LeBron vs. Isaiah Stewart, Kuzma's Sweater, and a JJ Redick Interview

people are following my college football bets. I'm sort of red hot. I've won eleven and twelve. Hey, if you're new, just download the FanDuel Sports Book app. I did it in fifteen seconds. Get started now sign up. Please use the promo code Colin so they know we sent you. Please use the promo code Colins CEO l I N FanDuel sports Book App. Sign up. What's up? Everybody? Is Draymond Green welcoming you back to the second episode of The Draymond Green Show. Man. I am extremely excited about

this episode. Obviously, as we spoke on before, this will definitely be a basketball heavy podcasting ship got a little spicy last few days in the NBA UM where you know, there's no surprise that um, King James got into it with a young fellow Isaac Stewart from Detroit, and it got a little bloody, It got a little physical, But we'll talk about that. I guess you can say it got a little physical with with all the antics as you can see which way I'm leaning, um, and the

whole discussion by that statement, all of the antics. As a fan of the game of basketball, that ship was crazy. And I said, as an actual player, come on. And why I say come on, it's because if you watch that video, by the way, Isaiah Stewart is probably the strongest guy in the NBA. UM. What is the years old uh reincardnation of Ben Wallace there in Detroit. So going back, obviously Lebron swung his arm, um, and he

bloodied Isaiah. And I mean, as as someone who has had his fair share of ship throughout throughout the course of my career, UM, I personally can't say Lebron did that on purpose. And here's why I say that. Did he swing his arm on purpose? Yes? Absolutely? Was he trying to get Isaiah Stewart from hooking his off his arm? Absolutely was he trying to bloody his eye and have blood running down his face like like he just got it, got his ass kicked by by Bud Crawford. I don't

think so. I just personally don't think Lebron's intentions was to actually hit him in the eye, to actually make him bleed to which then led to all of that. And here's why you have to be so accurate and just swinging your arm in the heat of the battle to actually connect and and had this guy bloody the way he was now again, I one percent think Brown was swinging his arm to get him off on like,

of course, that's that's a natural reaction. Um, kind of like my reaction when Lebron stepped over me, you know, like someone it's a natural reaction when someone scribing you, someone's over you. It's a natural thing, you know. And so I don't think that Lebron did that on purpose. But as I said, he definitely was getting the kid off of all. Right. Now we moved forward and the little scrumb and my second thoughts were, y'all mashed up. Man, no man, you know, man, no man, shut the face.

And to me it looked like Lebron and saying, hey man, my bad. Didn't you know I didn't try to do that, And the conversation seemed to be a little under control. You know, he's piste off. He turns around Bron standing there, Brons like yo, my bad, blah blah blah. And then this is where it got spicy. You have the teammates come running in holding the guy back, pulling him away from Lebron, and I think they may have made him feel like he should be upset because that's when he

went apes Ship. He went apes Ship. Right after the teammates started coming in and grab him. He looked as if he was just going to have a conversation with Brian in that moment, and they kind of got to get it figured all out. Then everyone runs in. He turns into the incredible Hawk and starts running over everybody. You know, if if you were going to do all

of that, then that should have just happened. When y'allre face to face, like you had your opportunity to do whatever it was that you were going to do, and that didn't happen. That time period is gone. Let's move forward. So for everyone out there, um, for my fellow NBA guys,

out there. For Isaiah Stewart, someone who's been fined about a million dollars in my career, I wouldn't waste my time if I were and money, because unless you're going to do something right in that moment that you and Lebron Wild face to face, the rest of the ship is just window dressing and and and the west and the rest of it is it leads to the Internet going crazy. And most importantly what it leads to is it leads to a fucking two game suspension, which is

too game checks. And you know, there's this there's there's this common misconception of once a kid comes into the NBA that they're rich. That's bullshit because number one, you have Asian fees. Most importantly, you have taxes, um, you have costs of living, you're you have for most of us, I'm figuring out how money and finances actually work, you know,

And so you have all of these things. You have family, you have all of these things to where those first couple of years, especially for me who was the second round pick, you just don't have a bunch of money and to get suspended for two games, I'm not sure. Isaiah Stewards salary, but I'll be willing to bet he probably won't get a check for the next week, I mean for the next two to four weeks, and if so,

it would be significantly less. I do think this is the last that we'll see Isaiah Stewart getting into it with someone like the caliber of King James or some other guys in this league, because, as as gilbrid Arena said in his in his post the other day, um, there's just some guys you shouldn't get into it with. And Isaiah, take it from me. I got into it with Lebron James about um, roughly five years ago, and it didn't go so well for me. And not that Bron kicked my ass, um, but he did kick my ass.

Not physically, though, he did kick my ass because he came back from a three one deficit to win a world championship and that ship still stinks today. So, as someone who has gotten into it with King James on the floor, Isaiah, just a little word of advice, it's not really worth the time, Um, it's not really worth the effort and the energy that he spent to get through all of those people only to end up paying

two game checks. We can all sit and say, how did he get suspended for two games and Lebron got suspended for one? Lebron started blah blah blah. That ship doesn't matter. Um, that is the world that we live in. Should have earned and I think Lebron James personally should not have been suspended for one game because he is Lebron James. And yes, he did hit the du it in the face, he got kicked out of a game.

Let's just leave it at that, because I personally don't think that's just that's the world we live ma man. So if you didn't think Lebron deserved this is mentioned, were you surprised then? Because I feel like a lot of people were surprised that he got suspended for a game, especially considering the game he's gonna miss is a national TV game at Madison Square Garden. You know it. I am not surprised that he got suspending the hairs Why

Adam Silver, who I think he's the best commissioner in sports. Um, And it's not a discussion. Um. Adam Silver, if I'm not mistaken, has publicly says something along the lines of the league judges. Reactions on social media and everywhere else when they are um deciding whether suspension will happen to

find will happen. Adam hasn't been shyed to that, and I could be mixing my channels up and that's something that I've heard just being an NBA but as a fan of this game, I'm pretty sure that's something that

I've seen publicly. But that's that's that, like they're they're going to somewhat taken into account the public's reaction, and obviously the public reaction to this was huge, So I am not surprised that Lebron got suspended for a game because the public's reaction was so big to it um too the incident and it's drawn so much attention, So because of that, I'm not surprised, but I am surprised because I just don't think Lebron James should suspended unless

it's just some ship that fucking you know. Sometimes you know, things get through get out lettle out of hand, and then that's just that that thing got out of hand. But from the time Lebron hitting him in the face, he was kind of like, hey man, my bad, He's still back. He didn't continue to go even after Isaiah Stewart did all the running around and trying to rip through people that he did. Bron just still back there, like look at him, right, what's he doing? And and so, yes,

I think Lebron got kicked out of the game. And and like there's his punishment, Like you get kicked out the game, you you're you're getting fined there, maybe you tack on an extra fine or something whatever. But I personally didn't think he should have gotten suspended because he he had his punishment, like he he hit the guy in the face. Um, he got kicked out of the game. And that's that. Now, that's one thing if you know

that officiating. The crew said, um, we're gonna give Lebron a flagrant one or we're gonna give Lebron a technical file. And he continues to play, and then the league goes and review it and they say, oh no, that punishment. He should have been thrown out of that game. So because of that, we're giving a one game suspension. Then that's totally different. But I mean, he got kicked out of the game, and I personally think he's just paid

for his actions. Like big you know, Isaiah Stewart um went crazy after the fact, and you know it created this whole commotion, but the real of it is like Lebron didn't go crazy, like so, so does Lebron now get in trouble because this dude start running through everybody, Like, I personally don't understand that, And so, UM, I didn't think he should have been suspended. So if if I was surprised at anything, I was surprised more so at the fact of like, yes, you're suspending them, but he

he served as punishment and that's just that. But it's funny because I was I was talking to my um. I was talking to my wife yesterday and we were talking about I'm like, damn baby, they just supend Lebron And we're talking about the situation and she's like, well, can you like, wouldn't it be dope if you could choose choose which game you can suspended for? Tell me, how are you asking me? I showed, wouldn't her? I show wouldn't have chosen game five? So I mean that

that would be nice. But and I said, well, that would be nice, but it doesn't quite work that way. It's just the next game up. And she's like that sucks. I said, well, what sucks is they're playing in the Garden and it's a National TV game, you know, it's the next And she's like, yeah, that sucks. She's like, but I'm sure Lebron feels like I've I've played in the Garden enough times, Like all right, but I said,

but here's what you have to take into account. May at the point that Lebron is at in his career, which is in year nineteen, he only has so many more games in the garden, you know, like you got this one this year, which you'll now miss, so then you got your twenty Who knows what's going on at that point in the season when you're play in the garden,

you know. And so we've seen Lebron have monster games in the Garden, and you know, we know what that stage brings out and the best and so just to not have that opportunity to play and you only have so many more opportunities, um to actually be on that stage and play in the Garden, that's the part where I think I think that really sucks. I think I think for me personally, as far as the Lakers go, um as far as the Lakers go with making the

trade for Russell Westbrook. Uh, I think they let go a kcp uh Coop's Montres harrow and and bringing in Russ As a competitor, you know, I can sit here and go through it, go through an analyst given analysis on the trade, how I felt and how I feel now,

and where they are as a team. But the reality is as a competitor, as someone who in the who's in the same division as them, fighting for the same goal, um, as someone who's on a team who's trying to get out of the Western Conference and get back to an NBA finals, It's not really on me to decide like, oh, is this a good trade for them? Or is this not? I really don't give a damn what what I do

care about this. I immediately just started playing with the matchups, like, okay, I'll be on a D all right, so we'll have wigs on. We'll have wigs probably on Lebron uh. And if we have wigs on Lebron uh, then who who? Then? You know, our next matchup? Who are we putting on Rush? You know? And so I just immediately start going through the matchups and seeing how we stack up against that team.

I personally think it's absolutely insane that people will start to count that team out less than twenty games into the season, because it's number one, it takes time for ship to work. It takes time for a team to actually become a team. And so to think that a team eighteen games into the season, that's who that team will be in a month and two months and three months,

it's absurd, uh, And it is. It's almost disrespectful to the process of going through it and the process of winning the championship because it doesn't just happen game one or or eight or fifteen for anyone. You know, like you're still trying to You're still trying to figure it out. You're figuring matchups out, you're figuring lineups out. You know, you're figuring all at thest what play what sets work, what sets don't work? Are we running too many sets?

Do we need to simplify the playbook? Do we need to add more to the playbook? Um, you're you still have all of those things to to figure out. And so to count that team out under twenty games into the season, I think is absurd. As I said before, I think it's disrespectful to the process of winning the championship. Because it doesn't happen overnight for anyone, um not, you know, I say that as someone. I think we're fifteen and two or whatever. Our record is right now here we sit.

We we sit here in the with the best record in the league through the first three weeks or whatever it is, and you can bet your bottom dollar we're like, we're gonna hit some bumps, like we're you know, that's just the nature of the game we play. You play eighty two games in the year, you know, you lose two or three in a row, feels like the world's collapsially, you know. And so we're gonna hit some bumps. They are, you know, they're they're already hitting some bumps. And that's

just every everyone's season is different. You may hit your bumps in the beginning, you may hit them in the middle, you may hit him in the end. You also have some of these teams that maybe bump y'all all the way through the season. But the reality is is everyone hits that bumping the road. Everyone has to figure it out. And I think I don't think it's past the point

of where they're going to figure it out. We're twenty We're not even twenty games in, So I don't I don't sit back and look at them and say, yep, that that team can't figure it out, that they won't win. Now, that's a very dangerous team with a lot of talent that you have to continue to get better and make sure you're yourself in the best position to beat that team whenever it's time, because they'll be there. Speaking of another team that had a lot of talent and you

can't count out. That was sort of in the news a little bit online last night. Did you, Draymond Green see the picture of Kevin Durance? Oh my god, Jesus Christ. Kay, you know what. I actually saw the picture. BAM out of Buyo sent me the picture and said, there's no way case this ash. He said, there's no way, Kay, is this ash? And I said, what the fuck? I sent back a bunch of crying after faces, and then I clicked on the link that Bam sent me and it was fucking hilarious. I think it was the ten

clips of the ten clips of uh well tweets. I should say it started with I said Thomas, and then it went on through I. Um, it was a great It was a great day in and NBA news not related to basketball between Katie's ankle or leg or whatever it is, that was ridiculous. And as someone who I mean growing up man, I was the kid in high school who everyone came to me for lotion. I kept lotion in my backpack, but I was always ashy. I hate it putting it all. But if you ever need

a lotion, you come to me. So as someone who spent uh the first sixteen years of my life not giving a damn when I was asked or not, that was another level of that. That wasn't even ash. That was fucking scales And like I mean, it looked like you could go fucking skin him like an alligator and and and take it to the store and sell it like that's how bad. That's how bad it was. I have not talked to Kevin yet. I am looking and forward to calling him today and and getting his appearance.

I know he's gonna say, fun, y'all, Uh, why why y'all worried about my ankles? I already know what his response is gonna be. But I'll tell you what to my brother Rich climbing Um, there's a lot a lot of lotion brands out here, I'm not sure Kevin Durant

wants to promote some lotion or endorse some lotion. But to my brother Rich Climbing, who is an incredible businessman, who's who's help alongside Kevin built thirty five ventures, who's doing big ship and the media and sports tech sports media technology industry, my brother Rich, I need you to call all these lotion brands or being there. We are talking about Katie Pick the lotion brand that y'all want to endorse and partner with, and go partner with them,

because that would be an incredible story. If Kevin just comes out of the next game incredibly lowhit um, you know, with skin looking impeccable, I love to see it. So I hope that Cake can capitalize on this because that was fucking bad. And in other news, Kuzma sweatshirt. I I love cools Man. That's that's you know, that's that's a little bro from from Flint, Michigan, which is right

up the highway from sacking On, Michigan. Uh. I think cous has definitely lost his Flint ways because I don't know anybody in Flint other than Cool's wearing that goddamn sweater. But hey, man, if you if you can pull it off, which I guess he poured it off. I don't know. Some people will say he didn't pull it off. Some people and say, no, he didn't. If you could pull it off and it worked for you, go for it.

But that sweater, Nah, No, that wasn't it. I mean, some of these office these guys be wearing and they're like runway shoots through the tunnel. He fucking pathetic. I actually liked the way Cool's dress. I think couls puts put shipped together. And I mean, I guess if you're if if your goal is to break the internet, he did that. Uh but yeah, that's the sweaters and fucking

no for me. My mom texts me. She said, if he just wrapped it, if he just wrapped wrapped the sleeves around his body, he got himself a straight jacket. It's like, I mean, I couldn't I couldn't believe Cools where that sweater. By the way, I can't even believe someone made that sweater. But the fact that he had the confidence to put it on, kudos two Cools man.

But sweater fucking sucked. In my opinion, I am extremely excited to welcome this next guest to the Draymond Green Show guy who I've been a fan of since since high school. Man watching this man run off a million screens. That dude, I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna read this bio because it's it's so long and I wouldn't be

doing him any justice if I didn't read this. And McDonald's All American at Cave Spring High School and Royan No Virginia score forty three points as a senior in the in the Virginia High School League three A state championship victory, which was a record until Matt mcclum beating by score on forty seven to a championship. He said, a CC records for most points score most a CC, turning the point score during this time that Duke total point score, which was later beat by Tyler Harris bro

Duke's all time leader score. Just saying a whole bunch considering the history of that program as we all know, uh, top of the top. When when talking men's college basketball consensus National Player of the Year in two thousand and six, which I take a little offense to this consensus because I was National Player of the Year, but definitely wasn't consensus.

Uh two time rupp Award winner, two time a CC Player of the Year, and he had his number retired at Duke A. Cameron Indoor February fourth, two thousand seventeen. Went on to be drafted eleventh overall by the Orlando Magic in the two thousand and six NBA Drafts. Seven seasons with the Magic, four seasons with the Clippers, two with the seventy Sixers, two with the Pelicans, and he

finished it off with the Dallas Mavericks. A career forty one point five percent three point shooter, seventeen thought time, and he made the playoffs in his first thirteen seasons. I am honored to have the great, the latest media personality that we're all enjoying watching. J J was something that welcome to the show, Draymond. What a pleasure to be to be on this show, especially early on. I got the early ask, this is this is a big deal.

I should add a couple of things to my bio, and I appreciate you uh espousing all of my uh my records and whatnot. I was also McDonald's game m v P. I like to point that out. I like to point that out, and you forgot two very somewhat forgettable months that I spent in Milwaukee in between the Magic and the Clippers. In between the Magic and the Clippers, actually enjoyed Milwaukee, the city just from a basketball perspective,

wasn't my best. It wasn't my best. Heavily respect that j J asked as someone who I view as a pioneer in this space. Um, we're talking um current athletes doing a podcast. I think you've been doing one now for what the last four or five years throughout the well the last four or five years of your career, and that's kind of where I'm at. Um. You know, I think I'll go another five six years and then

kind of start transitioning out. Um, but what advice do you have for myself and other players that's trying to break into this space and stay consistent while continuing to play at a high level. It's a great question because I know that you previously tried to do a podcast and you did a few episodes, and that's the first piece of advice. If you're gonna do this and do it right, you have to be consistent. Even prior to us launching Old Man in the three last summer in August,

in the middle of the bubble. I had done three seasons with The Ringer, and I only did about twenty five or thirty episodes a year, and unless it was a big big name, the viewership, the listenership, the ad revenue, all that stuff, it wasn't consistent. The only time it was consistent previously was when I launched the first one, which was with Yahoo. I did forty I think forty one episodes and it was forty one straight weeks, and I saw the audience grow, I saw the community grow.

I made a little money doing that, but it's hard as an NBA player, And we have Duncan Robinson under our umbrella, our our podcast umbrella, and look he's He was in the middle of the slump and was like, I need to take two weeks off. By all means, basketball is first, and I said that. I said that the very first episode back in February of two thousand and sixteen. I said, look, if this ever interferes with basketball,

I'm out. I'm out. Basketball is my number one priority, and I expect that it will be the same for you. But the consistency is key. I appreciate that because for me, like you said, doing it the first time that I tried it, You're right, Like I did it one week and then I'm like, my schedule don't really work this week, I can't really fit. Then maybe we can go next week, and before you know it, it's been one episode in

a month. And then you know, after that month, we try to come back around and do it again, and and then, and the consistency wasn't there. But I also, I mean that had to be maybe five four or five years ago. Now. I also wasn't in a place in my career where I truly understood the ind and outs of the NBA, the in and out of the schedule, um, how to how to really manage my time. I didn't understand any of that, and so it ended up being

an absolute struggle. And I told myself, I said I would not get back in the podcast game until I am ready to manage to schedule, until I am ready to fully commit to it. Because in my mind, I'm like, I sucked this up once. Like you don't get many chances to suck something up and still have an opportunity to do it later, and so I sucked this up once.

I have to get it right this time. So to that point, I I really experienced this in the last fifteen sixteen months with old Man in the three because at one point when we first launched, we you know, we were starting from zero. We had to we had to take we couldn't take our RSS feed. I didn't know the only I p on the previous iteration and JJ Briddick podcast, So we were starting with a subscriber base of zero, an audience of zero. Um, so we

were pumping out a ton of content. Originally, we were doing like two weeks an episode for the first three or four months. Once the season started, we went back to once a week, and I feel like you get into a rhythm and generally speaking, we record on Monday or Tuesday, we pump it out Wednesday or Thursday, and you you do all the prep work, which takes time.

You know, I do all the prep work. I do all the creative, the writing, all that stuff that takes time, and that could take anywhere from an hour to three hours, depending on the guests. And then you record the episode, which is an hour. You have your team edited, they do the breakout videos, all that stuff, and then you don't have to worry about it for four or five days, decreases in priority, and then Sunday night, Sunday night, You're like, all right, I gotta get back on this ship. I

gotta figure that. All right, we got this person this week. Let me start prepping. I carry my phone around me with me. Obviously. If I have an idea for the guest, I pump it in my notes and then I do all my prep work, usually day of. To be honest with you, I like having everything fresh in my mind. Yeah, the other piece of advice, And I don't really need to give you this piece of advice, but I thought of this as you were talking. You know, one of the reasons I started this was because I wanted to

control the narrative. And you've seen You've seen your guy Katie start his own podcast, and he's been big on controlling the narrative around him. I wanted to control my own narrative. But I also wanted to to learn how to own my own voice. And that is a skill. That is a skill, and it's not a skill that

happens immediately. I think you're at the place in your career and in your life where you've done that any of time I've seen you in a press conference or on appearance with Turner, Like, I know who Draymond is, You're You're consistent with who you are, and I think the audience always responds to someone owning their voice. I appreciate that. That's, you know, That's something that I've been big on is just wanted to stay myself and not do anything that kind of drags me away from that.

So I definitely appreciate that. But speaking in the lights of we're just speaking on basketball. Obviously, you and I both know. It's funny. We were in practice today and and one of the coaches came with to me and he's like, hey man, it just dawned him. He's like, do you realize everyone in the NBA can hit the through today? Like literally every guy in the league. Because shooting is at such a premium that if you watch any guys workouts, they're shooting, they're shooting three pointers. Um,

I mean you have Dwight Howard. I watched one of Dwight Howard's workouts. It literally consisted of mostly three point shots, and I'm not sure if I agree with that. I mean, obviously Dwight's a Hall of famers. So no disrespect to Dwight, but that's the league that we're in. It it's so three point heavy. But for yourself, who is one of the greatest um three point shooters that we've seen in this league? Who do you rank in your top five

three point shooters to come through this league? That's easy, that's easy. Steph is first, respect that everybody else is way down the list. To me, uh, in no particular order that the other four it's Clay, Kyle Corver, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller. To me, those are the guys because when we talk about great shooters, Yeah, I don't want to disparage the previous iteration of three point shooters in the eighties or the nineties, but those guys were not shooting

the shots we take today. Those guys were not taking the difficult shots we were taking, nor were they shooting it at the volume. So, yes, a guy like Tim Leger great shoot or he shot I think fifty five point six percent one year to lead the but he wasn't shooting the shots Clay was shooting. He's not shooting the shots of Kyle Korver was shooting. And that's not a knock on Tim, that's it was a different game and the game is involved, and now we put such

a premium on generating three point looks. It's not just about the quality of the look. It's the it's the it's the volume of looks. If if Steph Curry and and Tom Happitstrow always talks about this. I think steps up to like fifteen, almost fifteen a game this year. Tom's Tom has always been like Steph needs to shoot twenty a game because because you do the math on that, those those twenty shots equal about twenty seven points on

average on average. Yeah. No, I think it's funny because I was talking to Bob Myers a couple of weeks ago and he was telling me like, no, Steps, three point shots are getting up. But all of my analytical guys tell me every time I asked him like coming threes or stuff, that it. Yeah, he saw my analytical guys. They tell me, well, he's getting up there, but we need him at twenty a game like number one, twenty

three point shots a game that is brutal on the body. Man. Yes, he's already putting he's already putting in enough work to get his shot off, to get his clips off absolutely, and and that's a lot of work on the body. But I think it is very interesting of where we see the league going. I remember going back to my man first to three years four years of the league. Everybody's like they're jump shooting team. You can never win that way, you can never win shot the jump shots there.

And within one year we went from like taking the most threes to like sixteenth in the league because everybody's like, oh man, we need to say more threes. So it's been very interesting to see that growth in the game. But something you just said, um really hit home with me and and comparing the older generation to the newer generation and how the game actually worked, because like you see all the numbers of Steph pass Sin Reggie Miller and going to pass reality so that he's done it

in like half the amount of games. And it's gonna be interesting because, as you just said, I and I agree step the way he goes about things. Um, I don't wanna I don't want to disrespect any other shooter as as someone who's not a shooter myself, but I think Steff is like in a farly different category than anyone else just because of the difficulty of shots. He's shooting him off the drill, but he's shooting him off

to catch, he's shooting him off the spot. He's shooting him now, he's shoot him from thirty feet out each and every time he shoots the ball. But when you look at a guy like Trey Young, Um, a guy like Donovan Mitchell, these guys who's coming too the league taking threes at this rate from the very beginning of their career, They're gonna pass steps number in five Hunter games. And yet I don't think that's necessarily going to tell the story of Steph being the greatest shooter alive and

the greatest shooter ever. But yeah, he changed the game. Like, what's your take going net, Well, so I was going to bring this up when you were talking earlier, just about your first few years and them saying jump shooting

teams can't win. When I look at the evolution of the three point shot, the two teams I think of that sort of started this where the Phoenix Suns with Steve Bash and Quentin Richardson, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, and then my Orlando Magic teams, which by accident we ended up starting Rochard and Turk together because Tony Patty heard his shoulder in training camp. So we were four out,

one in with Dwight. If you look at the numbers of those teams, those teams would be at the bottom of the league right now in three point attempts, bottom of the league. To your point about Trey and Donovan and and just really the next generation of players, I'm fifteenth right now in three pointers made all time. Right in ten years, I'll be outside the top fifty. Probably I'm being realistic on that. I mean, it's the volume

is is so different now. The other thing I would say about Steph to your point about him, the shots he takes. My bag generally was coming to my right shoulder, left right plant. You know this, Everything was run on the left side, me coming left right plant, shooting over that shoulder, away from the defense so they couldn't bother my shot, all right? Then alpha d hose and and sort of step up pick and rolls a one or

two dribble, pull up three. That was my bag, right, Kyle Corby, a lot of the same right Clay, a lot of the same Reggie, a lot of the same Ray Allen to a degree, had some off the dribble bounce, but at the end of his career when he was shooting a lot of threes, a lot of the same Steph, it's everywhere. The only guy, the only guy that shoots it even remotely like stuff. And I'm not saying one's

better than the other, that he's that far behind. Stuff is Dame name is the only guy to me that in some way emulates what Staff does from the three point line. I agree on it's interesting that you say you in five, seven, five or seven years you'll you will be at fifty. And that's interesting because it's actually gonna be some guys hirer than you that we wouldn't consider a shooter, Like, yeah, he can hit the three, but we wouldn't really consider him a shooter. And that's

just kind of where the game is going. But you speak of your Orlando Magic team with you, Turke and char Leuis, Ryan Anderson end up coming along on that team and stretching the floor, Um, Jamir Nelson, guys that could really fill it up from out side, but like

you said, would be at the bottom today. But looking back on your career, and obviously we had some battles, uh in your clipper days, we're kind of right there in that space of man, who's next up in the West, right, like it's the Clippers are next up in the West. Then you had us coming about like we we we want to have something to say about that, And in those years we really didn't. You guys think, y'all, y'all beat us in the Game seven one year, and y'all

and y'all really had it going. But what was your favorite team uh to play with it that you felt like had the best chance to win the championship. Obviously y'all went to the finals with Orlando, But I feel like some of those Clipper teams, we all thought we'll have a legit chance I win a championship. I would say this when I look back at my career, the years I'm most fond of were my Clipper days for a number of reasons. Number one, because we were good.

Number two because it really was the type of basketball that I like, which is you had five guys pretty much at all times on the floor that complemented each other. It's what makes your team so great. It's what makes the Warriors teams so great. The players, the pieces they complement each other, they fit together and our and our guys, especially those first two years when we had Matt, we really fit together. There was there was a and in intelligence required to play against us. We were we were

very smart. We had wink wink nod nods on every a t O, on every after free throw play, we had a counter to every play. Those were that that's fun. Basketball to me is just you know, using your brain a little bit too. Honestly, though, the team I thought was gonna win was actually the year after we made the finals in Orlando, the two thousand ten team. So we we finished the regular season thirty three and eight. We swept the first two rounds of the playoffs were

forty one and eight. Going to the conference finals. Boston had had a little bit of a rough stretch during the regular season with some injuries, so we had home court in the conference finals and they win the first two games and we're playing catch up the rest of the way, were losing game six. But that team, to me, that was a lost opportunity. You look back, you know you won't have this because you've won, but I'm sure you'll look back and say, oh, we we maybe let

let that one get away. Maybe it was six team for you or something like that. You know that that team. But I look back and especially those first two years before you guys had evolved into the two thousand sixteen team and then the two thousand seventeen team with Kevin that first year, those first two years with the Clippers, those were golden opportunities. We were as good as anybody

in basketball. I mean, we're we're coming up against you guys, and like I said, everybody's kind of attagging y'all as the next young guys up to go win championships with with yourself and CP DeAndre Blake. UM. I'm now which sure which year Matt Barnes was on there, but I think that was early on the first two years Matt was on those teams. Yep. Absolutely, I mean I think y'all definitely had just as good a chance as anyone. UM, And I think for me two thousand and sixteen, You're right.

I'll always beat myself up about that one, and not because we lost or not because um like I got suspended or or the way it went down. Like, I don't have any regrets about any of that stuff. But the regret I do have is is how we had to go to an opportunity to not only be seventy three and uh, but when the NBA Finals put together the absolute best year in NBA history and we let that one far by the way side, so that won't

be so. Doc had this comment, and I want to touch a little bit on that two thousand and sixteen finals because Doc had this comment after you guys won in fifteen that winning a championship requires a little bit of luck, and of course you got Look, you guys are prideful. I think Clay was probably the most outspoken about that, um, which he always is. You know, I said something the other day on ESPN about you guys not not having the hardest schedule. Clay Clay reacted to that.

I'm like, Clay, I'm your biggest fan, dude, chilling bluck out. But anyways, when you look back at that sixteen series, what Doc was saying was there's certain things that have to go in your favor. Uh. You know, I look at that the sixer series when we lost to the Raptors and Kauai Shop. Yes, that's an unlucky bounce of all unlucky bounces. After you look at that sixteen series, you guys are up three one, Lebron steps over you, you react, You can call that unlucky. You get suspended,

bo gets banged up, you could call that unlucky. Lebron and Kyrie for three straight games play out of their fucking minds. Lebron makes one of the greatest blocks defensive plays in NBA history. So those are all things that went in their favor against you guys, and you lose by basically a buzzer beater, right, So but he made it with forty seconds or whatever it was on the clock, Kyrie,

Kyrie step back. So there's so much there's so many things that are required to go in your favor, and when you start adding up a bunch of things in a seven game series, shit happens and you may lose. And that that to me, was what kept happening with our Clippers teams. You know, you know, fourteen, we're playing game five at Okay. See, I think we're up nine

or eleven with four minutes to go. We make some boat like Chris made three plays I've never seen him make before, you know, six fill and he threw the ball and they didn't call a file yes and then yes, So that he makes that play. Then he fouls Westbrook on a three. I don't I don't know why we're fouling Westbrook on the three. And then we have a chance. We're down one, we have a chance to win, and he turns the ball over. Have you ever seen CP

turn the ball over? Doesn't make those mistakes. He doesn't make those mistakes, you know. Then fifteen, we're up three one, we're at home. We're up nineteen in the second half. Josh Smith hit hits three threes in the fourth quarter. Corey Brewer hits two threes in the fourth quarter. We lose that game, okay, sixteen Uh, I've talked about this before. I don't know that we would have beat you guys. But Steph hurts his knee. He's a little banged up.

There's this window right before we play I think his Game four, right before we play Game four, where we're like, oh, we got a shot, let's win this game, let's take care of business, go home, play the Warriors. Within ten minutes in the second half, Blake tears his quad tendon and CP breaks his wrist. The following year, in the first round, Blake, we're up to one against Utah. Blake tears, his plate and his foot like those are the type of ship you can't overcome if you want to win

a championship. So there's there is an element of whatever you want to call it, but there is an element of luck and and certainly in our league, you have to have a Steph Curry. You have to have a Lebron James and Kevin Durant to Kawhi Leonard to win. But you also have to have some things go in your favor in a playoff series. No, you know, coaches

are used to always say that to us. Actually it's like when Marsh come around, you gotta be clicking on all cylinders and you always need a little bit of luck. Like you said, that's health, that's a bounce block, awhile in that that is definitely all of those things. So I actually agree. I think we're looking back on and now we can all look back on it and say, um, we can all look back on it and say Doc

was one. Right, I think at that time for us where it's coming like, oh it's Doc, It's coming from the Clippers. We we hateed like we all hate each other, right, Like it's this uh North Cow versus So Cow. Thing that's coming together. It's the it's the Steph Chris Paul thing at the time, you know where it's like, who's

us Steph coming up to surpass Chris Paul. Chris Paul kind of raised stuff with the whole North Carolina ties, and so I think once you look at all of that back then it's like, oh, Harris doc slightness, right, like Harris Doc taking a shot at us. But looking back on it, no one accurate. You definitely need a little bit of luck and some things to go your way.

But j J, you have You've had the opportunity to play with two incredible well probably more, but two for short, incredible big man and Dwight Howard, who is one of Hall of Famer who was actually left off that uh that NBA seventy five lists, which I thought was fucking ridiculous because if you're leaving him off that list, you're leaving him off the list because of his last five years, right, But you can't be leaving him off that list due to what he did in those first eleven years and

in the last five years, whoop he do He hasn't been the player that he was, but he won a fucking championships. So he really stamped that resume. Regardless of how you want to talk about it or say, oh, well he wasn't the start of that team or whatever, he fucking won a championship. He contributed that championship after essentially reviving his whole career, having to revive, you know,

just I mean really revived. He was buying, buying, buying into a role he had that wasn't his role for his first left in years, and that that took a few seasons to get there, but he bought into that role. So I said this on my podcast, I dude, that was the most egregious error. And and I'm there's a bunch of guys you can make an argument for. I could go down the list, and I know Clay's been joking around wearing seventy seven practice or whatever, but like that's not in a front to Clay or you, or

Tracy McGrady or Bins or anybody else. But Dwight was the guy that should have been on that list. And and I always say this narrative matters so much. And there's there's two things that happened in Dwight's career. You just mentioned one, which is starting sort of in Houston, there was a narrative around him as a teammate, as a leader, UM. And then the second thing is he was the best player in two thousand eleven. He was second an m VP that your Derrick Rose got it.

But if by any advanced metric, Dwight was the best player in the league that year, but be because the Bulls had this incredible turnaround. Derek sort of came out of nowhere that year. And and I'm not discrediting Derek's MVP by any means, but had Dwight won the m v P that year, you couldn't have left him off the list. Couldn't have couldn't have no, And that is a fact. But when you say that, out of the guys you play with, UM, Dwight and Joel who I

also think as an incredible young bid. Not quite Hall of Famer yet because he has to continue to step that stamp that resume and and add on to it Um, but definitely has Hall of Fame potential, has the game. But with those guys too, two totally different bigs though, like Dwight's catching lives and and at that time in Orlando, like you would dump the ball into the post to Dwite and you know he jump pugs, but not as heavy as as Joel like. I mean, the whole entire

offense is ran around Joel in Philly. But what what were your like, your experience a plan with those two guys too, I think different experiences, but a little similar. I think the similarity between the two is that in different ways, by the way, but the similarity is they could anchor a top five defense when they were on the floor. You know Dwight and his prime and certainly Joel now he can anchor a top five defense. You can put four smart players around them and you can

have a top five defense. Offensively, very different. And even though we did throw the ball to to Dwight a lot, a lot of his strength was based on his the way he moved, his quickness, his explosiveness. That's not really Joel's game. Joel can certainly is certainly nimble. I would describe him as agile and nimble. But Joel's skill at his size, I mean, you could probably name two or three guys in NBA history at his size that can

do the things he does. And so it was, it was, it was a very different experience playing with both, but it was it was a very rewarding experience because you know, as you know, playing against me, like I thrived when I had a five to play two man with and and you know, I started running maybe my fourth year. My fourth year, I started running that elbow action on the left side with Dwight. You know where I'm gonna get a d H l If the big steps up,

I'm throwing the pocket pass. If the big lays back, I gotta pull up Jay going to my right hand. And I had that with Joel. We evolved it with Joel. I'm not saying I was the first to do this, but that inverted screening roll. So you know when everybody started top locking me and I'm not, you're not you're

not coming off to your right hand. Well, my guy's got his back turn Dwight's gut can't see me, or Joel's guy can't see me, and I would just gently walk my guy into into Joel's defense under and he's so smart. He he had like this innate sense because you know, his backs turned to me. He had this innate sense when he turned of when I was being top block and he'd come off and get a dunk. I also ran that a little bit with with Ben, but obviously that's more of a one two inverted action,

which which a lot of teams run. But that inverted big pick and roll was was sort of the the evolution. And truthfully, Dwight probably couldn't have done that. He didn't have He didn't have the ball skills and the dribbling skills to really pull that off. Um, but those are I go down the list of the best players I played with, and Dwight and Joel are at or near the top of the list. No, that's that's that's beautiful. And for all our listeners out there, Um, we are

headed into Thanksgiving in a couple of days. J J has a houseful coming tomorrow, so we have to let j J go. I can sit here and talk basketball with you all day. As as an incredible um basketball mind that you are, but also as as the incredible radio TV personality that you have become, I think it's beautiful. You are extremely intellectual, you know the game in and out, and and your resume obviously speaks for yourself. So I'll

let you out of here on this one. Um, tough, tough do guys fear Lebron more on the court, or are they fearing going up against you on TV? Because you're obviously fucking trending for killing people. Man, What's what's more to fear here? In j J. I think this takes the conversation full circle, actually, and that's just that's owning your voice, owning your truth. And you know, my

truth is based upon two things, my experience. So obviously my truth is very personal, but it's also based on observation. And there are objective facts that you cannot deny. There are objective facts that you cannot deny. So I try to sort of fit in those facts where I can. I'm not trying to go after anybody, but if I disagree with something, I'll let it be known. I'll let it be known Dre before before I get off a lot of people. By the way, I know you've got

a lot of basketball letift in you. But a lot of people have said to me, you and Draymond need to do the version of the Manning Brothers Monday Night Football when Draymond's retired. So just keep that in mind. In five years or six years, whatever you're done, all right, I'll definitely keep that in mind, man, I I know today you going as Stephen A. Uh, who I love man, He's yeah, I said this up. So I recorded, uh the intro to our podcast for this week, and we

we touched on a little. Tommy brought it up and I said, this man like Stephen A, I think is one of, if not the most talented person on television, sports, politics, entertainment. He has a real talent. It has been so entertaining for me and and truthfully like enjoyable to sit across the table from him. You have a I've done Stephen

for a long time. We all have. When you have a conversation with him off air, as soon as we hear that ten second mark, he goes to the character and it's it's a tornado and it is it is so beautiful to watch and it's it's it's it's just it's very rewarding to be on screen with him and to be able to chat hoops with him. Now, that's

that's beautiful. I I think I've had a similar experience in working with Chuck, like just suck fucking sits there and text he sits there and talk shit like I mean, it's it's you know the game's going on, you're kind of sitting in the bat I'm sitting there watching, taking notes, uh, dripping stuff down to my phone, sending stuff to the producer, getting ready for my segment. Chuck's over here fucking watching

the dating show. And I'm like, this fucking guy sitting here watching the dating show and meanwhile he's going to go out here we're gonna talk basketball, and he knows everything that's going on. It's like this uncanny ability that they have and extremely um honored to to work alongside a guy like that, as you're working alongside Stephen Ay. But as far as that, um and I'll let you out of here. As far as that many brother Eli and Payton obviously, I did that a few days or

last week, and I mean it was incredible. Number One, I'm fucking sitting on TV talking to Peyton Manny, Payton and Eli Manny, like, are you fucking kidding me? That? That in itself was incredible for me. But I watched the game last night. I watched uh funk Who's playing? Whoever was playing last night? I watched that game. I watched I watched the Painton Elive UH cast. I didn't. I didn't really, I didn't even watch the normal broadcast.

That's so entertaining. Uh. And I think you're on something, j J. I would love to sit there talk sports with you. Uh, talk that actual game with you, but also just talking sports. I think it's beautiful. I think we have two totally different perspectives. Whereas yours coming from more of I'm more of a playmaker. UM do all the dirty work. You're coming off lighting everybody else. So I think our perspectives we'll match. And I would be honored to sit in a in a room with with

a goat like yourself and talk basketball. Man. We'll make it happen. We'll make it happening with j J. We we. I can't thank you enough for coming on this week's episode of The Draymond Green Show. UM, I am looking forward to coming on old Man in the three. We'll talk some more ship, we'll talk a bunch of basketball, but I'm looking forward to it. Thanks a lot for coming on, j J. Yeah, this is fun. Thanks appreciated, man.

Thank you. As we know, I've had my fair share throughout the course of my career over these last nine years now ten and the NBA This segment will be called tech Support. I am extremely excited about this segment because at some one as particular as I am every year, I would go through and like I would write my text down, I'd be like, yeah, I deserve this one. I definitely deserved this one, and I got my money's

worth this one. On the other hand, I didn't quite deserve this one, and this one should probably be rescinded. I've actually had these conversations with the League office before of my entire list of text like yeah, this one, this is exactly what happened, and I'm the thing about it. I'm always gonna be honest. I take pride in my text and I actually enjoy getting and when I'm trying

to get them. And then I also am honest when that I didn't quite deserve that tech But this is tech support And in honor of Russ not knowing that he got at Tech. First of all, Russ, you fucking squared up with the guy or whoever he was squaring up with. How the hell did Russ now know he got at Tech? Like that's I mean, I guess there

was a lot going on. But in honor a Russ not knowing he got a tech We will kick off the tech Supports segment of The Draymond Green Show, and I think it will get a little interesting and a little spicy depending on some of these Texas as we embark on this new journey of tech support. Okay, Dre for this one. This took place January, so last season. It comes after you were bringing the ball up, trying to get get the ball to James Wiseman in the post.

But if a turnover, whose fault is it? Yours are his? And you come back down the court when you guys are backing up on defense, you're yelling at him. It seems like you're yelling at at Wiseman and then all of a sudden, your teeth up. Walk us through this play. Here we are as you can see. Um, it's sixty fifty five second quarter with a minute in ten seconds to go, And how I am trying to make a post feed to James Wiseman that if you hold your man off, if he's sitting on the top side, you

hold him off. He goes for that. Still, you guys, dune and you're more than capable of holding him. Offer. So I'm telling him asn't running back down the court, hold your position, and he says something back. I can't really recall what he's saying back. But then as he said something back, I then yell. I yelled something back to him, and as you can see right here, I'm coming back. We're retreating back on defense and the official at the top of the screen blows his whistle and

give me a tack. And man, I mean I was bout for number one. You're trailing to play. There's no way you can hear. I'm the first person on the court. I turned the ball over. There's no way you can really make out what I'm truly saying, which is why you got it completely wrong, because it's it's too far away from you. It's it definitely. It clearly wasn't enough to get attacked, as we know, but uh, I was.

I was pretty fustrated by this one because you know, we're playing a New York Knicks team who's having having a pretty good year. UM, and you know it's it's an important game for us, and yet I get thrown out of the game right before halftime inadvertently. UM. It's pretty frustrating because for me personally, I am going to get my fair share attacks. I am going to at times give you reasons to to give me a TECH or two, and so in this situation, I just like

to earn the tech. I like to earn the injection. And like I said, you know, and you know, to the league's credit, and in their defense, they reached out immediately said it was a mistake. They were re sending the fund, They're resending check and so no harm there, no harm, no file there. But to get kicked out of the game and missed the rest of that game,

which can alter an entire season. I thought there should have been something there where they can say, yeah, that was and then inverting whistle of mistake and I can stay in the game. But and yet you know that rule hasn't been changed. So whatever, remember that. I'll come at that game. I do not remember the outcome of the game. I'm a technical foul. You guys were down

by five, lost the game four, which is crazy. By the way, I can make up fifteen points and a half, and not that I'm gonna score the fifteen points, but I can definitely make up those fifteen points. So that was pretty frustrating. Meanwhile, maybe if we don't lose that game. We're not in the playing game, then we make the playoffs or whatever. You never know, So just saying, you know,

it's a little frustrating. As we as we continue on through the tech support journey, UM, wrapping up the wrapping up the tech support, I will be giving you a rating on a scale of one to ten of the bullshit meter, or whether I actually deserved the tech or not. And in honor of kicking this segment off, in honor of the league, admitting that it was a mistake and me getting my money back and getting that that individual tech rescinded, this has to be a ten on the

on on the bullshit of dometer. Um, it's of ten. By the way, there will be ones that if this is a ten, there will be ones that's probably tilting towards the negative side of the scale because I went extremely over the top to get it, and that's okay. But in honor of tech support, this is one of ten on the bullshit the Dometer of texts, because we all know I didn't deserve this one. There's been a bunch of chatter about UM break out seasons, about guys

who have taken into another level. I actually have the honor of playing with a guy who I think is having a breakout season most improved player of worthy season, um, And and it's a huge part to our success that we're having uh my rook Jordan Pool, um who I as I said, I think it's definitely the most improved player in this league with the strides that he's made UM from his rookie year to now. It's incredible, and

you know, I think it's I find it funny. Jordan Number one, Jordan Pool is one of the hardest working guys that I've played with. The kid lives in the gym, always working on this game. Since the time that he came here to go to the State. He's been a worker and works his asshole. So it's no surprise to me that he's having the success that he's having because when you work the way he worked, you're going to

have success. I mean, that's just you know, that's what it boils down to, and so you got you gotta put the work in. I am thrilled at the success that he's having, and I must say, Um, you know, I can talk about the hard work. I can try to pinpoint one specific game where I'm like that guy, he has it. Well, you've always known you can score the ball, You've always known how he can shoot the ball,

and he had that. But one thing that Jordan's did that showed me he's gonna be all right in this league actually happened in training camp of his rookie year, wearing camp and he's talking shipped to everybody. He's talking and me, personally, that's what I do. I talk ship, So I don't mind, like talk as much as you want. At some point, I would probably say something to hurt your feelers and stop you from talking ship, but by

all means say whatever the hell you want to say. Well, other guys in the league, they guys don't really take too well to young guys talking ship, and I can it called. You know, my fresh my rookie year, I came into the league talking ship to everyone, and guys hated me. I mean, Katie Russ like that Thunder team was. They really hated young guys coming and talking. And I used to talk crazy to everybody just whatever. That's just

how I grew up. Jordan came into camp talking ship to everybody, and I remember one day him and Glenn Robinson, the third who's Also I went to that other school down the way they got into it, and and like, all the guys are coming to me. This is what two thousand and nineteen were, twenty season, and all these guys are coming to me, like, tell him to shut up. His young guys always got something to say, and they're asking me to tell him to shut up. I'm like,

I'm not gonna tell him to shut up. If you can't hand him talking ship, that's on you. Like y'all shut him up. At that moment though, the way he was getting under guy skin, I appreciated that. And you know, you couple that with the hard work that he puts in and the mind of skill that he has, and there is a recipe for a guy who's going to

be successful in this league. And so more so than any basketball moment for me, uh, knowing that Jordan's kind of had it inside of him and what it takes, it was more so that moment of him getting under everyone's skin and all the guys piste off because he's a young guy. Um he's because he's a young guy talking ship to them and and and you know, if he's not playing well, then you just tell him shut up. Figure it out, like you you you're not doing whatever,

blah blah blah. But he was playing well and letting them hear about it. And so for me, that was the moment where I'm like, oh, like he I like him, Like he got some shipped to him, and I think in order to be great, you have to have some shipped to you. And so I am extremely thrilled to see his growth since coming into this league. It's in outible. I look forward to him hosting that Most Improved Player of trophy at the end of this season because he's

having that type of year. And as I said before, you put the work in, you get the results, and he pushed the work in, which means he'll continue to get better as this season go along and he'll hoist that trophy at the end of the year. And that is a rap on this episode of The Draymond Green Show. Second episode, will continue to go, will continue to get better, and we'll continue to talk that ship. From this week of The Draymond Green Show, I'm out peace and Livervid livid, Livid, livid,