Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty nine, Episode three of day production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America share consciousness. And it is Thursday, June first, twenty twenty three, Gemini Season, Gemini Season.
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Also, hey Jack, just want to say looking great today because it's National Say Something Nice Day. It's also National hazel Nutcake Day. It's Global Day of Parents. Shout out all the parents out there. And also for me, National gold barefoot Day because I seldom wear shoes unless I have to. World Reef Awareness Day, World Milk Day, pen Pal Day, Nail Polish Day, Heimlich Maneuver Day.
It all happened. Shout out to the Heimlich Maneuver. Yeah, that's a that's a good I don't remember if it was Radio Lab or This American Life, but it was like one of those good formative podcasts. Not taking podcasts with they like run through the history of the Heimlich maneuver. And it was like, yeah, man, people when they choke, when they were choking in a restaurant before you were
just like there you go, guy, I guess. And then like the Heimlich thing came in like mid twentieth century or so, and I think into like the sixties seventies era, and and then he was like on the all the late night shows and stuff being like, guys, this is going to save so many lives, and sure enough, but then you kind of let the power God destroy him. Anyways, by the way, really, I know, do you believe it? Gemini season starts May twenty first, Okay, end's June twenty first, So we've been in.
We've been in it.
Okay, I thought about all the Gemini. It is the my attraction to the number of geminis that the world throws in my life. That is the one thing that makes me believe him.
The last few people that I dated were yet then the Gemini can zone like it's these next, because cancer's next right after? I think, so, yeah, I think that's right.
Yeah, Yo, Leo, which is name, My name's Jack O'Brien aka. I have to build a damn Kazama beaver. A beaver is courtesy a yobro on the discord who said, heard the guys talking about making up words for kids songs in the intro today, my eight year old recently came up with this to the tune of Imagine Dragon's Believer, which is, by the way, the most popular song with children in that age range. Like my five and seven
year old are real dragonheads, imagine heads. I don't know what they're called, but anyways, Yeah, so shout out to you. Shout out to the young weird al yank vicks out there. My kids are in a phase where they like fart songs. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, songs made of that use the fart as a primary instrument. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host mister Miles Graun Wild Creak.
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I was on Francesca Furentines podcast Bituation Room. Yes Yeah, which is like a live stream, somebody came on and said they were there for my plumpers, and it was like right after I had jumped off, and she was scandalized and did not know what that meant and was grossed out and just a just a word.
Did you even tell people you're gonna be on Situation Room?
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Or maybe probably Francesca did because she she promotes A guess, Yeah, because I was curious. I'm like, did someone just like I'm on plump Watch.
I totally forgot I was gonna be on it until we started recording yesterday and I was like, oh, anyways, Miles, little house keeping up top. For the first time in the history of this show, we're trying a new publication schedule for the summer. We're gonna be doing a me re eight episodes a week. We're gonna try some new episode formats out some expert episodes. We're gonna hear from some listeners, talk with some of you guys. So that will be the new format. Will be Tuesday mornings episode.
There will be one episode on Friday, one episode on Monday. But yeah, and we're still taking anything anything interesting you can tell us about your job. We've gotten a lot of great. Yeah, we've got people who worked at CERN. We know, we've got some really smart, impressively interesting.
To the point I'm like, I'm like, I don't want to talk to them. They're gonna fucking make me feel dumb. Fuck.
Yeah yeah, no that that person will not The person who's worked a certain will not be on the podcast. There's also people with like really boring sounding jobs, but who have really interesting things to say about it. Yeah, the listeners. Yeah, all right, Miles. We're thrilled to be joined by a brilliant journalist, storyteller, ceo podcast host whose most recent show, Silence the Radio Murders, can be found everywhere.
Fine podcasts are Please welcome back to the show. Ah, it's Lassia, thank you.
Thank you so much, Scheck, and it was very nice to be back.
It's wonderful to have you.
Great to have you. Where are you coming to us from?
Has I am coming into you from the JV Soho House which is called Soho Works. It's a coworking space with a Soho House branding, but we work way of Life. Oh so there's quite a lot of activity around me, so I hope there's no audio bleed as we say in the industry, Did.
You say you're coming into us from? Is that.
Or I feel like that's I feel like that's they always said it on news broadcasts back back into the day, coming into you from It does sound a bit lewde now you mentioned.
Yeah, it sounds awesome. I love it. I wish that was an American thing too. That rules awesome. Yeah. Yeah, we were just talking about Soho House works, which is like there, we work, but fancier I guess than we were.
What's like the membership annually to like Soho House? It was like, no like for it.
More than that the global domination plans. It's funny. I was with an Italian friend and Soho Soho House has belatedly opened in Rome and everyone in Italy is very excited. And they have a global no nuts policy in so House because of nut allergies, and apparently now it's becoming very chic at parties in Rome not to serve nuts because that's what happens it so had.
Wow, that's the influence. Amazing, quite amazing.
Let's see, if you got the all houses option and you say you use the main.
What you need, Yeah, you got to you gotta go everywhere. Well, I'm gonna be in Rome this weekend for a night, and I'm not gonna stop at the Soho House.
Are you under twenty seven? That's a question. Annual cost oh four ninety nine dollars.
No, I hastened to add fool so who works?
Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course.
Yeah.
It's always funny to see because like every time i've I've been to like the Soho House in La for like an industry thing, I'm always amazed at the people. I'm like, wait, people are paying money to be here, like yeah, in here, okay, Okay, I mean I get it because it's so industry, like it's so tapped in, Like I know that La people are like they just want to be up in it wherever. But gotta say, it just feels like, uh, I don't know, like and you know.
That anecdote I always tell about Tom Cruise coming up the stairs while I'm coming down, and he's just like hovering like a vampire above this there. He just like seems to be off the ground, like his height is not the thing you notice. The thing you notice is that he he like moves around like Doctor Manhattan with just like sheer charisma that happened at a Soho house. I don't belong to the Soho house, but I know people who do.
That's where you see things.
That's where you see shit like that.
Oh wow, it costs so much more if you're under twenty seven. Okay, they treat it like a rental car. They're like, if you're under twenty seven, we don't want you in our exclusive.
Yeah.
What do they think's gonna happen? That you're gonna miss all over the furniture because you're a baby.
That that is gonna happen. Actually, uh would have for me as a twenty seven year old. Oz. You have a new show about murders that happened in the eighties in Miami. Not surprisingly cocaine not far away from it the CIA. But what Q you tell us a little bit about about the show? What interested you about this story?
Yeah, So the show is called Silence the Radio Murders, and it's about the unsolved murders of four radio DJs or radio journalists in fact, in Miami in the early nineties. And what's kind of interesting is that all of the crimes were treated basically individually and the victims were perhaps predictably smeared as being involved in drugs, which they weren't. They were all Haitian exiles who'd moved to Miami fleeing
the Duvalier regime. And the killings happened at this incredibly hopeful moment for Haiti, when they had their first ever democratically elected president in nineteen ninety one, and these guys in Miami were using their radio shows to promote this president, Aristide, to raise money for him, to mobilize the community, and then they got murdered one by one. And in the meantime,
there was a military coup that overthrew Aristide. The military figures who led the coup, it turned out later, were all on the payroll of the CIA at the time, and also major knarco traffickers. And the radio guys in Miami were calling us out on the airwa when they got killed. So I read a report that my co host Anna Rana wrote about the crimes in the early nineties where she called for a federal investigation, where she said, this is basically an outrage. And I called her up
and I said, whatever happened, and she said nothing. So we started working on this podcast together.
That Yeah, it's just when listening to it, like it's there are those tragedies of history when the people are you know, fighting for human rights and you know, trying to speak out in favor of justice and they get killed and the killer's goal is just like achieved, like that, they're silenced and they get forgotten, forgotten, and like we've seen that a lot in the US with people like Fred Hampton and you know, Malcolm X and who are killed before they're able to have like the massive impact
they surely would have. And yeah, it's wild that you found an example like that that is just still unsolved, which I guess that's also the case with Fred Hampton and Malcolm X.
But yeah, and this is a small community. I mean, this is little Haiti in Miami, which at the time had about sixty thousand people. So if you kill four of the most vocal of those sixteen thousand and no
one is brought to justice. Unfortunately, it works. And what's particularly bitter is I would say that the guy Fritz Daor, who was kind of the leader of this group, who was the second person to be killed, he actually fled Haiti on a boat because he'd won this national competition to be a school principal, but he refused to accept his award on stage with baby doctor Valier and basically had to flee. He was on a boat for fourteen
days over he arrived on the December twenty sixth. I think the boat was almost smashed to pieces by a storm.
He got to.
Miami and he thought, okay, well, I had leave my family behind, had to leave everything behind. But at least here I can speak freely and call out the reasons why I had to leave. And of course he was wrong.
Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a pretty bracing kind of portrait of like what it's like to live under dictatorship. And like there's a part where like baby ducks like henchmen just show up, like start appearing in Miami and everyone's like, oh.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
I mean like he has like literal henchmen, like like foot soldiers. Yeah yeah.
They were basically spies, and they compiled this thing if ocraatically known as the Black Book, which had the names of the most vocal enemies of the regime in Miami, and it was reported back to to Haiti and you know, go figure, wow.
Yeah, the Cia think, yeah, they had a hand in that, huh.
Especially I mean like when you look at the history of Haiti of like you know, the like one of the only place to like sort of liberate themselves and then the backlash that's happened in the form of like just financial terror. Uh yeah, I'm like, oh in the sea Okay, Yeah, they're also part of that to sort of maintain that that pain campaign.
Yeah, all right, os, We're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. The Republicans are mad at Kevin McCarthy for refusing to destroy the economy and like a bunch of jobs and stuff because it's what they're doing good for presidential election.
They don't know what a default is, but they like the word. That's one thing I've got it, Like, well, it should have default. They're defaulting on the default, and that's the good default. So my default here is that we should be defaulting. So well, we'll just talk about the fallout from the potential deal. Taylor Swift concerts are
causing mass amnesia. Apparently this is just a weird story that as somebody who has suffered from, like I don't know, like weird little bit bouts of memory loss, especially in the past like five seven years. This was really interesting to me because there's like psychology today articles about like what could be the cause of this and how memory works, and a lot of the ways that they're saying memory works is not like what I what I was taught.
And it has nothing to do with her fans trying to like memory hole like that she's with Matt Heally.
No, it seems like it has more to do with than the concert itself being so blissed out by the concert that they can't truly like the great of the best. This all might be a viral marketing stunt for the Taylor Swift tour.
It's so good you won't remember.
It's so good it will obliterate your frontal lobe, whichever lobe stores memories. Uh, we're gonna talking about eighty three year old sex machine. Al Pacino is expecting a new baby. Oh no, I have a loose theory about the Pachio Pacino de Niro Pachiero. I like THEO I ship them. That's my loose theory. I ship them. I want them to be to get uh no, that like they're competitive with each other. And that's why he's having a baby at eighty three because de Niro just had a baby,
right basically, Okay, all of that plenty more. But first, as we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history.
Well, I recently got married tokay, thank you so much to German woman, and so I've been trying to learn German. I do weekly an hour a week on Zoom.
And so my.
German teacher said, I think you're ready to graduate from ABC's and so she instructed me to google Deutsche Krimmi's which means a German crime mysteries. And so I ordered a German crime mystery book for beginners and excitedly tore it open from the Amazon packaging and then unfortunately couldn't understand single words. So it's a very disappointing experience.
Exactly.
I was like, Okay, I'm ready for the big leagues now, sadly not, but hopefully one day I'll be able to understand my crim Do you.
Start with like teenage young adult crime novels when like you're learning a new language, are they like, all right, here is the equivalent of like Judy Bloom, you're gonna need big words, like the font size to be big and the words to be small.
Embarrassingly, these are actually made for beginner German learners, so I should really build understandard. But it was truly devastating me underwhelming experience of encounter with my language skills. I just I love the like the enthusiasm, like, yes, here we go, I've graduated.
I'm telling it this.
You're like not inmmune, oh no.
He's actually I was like, I was like, I don't really understand any of the vocabulary. She's like, that's okay if you have to, if you have to look up like one in every ten words, I was like, it's more like one in every two.
I'm actually sobbing over the book right now.
Yeah, but I'm looking forward to the memory memory conversation because Apropos europe plasticity. It's definitely much harder than it was in high school. It's one thing I've learned about learning.
Because you're you're a polygulad, aren't you? Are you bilingual?
Not a polyglot at all? No, but I learned frank Spanish in high school and it was definitely way, way easier.
Florence, Southern California.
Yo, Tamby, Tamby brother, what is something you think is overrated? Well? I was.
I was racking my brains on this and and and actually, Myles, your comment about wearing shoes really resonated with me. I
actually hate wearing shoes. I was reminded being in this last bowl that so her works of a. I used to work for a branding and strategy agency and we had a meeting that I thought went quite well, and then my boss called me into a one on one huddle afterwards, which I wasn't sure what the message was going to be, but he was like, we all saw you, including the carrying your shoes around outside the meeting room. Please please, at work, always take your shoes on. I
was like, you know what, very embarrassing but probably fair enough. Wait, so were you going like sockless? Like full on socks? I had red socks, which is a terrible British habit, and just just thinking, I was, you know, nice wondering shoes and the other which I feel like like I get.
Sometimes when y'all take my shoes off. I've been in that place. I'm like, we get these shoes off, and then like I'll walk to like the office kitchen and like my socks and I but the only time I remember getting in an eye because I've been in a similar situation, for like, you're not wearing shoes, I'm like, you look like I'm in bare feet. Yeah, yeah, like different, it's different. I'm at least respecting, like I'm having some
kind of foot covering on. I just don't like the structure of my shoe and it's more comfortable, So please leave me alone and I'll go back into my office and look at Reddit.
That's one of the the always that were articles every summer, which is like what's the correct etiquette on the airplane based on the frontline experience of the cabin attendant to host or hostess, And the advice is always you are to see your shoes off, but not your socks, but you have to tat your shoes back on before you go to the bathroom, which I'm I'm off.
Seam to do.
Yeah, you don't want to wear towels on your feet to go into a bathroom. That's what I look, that's what a sock becomes at that point. But yeah, I'm I'm like looking, there's a fly flying around.
Here, and I thought there was a bird in the mouth.
No, I'm about to Clyde Fraser this motherfucker like I might.
Around in your hand than release just.
Release it back in the room and let it start all over again. But no, I am.
Big shoes on energy just for everyone that I have ugly feet that smell bad. Okay, So I've always kept my shoes on, and I've always looked upon people who just sit down on an airplane and take their shoes off with wonder and.
Well, my ship smell good, So I don't. That's I'm never uncasing some stinky feet. I'll keep the socks on because it's cold on the airplane, like people who go bare feet in the fucking plane. No, that's a violation. I will say that that is a violation, an FAA violation.
Yeah.
Yeah, I cleared.
Out an entire dorm floor in basketball camp when I was like twelve years old with like my my socks. Oh no, like that happened to it, like like the other wing of the dorm. There's so much What is that.
Ship that happened to me in fifth grade? Not me but a kid in my school we went to this like camp and like we were in these dorms and his shoes smelled so fucking bad, like everyone lost their minds and it kind of turned into like a low key bullying thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, like yo, this was like a crazy s and it was like he cried and ship and I remember like, ah, damn, I'm glad my feet don't smell because how they get you.
Yeah, it was definitely formative. And that's why I wear boots to bed and when I sleep, I keep my boots on.
I know.
That's I remember when we were on tour once You're like, hey, do you have a like some garbage bags and duct tape?
What? I Yeah, I will frequently, even if you're in a hotel with like the little the windows that only open a crack, I will hang my socks out the window. I spy the foot spray because I do, and they're actually not that bad anymore. It's just but I'm pretty self conscious about it.
Right, But the pain has already, the trauma has already. The pain is.
What's something you think is underrated?
Well, I think it's a music to the ears of our overlords. iHeart radio, but I'm going to say broadcast radio.
Because because AM radio brought the rise of the far right in America or that.
That is that is that that is that is probably sadly true. But but on the other hand, the transitionor radio in Latin America I think was a big driver of of of different leftist revolution and in Haiti radio
was absolutely huge remains huge. And so when these victims of these crimes arrived in Miami, it was kind of interesting because there were these broken radio stations where different communities could basically buy airtime by the hour, and so you would have like a cookout or you know, whatever else, and these Haitian arrivals basically started buying airtime and using the airtime to play music and stuff, but also to report on what was going on in their community in Miami,
which was completely overlooked by all of the mainstream news outlets, and also to call out the abuses and what was going on at home in Haiti. And so it's pretty cool just I mean, obviously it had a very tragic ending, but the idea of being able to take this like mass media tool into your hands and turn it into a weapon was kind of cool. And literally one of the sources said, you know, they had the guns, but
we had the microphones. And so I was pretty inspired by just hearing about how this exile community found the only broadcast and communication technology available to them and users a tool to organize and to call out abusis and stuff. So yeah, I thought I learned a lot about the history of radio reporting the show and some inspiring stuff in there, alongside the obviously hellish healthscape of AM radio and conservative talk, which.
Yeah, why is it all conservative shit in the US? Do you have theories on that after doing the reporting on like how it operates in other countries?
I guess conservatives much as love that crackling cracking at the AM dial. No, it's a really good question. I don't know. I mean, I think it's you know, I guess the conservative answer maybe something like it was hard to get booked on mainstream media before Fox, and so like AM radio was the only place they could be. And in fact, I think it wasn't like somebody was.
I think I think it read something. Maybe it was when I was preparing to come on your show last time when you got sick, Jack, But it was about was it Tucker or somebody else complaining about how electric cars didn't have AM radio dials, and this was isn't the soul some conservative values? That was something which obviously I don't think is the reason they don't have AM radios right in electric in electric vehicles. But it's but it's it's it's it's a very you know, cheap and
efficient communication mechanism. And yeah, I guess one way you can reach an audience without having to like participate in any system.
Yeah, right.
And I think the other thing is that like AM radio lends itself to like the call in style like talk radio, whereas FM doesn't, and that is like like those dynamics like just in the market of it, just it becomes a completely different animal. Yeah, you know, like that's like why you get Russian Limbaugh and like that
whole that whole kind of thing. We're just like you, you're now doing this whole You're performing for just a gigantic audience constantly, rather than like being casey ks and popping in between like hits.
The leftists are also not frequently booked in mainstream media and also disenfranchised. And yeah, it's an interesting question.
I mean, I guess democracy democracy now is a radio call in show, but I don't know if that's AM or fmd FM.
Yeah, yeah, MPR, I guess might be the sad answer to the question of you know, well, but.
It was interesting at the time they were they were both. They were like promitory and anti military radio stations, and the anti military radio stations were way more popular, and the anti military broadcasters actually like successfully organized a boycott and got the pro military broadcast has taken off the AM dial in Miami, and that's when things really started to go like into overdrive, and like they were getting death threats to call them to their radio shows and
people turning up with guns and so like. There was really a battle for control over the airwaves in Miami, which which unfortunately turned turn physical.
Yeah, in America, when you try and do a leftist radio station, like the host get murdered.
Yeah right. No, there's like Tom Hartman who like has like a progressive radio shows, Like he writes constantly about how like like the left needs to have a comparable tool because it's just you know, AM radio talk rado is completely dominated by those conservative radios and when they do they just think it's like interviewing people which is completely different than what like concern like what talk radio is.
Right, So yeah, interesting, Well somebody who works for like an iHeartRadio or something should do something about that.
I mean, right now, I think all we got are the podcasting nook.
Right now, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back to talk about the news. And we're back. And so it seems like McCarthy might have the votes to push the deal through to raise the debt ceiling avoid a catastrophic default. And you know, but the far right is trying to apply pressure in their own way.
They're really I mean, I think there's there's there's a lot of fun when you look at what's going on with Kevin McCarthy, because you know, he gave a lot a way to become the speaker. If you remember, like no, like remember how many times had to vote and it was like nah, nah, And then he kept going around and he was like please, man, what do you want, Like, I'll fucking do anything. I'm just like you can be
speaker for a day whatever. And so one of the big things that like you know that he sort of gave as an assurance to the conservative especially in the House, Freedom Caucus. We're like, you're gonna work with Joe Brandon and we hate that is He's like, hey, look if I if I run a foul, you guys can trigger a vote of no confidence and you can you can have me, you know, just get me out of here, whatever you want to do. So just keep that in mind, is all as we talk about all this. So they're
really losing it. And what's really interesting is that, you know, they a lot of the Republicans are talking about the default in a way that they don't think that eventually it's going to be experienced by all people in the United States. Like they think it's just like an optics thing that if Joe Biden loses, then like, oh it's great, rather than like the real consequences of like doubling the
unemployment rate or people's stonks going fucking poof. But you know what, Donald Trunk told them that default was good. And I just want to play this little clip from Chip Roy, you know, from the Freedom Caucus and the Logic here member of Succession jes Roy, Yeah, Chip Roy, Yeah, exactly. He's Connor's other brother who they don't talk about much.
He just I just want to play this for you, because his whole thing is like saying, like, we can't do this deal because Donald Trump said no, and that's about it. But just listen for yourself, because and he has no idea. I guess to me, he's completely divorced from the reality of what default means for the economy.
President Trump said he thought we should default rather than pursue this kind of lunacy. At the end of the day, the only person that would default in this town is Joe Biden unless Republicans default on the American dream by voting for this bad bill. That is why this group will oppose it. We will continue to fight it today tomorrow, and no matter what happens, there's going to be a reckoning about what just occurred. Unless we stop this bill by tomorrow, the.
Only person that's gonna default is Joe Biden.
Is what really interesting, because again they're playing fucking hot potato with a fucking ticking economic time bomb and they're like and then he'll have it and then poof, it's
all on him. But again, that was a lot of really cool use of the word default, but it was actually just a wonderful tossed word salad for all to enjoy, and many of the Freedom Caucus members are doing everything they can to try and tank the bill, but it seems that McCarthy has the votes, so now like they're just trying to poison the well as much as possible
or have these like really low energy attacks. Let me play another one from South Carolina's Ralph Norman, who I think is admitting that he is unable to actually read written work. I believe is what he's trying to say with this appearance on Fox News. So he's going to come in talk His biggest criticism right now, aside from we shouldn't be working with Joe Biden, is that it's just too long, Like it's just such a big bill
and we don't have enough time to read it. Keep in mind that like other bills have been in the thousands of pages, and he's going to get fact checked a little bit here on like why he's like this is way, this is there's no way we can vote on this, because that's all he's trying to say is we can't vote on this. But has the worst you know, logical excuse here.
The negotiated bill that we hadn't even read. It's like the Pelosi days, you got to pass before you can read it needs but he is giving you seventy two hours to consider it before you're asked to vote on it. Blows didn't do that, and that's what the part of the twenty of us in January. We got that. But really for this seriousness, serious of a bill affecting the dollars that it is and the financial security, which is national security, who want to have a lot more time?
And I think the day pages, it's only nine pages, not the two thousand plus that the Portable Care Act was. Well, and yeah, the one of the Biden bills was four and eighty pages that we had less time to read.
You just fell asleep mid sentence. I'm gonna bail you out there. Ralph Norman.
It's again. But I love the duality of like holding so many of these thoughts to be true. On one end, it's like, yeah, fucking default because that'll fucking make Joe Biden look bad, But also like, but this is like with the severity, the seriousness of the financials and blah blah blah. It's like, well, which one is it? Does it not fucking matter if you default? Or is it that you have to read the bill because everything is
so important. Again, that's just where they are because all they need is some kind of financial crisis to win in twenty twenty four. That's their entire strategy right now, is some kind of crisis because it can't just be us saying.
We don't believe in body autonomy. Right.
I wonder if that's still counting on that friends in Saudi to to clor will production for the for the gas prices, that's the.
Yeah, exactly, there's I mean, there's a few different levers, but at the end of the day, it's not gonna be because they change their policies or their platform. It's like make everything so untenable that they have to say yes to fascism. I think that's kind of the playbook
they're trying to run. But again, here's the funny part though, is that, like now with all of this like outrage, it's possible a lot of people are talking about, like maybe we do fucking vote Kevin McCarthy out as speaker, which would be so funny because he wanted so badly to be speaker, and then he would probably become like come begging to Hakim Jeffries as the as the Democratic Minority leader to be like, can you give me some votes so I can be the speaker, in which case, Oh,
it's just gonna be. It's gonna be. Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that that smile on his face when he won off to like the twentieth time, and yeah, this smile will not lasted very long.
So unfortunately, because yeahs out here, yeah, like praising Joe Biden and stuff, and the Republicans just can't app they just can't stomach it. Meanwhile, like all the progressives in the Democratic Party are also like, man.
Fuck this bill.
So uh yeah, but I think right now most of the tension is going on Kevin McCarthy.
Yeah, all right, well, well, des Evd.
Let's speaking of smile on their face. Let's talk about Taylor Swift. Her concerts are sweeping the nation. Everybody's excited on social media, and they're so excited they're apparently suffering from mass amnesia because some Taylor Swift fans are reportedly attending Taylor Swift concerts and then have no memory of the event afterwards. It's called by people on social media, not by the medical community. It's called they're calling a
post concert amnesia. And so what are people saying that they're just like they're like, are they true?
Like, I don't know what happened.
Yeah. One person claimed that if it hadn't been for a video of her at the show, she would have told everyone that it didn't happen. Another person said she had spent so long dreaming about what it would be like to see the singer in person. She later claimed she couldn't grasp what was reality. It's hard to put together what you actually witness, So I don't know she
likes Taylor Swift. I've seen the like. So there was a tweet that was like one of my tweets of the day that was like comparing the like stage design to the really complicated shirts from season two of I Think You Should.
Leave Dan Flashes.
Yeah, Dan flashes really super complicated shirt pattern. Yeah they're more expensive, Yeah, more expensive because the patterns are so complicated, and like, her stage design looks pretty complicated. So I don't know if she's like done something that has Like I've never heard someone say it's hard to put together what you actually witness right before?
Is it?
Because like part of me is thinking, like one version is like hyperbole from fans to talk about how amazing it was that you're like, literally, I don't even know
what happened. It was so magical, but like, are there actual people Like no, I'm actually worried, like I don't know what happened to me more like on that level, or is more like it was such a dream, like I don't know if I was just out of body or whatever, or I guess, or they're saying like it's hard for me to specifically even call back something from the concert. I know I was there, but that's about it. After that, I just went into an absolute dream state.
If the CIA were to align itself with an artist, I feel like that would probably be the correct like that would be the choice.
Oh yeah, yeah right, oh yeah, I think so. But it's a little I mean, if the idea is that it's such a trendsporting and extremely magical experience that you'll literately not able to per film memories, it makes a little disappointing that I've suddenly never I didn't have ever experience that. I've definitely been drunk enough. I don't remember what happened in college, But the idea that has such
a transcendent experience that you can't remember. It kind of makes you wonder, like what am I I'm missing out on the life by not being a big tailis stand.
Now I'm getting like fomo because like I've seen artists that I've absolutely obsessed over, yeah and been like I'm there, I'm gonna be front row and I remember that shit like yeah, I fucking it was magical. Like I was like, I'm here, I'm experiencing it exactly how I want to. But yet to your point, I was, I'm like, so, is there like another level like.
Drink and these people just getting really drunk for the first time, Like it was crazy, like had seven to twelve drinks and now I ge't no. So, according to one psychology professor, this is something that can happen when someone is in a highly emotional state. Due to exciting
or distressing factors. The neurons associated with memory start firing indiscriminately, which makes forming new memories difficult, which which is the opposite of like I had always heard, when you're in like a heightened emotional state, you are more likely to like have a like flash bold memory, you know, like that's that's when you have those memories that really stick because you're like, have this heightened state of arousal.
Don't tell that to Ronda Santis, who's denying people from Guantanimo recognized him.
Right, how are they going to remember that?
It's like, I don't know, man, people remember shit in those moments.
That Yeah, what I know some people claim not to remember parts of their own wedding is the example that they're giving. So it's like, and so I've noticed this, like with being a dad, Like I will look at a video that I've taken up my kids and it's like just there, I'm like, I don't remember that at all.
I don't remember saying those words at all. I don't remember kids looking like that because because I'm so like that has to do with just like I see them every day, so like what they look like is just
what they've always looked like in my brain. But you know, I think there's something there that's like missing from my understanding of memory because the only thing that I had, the only interaction between memory and emotional state that I've really had room for in like the thing that I built in when I was like a teenager based on like accepted knowledge, was that like scared or excited you your memory like works better, so but and then really drunk,
your memory doesn't work. Those were the two things that I knew of that could affect your memory. That's my psych degree. And then like there was also the stuff about you know, repressed memories of abuse or traumatic experiences. But like I had always kind of because a lot of that stuff ended up being recovered through hypnosis and like led to it involved in a lot of the
satanic panic stuff. But it does seem like there's a little more here where like there are forms of heightened memories or like excitement or you know, like with my kids, it's like the love is so strong, like my brain can't look directly, Like it's like trying to look directly at the sun or something. Your brain just like isn't big enough to take it all in. Is like kind of how it feels. So maybe that's what they're experiencing with Taylor Swift concerts.
Maybe there's a new merch opportunity like the spinning coin and inception that could be sold to Taylor Swift fans before the concept so they neither.
Yeah, exact because she's a master of like repackaging things.
They already have and be like, what about this version will I build for twenty four hours and it has half a song on it that you haven't heard about that by that, but yeah, maybe she does still like start selling like reality totems, so you keep spinning you know what's going on, which is funny because when you say that, Jack, the first thing I was like, well, this has happened at Beyonce concerts because that's the only other group of people who I feel like I get
this with the connection, Like these people, the parasocial relationships that they have with Taylor Swift is to the next level, so like I can tell that they're already like operating in like a psychological space that might be different than
other fandoms. But it's interesting because the only thing I was like, I just searched Beyonce post concert amnesia and an article just came out ten hours ago that way, Oh, Beyonce fans also getting post concert amnesia at Renaissance, So I'm like, is this a marketing thing?
Like what the fuck is this could just be a few people on Twitter reported not being able to remember something and everybody jumped on it. But right, like, I mean, there are psychology professors and like this Psychology Today article claiming that like we folk, this Psychology Today article totally does not vibe with like how I feel like my memory works. They're like, you focus on experiencing the world,
not remembering it. So if people are truly living in the moment and then enjoying the concert, they're not necessarily doing the work of trying to make new memories. It's like, I don't intentionally ever make memories. I'm not like, I'm remembering this so fucking hard right now? Jack, you remember in You remember it right now? Dude, this is good remembering. But yeah, so I don't know.
But I again, all I take from this is I'm actually good. I have fomo that I've never blacked out at a concert like that wasn't chemically induced.
A concert for understandable reason, that wasn't chemically induced.
Yeah, okay, and that wasn't me abusing xanax or something like I'm talking about like I'm fucking levitating because I love the artists. Someone, now, what is the Swifties again? I'm part of me, like the joke, the jokey side of me is like I think they just want to forget that she's with Maddie Healy and all that, right now, Yeah, anyway.
But is the concert Like I guess it's hard to ask this question because you you can't, but like it are people saying it's like a really great concert who aren't like inherently huge Taylor Swift stands?
Oh, I don't know. I mean the people who I know who are Taylor Swift fans who have gone. I feel like everything's been so pot like no one is saying a bad word about it. Yeah, obviously because the tickets were so fucking expensive and hard to get. I think that's the other part of it, too, is like you're probably so stressed because you spend like a fucking mortgage payment and a half trying to get a ticket
to the show. Yeah, but yeah, I mean the other thing is too they're wearing people are wearing adult diapers to the shows. No, yeah, yeah, they because they don't want to miss a thing. Like there's a bunch of TikTok clips of like people helping their homegirls like get into some diapers. Another person was like was like taking selfie videos like I'm at the show.
And nobody knows I have diapers on when we move back, and they're clearly wearing like under the Sky chicks, Like.
Yo, actually, yo, something going on with your yoga pants. I'm seeing a thin blue line appear in the baby's diaper. But yeah, like again I get that part. Like I think I've told this story. I peed myself at the front row of jay Z at Coachella a few like ten years ago because I did not I didn't want to miss anything. And I when I saw how far I would have to travel to go to the restroom and then fight through a fucking gigantic pit to get to where I was, I was like, no, we're doing this right here.
Yeah. So and also you like, like we already mentioned everything about you smell your peace smells fantastic. So it didn't.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm very well hydrated, you know what I mean. You're not going to get that like that sort of terrible like urreic acid. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, not with me. It's basically water baby.
All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back, and we're back.
Jack is there? Artists, you would go to the bathroom on yourself for? Who would you wear adult diapers for?
Radiohead? Kendrick. They said Hendricks, Hendricks bro Oh no Jack, Yeah, those are big ones. Radiohead I've seen a number of times and they're always great, and Kendrick I've never seen, so I realized.
I remember, actually on the subject of I didn't have any diapers, but I encountered a I guess a video game arcade machine for one of the first times. I was about nine or ten years old, and I was so delighted by it. Maybe I was a bit younger, maybe six or seven, but definitely wet myself while playing the game, and.
Because out of your excitement and you're like, I can't let this go.
I couldn't. I was like, I was like beating level two and I was like I can't. I can't, I can't let this go.
Get it.
But tutanic memories, Maybe the soiled diaper could be the clue as to whether or not you're already there, Yes, concepts.
Does everyone strap on an adult diper.
And then yeah, you know, are we assuming this is mainly number number one or number two?
Yeah? You just like you put on the diapers and then you blink and suddenly the diaper is full in your back of your house with like a glow bracelet or risk Oh no, full diaper? What is that? Yeah? I was, I was there? Are you were experienced? Where we where were we? I mean?
We?
Uh? Chris Christie is going to announce his doomed presidential run I guess in next Tuesday in New Hampshire.
So see your next we look we'll I'll look.
Forward to that.
Chris, What does he think he's gonna do? Just debase himself to humiliate himself all over again like he did in twenty sixteen.
That is the That is the main thing that this news has brought is like people being like, so, what's the play here? Like, what does he think? Yeah, he's he's definitely not gonna win, but does he know that? Does he know he's not gonna win? Some people are theorizing that he is being asked by other Republicans to come in as like the sniper who can insult Trump.
So he comes in and during the debate he smears Trump and that allows Nicky Hayley and like DeSantis and all the other people who aren't willing to to continue to run without So.
That is the dumbest idea. Whatever, even that's not doesn't even make sense. Politically, it's like, well, you be mean to him so that other people don't have to. It's like, well, Trump's just gonna tear their asses down too, So then what Yeah, yeah, christ you gonna be Chris Christy be like, hey, leave Nikki alone, motherfucker. He's not. He's gonna fucking He's gonna fold like a motherfucking like a fucking chair at an AA meeting. That's what's gonna happen. He's gonna lap
and that's all it's gonna happen. And the only thing I can think of is that his ego like people are gassing him up and he's on some Jimmy Butler like revenge shit where he's like, I know I was humiliated, but this time I'm.
Gonna go so hard I may be able to win. Yeah, don't do that to Jimmy Butler.
Man, come, but you know what I mean, Like I think he has I think he may have that in his mind, like he said he's gonna go so hard this time that maybe he can win. Because that's the one thing we've said, whoever, the person with the most interesting chance is whoever can go the hardest that Trump.
Yeah, and none of them can do that, Christy. Maybe people are theorizing he can. He cannot. He is not built for it. But yeah, I mean, like the idea that he will come in in the debate and like take Trump down a notcher two is ridiculous because like you know, the hit Trump supporters are not waiting for the right piece of information to be revealed to then like be like, oh, I guess we were wrong, Like
that that's not the thing. But I don't doubt that that could be like something that other candidates are hoping will happen, because we've seen like misguided strategy political strategies all the time. But the thing that makes it makes me highly skeptical that he is like basically lead blocker for DeSantis, Pence, Haley and others is that, like that is just not how narcissistic megalomaniacs operate. Like he is not doing this because he thinks it will benefit somebody else.
He is doing it because he thinks it will benefit him, because he thinks he has an outside chance.
I'm sure maybe maybe he'll get Rick Santaurum's chair on CNN as the award for his.
And he's already on CNN. He already has everything want.
You must have to wonder that. I mean what I mean, I guess he's going to raise some money. I mean it's this entirely quickxotic decision where they come from. And I mean, yeah, the idea of him, well there's already what you might in this scenario isn't very It looks like there's a gigantic super pack already sent set up for him. So there's clearly the donor class thinks there's something about him running that could help. I don't know in what way, But I don't know. I mean, like
I would, I don't know, it'd be interesting. I'm curious to see if anyone has what it takes to get Trump like a little bit frazzled with their like rhetorical style like Trump does with his, Like I don't know, Like if you're if Chris Christy was a super like sarcastic on a debate stage with that helped He's like, yeah, Donald, that's.
A really good idea, guy, Like what does that do?
Like versus Donald Trump is an Unamerican tyrant doing that kind of thing, like trying to be like speaking truth to power. I don't know. I feel like you have to be like yeah, yeah, yeah, sure you baby, like take it, take the discourse there.
But there there are probably people who would be successful at that. There probably not career politicians.
No, no, I mean that would be that'd be a fun thing to be a plant, just to like flow up the debate stage every time. Anyway, uh, Koch Brothers, if you're interested, I'm willing to offer my services to debase myself on a debate stage.
There you go. All right, Well, it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all that good stuff?
Well, I got a Twitter at oswal Oshin and the podcast is called Silence the Radio Murders, which you can find wherever you get your podcasts, including of course the iHeartRadio app.
Of course where we all of course I should download that.
Actually, thank you so much for having me back on the show.
Thanks for doing it.
It was a pleasure.
Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Well, I'm not sure if you followed the radio lab guy Latif NASA's tweet thread about the Afghan viadinist It was about a month ago, but basically he got asked to bring a violin from the east coast to the west coast to give to this Afghan guy. And the guy was kind of hard to pin down, and the thief was annoyed with him, but finally they met up, and he then realized when they met up, like why he was hard to pin down because he was working like, you know, four jobs and didn't have you know, some
of the right sell contract or whatever it was. But he gave him the violin and turned out the guy had been one of the violinists on Afghan Star, which was Afghanistan's answer to American Idol until the Taliban came back in twenty twenty one. And now this guy has
the violin. And not only that, I think the thief organized this big campaign to raise funds to basically relaunch the guy's music career in the US, which is very heartwarming and actually one of our next shows about it at Kaleidscope is called Afghan Star, and it's all about kind of what happened to the producers and singers from that show, many of for him are now living in Istanbul.
So it's an amazing story, obviously a sad one, but also kind of uplifting that this this music still provides some community. And so you know, you never know when you're out and about in wherever you live, you know who who the person working at the mall or the uber driver and what their story might be. And so yeah, I was. I was very cheered by by that one. And and just you know, the idea of the power of music. You know, you have to make you forget or or
you wear diapers when you're listening to it. But but but I was. I thought that was very moving, and I came across on Twitter, so shout out Tolan.
What if there was just a piece of music that was so good that it made everybody so immediately.
That's that's no peace on Earth. I think that is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Actually, Miles, where can people find you? What is the work of media you've been enjoying? Find me at Miles of Gray, where they got at Symbols, Find Jack and I Miles and
Jack Got Mad. Boostis if you like the NBA talk where we do that and if you like to hear trash reality talk, I do that with Sophie Alexandra on four to twenty Day Fiance let's see, I don't really have any tweets that I've liked recently, but I will say I just started watching the new season of the Other Two, and that's it. It's been bringing a smile to my face. I'm only one episode in, but I'm already it's just so fucking good man.
That show is great. So I really am enjoying season three of I Think you Should Leave What's s Trapped.
Yesterday, I'm like, I have a pact with like two friends, like are we gonna watch together? If, like I haven't done this kind of shit since I was a child, or like maybe in college.
They'll be like, yeah, we're watching it together. I just I needed it. Yesterday. I just locked myself in my office and watched it for like an hour and a half and it.
Was great, just just choking back, like all the laughter.
Yeah, oh yeah, all good. I'd like to do that. Yeah, Miles, we see them. What I Think You Should Leave does to me in public, It's not dissimilar to the Taylor Swift thing. Not really tweet I've been in Jamie Loftus at Jamie Loftus helped tweet it. My algebra two teacher has found my book about hot dogs again. Her book Raw Dog, The Naked Truth about hot Dogs came out last week, and she screencapped this message, speak your piece. Saw a piece of you in the Week magazine. I
had you as a math student at Brockton. Great to see you doing well. Congratulations. My ask Colin what the importance of math into your work? It is a big ask, but people need to hear the message. Hope you are well.
If you have ever had a teacher who you know you didn't like or who made you feel badly about yourself, just understand they're probably like socially maladapted weirdo who you know would go on social media and be like, hey, could you make your next book about math the thing that I taught you?
But then it like dums me out because you know, like how like whatever that teacher is up against the kids just don't give a fuck about math no more? Can you put it in your hot dog book?
Yeah? Instead of hot dogs, how about some hot math problems?
How about some hot log orythms hot logs?
And then this was the tweet that I think I was referencing yesterday or on a recent episode, uh Luke at Luke O'Neill forty seven tweeted smoking is a gross, deadly Habit wouldn't recommend it at all. I nonetheless do it, and it rules. That said, it is honestly shocking that the anti smoking campaigns of twenty plus years ago actually worked in the US. Don't think they would if started
now real under the wire shit there it is. It's just crazy how much that And I don't think, like OZ when you go back to Europe, like, is how much more prevalent is smoking there than it is in the US.
It's wild. I mean, especially in France, it's.
Like everyone's it's still the eighties there.
Yeah, it's still the eighties.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I kind of mention I was genuine I was there quite recently. I was genuinely puzzling this very thing. It's like, how can every young person just smoke the whole time here? Is bizarre? But they do.
Yeah. Anyways, it worked, those campaigns worked. I guess maybe that's why Americans are so miserable. You can find me on Twitter at That's not the reason. By the way, don't start to can find me on Twitter at Jack
Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeikeeist, where at the Daily Zeicheist on Instagram, we have a Facebook fan page and a website Daily zeikeeist dot com where we post our episodes and our footnotes when we link off to the information that we talked about today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Myles, what is the song? But you think people might enjoy it? Oh?
Man, let's go out on this track by a Australian producer called I Think I have that right? Yeah QO?
Are you uh?
And yeah? I worked with some other like kind of like more underground wrappers that I had heard of, like making beats for them and then I said, oh, let me see what they're so so low beat making work is like. And this track is called Rest off an album called Intoxicated or it's like a sort of mixtape kind of thing. There's also like a remix to a Butterfly by Crazy Town, like he's sampling Butterfly by Crazy Down it kind of an interesting way.
But anyway, this track is called rest by col ru Qo.
Are you check it out?
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