Episode description
At the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, European leaders painted the battle in stark moral terms, imposing harsh sanctions against Russia and talking about President Volodymyr Zelensky as a hero.
But as the war drags on, different conversations have taken place behind the scenes to consider what Ukraine might need to give up to achieve peace.
Guest: Matina Stevis-Gridneff, the Brussels bureau chief for The New York Times.
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Background reading:
- Countries in the Group of 7 face dueling pressures: Penalizing Russia while easing the economic pain at home.
- Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany and President Emmanuel Macron of France are expected to visit Ukraine on Thursday — but they may face a tense reception.
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