Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty eight, episode.
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This is the podcast where we take a deep dive into america shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, May twenty fifth, twenty twenty three.
National tap Dance Day, All my Gregory Hinz fans Unite, National brown bag It Day, National Wine Day, Towel Day, Geek Pride Day, which looks like it's just like if you like video games of Star Wars rise up internationally, International Plastic Free Day, among many others. So's there you go, stack, this is tap dancing gonna come back.
I feel like every time I see tap dancing in an old movie and they're really like doing it, well, I'm always like, man, that shit is cool.
Did it every goay?
I don't know if it yeah, maybe it just never went away. But like tap dancing and movies, Yeah, it was the last movie that had like a real where they just solved the conflict with some tap dance.
La la land are there tap dancing a little bit of tap dance?
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Yeah? There was price in tap dancing. That's why that's why I want to war. I mean, it's i think it's on TikTok. I've been watching there's like this black girl who's an amazing Irish step dancer and like killing it, like to the point where you're like, oh no, it's like you're changing the game of Irish step dancing. So it's it's it's alive. Well, I was saying there for the fancy footwork.
Is it'sing in the NBA, why not on TikTok. You know, my name's Jack O'Brien aka whoa never let the Zeit Gang down? That is it was just in my head this morning when I woke up collect I'm so real to be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Grad.
You know what I'm aka that also, I just thought up in my twilight of half waking up this morning and here we go. I've been thinking about you way star roll Roy Coole. I just wanted to merge you with my go Joe. Yes, I'm Lucas Madson. Oh you heard about Let's Field, do you do?
Yes?
Oh you're not think so far, because I just send my blood to Ever thinking of is I just sent my.
Blood to Ever?
Oh man, what a weird plot point for that character. But anyway, I know, shout out Frank Ocean and that had to have come from some weird CEO behavior, you know. Oh yeah, I'm sure that came out of someone's like like autobiography.
And I just thought it would be funny if I started freezing blocks of my blood and sending them out in the mail.
Yes, man, you we were just listening.
We were listening to an a cappella version of that song yesterday, and they didn't go for it. They didn't go high. They were cowards, And I was they were cowards. You nailed it. I'm so impressed.
I Look, that's one of the few things I can do sometimes is a falsetto. And I think hearing those cowards in that college a cappella group and not go for the falsetto for that's absolute spineless cowards. That's a goward. Yeah.
Fu well, Miles. A little house keeping up top. We're gonna keep telling people that we are trying a new publication schedule out for the summer.
First time in the history of the show.
We're going to scale back to a mere eight episodes a week, use that extra bandwidth to try some new episode formats out.
To kind of keep things fun. You know, you might you might hear a musical episode somewhere in the future.
Yeah, maybe we'll see. But for you the listener, the difference will be one episode on Friday, one episode on Monday, and then yeah, we'll be doing some different things on Tuesday's episode.
It's gonna be fun. I think you guys are gonna like it. You're gonna love it.
And also we are using these new formats to try and hear a little bit more from the listeners. We have great relationships with you guys on Twitter in the discord, so we want to hear from you on the show and of course in the akas where you know, the true stars of the AKA section are the listeners. But we want to hear about your jobs. We want to hear what's what's something interesting about your job, what's the craziest thing that ever happened to you on your job?
With something most people misunderstand about your job?
Hit us at.
Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter in the discord, let us know, can keep it anonymous, can.
Or or not?
We'll use your full name and social Security number whatever you want, whatever you want. Yeah, so that's a lot of housekeeping up top. Thank you to our guest for sitting patiently by. Well, we do all of that. We are thrilled to be joined by a hilarious pop culture expert who hosts the show Black People Love Paramore.
It's so quoil.
Is such a stretch. I don't even want to set that expert. I was listening to some episodes you, but thank you very I do appreciate it.
Thank you for joining us. Yeah, we're happy to have you. When did you get that? I got to ask you, when did you get the idea for the podcast? Because I remember there was like a Nylon article years ago that was like, you know, black people love Paramore and yeah, I'll tell you black and these people love Paramore too, because I fucked with Paramore heavy. You know, yeah, I.
Got the idea after that Nyline article. I'm aware of it now, but I got the idea when my roommate, a white woman who I've lived with for ten years. We don't live together now for the first year, but we did ten years ago. She said that she hated Paramour, and personally, I felt like that was anti black, and so I decided, you know what, I'm going to give us the representation we desire.
Yeah, yeah, you love Paramore. Yeah, and on the podcast, you don't you talk about many other things, so it's not always specifically like Paramore I saw it.
It's almost like never Paramore. Honestly, we talked about a whole bunch of other stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, Anime.
The Hills, the Hills, yea, the huge for Tony Hawk, Tony Hawk. Yeah, yeah, Haley too. You know I started off a Haley fan. I think also that what misery business. It just it started off in a way that I was like, what, this is a rock song and then let's go.
It has a little group to it. You get into it like oh okay, yeah yeah, exactly exactly Phil Collins. I was surprised by Phil Collins. Yes, yes, yeah.
Yeah, yeah yeah. Cool amazing.
Well, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about in the news section. Nicky Haley's transphobia is not working everywhere, work in some places, yeah, but kind of a specific take that doesn't doesn't work with independence. So we're gonna listen to some audio from a Nicky Haley.
Yeah, yeah, just working material.
We'll talk about Moms for Liberty, which you'll be surprised to learn is fascist organization that is attacking school boards.
Is like astro Turfs.
You know, bunch of dark money going into this, and how people are actually fighting back against this bull working.
Yeah. Some good news people fighting back and it's working.
Some other good news whales are fighting back or dolphins orcas are sinking boats off Portugal and unprecedented coordinated attacks. The New York Times is calling them sail boats, but there's a lot of yachts at yachts going down. Yeah, New York Times doesn't want anybody to get any class consciousness involved with us. But yeah, they're sinking big sailing vessels sometimes known as yachts. So we'll just talk about
all of that plenty more. But first, Sequoia, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Okay, so about a year ago, there was a moment that went viral that was very old. It was Elmo on Jimmy Fallon right. He was cooking and the person who voice acts Elmo slipped into the New York accent by accident. That resurface on my Twitter timeline, but it wasn't the actual clip, it was just a reference to it, so I had to go search it because it truly had me on the floor for about five days straight. When I first saw it, I thought I was gonna pee my pants.
I beg you fucking breathe.
And if I really think about it too hard right now, I'll I'll actually ruin this podcast. And sorry laughing. So yes, if you have not seen that Almo clip, the black Elmo clip, hilarious, the funniest thing. Balsamic vinegar. It's so funny.
Oh is that okay? Just how to dismiss me pointed out? Or is he he just keeps it moving.
Almo notices it and says, that's a big word for Almo.
It's by I see someone Wait if someone just doing the voiceovers onions extent from vinegar. Okay, you heard you know, Jimmy word to I need that bosomic vinegar very much.
That.
How do we get here? How did Elo get here? The garlic already started off a little garlic, it was garlic, and then it gets into balsamic vinegar and it's just hilarious. So yes, that was my most recent search.
I love the I love this one lip sync lip dub of it on TikTok where this woman is like Saint running it down and when it gets a balsamic vinish, she got a bubble goose jacket on Yeah got on Sudden? Exactly?
Is the Elmo voice somebody like from New York, like from the Bronx.
I think he was from Billy if I'm not mistaken at the time, I think Elma was voiced by a man from a black man.
From Philly that. If I'm wrong, he's actually from Baltimore.
Okay, right, m gotcha?
Gotcha? Yeah? What is something you think is overrated?
This one's very divisive. People hate me for it. Cheese cheeses, cheeses discussion and constantly I've had enough, let it go.
I love the power of this take. If it's everywhere.
If you can't cook your recipe without an abundance of cheese on top of it, you simply cannot cook and we can leave it at that.
Wait can be very fine. Oh no, walk me through this. So what are you encountering out there where you're like, what the fuck is this cheese?
I go to a restaurant I'm like, oh, can I have the broccolini? You bring me broccolini with cheese on top of it? Why is there cheese on top of my vegetable?
That I didn't want?
That very good point, like I wanted a vegetable, Like I wanted a vegetable. Why is their cheese on top of it? You bring me truffle fries. Why is their cheese on it? Because they didn't say that. I just had truffle Why why is there? Why is there cheese on my trouble fries?
I want that? Yeah, got to be in the mood.
I will, first of all gladly admit I can't cook, and that's why I do a nice layer of cheese on at like cereal in the morning.
Yeah, my god, just American cheese. Like he's putting over a dead body.
He's like, okay, if we really want to talk about cereal to putting the milk first actually makes the most sense.
Sorry, wow, talk to me about that too. No, I like, I love this. Wait, why milk first? And I love the just if.
We just want to talk about science, okay, it allows the cereal to stay crisp longer because all of it is not getting super wet. You throw the milk in first. It's cold, Okay, it has to be cold. You put the.
Cereal on the top, corn milk out at your house.
I mean, you can't even put ice and if you want, that's that's a little great, just what you could put ice in if you want, and you put the cereal on top. Also cold. I keep the cereal refrigerated so that it stays crisps a long time. Don't wet it. Yeah, you know how much milk because you've done it for your whole life. If you're meat.
Man, and then you're doing little scoops of the milk as you like pull the cereal off the top.
That down, you get it. You got the you have the drop everything this like the dry pile up top.
Basically I don't like the way that you you said that, but yeah.
Ye just very just trying to help the listeners because it's very visual. So the base layer which is contacting the milk, do you ever do you scoop from the bottom. Do you take from the bottom so it slowly like moves down, you know what I mean?
You stab the cereal at an angle so that it goes straight down. Most of perpendicular and misses. Most of the cereal gets into the milk and you pick it back up.
Okay, and you're just taking the wet layer with each bite, but it's newly wet.
And you're taking the newly wet moist layer with each bite and putting your mouth for the most desirable experience that you can have with cereal.
And what is your cereal of choice?
Captain crunch but no crunch berries.
Wow, someone's an adult.
You know, no cheese, nothing but the sea.
Yeah, keep okay, okay, okay, I see the crunch berries. All right. I feel like we've learned a lot that I I totally agree with you. Like, I am a huge cheese fan.
I love a lot of cheese on everything, but the broccolini really fucks me up. Like it broccolini does not need it. And when when they put it on, it's just it does. It's usually a sign that it's not going to be that good.
Oh my gosh. I had clam chowder recently, which one of my favorite foods that also puts cheese, but like it had like Manhattan, Manhattan.
Okay, that makes little more.
No no, sorry, the white, the white, it was like all there were cheese in it. I asked, because I could taste it, and I asked and they were like, yeah, they put a little.
Why for what? I've never heard of that at all, Like what kind of cheese, like yellow cheese, like.
The white cheese. I don't know what it is.
I guess like broccoli cheddar is a cheesy soup.
So maybe they were trying to bring But that's a that's a mess.
I was in d deservedly so.
So DC you have to answer for that.
Toe. Sometimes I'm looking at summers say that there's cream cheese and a lot of clams.
There, that it must have been cream cheese. But I've never tasted it before, and I could.
That's to the point where you're like, cheese.
Cheesy clam chowder.
Why right? I get that it's creamy obviously that's what we're gravitating towards. But the yeah, I don't, I don't know cheesy fish. Keep it cream cheese, and I'm disgusting. You know, it's like like the fish sandwich. You know what, that's cheese?
People people people say, that's that's with cheese.
Oh yeah, gotta have that. Look again, look different strokes for different folks. Yeah, you have it. I appreciate you fighting back your your desire to vomit from him saying that you're I'm happy for you though, thank you, thank you, very diplomatic answer. I appreciate that. And are you anti cheese across the board or just like on certain.
Foods across the board anti cheese. I do like fake cheeses though, like a nacho cheese sauce that you get from a movie theater, Cheetos cheese dust. You know, I like that. I love it.
I'm just look at you're like, hey, I brought out a little cheese board for y'all, and you're like, okay, over here we have our cheese. This is some loose cheeto dust. You can just get that.
I should do that for my birthday. I'm gonna host like a little thing for my birthday. I was gonna have a arhooery board. Maybe I'll put fake cheese on it just to troll people.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll bring it'll bring the elitist out of somebody, Like somebody's gonna be caught.
This is not cheese, and it's not it's not a lactose thing. Because you are one of the foremost experts in how to consume milk with cereal.
So it's you don't have a problem with lactose.
You're out here in New England clam chowder with my cereal if not an almond.
But I'll take a one percent if you have it.
Yeah, okay, yeah, keep your milk eleak.
Yeah. What is something you think is underrated?
Magnesium glyconate for sleeping?
That is so specific? God, magnesium? Sorry what glyconate?
Magnesium glyconate? Specifically, magnesium comes in different forms. You can get a bunch of different little endings. The glycier one for sleeping in particular.
Magnesium when the the number one auto complete for magnesium space and Google is glaconate. So it is it is us who are wrong, followed by magnesium and cheese, which is and cheese.
Yeah, mag and cheese. Wait, so what is what? Yeah? Tell me where where did you hear about it? What is is it? Is it for helping? Is it like a sleep aid or what's going on?
It is a sleep aid. I heard about it from the journal, the very scientific journal that I always consume TikTok and it helps you sleep, but it doesn't help you get to sleep. It helps you get into a deeper sleep once you are asleep. So my whole life, I was like, I don't really dream that often. I'll like have dreams sometimes, well like not super often, maybe
once every couple weeks. Turns out, I'm just not getting into rim sleep where dreams happen enough, or staying in m sleep long enough, and magnesium glyaconate allows me to stay into rimsleep for a long time. So once I started taking it, I started having these really intense dreams that I thought were like hallucinations. Turns out that's normal and everybody has them. I just wasn't dreaming like that before because I wasn't sleeping like that.
So, wait, would describe one of your dreams. It's like very like, Okay, I had this one. I was I had to give a speech at school.
And I'm doing No, it's nothing like that. I had a dream. Oh my god. Okay, I had a dream that one of my friends who had just gone to Europe for his birthday for a month, I was watching his location on Find my Friends, and I told him to come to where I was, and so I'm watching him cross like the boot of Italy on some some it's so random on some bridge he's going through the boot of Italy to get to me somewhere also in Europe.
Yeah, yeah, and it's like dark out.
There's like a lot of stars around. I'm with some person I don't know who they are. Stuff like that. Very just super random, but very vivid.
Dream Yeah, okay, I'm to look into that. Yeah, we're big dream heads on this podcast. There. I feel.
I feel like there are insights in there if you just like, you know, keep track of them and like, don't be too specific, don't be like, oh so I'm going to see my friend on a bridge on the boot, but like there's you know, I think there's power are there coming from the unconscious.
Part of our minds? That?
I agree?
Yeah, I think that's the most powerful thing the humans have access to if you know how to use it.
So that's cool. Magnesium glaconate against dreaming. Combine that with my th HC.
That will always Now that's the thing. I'm scared of forming a dependency, so I won't do it more than two nights in a row, So the other nights I'll do my magnesium. But yes, definitely felt.
Now the combo.
Yeah, yeah, anything I'm like, oh, this is like anti coomactic.
Yeah, magnesium and th A C.
Now I am not a doctor, so take this for what it's worth.
But whiktok, you know what I mean?
Naturally an osragonda supplement plus magnesium glacinate plus a little th HC will actually have you in a student.
You might not wake up on that.
I don't know.
Well, I'm seeing already like people are talking about combining actual GANDHA and magnesium gli. Oh, there's all kinds of stuff going.
Okay, so it's a little crazy.
Let us know, let us know if that's how you get downsik yeah, yeah, all right.
Uh, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Nicki Haley. We'll be right back, and we're back and Nicki Haley. The Republican primary has kicked off, and all of these people are in just lose lose situations because yeah, they're they're they're all going to lose.
I think they're all lose people to start off with.
But so they but they gotta they gotta get out here and try and rally the base, even though they don't believe any of this shit. I don't think for the most part, and and then but then also try and become like media darlings, and it's just it's dark. It's dark out there.
The primary is basically, though, who can be the bigger asshole contest right now? To prove to the base that you are an absolute evil doer. And like as Nicki Hayley, the former South Carolina governor, towards the country to try to make her case that she is also an inhumane monster, she's also had some time to see like what material works with certain crowds. You know, got to workshops and
jokes some material. But it's clear, right like, just like to your point in Jack, that no one is going to get the nomination unless you take a couple of these boxes. First, are you a homophobe? Transphobe? Okay? Are you racist? Okay? Do you also believe that bud Light is the true enemy of the American people? If you answered yes to these questions, then you can move to
the next round. But now, so all of these talking points, along with like the anti woke shit, they do well when you talk to a room full of people who's brains have been malformed by chronic Fox News viewing. And so I just want to. I just want to compare two audiences where Nicki Haley was just trying some material out. First, she's with a she's with some Republicans in New Hampshire. Uh, and she decides to evoke Dylan mulvaney, the trans influencer
that recently collaborated bud Light. And we are we already know about the outrage around that. So let's let's hear Nicky Haley first of all, like completely misgender Dylan mulvaney while also just going on this attack, and just see how the audience receives this, this this material.
I guess I'll call it and have any of y'all seen Dylan mulvaney?
Do you know who that is on the beer?
Let me tell you something.
I know that there are transgender people out there. That is not a transgender person. That is a guy dressing up like a girl making fun of women.
Every one of.
You women have seen that.
So that audience was fully on board with that nonsense. What what the fuck?
She thought she was doing a stand up set.
She thought that's what they all think they're doing, right, And you can tell because now now okay, now we're just we'll juxtapost that with a with a room full of independence in the same state in New Hampshire and goes along with this same nonsense transphobia and.
Just just just check out, Like is that one audience the second Nikki Haley said Dylan mulvane, people like, yeah, we know, just listen to this group of independence right now. This is her doing the same thing everybody know about.
Dylan mulvaney bud life right, Make no mistake. That is a guy dressed up like a girl making fun of women. Women don't act like that.
Hold for applause, nothing, she looks confused.
Nothing was the loudest silence, like the room tone Oh yeah, video was deafening.
Oh yeah shit. You could hear like someone's wristwatch, Like
I know, it was like super wild. So you know, again, this is just just showing you kind of like when you're in a room full of like you know, an unaffiliated independent voters, like they're not all they're not clued in on this like culture warshit like these like the MAGA room was, and it's just it just shows you, right Like this is like I think the hard part about the GOP trying to win a national election, the base feeds off of the hateful rhetoric and they need
to hear that bullshit in order for a candidate to register as like a Republican in their frame, you know what I mean, Like, oh, they've evoked like the three Hateful truths, Now I know what room I'm in. But like appealing to their base isn't enough, and so they also have to court independence, many of whom are not aware of like the woke wars happening on Fox News, and also believe in things like body autonomy or LGBTQ
rights and so. And it's funny because Nikki Haley in some rooms tries to be like, obviously, like abortion is an important topic. She's smart enough to never She's smart enough to say like, well, obviously on pro life, but also smart enough to never say what the cutoff is for whatever kind of abortion band that she would potentially enact as president, because that's just like sort of this weird middle space that they're having to occupy in terms
of like, you know, the party platform. But again, I think this is all part of why we're seeing just like this very stark turn towards fascism, because when they don't like something, they cry about it and use every tool to intimidate people and incite violence, like they did this with the election results. And as they see that, like man, our chances are fucking getting slim. If we keep saying this shit to get the base out, it's at the cost of getting a majority of people to
vote for us. So now we see now we see more and more of this same pattern beginning to play out in other places, not just like with respect of maybe school boards and things like that, but also consumer goods, right like with bud Light and now fucking Target because they're selling pride clothed, like pride clothing in kids sizes, like with stuff that says cure transphobia, not trans people, or I'm meant to be here, stuff like that, and
people are now completely the right wing's completely lost and been like it's they've caused a Satanic panic. They said the person designing it is was wearing like a Satan
shirt because it said like Satan respects pronouns. Is like one of the pictures this person's wearing, and they're like, they're a Satanists, And this is what they're trying to do through Target, where they are saying things like they are selling like tuck friendly bathing suits for kids, when they're just pointing out like extra fabric that's like in the like the bottoms of like a bathing suit.
Oh my god, it sounds like middle school conspiracy theories. It's embarrassing.
Yeah, yeah, and it really Yeah and for like all this shit that you know Niki Hayley's talking, but I was saying like because later on in that in that room in New Hampshire, she tries to pivot to say and it's no wonder why do we have like these rates of attempted suicide increasing amongst adolescent curls and trying to connect trans people to that as if like because they are making fun of CIS women and that's and it's like, no, it's because of the other ring, Like
what you're doing with trans people and other groups like that, that's what leads to people being falling into despair to the point that there they have that kind of ideation. So it's just yeah, again.
I couldn't even find it, Like I didn't know what you were implying when you were trying to explain what she was saying, because like it was such a leap I didn't know what she was trying to say at all.
Right, because it's so I think, because it's such a terrible distillation of just people being like, well they're they're biologically not that, so they're making fun of us. Yeah, and that's why I'm hateful, right, I think. I don't know, I don't know. I'm not sure.
I mean, it's like there, this is a form of something that the right has been doing for a long time, with like the you know, screaming, you know, being not the majority of the country, but being also the loudest whenever anything offends their delicate sensibilities has worked for them, you know, when it comes to like the FCC and making sure that there's no bad words said on TV, you know, they'll fucking send a massive letter writing campaign
and like that has worked for a long time. It fucking ended Janet Jackson's career, like in a.
Lot of ways, I mean had a lot to do with that, right and also less but I mean.
That's the thing is, like the these corporate CEOs are not going to be brave and stand up, Like Target removed their displays, like removing some items from its stores and making other changes to its merchandise nationwide ahead of Pride month, after intense backlash from some customers who confronted workers and tipped over to displays.
It's like, that's but I mean, I think the other thing too, is I mean, I get the position targets into because they said, right now the employees are the ones having to bear the brunt of like getting threats get So it is a difficult balance because at one point you don't want to put the worker there to be the fucking defender of your corporate values and your capitalists pursuit of like never ending dollars. But like, at the same time, I know to your point, it doesn't
help to fucking cave to these people either. Like why we just talked about this with the Dodgers. The Dodgers are about to have the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, which they're like, you know, these like drag performers who like raise raise money and you know they fucking lampooon Catholicism, because yeah, why not. And then they they said, actually, we don't want to have them because there's too much
right wing pressure. And then they finally got their shit together, like actually, no, we're going to have them back fucked that became to our senses. But I don't know how many I don't know how many times we're going to see that be the norm, right because once it happens, like it's just easier for them, like, oh well, just because like a few hundred people are sending like all kinds of violent emails and stuff where we have to cave.
And it's just not a good sign. When that becomes like the mainstream response to people voicing their homophobia and hateful rhetoric.
Yeah, this would be the time to you know, it's that it is now like that sort of loud response anytime their sensibilities are offended, Like is now you know, connected to a hate campaign that has like an actual violent political movement attached to it, that is conducting like domestic terror and openly saying hateful things out loud That used to I guess they used to probably just say like in country club locker rooms. But like, there there is a momentum to this, and we would need a
corresponding strengthening of resolve. And you know, as we're about to talk about, I think we're seeing it with some people, but looking for it from corporations. I think we're going to be disappointed because corporations are always going to triangulate to try and find like the biggest consumer group they can by not offending anybody and becoming a story.
And what we're saying here is that collective action works. So what's the best counter response to collective action? It is collective action, right, yeah, so we could all, you know, we could all get up in arms and do something that would be great.
Yeah exactly. I mean I think, yeah, it's like it's it's interest. Like on Charlie Kirk's show, he was talking about the Target thing, and he's like, this CEO of targets me he's a groomer or whatever, because look, it's projection at its finest, all right, Yeah, just just going after the CEO of Target because Target has been like, you know, they've done the bare minimum to like just
to support all of their employees. And to the conservatives, that's like they're trying to they're trying to come after our kids, the ones that I don't have because I'm so vile no one wants to procreate with me.
The ones that you don't give a fuck if they get shot or not.
Yeah, right exactly, And and but it was interesting to watch him begin to be like, you know, bud Light was like a one off, Like he was sort of starting to like throttle off the bud Light outrage to be like that was like a one time thing with an influencer. But Target, they've been doing this, They've been want to get this. I know it's it's but again, I don't know like what they always talk about, like, well, we have to stop giving them our dollars. You won't.
You won't because at the end of the day, none of this is actually like wrapped up in some real principled argument or like worldview that you're like philosophically, I can't let this happen. Y'all are just addicted to the outrage cycle to be like what who oh, fuck those guys. I'm not going to Target. Where am I going right now? Just in the Target to get something, but after that.
Just to get something right quick?
Yeah, really quick. I mean it's it's convenient. It's right there, obviously, because I live in an area where big box stores are the only place for me to shop. It's kind of been a weird bind anyway, But like that's what you're they honestly like they're saying like, oh, we took victory over bud lighter these other things. I don't know, maybe because you saw them not be as vocal, sure, but again, like they're basically terror campaign continues like.
It's about winning. It's not about any more on high ground. Like you said, it's about winning, Yeah, exactly. And here's whe wins say that I don't appreciate you think I'm stupid, don't lie to me right.
Well, because that's the thing is like their hypocrisy is all over the place that everyone's like, y'all are so dumb, like you don't believe in any of this shit. You just want to feel like you have you can get one over on people, and you just pick the weakest groups out there to do that over and over and over again.
Yep.
Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's disheartening, but there is a response. There are responses to things like this, because I don't want to just end this story by saying like what the fuck, man, look, what the fuck is going on? So you probably heard of this group called Moms for Liberty. They're the ones you see like organizing at school board school board meetings, like arms of Kimbo with like proud boys, you know, because they can't believe
some words have the word queer or sex in them. Right. Well, they've now become a national organization with over one hundred and fifteen thousand members as they say, and dark money funding because they are a five OZHO one C four nonprofit where you do not have to disclose where none of your money comes from. Shout out to the Supreme Court. Shout out to them. But it's also every political party's
favorite tool. But they were founded in Florida by this woman after she lost a school board reelection in like a very red district in twenty twenty and then just like got in her hate bag and started this group that now has like deep ties to the GOP and has been like, you know, behind a lot of book bands, Like they're the people that you really see turning up at these like school board meetings and also helping Deronda
Santis with the don't say gay nonsense. So they've they've flexed their muscle over the last year two years or so, and many other parents have noticed an uptick in this group's aggressive tactics, which is basically NonStop harassment, dosing physical threats of violence to school board members, faculty, or other parents that decide to speak up for their kids who are not like white, cisgendered, or just don't agree with
this hate group. And there's one group called Our Schools was actually formed as a response to the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally by a group of moms who felt they're, like, man, like, we can't just sit and watch and like tell our kids we did fuck all while all this shit was happening. So they like, we just want to be able to push back on whatever we're seeing, like all this ignorance
popping up in our own communities. And like again, they've been able to slowly build a group, and then once Moms for Liberty came on the scene, they've been able to actually start fighting back. So this group Our Schools, they were doing a lot of stuff, like prior to Moms for Liberty showing up, they were able to like get all kinds of more like laws passed or standards for schools for like more inclusivity and things like that. But once Moms for Liberty pulled up, a lot of
that shit has been clawed back. And they were noticing too that like in these meetings of parents that were speaking out against some of these like more inclusive policies. They're like, I've never even seen this person before. They're like, yeah they have. Like some people they said, okay, they just were not involved at all in like school board
politics until this group. But then other people saying like they're people were coming in from like way out of town who are like, they don't even have kids in the district and are speaking up as if they are. These people, like as if they are a concerned parent, which leads a lot of people to be like this is just fucking AstroTurf bullshit. But yeah, it's caused like
a lot of pushback. And there's another group that called Defense of Democracy who they again saw these Moms for Liberty people showing up and being like Christ is king over at all our children. They're like, oh, not to know, no, not going to do that. And they began just very simply organizing other parents that they saw who were like this is kind of fucked up and like scary, and I don't like this shit, but I don't know where
to start. So they started doing house meetings and then they were able to like once the a wave of school board elections happened in November. They were able to get a ton of these Moms for Liberty candidates defeated because they just drew attention to what they were going on about, even though they said, I'm here to protect our kids. This is a quote from one of the founders quote. We treat Moms for Liberty like the KKK.
If you knew that a KKK meeting was happening in a church down the street from your house, everyone would be alarmed. We would be picketing, we would be protesting, we'd have a petition, and that was exactly what we do. Nice there, it is nice, Yeah, just showing up and
guess what. As a result, this has actually made an impact. Now, Moms for Liberty like they're they're like they're on the defensive now, trying to be like, no, we didn't say that, We never said any of that, because they know how extreme they look when people are just like have you heard what they say? And they began to lose a
little bit of influence. Not to say that they're defeated, but more as more parents are informed about their endgame, like it's gotten to the point where the main sort of headquarters of Moms for Liberty are telling all these subgroups, hey, tone down the fucking the hate shit, try to be say the thing that we keep saying, be respectful, please,
please please. And that's just from other parents organizing enough to be like, wey' all need to know what these people are actually about, because it's not protecting our kids. They're on there. They have a fascist agenda that they're trying to bring into our schools and not just not just come after like non CIS kids or whatever. They don't even want white kids to learn about the history of the United States because you know, we don't like the truth around here. Yeah, I mean.
It feels like this is a bad look for the Republican Party being affiliated with the shit, and like it just it feels like this is, like you said, AstroTurf. There's a lot of money behind it because this is where like the right wing and where like the billionaires actually like want things to head is in a more authoritarian direction because they don't like anything that's going to take away their power and so there's a ton of
money behind it. But I feel like there aren't people that many people behind it, Like they don't have the numbers and we kind of saw that in the midterms. I'm hoping is kind of what we saw at the beginning, like the beginning of a movement to just treat this the way that like it common sense, Like most people
are just like that is fucking crazy. We don't want to be against this like hateful bullshit where we have to like learn which corporations we have to like pick it and you know, not use because of like some intricate ideology that you guys are creating on the fly that like comes from a place of hatred, you know, right, Yeah, it's I don't know, but there's so much money, and money is important in this country the thing.
Until we kill the money being the be all and all in this country, everything's going to continue going to shit unfortunately.
Because what's happened is right groups like our Schools, which is the group fighting Moms to Liberty, now they are starting their own five oh one c four basically to fight fucking fire with fire, Like okay, bet we can get donors too, and we can also obscure that too, so they don't get harassed and shit in a way to start a pack and they can start putting money into campaigns and actually like identifying school board candidates that need to be elevated and pushed back against the Moms
for Liberty nonsense. And it's wild too, because lawyers for Moms for Liberty have tried to stop the activities of these grassroots like counter movements by like hitting them with like thumb cease and desist orders where they're like, you are defait. You were actively defaming Moms for Liberty, and they're like, we are, Actually, I'm sorry, by pointing to other parents to their own documented statements like right, I'm just faming us with direct quotes.
Right, I forgot what the end game is supposed to be.
Right, do you don't even know how the do you know what defamation is? Okay? But and so a lot of them are like, okay, miss me with these like spooky like legal letters because at the end of the day, they feel that they're on a path rightfully to combat this hate. But it's like but again, I think the big thing too to notice is a lot of these
other groups, like Defending Democracy, they lack funding. They don't have the same kind of funding, and that's what they're having to contend with is a lot of like well funded astro turf people who again are able to court real life parents obviously, because that's how all this shit works, is to be able to counter that is like really tough. But the good thing is a lot of parents have been reaching out to them from across the country asking, I got this shit going on in my county? How
do I fucking like, what do y'all do? Like what is the playbook here? And that message is beginning to spread like bit by bit, so you know, just a bit of more heartening news to know that, like while a lot of the attention goes to these like these the loudest, most hateful like stochastic terrorist groups, there are plenty of people like in this country that are still just terribly fucking disturbed by what they're doing and are
organizing themselves against it. And that's what it seems to be the effective thing is you know, collectively fighting back.
Yeah, they've had this insurgency set up for a while because they have been you know, the extreme right. So they have the donors like they have, they have the money channels and all all the like dark money set up, and I feel like people who want to fight back against it, just like are too used to just being like, well, the Democratic Party is going to do this, and it's like, no, we never fight like an insurtent.
They did not, they did not. We need to fight like a insurgent, an insurgency and you know, get grassroots and yeah, because correct action. At the end of the day, it's it's it's it's it's gonna boil down to class. Like as much as you think they got a D by their name that they're going to stand up for you, I've seen it for decades now. Yeah, where it's a it's a fucking shell game of oh yeah, we got your back. Oh whoops did we say that? Nah? Nah not bad. A vote for us though, or else these
fascists might take over. You don't want that, right, Okay.
That's the whole thing. Like, I feel like everything has to crumble before anybody gets the point, whether it's more modern Republicans or Democrats, everything kind of has to crumble. Everybody has to suffer or if there's no consequences and people don't actually see things taking place that are affecting them and people they directly know, and so nobody does anything right, hate it. Let me know when the revolution starts.
Right, I mean it's true, Like, I mean, that's I think, especially America, right, It's like we have to get fully burned on the stove to realize, oh, it's hot, fucking children. Yeah, it wasn't enough that everybody's been telling you this and you know, like and it's it's sad though too to see like to your point, right, until that shit comes to your doorstep, A lot of people don't fucking get
the picture. But even like with the recent like the recent shootings, you saw governors who knew victims in these mass shootings and they were still like, yeah, I don't know, that's right. Kind of suck though, But I'm I'm so entrenched in this like ideology of like guns being like second to God that I'm just gonna kind of sit on my hands, even though I know first hand of the violence step of fel people.
I knew how scary.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean now that active shooter drills are part of most schools in the country because they have to be. I think again, you're going to see some natural people kind of voting against this bullshit. But I think it's not enough to just vote against it, especially when the only two options are Republicans and Democrats.
There needs to be direct action at some level. Yeah, there's either like you can either vote status quo or regression. Right, yeah, that's really it. No one's offering a path forward, right, And someone.
Was, but they just couldn't get past of.
Course, right. Yeah, yeah, because again the status quo will do whatever it has to to form arms against anything that looks like progress. And then you know, that's why, and that's why this year's Democratic primary is starting in South Carolina to stack the deck for Joe Biden already and scare off anybody who might challenge old Joe branded.
But but it's like wild though too. Like it's I think, just like with Republicans who are so out of touch, they're like, well, these people love this shit and they think it's a platform, ye like, but it's really just like you got these people really turned up for whatever the fuck. Like in the same way, Democrats are completely unable to understand what the stakes are for normal people. And like I say this all the time, I think the poorest person a Democratic senator knows is one of
their aids that works in their office. Yes, right, and that's that's their view into the fucking real world and they're.
Like, oh god, and the aids are poor, yeah, which is which is why you see it like, because that's why a lot of people of color are actually unable to be congressional aids because they make nothing.
It's just like same thing with unpaid internships that naturally, well healthy people are the only ones that are going to take those jobs because they'll be like, Okay, I got your rent while you're working on the hill. Don't worry about that. It's just very difficult. Yeah.
I've worked in Washington, DC for a little bit, and I think I was making like thirty thousand dollars, right, I was doing it, and that was twenty sixteen. What was I supposed to do with thirty thousand dollars in twenty sixteen?
Not exactly. I think, Yeah, if anything, force you out of the job, be articulate. Right here we are. Yeah, that's why they're Hey, that's why they're also trying to unionize as well, you know, because even congression lads, you're.
Like, what the fuck is this collective action? I'd love to see it there you go?
All right, Well, speaking of direct action, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about some whales or I guess large dogs. They were taking some collective action, for sure. They were taking yeah, all about it all.
Yeah, we'll be right back, and we're back, and there's a story making the rounds. The levels of detail and implied agency by the killer whales and like motive are different from article to article, like the New York Times
weighed in yesterday morning with their take on it. So broadly, what broadly it's Orca's fighting boats is a pod of workAs continues to attack and ram and fuck up sailboats that they encounter, and the behavior is kind of what that All the articles emphasize the behavior just came out of nowhere, like as if we should have expected a note from the Orcas giving fair warning. But it kind of can't started. Nobody's seen this sort of behavior from workAs,
but it started in twenty twenty. So far three boats have been sunk in the last year, and the New York Times basically gave this the nothing to see here,
They just play too much. Take like literally, they were like they're just playing so that they referred to the crafts as sailboats, even though a bunch of them are yachts and said there's no explanation, but quoted people saying it's probably not payback for a boating encounter, which it had been something that scientists had suggested, and that it's unlikely to spread further than this pod. They're like, yeah, they're teaching each other, but they're probably not gonna like
teach orcus elsewhere in the ocean. So it almost felt like it was an article like trying to calm down people with yachts, which.
Got to keep right. Yeah, and this article is sponsored by orcer Proof Boats. The article was.
Actually it did have an article that was like propane a huge step forward in the path to zero carbon emissions.
It's just the New York Times. Man. There they are so just hand in hand with the energy industry.
This is currently payback for warming the oceans. They're mad, they aren't going to read it. I know how they know that they're not going to read it. We don't know that they're mad.
So, yeah, there are some of the most they're pretty intelligent, like they'll get on whatever Discordica or Twitter or whatever they use to Yeah.
Yeah, I mean the thing that they're not denying is that some of the behavior is being taught between the Orkapod, which is crazy, and the behavior is attacking yachts, is attacking large sailboats. The Telegraph, who I tend to trust more than the New York Times because they're not inside the US and inside the oil industry as much as the New York Times. But they gave a more exciting rundown that I appreciated. They were like, there's this one girl, White Gladys, and she is on the one because she
fucking hates boats, because they fucked with her. Probably at some point I'll just read from a quote from again, this is the Telegraph, not like the Daily Mail or one of the Sun tabloids. The Sun avengeful killer whale called Gladys is teaching gangs of orcas to attack yachts around Gibraltar, and has already struck three boats, sinking two of them. It may read like something out of Mobi Dick, but in this case the truth is stranger than fiction.
Researchers believe that a female orca called White Gladys is seeking revenge after being traumatized by a collision with a boat or being trapped in illegal fishing nets. Her attacks are now being copied by the rest of the nearby killer whale population, which has learnt how to ram vessels.
From their ring leader. Wow, that's that's how you tell that story. Wow, let them know. Yeah, I like this.
White Gladys who came up with that?
Gladys? Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I want to know which science just like that's white gladdye right, white Gladdice Lady, that's that's Gladys. White in the pods with the quote.
So they actually quote the same people from the New York Times article, but they like us better parts of the quote, like one of the people's Like I kept reminding myself we had a twenty two ton boat made of steel. But seeing three of them coming at once, quickly and at pace, with their fins out of the water was daunting. I couldn't believe it when I saw them. We were sitting ducks. Oh hell yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, that's that's what.
It feels like. It goes A clearly larger matriarch was definitely around and was that was almost supervising.
Yeah, so it's time to say we're all team Orcas, right oh.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we love yeah, oh yeah, we stand with the based orcas.
I would hate humans too, I get it.
Yeah, the two little workAs observe the bigger ones technique, and with a slight run up, they too slammed into the boat. And then they talk about May twenty twenty one boat getting banged up so bad by these workAs that it sunk. Definitely feels like a trend. Yeah right, I don't I don't know if it's like specifically they're like, fuck, they're really fucking it up. We need to start taking
taking action, maybe inspire something on their part. Probably not, but the fact that it's I don't know, it's really cool, and it sends a clear, if accidental, nevertheless poetic message at a time when humanity needs to start ramming yachts, either literally or figuratively.
Take inspiration from the yachts. Yeah, please my proletarians. Yeah, we will fucking smash them. Oh man, it's it's yeah. I'm like, really, I really need it to be that the orcs know what time it is. Yeah, even though it's not, I don't know. I don't Again, I don't want to. I don't want to just like knee captain there and and and say that they don't know what
they're doing. But wouldn't that be some ship like if that Like, I don't know, this is a this is a very interesting beginning of a movie, right yea that yeah, I've been waiting for them all to just like get together and turn it like like the birds, but just all animals are just like, all right, we got we gotta get the get these people the funk out of here, right, I'm done with them fucking fucking with us, man. Yeah, let's go. Let's go watch you up all the wires. Yea.
These crows, we know, crows communicate and teach each other's ship like let's go. Yeah, scary right yeah, and yet I would be watching it eating popcorn and be ye static. But jack, you know any think of the yacht owners though I know it was dawning for this woman to see the orcas coming at full speed. We were just trying to move our boat because we're doing some light tax evasion. Right, I am daunted.
I feel done a little money laundering.
That's it. Yeah, that's it. And then oh the orca is now look at the cops.
Now, come on, but they're not anyways, So we'll keep monitoring this story and hopefully has it.
Hopefully White Gladys come on the show. Yes, tell your side, White Gladys. I want to know if White Gladys's manager is out there, just you know, hit us up. We love to have on the shot. Yes, with death Row Records, Well, Sequoia, such a pleasure having you on the zeitgeist. Where can people? Where can people find you? Hear you all that good stuff?
You can hear me on my podcast Black People Love Paramore. You can find me across all social media platforms at Sequoia, be Homes or at BPLP pod across all social media platforms.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
I have been enjoying every single Renaissance footage that I've seen, against my will, but very much kind of happily.
Okay, are you are you? Are you in to see the tour? Yes?
I am going to the stut Temper show.
Is it?
Are you one of the birthday shows?
It is not the birthday show. She put the Birthday show on the lineup after I had already gotten the tickets for the September, so I'm really annoyed.
Yeah, yeah, I hear that. You think Kendrick will come out.
I do wish think you're just gonna come out? Yes, absolutely, I think it might be for the birthday show though, so I don't know.
Ah yeah, okay, okay. And also I just have to ask you, do you think Beyonce has a burner? Because that's how everybody flipping out about how she was doing heated on the on the on the Club Renaissance stage.
Hell yeah, she has a burner. Yeah, absolutely, they have to.
I can't. I can't live in a world where these people don't have burner accounts to know. Like, even though I would deify Beyonce like she's above wanted to know what the fuck people think about her, part of me knows she's still as.
A mom, giggling at memes on her burner account, getting on Blue Iby's nerves.
I know, amazing. Miles, where can people find you? What is the work media you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also find Jack and I on our NBA podcast, Miles and Jack Got mad boosties or sad boosties because my Lakers, you know, But that's fine. I'm very zen about it. I'm very zen about we did very well. Actually, I got to say I was not expecting us to do that well.
And also, if you like ninety Day Fiance and terrible trash reality show, and catch me on my other show with Sophia Alexandra for twenty Day Fiance, So you know what time it is. A tweet I like is from Hugh Moore at Hugh Underscore More, who tweeted Lebron never went to college. He could just go play with his son at USC then retire mission accomplished. Yeah, some people like speculating what his NI deal would look like. Oh my god, just do it? Fine?
Why not?
I love that. I love that movie Lebron James goes back, goes to college, back to Yeah, just document every second of that. Release the documentary. It's like back to School Part two Lebron and shit.
Yeah, oh I love that The hype tweeted Isaac Newton, Hey, what the hell stop that me throwing apples at his head?
What other theories you're hiding in there?
You piece of shit?
That one really got me.
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Song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what's the song you think?
You do?
You know all that UK drum and bass sound is so super big, you know, the artist like Pink panthersts Nea Archives, people like that. There's another artist I just found called you Nay pink Who who is half Malaysian half Irish and got like the you know, just just loving this like revival of like the UK rave sound. And yeah, this is her track called Bluff and it's got great you know, great little little bounce to it
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