of of lifted on my on my page, so you would see it workout every day, every day, every day. And in the in the process of filming those things, I actually had to do those workouts. So I'm I'm I'm performing at an elite level also, and I'm getting that working, but I'm also getting the content aspect of it.

And at the same time, other gems are seeing these workouts too. They're going on my Instagram seeing this. Other other teams are seeing this, coaches are seeing this and really seeing how locked in I really am and have been. I just never really put it out to the public. So when I got to LA, I made sure I got a I got uh what is it called content team? Um? I had a content team, and I made sure that

I was putting out gems as much as possible. I like, I was watching it at the time, and I'm like, man, like you braun, uh, cools like you, you name it, guys who are literally producing content, and like you see a lot of that now in the NBA. But I don't think people realize how like how much of a difference three or four years can make, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, you see a lot of it now three or four years later, but four years ago

it wasn't like that. Nah. And also kind of throwled up on you had to just about to say you had to post stuff and be like did we win this game? Like you had to really think about that, uh. And it was even worse back like my rookie year. I used to post stuff on YouTube, but there was before YouTube was actually YouTube. I don't even think you

could monetize YouTube back then. I just liked content and coaches, not coaches, but gems and the upper upper staff would tell me, like, you need to focus on basketball the other things. You don't need to be worrying about that content stuff and Twitter and all that stuff before my time by far. In the second year, I got the opportunity of going to the bubble um when we won the championship and I was the blogger. I blogged every

moment in the bubble and people loved it. They loved every moment of me and a teach tyble where the two guys who were blogging, but they got knocked out the playoffs. I've blogged all the way to the championship, something like something like that. Too crazy, uh, I've blogged away to the championship to us went into the in in locker room celebration. I'm giving you content you will never see you. You won't see that until the thirty for thirty comes out or you see what I'm saying,

so you can go back and watch that now. And that's just think about that thirty years now. You'll be able to go back and watch that and understand what mindsets Braun was in eighty was in I was in. You can see the different relationships. It's a crazy concept and I figured that out early. The funny part is it was right before I was packing. I had packed all my stuff up. I called my content guy. I'm like, should I bring my Should I bring my hul Kennedy?

He was like, might as well just film the process. I was like, all right, cool, I'm gonna do that. And I filmed from me getting out the car, kissing my girl and my daughter goodbye, getting on the plane and going into the bubble if. I filmed from that day into the championship, and it was epic. It was epic. That's incredible. Man. By the way, you should definitely do like like use that put you something together. Man, it ain't got to be now because as you know, you

keep that content forever. But that's gold like because like right now, you know, people forget. It's been three or four years, people forget. But in ten years, people are gonna be like, oh, you remember when this happened, and that happened and it led to this, and you got some gold on your hands, but for sure, and speaking of La, you go to La. Also, some other things start to take place for you. You have been into music, You've been into music for years, making be making songs. Um,

you go to LA. You went to Grammy. I'm Grammy nominated. Okay, you get nominated for a Grammy. Yeah, I talk about that active basketball player, and I say active active in the highest way, like winning championships and yeah, being nominated for Grammy's Like, talk about that experience. Tell us the song, like how it came about, like and also and then how you originally got into making beats and doing different

things with the music. Yeah, So so originally I got into music like like like German, I said, I'm a take guy, like you said, I'm a big tech guy. So once I figured out I've seen online or something that you can make music through your computer, I was like, wait, what, you don't need a whole mixed board and all this crazy machine that you see, you know the old videos on you YouTube and Kanye making beats and he runs

over here and makes another beat. I'm just like, I can't afford to get all that stuff, Like I don't. But as soon as I found out I think it was a college action I bought. I bought maybe a six hundred dollars a laptop, I download an fl studio and I made some beats and then me and my room made made Me like an album and comes out.

I hope that no one ever finds that we had a my space whatever whatever our album cover on it and six songs on it was crazy, But I was just making beats and it was just something I was interested in. It was just another passion of mine. So then when I got to the NBA, I had a little bread on me. And when he got me an iMac. The first thing I downloaded an iMac is Logic Pro, which is a beat making a program. So I download that.

So I'm working on that. I had been working on it for at least ten years making beats, but nothing crazy. I just I didn't have to feel for it yet, just got I didn't really know the ins and out of how it really works. I uhould think you just use the stock beats. I didn't realize you have to meet other producers and other producers that get you drums, different sounds to really enhance and you're producing. Once I

got to go to the state. Actually I was. I believe I was playing eight minutes a game, so I had a little bit more time than guys like you were playing twenty five thirty minutes a game and like that. So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna get this basketball done, but I got a lot of free time. Let me think of different aspects of how I can generate my passion and what I'm really into. So then I started working with guys around the Oakland area just making music.

I'm in the studio with i Am Sue, I met A Marquis Basie, a lot of a lot of people in the Bay that I'm locked in with and and the energy it was just amazing. I'm making songs, I'm producing songs, and it was just that that vibe. I

carried that over, that same energy over into La. So when I got to La, I was in studios, I was meeting A and RS, I was meeting everybody, trying to meet as many people as possible while I was in that later take advantage of that aspect of playing for the Los Angeles Lakers, and in the process, I met this uh amazing songwriter named poo Bear, and he's

justin Bieber's main songwriter I met. I had met poo Bear probably four summers before, and I had met him in the summer because I was stay in LA in the summer, and I paid him thirteen thousand dollars to write two songs for me. Never used neither one of those songs. Never used neither one of them. But I kept the relationship and we were still cool. Blah blah blah blah. So when I got to La, he's like, pull up to the studio, like, all right, here, I come.

I come to the studio. We're getting the studio. I'm playing him from samples, playing from some of my beats. He hears one of my beats and he tells me take the drums off, let me just hear that melody. And I'm playing that melody and he's like, all right, load this up. So we loaded into look Toto pro tools and he just starts writing a song like we collad He like, should I say this? Should I say that? Like, yeah,

say that, say that, And we damned it right. We would write the verse, the chorse and the second verse, and that's it. That's all I heard of. It wasn't no drums on it. Wasn't anything on it. And at the time, it wasn't like they come to studio so you can make a song for Justin Bieber. Nah, it would just come to the studio. So we came to So I came and I did that. We made that, We made one songs, don't the song made and it was over it all right, cool, appreciate it, bro cool, vibe,

cool session. And that's usually how producing work. People don't understand. People think producing it just so they give a beat two artists, he uses it and now you're platinum. Nah. Being a producer is hard work. You have to be in the studio when these artists want to be in the studio, and you have to have the type of beats that that artist wants to listen or rap or sing to when they feel like it. So it's three in the morning, like I don't feel like doing trap anymore.

I want to do an R and B record, Got any and put up this laptop. All right, here goes some beats. And it's not all I got one beat. Here you go, It's got twenty of them I can listen to, Like, like you want me to give you twenty so you can pick one like it's hard work. It is not easy. People think it's just you were stars whatever. They just let you. Nah, it's not like that. So uh So after that, I get the what partner on right now? You are on? H y'all had y'all

wrote the and y'all wrote the song. Okay, we wrote the song. It was just the melody. We wrote the song and it was great. So about two, I don't know, maybe two three four months later, my house had got had got broken into, um and then Pooh Bear's house had got broken into too, So he called me. He called me. He's like, I heard your house get broken into.

Can give you some details, like I'm trying to figure out who robbed my house also, So we're just talking about that and then at the end of the convo he's like, man, I'm sorry to hear that. Blah blahh. He's like, oh, yeah, you made that album. I'm just like what, Like, what are you talking about with album? We just talk about any albums or anything. He's like, you made the Justin Bieber album. Like, well, that's a great way to end this conversation, Like that's fire, Like

amazed I made a Justin Bieber album. Like and and the song on the album is It's on his Changes album, which got nominated for a Grammy. And the way that Grammy nomination's work is if the album is nominated for a Grammy, the producers on that album or nominated for a Grammy, the writers on the album the grammar for Grammy, and the stingers on that album nominated for a Grammy. So that's in turn, how I was nominated for a Grammy for being a producer on a Justin Bieber album.

That's insane. Yeah, Like that's nuts to be on an Adjustin Bier album. That's crazy. Um So now, like like what's going on with the music now? Um like what can we expect? Like are you diving more into the music now? Are you taking a break? Like where are you with the now? Um? I'm locked in. I'm locked in. Um I have I probably got like twenty finished songs right now. Uh yeah, and I got some I got

like five with major artists. But unfortunately, some of the major artists are like in the legal trouble right now. So that's the thing about rap artists, like you're like you never know, like it might be legal trouble, it might be this or that. Um, But yeah, I got I got a lot of tracks that's just sitting on the shelf right now that I need to put out. I definitely to lock in and just put them out and just see what the world thinks of them. Um,

But I'm still locked in the music I got. I got my little studio set up over here, like everywhere I go, I put a studio on my house. And before we get out of here, obviously we touched on the music, but I just want to really get back to basketball before we go for our time is almost up. But you went to Dallas Mavericks this year. Um, signed a very nice lucrative contract in the offseason, and uh, the year hasn't quite gone how you would have expect

it once you signed a contract. Just what's your what's your mindset been like? You know, sometimes you play, sometimes you don't, kind of like back dealing with some of the stuff that you were dealing with early on in your career. What's your mindset been like just going through this season? Um, going through it again? Is at this age and at this at my tenure, on what I've done in the league, the person I am, the man I've grown into. How I've matured. Um, it's a lot easy.

It's I wanna say easier, it's a lot. Uh, it's a lot easier to to to to dive into it and to and to weave my way through and figure out what I need to do to stay professional, to make sure I'm still here for my team, to make sure that when I do get the opportunity to go in there and do what I do, that I'm due to the highest ability. I stay in shape. I'm not a Unfortunately, some people when when when they get demoted, I guess you can say, because I definitely came in

here to be a starting center. Um, when when when they get demoted, they tend to become a cancer to a team. Um, And that's never been my my INMO, that's never been my my character. My character is I'm going to do whatever it takes to win. And personally, of course, I feel like if we want to win, we need me. But at the same time, I respect the Coultures. I respect what they have going on and how they want to run the team, knowing I came into their system, you know what I'm saying. So I

respect everybody's decisions. I don't agree with everybody's decisions and you don't have to. You live a life to disagree, live in free country. You can feel how you want to feel. But um, yeah, I'm just here being a pro. Um. When they need me, they'll use me, and I will be efficient in what I do. Um. And that's how I feel about the situation. That's really all I can say about the situation. But of course I want to

play in the end of it. You don't. You don't become who you are and what you've gone through not wanting to play. I definitely respect that. And honestly, as you know, in this league, your opportunity gonna come again, whether it's there or sometime in the future, whether it's somewhere else, your opportunity gonna come again. But like I said, before we get out of here, man, what what what? What can we expect from development? Gee? How much long

are you playing basketball? And then as soon as you wrap that up, should we expect you full force, full flash into the music business? Like do you want to have your own record label? What what can we expect moving forward? Um? So I want to play. I want to play to the twentieth I want to play to my twentieth year. Jesus Christ, my brother. I love a game. I love a game. It's so fun and it's so fun. It's still as fun as it was when I was

a kid. Just basketball. It's such an amazing game. It's just the camaraderie, just just going in there and and banding together with your brothers to fight another band of brothers. It's just something I was born to do and I love it. Right now, I'm signing to my seventeenth year, so hopefully I can extend somewhere for another three years and just keep the train rolling. Um. And on the music aspect, man, I got so many things I want to do with music when I actually have time. Like

I said, it's a real job. It's not something you can dabble in put a toe in it. And I have the utmost respect for artists, so much respect. Um. I want to do. I want I want to test my hand at the A and r at the at the at the more. Yeah. Because I have a have a beautiful ear for music. I know how to pick

a artists. There's a lot of artists are popular now that I was listening to when before they were popular and before they had those platinum hits, and I was just like dag and Ar, somewhere I could have signed that artist. I could. That's so that's that's my ultimate goal when it comes to the music game. Of course, to keep producing music, but definitely A and R is something that I'm extremely passionate about. That's great, my brother.

I appreciate you coming on the show just to hear your journey what I just learned about the music industry. You know, as you know, I have friends in the music industry, and for me, it's just always a business that I'm continuing to learn. And I used to health a business as a fan of music, like to learn and understand the business side of it. More and more. I feel like it's done something for my ear. I

feel like it's done something from my appreciation. I feel like it's done something for my respect for producers, for artists. I always say that about basketball, like basketball fans, like if you actually understood the business, Like if you took the time to actually learn the business, your outlook on

it would be totally different. You know, like you will see certain things going on, you can better understand them, like you'll better understand Guy's rotations, all of a sudden, this guy isn't playing because he's on the contract year and the team on the Lord's number, they can get away with it, like just all the different things and and I just had the opportunity to learn some of that, especially on the music side in this interview. I can't thank you enough. Brother. I wish you the best. I

wish you the best this year as well. I know, like like you said, they want to win, you got to play, and so I know as they come down to it, you'll play. And I appreciate you. Man. Draymond Green show Brother Bro with Liverd Livid livits And and Liverd Livid Lid Livis and Liverd Livid livits And and Liverd Livid livert