Functional Regenerative Medicine and Your Cellular Health with Dr. Bart Rademaker - S2E13

Kashif Khan:
All right, everyone. I don't get to say this often, but I'm currently looking at and speaking to a Nobel Prize nominee. In fact, I think that's the only time I've ever said that. We're joined by Dr. Bart Rademaker today. First of all, thanks for joining us. We are exploring... This is a unique conversation. We're exploring how to break this mold of disease-centric symptom masking together. Bart's been doing some amazing work. I met him actually at the Biohacking Conference in LA a couple months ago where he was continuing his research. What you didn't see a lot of there was sort of allopathic medicine clinicians. What you saw was a lot of people that want to take care of themselves, anti-aging, longevity focused. What you didn't see was people like Bart with the deep academic and sort of experiential background who have crossed over and said, "There's more to what I can do than what I'm doing and I'm going to explore outside of my toolkit." Which really to me is mind-blowing because it's very hard to break that mold. So first of all, thanks for joining us.

Bart Rademaker:
Oh, thank you so much. It's an honor for me, Kash.

Kashif Khan:
When we met there, we did a little interview because you have your radio show that's been going on for seven years. The regenerative and reconstructive industry kind of looks to you as a thought leader and follows the work you do and so I was honored to speak to you about that, and now we're honored to be potentially working with you to bring this to the greater world. Tell us a little bit about the work that you've been doing until now because I've been... Did a little bit injustice other than the fact that you're a nominee for such a prestigious award.

Bart Rademaker:
Well, I've been a plastic and reconstructive surgeon for the last 25 years. I'm fortunate I trained in two different continents. I got an excellent training in that respect, and when I dove into the regenerative side or the plastic surgery reconstructive side, I recognized there was a lot more to it. It's a transformative approach that we can actually begin to look at. That's how I got into understanding that, "How do we harness the potential of the body to restore form and function?" For me, going into regenerative medicine made a lot of sense because you're tapping into the wisdom and the intelligence of ourselves into restoring form and function.

Bart Rademaker:
Then fast-forwarding to today when I'm recognizing that my path to make wellness a must and accessible to all in this country is concluding the fact that as doctors, we need to rethink how we practice our medicine today. This is actually why I'm so incredibly honored and excited to be talking to you because there's people, and smart people like yourself, outside of medicine that are solving the problems that we're facing today.

Kashif Khan:
Yeah. It's challenging because if you're in the industry, you're really got your hands tied because you can't do... We know clinicians that have lost their licenses for saying certain things, for doing certain things that they knew were in the best interest of the patient but were not college approved, right?

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
Right now, we're facing in Canada, Health Canada, our equivalent of the FDA, deciding whether primary care doctors are allowed to recommend supplements or not. Vitamin C and D. I don't think there's anything on the planet that has more publications than vitamin D, and they're saying it's not evidence based.

Bart Rademaker:
Right. Right.

Kashif Khan:
This is the reality of what we're fighting against, and there are some bold people like you that are out there saying, "Yeah, I want to make this work." Yeah, it does take people because you're restricted when you're in the system so people have to come from the outside and fix it.

Bart Rademaker:
No, absolutely.

Kashif Khan:
Tell us... I know when it comes to regenerative medicine there's kind of two halves to it. Some people think of it as the sort of not so holistic part, which is, for example, I had a tear in my shoulder and I got a PRP treatment done. It worked. It worked really well. I also had to tear in my elbow. I push a little too hard at the gym sometimes. Both of these things are now fully functioning, but that translates far beyond that into things like exosomes and stem cells. Regenerative medicine is pushing so far ahead so where is it and where's it going?

Bart Rademaker:
Well, what's interesting... I think it's important to put in context because there really is so much misinformation out there. Part of the challenge is that we don't have enough clinical trials on the one hand, and then the other hand people aren't being really quite transparent as to how we are actually managing regenerative medicine. But when you think about in the context of this, you have a trauma or you have an extreme imbalance of the tissues in your body, you just don't have enough cells or stem cells in your system to be able to address that. Essentially, the term that we like to use is we need a surge. We need a surge of stem cells in a particular area to correct the imbalance, and that's what stem cells really do. All they do is really correct the identified imbalance because that's what cells can do. They can identify what's going on that's wrong and therefore respond accordingly. That's essentially what our stem cells do, and the same thing with exosomes. What actually does happen is that there's a delivery of enough growth factors or messenger signals to the tissues to then actually respond.

Bart Rademaker:
It's an interesting development because I was one of the first plastic and reconstructive surgeons to begin using stem cells back in 2009. It was easily accessible then until the FDA shut that down, and that's just an entirely different story, but I also knew at that time that technology would soon catch up. Nowadays, we have access to either bone marrow stem cells, which is essentially regulated and many practitioners are practicing it right now. We got adipose derived stem cells, which is what I started off with in 2009. It's a brilliant process because we get large numbers of stem cells compared to the bone marrow cells and so it has that efficacy effect. Then of course we have allografts. These are derived from the umbilical cord.

Bart Rademaker:
Again, the FDA is in a quandary right now as far as what they're allowing and what they're disallowing, but the truth is is that this is what I call intelligent medicine, as well as the stuff that you do, by the way. That's intelligent medicine too. It will come that it will be much more accessible. The most important thing is it's very safe. We just don't know ultimately how patients will specifically benefit from stem cells, and that's where the FDA comes in as well, and in a fair way as well, by saying that we can't make claims when it comes to stem cells.

Kashif Khan:
Based on what you said and the work that's been doing with the FDA, there's... It prompts a question that I keep hearing, which is scope, meaning that we know that stem cells can go in and regenerate and heal and identify even and know where to get to work. The question that I get which I don't know the answer to is, "Where is this going to apply? Are we talking about chronic diseases in general? Are we only talking about regenerating? Are we saying that we can then change the way we think about disease, like let's regenerate tissues so that it's about the inflammation or the root cause as opposed to the disease itself? Where will it go?"

Bart Rademaker:
No, I think that's a great question. Unfortunately, not enough doctors who apply it are asking that particular question. They just see this as a golden bullet and it's going to take care of everything when actually it's not. The best positioning of stem cells or regenerative medicine is in the sense of if we need to take immediate action, if we need to get a fast track, create some momentum in the healing process because it's an acute situation. Let's say you've got your shoulder injury, you got lots of inflammation, potentially a tear of any of the tendons. It's a good way to immediately address the problem.

Bart Rademaker:
But the truth is is that what we really need to focus on in addition to that or prior to that is really giving all the resources what the body needs based on what you do, and that's the genetic blueprint because otherwise it's just a guessing game and it's also only temporary. Ideally in my world is that we do everything in advance, we give people the right types of foods, the right kinds of supplements and educate them on the right kind of lifestyles so that they ultimately don't need stem cells. But in a crisis, in an urgent situation, just like acute care, stem cells has a very definitive place.

Kashif Khan:
Yeah, and this goes back to the toolkit question because what you just laid out is what people need. It's not a response, it's a maintenance program that's personalize it for them, but that's not what's covered by insurance and that's not what's prescribed and so you end up with these sort of jams. But what we're seeing at least, and what I believe may happen, is the cost of healthcare is such a burden now that the corporations that are footing the bill are going to drive change because it's bottom line now. It's about, "Well, not only am I paying exorbitant healthcare costs to maintain an employee workforce but they're not healthy, they're not productive." That's the driving factor I think that potentially could change things, but it's slow, but I think it could move the needle a little bit.

Bart Rademaker:
Well, when you look at the numbers, in the 1960s I think per capita cost was $146. Now it's 12,500. That's more than an 8000% increase. And also when you looked at the numbers as far as what it costs for a person to earn the money back for that healthcare cost, I think it was 1958 it took them about 15 days for them to pay off that particular cost for healthcare. Nowadays it's about 60 days, so economically it's a major burden. What's making it worse is that predictions by 2030 is that we're going to have a shortage of doctors, between 40 to 120,000 doctors. We now currently have one million. Besides that, the abilities of doctors to be able to perform at the highest level is dramatically changing nowadays for many different reasons, which I'm constantly talking about, and so we have to rethink how we do things. You describe it very well in your videos, $4 trillion in healthcare costs, 90% dealing with chronic disease and 50% of the population has a chronic disease right now. That's insane.

Kashif Khan:
Yeah, it's truly insane. I don't know if there's any civilization that's ever... I mean, we're living longer for sure, but is it really life? You're living just to pay health bills.

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
In that journey, do you think that... That thing that you said where costs are more, is that because disease is more rampant or is it because the costs are just going... Do we have better technology now that's just more expensive?

Bart Rademaker:
Well, there's another statistic I'll share with you. The United States spends twice as much or much more than any other country in healthcare costs, and compared to 11 other western countries we actually come last in the quality of the health and our efficacy in delivering health. It goes to show that there's multiple aspects of this problem, but it's predominantly... I mean, when we look at how the surgeons of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and other neurodegenerative conditions, obesity, diabetes, all these things, it's a result of lifestyle choices. It's a combination of basically people are making the wrong lifestyle choices. Part of the problem is they just don't know any different.

Kashif Khan:
Yeah. I think the concept of what is... Or even that being a priority has been removed from the culture. If you go to a country like Germany, for example, in terms of where they're at economically and cultural-wise, it matches what you see in the US everywhere except health. If you look at where their misalignment is, the way they think about their food, the way they think about their families, the way they think about how they work, it's all very different. There's some humanity to it and there's that human touch which we've lost, but there's also... On the healthcare side, you go to countries like Germany and you see things in hospitals that are illegal in the US. I've seen literally there's a concept called iridology where you can read the iris because you have all these ends of... The end of the iris that connect the glands in different organs in your body that can tell you inflammatory levels. You'll see in a hospital when somebody's unconscious, the iridologist will come and it's fully covered, paid for by health. Here, it's illegal.

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
Right, because it's not evidence based. The thinking is even different. The thinking of, "Let's get to the root and why is this tumor there? Where is the inflammation starting? Why is it happening?" You have all these... It's the cultural aspect, it's the... And the sort of belief around healthcare itself. That's a shift in how people think, and we're getting... I find the wave is getting more in the wrong direction than ever before.

Bart Rademaker:
I would have to agree. The truth is is that I'm very much into energy medicine, and whether it's human driven or technology driven, but also the diagnostic aspect of it. When we look in the 1800s, late 1800s, we had about 10,000 doctors using electricity on a daily basis in their practice to help heal. Then unfortunately, basically in 1906 with what's called the Flexner Report all the chiropractors and naturopaths and non-MDs were kind of eliminated, including this electricity technology, which actually Sears, Roebuck was selling those devices. I mean, we all know Sears. You could buy them in the store.

Kashif Khan:
Oh, you're kidding.

Bart Rademaker:
But nowadays in Germany, for example, and Norway, there's a lot of research on energy medicine that seriously can have an impact on our wellbeing. Again, that's not allowed here in the United States. That's why I'm encouraged when people like yourself are finding ways around that to support, and with clinical evidence, how it is that we can address our patients in a better way no matter what discipline they come from because ultimately that is one of the main starting points for optimizing our health. It's that genetic component.

Kashif Khan:
Yeah. I remember... We recently were involved in this bioenergetic summit where there was a bunch of interviews and we were one of the interviewees. I learned there that Tony Robbins actually flies around... He will not leave his home without his bioenergetic machine, which if he's in an airplane it's on because of all the EMFs. When he lands in the hotel, it's on and then he adjusts it per whatever the job is. Is it mood, is it energy, is it pre-gym, post-gym? He's constantly using this thing and traveling with it but it's just not, again, in the toolkit but it's what's keeping him at his best, right?

Bart Rademaker:
Yeah. I get on mine every morning. Twice a day, in the morning and the evening.

Kashif Khan:
How has it changed you? How do you feel different?

Bart Rademaker:
The best way I could describe it... I just actually started using PEMF beds, but I also work within neuromuscular therapist and he noticed within a month that my tissues were much more pliable, much supple after using this device. You actually sense it right away. I think long-term I'll notice a major difference, but my research currently... I'm doing a deep dive into energy medicine and it's astounding the amount of research and clinical evidence that's out there that will surely have a major impact on the future. Again, these are one of the things that I'm encouraging my colleagues to ultimately look at as well as everything else.

Kashif Khan:
It's funny you mention PEMF because I work a lot, which means I'm on a laptop and on my phone too much. I had an old laptop which I refused to change because I'm just like that, I just don't need to waste money on something that's unnecessary, and what I found was my right hand was feeling off. It was somewhat numb, uncomfortable. Then the tip of my right pointer finger was becoming callous.

Bart Rademaker:
Mm-hmm.

Kashif Khan:
Then it started happening here, and then it started getting to this discomfort level where it was very visceral. I could feel it. I was thinking, "Okay." I put my phone away. I realized my battery in my laptop was so old and emitting [inaudible 00:17:53] and the mouse track pad, which is where my right hand sat most of the day moving things around, was causing this problem. So I called a gentleman who you may know of, Dr. Pawluk, who talks about PEMF quite a bit, and he sent me a device. I literally took a glove, stuck it in there and put my hand through this thing for a weekend. I'm not kidding, after the weekend it was 80% gone.

Bart Rademaker:
Wow.

Kashif Khan:
I then did this for a good month where every weekend... First of all, I got rid of my laptop. I then did it every weekend. I still have a tiny bit of a callous on the tip of my finger here, but all that feeling is gone. I can't even remember what it felt like. It's all gone. The truth of what's happening to us in terms... The reason why I bring this up, because it's not also the energy medicine but it's also realizing the energy poison that we are around.

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
Right. It's the EMF poison that we are constantly being hit by, the Wi-Fi in your home, all that stuff. So as much as energy can be medicine, the wrong version can be deadly. I don't know how much of that you've seen in your clinical work.

Bart Rademaker:
No, truthfully I haven't seen that much because that hasn't been my focus, but here's one thing that is true. We have a network of nerve cells and electricity goes through those cells and all of it creates an electromagnetic field. The heart pulsating 60 times a minute is also emitting a electromagnetic field to all of your cells, and in fact it's going to radiate 12 feet outside of you. That gives us pause to think that our own heart is affecting every single cell in our body and in fact it's affecting people around us. The truth is is that we all think we have five or six senses, perhaps. We actually have 32 different senses, of which many of us... Many times we are not really aware of it. But then again, there are other types of energies we are simply not aware of that are affecting ourselves all the time. The cool thing about this, Kash, is this, is that rather than relying on pills and surgery to rebalance our systems, energy medicine of the future will absolutely be able to do it almost instantaneously, or in your case like you discovered, in just a matter of days or a week.

Kashif Khan:
These 32 senses, I've never heard this before. Can you give us a couple of examples of things that we [inaudible 00:20:23]?

Bart Rademaker:
Well, the senses that we're most familiar with, it's a heat sense, it's a pressure sense, it's a positional sense, but then we're also thinking about gamma waves, that we can measure gamma waves and in some way our form our body is able to recognize those. We're not aware of them, but simply because they exist we have to assume as we've evolved over millions of years that our body is going to respond to these different types of energies. When we talk about intuition, when we talk about premonition or whatever, really it's our ability to sense energies that we don't know how to articulate them, but they relay to our unconscious mind.

Bart Rademaker:
The response is actually... The field that we're talking about is the connective tissue. Everybody thinks that everything is related to... Everything that happens in our body is related to chemical reactions and nerve cells. Well, actually it's the connective tissue in of itself [inaudible 00:21:24] communicate with the entire body. Again, I mean, these are new things that are coming out in our scientific communities to really have an understanding as how our body works basically also in the quantum field. It's not just based on Newtonian physics but in the quantum field and understanding how to tap into that is going to be pretty remarkable.

Kashif Khan:
Yeah. It's funny because we talk about these things as new. It's more like it's ancient wisdom that science is now validating, right?

Bart Rademaker:
Correct.

Kashif Khan:
We are now allowed to talk about it or allowed to use it and products are allowed to be built on it, but read ancient text. This has been known for centuries, if not millennia. It just... Because it wasn't a pill, it in modern science was poo-pooed and, "This is not right. Doesn't even exist." We're starting to now see it does. Speaking of Nobel Prizes, the group that just won that Nobel Prize for quantum entanglement who are now talking about [inaudible 00:22:30], what, a couple months ago, right?

Bart Rademaker:
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kashif Khan:
Something that we theoretically thought would've been a fairytale they just won a Nobel Prize for, which speaks a lot to what goes on in terms of energy connection or this concept of cell split, but they're still connected through the field.

Bart Rademaker:
Yeah.

Kashif Khan:
So what does that mean? That means, well, take that back. I came from my mother. Why does my mother have this intuition when I'm on the other side of the planet calling me and saying, "Do you feel okay?" Why did my uncle once call me saying that he dreamt that I needed his help? Truly, this actually happened on one of the worst days of my life. Extreme stress, and I talk to him once every six months. That's a quantum entanglement, and then what you learn... If you start to understand that this is real then there's a very different way you can heal yourself.

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Kashif Khan:
All right. There's a very different way that not only you can heal yourself, but also should you even need to be sick in the first place, if you understand what your body is, how it's actually operating and what's actually going on and et cetera... That's a whole other conversation we can have, but [inaudible 00:24:13] things people need to know. Then when we talk about energy... There's another piece of energy is also grounding, meaning if we're electrical beings... I remember just recently reading an article about a gentleman who was being failed medically, cardiovascular disease, hypertension and a few other issues, he was having mood and behavior issues also, and he literally through some research he did built a metal frame under his mattress, ran a cable out his window, out the door, hammered it into the ground and grounded while he slapped himself. While he slept, sorry. He woke up after... I'm not sure how long he did it but I think it was a few weeks, and the actual empirical markers, the actual blood work and everything, got better.

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
Right. I'm not sure how the grounding pieces into energetic medicine, if it's all needed, one piece is needed, whether... How do you even put all this together?

Bart Rademaker:
Well, again, if we talk about the term capacitance where we hold in energy, especially when we're exposed to all this electromagnetic or electrical energy around us... The problem then, what happens with our cells... Because cells are energy, all molecules are energy and so everything essentially is a vibration of energy at a certain frequency. What the studies out in Europe and Russia have identified different frequencies with different cells with different diseases. Taking Lyme's disease, the [inaudible 00:25:49] or burgdorferi or Bartonella... I forget exactly how to say it, but it has a very specific frequency of 849 hertz, I think. That's why you can actually treat Lyme's disease with light therapy at a specific frequency and just totally knock out those cells.

Bart Rademaker:
It's the same thing with everything else. With everything that's happened within our system and especially when we have an imbalance, there's a disharmony of all the different frequencies that are happening. Essentially what you're talking about by grounding, you're kind of unloading all this excess of energy and giving the body that opportunity to rebalance itself, find the normal resonating frequencies and then help the body heal. Earthing, as an example, is definitely something that we all should do 30 minutes a day on natural soil or natural sand, really because, again... I mean, it doesn't defy science, it doesn't defy logic, but we've evolved over millions of years how in perfect harmony with nature.

Bart Rademaker:
All of the systems that are working within us have an intimate relationship with evolution over time. To ignore that just doesn't make sense, and that's exactly what we've been doing for the last 200 years with... Thinking of all these things that make our lives so much more convenient are making them actually very much more inconvenient with chronic disease. Thee truth is is that bodies are just simply overwhelmed, overburdened. Again, it's your toolkit, like you're saying. You get access to the right toolkit then you can basically restore your health. And all know that sleep is so critically important, so if you're not sleeping well you're not healing well either.

Kashif Khan:
Mm-hmm. That's interesting. The thing you talked about there, if... So I'm grounded, I'm working on my energy, but then you mentioned a virus or a bacteria, given Lyme, has its own frequency which is measurable, we know what it is. How do you then... Okay, I'm grounded, my energy's been set, all that. Is that enough to deal with it? Or because it has a specific frequency, is there a specific thing I need to do to counter that frequency? How do I... What's the actual therapeutic? How do you intervene?

Bart Rademaker:
Yeah. In the particular... Well, in any kind of illness, basically what's happening is that each of these different illnesses or each of these different cells essentially are vibrating at a very specific frequency. We can diagnose that. You talk about the diagnosis of the iridology system. We have sound systems that do diagnostics, we have photoemissions that we do diagnostic, which is what I use, which is the Bio-Well where we measure photoemissions off of the fingers and then we can see all the different energy levels and the chakra levels and everything like that. We don't have access to all this sophisticated equipment that will make all these measurements, but that equipment is available in Europe. In fact, that's what I'll be doing next year, is being trained on those types of technologies.

Bart Rademaker:
But my point is this, is that when a cell, for example, we know that it has a certain frequency, in this case the Lyme disease bacterium of 849 hertz, any device, any energy device that can then sync with that frequency can technically eliminate that cell. That's what we found. There's an opportunity to not have to rely on antibiotics or other kinds of medications to treat these things, but really optimizing the resonance, the energy, the frequency of cells. That's actually what the PEMF does as well because what the PEMF system does, it upregulates the frequency of our cells up to about 70 to 100. With that, it stabilizes the membrane and the ionic shifts that happen in the membrane, which when the cells are at a lower frequency because of all the toxins and everything else that that's happening, it's going to allow that cell to function in a normal way. That's exactly what a PEMF system will do, for example. What they do with these systems, they dial in specific frequencies to help with, say, pain, to help with inflammation, to help with the immune disorders... I mean, there is a lot of science behind all this that is readily available in Europe.

Kashif Khan:
Mm-hmm. That's pretty cool. I didn't think of it that way. I've understood that these... I mean, everything has its own unique frequency and resonance. I didn't think of it as targeting the frequency. The way we believe the bacteria's a problem, the inflammation is a problem, the disease is a problem. If you can target its own existence to begin with, which is really frequency and wave, then you can literally just obliterate it, which is so awesome. For people that are hearing this for the first time that think, "Wow, this is a little out there," this is conventional science. This is not new. This is not something [inaudible 00:31:24].

Bart Rademaker:
Not new at all.

Kashif Khan:
This is known fact, it's just thinking about it from a different angle. How do you actually... If we know this is how things work in physics, how do we better utilize that? What's a better solution? Truly, if you eliminate the frequency then you eliminate the bacteria itself. Is the opposite also true that we live in a world of constant exposure to, say, music and sound so are we also surrounded by things that potentially are making us sick that seem harmless?

Bart Rademaker:
Yes. Yeah, absolutely. In addition to that, it's also our own programming. Besides the actual energy that's being emitted, it's also the programming that we have. While for you, you may enjoy a certain type of music and another person doesn't, that emotional connection that they have is going to trigger a certain frequency mentally as well as emotionally in the body that could have a negative effect. But yes, everything is energy. Energy cannot be eliminated, it cannot dissipate. It just gets transferred or transformed to something else. So if everything is energy and molecules, as you mentioned, are communicating with each other in a way that we never thought, it's not just a chemical reaction, it's a quantum reaction, so then everything is going to affect everything else. It's a matter of how much it's influencing at any given moment and in addition to what are you doing yourself.

Kashif Khan:
Mm-hmm. I remember speaking to Dave once. We met earlier. We met at his conference, Dave Asprey, and I was talking about mitochondrial functio. He kind of stopped me and he said, "Wait a second. Let's stop talking about the mitochondria as our battery or energy source. It's also our signaling system." So it's how our cells are constantly in instantaneous communication not only internally but externally, meaning that safety net, call it alarm, that's looking for problems. What you're talking about, do we know how this happens the way that we know mitochondria is sort of sensing out what's going on? Is it happening at the mitochondria? Is that... Where's that receptor or that antenna where we're actually reading into frequency?

Bart Rademaker:
Well, I guess the simple response to that is that everything has an antenna. As we know, radio antennas, they send and they receive so essentially, all molecules have that ability to send and receive. As we begin to think of things differently, we begin to think of our bodies not as a set of biochemical reactions but more so in the quantum field and energy reactions and communication that happens instantaneously versus at the speed of sound or something, then we begin to recognize that we can no longer just look at, say, for example, the mitochondria as a organelle that is functioning on a biochemical level only.

Bart Rademaker:
So yes, he's right, absolutely. There is a type of energy that begins to be emitted, it's communicated and in all directions. The mitochondria will send and receive that kind of information. I guess the best way to look at it is this way, Kash, is that energy is a packet of information and then we just have to process that information or the cells have to process that information in ways that we don't quite comprehend yet. Just like your experience with your uncle and your mom, that's energy, that's information emitted in a way that we still have yet to really fully comprehend.

Kashif Khan:
Mm-hmm. Speaking of that example of my uncle, it reminds me of something that I was thinking about that maybe you may have insight into. It's kind of a combination of some of the things we're talking about. There's one thing to say that we can look at things at the frequency level and understand the mechanics of how things even exist, and so then how to target them at the existence level, like your example of Lyme. Then there's also the example of this quantum field that we're in, which, again, these guys just won this Nobel Prize for putting the science out there and it's been spoken about in quantum physics for some time but now the research has evolved and it's sort of tangible in nature.

Kashif Khan:
If you think of these two things together, which is we're in a field, we're all connected, energy is a source, to me that makes me think of remote healing. If we know the source and we know it's energy and we know it's all connected in a field and the field has no concept of call it space or time, everything is [inaudible 00:36:29] connected, then is it true that meditate hard enough, think hard enough, believe hard enough and you can remotely either deleteriously problematically cause a problem or actually support something and solve it? In theory, it seems to make sense based on everything we're talking about.

Bart Rademaker:
Well, they did a study in New York, actually, where they had in a community 10% of the people were refocusing on meditating and totally affected the way that the rest of the environment was being affected. I think the crime rate actually dropped. I can't quote exactly what study that is but I've read that. So essentially when 10% of any group begins to be mindful, begins to meditate, it's going to affect the energy of the rest, and so yeah, spontaneous healing is happening. The challenge that we have in today's world, and it's nothing new, I mean, it's centuries old, is that we're so used to a certain way of thinking and we only get it half right. The other half we only... We get it completely wrong. What happens then with that mindset, we've got something half right, we really stick with thinking, "This is the only answer," and we're unwilling to see what else is actually possible.

Bart Rademaker:
I think in this new millennium we have to begin to allow these ideas, these concepts of all these brilliant people in the past just to begin to examine what is actually possible, what else can we discover that will help us get those kinds of answers that we want and not simply rely on... What we've been relying on is, what, Newtonian physics, which relies on three things. It's materialism, reductionism and determinism, trying to distill everything to the smallest particle so that we can control it. Well, guess what? Quantum physics is not that. Again, I mean there is so much and the challenge that we have is that as a human being, we're also very driven by needing certainty because we can supposedly rely on certainty. In the medical profession, we rely a lot on certainty. I think that's oftentimes a challenge for my colleagues out there to step out of those bounds, and that was my experience too. I mean, I knew energy medicine was there but what helped me was all the science behind this. It's a lengthy answer to your question, but the truth is yes, I believe it's absolutely there and you just have to trust the process, I guess.

Kashif Khan:
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's the challenge. I mean, we're... Like when you go through training school, having things done in the sort of evidence based model or the scientific model, there's efficacy but there's also some safety. There's two things we're kind of looking at. Te efficacy part I think is being blocked by the safety part, which isn't so safe anymore anyways, right?

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
I would just urge people to go beyond and learn and listen and not wait. When I scroll online and I'm looking at articles and I'll see an article in Health magazine or CNN that says, "New study shows that people need to sleep to be healthy." If you're going to wait for that, if that's what you're waiting for, for the study that takes 30 years to figure out that yeah, if you sleep you won't get cardiovascular disease, it's... Or you can reach for valid science that just hasn't been through the process because the people that are doing it don't care if FDA agrees or not. There's great stuff out there, and really that's where the biohacking community thrives, right?

Bart Rademaker:
And for me, this is no insult to my colleagues, but I find it almost comical that all of the latest innovations have come outside of the medical field. Again, I think you placed it in position well, and that is they've got the freedom to do things and experiment and everything else. But if we go back in history, I mean, just the whole idea of washing your hands for when you treat patients, that was established way back in the 1800s when a particular doctor said, "Look, all these women are getting sick and there's a lot of these childbirths... After delivery because people weren't washing their hands." He was absolutely totally ridiculed and later found to be correct, but in the meantime he lost his reputation and I think he in fact committed suicide because he couldn't handle it.

Kashif Khan:
Wow.

Bart Rademaker:
This happens over and over again. The same thing with vitamin C to treat scurvy. I mean, there was a captain or a ship physician that discovered this and, again, ridiculed until many years later and so many lives could be saved. This is still happening today, and it's the academic think tank that says, "No, we don't want this for whatever reasons." I'm not going to go there for that, but the truth is is that there are so many solutions out there. I think you're right, we have to recognize that something is out of balance. Disease is basically a choice, and I might be offending a lot of people with that but I actually agree with you, disease is a choice. It's a matter of exploring and experimenting in an intelligent way to optimize your health.

Kashif Khan:
Amazing. Well, this conversation has been amazing. I'm also really excited to work with you because the work we're going to do together is... I mean, you are a thought leader in the space and we're going to touch a lot of people. And that's where it starts, is working with like-minded people that are willing to work on tools that they may have to pay out of pocket for, but it's a lot better to pay a little bit now than to spend your life savings on some illness that's... Literally just earlier I was speaking to someone where I was reminded that 70% of your healthcare spend is usually in the last year of your life.

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
Right, and that's the thing that kills you, which was probably preventable, as opposed to skydiving and forgetting to open your parachute, which is a much better way to go in your 90s. This was awesome. I'm really excited to work with you and bring this out there to people that think like you one step at a time. That's the only way we can do it. We're going to do it together.

Bart Rademaker:
Well, I also want to commend you and your team, and I've talked to many of them and I'm just really impressed. You're leading with the heart, which I think is so important these days. The truth is is that what you're offering is a roadmap. A roadmap for my colleagues and the consumer, the patient, to understand what their choices can be because that I found... Over the last 20 years I've been struggling with what's the real problem. The real problem is that people don't have the information that they need, either what could potentially happen if they don't change and then what is it that they can do to make that change. Then they're distracted with everything else that's happening and all the marketing and the promotions of food and lifestyle and belonging and everything else such that there's no space to make that change. What I love about what you're doing is you're actually really making that possible in such an easy way, and you're creating the baseline, the platform by which people can begin to make changes in their life that will certainly affect themselves, their future, their livelihood, their quality of life and everything else that's around them.

Kashif Khan:
Thank you, Bart. That's very kind. We lead with the heart. The heart is just your second brain, you know?

Bart Rademaker:
Right.

Kashif Khan:
You have to decide which brain to use. I remember speaking to Dr. Porter from BrainTap and he says we have three veins, the one in your head, your heart and the one in your gut, and that's where your neurons sort of independently operate, literally truly like brains. I agree with you, we... There's enough intelligence in this brain where we don't need to be distracted by this one, which is a little weaker, and it makes us do amazing things. This was awesome, Bart. Thank you for joining us.

Bart Rademaker:
Thank you.

Kashif Khan:
I can't wait for everyone to listen and learn from you. We'll connect again.

Bart Rademaker:
Thank you. Thank you so much.