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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.

Our next guest is a guy who got a I got a serious question acts and we'll get into that later. But more importantly, three time NBA champion as a player, NBA champion as a coach said my congratulations.

Uh, Sam, I am the man. Oh gee, Sam can s thank you. Welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me. Man, absolutely man, this is an honor for me to have you on here. You know I have the utmost respect for you. I try to always make sure I show that respect and show that love when I see you, and that will never change. And I appreciate you for the love that you've shown me since the time that I met you.

You know what I'm saying.

That's such your first ssembleague game. Y'all beat me.

Damn monking the hoop. But he can't shoot, I said, he can hoop. I appreciate it.

As you can hoop.

Absolutely absolutely. But take me to the beginning of the journey. Obviously you grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, But take me to the to the beginning of the journey. As an NBA player, You get drafted to a team with Hakeem Olajuwan. What was that experience like going on as a by the way, as a point guard, then going to play with the dream What was that experience like coming right out of college and then going and play with the Houston Rockets.

It was so no, it was so ironic, man that you watched them for so many years. Now you his teammate, and I remember the first day of training camps. I didn't see Dreaming all summer. You know, back to in the nineties, you know, guys used training camp to get in shape. Training camp was a whole month, so you had a whole time to get in shape.

So I've never.

Seen came large around the whole summer. So when training camp, the first day of training camp, he was out of shape. He was out of shape. And when preseason came, man, I was like, wow, like, man, he ain't that good. You know what I'm saying, like, he ain't that good? Not knowing that the vettermans juice training camp, get their body going and get their mind together. So our first

You go hard, you go hard, you know, go hard.

The head coach has something for you later on, absolutely so, and I never understand, Like, man, I asked him.

And they like, what's going on? Man?

Like after the fourth game we like oh and four getting blown out by twenty points. Every preseason game blown out? I was like, what's going on? And it was so simple. It wasn't even thought process tall me said. He said, some they don't send these stats. She's to New York. And I was like, what did you talk about New York for? Like not knowing the league office is in New York, you know, not not having a clue like then understand. So I asked Kenny Samith that that's a gift.

What are you talking about?

Man, says sam the popcorn ain't popping yet, that she's not real yet. So fast forward, Open the night. Now we owe in eight in preseason. We had eight preseason games. Back in the day we owe and eight our average loss was about like sixteen seventeen points. Jesus Chris and man, when the lights came on Open the night. I could not believe what I was witness. We played the Golden

He was in every category.

Man, that he leading every category, block, steals, everything. And I asked him after the game, I said, dream, where was that in preseason? And took a small piece? He said, took a small piece. He said, it doesn't count. Discounts the popcorn selling right now, it's ready, It's time to go.

And I run only we want eighteen to no.

Now we went twenty to twenty one and oh start the season low on eight in pre season. When twenty one OH start the season, it's crazy.

So that right there for you as a rookie, you see that, that fuck your mind.

I'm gone. I was like this, the baddest dude in the game of basketball. Do you understand Michael Jordan has retired.

Now he's gone? Yep?

I said, just the baddest dude in basketball offensively and defensively, because he was that protector. One day I was I was guarding someone. I think that Jos Stockton. He beat me off to dribble and I reached in and found them and he lost his mind.

Some what are you doing?

Don't fail him? Look up?

Looked up there and I look up in the stands up in the ceiling. It was the all time shot block leader.

I'll block it. Don't fail him, trust me, I'll be there. Man. It was.

It was a pleasure just to be his teenage because I know that if I got beat off the dribber, he's coming.

He may not block it, but a're gonna make you miss absolute of the time.

Absolutely, So I've been doing, uh, had honor of working with Jet, Yeah, Chuck shack on amazing guys. And we had these conversations and Jet in particular, and Jet say, I'm telling you dramon Nicola Jokic has absolutely nothing on Haquem Lodge one. And I got a problem with that. I got a problem with that is I have a hard time believing that. And I know Dream was great, I get it and all of that, But to say Joker not even in the same category with Dream, It's crazy to me.

How do you feel about that?

I think Joker is see Dream is the beast both ways.

On the court.

You know, Dream, like I said, Dream was in the top ten at every category in the NBA, steals, rebounds, scoring, So Joko I think he would score on Dream, but Dream will weigh him down because the constant pressure. You know, he's not backing Dream down under the basket, you know what I'm saying. That's not happening. That's not happening. And on the other end of the court, Joker don't have a chance, He don't have a he don't have a chance.

He bringed that out against David Robinson in the Western Conference Final. We never saw it. He never did that the whole season. He bringed that.

Thing out and then Western Conference Finals and David Robson. We was like, and it blew everybody mind, like what the fuck was that? And David Robson was the MVP. It was the MVP.

That man was forty points and like fourteen b bounds, like he had like six seven block shots a game.

That's right.

He was killing.

He was killing like like we still had three on one breaks and then like our numbers and we just bring it back out and wave them down. Come on, come on, get them, get him, throw it to the big fellow. He always said, keep it simple, kiss, keep it simple, keep this simple, stupid, keep his simple.

Stamp, Sam, keep it simple. Sound come on, And that's how it was with man Kny. You know what I'm saying.

He was always Dream, was always our outlet in the game of basketball, and he was very demanding.

He's very demanding. Now, he wasn't easy to play with, but he was. He was good. He was real good.

So when you look at the all time list of centers, where does he fit on that list?

You got god that I have seen. Yeah, he's right after He's right after Kareem. I haven't seen Wilt and Bill Russell. Yes, well i've seen I've seen, uh, the captain, Kareemandul Jabal, I've seen the captain play. I think he's right behind him. I think Shaq was right behind Dream.

That hurts my feelings.

A Shock is my all time favorite player in history, so I can't roll with you on that, but I respect, I respect.

He'd be shocked in the final.

Shock was young man shot. You know Shock got more rings though, Yeah, yeah, you know Shack that.

Don't get check all of it.

Check is everything you expect him to be, like retrapped Shack and and that young Shack was bad Shack too. Now you know when Shaq was running that court, get that thing out the boards and push that thing full court.

You had to get out of his way. You're not taking a charge, can shock.

Don't it?

So you just let them, you know, dun't the ball and break the back Shack made a purpose of breaking every backboard back in the day. It was just amazing to see how big and ad y'all, y'all, y'all remember Shack when he was like with the Lakers and he was big and just going to cross the lane. And you know, I remember Shack when he's running the court, you know, leading the break, throwing no look past this, you know, having fun laughing out there. But when Shaq

I have a question for you.

I've wondered just since I was a child, and I know your your basketball knowledge, your encyclopedia, if you will on the NBA game goes further back than.

Mine, and so I have to ask you this question.

When you did the big balls Dad, for those of you that don't know, you should go check check check you too.

Where did you get that? Because I remember when I watched you do it, I'm like.

Yo, that's not it's crazy, this is crazy. I watched the movie Major League, Major League Too, and it was I forgot the Asian left fielder name.

He caught a he jumped up.

Somebody hit the home run and he jumped up on the fence and caught the ball and he just like came down with the big I like that. I'm still there. I'm stealing that. I'm stealing that. It was the old movie, this movie in the eighties. I'm still that. So I started making big shots as a young player. I said, I got something fall my first time I did it. It was like, man, what is he doing out there? I mean Bill Walton rested peace. Bill Walker shout out tall.

Guy be something awfully big.

So that was the biggest That's my bad, Billboter investing piece man.

And so initially you start doing it and you're not getting fined by them. At what point did they didn't start finding you for doing it?

Well, David starting, you know, called me into his office and he said, we got to stop that. I said, she mean, like what you mean? He was like that, we can't have our kids. You know doing that ship. Sam, you know if you need David s like I know him. Back in the day, David was he was a hard guy. He was a hard guy, was a smart guy. He was a hard guy. And he was like, we can't have that. You can't have kids making a big play doing that ship. You'd be doing it in the games.

So I stopped.

So when I got big, when I seen Kobe bryand yes, when I seen when I seen jelly Bean, do I.

Say, Oh, I made it. I made it.

Now I see Lebron do it? I said, really in the big time? Now you know what I'm saying. So it's it's the thing that I I like, Damn, I created that while created it for the basketball part of it.

But I got off a movie. Oh I got that off a movie.

That's fine, man, When you did that, by the way, to get that off a movie and planning is one thing I don't think people realize sometimes though you like you can hide this planning. You get in these moments and then you'd like totally forget the plan. I'll never forget. My first game winner came against the Heat uh Bron d Wade Bosh. It was my second year in the league. No, it's my first year. Because Jared Jack was on our team.

I'm like too little? Are you crazy? Right?

And so we going back and forth at it. Then I hit the game winning I'm like, oh, I'm about to swat man. I started running like.

Like, oh my god, to how to war with doll to still get to it?

Right? You gotta get to it.

It's crazy to me, but I want to go towards the end of your career.

Two thousand and eight, you get a chance, you play with the Boston Celtics, get a chance to win your third championship.

What was it like being on that team?

But also, and I want to ask about this guy in particular because I haven't had the chance to sit down and talk basketball with him before, but I pray and I hope too, because I think he's one of the best basketball minds I've ever witnessed. What was it like being later in your career and being a vet to a young guy like Rayjon Rondo and with those Boston Celtics.

Oh man, my first practice I came after trade deadline and my first practice is watching the kid.

It's the second year. His leadership quality.

Man, his thought process of the game at basketball was unbelievable, Like, it's unbelievable. And Kevin, Paul, Ray, PJ. Brown, myself, we was hard on him. It was very hard on him because I said, man, and he was like he didn't want to hear a lot of things. But when I be personally, I talked Tom, he understood it. I said, listen, man, you have you got an opportunity that a lot of players would never have. You playing with three first ballot

Just take it.

But when they lead, You're going to realize what you lost. Fast forward. They gone to Brooklyn. He's there by himself. He called me old school. He called me old school. I mean call me over old school. He was fight old school. God damn, I said, it's different throwing the ball of Ray Allen three ball, throwing the ball of Paul three ball, throwing making a pack.

Past the kid. Yet fifteen foot jump shot. That's great.

Now you got I don't know who you have on his team, but he he had them kind of guys on his team. And now his Assistan numbers are going down. It's still numbers going down, and he's not winning big as he won. And think about he won fifty five games, like four straight years back then fifty five, thirty.

Nine to forty.

You know how to drop ball drop you know you got seventy You went sixty five, and you're like, damn, we are forty seven right.

Now, forty seven.

Guess what one of the years I was there was out We won fifteen games in twenty twenty.

And I don't care how many times how much you win. That's a mental toll right there.

It's brutal.

That's driving to the game. You know when you win it seven y'all want seventy plus games. You're driving to the game, you know you're gonna win. You know, music blasting. You know what I'm saying, when you ride to the game, you might.

Damn this can be hard.

I ain't know this gonna be hard, but I don't want to think it.

But you know, realistically, like.

Man, the night they had a day off, we come off from back to back, start putting all that, and we lost the double old time fact. You know what I'm saying. All that takes a toll on your mind mentally, man. And but back to Rondo, Man, he was here a bad boy. I think he should be a Hall of Fame with me personally agree. Man, that's my god, Oh my god. Man, Like he was tough. You know that battles him and dop had Man, it was just doc what.

You're trying to coach him. He was a thorough brand.

I was just trying to coach sometimes doctor thorm All the practice. I'm thirty eight, thirty nine years old at this time. I know when he got got thrown. All the practice. Now I got a practice. Now, you know what I'm saying, I'm trying over green. You're gonna do you want to show by this bike all night? I don't want to. You know what I'm saying, Chill out. You know, one day I want to go get him. It's come on door, he come back, He come back one day, Doc Life, don't.

Go get him. Let them go. I'm gonna coach Door. They going back and forth, but they had a great relationship because.

Doe was a young basketball player and he's gonna be good. I told everybody he's gonna be good. He's gonna be good, but he can't shoot. That said, it don't matter. It don't matter if you can't shoot, he gonna get you twelve points and thirteen UH assists and eight rebouty. He was just down there a triple double, especially when the Big Three when they left. Yeah, he was really doing this thing. Absolutely, two time All Star when they left, yep, doing his name.

Absolutely.

I want to switch gears a little bit, and you kind of just went into it a little bit. But see coaching career and I want to start. I want to move backwards. I want to start where you are today. As I said, not on camera, but congratulations uh NBA champion again. But I want to actually one in particular. You just want to coach. I mean, you just want a championship. Joe Missoula to head coach. You've coached with Doc Rivers Dot much older now, Joe, if I'm not mistaken,

Where with Philly.

Uh have been rolling with Doc and that Doc is your guy, and then you decide to go over there ends up from championship really fast. But I think my question is what were some of the differences that you had to adjust to and being with Doc for so long, who's an older coach, establishedment around and then now you go on to a young Joe Missoula where obviously you got respect for him as the head coach, but you also have.

Been around way longer. Your knowledge of the NBA game goes way deep.

What was that adjustment like and some of the differences and similarities in those two It was.

It was easy. Doc is an Alpha Doll.

You know what I'm saying, Doc want do things the way he's.

Gonna do them because he has success. But Doc also take advice.

You know sometimes when I say, man, that's it, chill out, and I'm here, chill out.

Just like that. They had an enough you know, you beat him up too much.

But guys that I know for the fact that Doc has helped with their basketball career. Montrez Hrld best best ship ever, do lou Will absolutely best ship ever with Doc.

You know what I'm saying.

DeAndre Jordan's, Blake Griffin. These guys had their best careers with Doc. Paul Perce their best career with Doc. You know what I'm saying. When I got with Joe Miziula, Joe was so young, Joe didn't really didn't have the knowledge of how to deal with the NBA ball player, didn't have the knowledge and the.

Ex and o's how to prepare his team to play. He got that. He's got that.

Man, He's our locker room, our coaches locked rooms.

I know, it's like no other locker room. You know what I'm saying.

We we do things a little different in Boston. You know, we did things a little different. As a coaching staff. Everyone has their opinion. Our coach sta have as an opinion, and but it's joe ultimate decision and we roll with it. We roll with it. If I don't like it, I just don't like it. But I'm not gonna say I told you so. You know what I'm saying.

We wrong with it. On to your next game. People just don't know Joe, Missoula.

It just don't know. That's they just don't know. Excellent coaching, great dude, great person. Man. He allows me to be me. That allows me to be me, you know what I'm saying. But Joe is so much younger than me, and I just like man. My whole thing with him is enjoy this process.

Enjoy it, man, it's a hell of a ride.

Enjoy We work hard, we do things different, we prepare hard, and we get the most out of our ball club. He does a great job getting the most ball club. He's not a big yeller, He's just the states. Facts, face facts. Y'all want to win a championship. Let's go try to win a championship. Just what y'all said, y'all wanted to dude, Let's go win a championship. All right, but you can't be bullshitting ten games and fifteen nights. Let's win out ten. Let's try win out ten. Let's

Y'all came back.

I was kicked out that game. I watched TV.

Okay, y'all came back. Steph made some crazy shots.

You know.

We was up.

Big came back and.

We can man as staff said, we had to say, we didn't mother fuck him.

You know what I'm saying.

Next day you go to the Sacramento. We knew that they was gonna be in trouble, so I guts. We knew we gave one away. We gave a game away. We didn't give it away. Y'all took it. As Joe Banzool liked to put it, No, you don't give games away.

They took it.

We ain't letting Sacramento take it from us. Went down there. J T didn't play and we beat the Brakes. That's how the game of basketball goes. It's so unpredictable, you know what I'm saying. But we put forth the effinite energy.

Man. But George been great with me.

He's been you know, he wants me to get ahead coach of y'all batter than anyone.

You know what I'm saying. He thinks I deserve it. But you know, when the.

Time comes out, be ready. You know what I'm saying, I'm not giving up. I still love this. I love to see guys like shit. I worked with Shade when he first came to the league and Tys Maxie when the whole NBA say he can't shoot, and I was like, what the fuck are they looking at? What are they looking at? A guy with that great rotation on his shot and can't shoot. Gotta be crazy, gotta be crazy. They just need the reps game reps. NBA reps his rookie ear. We didn't give him game reps because Ben

One day. He thought I was crazy. Do you think so? Ge? I said, trust me, I see it. I told John Wall to Brandley Bell.

I told Shay when I told Shae that's Jay that, he was like, come on, you call me Pop, Come on, Pop, Seriously, I say, you can be one of the baddest guys in the NBA because we haven't seen a guard like that.

Searlo Littsteron was six for seven, but searl Liftson didn't score like him. That's fine.

I had Sharlotfinster in his second game MVA with the Clippers, but Sean was a shay had a shade. Has the ability to score from three point line. He said, three level score as I put it, absolutely three points mid range. You know, I told him one time they said He told me, Man, they don't want to shoot the mid range shot in Oklahoma.

I was like, if you're lell them people to take the best thing.

You do and your game away from you, crazy, it's the best thing you got right now, you're fifteen foot pull up jump shot. He's six for seven shooting against a six foot one guy. All that guy can do is hope you miss. He ain't gonna affect it. And he's all pro two years run out for MVP. You know what I'm saying, his Scott's limits for these for that guy.

Man, absolutely, And I want to ask you some questions about you as a head coach. But before I asked that question, like I said, you just coach lost his Celsis to a championship. And I got a lot of love for JT. It's my young dog, it's my little brother. And I would oftentimes all years speak on JT and how.

The MVP thresholder and all these things. They kind of move on him.

The post move all the time.

It's crazy.

All the dame say, oh, you got to be winning, you gotta be winning, and then it's like, oh, you won too much, Like so you ain't want championship, but you've won too much, so you gotta do something else now, and like the goalpost just continues to move on him. And I've spoken about that, uh, but this year he

That when they're double team in him.

In the NBA Finals, he got eleven assists in the first home right, you know, making the play like literally getting to the rim or getting to the paint and realized the guy and already stepped up. Don't even look at the rim. I'm making the next play. And it was so beautiful to watch. Can you talk to me what that was like? Up close and personal and watching him this year and kind of how he approached this year, which ultimately led to him winning his first championship.

He don't get the credit that I think he's to get because he sacrificed so much. You have thirty points last year, Yes, he did thirty points, and gods who have his thirty points want to come back. That next year averaged thirty one points. But for us to win a championship, we added Pazingis Drew Holliday, so we added better offensive players on our ball club. He sacrificed so much.

He gave.

A five points, which is a lot of points. That's a lot of points. Gave it up, that's eight shots. Gave it up for the betterment for our ball club. We didn't need him to score thirty points some knights. We need him to score forty points. Yeah, some nights, but how our team is made up, we don't need no one to score forty points. If that night happens, you scored forty points, we're gonna ride it. The thing that people don't unders sing about Jason Tatum, he wants

I love it, I love it, I love it.

I didn't know him that much got to Boston. I started working with him. He's been great to me, great to Joe. He's our leader. He's the guy who Game two in the finals, he just picked Dallas apart and Drew Holliday was out leading score You know, Madge might have beat on that. Say Drew Holliday gonna be leading scoring games. How the money they made.

On that, you know what I'm saying.

But he did. He did so much for our ball club, free balance ball. You got to be bound more, you have to be more and conscious effort.

He did it. Yep.

You gotta stop selling them for three Sometimes you got so much left in this game. His game. He's so young, he's tent six. This game is still growing. He's still growing. He need thirty gad mm hm. And he's so good with his teammates that he's so good with his teammates.

Man this year, you know. And Pasenkas, like.

I said today, j J T may be our know one option, JB may be number two or one A, one B, whatever you want to put it. But we got the best third option in the NBA. Pacenkas the best third option. You know what I'm saying. He gets you can't play a small guy on him because he's gonna kill a smart individual. You put a big on in the drop of COVERG, he's gonna shoot the lights off the ball. You know what I'm saying, He's gonna protect the remb So I make up with. Our team

This year. I told Joe, We're gonna have some O G music. You know what I'm saying. One day of practice, one day. You know what I'm saying.

One day.

You know what I'm saying. One day.

It may not happen, but I'm try right.

But it was a joy.

But like like you said, they moved a goal post on this guy so so much.

Man.

It's but when he say he don't care, he really don't. He just want to win. You see what y'all did. He wants that feeling. It wants to be three times four time NBA champion. And I think we have the team that we stay healthless everything. We both know that we got opportunity to do that. We only talk about the repeat. We just want to enjoy the process. It's the process.

You know what I'm saying. Y'all wanted seventy two games up? Man? Now what now what? You know what I'm saying.

We just want to enjoy the process of this whole situation and him being who is man like in Olympics right now. Ah, they're gonna win. Hopefully they win. Go they better win.

Go Ship. You know, like you said, he had a great year.

Han't a great yet, man, and that whole team deserves It's not It's not all about Jason Table. He'll tell you this is a team. We are a team, a good basketball team.

I want to talk more about before we get out of here, not only your journey through coaching, but your journey through what has been multiple times to me as it seems your name coming up in these head coach searchers, because like I said, I don't think you can get an argument out of anybody, if many people, if anybody, of where you stand as assistant coaches in the NBA, who you are, who you are as a player. Your

Your name just just keep coming up because.

These guys don't be as proven as you as players or coaches, not as respected, but for some reason, still not a head coach. What's it been like on these journeys, on in these interviews, meeting with these owners, meeting with these general managers, and then ultimately falling short every time it comes.

Run it's crazy, man like, Hmmm, it's been Uh, it's a hard question to answer. You know what I'm saying. I have the experience, Uh, I know what buttons to push get the best out of players?

Can I be hard on plus?

Absolutely ask the guys that I have coached, cannot be hard on them. But being hard on them don't mean you get the best production out of don't mean you get the best production out of You got to know someone off the court to really understand them. I mean, I was watching the Last Dance and I've seen Phil Jackson and Dennis Robin. They just bobbing, and Dennis say, he took the time to know who I am off this court. He took the time to find out who

It's on the court.

I'm gonna be who I am to find out who I am.

So Phil knew the right buttons to push with.

Dennis Robin, who was back then, was was a wild boy, you know what I'm saying. But when he came to work, he came to work, you know what I'm saying. And for ast me not getting a head coaching job, I'm not giving up.

I'm not.

I loved I loved it. Shit, I love the game of basketball. You can ask anybody in Boston. When I come to work, I never have a bad day, even though I might have a bad moment before come into the office.

No, we all have families, you know what I'm saying.

I might have a bad moment, but I don't bring my bad moments to that basketball court my players because I know my plans might have a bad day.

So if I'm miserable, not miserable.

If I'm not in a right state of mind, and they're not the right state of mind, were not getting nothing to accomplished. So I always have a great attitude around the facility. I go around every day. I speak to everybody. With our traveling party, the trainers, the equipment manager. I speak to everybody. You know what's up, y'all. You got anybody that staff, because I understand that means something.

You know what I'm saying.

Because I'm coming to a new staff and they don't they believe it, didn't know, they don't know who I am. You know they heard and all say, oh, man, that's Sam's a great dude. I know it's the game of basketball. I know how to push and get the best out of players.

You know what I'm saying.

I'm just not I'm not a yes me man, and that may that may hurt me.

You know what I'm saying.

I'm not a guy who I'm want to put this. I'm a company man. But I'm gonna do things the way I think it should be done.

Absolutely.

You know, I'm not gonna you earn playing time. You don't just get playing time. I think not somebody that's afraid of that aspect of me. You know what I'm saying, I'm just.

Not giving up coaching this dad. I love it too much. You know what I'm saying.

I got the respect of the players, and I know how to get the best out of players.

Before we go.

When when when you look at your journey, I truly in my heart believe that you will be a head coach, Yes, Lee, But when you look at your journey, and as you know, the drastic difference is where teams can lie. A team can be super young with no experience all Detroit Pistons, and you could have a team that's getting older with a ton of experience all Los Angeles Lakers go toen

On either side of the hill. Because yeah, in.

Twenty twenty two, they said we were on a cusp, they said we were on the wrong side of the hill. We won a championship right so on the customers on the cush Or would you prefer a team like that.

To where you can help push them to that championship right away?

They don't matter, they don't matter.

I've been I coached the Washington Wizards my first my first five years in coaching.

We won my first year I think.

Eighteen games, next year twenty games, third year twenty four games, and my fifth year that we won forty seven games and made it to playoff, one of the first founds. So I've been through every aspect of coaching. I've seen the good. I've seen the bad. I seen the real bad.

You know what I'm saying.

And as a coach it humbled me. I just screw as an individual I seen. I'll tell your story. John Wall his rookie year, he lost eight games from high school to college two years. You came up fer one day. I enough, we was in Cleveland. We five like twenty five bad. Yeah, he knocked on my door, said it's going up. John Wall in tears, in tears, trying. He lost twenty five games. It ain't desembled yet. He knows twenty five games. It ain't dissembled yet. He asked me, say, O,

Man.

I say, it's gonna be bad next year too. But we gotta grow. You gotta keep working. You gotta keep working. If you don't, if you stop working with this, it's gonna get real, real bad. You don't want to pick in the draft now, you never want pick in the draft. And the city of DC thinks that you're going to bring a talent to this city, but the owners did. I didn't think that. I didn't think that. I knew that he needed more pieces. And I'm telling you the

And smoked a joint. Man, give it a break.

But John needed a guy who's a flat out shooter. Yeah.

Yes.

When I seen Clay Thompson shoot the basketball, I'm in my the lake Wade Flip, I said.

Flip, that's the guy.

That's what we need him right there, that's what John Wall needs.

We drafted y'all. Vestley. M hmm, you know you know that.

But Neil, I think Bestly was a decent, bolved player. He snow Klay Thompson, John Walney is shooting, so I saw that's the best thing about I know what a team needs. I've been abound thirty two years. Four champion I want four championships, been but six conference seven conference finals. So I know what winning looks like.

But I also know what losing look like. Absolutely, I know what loser looked like.

I'm gonna get the person that a team personnelity who This ain't gonna be good. This is not gonna be good. But I'm not gonna stop teaching. It's all about teaching any player. I would work with this man. Oh, you know what the hell he's talking about. All I'm looking for is a chance to show the world that I can coach you in ball club. That's all I respect, simple, I respect the man. I appreciate you, Maks.

Looking forward to this, chopping it up with you. You always kind, I said, you always kept it real with me. I can't thank you enough.

Thanks for that jersey jersey, Yes.

Sir, I forgot as soon as we got I gotta get it to him, I gotta get it, got it, I got it, sir, and I appreciate you. And by the way, good luck and for for whatever it's worth, you're fucking head coach in my book.

I know it's gonna happen for you.

Keep going, they can't.

Why stop now?

It's too much fun. You guys do your thing. It's too much fun.

Absolutely. That's a rite from resort world here in Vegas.

Peace.

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