J. D. Vance’s Bargain With the Devil
David Frum discusses the unprecedented scale and nature of corruption in the Trump administration, framing it as extortion facilitated by pay-to-play schemes and punitive actions, unlike any previous US historical scandals. He then speaks with George Packer about J.D. Vance's political transformation, debating his authenticity, focus on 'his people' versus the nation, and role as a disciplined ideologue who may represent the future of a narrow, brutal political vision. The episode concludes with a reflection on Zbigniew Brzezinski's legacy and his belief in American ideals compared to Henry Kissinger's pessimism.