The Fight for Truth
Summary
David Frum discusses the potential future under a J.D. Vance presidency, contrasting Vance's methodical, ideological approach with Trump's impulsive, ego-driven style, particularly in shaping policy and wielding power. He then speaks with Jonathan Rauch about his book "The Constitution of Knowledge," examining how societies decide what is real, the rise of disinformation as a political strategy, and the critical need for robust institutions to defend truth amidst a "machinery of lies." The conversation highlights the ongoing battle to maintain a fact-based society against authoritarian tactics and human tendencies towards comforting falsehoods.Episode description
On this episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum discusses recent questions about President Donald Trump’s health and explores what a potential J. D. Vance presidency might mean for the country. He contrasts Trump’s impulsive, ego-driven style with Vance’s methodical, ideologically driven approach, examining how each wields power, pursues personal and political goals, and shapes domestic and foreign policy. Frum explains why understanding these differences is crucial for anticipating the challenges ahead.
Then Frum is joined by Jonathan Rauch, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth. They discuss how societies decide what’s real, why disinformation has become a central political strategy, and living in a “reality-based community.” Rauch explains the dangers of the “fire hose of falsehood,” why authoritarian regimes weaponize confusion, and why, even amid today’s “machinery of lies,” reality still has the final word.
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