Take It Up With My Boss The Pope, Shroom Takeover 02.23.23

people put different subtitles over it. It's not the familiar and definitely the Internet would make it was like very viral when I first came to the ADET, so it was a long time ago. But there's a new one with Elon Musk that there's a lot of fun. Anyways, this is still a production by Heart Radio, and it's still a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Thursday, February twenty third, twenty twenty three, and my name is Jack O'Brien aka how the fuck

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We're thrilled to be joined in our second seat by very talented writer, comedian, podcast host of The Bechdel Cast. She has the most anagram mobile name in the United States. It's Caitlin de Rada. I'm so upset that my name does not have an F in it because otherwise I could conceivably something something NFT. My name would anagram too, but I'm missing that here. Let's try this again. It's Caitlin f d. Pretend your middle name is Francis close

it's Marie. But anyway, I do have some new anagrams to share a courtesy of at Ian McKillen on Twitter. I'll share a couple of my faves. An acid lie runt, an acid runt yeah yeah, and I didn't I didn't check these, so I'm just I'm putting my faith that these are correct. Okay, Sometimes people will anagram my name and then there's like extra leaders. Yeah, this is Ian McKellen, and the actors lie for a living, so we can trust this. But that's true. Yeah. Um, we've also got

Tiara cuntlined Tiara cuntline. Mind yeah, like, oh what is this jacket lined with? Oh, it's it's a Tiara count line. And then I think my favorite Anal Direct unit, Anal direct unit, and those they are moving those units on QBC. These Anal Direct units are flying off the shelves. Amazing. What a name, What a name? Thank you, You're welcome, Caitlin.

We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the creators of Brittany's Graham, the podcasts that, by analyzing Brittany Spears's cryptic Instagram, helped spark the massive Free Britney movement. When she's not helping to make pop culture history, she also co hosts the hilarious podcast Lady to Lady. Please welcome back to the show, Tess Berger. Hi, guys, thanks for having me. Hi, how are you. I'm well. My middle name is also Marie. Caitlin. Hey. Look, it's

a strong, sturdy middle name. Strong. It's it feels like your parents just gave us like the free space middle name. Yeah, exactly, all right, we need something to fill that field. I get for a while there at the hospital. There like a middle name, Marie, Right, we did just go through Marie. Yeah, that's just already on the form. And then it's like you can you can erase it and put something else if you want. But to Marie, yeah, the boy's first name is gonna be John or William, and then you

just call him whatever the fuck you want. But my name is John and perfect. Yeah. Sure, they're like, but how how do we call him something that's not John? Obviously we had to name him John, but how do we figure out something else to call him? Anyways, So lovely to have both of you. Marie's on the show today, Tess, how are you doing. I'm pretty good getting ready for this. We got a blizzard warning. I guess in La getting

raise it snuggle upting it. Yeah, I guess there's like snow a parent Yeah, yeah, there is a chill in the air. I think at higher altitudes it's going to be snowing, And the question is how low They're not expecting it to be everywhere in La. But I don't know. There's a bunch of films in the mountains. So yeah, I'll be taking to my blankets later tonight, I can tell you that much for sure. Yeah goodness, Yeah, it's weird, weird times. All right, tests we're going to get to

know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things

we're talking about today. Malcolm X's daughter, Ilyasa Shabaz has filed notices stating her intention to sue the FBI, CIA, and NYPD for conspiring to assassinate her father, which I remember there was like this New York Times article when Mohammad aa Z's and Khalil Islam were cleared, like two of the three people who were convicted of assassinating Malcolm X. They were cleared, and there's a New York Times article that was like, yeah, unfortunately they didn't find any evidence

of like police or government involvement, but then they listed all these details that were like, wait, is what the fuck? So we're gonna talk about that Starbucks is dropping a new secret weapon on our asses, olive oil. We're gonna get some olive coffee goodness in the coming years. It sounds sounds like it would be like good in the right hands. Unfortunately, I don't believe Starbucks is the right

hands necessarily, so new Starbucks concoction just dropped. New Russell Crowe Exorcist trailer just dropped The Pope's Exorcist, which does contain the line if you have a problem with me, take it up with my boss the Pope, which I will be quoting frequently in my day to day life. But I thought it was going to be take it up with my boss. God, yeah, j C. No, that we answer to the Pope. Pope, Yeah, yeah, yeah, middleman. Really,

the Pope is just a just a middleman. Middleman just like always got his head on his or his hand on his head, Like, oh God, going between these two assholes. Can I talk to your manager please? Yeah, exactly. We'll talk about people worrying about a mushroom apocalypse thanks to the last of us, and what the likelihood is all of that plenty moore. But first tests, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history the Romans wine bar. I was searching for the

address to the wine bar. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Romans. No, oh, my god. Do you like bookstores? Do I look? Oh, I would never read a book, so yeah, okay, the never mind, never mind? Do they have children? I only really read? Yeah, if they have a whole picture book section, yeah, next to the wine bar, next to the wine bar, so yeah, you get cat in the Hat and then you get lit. And so it's a really huge bookstore in Pasadena that like is like my favorite store in the whole world.

And they have in addition to books, they have like a really extensive stationary section. They sell mont Blanc pins, they sell they have really nice greeting cards, great little gifty things. Yeah, it rocks. And then inside of it they put like a legit wine bar, which is just like my dream come true. And I'm going to see a play with a friend tonight, so I was dealing that wine bar because I want to get a win there. Yeah, that is some culture wine and I kind of am

that bitch. I think that. Yeah, Like I feel like I am kind of a parody of Pasadena lady. That is kind of my life. They've they've stuck a V on front of romans. Yes, okay, got yeah, yeah sup. Producer Victor, who is from Los Angeles and also just a fan of all things that start with V. Chimed in that that helped clarify it because I was having a hell of a time on Google over here. That's cool is the theater You're going to see the Blueman Group. Totally.

I actually did work for the Blueman Group in college. Huh yeah, because at the time it was like the early odds and you guys have to like when Blueman Group first hit the scene, I was like, they are changing the game and I want to be a part of it. Next level. I mean, it is a piece of avant garde theater that somehow became like a weird pop culture like throwaway thing. But yes, yeah, if you you first happened upon Blueman Group, you're like, whoa, what

is that weird? Blow your mind? Yeah, couldn't handle that on strong acid. I even blew your mind yellow. It's so hard to not think of that to buy a spooky I just it really like nothing. I think it has so completely defined a thing. His attempt to become a blue bloom, blooming onion. But when you hear people talk about the process of like trying out for to

be a bloom In. It it's very intense, and like the people who are in the group are like, I don't think he's bloom In material, like they you have to have so many skills. Yeah that alone being a good drummer alone, I don't know how you do that right. And then yeah there it's all. The show is all face tags. That's that's hard, is all? What? Hey? You know? Like I call it a facetag, like when somebody tells a joke and like you tag it with a facial expression.

Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah yeah, big facial expressions. Yeah yeah, I feel like bloom In. I was just listening to a podcast on Stuff you Should Know about Max head Run and like, how do you guys remember Matt or

Max Headroom. Do you remember like that? It's like a Pepsi or a New Coke spokesperson, Like I remember it as like the height of just like trash culture when I was growing up, and that was another thing that like started as this like you know, punk rock like art thing and then just like got gobbled up by capitalism and bloom In. I mean they're still doing it as a theater though, it's not like they moved on

to just be like starry spokespeople or something. Yeah, and if they were, I don't think we could fought them. They had a good run. Yeah's in a quarter of a century, they've been blooming in. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm good. I'm glad to hear that is the theater that you're dead. I'm actually going to see Sunday in the Park with George. Oh okay, yes, that you never heard of Sunday in the Park with George. No, I really named the only that I'm familiar. It's not like you're like Blueman group.

That's for hacks. It's also the only piece of theater. Yeah, I know, yeah, I know. It's just on time musical. Oh fun. Yeah, all right. What is something you think is overrated? Radical honesty? Like, okay, I don't know that. I think I think that we can sometimes like put a lot of value on being like honest for the point of being on for the sake of being honest, And like, I don't I'm fine with white lies, and like I would honestly rather have someone be nice to me.

I'd rather have you been nice. I don't. I don't like when people have a personality like I just tell it like it is and they're just mean, Yeah, I'm not into it. I think it's overrated. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot of energy to be around those. Yeah. Yeah for your little experiment, I have to like just gird myself for like the most uncomfortable thirty minutes of my life, you know, like that exactly, Yeah, it's it's

it can be pretty selfish, right, yeah, exactly. It's like you're, yeah, you're you're kind of pushing that on someone else without necessarily their consent or they're asking for it. I love it in small doses, though I don't like I don't think I could pull it off as a as a lifestyle like I did a twenty four hour lifestyle, but having like this kind of came up when we were talking. There's that the cut article about like new rules of etiquette, and one of them was like, don't tell people who

you think they look like. And that's a perfect example. That is great advice for you. However, if you have a look like about me, I want to know what it is desperately. Even though I'm not gonna like it, I'm I like, that is an amazing little glimpse into like how people see you when they first see you that like you'll never be able to get other than that way, and it's like uncomfortable and I don't want

to know it all the time. But I also have no idea like how people perceive me, So like somebody who's practicing radical honesty, it's good to like get get next to them for fifteen minutes. If you're in the mood, you know, what, is there one that sticks out in your mind of like a look like that you got that that made you happy? John Mayer made me happy. That's a good one, and then Walton Goggins made me unhappy. I got Walton Guttins right. Sometimes it's a big ego

boost and other times it's it's crushing. I'm like, yeah, oh yeah, I don't want to be I changed my whole life once someone told me that I was a w It's irreferable damage. And I think it's that thing of like you remember the bad comments so much more than the good ones. It's like one radically honest comparison to somebody you don't want to look like, and yeah, it's you're on a whole new life trajectory. Walton Goggins was not is not a dead like looking guy or anything.

It was just like the it was a character that this person was like saying, oh my god, you so remind me of them, and like you look exactly like them, and it just wasn't wasn't my favorite. So well, I don't see it. If that, Oh my god, thank you so much. Okay, I need to google up every episode now just so people can from like vice principles and I think, just okay, this guy okay, yeah, yeah, a good name though, great, amazing name. Yeah, like such a

Civil War soldier who died on the battlefield. Just incredible. I was born to die on the battlefield, like a Civil war battle. What is something you think is underrated? Test? Um? I don't know if it's underrated. I mean, I'll use it for this category. But I've been watching this show on Netflix called Contraras and it's a really good show. Um. It's Spanish language show about this single mom who just got out of jail and in order to like impress

her daughter, she gets into lucha baboom. Oh, it's just a real are you well written? Fun show on Netflix. Against the rope is like the English title boom is like the indie wrestling thing. Yeah, or she becomes a Luca Door. I don't know if it's called actually, but um, okay, it's just a really well written, fun premise for show. It's got like a fun mother daughter story, just a really fun kind of back in beachdel tests as fuck awesome female driven show. Sign me up. There you go.

And Kaitlyn, you recently saw the ant Man movie? How how did that do on the are you are? You are? I don't want you to step on anything that's coming up on the back. Well, no, I don't and fishing Jamie and I covering ant Man three anytimes? But I mean, there are some women in the movie, all right? Is it? This seems to be like the The reviews are lower

than average for your standard MCU movie. When I saw the trailer, I was like, they seem to be leaning into the thing I don't like about Marvel, which is like all the portals, just like portals on portals on portals, so many lasers. Okay, here, well, I know we we were just talking about radical honesty, which I feel fine doing to a movie that doesn't have feelings, although people made that movie and they do have feelings. That said, a aunt Man three is a turd. It's a big

old turd. I'm not saying anything new here. Yeah, Marvel is in its flop era right now because the last several I've seen have not been great. Thor Love and Thunder one of the worst movies I've seen in a while, really said it. Yeah, I didn't. I was just out after the Sam Raimi Doctor Strange one. I was like, this is that was also not great, but like compared to love multi versus multiverse stuff. They were like, this

is going to be a multiverse one. This is like our everything everywhere all at once, and it was bad. It was bad. I'm hoping, well, Spider Verse is not MCU, so I'm hoping that the new Spider Verse movie is just as good as the first one, which is perfect,

perfect film, no notes, so good. You liked that movie so much that you got me to show it to my like two year old, I think at the time, and I now know, like he's fine, it's fine, I think, but like it was it was definitely too early, and that like my five year old who's obsessed with Spider Man, I still haven't shown it to him because it just felt like it was a lot. But do you do you have a great period with kids, like because you can cuss around babies for a little bit, right, Yeah,

I think until their thirteenth birthday, Okay, between fifteen and six. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, and then you can safe fuck again. Yeah that's right. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll

be right back, and we're back and yeah. So Malcolm X's daughter, Elyatashabez, filed notices stating her intention to sue the FBI, CIA, MYPD for conspiring to assassinate her father the like there was a Netflix documentary that pointed to the fact that two of the people who were convicted of the of assassinating her father were not there that day and so that they were eventually like the the Innocence Project and a local DA I believe reopened the

case and you know, Muhammed a Zi's and Khalil Islam were cleared because there were just so much evidence that they again were not there that day, weren't present or murder.

The key piece of evidence that seemingly inspired the new suit surface last year, and it is a letter written by a now dead NYPD officer who confessed that he had been compelled by his supervisors at the New York Police Department to coax two members of Malcolm X's security team into committing crimes, meaning they were in jail during the event, allowing law enforcement agencies to murder Malcolm X, which like does sound like how police forces seem to operate.

Sounds very familiar. Yeah, like falsely accused and imprisoned somebody so that you know, like I again, the details aren't all there about like police officers walked up and like pulled the trigger, but it seemed like they were told this was going to happen. They didn't stop it. They are rested, according to you know, this letter from an NYPD officer who was like, yeah, just wait till I'm dead and then you can you can release this. But they arrested parts of his security team that would make

it difficult for him to be murdered. And then when it happened, this officer threatened to resign, but his supervisors told him that they would charge him with false crimes if he did, which again seems to be there m in this case. So yeah, it's it's a mess. I just I remember when the article came out about two of the three assassins being cleared due to like all

of this evidence. The New York Times article just like really seeming weird to me because like, so it contains the sentence, nor did it uncover a police or government conspiracy to murder him. But then later it says mister Vince's reinvestigation, conducted with the Innocence Project and the officer off of David Chanese, a civil rights lawyer, contended with serious obstacles. Many of those involved in the murder case, including witnesses, investigators, and trial lawyers, as well as other

potential suspects, did long ago. Key documents were lost to time, and physical evidence such as murder weapons were no longer available to be tested, which again, like just that's super convenient for the police to lose all that shit. Yeah, they are the custodians of that evidence, but right, like lost to time. Who will somebody in time lost them? It's just lost to time. We're gonna go ahead and

blame time on this one test. Well, you know, as what happens in Marvel movies, a portal opens up and and then the evidence it gets lost in the space time continuum, and you know what happens, and then so on top of all this ship, there's this part of the New York Times article that's like buried down, you know,

five six paragraphs. Time prosecutors notes indicate they failed to disclose the presence of undercover officers in the ballroom at the time of the shooting, and police department files revealed that a reporter for the New York Daily News received a call the morning of the shooting indicating Malcolm X would be murdered. So there was somebody who's like, hey,

this is happening. They had undercover officers there, like in the ballroom and managed to like convict to people who weren't even there somehow, and like didn't disclose that they were present for it. Like I don't know. It's a lot about her. Undercover officerism works, But you're an undercover officer, you're in a ballroom, somebody dies, don't you then like out yourself as a police and start investigating the situation right away if you're surprised, unless you're right, Yeah, it's

very suspicious. I'm glad that she's bringing this case and yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll see where it leads. Probably not in the New York times, at least not until there's like irrefutable reporting. But so that's I think, I don't know, hopeful news that people will continue to like

get to the bottom of this ship. May justice be served? Yeah, in uh well, speaking of served, Starbucks has a secret weapon and it's trans was a serve honesty, justice being served in the assassination of MALGAMEX and then turning it

over to Starbucks. Yeah, that's great, it's it was. It was a transition as smooth as olive oil, as olive oil blended into your coffee, which is apparently a thing that Howard Schultz saw some Italian people doing in Italy and was like that, we're going to do that, and it's my idea. Essentially, Supposedly, the olive oil creates a velvety, smooth, rich texture with the buttery, round flavors imparted by the olive oil perfectly pairing with the soft chocolate e notes

of the coffee. I don't know which coffee they're talking about there, because I've not tasted many soft chocolate e notes in Starbucks coffee. Rarely soft hard cigarette but hard burnt asque cigarette. But maybe like if you have you ever accidentally eaten, like just the darkest unsweetened chocolate, the like you can't like your mouth just revolts and like

just starts spitting it out like that. I can see that maybe a little bit, but I don't think of them as soft chocolatey notes by any stretch well gibe Either're talking about the frappuccino m Yeah, the moca. They're soft and chocolate when you put just a shitload of chocolate ice cream. Yeah, yeah, you put a whole chocolate syrup soft. Yes. So Howard Schultz visionary in his third

term as the CEO of Starbucks. This is the thing that like these CEOs who like luck into having great success and then you know, leave and people start treating them like human beings again, and then they're like, actually, the person who I picked to succeed me is a maniac, and I'm going to come in and take that job back over. So he's in his third spell as the CEO, but we need him because, as he said, this is a transformational moment for the company, which will they will

bring together an alchemy of nature's finest ingredients. I mean that's poetry. Yeah, the alchemy of nature's finest ingredients here's what I will say. And let me preface this by saying that I don't know anything about cooking or making food or anything that you can consume. I'm famously, very very bad at it. But I am really good at eating food and enjoying the best thank you, and enjoying tasty food. I don't see how the flavor of olive

oil could. I just I feel like it wouldn't compliment the soft chocolate notes of like of a good coffee. And maybe I'm very wrong about this. I'm here for it. I'm gonna be honest. I'm here like I am. I If I see olive oil in like a dessert at a restaurant, I'm always going to choose that dessert like I a should love. I had a gelato in Italy that was like lemon olive oil basil, and I still think about it. Oh my god, your bougie bides are just like spiking. I'm telling you, I'm sorry, this is

who I have dessert. I have to even know this was an option for like for drinks for desserts. Yeah yeah, I mean, I think because it's not like salty, but it kind of gives you that like savory note that you want. It was like a little something sweet. And and when that bulletproof coffee trend happened, I love trendy stuff, so I tried that for a while, and like the butter and coffee combo, I kind of dug like a little bit of fat in your coffee is kind of nice. Yeah,

milk shouldn't be the only fat that we're consuming our coffee. Yeah, we should be putting ice cream. Also, thank you, Finally someone's at it. Yeah, I actually have done that where I didn't have any because I'm a big old baby. Also, I think everyone's just learning that I am actually really bad at eating food and I have horrible taste. But I love the like whatever brand like coffee mate, like liquid non dairy coffee creamers that are just like so

sweet and it's like not even real. It's like chemicals made in a lab. But I that's why I have to drink my coffee adding so much of that. But I didn't have any of that one time, And but I did have vanilla ice cream. So I just added a bunch of vanilla ice cream to my coffee. Was it? And it was brave with me? Thank you? It is? Here are so many temperatures in one cup. I was, yeah,

was it good? Yeah, it was it good. No, it did not turn out well because it's not as good as the coffee Mate is just like molecularly structured to the second, like a drop like enters the coffee, it immediately mixes at the perfect rot you know, exactly beautiful. It's all both that and climate change, Like we really have to trust the scientists. Yeah, I don't know. I

like I have lost my nerve on coffee mate. I was drinking so much coffee mate for a long time and then I was just like, I have this, this is probably bad for me. Are so fed up? Now? Oh god, I can't stop. Teeth started falling out. Yeah it's a but it is. I Well, I like my coffee black, which is why I'm like even entertaining the notion of the olive oil thing, because that's about as like sweet as I'll take it. But my dad, Caitlyn used to mix. He used to scramble eggs. Yeah, my dad.

He used to scramble that coffee meat stuff in with our eggs, which sounds really fucking gross, but it's actually because you know how it tastes good. When you get a little bit of maple syrup on your eggs. Yeah, yeah, okay,

it's like that. Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it like turned them into like a cloudy like cotton candy style, like you know, just because there's like so much scientific engineering in that that like you just like heat that and suddenly it turns into the alien spaceship from Nope, it's just like this beautiful like yeah, wow, that's I won't try that, but I admire your dad Caitlin's bravery. Yeah, so shout out to my dad Caitlin.

Your dad's name is Caitlin, or if you have multiple Caitlin's in your life and there's the dad Caitlin and then the other Caitlin's, just based on how you were saying it. But can it be both? Yeah, I mean this is based on an actual Italian trend that that Howard Schultz saw and so so like it's probably it probably can be good, you know. It's just this doesn't

seem to be the coffee. No. I think you're right though, Like you're right, the Starbucks are not the right hands for this, Like I would trust it at intelligence yea, even though I do think intelligence he is very overrated. I would trust olive oil coffee more in their hands. Yea. Intelligence, yea seems about right for you. Like I just I admire, like the consistency and specificity of your taste. When is coffee being gonna step up their game and start putting?

I don't know, coffee being. No one ever talks about coffee bean, is what I'm saying. Everyone's like, oh Starbucks, this, Starbucks that. Yeah, it's so true. And I feel like coffee Being because I think they peaked in two thousand and six, like every celebrity was always getting coffee being in two thousand and six. Yeah, and then they fell into UK over That's what happened. God bless Dunkin Donuts. Yeah, Ben Affleck, I am a living for that. By the way,

I'm so here for all of that partnership. Yeah, it's it's cute, it is. It's I kind of fell off Ben Affleck for a minute until he got back together with Jlo and Duncan. Oh man, he should not fight his roots. Yeah, but they uh. Just with regards to the you know, exchange of ideas between Starbucks and Italy as a nation, like star Starbucks takes their ideas. Italy does not want to take any of Starbucks. They did, they flopped big time over there. So any imagine, Yeah,

why would you ever go to Starbucks in Italy? Right, it's truly like you just want to see all of the American tourists in Italy. You go, you go to the Starbucks. But yeah, it's like shocking to see a Starbucks in another country. I feel like, all right, Russell Crowe is the Popes exorcist, so prepared, it's about time, thank you. So this is the trail dropped I recommend. Yeah, I mean I actually don't like you. You could totally

miss this, I will tell you. The important thing is that he does say if you have a problem with me, take it up with my boss, the Pope. But there's also so like our writer JM kind of did a dive into this because this is based on a real character, as like all the exorcism movies are like this based on actual events in the Spookiest year nineteen eighty seven. The and this person is like a real like he created the NBA of exorcists, like and you know they've

got it like a team. Yeah with the Yeah, it's it's like the official League of Let let me see if I can find the name of it. But like it's he's like, you got to be a certified exorcist, the League of Extraordinary Exorcist. Yes, exactly, but he so. In addition to being like Pope John Paul the seconds number one bottom bitch exorcist, he is also like a like a right wing political commentator or like cultural commentator.

The movie portrays him as like a superhero battling demon children, but in real life he has blasted the evils of nightclubs, Harry Potter, and yoga, which he claims yoga. I'll read some direct quotes for you from this man. Practicing yoga brings evil, as does reading Harry Potter. They may both seem innoculous, but they both deal with magic, and that leads to evil. Yoga is the devil's work. You think you are doing it for stretching your mind and body,

but it leads to Hinduism. All these Oriental religions are based on the false belief of reincarnation, and then, oh my goodness, in Harry Potter, the devil is at work in a cunning and crafty way. He is using his extraordinary powers of magic and evil. And then this is my favorite. My advice to young people would be to watch out for nightclub because the path is always the same. Alcohol, sex, drugs, and Satanic sects. So sex and sex, yeah, sex sects, the path, That path is always the same. I feel

shorthanded because I didn't do a nightclub I've done. I've done three of those things and never got invited to the Satanic sects. Seriously, I did all these things. Yeah, yeah, nothing, nothing, I just say so. His name is Father Gabriel a morph, A morph which sounds to me, you know, in like exorcism movies where someone's being possessed and then like the demon or the devil is speaking through the body that they're possessing, and they're like, like, Jessica isn't here anymore.

This is a morph. Like, yeah, it sounds like his name sounds like Jessica. Only a morse. If you would like to leave a message for Jessica though, just just let me know. Yeah. Amrth is definitely like a the name of one of the like dementors from Harry Potter. Like, I think that's why his feelings were hurt by Harry Potter. Is it just feels like the most evil name possible exactly.

Maybe that's the m Night Schamalan twist at the end though, is that they need an exorcist for the exorcist tess or did you see the trailer, because that seems to be what's at stake. The Pope's exorcist gets possessed by the devil. Western Civilization falls type shit. So wow, that's beautiful. Yeah, I was, I was thinking, what if he Yeah, he's he's a he's possessed and that's why he's so good

at exorcisms because he's like a demon talking to other demons. Yeah, he's like, I need you all to leave the room. It's like just like that, like Angel or Blade, Like they're like vampires or part vampires, and that's why they're so good at like their job. They know the m O people. Actually, yeah, hey, cop and criminal are one and the same. It's yeah, it all goes back. Cops are evil, that's right. A cab includes the popes exactly.

I also love how like there's just rampant and don't love but like there's rampant pedophilia going on in this organization. For decades and they think Harry Potter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean and then also like of course it's like yeah, then there's progressive people that have issues with the Harry Potters. It it reminds me of that thing of like, yeah, we all agree the government's messed up. Which way are you talking about the Yeah, they have to make up

satanic sects in order to distract from what they're doing exactly. Yeah, all right, Well, the Pope's Exorcist is coming to a theater near you. We'll probably be seen by way too many. Going are we gonna have to like be anti horror movie podcast? Now? I like I don't want to, but like I think Jamie one time was on here and was talking about the conjuring movies being based on like just the worst humans. Yes they're like really yeah creepy. Yeah, she knows more about it than I do. But yeah,

there's just it's always bad, but I mean it makes sense. So, like, have you guys met anyone that, like you would think Dabbles and Exorcism were conjuring? Yeah, my best friend, Yeah, I mean Dabbles, we all dabble a little bit. We're all kinds time exorcists Yeah, I've dabbled in the satanic sext I haven't but into it as the career. Yeah, exactly, I dabble in satanic sex sex. Yeah, it's all in together. You know, it's just a big stew of good times. I'm just saying that if I make that my full

time thing, do I stop loving it? You know, it's like, once it becomes your job, let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk about mushrooms. And we're back, and mushrooms are having a bit of a mome. I would say, thanks to the Last of Us, thanks to psilocybin being kind of slightly less criminalized than it used to be. But mainly i'd say because of the Last of Us. There's also a Mario movie coming, although it doesn't seem like it leans that hard into the mushroom

of it all. Missed opportunity, I know, exactly. Are you guys watching The Last of Us? Yep, not yet. Two episodes in and then it DHBO Max app broke on me. I dared to try and download the other episodes because I had to be on a flight, and they were like, well, that failed, and now your app is broken and you can never watch those episodes ever again. Oh my god,

here episode three is good. I enjoyed the first two quite a bit, and particularly the thing that seems to have everybody interested at least when it comes to like real world implications, and that is like the opening of the show has this like scientific debate happening on a TV show back when TV was like boring as fuck, and they just have like three scientists on being like hmm, like plagues are bad, huh, and the scientists are like, yeah, plagues are bad, and then the third ones like, actually,

I think a fungal pandemic would be the worst one. And it's kind of convincing, it's pretty it's pretty fun. And then like the whole thing is based on that scenario coming true in two thousand and three, and so I think because they based it on that. And then there's the actual footage from Planet Earth of an ant being taken over by this fungus that like turns you into an automaton. People are understandably a little bit freaked out.

But the video game specifically took its inspiration from that BBC clip and hung over high school teacher emergency kit Planet Earth because there's a segment in which the fungus like takes over not just the mind of an ant, but like it's like puppeting its body to get to the top of a tree to them, like spit the

itself all over like the other ant colony. And that's possession. Yeah, that those ants need exercis yea, so weird they need an exorcist, yes, And that there is a little global warming climate change aspect of it, because the thing that has made it possible for the fungus is that the planet has warmed a few degrees because like that the current issue with a fungal pandemic would be that our

bodies are too warm for the fungus. And they're like, but if the planet gets warmer than it might learn how to how to live in a climate and then and then we're all fucked. So how much of this is grounded in truth or is all this being extrapolated from the zombie ant? I think it's all being extrapolated from the zombie ant. And scientists are like, that's kind of a big leap from insects to humans, Like, our bodies are pretty difficult to take over their unless exactly

you've absolutely messed your body up with drinking too much coffee. Mate. Oh yeah, so I'm a prime candidate to have my body just completely possessed by fungus. Yeah. One of the first like viral articles we did, it cracked with that,

like a lot of people liked. I think I think it was Actually Jason Hargon wrote, the whole thing was like five plausible zombie apocalypse scenarios, and one of them was about like a fun I think it's a fungus, but it's like something that takes over the mind of mice and like makes them like the smell of cat urine so that the mice then like start going towards cats, which because the I don't know if it's that what the parasite likes to reproduce and cat intestines, so like

takes over the mind of the mouse or the rat to like and mice and rats are not that far from us, So I'm just saying, I mean, I have some notes. Wait, the this parasite tricks the mice into liking the smell of cat urine so that it goes to be near cats, and then the cats eat the mice, so that the pas and the intestines of the that's it's a pot that's like kind of convoluted for a move, Like if it was in the Mood a movie, you'd be like, wait, what, like that's two that's like three

st that's too complicated. But I wouldn't. Why wouldn't it just learn to like get into cat food. But no, there, it's it's it needs a middleman. It's it all means the thing you gotta get the middle man. Cat food doesn't have eyes and legs, so that mice wants to just jump down the cat's cat's throat and is doing

all the work for it. Yeah, but the degree to which it is convoluted does give me respect for and fear of fungus, because I mean, like you don't look at fungus is something that can think like multiple steps ahead. My dog can't think multiple steps ahead. Yes, yeah, you know this is playing chess. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Wow. I don't think the toxoplasmos as gandhia is the thing I'm

talking about. It's an infectious disease, but I don't. I don't think it is a a fungus because it can already like get in the bodies of like warm blooded mammals. Isn't that why pregnant people have to stay away from cat litter? Because yes, so it also like has some noticeable effects on humans, but it's like not statistically significant, but there there has been speculation that it like changes human behavior slightly. So we might all be just doing

the bidding of this one parasite. Like I think people who have it high concentrations of it and their bloodstream tend to have more cats, which of course is like that's a correlation causation thing, but yeah, you know, who knows which one came first. But that would be absolutely wild if it was like brainwashing us into being like cats, cats love me, they are my children. I mean, if so, I'm already there. Yeah you know, m that happy? It

leads to happiness. Yes, it's a parasite that leads to snuggling, all right, Yeah, so I don't know, they're like I feel like there are other parasites that we should be more worried about, because the other thing is that, like even the fungal parasite that like has the ant video clip that everybody's like seen, and does the show use that or did I just like look it up on YouTube? I think you just I don't remember seeing it on the show. Yeah, that's what aunt Man should have been about,

thank you. Yes, ant Man three quantum Mania more like ant Man three uh gets devoured by fungus. Ant brain Mania exactly opens his mouth and ants are just like swarming out. But yeah, like the ants don't turn into like rage monsters like the humans in the Last of Us. They're just like climbed to a high tree branch to

die alone and spread their sports everywhere. So there's like probably less entertaining ways to that a fungal thing probably get us, and like it does, like fungal infections happen like kill millions of people every year, so it's not like we're immune to it. It's just probably not going to like turn into a thing where people are running around biting one another, because that's also just like maybe not as effective. I do think, like, after seeing how

humanity responded to the COVID epidemic kindemic, we're fucked. Like I think we're totally like, no matter what it is,

we're completely screwed. Yeah. The thing, I mean, the show, the episodes I've seen of it so far seem like it's just a metaphor for like climate disaster, like everybody like turns on each other and like there's a shortage of supplies and people become murderous, and you know, like the main characters that we see die, like at least one of them is like killed by the lease just for being like in the wrong place at the wrong time,

you know. So like I do feel like all of these things are dealing with our impending like the part of our brain that is allowed to acknowledge that, like things are going in a really dark direction that is going to potentially cause the civilization as we know it to dissolve. I think there's I think we've always got a chance, you know. I think there's I think there's a chance, hopefully this new generation, which they must love

it when we say yeah, but they got it. Ye, Well they said that about us, and you're welcome, world, it's not about us. But then they didn't let anyone in gen Z like ever have any power. They're they're just like now we're gonna hang onto this for a little while. Actually basically until you can peel the presidency out of our cold dead hands. We will be president.

Thank you. So one of the points that the scientist makes in that first scene is like a lot of our most like mind altering substances start with fungus like ergot, psilocybin, even LSD. I didn't realize this, but LSD like comes from a fungus like in its earliest form, which is just I think this has to take over the top spot of like show that you should not start watching after you just took a psychedelog Oh yeah, like really hard to take in. It would be a tough one,

tough one to get passed. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think even worse than Walking Dead really because there's no fungal element in Walking Dead. Yeah yeah, they're not like the mushrooms are taking over your mind and telling you to do their bidding. It's also like, I guess fungi are closer to animals than plants. Really. Oh that is upsetting. Also, we inhale fungal spores with every breath we take, so and that also sounds like poetry. Yeah, okay, well I

guess I'll stop breathing. Yeah, no more coffee, no more breathing. Yeah. But anyways, with Mario movie coming along, Last of Us taking over the zeitgeist. Psilocybin on the rise. I just mushrooms are having a mom and we should all bow down to our new overlordsh Yeah, but the show stays good. Tests you're yeah, I'm only one. Yeah, it's been consistently amazing throughout episode three. Like I'm sure you already know. Prepare yourself for like an emotional hilarious right, son, you're

gonna yeah, just romp in the park. Yeah, yeah, pick me up. Super producer Rebecca is asking if we think that's why mushrooms are often used to meet so institutes and cooking. I think that's probably right, and like I've had that thought before, like when eating mushrooms, But like this feels like very savory and meaty, been in some ways because it's kind of in our brains. Yeah yeah, meat. Yeah,

that's why I'm into it. I feel like I'm devouring a soul and that's what consumption is all about for me. You know, Well, test such a pleasure having you so much fun. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you and follow you? Um at testify Barker is my handle and everything, so it's Testify with two essays. My website is test barker dot com. You can listen to my podcast Lady to Lady. Everyone says, wherever you get your podcasts, how's that so good? And is there a

work of media that you've been enjoying? Yeah? I chose This is not a tweet, but the LA Public Libraries are releasing special edition P. Twenty two library cards that I saw today on Twitter. I just thought I would share because I think that's really cool they have, you know, for our non lie listeners. P. Twenty two is the Mountain Lion that lived in Griffith Park that died recently, and so they're they're releasing library cards that have its picture on them. Amazing. I live in LA and I

needed that reminder of what P twenty two? Yeah, yeah, twenty two. Yeah, Caitlin. Pleasure having you these past couple of days on the show. Where can people find you? And is there a work media you've been enjoying? There? Sure is. I've been enjoying the rerelease of Titanic in movie theaters. Have you gone? Oh? Yeah? Yeah? I made it. I made it an event. I was like, treat this as though it's my wedding day. I want all my friends to come and um bring me gifts if you want. Yeah,

I said no gifts. Yeah, I did not say that I can give me gifts. Yes, I said guests please. And it was great. I loved every and I might go again before it leaves theaters. And then you can follow me on social media at Caitlin Durante and you can listen to my podcast that I co host with Jamie Loftus called The Bechtel Cast, and we discussed movies through an intersectional feminist lens. There you go. Let's see a tweet I've been enjoying. It's a good piece of history.

Nick Houghton forty percent German. Congratulations at forty percent German, tweeted. In nineteen ninety seven, Walmart tried to enter the German market and became a case study and failure. My favorite story from this period was that staff were trained to be friendly to customers, which freaked out some shoppers but

made others think, staff, we're hitting on them. I just I love when like stories of like when Russia opened up to you know, American consumerism and they were like, what do you mean We're supposed to smile at people, and just like just no understanding of like this unnatural state of existence where you just like and then you pretend to be happy all the time, just just pretend to force it in their rim let's smile down their throats.

And that's the other end of the spectrum of radical honesty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't like that either. I don't want to be in the middle nothing radical friendliness. Yes, hi, oh my god, how are you? Yeah, and that just completely destabilizes any like gravitational center of like your entire psychic makeup as a civilization. But it's good. It's good because it's good for selling hoses or whatever. All right, Well, you can find me on Twitter at Jack unders Core O'Brien. You

can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page on a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we post our episode on our footnotes foot we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song the week think you might enjoy? Super producer justin what song do you think people might enjoy?

On this February twenty third, This track sounds like what would happen if a UK grime artist got a hold of an instrumental that was supposed to go to like an underground Bay Area hip hop group from two tacades ago. This track is called No Gimmicks by Suspect OTB. It's one of my sister's favorite songs, like as soon as I played it for her. It's a party starter that's meant to be banged out of the window of your car, like while you're rolling up the street. It's amazing. So

you can find this song in the footnotes. That's No Gimmicks by Suspect OTB. No Gimmicks are great, great name for like a nineties rap song. I feel like yeah or like a like a nineties wrestler to walk out to, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It has those vibs for sure. Also Suspect OTV. I don't know if that's a reference to off track betting, but that just like a suspect like betting establishment. If you've ever been in OTV there there are many of their suspects, so to

be a specifically Suspect OTB is shy man. Yeah, it works on the Apple that does all right well. Daily zey Geis is a productor by Heart Radio. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio is a di i heeart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to y'all then Bye bye,