Dray's Return To Practice, Harden/Embiid + a Charles Barkley Interview

fan duel sports book makes it easy. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show. This is our fifteenth episode, and we have another incredible guess uh, someone who I am very fond of. And it's funny that I say that, because two years ago I probably would have told you so's one of my least favorite people.

But I've had the opportunity to work with him, uh, to spend some time around him, and the way he treats people, the way he just makes every environment he's a part of just a welcome and welcome me environment is one of the most incredible things to me. Hall of Fame basketball player Hall of fame analysts and like I said, more importantly, just an overall great person. So this week, on this episode, we will have the great Sir Charles Barkley, and as I said, I am extremely

honored to have a conversation with him. So so you all can hear some of the things that I get from him when I'm in studio, and most of the times I'm just sitting there listening, like it's not even that I'm asking a question to get these things. It's just like sitting there listening because that's the type of

person he is. He seen me coming in and he just wants to help, and I think it's amazing, incredible person, probably one of the most misunderstood people around simply because of his job, and he's not afraid to say whatever it is that he's thinking, and I think that's a very powerful thing. So I am looking forward to you all hearing and sharing in this great episode and great

interview with Charles Barkley that we will have. But before that, you know, it's we have to go around the association first, and starting with me returning, I am feeling great. I practiced two days ago with the team, which was incredible. There was like this whole thing of like, oh he did contact all the non contact drills, but not contact drills. The reality is there weren't any contact drills in the practice. So I did the whole practice, So give me my credibility,

I'll take that. And there was a there was a drill where I was like semi contact and like not um real contacts, just kind like a defensive breakdown. And I did do that drill, although I wasn't taking any hits or anything like that. But nonetheless, and more importantly, that is a step for me in the right direction

that I am thankful and happy about. And I was just continuing to ramp up, continuing to give my conditioning back, continue to give my field back, and most importantly, uh continuing to to to regain all of my explosiveness, which

I am very pleased with where it is today. And as as someone who historically and I mean it's a hereditary thing, has pretty skinny calves, my calves have grown due to all the word that I've put in, So I am very happy about that because that was something I used to be a little self conscious about it as a little kid, like oh man, you got no calf muscles and so I got a calf muscle now, so I'm excited about that. So take that one to

the bank. But and moving forward, Um, James Harden and Joel and be after two games, there's been all this talk about they're the best due on the NBA and like all of these things, and don't get me wrong, they are incredible. And I'm not just going off these two games because the reality is they could have had two great games, which they did. They also could have

had two terrible games which didn't happen. And if they had two terrible games, where we're going to see those two terrible games and say, oh man, they don't work together, or were we gonna see those two terrible games and say, all right, they just need a little time to figure it out. I think it would be the ladder. So let's not overreact to the two great games, however, and saying that they look good, Um, they look really good. And you know, I think, what is it, twenty games

left in the season. It's great to see James Harden playing at the level that everyone has grown accustomed to him playing. It's funny because after the trade, I was looking at his stats and he was acting like ten and eight, I want to say, and everybody's like, oh my god, he's having a terrible year and down year and out of shape. And I'm just sitting there looking at like this dude ten and eight, like that bar has been set so high that ten and eight everyone's saying,

this guy's having a terrible season. And so it's you know, it's good to see him out there having fun and and and planning to up to the level that that we've all grown the customer and playing. It's it's only better for the league. It's also I've been actually enjoyed

washing like and B has been dominant all season. I think I think we all know that and we all can agree on that, but it just feels like these last two games he's been even more dominant and without the ball is much And that's a very very very powerful thing because when you can end up being more dominant and how to all less, I mean, that's incredible because what that does is it going to allow everyone else around him to get in their flow and to find their rhythm easy. And we know he can just

pick it up just like that. And so man, I think the first I'm like I said, I'm not going to overreact over two games. UM, but I think the two games that they have put together have been impressive, and you know, we'll see how that continues coming together. UM. You know that the Eastern Conference is deep, deeper than it's ever been. Uh. I think the two the two leading candidates for for m v P are are out of the Eastern Conference right now, with Marta Rosen and

Joe l and B and so. And then obviously you you still have your honest um in the Eastern Conference. You still have Jimmy Butler. He still got Katie coming back from Andrew. You still got Kyrie, who's starting to play more games, and they're seems it seems that he may be able to play home games sometimes in the

near future. UM. I think that's very interesting. I still, for the life of me, can't understand why, Um, someone can go to the arena and watch the game but not be vaccinated, but Kyrie can't play the game that the unvaccinated person is watching. I just can't seem to understand that for the life of me. And I mean, you you have places losing like they're losing mass mandates. Um, they're dropping vaccine mandates and yet there's still this thing

there doesn't make much sense to me. I honestly think it's one of the things that has made people question different things around COVID nineteen this entire time. It's rules like that that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, Like we're gonna fill up a stadium with twenty people and all, by the way, all twenty of those people could possibly not be vaccinated. But Kyrie Irvan can't play if he's unvaccinated.

So maybe someone will help me figure it out one out um at some point, But I just I'm yet to wrap my head around what's the whole deal with that. But maybe it'll all be dropped sometime soon, because that's the route it seemed like it's moving. So until then, we'll see. But there's been a lot of injury news

coming out. Like I said myself, Katie, we heard will be back probably sometime within the next week, and so that that's great, And then obviously a d is out for another four to five weeks, which leads us into the Lakers slump um. If I'm not mistaken, I think they've won four of their last twenty games, and at the time I think there were maybe four for fifth in the East, and then I mean in the West, and now there are nine in the West. I have

to speak on the booze last night. Um, I thought that was insane to be quite honest, from from a team, from from an organization that's has so much success, to start booing when things aren't going right. I that's kind of whack to me. And then everyone gets upset if a player comes out and say, oh, we'll forget them fans or like they're not with us anyway, then everyone seems to get upset enough tight about it. But as as athletes were just supposed to sit back and be like, oh,

they're booing us. Like quite frankly, most of those people in that arena, I don't know how it feels to get booed, and so I guess I can cut a little slack and just you're not understanding how it feels to get boomed by your own Now for me, I actually like it boo like when I come to Crypto Orania, like, boom me all you want. That's fun to me. The Cavs fans did it all weekend at All Star Weekend, like I enjoy it so but to get booed by

your own fans, like it's very distasteful and disgraceful. And I was shocked to see that, Like I mean, some boots rang out when when Bron threw the turnover where he tried to hook the pass around to Taylor Horton Tucker in the corner. I've seen Lebron make that past several times and it is an amazing past. Didn't completely yesterday, and the booze rang out. I thought that was pathetic.

I thought it was extremely pathetic. And like I said, I thought it was very distasteful from a fan base of an organization that has the most championships in the NBA, like like, let's not be so like like spoiled brats, Like it's okay to be spoiled, Like, yeah, you can spoiled. We all get spoiled by things at times at one point in our life for another. But let's not be brats.

And and that was about as braddy as something that I've seen, considering that this team just won the championship, not even afore two years ago, and now you're buoying, Like I thought, that was utterly ridiculous, and like I said, it was very distasteful. So I'm actually looking forward to seeing where the Lakers go from here, because you can go one of two ways. You can use that to band together and say it's us against the world, It's

us against all these other teams in the NBA. It's us against this fan but our fan base too, It's it's us against the world, and see if they can rally around that or do you continue to splinter and separate more because the reality is when you're losing at that rate, there's gonna be some splintery and there's gonna

be some separating. I mean, we saw that um DeAndre Jordan was cut a couple of days ago due to signing DJ Augustine, and you know, so you start to see moves like that, and like some of those things were expected to happen a little while ago. So I wasn't necessarily shocked by DeAndre Jordan being being cut, But I'm I'm very interested in and seeing can the Lakers pull this together and what happens from here. And like I always say, if there's anybody that can do it,

they got Lebron James. He's shown that he can do it. So I've told you all before, I'm never counting them out until they're out. They're not. They won't be counted out by me. I know how dangerous they will being trying to compete and win for win a championship. If all you gotta do is get in the playoffs, you're getting the playoffs. You gotta win four games. Then you gotta win four games again, and you gotta win four games again, and you do it one more time, you're

a champion. So that's an entirely different season. Like I said, I I refused as as someone who's competing against them and competing for the same thing. Everyone can say what they want. You can talk about their slump, you can talk about their age, you can talk about all of these things. But who won't be calling them out? It's me and who else won't be calling them out. It's a team that I am one of the leaders on.

No way we face them. We are facing the same Lakers that everyone thought we'd be facing when the season started, because they still have that that same talent is still on that team. Uh and that same pedigree, championship pedigree that they gotta on that team. It's all still there. So we'll be ready and maybe we'll see them. Maybe we won't, but whoever do, it won't be walking apart. I don't think so. I just can't foresee that happening.

So we'll see. But like I told you guys a little while ago, we're gonna get into the interview with Sir Charles Barkley. Man, I want to welcome my next guest, Hall of Famer UM, someone who I actually have the honor of calling a co worker UM today and a partner and crime uh, the incredible UM basketball player. But what I've said before, more importantly to me, I think he's an even better TV personality than he was basketball player.

And yet he's in the Hall of Fame for basketball, So that shows you how great he is at this. And I know the the Emmys have been rolling in in the award winner, but everything else will keep rolling in as far as Hall of Famer and TV as well. And I'm honored to how you as a guest, to Chucks, to Charles Barkley, what's happening, Thank you, thank you. Welcome to the team too. I man, you're gonna be great on TV for the next hundred years once you get

through playing basketball. I will tell you though, Hey, man, don't rush it. Like I tell people all the time, I don't care how much the test you have on television. There's nothing like playing basketball for a living, those big games and things like that. There's nothing like it. And you can always beat Charles Parker to kill O'Neal and Draymond Green for the rest of your life. But how you play until they dragged that damn jersey off of

your brother? Yes, sir, hey, I've heard you. I've heard you say that once before, and you know I've I've done some research before on j Lo and my fiance absolutely love j Low And one thing she said was when she did the Selina movie that that's what made her want to go into singing because she was an actress at first, but that but the thrill in that and the rush that she got from being on stage in that movie is what made her then going to singing. Is that similar to what you're saying as far as

TV and actually playing the game of basketball. Yeah, TV is fun. I mean, it's a great way to make a living. But ain't nothing like being in the moment, especially like you have so much control to bring for joy in their lives. But you think about this, like, no matter how bad ship going in life with somebody in Golden State, San Francisco, when the wars are doing good,

it brightens up their day. And to have that type of power to like, man, these people they can be having trouble at home, they be having trouble at work to joy you can bring them. That's nothing like that rush you know you because you know, you know people come up to you all the time. I said, I want to thank you for this, I want to thank you for this, and you're like, wow, man, even though it's a stupid basketball game, it does bring a lot

of joy to people. I mean, you have said you could be having on an awful day, but if your team is doing well, man, it's a really big deal. Like like there's been times I've had people come up to me who were like balant counsel who was sick and say, hey, I just wanna thank you for that ride we were on and things like that. So it's it's a really ain't nothing like. It ain't nothing like absolutely And and speaking of playing as long as I

could possibly play, I can't help but to ask. I know, since I started coming to Turner and working with you guys, I've been hearing even well before that Chuck's going to retire in about a year. Chuck's gonna retire in about two years. And I know you recently just came out and said you maybe got two more years and then that's it, Like it's it serious this time or or do you just kind of take a year by year

and and go on how you feel? Well, I think that you're gonna run into this when you get older, Dude. I've been doing this twenty one years. Like if I was doing it five years, I wouldn't be thinking about retiring. So I'm in year twenty one now, and then I got two more years left on my contract. And like I said, dude, I turned fifty nine last week, so I ain't no younger as dude, And I'm smart enough to know, and I'm not one of those guys who are worried about them if I died tomorrow, man, I

had a good run. But I do know I'm closer to death that I am living. And I'm gonna be a grandpa, hopefully in the next week to ten days. And I don't want to, like I said, and I can say, I want to die and Televion I'm gonna be doctor out in the world having fun. You know, I want to be Uh, I want to be a

great grandpa, I do. I want to be a great grandfather. Well, like I say, I'll be sixty years sixty one in two years and like, like I said, we don't know how this thing going in, but I want to be able to say, like, man, he wasn't working, he was traveling the world. He was having fun. He was golf and he was fishing. Man, I just saw charged. He was over in Italy. I saw him. They had a you know, I just saw him. He was over in Germany.

I just saw him. He was over in Spain. I mean because all the work that we have done, uh, you know, going back to driven us stupid basketball and the parks and things like that, Like you built yourself on amazing life yourself and me like, why not enjoy the back nine Because even though the work ain't hard and it's fun, you still have something to do all the time. That I tell me, I say, you still

have stuff to do all the time. And that's what Like if I could just show up at the studio and just do basketball, Like no, I have to X amount of interview was the day, you know, like you know, you have to go and pump up the show. That's really what's really funny. I tell this funny story. Not many not many people know this, and I'm probably gonna get in trouble telling you this. We actually hired Kobe Bryant at Turner at Turner, but he didn't want to

do all the other bullshit. This is one of the uh and I'm probably gonna get in trouble for saying this, but this is one of the like little things that bit that we kept with keeping. So he actually signed with us. But then when we started teping, like you know, I had to do a bunch of radio shows, like hey, I go on this shore Monday something. Hey from Thursday night t n T same thing on to the same thing on Wednesday. On Thursday, He's like, yeah, I don't

want to do all that stuff. He says, well, you have to promote the show, Kobe. So Kobe, actually it's so funny. And like I said, it's probably only ten people in the world know that that he actually signed with use and he's like, no, I'm not doing all that other but that he just like no. But it was funny because, like I say, we always have something to do. Yeah. So so wait, hold on, So Kobe signed and he was gonna be on on like just

one of the guys on the Thursday Night crew. Yeah, wow, yeah he has he had he had signed with US. David Leaving, my old boss, had signed them to a deal, and we were excited. We were really excited. And then he called me back like a week ten days later, somewhere in that time frame like, yeah, Kobe's not gonna come. We're like why because he don't want to do all the pr stuff. He don't want to go on radio shows and talk about basketball. I'm like, well, that's part

of the gig. I mean, people need to know, hey I'm on Thursday Night because if you noticed, when you do interviews, they're like, hey, welcome from TNT Thursday Night. Charles Barkley, same thing. You know, you talked to Kenny and Shack. They always because that's that's part of the promoting the show. So was funny though he didn't want to do all that and he never never came work for us. Wow, that's interesting. I think that's great for me too, because the reality is is, you know, you

see the job that you guys do. And unless you're tuned into the radio shows, are you catch one of your snippets when you break the internet? Uh, you don't. You don't really know anything past you're going up there on Thursday nights. And yeah, it seems to be so much more to the job than people even know. You know, you'll hear people say, oh, man, Chuck make all this money and he only worked one night a week, and from what you're saying, that's far from the truth. Well,

it is far from the truth. Well, because really the only time you really work is doing the playoffs. You like, work every day for two months. I mean, that's when it's hectic and there's a lot going on. But during the regular season you really only working one day a week. So that's when you really have to pop it up more like everybody's going watched the playoffs. Like with the playoffs starting, they are for the days and for the nights.

But during the regular season you have to pop it up all week, Like, hey, brol Trus Market Thursday night. I do that Monday, tueson wins and Thursday. Just but like, I mean, that's part of the gig. But you know, Kobe didn't want to do all that stuff and and

it never worked out. That's that's funny. I mean, as first, especially for someone as hard as working as Kobe, like now, I don't want to do all that, But then you think about it and the reality is for everything that he gave to the game of basketball, I can understand him saying like, no, that's too much for me, like

I don't I don't want to do that. And quite similar to what you're saying about being a great grandfather, I think at that point in his life, the most important thing for him then was being a great husband and and and being a great dad. And we saw that, you know, like we saw that with g and her basketball career. You see the videos with him at the mall with the baby girl and all of that. So I think that's a very interesting just a very interesting

thing overall. But you know, and uh, as a as a dad to a daughter, the bond you have, Like I've been in the NBA for thirty seven years and guys don't give a shit about sons, but they love their sons. They love their sons. But it's just something about a girl because she has she wrapped around her finger, and like I used to joke about my daughter all the time. I said, my daughter asked me, Dad, I want to go to out of Space. I was like, well, let me see if we can fit it in the budget.

There's no way you can tell your daughter no. Like I like to say, I've been in THEBA for thirty seven years to telling something like get the hell away from me. Man, No, you can't have that. You can't have that. But but I never heard one of my dude say, yeah, man, my daughter, I ain't no chance against her. Whatever she wants, I'm gonna give her. And then when I got my daughter, I was like, damn, I know what you mean. Now Yeah, I was like, no, man,

whatever I mean, she's just the most of it. Like it's crazy how they have so much control over you. And I say, I've been around this game and the guys to tell these sons all the time, man, leave me alone, man, and you're bugging the hell out of me. But when they come to their daughter like, no, whatever she wants, she's gonna get this. It's a really crazy dynamic. But it's true. No, it's as as a father of

two daughters, I definitely understand a son. I definitely understand that because I think for me, like everything with my son is, I want to give you all of the things that I had to go through without you having to go through those issues, but yet understanding that in order for you to become a man, I have to let you go through some of those issues and trying

to find that balance. I think it's always tough thing for me with him, but with mysels, You're right, it's just like they don't want half the stuff you can buy them, dogs and clothing and that they're they're good. Like your son, he wants every Sneaker, you want, every Jordan, you want, every Lebron And then they want to a

cell phone, then they want a car. I mean, like it's crazy, like and you know, and and the most difficult thing, and it's a very difficult thing trying to figure out how much to give them because you can't like and there's no right and wrong answer. I've seen crazy kids. I've seen kids go to jail. I've seen kids who don't speak to their parents. I've seen parents

who don't speak to their kids. I mean, it's such a crazy learning experience because yeah, nine and nine point nine per cent of the players grew up poor and now now your dad's rich. And I can't even imagine how crazy it is now with the money you guys make to day. I mean, I tell people all the time, dude, the most money I made in sixteen years was five million dollars a year. And I said, and that's after sixteen years I made five million. I said, you got

guys making twenty thirty and forty million. I can imagine like trying to Like, I can give my kid anything, but I'm not going to m And I don't know if there's a right way or a wrong way to do it, but man, it's it's it's it's really a tricky, slippery slope trying to figure out how much to give them because you said you can give them too much. I say, in my years, I've seen a bunch of

train wrecks. I've seen a bunch of great kids. I mean seeing good, bad, and ugly in my forty years, and the nb of guys trying to reach their kids. Like I said, I can't even imagine what it's like what you guys making twenty thirty million dollars a year. Because those kids could read, They're like my dad making thirty million dollars. Here, I can get anything I want, Like I said, my my my last year, I made five million dollars after sixteen years. And you know that

that that's a lot of money. But it ain't nothing compared. And bless you guys what y'all make today. But I couldn't imagine argue with my kids today. My daughter, I only got one wait, trying to figure, Like Dad, I just saw you made forty five million dollars and I asked you for this, this, and this, and you're gonna tell me no. I'm like, I couldn't imagine what it's like for kids today when they see how much money their parents making. It Like, Dad, you can get me

anything in the world, which is crazy. Yeah. Absolutely. And I remember when I was on set um your your daughter was getting ready to to get married, and you said, I told her, you can't either get the wedding or you get a down payment on the house, y'all pick, And she picked a wedding. Did she still get the down payment? Shop? You know, you know Joan, that was first of all. She went to Villa Novan, Columbia. I

thought she was smarter. I was like, Listen, you can get up a big chunk of money to start a house and start a college to wish your fun, and you can get old stupid wedding. But but a bunch of bunch of freeloaders come up and drink up all your alcohol and eat up all your food, and that money's gone. And then she says, Dad, I want a wedding. And I'm like, I thought she was smarter. But it's your wedding, as another one. You better hope this works.

I'm not doing this ship for your second wedding. You're gonna get on your second wedding. And you know, she stayed relatively in budget, but I wanted her And I can understand she wanted the weddings the first time getting married, But I do I wish a lot more people with like, no, you give me some money because I can't imagine what it's gonna be costing when kids go to school. Now. Yeah, I mean, I'm like, damn. I think one of the great travesties in our country is what we charge education.

I do. I think America is the greatest country in the world. You see all this stuff going on over in Ukraine and Russia, it's like, man, we're so lucky to be born in the United States. I mean, that's

so crazy. And the Ukrainians, I mean, bless them. But like what we charge kids to go to school today, it really makes me sick to my stomach because especially black kids and poor kids, they can't like they're eliminated probably from six to five to set up percent of the great colleges in this country right off the bat. And I don't think that's fair enough. I mean, because you know, these people can't be writing check for sevenified eighty thousand dollars or getting in debt that type of way.

So I wish did they would fix the schools. So if a kid wanted to go to let's say, Bill and Ova, I don't even know how much it calls to go to Michigan State, but I'm pretty sure it's a pretty pending you know, you know, sixty seventy thousand dollars, that's a lot of money, especially got three or four kids. Most people can't afford to get in that type of debt. And I wish we would fix that. I wish we

would fix that school system in this country. I think one of the biggest issues with it is number one, you go to four years of undergrad and then you get depending on there's maybe two or three undergrad degrees that you can get, and you actually get a great job coming right out of that. For all the other ones, you need to go get a masters, or you need to go get a second degree. Then that puts you another a hundred fifty or two hundred thousand dollars in debt.

And let's say, for instance, it as a teacher. You know, we we know how how little teachers are paid in America and how ridiculous their salaries are. So let's say it's a teacher, someone who's educating our children, which is important because they are our future. They're going to be in debt the rest of their life. They bring home sixty or seventy thousand dollars before taxes, and yet you're already starting off three hundred fifty four hundred thousand dollars

in debt. And then you have these kids coming from poor neighborhoods like myself, like yourself, and and and going into that debt. There's never a way out of it there, like, because in order to get these loans to actually go to college, you have Sally Man, all of these people charging you eighteen percent interest and and then and so you you spend the rest of your life in debt.

I actually never understood um, just the debt system and school system and how it actually worked in student loans until me and my fiance were years into dating and we got to talking about me, uh, like us finally paying off her student loans. And my fiance ran track at Michigan State. She was on partial scholarship, yet she still has student loan bills. And I was talking to her and and and She's saying, yeah, it's this amount. I've already been able to pay off this amount. And

I'm just like, yeah, exactly. I'm like, are you kidding me. I couldn't believe it, because for us, you get all the free books, you know, you get every everything is for free. So when I left school, I did leave in dead. I left with the five thousand dollar credit card building I had maxed out because I didn't have any more money. But that was it. I did not

understand that, and she helped me understand it. And I don't know, like, if you're not becoming a professional athlete or a lawyer or a doctor, like how can you ever or an entrepreneur, how can you ever paid those things off? The system is stack this this system is stacked against you. You know, listen, I'm very aware of racism. I grew up in Alabama. Racism exists, always has an unfortunately,

always will. But the biggest problem we have, one of the biggest problems we have in America, it's really just about economics. It's risk people screwing poor people because we put poor people in this situation one I'm one way, put them in the worst neighborhoods, we put them in the worst schools, and we say good luck being successful. And then you get some food on TV time and you just got to work harder. You're like, no, you

didn't work harder, brother, you just had an advantage. But you really unless you got to have great self esteem, great discipline, because I remember when I first saw it learning about debt as you're talking about now. You know, I don't want to call out any credit card companies. There's a couple of credit card comes to sending their credit cards to kids in college. You know, maybe one I might get a commercial one of these, So I don't want to press them out. But so they send

these credit cards, these kids. So they sent them to me and my friends, and we were just going up trade. We just go up and buying up everything, and we'd be patting you on the back. Man. We read the screwing these people. We're getting oval on these folks and said, we only got to pay this much. And then I was in college for three years. And then when I got to the NBA, when I started meeting like people knew how to handle money, Like what's just that stuff

you got going on? And said, well, we got these credit cards people getting on. These people were buying all this ship blah blah blah blah blah. He's say, you do know you on the penic address, right. I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. He says to us, They're sending those credit cards to poor people who needed and you just buy a bunch of stuff and you paid quote unquote the minimum, which not even

it's not even an interest in most cases. And then by the time you figure it out later, something that costs sevent hundred dollars, you paid like four thousand dollars for it. By the time you actually get it, like damn. And so That's the one of the reasons I try to teach my friends. I think, you man, do not get these credit cards. And if you get those credit cards, pay them off each month or pay them off as soon as possible. It's like sometimes you run into stuff.

Well you just need them stup, I said, but do not pay that damn minimum. But you're gonna pay two to three times whatever something calls because because they only send you a couple of cards in college. Like, wait a minute, why are they sending me credit cards in college? I ain't got no damn job, because that's part of the hustle they got going on, and you know it's us stuff like that. You know, I try to teach my friends, you know, do not be maxing out these

credit cards. Get get whatever you get and pay it off. Don't don't hold on, pay it off. And that's the type of about try to teach my homeboards in my small town in Alabama, because there's a lot of scams out there that black people don't know about, and poor white people in the same boat too, you know, they're in the same boat. I mean, that's goes back to

our said earlier. It's really about economics because But because I use this a knowledge when I'm speaking, you got to understand some about being pouring black and poor and white. The baseball analogy, there's three strikes in baseball, but if you're pouring poor in this country, you got two strikes against you. You're gonna be in a ship neighborhood. You're gonna be on a ship school and they're gonna say good luck. And like I said, me and you got

hit because we were really great at basketball. But most of the people ain't. They ain't got that type of talent. That's that don't mean negative about them, that's just a fact. And if you don't have that self discipline, you get yourself in death and you're gonna and it's a long

uphill climb for the rest of your life. Absolutely no. I think for me, um, even learning once I got to the NBA, my first year of filling taxes, my mother and I had done so much for my mother that first year that my business manager was like, hey, I think you should claim her on your taxes. At that point was the first time I ever learned, um how much money my mom made. And I always wonder

about this, especially in the neighborhoods like ours. Um one thing with me and my kids is I tried to teach them about money now, because you know, growing up in the neighborhoods that we grew up in. It's like I'd ask my mom, Hey, mom, how much did that cost enough? You know? Or um My, uh, can we can we afford to pay for that? And it's just no, Well why can't we afford to pay for that? Or um my, how much money you made? You got a roof over your head, don't you? And the reality is

exactly and I'm so appreciative of my mom. And you can ever be mad at your parents just for not knowing what they didn't know. You know, they didn't know anything about finances either. But the reality is if we don't learn to correct that, especially as a as a culture and really teach our our children about finances, good

battering different Now, why why they are still kids? We're going to continue this this dying cycle of our culture and not understanding financial literacy by hiding it, you know, you're trying to hide the fact like I think at that point, I think I found out my mom made seventeen thousand dollars a year and I'm sitting there like, are you kidding me? Like I remember growing up, my

mom was saying we're poor. Like I would ask for something to she be like, we're poor, and I'm like whatever, Like we had a roof over our head, shoes exactly and something like whatever. Until I saw that, I was like, wow,

But how do we ever change that? If we don't get comfortable enough with whether we're poor, middle class, rich, wealthy, if we never get comfortable enough with sharing that information with our children, well, I think the number one thing we gotta do is we've got to be like, Okay, guys, I'm not gonna be an enabler. I'm not just gonna give you money and let you blow it. Because once you start giving people money, they're never gonna stop. They're never gonna stop. You got to teach them how to

handle money. Because some people get in debt one time. That's understandable. But when you come around asking for money all the time, you've just becoming in the neighborhood. You know. I remember my mom, My mom, I got one pair of shoes to start the season because that's all she could afford, and she would bring them to the game and she would come to the locker room after the game and get them because they had to laugh for

me the whole season. And that's because because my mom was a made I live with my mom my grandmother. My mom wasn't made, and my grandmother worked in the meat factory, so I guarantee and neither one I made over twenty dollars. The reason three boys four boys total, actually because two of my brothers have passed away, and I couldn't imagine until like she's like, Charles, you're gonna get one press shoes. They gotta last you the whole season.

You can wear them to school. Wants the season over, but you're going have to wear raggedy shoes the school every day. But I'm gonna get you a brand new pair of shoes to start the season. It was so funny. She bought him to the game and she came. It was like knocked on the door. After the game. He's like, no, you're not wearing those shoes out the rest of the night. I used to joke about that later in life, but that was it. Those shoes have to laugh at me

the whole season. And you know, living in the projects, you know, my mom and Grandma did an amazing job, but literally in projects like you don't even know you for like we we ate our meals. We never were hungry. I mean it was tough living and sleeping in bunk beds growing up. But never even realize quote unquote we were pour until later in life, like, oh, we were poor. But my mother and grandmother they were both hard working ladies.

And like I said, I got very lucky because I could dribble a stupid basketball around and I was very fortunate to change the whole dynamic of my family. And hopefully I can keep sharing that. You know, one of the things I have a lot of work with historical black colleges, and I try to tell them, like, you got to learn how to handle money. No matter how much money you got, you got to learn how to handle it. If it's a million dollars, you got to

handle it. If it's seven thousand dollars, you gotta handle it. It is what it is, the situation you're in, that's your reality. And you're right one thing about being black, we got to do a much better job on teaching each other how to handle money. And also we got to make sure they were like as for us when it comes to crime. We have to tell black people, get the system is stacked against you criminally, you can't

break the law. Then say that system and racism, Like Gil, we we know they're systematic racism, and you know if you break the law, they're gonna put your ass in jail. But you don't get to break the law and come back and say it's systematic racism every black person in America. Tho was like, yeah, that's systematic racism. I know that I can't break the law, but I always laugh at these guys break the laws. Is what's the system? I'm like, no, Ship,

it's the system. Everybody knows the system is racist, systematic pystism. So you knew you couldn't do stupid stuff, and you sid went out of their stupid stuff. That's what pistes me all sometimes absolutely switching and switching gears just a little bit. Because we are talking about African Americans. UM, A question that I wanted to ask you because I've had a very similar not similar and necessarily what happened,

but similar in the outcome. Why is it as especially as African American men, because we are leaders, Um, why is it that we as African American men struggles so hard to move on from things and reunite back together. And the situations that I am talking about is my fallout with Kevin, which was a very public thing. Everyone knew about it, everyone questioned it bla blah. You're falling out with m J which was kind of a public thing,

but everyone knew about it. And and yeah, I think that is a very important relationship because number one, both of y'all are two guys that I grew up watching play, two guys that I grew up looking up to, but also um, two guys that are doing such positive things in our community. And I think one of our biggest issues in our community is he's doing positive over here, he's doing positive over there, She's doing it over here. But we never come together. We never come together and

do it all this one. Why why is it that we can't move past things like that as African American men and just allow it to keep moving forward. And as if that's not going to affect the ones coming up from behind us. Yeah, I think no one. When you're successful, you're stubborn mm hmm. So to be successful you have to have a go absolutely uh. And sometimes it's to a fault, but we all have you're successful, you have an ego, you're stubborn. That's part of what

makes you successful. That's, to me, is what it's really all about. Uh, it's so And first of all, it's always stupid too to be honest with you, like, yo man, I'm sorry, You're sorry. Let's keep it moving, let's get over this bullshit whatever it is. But people get stubborn, and you factor in the way we are in television and the internet. Today's like, well, I'm not gonna make the first move. You're not gonna make the first move.

And you got to understand there's people around both of y'all, both of us who are probably fan in the flames. So it really comes down to selling this to be honest with you, because uh, we all need each other to be successful, we all need each other to be this successful, and it's just about ego and stubbornness, that's all it is. Because very few guys are picking the

phone or so yo man, my bad, my bad. You know, most celebrities get in trouble when they try to um how a messed up situation instead of like they got all these people around, like Hey, let's handle it like this. Let's handle it like this. One of the reasons I have been successful every time that I messed up, Drake, I just said the words my bad, I'm sorry, and I don't worry about because there's two factions. There's the public and there's the media. The media they're in a

very unique situation. What I mean by that is they kind of got the pile on or they lose credibility when you do something wrong or stupid. The press can't say, oh, it's all right. They're like, nah, I gotta keep my credib business. So they're gonna throw gasold on the fire. That's just the way the thing works. So the people around you, you got to have good people around you to tell you, like, no, Dre, you probably shouldn't do that. No, Chuck,

you probably shouldn't do that. But on the other hand, there's so many people around you because on the pay road who livesten no man, forget him, he's this, he's that. So there's a lot of variables, but it really comes down to ego and stubborn. That's that's all it really comes down to. And I know for sure that you're capable, Uh putting your ego to the side by the way.

When I first walked out, and I've told this story publicly before, when I first walked on to the set to do the arena with you carry Champion and Dwyane Wade, I mean there was there was no surprise I was coming on there. We have been talking back and forth in the media. You said you was gonna punch me in my face. I said I was gonna take your job. Like we can go on and on and on. It went on for years, And the moment I walked on that set, you got out of your seat. What's up, Draymond?

How you doing? And I'll be one honest with you. I was walking up there like, whatever happened, happened? If he says something to me, if you want to punch me, I'm ready to go there. And you disarmed me so fast, like, hey, what's up man? How you doing? It's great to see you walcome and I'm just sitting there like what the hell? You know? What's really funny? You remind me a lot of Dennis Rodman, Like I want to play with you. You to be annoying as fun to play against, like

I saw Dinnis at the seven five thing. We hugged each other, like brother, He's somebody I really liked a lot in respect, you're the same way. It would be annoying to play against you because number one, I don't think you've ever committed a foul and uh and that's hey, listen that that makes me laugh every time. But I think sometimes people don't realize and you're gonna realize it too. Like it was at two o'clock in the morning. Sometimes you're like, this dude has drive me crazy tonight. He's

arguing with the RELs all night. And then Shack said, what do you want to do? And I just said, I just want to punch him in the face. And then what pissed me off about that night? To be honest with you, I was joking around and then the report I asked you that, and then you got to the See that's what That's one thing I tell brothers, you have to be really careful because everybody's got pride and ego. And I knew when I heard him ask you that question, I said, oh man, this dude. Don't

think I'm serious about punching him. I ain't never gonna punch an NBA player, because we're all in the same family. But I knew because a lot of guys don't understand, like the media, when they asked you a question, they want you to come back at a dude, they want you to keep it going. That's why I never respond when God say bad stuff about me. I said, I take that goes with the job. Because the media, number one,

they don't know a lot about basketball. So when they have two guys just going back and forth at each other, it's just crazy. And you know, like you kind of doing that, I said, we're doing their job for them. Like, no, man, you write about basketball, don't write about these two guys, because like, why are you writing about two guys who said something about each other? That's like, right now, I

haven't heard of you, honest this response. But I heard Chace Oakley say that Johannest would be like coming off not that good of a player, and he'd be coming off the bench in our day, And like, I hope Johannest don't respond because then they're gonna go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and like nobody wins because Joannice is a great, great player. That dude can flat out ball I mean, well, is gonna be very interested in the next ten or fifteen years. Man, he

gonna who if he? I mean, he's gonna set so many records because he's getting an easy twenty a night for the next ten ten because he's only like yeah. But I hope he don't respond because that was a stupid statement. It was unnecessary. But I can say that night when I hit it, I was opening around. It was like, I mean, but you y'all always the late games. It was like one o'clock in the morning, and I was joking around with Shaq and Kenny, and then I

saw on that reporter asked you that question. I said, oh, man, he gonna think I'm serious. But like I said, you remind me a lot of Dinnis because Dennis, Man, that dude was a heck of a player. He was a hell of a player. He was so damn'm annoying to play against because you're trying to concentrate on basketball, and now he made it personal instead of you just playing basketball. I'm trying to go with him. I'm trying to go with then as every play. Now, Yo, man, I'm here

sick hand with a great defender. You are you're talking trash. I'm going at your ass every time, and he gets in your head and you do exactly the same thing. So man, when you came in and show you you know, the first time I met you was in New Orleans. Yeah, I remember that. I remember I said, and I said, you're gonna be a hell of a NBA player. We talked, we were at some bar having fun as usual, and then I say, welcome to the NBA blah blah blah blah blah, and listen, you've had a hell of a

career so foreigna and the future steal bright. But you got a long way to go. But I just think that we you're gonna learn this too. There's gonna be guys who when you have to talk about guys, they're gonna be like, I want to play with that dude, but he's annoying as hell because when you because because you know, it's like, uh like Loud, if I played against Luca, this dude could play on ever. He's a

health player. I watched yall game Sunday night. I said, he get he got another technical, but he complains on every place and what he doesn't even realize he's making contact with the defense, which all great offensive players, so he is getting hit, but if he would asked to go back and look at the tape, he's the one making the contact. He does a lot of contact. The best player I see you do that. It's Adan iverson he because he's such a little dude and a great player.

He always hit the defense first, and me, being a six five guy, I hate the defense every time, and every time they didn't call a file, I'm like, damn, dude, you didn't see that, and I didn't realize uns how I went back and watch the tape and like, oh, I asked for the one who made a contact with him because I had to get the six nine guy off of me. And a lot of guys are like that when they when they're great, the offensive players, depending on the size advantage, they always hit the defense first.

That's that's the way you get them off. When I played against he's the best player I ever played again, I had to hit him like every single time, and because he was so long and lanky, but I was making contact with him every time, and every time they didn't call a pile, I bitched a complain about it and and switching gears a little bit um and just going back to the set, you, you and Shot go at each other more than anybody I know. Do y'all ever get to the point of where you're like, man,

that like that was too much? Like? Do y'all ever get to the point where y'all really pissed that age? Because I know y'all our best of friends. But do y'all ever get to the point to where you're like, Yo, that was too much for that really pissed you off? Or you really pissed him off? I hope I pissed them off, because you know, because what he really don't understand it's he's always been the best player and the biggest,

baddest dude. And what me and Kenny try to explain to him and you probably could explain also, I dude, we ain't more talented than everybody we play against. There's a strategy, there's a there's the there's a strategy, there's some techniques and things like that that are really important. But he's never had to worry about that, Dreke, because he's always been the biggest motile, athletic guy in the world. And he gets so mad when we try to talk basketball I said, and me and Kenny argue with him

all the time. He like, won't they just get the ball to the big man, let him dominate. He's like, nobody's like you and Wilt Chamberlain. There's a strategy like me and Kenny and Dre. We have to have a strategy every night, special against whoever you're playing against. And he refuses to listen to that, but then he goes, right, well, you didn't win the championship. I said, you're right. Still

don't mean you don't. We're talking basketball strategy, and I know every time I calling out on this strategy, he gets so pissed. And I love it. But the thing that I try to get him to understand is, Shack, we ain't don't like you. You've always been the biggest, baddest dude. You're You're you're bigger, stronger, faston than everybody you play. Again, when I play against Bird, Mkial car him alone, those three of the best, or Kevin Garnett, like, I have to watch tape and figure out how I'm

gonna be successful against this dude. You know, I mean, I really have to feet. I said, I'm gonna be six five every day when I'm playing against six nine birds. I got to try to figure out how to attack him or stop him Mackel He's seven feet tall. I just can't post a seventh got up called alone Kevin Garnett.

I mean when I'm it and he refuses to understand that there's in his strategy and basketball and you as a player who whoo, who survives on smart like you don't have to have a game plan against a lot of guys, and that's one of the reasons you've been successful. But he refuses to believe there's in his strategy and basketball. So so so it makes me mad and then I so I'll go ahead of myself. You just don't know anything about basketball, and he gets mad, which makes me

last more inside. The kid is poking me on the table like get it, get it, And then so I know when I get him, yeah, you're not wearing anything. I'm like yeah, but we're talking basketball strategy. So it's fun for me, uh to to to rilly him up. But I wish that he would sit back and say this, Oh, maybe there is a strategy, but we all live in

our own existence. Like he's like, he's never like I need to have a strategy against Stanley Roberts uh the kid by Mutombo, Rick Smith's Patrick gilling Uh like probably the only big guy who scooed him was probably a key. Yeah. And then at once he became the full force. He became like he was pretty much unstoppable. But he has always been the biggest, baddest due so he he he

refused to leave there's any strategy in basketball. And I just laughed my ass off because like, yo, man, you do know there's actually a strategy in basketball depending on who you playing against. But because of how great he was, he he doesn't care. Yeah, so uh in the time I can get his blood pressure up. I love it when when he when he hits you with the G four team classic k or you don't got rings? Does that ever, argue? And what do you make of what

people make of rings? Because in some cases, I think you know, they can be overvalue sometimes for certain guys, like certain certain guys you didn't really contribute to get in that ring, but you got the ring. Great in some cases it doesn't matter. But I don't get listen

and I'm sensitive or whatever. If people want I'm trying to figure out just because a couple of jackasses on television like Skill baylists who I hate more in life itself, starts talking about who one who didn't want, guy who never played, and now they're making a great living doing that. But what bothers me about that is basketball is not an individual sport. Absolutely like to go on television and talk about just because it based great TV play. Quait, dude,

Basketball is a team game. You're making a great living because it's easy for people to attack certain guys the stars stars. You know they don't because I used I'll tell us I says. Nobody ever says, hey, man, Mark West didn't win the championship, you know, Kevin Johnson to a great teammates. Nobody ever said Dan Martin to win.

But you get a guy like Skip Betis on television who's got a radio show the following he picks shots about certain guys who were great players who didn't win the championship, and he's made a great living doing it. But my thing has always been, wait, it's it's not it's it's y'all do know it's a team game, right?

So that's only time I get mad when guys who never played the game, uh talk about who has a one and the thing and listen and uh and the point you said earlier, yeah, uh a couple of seconds ago. Like I don't even get mad at guys who can't play dead who get rings, good for them, But I don't want guys talking around talking about the dude. Never want anything like yo, man, you didn't even play in the game. I mean, like you can say to yourself, oh,

I was a big part of the Warrior's winning. Like, but if some guy came at me who didn't even get in the game the time when he won the championship, I'm like, yeo, man, you you really you're crossing the line right now. But that's the only time. But I get offended when guys who have never played, who are making a lot of money talk about what he never won anything like what number one you never played? Let's get the doctor with but just attack guys who agreed

at their sport. Uh. And there's a lot of guys who are great. I mean you look at Carl was great, John Stockton was great, Pat the Union was great. He just never played on the best team. But to minimize what they did because it makes good internet, Um, you know they were on Matt Stafford before he got one. This year, Wait, did Matt Stafford get better? He went to a better team. We went to a better team. I mean he never won a playoff game in Detroit.

He went the championship. Now what all of a sudden. He's a great, great player. I wish him nothing but the best, But he went to a great team. But you know that that was the narrative when the years started. He's not that good. He's not that good. Now he wanted like okay, now they go to the next guy. So it's probably gonna be probably, I don't think Josh Allen was great. Probably got a couple more years. It's gonna be tricky on Pat Mahomes. They're gonna turn against him.

They've already started turned to him. It turned against Aaron Rodgers. So if you get one, then you get like you get him off your back for a minute, and like, were here only one one? You know? So I just kind of sit back and laugh when guys who've actually never strapped them up make money talking about who never wanted the thing? Absolutely, you know, I didn't used to

pay attention to a lot of the stuff. And I say, over the last and I still I don't watch a lot of it now, but because on Instagram you see everything pop up on your phone and like like Skip Baylors for instance, Like it's baffling to me, Like I remember a time when you know, um media guys couldn't be homers, um you know you even even riding one guy like Skip does Lebron, it was it was almost

viewed as distasteful. And now it's like, no, that's a real a thing, like the way he rides Lebron James, Like, no matter what Lebron does, that's a real thing. Like where did that change? How did we go from you can't be a homer two that, like it's two totally

different ends of the spectrum. Well when guys are making money doing that, well, like because now it's a full fledged business, Like Skip Baylors hates Lebron and Aaron Rodgers, and for me, I hate that because the one thing I try to do is I'm never gonna lie on television because people believe what they see on television. And if you have watched Kill Baylors, you know he hates Lebron and he hates Aaron Rodgers, and that ain't right in my opaient because let me tell you something, Lebron James,

I think it's now I'm an m J guy like that. Clear, yes, but I think what Lebron has accomplished is arguably the greatest story in sports history. For number One, you look at Kobe, Kevin Garnett, guys like that, they were not good players when they first got to the NBA. That's true. Lebron is the only player in my forty years in the NBA who played great from day one, and for him to turn into one of the best players ever, he's never gotten in trouble, especially in this twenty four

hour news cycle with social media. For him to be as great as he's been from the year eighteen to where he's at now, I think it's one of the great stories in sports history because number One, he was that good from day one, which I said his greatest Kobe became and Kevin guys like that they were not good there first for years. But Lebron was good from day one, and for him to never have gotten in trouble and kept that level of excellence out, I think

it's one of the greatest stories ever. In my opinion, I agree. I always tell people, um with Lebron like that he got the Chosen One tattooed across his back. He had that that tattoo in high school, like King James. He was annoying at King James in high school. I think for what what's so incredible to me about Lebron is he probably had the highest expectations of any high school any player, but especially high school player ever coming

into the NBA. Like even Michael Jordan's didn't have the expectations to become who Michael Jordan became when he came out of North Carolina. Lebron probably had the highest expectations we've never I mean, like I said, even those guys I mentioned earlier, Lebron was the only one who came in with that like you're supposed to be the next

great player, and he exceeded that. But the thing is amazing, though, Drake, in this twenty four hour Reduce cycle, what people got cameras all the time, what he's exceeded off the court. Also between his greatness at basketball and what he's accomplished off the court, and he's never really had a serious pr I mean, the the decision thing leaving Cleveland, things like that. But to never get in trouble. It's one

of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life. Absolutely, I mean even even the decision, the decision raised what ten million dollars for charity or something like that, Well they kind of did that. They do they they knew they had messed up charity wise, you know, because because that was a bad thing. I mean in retrospect, I think it was a bad thing. I think they through the charity by aspect out there, it was like we're

getting killed right now. But like I say, I don't even hold out against him because man to deal with all that pressure he's dealt with. I just think it's an incredible story. Absolutely. A couple more questions. I know we've been on for a while and I'll sit here and talk to you all day, as you know. I mean, all we need is a glass of Lobos or something

and we'll keep this thing rolling. But no question, but does it One of the things that I really wanted to focus on it coming on tv UH and especially being an active player, was how do I be critical of god Eyes and say what needs to be said without disrespecting the guy or making them feel like um hating on them because I know we hear a lot or I mean I even hear it a lot today. I don't really get off into it no more because

I see the other side of things. But you hear a lot today when UH like, for instance, when when Uncle today his comment came out, some of my boys hit man. They're like, why do would he say this? And just that another and you hear younger players always say man, them older guys are haters and and they just be hating and they're mad because they ain't make as much money and blah blah blah. Does it ever

bother you? Um? When when a guy who you may say something about on TV, UH start to dislike you personally, or you see them and they don't want to speak or like, you know, the it's tension there. Does does that ever bother you? No? Because you know you're gonna be great at this business, and I think you're going to be. You gotta keep your credibility. You gotta keep your credibility because that goes back to we're talking about the reason I don't like skill Baylis is he covers

for guys he likes. You can't pick out lebron and error because you don't like them, or that drives your ratings and your social media stuff, and then talk good about guys who are not nearly as good rate they are and blah blah blah. So he's become a television personality. But I think it's important to keep your your your your like said, Okay, I might not like what y'all said, but he's gonna be fair. Listen, there's gonna be times you have to criticize guys. There's gonna be time you

have to criticize guys you like. All the fans gonna be like, oh, Draymond just he he likes his guys, and he's hard on the guys he don't like. But then you're gonna lose your credit ability. I don't think anybody can say in my one years that I said, oh, Charles, just don't like that guy. But I do think there's the way you can criticize guys without like I just say, yo, man, the guy just had a bad game. He played awful tonight. I don't have to say, oh, man, he sucks as

a player, he's awful. I'm like, no, he didn't have a good game. First, they just saw this dude have a bad game. They just saw this dude have a bad game. If I get on TV and somebody, well, he didn't have that bad again, they're gonna be like, oh, that shucks boy, Yeah, that shucks boy. He he kills other people, you know. So the number one thing you have to do is keep your credibility because once you

lose that, the players ain't gonna respect you. But more importantly, the fans ain't gonna respect you because when you're on television, you're really trying to relate of the fans and like I said, they might disagree with you, but as long as you're fair, they're gonna be cool with it. But the number one thing, though, Dred, when you get into this business full time. The people saw what just happened. They sat like, quit minute the drink. Just say this

dude played good and he played so you can't. If you do that, they can be like, I'm not gonna listen to this due the more he got his guys he like. He killed the guys he like. So that's the key, keeping your credibility. So they ask you a question. You know, man, I gotta do my job. I gotta do my job. Absolutely no, I respect that and before we get out of here, are like I said at the big top of the show, you want Emmy's um

You've done. Are there any goals for you that you set for yourself that you want to accomplish before you say like? Obviously as basketball players, you know we we all set these goals, right like I want to win a championship or I to win the Defensive Player of the Year of being All Star. All you set these goals for yourself and you said, I want to do this by the time I retire. Is there anything left for you and TV that you want to do that you say, I have to do this before I say

I'm done. No, I think for me, we're we're we we are in every broadcasting Hall of Fame there is. I think we are considered by far the best television sports show ever. That means a lot to all of us. That means a lot to all of us. Uh, I do think it's a joke that we get awards and things like that. I'm not gonna lie. I was like, wait a minute, y'all gonna pay us and give us trophies. So, but the number one thing I won't I want fans to say, I might not like Charles Barkley opinion, but

you know what he tells. He tries to be fair and honest. That's all I really care about. You know, when I got in this business, my mentor said to me, Dick ever saw He says, I think he's gonna be great on TV. He said, but you're always gonna be in trouble. I said, what does that mean? He said, Charles. Fans only want one or two things. They want you to tell them their favorite player is great and their team is great. He said, They don't want anything else.

He says, Now, they're gonna respect you, but they ain't gonna like you. That's like when I meet NIXT fans, They're like, why you hate the Knicks? I said, Yo, man, I don't hate the Knicks. Y'all been sucking for twenty years. Why you want me to get on TV? And said, they're good? Right? Is that what you want? I mean, I've been here in the time for twenty some years on time in the time. I'm in New York. They oh, you hate the Knicks. I'm like, man, the Knicks been

trash as long as I've been on television. What do you want me to say? You want me to get on t V said the nixt got a good team, and I'm gonna look like a food because other than last year when they had a decent here, I can't remember them having a good year. I think Carmelo had a couple of great years there, but the team wasn't very good. But when you're in New York, they're like, you're a hater on the Knicks. I'm like, yo, man, seriously, you really want me to get on TV and kill

my credibility that the Knicks got a good team. I ain't never lied about the Knicks. They just they've been awful. But I want fans to know that I just don't have a hit an agenda. That's the number one thing playing something. I respect that, Chuck. I appreciate you. I think for me again, I just want to say thank you for what you've done. What I mean, you went from being a Hall of Fame basketball player to transcending

the broadcasting career after you're done playing. I don't think I can recall anyone that's done what you've done after the basketball our career that you had in this incredible So just from guys like myself and other guys that want to take that route. I just want to say thank you. And I think one of the most incredible things I can say about you that showed me what

type of person you was. I always tell people because people still walk up to me like, oh, fuck Chuck and like all this stuff, and I'll be like, man, listen, that's one of my favorite people. And I knew that was that was evident for me. Two things. Um. Number one, I'm sitting in the green room, you know, um new on the job. I'm sitting in my locker room. You come in the studio loud as hell, of course, like

only Chuck does, but you were speaking to everyone. And not only were you speaking to everyone, it was yo, what's up at who? Most everybody don't know? But asked the man behind the camera, you know, and like, quite frankly, in most worlds you wouldn't talk to that, right, I'm telling you the one thing those people I speak to everybody every night. I mean, for some reason, these foods have to go in there like twelve o'clock in the day and I'm saying to myself, we don't go on

to seven. What the hell y'all been doing here since New They're like, Chuck, we gotta do this, we gotta do this, And I'm sitting there like, no, there's no ship. Take no seven hours for y'all to do. They're like, Chuck, we have to show up at twelve for seven o'clock show. So, Dre, I learned, well when I go there like they worked. I don't even know what they're doing, but it's gotta be hard work for them to get there seven hours

in advance. So I make sure every time I go in the studio, I say, hey, how are you doing? How you doing? How are you doing? How you're doing? Because I said, I don't know what the hell they're doing for sure, ours, but I appreciate them being there for seven hours. I respect their time, and I really appreciate your kind words and listen. Whenever my journey is over, whether we work together or not, Hey, man, take it to the next level. You're gonna be great on television.

You got careersman personality, and it's gonna be when you take over. I appreciate it. Man. Like I said, I thank you for paving away. I'm looking forward to catching up soon my brother, And like I said, I'm let the court. Thank you I'll be back out there in a few weeks and I'm dominating the asked again shock. But I'm letting Steve Curtinal right on this podcast right now. If Chuck sixty of Birthday Party happens on the night of a game, I will not be there. I will

be at Chuck sixty of Birthday Party. I don't care who in the media got something to say about it. I don't care if y'all want to light me up or rip me a new one. I'm at Chuck Cities and that's how it's gonna on. Hey, let me tell you this. Uh, y'all keep winning, because I want to see the Phoenix signs against the go to state work. We got the Western Conference this year. I want to sleep in my own bed in Phoenix and I want

to make that short trip to San Francisco. So y'all both get it, and I'll see you in the Western Conference finals. My brother, Yes, sir, my brother, Thank you, Chuck. I appreciate you. Okay, brother, y'all be safe. Man. That was such an incredible and insightful interview. I mean we we talked to everything from socio economics to um how African Americans are already behind. I mean not even really African Americans. Yes, African Americans, but just poor people are

already behind the eight ball. Um. I mean we discussed broadcast, and we discussed plan we discussed relationships between African American men. I learned so much. I took so much away from that interview. Chuck is is always extremely insightful and he never lacks for words, as we all know, as you know by Mr Tripple Single, as you know by I want to punch him in his face. That guy never lacks words, yet has become one of my absolute favorite people in the world. Like I said, one of the

best people I've ever been around. Uh an extreme pleasure and honor that I had to to sit alongside him and work alongside him, and then also, um continue to with with my deal that I signed with Turner Sports. So I'm extremely blessed and lucky to have someone like that in my life and to to have started building a relationship with the Chuckster because he's He's just an incredible human being. And I hope you all took the

same thing away from that interview. Hopefully you got the opportunity to know him even a little better than you knew it for and how brilliant was the Kobe Jim. I mean that's one for the ages, Like could you imagine number one Cob and Shock back together, which I think would have been beautiful for everyone, But then just adding Code's knowledge to that panel, with the goat, uh, the guyfather Ernie Johnson, with the jet with Shock diesel as I said, and with the chuckster Man, that would

have been incredible. But unfortunately we never got to see it, and fortunately enough, maybe fortunately we did it, because that also means Cobe got to spend more of that time that he would have been doing that with his family, as we all know, the tragedy that shook all of our lives, um and more importantly his family life. So I think that's still one that I can't let go. I still get super sad when I see something to Kobe.

I still get super sad when I hear his name, Like I'm not sure if and when I'll ever get over that, um as I know a lot of people have and I and I still send my love to Vanessa and his girls because I just can't imagine. But like I said, such a great episode, um, such a great interview with Chuckster. I am thankful to the Chuckster uh so incredible. Make sure you guys subscribe to the podcast if you haven't, subscribed to the Volumes YouTube channel

if you haven't. And that's it from The Draymond Green Show, episode fifteen. That's a rap. Catch you'all next week piece