Steph's Record Breaking Night + a Stephen Jackson Interview

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the road. We're also on the road of incredible defensive wing guests had Andre Dalla, who's a teammate of mine who I think is an incredible defender. I've seen him give some of the better players that's been in the league over in the course of my ten years. Havoc Wreck, Havoc on guys, super smart, super strong, great lateral speed, great hands, good defender, metal World Piece who I think it's probably one of top two, along with the guy that I'm going to mention next that I've really played

against as far as the wind goes. I mean, metal World Peace was just rooted into the ground, like you could not move him, Like he's just rooted into the ground. And then our guests this week on this week's show, who was also a guy When I came into the league, I was playing three and guarding me on the wing and I'm like, oh my god. I try to drive around. He like hit me with a farm. I couldn't move. Stephen Jackson, you know, we had all these guys in

a row. I think it's great. Super excited about talking with Stack jack hosts of All the Smoke along with Matt Bars. Great podcasts they have they have going on. By the way, I was a guest on the show, had a ton of fun. They got a good thing going.

So I'm seen extremely excited to have Stack Jack on this this week's guest, just to really pick his brain on being a second round pick, which he was like myself on his journey through the league, his time with the Warriors like I've had myself, his time in the podcast space like I'm now in myself. A lot of similarities there. So looking forward to having stack Jack on

the show as we move forward in this episode. But first we have a few things that we need to discuss that's going on around the social Number one, I think we all got to talk about Steph Curry breaking the record to go such a beautiful thing. It was so incredible being in Madison Square Guarden. I think when you look at that record being broken, you always want to do stuff like that at home. You get the support of your home crowd and you know you're you're

just in your space. It's incredible. If you're not gonna do it at home, I don't think there's any better place to do it the Master Square Garden. And you know, sometimes stuff just work out. Most of the times when things just work out is because it works out for people that deserves incredible things because they are great people. And Steph Curry being one of the best people I've ever met, I've ever been around. It's very fitting that he have a moment like that, Like up the shot

doesn't go in in Indiana. No disrespect to Indiana, but you don't want to break the record there, like you just don't like there's nothing special about Steph Curry breaking the record in Indiana other than he broke the record in Indiana. He breaks the record of Masson Square Garden, And my wasn't special. I mean for starters for the NBA to allow and and Masson Square Garden and the

Knicks organization to agree to allow. I think it was five or six minutes on the clot maybe even a little more once we took the file for for him to have that moment, And my goodness, was that moment special? I mean from number one. For me to share that moment with him, to be on the court with him when he broke the record was incredible. We've been through a lot together my entire career. It's been my team mate, very special buyd we share. So to share that moment

with him with special, extremely special. That's just my point of view. But you talked at the Garden, Ray Allen there, Reggie Miller there, Dell Curry there, all the stars there were out at least Keys, Chris Rod, Tracy Morgan, Michael straighthand I mean you go down the list like Pete Davidson. Everybody was in there to see that record go down such a such a special moment, and for him to have as much time as they gave him to take that moment in to where it wasn't just like, oh man, hey,

Steph Curry just broke the record, clap it up, everybody. No, let's let's take a moment and embrace this and appreciate greatness and what we just witnessed because it's a very special feat by a very special talent it in person and someone who's been a great steward of this game and the way he carries himself, the way he represents himself, his family, the entire Warriors organization, the NBA as a whole.

Kudos to the NBA, Kudos to T n T, Kudos to the New York Knicks organization, ku kudos to Madison Square Garden for allowing that moment to happen. I thought that was extremely special, obviously well deserved. But let's talk about this record a little bit because I I actually saw although we were playing, I saw that saw the clips of it. Charles Barkley and Kenney Smith discussing whether

they think the record would be broken or not. And Charles Barkley obviously thinks this record to get so far out of reach, as a lot of people think this record will get so far out to reach that no one will be able to touch it. Ever, I do agree that it will. I think Steph Curry will end up making well over four thousand three pointers, depending on how long he plays, possibly five thousand, but I know he'll make I think he'll make over four thousand three pointers.

So now insane that that's a very hard record for anyone to beat. But you also have guys like Trey Young, like Donovan Mitchell. You know, guys that are good shooters and they're coming into the league. Averaging seven three pointers a game is rookies. You know, Steph Curry today averages eight point seven threes per game on his career attempts the last three years or so, I'm almost positive that he's over ten. I know for certain the last two years and up from not mistake can the last three

or four years, he's over ten. Attempts a game, and yet his averages at eight point seven a game, which means before he started attempt to tend a game, because he changed the NBA to where the three point shot is so dynamic and everybody's doing it, before he started attempt to tend a game, his average was probably out about six per game. Which you had, really who you had,

really who averaged a little over five per game. These younger guys are attempting threes at such a high clip, at a high rate that the law of averages just alone says that the record will be broken. I don't think the argument, though, is whether the record will be broken or not, because records are made to be broken, like that's just the nature of the beast. I think the thing that significant here is a couple of things. One is, whoever does break the record, we won't care

like we care with Steph Curry broke the record. And the reason you won't care like you did with Steph Curry broke the record is because the next person to break that record, unless we it's Cannon Curry coming along shooting like Steph Curry, I'm not sure we'll ever see another someone else that can shoot the ball like Steph Curry.

And so because of that, we won't care because when someone break that record, we will all know like, yeah, he broke it because of the law of averages, but we don't agree that you're a greater shooter than Steph Curry. And so I think the the argument here is is not whether someone is going to break the record or not. It's two things. Number one, we won't care as much, and number two that whoever that guy is, you you aren't better than Steph Curry. You're not a better shooter

than Steph Curry. And I think that is the argument is it probably will because the three is just everybody. I mean, everyone in the NBA can hit a three point shot. Now, whether you into that thirty percent or forty everyone in the NBA can hit the three point shot. And that is all because of Steph Curry and Clay Thompson. But Steph Curry and the way he changed the game with basketball, So would the record be broken. He's of

course gonna put it out of reach. But with the way these young guys are coming in just launching threes, maybe I don't know, we'll see, but one thing I know for certain, Steph Curry is the greatest shooter we've ever seen, and probably the greatest shooter wherever we'll see.

Speaking of last night's game, I know there was a lot of attention around my tweets on the night before and the day uh, and I saw a few people which I responded to a few because I had nothing but times and sitting the wait on the plane, let us board the plane, and then actually taking off and flying here and schedule being all jacked up. So do you nap? Do you not nap? Like the whole thing, and so of course I was bored. So I looked at a few responses and people are like, try one.

I think one guy said, try try try going to work every day of the week and still not have enough money to buy Christmas presents or something like that. So you're complaining and you make this amount of money, And like I told him, hey, my man, no disrespect, but your problems are your problems, and my problems are my problems. To be quite frank with you, you may not give a damn about my problem, and that's okay, that's totally fine. The reality is is those are still

my problems. I may not care at all about your problems, but the reality is they are still your problem. So the one thing that you and I both have in common is we both have issues that we're dealing with. In your mind, your issue is way bigger than my issue, but that's your issue, that is your reality. Your reality isn't my reality. So just because my reality isn't your reality, that doesn't lessen my issue because it's not your reality or in your mind, what I'm dealing with doesn't come

close to what you're dealing with in your world. And I told a few people that yesterday. It's like, hey, my issues are still my issues and your issues are your issues. It's totally fine. But the issue was, we finished playing in Indiana and we're supposed to fly to New York. Playing is broke down. We can't leave the night of. We go back to the hotel in Indiana. We have a ten o'clock flight yesterday morning, which doesn't

end up leaving until ten forty something. By the time we landed in New York, I think it's twelve forty is twelve thirty is by the time we actually make it to the hotel, it's right like one. By the time we make it to the hotel. Well, the significance of that is we play at seven thirty, and so now you're talking five and a half hours before a game time and actually making it to a hotel in

the city. And with those five and a half hours, you know again we're arriving at to the first bus was at three thirty, and you know you're headed to the game. And so just the I was extremely proud of our team and fighting through the adversity and and beating a tough those next team, hard hard nos next team. Because it's already not ideal playing a game or night before playing back to backs. It's just never ideal. That second game of the back to back is always tough.

You coupled that with traveling the day of and getting to the hotel five hours before the game, and it's

nearly impossible to win a game. You then add on the emotional moment of Steph Curry, Steph Curry breaking the record, and when you add on that moment, see, I've been in games, high emotion games, whether it's Steph Curry, you know when you have these things like Steph Curry gets the day before a playoff game, he's given his m v P trophy and then before the game, right before the game, you know, he showed it to the crowd day And that game is always very emotional, very hard

to win. If you I'd be interested in what the stats are, but I guarantee you the team with the guy accept an award, they don't win often. It's just a weird game to play in. And so I said all of that to say, with Steph Curry breaking the record last night, the whole stoppage happening, all of the things that went on with that, for our team to stay the course, win the game, be able to focus and lock back in, I thought that was a really huge step for our team and just our focus and

our toughness and our mental toughness. I thought that was huge for us to go out there and win that game the way we did. Uh that that taught me You're always learning about the guys you have with you, and that taught me even more about the guys that I go to war with daily. So I thought that was very special because it was a lot going into everything.

I mean, like I said, with the travel, with the record, you at the garden, all of these things you got, you kind of had everything working against us and we somehow find a way. I thought, I thought that was special, um, and I thought that was a big win for us. And also and and and other news around the association. We had the talks of the NBA and the n b p A discussing increasing player of testing. Obviously we know it's been a crazy uptick into positive cases. I mean,

you got your honest out. Now you have DeMar de Rosenhaal, you have zach lavine, now you have James hard now all of these guys that are missing time because of COVID. The league is talking about ramping up the testing for vaccinating and unvaccinated players for game and practice days, pretty similar to what we went through last year, which was brutal. I'm not sure where it goes. Um. I understand the league ramping up testing, if so, I must say, it

pisces me off a little bit. And the reason it does it is because we were told you get vaccinated, the testing stops, and a lot of guys got vaccinated for that reason, you know. And I think people just need to be careful what you say and what and how you go about getting people to do sad things because you tell me you get vaccinated, there's no more testing, and how you're going to bring the testing back as

if I didn't get vaccinated. And part of my reason for getting vaccinated was to not have on a string it was testing that we went through last year. It's tough to draw that one back, you know, And so you just have to be very careful and how you go about things. And so if if there's any part of it that pisces me off, I understand why totally get it, But that then becomes misleading information that was

given to me prior to me ever getting vaccinated. And it really makes you look back at the Kyrie situation, and you know, I know a lot of people have spoke about vote out on Kyrie, most of it being negative, and now you look back at the Kyrie situation, I know he's sitting back like all these guys are still getting COVID and y'all say everyone's vaccinated. What's like, what's

the issue? Why why can't I play? And especially if we're going back to testing every day before practice before games, that puts you right back in the same situation as everyone else, regardless of if vaccinated or unvaccinated. And so I think that will be interesting. I know there's been rumors about Katie and Kyrie talking more like Katie and Kyrie are best friends. This whole rumor of like, oh,

they're apparently back talking is utterly ridiculous. Is disgusting, because do you think Katie and Kyrie we're gonna stop talking because Kyrie isn't playing like their friends. Relationship goes beyond

the basketball court. So I thought that was disgusting. But you know, and and just speaking on that, you have to revisit Kyrie and what he's thinking and how he feels and all the things that's going on with it because of the situations that are going on in the NBA, with the COVID, with the positive tests, the positive cases, the testing now possibly about to come back, and all of those things. So you definitely have to take a

peek back at the Kyrie situation. And if you were someone who absolutely destroyed him, you may have to uh, rethink or recapt I know people in the media today don't really go back and say, oh, it's wrong. They just kind of move on to the next thing. But you may need to go back because this is a human being that we're talking about that's been drug through the mud because of a decision that he made on his body and what he wanted to do with his body.

You may need to look back at that as this news starts to unfold, because I think it I think it's going to get very very interesting if this plays out the way I think is gonna play out. So we'll keep an eye out on that. But I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out because the positive tests has been ramping up. You had Toronto go back to capacity in the arenas. Hopefully other teams don't follow that, but that's a big deal going back to fifty percent capacity.

So a lot of things going on right now on the COVID front. You know, we've been lucky knock on wood to not um have any positive cases on our team, and hopefully, fingers crossed we can keep it that way. But it's getting really interesting right now on the league on the COVID front. So stay tuned. We'll see how this plays out. But I think I know how it's gonna play out. We'll see, We'll see where it goes.

I want to welcome y'all to the Draymond Green Show, our next guest as a very special guest h We we have a lot of connected tissue. UM and me following in his footsteps, guy who came to this organization the Warriors when it was down uh and had one of the most incredible years in this franchise history, especially up until that point, and did it all through just

bringing that toughness and that fire and that grit. Obviously been that guy his entire career and entire life for that matter, but a guy who I have the utmost respect for. Incredible, incredible basketball player, incredible defender, one of the toughest guys that's come to our league. Stack Jack Stephen Jackson, what's up with my brother? Ain't glad to

be here? Thanks for having man and that that means a lot coming from you made because what we were able to do, we were able to start something, but what you did take it to another level. Bro. And I always tell people, I say, Jamond mind Grain is a different version of us. He's more of a polished version and he does more things. But like I don't know, I don't know why, but you know, we had you on our show and we talked a couple of times. But the thing that the things you do and your size,

it's like ten times more. I would say more wrapped than Charles Barker. Charles Barder can score, but what you do at your size. When I was in the league, it was being done by seven books facts. Sim Dunking, I played with him. He was relying on big guys to to to protect the paint, you know what I mean, and being a part of change in the game my wart. Thank you. I appreciate that man. That's you know. When I came into the league as as a second round

pick like yourself. Uh, you know, you come into the league and number one, you gotta get a contract. When you drive to the second round, there's no guarantees, so you gotta get a contract number one after summer league. These these days, guys don't even play some league with the contract. But I went through all through summer league without a contract, and my whole goal was just to get on the team. And once I once I signed my contract, I'm like, what's what is my goal now

in this league? And for me, my goal was to create a path for guys in this league. And it don't have to be scoring. Uh, it don't have to be you six nine, sixteen, sixt eleven to play the fourth position because that's always been my natural position, and you know, I wanted to build on that and through the success of our team. You know, I'm not oblivious to know that the success of our team has also helped and in my career and helped me change that narrative.

But you know, it's a great feeling. But you know, I want to talk about your career and the greatness that you put out on this court. It's funny because I had I had um. I was doing something with Meta. Uh we had Metal on the show, and and I was telling him when the two guys that I came into when I came into the league, that I knew right away, ain't no messing around with them. You're not getting around them. They're weighs stronger than everybody was. You

and Meta and y'all were two wing defenders. And I know I made a lot of news when I said, Um, I'm the best defender ever, you know, And I said that for two reasons. Number One, I feel like I am. I believe that because of all the things that I do on the defensive end, that it's not gonna show up in the statue. You know, it's cutting that guy off.

It's helping on that. But number two, just to start that conversation and drive the conversation to get uh, everybody talking about the guys like yourself, like Meta, like Ben Wallace, like Bill Russell. No one brings us up when when you're talking basketball grace because it's not scoring. And so that was a goal of mine when I made that comment, and and a lot of guys responded, what did you think of that? When I said that, Well, if you don't believe, who will? And it starts with you. I mean,

I know every time. I never made a first team All Defense or anything like that, you know, and I know it wasn't because of my players because other things. But I went out there and felt like I was gonna stop everybody in and everybody every night. That's just the attitude you gotta have as a defender. And that's why we rare because very few people have the confidence to go out there and feel like they can stop anybody.

Right I have. I have been rung in my top five defenders of all time because of what y'all do, and y'all can guard all positions. It's very people at y'all side that can guard one through five. I was everybody board one through four at certain times and certain players. Right, It wasn't all point guards. I can go at some

point guards, the big ones. I had them live the smaller It was smaller phone because there was a little quicker but Ron, you can put wrong on anybody at any given time, at any given game, and he's taking them out of the game. And and and that passion that we have, bro, I think that's that that that's instilled enough from where we come from. You can't be taught that. And it might be you know, like it was snubbed in the second round too, feeling like we

always have something to prove. Yeah, I'm thankful that we have that attitude, right, because that was our edge to go on the quote, I got something to prove every night. They still sleeping on me. So every night I'm coming to I attitude that I'm the best, even if y'all don't believe it, I'm coming I hit that confidence. No, that's a fact, man, that's a fact. Obviously. You coming from Port Arthur, Texas, which is a smaller city. Yeah,

and myself coming from Saginaw, Michigan, a smaller city. You just bred that way, like you can't survive on the playground if you don't have that mentality. You can't survive at the rec center if you don't have that mentality. So and I definitely have an appreciated But speaking of of rhyme um, you two guys together in Indiana, like I said, two of the better defensive, the best defendish

that I played against in my career. And obviously that was really early in my career, my first year or two that you guys were still playing, y'all two on the same team in Indiana, locking guys up, Like, how how did you feel? And obviously we'll get to what end up happening, but how did you feel about that team? Y'all to Jermaine O'Neil, Jamaal Tinsley, what what was your feeling about that? Tim And where does this stack up against all the other teams that you did play for? What? What?

What a couple of things happened? Mike Brown end up guing there. Mike Bround was marked the reason I went to San Antonio, I won the championship. That's my guy, my favorite coach of all time. Uh and I know you love Mike this way as well, and uh, he ended up going to Indiana, And I told you I had to go to Atlanta to kind of prove myself again have the championship. So Mike, make sure that Indiana was one giving me my contract and to give me a chance, you know, to be the player that they

know I could be. Going to that team, drink, I knew we was gonna win a championship because I looked at the Rocks. And but for Donnie Wash and Larry Bird to some of the best minds in basketball, to think that I'm the missing piece, and for Reggie Miller to say that I could be, I could be a successor. He's willing to bring him in. This is a guy that I can that I would love to take my place when I retire. All those things to have me

feeling real confident about myself. So going there looking at jamatow Nerono Test, Jamal Tinsley, Jonathan Bender, Scott Paul At, Jeff Foster, I'm just looking at the Rocks like there's no reason that we can't come out the East first of all. Um. So I just went that confidence. But man ran playing together on defense. We butted heads every night because we both want to got the best player. And when we got the best player, if that person scored one time, we are again let begin, let me

begin him, you know what I'm saying. And it kept us both I think every night, you know, we came into the game thinking, Okay, even if I'm not guarding the best man, I'm gonna lock this man up. So after the game we can be like, well, I locked mine up, you know what I'm saying. Most of the most of nice, that's what what it was for that short step of the season for the bral happened. But those fifteen nineteen games, we showed everybody we were the

best in the league. That's that's beautiful. And I think y'all did did as well. But you know, when you're playing against a team with a great wing defender, it completely mess like destroys the other team offense because most guys, most teams, their offense is usually built around a powerful wing. And so you got two guys that's taking taking those guys out of the game. Then you fund them to j O Young Jo by the way, who's blocking everything,

plugging the paint up. You got Jeff Foster clogging the paint up. Y'all had an incredible team and then obviously, uh, you know, a night and Detroit goes wrong. Um, you know y'all had the brawl. Walk me through the brawl. I know you started off kind of chill. Then you see Matta going to the stands where you go, what happens with you from there? You mentally so so you know you know that how how Detroit is. Absolutely he wasn't in the hood. That was the first thing. I

don't think a lot of people. He wasn't where the arena is now. Total situation. If the ring of where it is now that happened there, somebody would have really got hurt. But for the most part, I walked into a robbery. Like I said, this is my first year. They had just played in the Eastern Conference finals, so it was already Robert I had no no, nothing about it. I knew nothing about it. I was cool with a

lot of the Pistons players. So but once I walked into that arena that that year, I felt the tension. You can feel the tension, right so, and I know it's a big game. They just they just you know, they just wanted. Everybody's saying we're gonna get throwing them. So it's a big game. So I feel it and we ready to bust their ass. There wasn't no question we We were super confident, we wanted and he was busting the ass. So it's like forty five seconds left,

we up fifteen points. I'm at the free throw line. I had jam aultivity to iron you can get your file back. And it's playing in my mind. Is he talking about something last year? Because nothing happened in this game. You know what I'm saying, something like, bro, you know, and at the round this time, you don't have to put no battering wrong back. He gonna do some crazy ship anyware right this time. Absolutely, He says it, and I hear him while I'm at the pre throw line, said,

you look at the footage. We start running back to down court. I make the pre throw. I pushed wrong to somebody else's I go guard Ben. We switched so I can guard being just so wrong with file them so the clock will run out. We can get out of that. We're the best team in the league. Right now. We've seen him five. I'm guarding Ben bing gets the ball. I basically just let him go dra you know, the game over and let him store at the clock on

out Ron comes from out of nowhere, Bro. I'm saying out of nowhere, Bro, and just files being way too hard to be up fifteen points with quarti five seconds level. Right, So a lot of people to know Ben just had a definite family, had jets lost his brother, so he wasn't supposed to play right, So just imagine that being on your mind, right, and you get yas right. I'm not for the world on national TV, a big gang,

so being reacted like anybody should. Bro. You know, I wasn't mad at him for that, right, So we break it up. They don't get the fighting and nothing like that. The referees did a harder job. If me and you find somebody like that and they throw us out, they expect us to get off the court immediately, immediately another far reasons to to find us for more. They're gonna make sure that we get exported off the court. Being stayed on the court fort by a good five ten minutes.

He was throwing out and being had like six risk bands, so he kept throwing, and he kept throwing stuff and row right to the point where Ron was getting out of control, but Reggie had him calm. He kept laying down so after we get into it with them a couple of times, it's kind of calming down. A cup comes out the stands and Iron don't see the cup. I see it, and I see I see directulary of coming because I'm standing at that angle. Baron had his head up because he was laying down. He's just seen

the direction it came from. So when he went, my attention was not to go up there and punch nobody. Brol. I mean, I've been in this. I've been in bar fights, club fights too many times. So if you look at my whole posture, I was in control. I ran by by twenty people. I didn't touch nobody, you know what I'm saying. So ran right up there and grabbed the wrong guy. So by the time I got up there,

I was initially been the grab ron. And see this way, they don't talk about this why I feel like then he give us our money back and kind of reversed this ship because another bear was throwing the wrong face. Yeah, and that's the guy here. So that's why I reacted. Because he threw another bear, you know what I'm saying, and he was right in front of me, so I had to lay in my draft and let him get away with that. I respect that. I respect that I had to and and I feel that because I always say, um,

you know, stuff happens to us as players. And obviously it's all about right protecting the logo and all of that stuff, like protecting the integrity of the game. Like I get that, but I feel like a lot of times stuff having stuffed things happened to us as players, and it gives fans almost like a right to continue to do things because they know, at the end of the day, if you get suspended for thirty games, you

get five millions of dollars. That person go home and they go to work tomorrow, they collect they paid check. You know what I'm saying, you are Joe gets suspended for what twenty games I think, or whatever his was, fifteen games. Ron gets suspended the rest of the season. Guys, you're taking money out of guys, out of God's family's moth.

And these these fans know that, and they know absolutely, and they know they can get away with the things they get away with and what ends up happening if something the worst thing that happens to them, you band, you can't go to back to an NBA game. That's not that's not affecting my life one bit. That's some extracurricular thing that I'm doing because I enjoy doing it, whereas it effects our life. So I've always been a

little on edge about that. You know, guys can say whatever they wanted to say to us, they can do whatever they want to do, and ultimately you get thrown out the game where you can't come back. I don't think that's fair. Yeah, yeah, And that's a tough situation because at the end of the day, you're still a man, you know what I mean. So I think I think today, especially with everything going on and how people are starting to listen to to to our plight and don't and

don't think that everything we're saying is a complaint. They're realizing that we have a lot of room to stand on for the things that we've been complaining about it saying all this time. I think if if the brawl would have happened today, the suspensiones wouldn't have been like that, you know what I'm saying. They would have looked at everything for the would have a fine tooth calm Okay. There at work, he got assaulted by a fan. First, this is how all this started. You see what I'm saying.

They would have looked at it different, and I guarantee that I'll come would have been different. No, I think it definitely would have been different. And obviously that changes the entire complexity complexity of the NBA because now y'all have a great team. Even if you don't win a championship that year, you're coming back next year the following your Iran doesn't end up leaving. It changes things for Joe,

it changes things for yourself. Like I don't think people really realize the effect that that brawl had on the NBA as a whole because the Star game, I'm an All Star Dred. If that don't happen, Charlotte, I'm All Star short. It completely changed the complexion of the NBA. But then so fast forward the following year, Uh, you're back, jos back. Ron gets suspended for the first thirty games um by the team. He comes back off the suspension from the team first thirty games, and he requestsed trade.

He didn't say anything to y'all about no, and then but we felt something. We felt something because we'll see me, I got a relationship with him. So during that time I felt something because he has shot it was it was some kind of Smack DVD and Smack d was putting all the local rappers on. I think at the time, if he was rapping, you had to be on Smack DVD. So before the season, why we're working out. He came to my house and shot and brought all his rappers

and shot of Smack DVD at my house. He wanted to use my house, right, so I knew his mind wasn't where supposed to be. You know what I'm saying. We trained, you know what I'm saying, we supposed getting ready for the season. I knew. I knew his man was supposed to be bro So when he came, when he came and said that he wanted time off, I knew that was just the beginning, right. I knew he feel his with something way harder than that, you know

what I'm saying. And it started from that till he's saying it is somebody on his family died to him being at the source of wards to him all of a sudden want to be trading, you know what I'm saying. To me, that was just having a face not put my career on the line for you, bro. You know what I'm saying, Like I just met you, but I'm robbing you with my teammates. I'm riding with you like

I've been knowing you my whole life. But for you to put me in jail this position and then turn your back on us, you know what I'm saying that kind of like God, damn, bro, kind of nigg is you absolutely no? And I think, uh, you know, and talking to him and him just saying like, Yo, I regret that. Uh Like that was one of that's still to the today one of my biggest regrets in life. And I understand it because you know, when I look

back on that obviously totally different situation. But for me, when I like when I look back on Game five and getting suspended, which which ultimately cost us a championship, I don't regret. I don't regret reacting to Lebron stepping over me, you know, because at the end of the day, like you said, I'm a man first. You know, You're just not gonna step over my shoulder, and I'm not going to react. I'm a man first. But I do regret. I don't regret it, but I do wish I could

have a moment back. And the reason I wish absolutely I wish I could have a moment back because not only how it affects me, because by the way, if if that never happens, I would Finals MVP, and the whole narrative of everything is different at that point, like totally different. And so I wish I could have a moment back, not only for the Finals MVP before the other guys in the situation as well. You know, that's another championship for Steph Kurr, that's another championship for Klay Thompson,

and we worked for that, you know. So I wish I could have that moment back, but in the in the same token, like you said, as a man, I get it. But um, moving forward, You're now host of All the Smoke. You were you were my big other, big bro Matt Barns, who I've had the pleasure of coming onto the show, looking forward to coming back whenever you guys are having me one of the best, if

not the best podcast in the sports space. And what you guys have done, what's been the key for y'all to have the success that y'all have had from the very beginning, and it's continued to get better though, like the guests have continued to get better, and it's just constant with y'all. It's a well or machine. I think. I think one thing, bro, is we are who we are first, right, so the people we are knowing that we were emotions on o'cousleeve. Knowing what you see is

what you get. With me. I ain't trying to be nothing. I'm not either take it or leave it. People respect that more than you know. So for me and Matt, we always treated the janitor like we treat the president. So we have we we we created relationships with people by just being genuine, you know what I mean. And we both were doing I was doing Fox and ESPN. Very few people have done that, you know what. I

was doing both both networks. Then Mask start doing both to the point we're like, hey, bro, we're making all these other shows hot, why do we do our own? Um Matt had connections with Ellen Records and shot to Ellen. She's Um one of the creators of Red Table Talk, and she also was one of the creators of Oprah or Whimple Show. She had connections with Showtime. Matt sister came up with the name All the Smoke because that's

all we do, and it it all worked out. She went to Showtime Brian Danny and Steve Espanoza was already looking to expand Showtime Basketball and we were have perfect faces forward and I just think our love has been great, bro, because I couldn't have I couldn't have said that it was gonna do this well. I wouldn't said that will be award win award winning show, a while winning podcast,

and that will be on Showtime. But to be going to the Our Heart Awards again for the second year and to be what we had in the Path podcast has been a blessing, bro. What What's What's What's your congratulations?

By the way, Number one, I think it's incredible for two black men, um former athletes to go into a totally different space and just dominated you know, and I think for myself, uh you know, J. J. Reddick Um, but a lot of other guys C. J. McCallum, a lot of other guys in the space are starting to catch on that. And you guys really paved the way in the way y'all have gone about it and staying true to who y'all all are. I think is is the most beautiful thing? Uh? What what is? What is

your favorite thing about the podcast? I think it's I'm a fan of a lot of basketball players, right, and I'm a fan of a lot of people in different walks of life. So if you look at a lot of our shows, like even like when it's especially one of the guests that I want to know, I won't say much. You know what I'm saying. I just let Matt because I really want to. I'm interested in knowing these people, you know, and I like conversation. Everything is

really just a healthy conversation. But a lot of these people I'm fans of that we have on our show. So when I have what we have you on the show, we have stuff. Yeah, I know, y'all, but I'm but I'm having a conversation with y'all that i've never had, right. I'm learning. I'm learning, y'all. I'm getting to know y'all too. So for me, I love having conversation and getting to know my guests, you know what I'm saying, Knowing what they like, knowing what they think, knowing about their childhoods.

Because I'm I'm the guests we have I'm a fan of absolutely. No, it's incredible. And do you do you have a guest, a dream guest that you would want to have on the show that y'all haven't had yet, because it feel like I feel like y'all had every fucking body. Yeah, no, no, No, it's a lot more people we gotta have. I think for me, my dream guests would be probably I would have to go Dave Chappelle. Wow for me right now, because I mean there's a

lot of dead. There's a lot of ones is not that's dead right now that I wish I could have, you know, Maka Evers or somebody like that, Um, Malcolm x um, some people like that, but alive, definitely, no question, that's incredible. I think. I think for me, I gotta I hope to get jay Z because I number one obviously. Uh. He is the pit of me of black excellence. He is you know when you look at a guy who came from drug dealing with you and I know far too well, we know a million drugs dealers coming up

where we come up at. That's kind of like I remember playing in a in a civic in the Civiltani League, which was a recreation center in our neighborhood, and guys didn't play on the high school team because they wanted to play in the Civiltari League and didn't do anything else but wanted to sell drugs because that was the thing to do. Like you cool, you hip, you sell dope and you're playing the Civiltan League. That was it,

you know. And so just looking at jay Z going from drug dealer to rapper to businessman too all of that, to the owner of an NBA team to his own age, like you name it. He's done it all from clothing, uh, spirits champagne, like he covers all the tracks. And I just feel like the game that I can soak up and the knowledge that I could soak up sitting here talking to jay Z and listen to jay Z a lot like the knowledge and game that I can get

soaking up from you. That that's big with me and and Jay the goat, So I would he definitely to go and he always get dropping some gems. I got a gym from you that I don't know if you ever heard that he said that I that I've held with me over the years. That's why That's why I probably why I'm still rich and they can. Jay Z say, if you can't buy twice, you don't came afford it,

and and that makes a lot of sense. And I I even think about that, you know, I used to think about that when I go out to clubs and stuff like that, like if I can't spend ten thous on the section today and tomorrow. You know what I'm saying, I don't. I don't need to be doing it. But that just that mentality to hear somebody like that that we both look up to, jay Z say things like that, where he had and where he comes from. You gotta respect that, bro. You gotta listen. You know, I respect

little things like that when he comes like that. No, it's it's it's incredible. And I appreciate that because I you know, we all need them gems and just to keep keep on pushing with it. But in terms of that, I following in the name of the show all the smoke, which like you said, came from you know, you and Matt like the smoke the NBA. Recently, marijuana is no longer on the band substance list, and I know that was something that you guys have fought for for years

um and and it's finally happened. Do you think, um, like, that's here to stay because it happened through the pandemic, right like, we're going through the pandemic. It's like, hey, we're not testing for marijuana right now. Do you think that's here to stay? With the progression of everything we now know about marijuana? And is that a good thing? Because I think you know, some guys, I mean, let's just face it, you and I both know some guys

may abuse that. You know, maybe not, But do you think that's a good thing for our lead moving forward? I think it's I think it's a good thing because a lot of these medications that they pushed on players, and players are gonna start speaking up against a lot

of those things and would rather be more natural. I think the reason why they stand on that side of because Sharon robertson the name right, she she she actually sat down and had a meeting with Al Harrington and they did the pros and cons, They did the good and bad about all these things, so they understand that it's more benefits than the negative size of it. Right. That's one thing too. It's big business. Now, everybody don't nobody want to be cut out the business, right, That's

so it's always about business. But then you know, like with us, I mean to ask your first question. I just think if nobody gets to the point where they're abusing it. See the reason why I took so long while we were in the league, because it was guys like me that smoked my whole career, never missed the game, never was suspended, never got caught with it, because I

did it the right way, right. I wanted smoke people to see, you know what, I'm I come, I'm I'm My street credit is one though, So I wanted smoking for people to say only Jackson smoking weed. I was doing to calm down, to be able to coat, you know what I'm saying with with these games and playing with injuries and stuff like that. So but it was guys, a lot of guys around the time getting pulled over with it. Fell and joy take doing big get doing

playoffs and big games and just embarrassing the league. And that's what it took so long to get to this point. But see now the generation we have now, y'all respect the game better than we did a lot of y'all. You know, you don't see guys getting caught with it and pulled over and all that. And you don't see that as much as we did when we were playing, right, yeah, we we we had to take some of those licks to what to be the way it is today. We

understand that, you know what I'm saying. But to be able to be one of the guys that were speaking up to have the league to have the legal now with guys can if they're not feeling and they're not feeling well and they don't want to take a whole bunch of pills, they want to go on and smoke them with joint, they can do that peaceful. And now I'm glad that I was one of the faces and

one of the guys to speak up for that. But as long as guys like you say they're gonna start abus nick getting pulled over, doing getting getting criminalized for in places that they shouldn't be with it and stthing like that, it should be fine. Yeah. Now I think so too, And I think, um, like you said, guys

are just in a much different space. And I think a part of it is also social media though right, like we all know, you have to be more on your ps and queues than ever because in any like you just have to assume that all times you're being recorded, whereas y'all didn't have those same those same things, that those same pitfalls and things to worry about. Nobody's recording your every second y'all walk because camera phones weren't a thing, you know, um, and social media wasn't a thing, so

news didn't travel as fast as it could. And so I think the awareness of that and understanding that definitely helps our generation as opposed to y'all. Um. Yeah, for sure,

for sure, I've heard all the stories. I've definitely heard of speaking of which all right, and hearing all the stories like obviously I played with jay O my second year in the league, my O G and he would share all the stories about y'all and just going back to the Malice of the Palace, obviously we all saw that that was great, but y'all were actually getting into stuff that was way crazier than the malice at the Palace. Wait, crazier.

I know you had a situation at a club that that didn't quite go the way you thought it was going when you went out that night. Uh, talk to us a little bit about that because the thing that people don't know, y'all was tough and hell on the court, but y'all were probably tougher off the court. Yeah, because you know, we all come from that demographic of where you had to be tough, but you was gonna get

swallowed up. You know what I'm saying about your environment you had, you had to have a chip on your shoulder. I think with me, I think, uh, the reason why I survived that, it's because my heart was in the right place and I was just being a lawyer friend. Like the two incidents I've been in in the NBA was me being lawyer to a fall. I'm leaving. We had a strip club and training camp. I'm men are leaving the club and we're about to go to another club because the strip club wasn't that pop and it

was more men at anything. And and and as we're leaving the club, Jamal Tensey is running out the club and some guys are chasing them so out and see it, so Al kept going it ain't. I ain't that type of dude to see that and be like, man, I ain't gonna get no trouble and just keep going. That ain't in me. Bro, that's just not hear me. So I stopped, I backed up. I took my tool because we had just got my I just got my gun lights and I took my tool. I put it in

my pants and I ran over there. And by time I got over there, there was getting you know, everybody to put the try to hit him whatever. So I I let off a couple of warning shots because one thing about me when it stuff like that going on, I'm not gonna get hit from behind and knocked out from the side of something like that. Again, stumped on

the parking lot. So they had about twenty five guys with him, So guys just started coming out the club right, So I let off a couple of warning shots by find an air and as I did that, security grabbed me, like get to your car, jack, get out of because this was the club we always go to. Now that's what all I did, was go to strip club. So as I'm running to my car, one of the guys that they was with had had had already had plans on hit and hitting me with his car. So I'm

running to my car. All of here is he peeling out. He's going from his parking spot to this little bit in a smart parking lot. He peeled up, going boy thirty miles power and he's coming at me. So I wasn't drinking, so my mind I'm thinking I I was quick thinking, I don't want to just stand there, let him take my lags, just run completely there with me, kill me. So I kind of turned my back drind hopped when the car got closed. I just hopped. When my butt was on the hood with my head hit

the windshield and I flew in the aarp. From the momentum of the car, I land faced first. All my teeth come out, my lips are shadowed, and I'm just hitting the ground boom boom, boom boom from the momentum. But I stand right up right and I started as I stat up, I'm busy. But how the parking lot is for him to get out to get to the main street, he had to bust you. So when he busted you, his lights hit me dead in my face and woke me up. I pulled my gun out and chasing, wow,

trying to blow us head. Wow. I chased. I shoot my last two shots, and I realized everything that's going on because my drin is all I was all drenaline. I just got hit by a car. I still right up and they got passed out. Boom. I wake up on the police called Markets Dames. They got me and Markets in the back seat him up because Markets was on the other side, and he held me down. He the only one held me down. Everybody out there got guns.

Markets the only one held me down. So so they got they got us in the police car, but I'm knocked out. I'm on conscious in the police car. I hear him kicking the window. He think I'm dying because you see my mom just just blood just pouring out my mom with my teeth and on my lips shattered, and I'm I'm unconscious, but he don't know if I'm breathing or not. So he kicking the car like let my point out that he died. And and as he kicking the one of the windows, I wake up. I'm like, bro,

what's going on? And as I said that, I instantly feeling my mom. I'm like, oh fuck. So they end up letting us go because we had our gun license and the camera showed everything that was every everything that went on, and they wanted us to get out of the other before the camera put the news cameras came, which was love. They showed his love on all that. Right, So after that I had to go. I violated probation because I was on probation for the brawl. I ended

up doing ten days and two in ten days. Some jail program in Detroit, violated probation in Indiana. All kinds of stuff. Well, I had to I had that night. I had to have plastic surgery on my lips with no anesthesia, bro for two hours, no anesthesia, cutting the skin off my lips, digging and debris and my mom and my and my lips and my guns for two hours with no anesthesia. And the reason why they couldn't

add any because my lips were so swolled. If they were to add it, someth of my lips probably would have burst. That's I slept eight hours. As soon as he cut the last stitch I went. I slept through X rays in my eyes everything. I slept like eight hours straight because I was fighting pain for two hours, most pain I ever been in my life. That's insane, man,

That's ask someone who playing the NBA. I can't even fathom going through It's just it's just not the way life is anymore for an athlete, you know, like, and I think David Stern did a lot of cutting that out right, like cleaning the league up and making sure nothing like that happen again. But that's insane, bro. But I know, I know you gotta go. Like I said, I appreciate you taking the time, but I'll be remissed

if I didn't ask you this last question. Just like I said, speaking of our connective tissue, um in the beginning of the show, you came to the Warriors, had one of the best years here and I don't know what y'all was doing here, man, but the way they love y'all around here, it's crazy. I have to hear stories from Eric Housing about you guys all the time. He worshiped the ground you walk on. He worshiped the ground Matt walk on, Jay Rich Monte Al, that whole group.

What was it that that out that team together? It happened at the deadline right like wasn't expected to make the playoffs. What was it that brought that team together to put you all in a position of how the year that y'all end up having beating Dallas in the first round and kind of bringing life back to this organization because they hadn't seen anything, any winning, any sort of winning for years. Well, I think I think the biggest thing is something that y'ld highlight today with the team.

Now we cared about each other, you know what I'm saying? That that was big. I think I hadn't already knew me and Matt wi already beat. I mean I was already best friends. Man. I met out of a team. He was eighteen and I was twinning. I've been on bats and six team. I've been on Jay Rich for a while, and uh so these are a lot of guys that I knew. But we were all journeymen who were all guys that were still trying to get together

to prove something. And with Indiana, that was my second time being in trouble there in a year and a half. Two years, say like, man, we gotta get rid of this guy. I mean, enough is enough, you know what I mean? So it was a blessing in the skies. I didn't want to go because I just got traded back to Indiana. He just got traded back then and

he just bought a house. So they but the only way for the trade to work was they had to put all in the trade and it was a blessing in disguise for all of us because things wasn't going right there. They didn't have a winning attitude there, you know, and and I think we we we brought a swag to the to the team that was needed. You know, Beatie was doing this thing, that Richards doing this thing,

but they didn't have we didn't have identity. I think we came I then it became a scrappy team, and not that they don't look the best on paper, but they're gonna bang and they're gonna make you work every night, to the point where we got confident we started winning. I think we won nineteen out of twenty one, uh to make it to the playoffs something like that. But I think we cared about each other, but our coach let us be us. It was there was a number

of things. The city embraced it, like the city was was longing for it. Every night, Drede we was in in the city at some spot with all the regular people, Like the whole team were in the shirt off Bandanna's drinking. We end up just like regular people every night, but it's the whole team right. And I think the tend that the organization was losing for so long. Being able to beat the number one seed in the first round,

it felt like a championship, right. It felt like to the whole Bay area, right, And and it just changed, It just changed everything to the point when y'all came to one, it just felt like it was dressed up for you know what I'm saying, and it's a great time. Nearly let us be us um quick story, Nellie, I was never captain on no team. Beginning to sit the season, Nearly asked me and Baron Davis to come to the bar and play shuffle board with him. Never played shuffle

board in my life. Is not a black game, no boy. So he brings that were playing shuffle board. We drink. He gets us drunk off two bottles of Scotch and and and doesn't talk about basketball the whole time. And as he's leaving, as me and Beatie about to fall over on the bar, he tells, oh, yeah, by the way, I brought you here to tell you all yall captains and walked out of the restaurant. Brow We're gonna get home. He got he just long side on us. Man he

was the best bro. He allowed us to be us and we gave him all because he did not He didn't try to change none of us. And that's the best compliment I got from the coach. Don Nelson is one of the winning coaches ever. He's the compliment. After we beat the Maps, he was like, well, one thing about Stephen Jackson. If I had to pick a team five, if I had to pick my start in five, I wish I could have five Stephen Jackson. So that's something

my whole deal to me. That's incredible, man. And I definitely know how it is to be in Oakland, and I love a show like I know with like I said, the way it was going, no winning and they can grab onto y'all and y'all as really as your y'all y'all are and showing them love, partying with them. I know how they grabbed onto that, because I know how they grabbed onto me, you know, and just show you that love and kind of just adopt you as one of their own man and steel back over there. We

gave you gave that. Yeah, to win, it was cool, but that grit that is basically built off you know what I'm saying, and it was it was easy for them, like that's what they was looking for. Absolutely know it's it's an incredible place, man, and they represent their their own like nobody else but Stack. Man. I appreciate you coming on. Looking forward to coming back to all the smoke, bro. Thanks again, man, much respect and much love. I love

for life, bro. Anytime you need me, you know I'm coming. Man. Well, I appreciate you. Wow. What an amazing interview uh with Stack Jack. Definitely want to thank Stack again for coming on as a guest. I said before, they obviously hosted me on the show, so to have him on the show is incredible. And just you know, when you're going all the smokes, they're picking my brain and asking me questions and so just to pick his brain and kind of get some of that history, uh, some of that game.

I never take that for granted, you know. So when I'm when I'm having these conversations with these guys, I'm learning just as much as everyone out there listening, and I am enjoying it just as much, you know, hearing these stories, hearing these guys points of view. You know, they're a little older than me, so their time in the League and their era, and the NBA is a little different than some of the eras I touched, so, you know, just being able to take all this information

in this game and it's extremely special. So again, I want to thanks stack Jack for coming on to the Draymond Green Show. That's gonna be a rap for this week. Looking forward to everybody tuning in next week. Make sure y'all continue to subscribe, check out the Draymond Green Show on the volume that that's a rap for episode five. Tune in next week. But while y'all at it, circle back through and keep checking that game out of Give me y'all much love, Draymond Green show Piece