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I'm back, I'm excited, It's Monday. How you to have you here? We are thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth seats by the hosts of the Wikie Lisson podcast, which gives you a curated Wikipedia page a day. They've recently taken me on tours through the time Jimmy Carter was attacked by swamp Bunny the Bristol Stole Scale. Well, please, welcome to the show, Victor Vernado and Rachel Tishman World. What's up over the dates? Let us off, Let's do it glass right. I will be doing a lot of

crazy voices today, just let you know ahead of time. Yeah, I should should have mentioned Victor's a voice voice guy. It can be a lot though, bugs Bunny style antics. So, how how are you guys doing? You're in New York? Yeah, we're in New York. We both live in Queens in the same neighborhood. Look at that. A lot of brunch dates between you two, mostly pool. We play pool against each other a lot. We have a running tally. I'll show it to you. Well, I'll tell you what it

is right now. I'm gonna show you there's no need. I'll tell you why there's no need because I have currently forty two wins and she as thirty. It should be forty two out there, pretty evenly matched though. That's pretty good. Odds wise, it's not bad. This is NBA. You'd be fine. Yeah, you see that, Rachel, It's fine. That's what you'll be saying in a couple of weeks when I yes, when I'm ahead. Yeah, we'll see about

that licking your wounds. All right. Well, we are gonna get to know you both a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. Joe Biden has turned asylum seeking into Ticketmaster with the help of a fun app. So we're just gonna talk about the fun technocratic solution to immigration that they've come up with, and just generally

the fun technocratic world that we live in. We're gonna talk about Royal Doll's book being censored than uncensored than I don't know. We're gonna talk about the Shamrock Shake being back and having competition from Dairy Queen, all of that plenty more. But before we get to any of that bullshit, Victor Rachel, we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history? And I'll start

with you, Rachel, what's something from your search history? Something in my search history from today is a recipe for cookie dough stuffed homontoshing, oh, which is a type of cookie to celebrate the holiday of poorhum which is coming up there. You go, Okay, that sounds fancy, super delicious. Makes you want to text my friend Leor and be like, have you tried it? Would you try it? Is this sacrilegious?

Where do you feel? Where are you on the line of like this is good or this is my grandmother would kill me if she knew if if you tried hamontoshing, if you put cookie dough in hamatoshing. Oh, it's very unorthodox because the bass that I'm also doing is a chocolate chip cookie flavored bass, and so it's a cookie

stuffed cookie, so completely non traditional. Yeah, I think my grandmother would love it, honestly, love that we're talking about like the p would eventually have cheese, like find a way to stuff cheese into the cheese of their pizza yesterday. And you have like created a similar thought experiment that is like breaking my brain right now. How do you so it's like one type of cookie dough stuffed into another cookie. Yeah, it's chocolate chip cookie dough stuffed into

essentially a triangular shaped chocolate chip cookie. It is the greatness of America on display right now. Does the dough get baked or it does? It's unbaked cookie dough, So you like baked the cookies and then stuff the unbaked dough inside. It'll all be baked together, but hypothetically the cookie dough stuffing will stay soft enough. Hmm, it sounds delicious. I want to liquefied and shoot it into my arteries. Yeah, I can make that happen for you. I just thought

a stethoscope called Rachel. You everybody heard that she threatened me with murder? Did you hear that? Seems she just seemed accommodating to me, Victor, That's all I heard. What is something from your search history? Victor? I actually checked something in my search I checked something today so that I could talk about it on the show. In my search history, so it's recent search history for ten years straight. I am the number one video result when you search

for how to draw a penis? So if you google how to draw a penis, the number one video result is me, and then I'm still champion. Yeah there you are? Are you just drawing? How did this video come to be. I'll tell you how the video came to be. So a long time I also like have a production company, and so a long time ago I got a deal to do like a whole bunch of art videos where people were drawing on glass standing and then so I built inside the studio this glass that you could just drawn.

And then so one day I was on the set and I put on a fake mustache, and then I I made a character, and then I taught people how to drop penis and I put it online and it just kind of stuck around. It's amazing. It's in black and white, so it's very artistic. It's giving the artist for sure. I love this. It's on a dead YouTube channel. Like the dead YouTube channel version is the one that has stuck around forever, and so like my current it's on my current YouTube channel, but it doesn't have half

as many views as on his dead channel. The voice you did for it is incredible. Thank you. I can't really hear the voice, but you are taking it very seriously. With a very silly mustache. I do break during the video. I think that's part of the fun, because my must mustache starts falling off at one point and I started laughing, Well, you're telling me that's not a real mustache. Sorry to disappoint you. I like that you chose to go for

straight here instead of curly. I feel like everything that's naveryone's natural instinct, just like I'll do short and curly, so but these are just like whispy hairs. Yeah, yeah, the penis's hair is like kind of but yeah, very straight, like a serious for all of that stuff too. So oh great, if you're you're here it with sound, you'll know the truth. Yeah or penis guys. Amazing. Yeah, that's got to be like pretty pretty popular, right, Like I just got so many extra views for that dead channel.

That's great. Yeah, trying to find it on the real channel. Give show Victor your support, my goodness. As of right now, it is at one hundred ninety nine thousand views, so maybe you, if you're lucky, you could be the two hundred thousandth view. Really an autographed penis drawing from from me after I have studied under the tutelage of Victor Fartnato. What Yeah, so that channel, that channel, do you remember

my damn channel that I do on YouTube? So yeah, they gave me a deal for this channel, but then they they like, so we started this channel, comedy channel, and then they just imploded, and then so and then I never found the lot that I never not found, but I never got all the logging information back, so I can't it's dead. It's just broken. If we had a dollar for every day, every day video channel or magazine article, yeah, I just had to rescue all my

stuff from a v club. So it's funny the life, truly. What's something that you guys think is overrated? Shaking hands is overrated? Shaking hands? All right? Is there a better way to greet? Just a just a hello, nice to meet you. How no touching? No touching? Why why do I need to touch a stranger's hand. I really would have thought that COVID was going to kill that. It has not killed it. And it's like you just feel grimy, you feel grun and one person is trying to assert

their dominance over the other by being firmer. It's just happening in New York. Oh my god, that is the thing you always hear though, Like I remember that being like one of the first pieces of socialization that I was like, it was instructed in. I mean the first was like how to draw a penis, I learn that

from the victor. But then secondly my dad was like, here's how you shake hands, and you have to like be firm and like make eye contact and turn it into an arm wrestling match and pull them off balance, and this is how you know who's winning in the relationship. That's right, stronger handshake, Okay, that's right. I feel it. I definitely feel it. I can definitely without touching dirty hands. It's all. It's a weird thing now. I feel like when I go because I think it's happening, it's like

it's ingrained in a lot of us. So you know, you meet somebody, oh hi, I mean you just like automatically stick your hand out now like halfway through sticking my hand, and I'm like, this is a bad idea. We should not be doing this. But has your hand? Have I seen them in mass on their I photos You're not ever touching and it's over, okay. Instead, just sneak up behind them and give them a nice warm

shoulder rub. Nice that's presidential exactly. Hey, buddy, Then you're just in their ears so you don't have to talk too loud, your hand smells nice. The first thing they hear from you is, oh no, that's a terrible sid That's better though, right am? I right? No voice, hot air on your neck. And if you are really into the power play thing, the biggest like power play I've seen like this, like famous Agent I once witnessed somebody went to shake their hand and they said nah. They

didn't They didn't say no, I'm sick or anything. They just said nah. And like that that is the firmest handshake you can give. Is denying somebody a handshake while their hand is out. I want these strong boundaries and I also feel like it's so rude, but also could

I do it? Oh man, I don't know. I said I don't shake at the money status yet to pull that off, yeah, I feel like you have to have a certain threshold of I don't shake or was it just a nah, because it seems like just if you're just like nah, that seems like kind of like it's almost like a slap in the face instead of a shaken Yeah. I think they said no, I don't shake, Okay, so yeah, it was specific qualify the naw okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

let be done, Victor, what about you is something that's overrated? Um, you know, it's actually kind of related, but I will say ruthlessness is overrated. I think, yeah, absolutely, I work I work with a lot of entrepreneurs, and a lot of entrepreneurs are all about it's like and you know, all or nothing, it's ruthlessness, go go go. You have to be ruthless. You gotta if somebody doesn't make some mistake, you gotta cut them from your team. Like all that is, no,

I agree. Are you recommending ruth being ruthful or just like having a few ruths? Sorry? Yeah, I don't know why they left that antonym out of the language, but they guess they did right. Sorry trick up there, But yeah,

I don't. I'm just recommending, Like I here's the thing, Like I've talked to people about how I deal with how I deal with people, and in the core of people who work with me, I just want, really, I want people who are lifelong friends who am I really enjoy, that are good enough to get the job done well, because those are the people have to spend the most time with and that and that's not about being ruthless

all the time and just like cutting people. It's working with people so that the best, you know, job can be done. I mean I wanted to get to like sappy about it or anything like that, but I'm just trying to say ruthlessness is, especially in the work world, is just bunk. Are you saying that people are not machines and neat empathy in order to thrive and do

their best work. That's sort of what I'm saying. But he's also saying that I'm a robot too, So oh, I am, well, I guess I like you kind of like you said that they're not machines, but like I can, I can be kind of robotic sometimes we all can. Times I feel like it's sorry the Internet is turning us into robots, But I do feel like the yeah, the work at a time when like everybody's the corporate structure, the way corporations are incentivized is to be ruthlessly. It's

not just the internal business lingo. It's also like you lay off eight hundred people at Google and then like the stock price shoots up. You know, It's like that. It's the way the incentive structure is like set up in the United States, and it's fucking a disaster. My guy, macho man energy, I gotta be like destroying people in order to feel powerful. Yeah, destroying their hands in a handshake and then destroying their lives by firing them exactly

getting money out of it. Yeah. And karate chopping their heads off. Yes, that's another thing that they don't like openly share, but behind closed doors, a lot of executive coaches tell you karate chopping heads is a good way to establish dominance in the boardroom. If this were a world with no consequences, I would definitely fire people by karate chopping their heads off. Brand advice. What is something, Victor, well, let's stick with you that you think is underrated? Well,

I can't. I hate to bring this up because we're just talking about how we don't want people to be robots. But something that is underrated is chat GPT. I know a lot of people are going to be like, hey, I don't want to hear this, but some people will. I hope for some people, I'm going to make your lives a little bit better. This is why, this is why, this is my argument for convincing you to go use

chat GPT. Imagine that the absolute smartest person in the world, gave you one hundred percent of their attention and would help you with anything. Now that's it's not a person, but it's a it's a it's a it's a robot. But yeah, that's what it's like. It's it's a person who like it's the smartest. It's basically the smartest, the smartest intelligence in the world that you can get one hundred percent of their attention, ask them anything and they'll

try to help you. That's what That's why I'm saying you should use it. What kind of questions are you ask see if you found really helpful. Well, I'll tell you. Just recently I said to it, I want to take this idea I have and turn it into an app. And now three weeks later, I have a fully working app and an investor and my first business. Okay, so I was just basically batting things around the chat GPT until I as an artist. For me, it helps me

rapidly prototype anything. That's how I use it. It's like very rap and it's not like it's not it's just doing all the busy work. So for instance, you could you could do all the busy work or you could sit and think for two hours and come up with twenty different versions of a tagline, or you could have it do it in two seconds and then pick your

favorite one and then adjust it. And so it just takes away all of the busy work, and so I think that people should use it for anything that they considers busy work, especially busy mental work, because it is like a it's like a mental laborer. It'll do all the mental labor that you have to do, not the creativity, but it does do the mental labor. Got it. Do you feel like your voice as an artist is able

to still come through? Because I've seen like Craig Mason, who's the showrunner on the Last of Us, and he's got this great podcast called script Notesbody hosts with John August who are real big fish, and they were talking about like, you know, there's a lot of fear that people were going to lose jobs or like, oh suddenly we won't be a playable and their exploration with chat GPT was essentially so it's not funny or creative in that it can't Yeah, it can't develop like full thoughts

or storylines. It doesn't understand complex human emotions and how to phrase and write those things. Dialogue with total crap. But they were really excited about the prospect of like say, you're only no French and that's the language you write in, but you'd like to make Hollywood movies. They're like, it can quickly and pretty in a readable manner translate your

scripts from French to English. But that was basically their their bar if they were like, you can't You can use it for like creative plugs like you suggested, but you can't really use it as it won't take over anyone's job. Can I tell you something where I used like, can I tell you like I think that chat GPT is going to like help me, like really make a crapload of money in a really good way, and I'm

gonna tell you how it is doing it. Because what happened is that so I have a I have a podcast, like a separate podcast was just like a teaching podcast where I teach people how to do things like in the entertainment industry. And then so what I did was I took one of the most popular episodes and I was going to turn it into an ebook. But when I started turning into an ebook, I was like, I'm bored doing this, and then so I so I taught

GPT three, which is the AI behind chat GPT. I taught GPT three how to go through a podcast transcript and then turn it into an ebook and in one button push okay. And then when I figured out how to do that and program that correctly and and and do all that. That is the app that I was talking about that I made that I'm launching now because it's and and so, and you can actually look it up at the show like it's right, it's at Magic Book a fire dot AI. So like it's a real

it's a thing. Yeah, So I mean so like I mean, but I'm saying that like it because I had this very smart person to pay attention to me, like I was able to like do it. Wow, I love that. And do you did you read the New York Times article where the person was like, I think it wants to fuck me. Yeah, like that? Do you think that? Like it's not an actual intelligence, right, Like that's the that's the thing that seems to be I don't know. Not, No,

it's not. It's not an actual intelligence. But what it is is it's something that has trained how to react like humans would react to certain text prompts. So basically, it's just trained to act like a human would. And I think that I think that if a human was just getting hold of emotions, they'd be as just as annoying as that Chad that wasn't a New York Times article, because there's people like that. There's people like when they

were crowd calling it love bombing. Yeah, there's people that knew exactly that, and it could just be like not, it could be mimicking with something. It's yeah, I love you, I think we should be together. You don't love your wife. I give this conversation a three out of ten, like exactly, yeah it was. It was motherfucker Yeah, just nagging and the hell how about you, Rachel? What's something that you

think is underrated? On a completely different note, the TV show Full House is completely underrated the original, the original, the original, Okay, okay, all right, let's underrated about it? What are people not appreciating? People are like, here's this cheesy ass sitcom. They're like, the writing is bad, the acting is bad, the jokes are dumb. But you know what, like the actual story of Full House is incredibly deeply tragic, right, Like, here's this young twenty nine year old man with a Yeah.

The first season, he's twenty nine in turns thirty in approximately episode nine, ten eleven somewhere around there that I know, I know, And he has three young children, He has this wonderful house, a great job, and then his wife is killed by a drunk driver, and now he's stuck trying to figure out how to grieve while helping his children grieve, keeping them alive, keeping them well, to the point of having his best friends come in, one of

whom is his wife's living younger brother, twenty four years old, and yeah, that's Damos. And I imagine if Rachel had written the original season the original series descriptions amazing, amazing, people will be like, it's a comedy, yeah, and that's the thing they have the right. It has these horribly tragic scenes of grief and loss and trying to keep their family well and together. But then it's cut by

a laugh track. And there's just all these references throughout the series of the Mother, although that dies off after it dies off after the first couple of seasons, they don't reference her quite as much. But then there's even a couple of episodes where they reference the oldest daughter, DJ drinking a beer, and then the middle daughter Stephanie.

Later on she made some reckless friends and got in a car, and later on her friends got into a car accident, and it's just all these references back to the horrible loss that this family has faced. This is actually really touching how passionate you are about this show. I hate how do you hateful? Okay, I understand people that gets like cheesy and corny or whatever, but it's

all it's got so much higher. It is cute, a little Olsen twins, and then if you know the behind the scenes stuff, you know that their younger sister was just running around causing havoc on set. Delightful and Jesse's but there's a lot to really appreciate this show. It's so good. It's so good, and that's why it's the most underrated show. Yeah, there you go, There you go. So Joey wasn't an actual uncle, he was. He was just a friend, you know, when your parents have a

close friend and do you call yeah, yeah, the uncle. Yes, that's right. Like a lot of people in the world reference him as Uncle Joey, but not once in the entire series. Do they call him uncle Joey. He's just Danny's best friend. Oh really, really, you just call him Joey then Joe, so it's Uncle Jesse And wow, my brain is melting thought they called him uncle. That's crazy. This is this is straight up there with the Mandela effect. Guys. Yeah, I think it is. It literally is the Mendella. That

is a really good Mandela effect. I think we're gonna have to call off the rest of this episode actually, because I don't think I'm gonna be able to recover from finding out I was wrong about that. I'm really gonna have to go back to Netflix and uh not check that show off. I will say the first of the first few episodes of the first season kind of difficult to get through, but the rest of the series because they're grieving, no right exact, because they are going

through trauma. Sorry, if they're not funny enough for you, Rachel, that is that's crazy. That he's a twenty nine year old father of three. H yeah, just something about his vibe. It felt like he was late thirties at the at the youngest. But wait, how old was his oldest daughter at the time? Oh? Ten or eleven? Yeah? Man, yeah, yeah, his wife. Yeah, they were high school sweethearts and then uh, you know, things kind of happened kind of fast. But

he was a successful sportscaster. Originally he was making lots of money. Yeah yeah, wow more a full house. Yeah, one of the great shows ever. I'm so upset. That's part of my brain. Now did they move into that house? Was that a new house that they were moving into or was that the same house that they lived in with them house? That was the same house? Oh my god, that's so dark it is Mom was just there? Like, how long after her death does the show start? Only? Um,

three months? Jesus, Yeah, that's what I mean. Yes, And in the very first episode, the first scene is of so like the grandmother came in for those few months to help. And then the very first scene is when the grandmother is leaving. So the girls had already lost their mom, now their grandmother is leaving. Right, Oh my gosh, Rachel, you have to write a book called The Tragic World.

I know way too many details. We have to do this because we can now the grandma leaves as the show opens, and then like they start the next conversation, then you just hear tires, screech out the front door, and they're run to the front door. No, yes, literally, like they're crime. They're like Grandma, don't go they and like they want. There's a laugh track behind it, so it distracts you from the trauma of the loss. Is great.

All this information that is amazing, all right, And this isn't from one of your one of the Wikipedia pages that you guys did. This is just this coming from you. All right, Yeah, this is just raw. Rachel Tishman. All right, let's take a quick break while we all just kind of work through what we've just learned, and we'll be back to talk some news stories and we're back, and we're back. We're back. So this story made me scream, oh good, a technocratic solution. So it started like last week,

Biden was in Poland. He lauded the country for taking in more than one point five million Ukrainian refugees and said the American people are united in our resolve as well. And people were pointing out that as he was giving that speech, they were also introducing the toughest policies yet aimed at turning away migrants to the United States. And you know, one of the new rules is meant to replace Title forty two, which is set to expire soon. But they were posted online last week and our subject

to a thirty day public comment period. But one of the big new things is the requirement for migrants to register using the Customs and Border Patrol smartphone app. And it's just a it's a bad it's a bad apps, as frequently happens when you just open something up to the whole world using it. They launched the app in

January to expedite the process for asylum seekers. It's been a goddamn nightmare because, like its people have recorded countless errors that force users to go through all the steps only to have it crash and restart in a seemingly

endless cycle. For some reason, this reminded me of did you guys see the Cory doctor um on Twitter talking about like this, Like when he googled like a tie restaurant in his neighborhood, you know, googled it, went to the first result, which was the name of the restaurant, ordered food from it, and it like the top result was actually a Google ad that was like a cloned website that was the entire existence of the company was just to create cloned websites of the restaurant you're looking

for and then charge you fifteen percent more than the like that they'll actually put your order in. But they just like skim fifteen percent, and so they just like insert themselves into this, into this transaction and like find find little ways to to fuck you over get some

of your money without providing any service whatsoever. It just can see a most Internet companies though, right, like even your Amazons, which are like no, we house like a bunch of like these little independent companies and really helping

them get seen and sell product. And it's like sure, but you're taking a large percentage and when returns come they have to Like for example, if you buy a book on Kindle and decide to return it months later, which you can do, the authorsn't have to pay that money back to Amazon, right Like they don't take any of the brick and mortar, like you know, consequences off.

It's it's all in the same way that grub Hub if you return in order or something's not right with your order, they don't paint it on the driver or grub Hub the restaurant paste for that. Yeah, it just feels like we are not like the tech is not up to up to what we think it's up to. In a lot of cases like that, it's just yeah, yeah,

I mean I agree. But I think what the biggest problem is is that the higher you get up in and just like power or whatever, and the when people think they when people think they know what something is like they the government did not hire the best app developers. That's the real problem, because it could have worked if they just hired the right people. But somewhere in the government, somebody's like, my nephew, does app development, Fine, we can just do this project. It snap, it's a nap what

what how much? What do you have to do? Nephew, you can do it. And that's what happened, and then it blew up, right, I say, because Canada had a

similar thing. If you were flying into Canada from outside of the country during COVID, and I think even now, like you have to scan your vaccination cards and then you have to like sign a bunch of stuff and you have to vaccinated with the X amount of days, and then in order to get on your plane and then pass customs, you have to like show the results of this app that worked pretty well, I guess, which

to me is much more streamlined. It's essentially just do you have the medical requirements to enter our country, as opposed to this app, which demands people stop in every country they pass on their way to America to be like, hey, can I seek asylum here and they're like, no, go for it. But we're not working with those countries to

like bring in that information into the app. And if it's glitchy, then I just I can only imagine it causing a lot of headaches for people who are literally fighting for their lives as opposed to me, I was just trying to get to Toronto for a film festival. It seems like maybe something that a half assed app is not required here. Yeah, and then you're fleeing like a government that is trying to persecute and potentially like arrest or kill you. You might not have access to

a charged smartphone, so the internet. Yeah, the Internet say you're trying to send messages for help, but you can't get rid of the pop up app. You're like, well that's what we imagine. Yeah. We talked to a security expert on at the end of last week and we were talking about chat GPT and like AI, and they were like, Yeah, the thing that it's actually going to do is just make spam and pop ups like better at tricking you. Like that's what it's going to be.

Alike with all technology, it's all just going to be used to create the lowest denominator ads and make them better at trigging you and stealing your information. Every new technology is usually adopted by the adult film industry first. Yeah, like and so I wonder what's going I don't know, but I wonder what's happening right now, because something's happening

right sites. Yeah, let us know. But and there's just like they're not up to the task when it comes to This feels just true almost across the board over any considerable period of time, Like almost every company has a like information leak, Like one of the CBPS subcontractors was hacked in twenty nineteen, exposing private information pertaining to

thousands of random people. I was just like going back through like now that I can't have two factor authentication like through the Twitter app, I have to like have it through my iPhone. And like as I was going back through that, I was like seeing all of the you know, old passwords that I no longer use, but still like they've all been exposed like leaked and you know, hacked,

like within the last like fifteen years. Like every company is exposing your private information like they because there's just like not an overarching incentive structure for them. They're just like, yeah, there's so many of these leaks and these hacks that like we, like the consumer can't keep track of all that shit, so we just kind of keep it moving. Now.

It's just a notification that I get when I log into Tea Mobile, Like they don't even send out emails anymore, but when you log into your account, there'll just be a notification at the top like some of your information was leaked, And I was like, oh, oh cool, team Mobile. Thanks, just know that your information is in a perpetual state of being leaked. Thanks. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, at and T

same shit, Like yeah there. That's why I suggest to everybody that you don't put anything online that you're not comfortable just you know, telling everybody in the world. Yeah, nobody's making lots of money off of me, and I want to cut what Like they're taking my information and they're making money on it from from the from the data leaks. You want your data slice? Yeah, I want my data slice. And it's like what I feel like, Yeah,

but we're all worth fractions of opinion. It's just that, like we're one of three billion people who's like information they've they've leaked. Companies can pay me a lump some upfront like I do to use their apps, or they can pay me monthly based off of a percentage. I'll take money either way, totally fine to collect. Is there any technology that hasn't been completely like taken over by like spam or scams or like it. I guess like TV hasn't totally been it's just I mean, it's been

ruined by advertising. But TV is a scam, yeah, just there and there, scam this, and so it's a gateway scam. Yeah. They're all the communication, like the two way and for like phones, email, text is all just slowly being taken over by just made unusable at this point. You know what we still have in terms of unbothered two way communication is pickto at on the original Nintendo DS. Nice yeah, nice class still working. That's where we met. Yeah, if

your system works, it still works. There you go, Yeah, go to your brick and mortar stories, meet the people you buy things from. It feels good, it's better. So wait, what is picto Chat on the Nintendo DS? I missed that. I haven't played video games since and sixty four. Picto Chat was an app built into all of the original Nintendo DS's and DS lights where it's a two way communication system but it's local, so you have to be within like twenty feet or so of the other user

in order for it to work. But you could like text to each other, draw little pictures. But there were no ads on it, so it's for talking shit about teachers essentially exactly. It was perfect for using in the backseat of a car even right, right, Okay, that makes sense. Rip picto Chat. Yeah, now that we've said it, the advertisers are gonna seize on it. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And we're back.

And Roald Dahl was just censored and then uncensored briefly said, I mean, I guess they are releasing the books that have been censored. But the news that a publisher was making changes to his books, such as taking the word fat out of stories like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory drew criticism from such you know, stalwarts of the people like UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak. Salman Rushdie jumped in. But Queen Consort Camilla, Yeah, sorry, like but I don't know.

It's just generally like in theory, it's pre dumbed it to cry changes made to the work of Royal Dahl when the version we're familiar with have been changed, like the Oompa loompas of Willy Wonka's Factory were originally slaves from quote the very deepest and darkest part of African jungle where no white man had been before. And then yeah, during his lifetime, people were like that's pretty racist, right, It's it's also kind of why like that, so that

the story like talks about that. And then it's like in his novel from nineteen eighty three, The Witches, he's so for some reason, I was like, oh, this is all happening in the eighteen hundreds or something, But no, he was pretty contemporary. And The Witches point is that

he was like openly anti Semitic. I think like near the end of his life was like, I used to be anti Israel, and now I'm just like generally anti Semitic is kind of my thing, like that, that's not somebody describing him, that's him kind of talking about what

his belief was. And in the book The Whiches tells the story of a group of quote, hook nosed women who can literally print money and who liked to kidnap and murder innocent children, which is a movie I grew up watching and didn't know I remember, Yeah, I just remade it with Anne Hathaway, which people were like, that's

a wild choice, Miss Hathaway. Yeah, rold I compared this to reading like an HP Lovecraft, which if you're a black person you used to be reading a love You're like, wow, cool, mom, oh, no, six chapters of racism. I'm like, what are we doing here? It's crazy. I still like the way he put words in orders. I think sometimes fun sometimes I picture Vincent Price's voice when I've reading an HP Lovecraft. I think you could probably do similar things here, Like I love

Jeams from the Giant Peach. Oh my god, it's so good. But then you know, you learned cloud people in small Foxes, you know issues, So yeah, I don't know what I think, like trying to redo these things takes away the conversation, the same way they tried to remove the N word from all of Mark Twain's books. They were like, it's

offensive and children don't want to read it. As a black kid in all white school hated reading that book out loud in class, especially because half the teacher's book you have to say the N word, which was a lovely day for me, and the other half were like, we'll just try to skip it and move around, which is equally as awkward. I think you have to create settings to let you know kids or whoever is reading

these books, like, Okay, this is the person. Their thoughts and beliefs are going to pop up in the book, and we can examine those and have discussions around them without trying to erase what was popular, because I think that's how we get into a lot of difficult issues, like I don't know, why did we have a riot at Disney for years that had racist ass cartoon characters on them. It didn't make any sense, but people were like,

it's a classic movie. It's not. It was just a movie that did really well in the forties and then again in the eighties when racism was on the rise. So you know, you gotta take all these things with a grain of salt, and I think put them in their contextual history. Yeah, yeah, I think that it's like a lot of Well, here's my greater thought. I don't think that people should make rules for other people in general,

you know, chaos is what I'm about. But secondly, secondly, I think that I think that in this case, the smartest thing to do is just educate people like people should know, because I think that I think that both things could exist. For instance, they're in the public domain. People can actually do whatever they want with them, right now, that's just the rules. You can do whatever you want with public domain material. They can rewrite it in any

way they want to. But if they do, I think they should just label it that is rewritten or redacted or whatever. And because there's value in the original text, because the original text is a snapshot of a time and a place that the world was in, so I think it should always exist. But also, you know, I don't have to have the in word to enjoy book, Like, it doesn't have to be there, Like it's not like I'm like, I mean, if it doesn't have the in word, I won't get anything like come on, like it just

but but then but then just like it's fine. I don't know, it's fine. Like I think that if something is in the public domain, then you can just adjust it. But then just label it just so people know, Like there is a children's version of the Bible. Okay, so like the Bible is a public domain and there's a children's version. Nobody has a problem with that because you're just trying to communicate to the children because they couldn't

take the text of the Bible. Are there some things that people said in the past, maybe that was okay to put in books that maybe kids shouldn't see. Maybe, But I'm also not going to say that, Like I'm not gonna say that, Like I'm not gonna tell everybody what they must do. I'm just telling people that I would rather give people a solution, which is what I'm trying to do right now. This is a solution. Label it. Yeah. Yeah,

the and like the thing that they did. In response to this, Uproar was announced that they would also release the Rolled Doll Classics Collection, which will have the author's original text. Oh I didn't read that, so but no, but I mean that's something like they're acting like they're doing this other idea and it's like, no, you were

probably already gonna like do that selling extra books. This is how it gets weird though, right, because well, I agreed Victor, people should be allowed to do what they want to do. Trying to put up rules and force people to do what you want to do or believe how you want to believe, it's just gonna cause mess. However, if we look at the closing of Magic Mountain, right, I had characters from a movie try totally coming up

blank on the name of that movie. Now you're thinking about it, Oh, I just want to tell you that I'm a huge HP Lovecraft fan too. That's all. Yeah, because the man you got to put a word next to another word that made a great sentence. I'm sorry he just did. But yeah. So, so some of the South was essentially about like black people were happy to be slaves and a formerly enslaved black person telling this story to a white child, and sometimes he did that

with animated characters. Those characters ended up on this ride. So now that becomes like a beacon for racists. They're like, oh, this ride represents me, and I love it, and it feels good here to like common and that's why you had like very long lines of people trying to collect the water from that ride as it was being shut down,

which was mind boggling to me. You had a bunch of people of color who are Disney fanatics being like, so I can't go anywhere near that ride until it's officially closed down because people are being weird about it. I think when you get so Now, if I go into someone's house and I see the Classic collection, am I like, is this you clinging to your racism? Is this you really liking the books and enjoying them? I

certainly have a classic HPL. I just think it becomes like a very weird, sticky situation, which I guess the end result of that is like learn who you're talking to you about? But yeah, but it is, it's just it's still symbolically it gets weird for me. Well, I agree with that too, because I think that Song of the South, there's some things that are just like over a certain line and everybody kind of knows it all right.

Song of the South is one of those things that like, you know, we don't need that anymore, like you don't do you was like this is ridiculous. Please don't release this movie. Oh gosh. Yeah, everybody like, we're still doing it because the world. Yeah yeah, and it made more money when it was rereleased in the eighties. Disney was like, not I'm on VHS because that would be weird, but we'll do a theatrical release because it's a classic and

people enjoyed it and uh. Ronald Reagan's eighties were like, yeah, we will break the box office record of this movie for sure. It'll be fun. So yeah, I don't know. I guess read what you want. I guess dress of this just I mean, I hear you one hundred percent. Like I even I write up specifically about racism a lot, like I think about it all the time. As a black person with albinism. I have been around white people when they didn't know someone black is around, and so

I've seen the truth close up. So I think that I think that we don't need anything to feel racism in America anymore. Like I would get rid of all of it if I could, But I don't make the choices for everybody right difficult. Yeah, it's a shamrock shake racist jack. It's a great question, it is not it is coming back. Has anyone had the Shamrock shake besides me? Not recently? As a kid, always remember being like, it's

Shamrocks shake time. I really thought I was tasting something different, and then I learned, like, it's just a vanilla shake with green colored food Dina right now it has peppermint extract, all right, so a little different, okay, okay, yeah, you know I clocked by time passage by like what McDonalds, which I'm like, oh, the MG rib which is bad, like good for those guys. People are really gonna be happy. It's lent, so people got their fish sandwich. I know

they're happy about that. Yeah, you know, artificial scarcity. The Irish Catholics are happy we've got the Shamrock shake and the fish sandwich is for for Lent, so they're they're okay. I think the people that are most openly stereotyped and mocked are Italians, especially because Mario exists. Yeah, because like everybody everybody else, we were trying to protect, like how we depict, but but for dying people, they just have

to put up. Hey you some me Mario like and then Chris Prett does like a more grounded human impress impression is this bullshit? Give him a flat ass and no, uh Italian, I like that? What am I working with here? Marios? That is the flat ass is the most really agreed. They did not have to do that to us. Okay, yeah, a bubble and we liked it that way. Yeah, but so yeah, I mean, it's just a green milkshake injected with mint flavoring. It's back for Saint Patrick's Day season.

Some people love it. I actually don't mind it. I reminds me of like the mint chocolate chip ice cream, which I always liked as a kid, you know, so like I have that as a bassline. I think a lot of people are like, why does this taste like toothpaste? So if you're not like a mint person and like your only real encounter with mint is toothpaste, I get it. Other people described the taste as mega ass. Is one description mega ass mega ass. I've never heard as mega ass.

I've never heard it before, but I get it. Yeah. This tweet from said Big red Shirt Too tweeted never trusting white people to tell me what tastes good again, because the Shamrock Shake tasted mega ass. Okay, that's I mean I feel like you're going for the like if you want to go for a mint chocolate chip vibe. Though they have chocolate sauce. I think you could just ask them to blend it in right. That might mask the raels on another level here, Yes, I know, it's

really elevating what can be done. I keep a bottle of Hershey's syrup and my purse, Like, you know, ches, we can do better, Jack, we can do better. Hershey Syrup is not chalky, it is. It's more sugar than anything. Like they actually make my own chocolate some people. But whatever. So anyways, Darry Queen has gotten into the end of the game Saint Patrick's Day frozen dessert. It's called Under the Rainbow Shake. It's pretty, it is, it's really beautiful.

So they're bringing back the mint Brownie Blizzard. But then they've also got the Under the Rainbow Shake, which is pink with sprinkles and very pretty. They missed out on a collaboration with Lucky Charms. They could have done Lucky Charms, but then, I don't know, I guess it does speaking of chalky, I don't know. I feel like the Lucky Charms marshmallows are a bit chalky, like, I don't know that I want that, am I I wouldn't, but you know children and stoners would, and that I think it's

who they're really selling to. I think I have a couple of thoughts about the shake. Okay, under the rainbow it's not where the leper con lives. No, it's the end of the end of the rainbow. It should be called the end of the Rainbow shake. And yeah, you can even possibly go over the rainbow and lean into your Wizard of Oz heritage and just it's a magical place over the rainbow. But under the rainbow is where the rain is and not where I want to eat

an ice cream. So that's a problem. Yeah. So anyways, I'm just glad we're honoring Saint Patrick's Day with you know, thoughtful treats that you know, this one, this one is much better looking. I will say it's a it's a beautiful, colorful mass. But I can get on board with I just I mean, I love ice cream, so I'm just freaking out about talking about ice cream makes me want to go and get an ice cream. Yeah, I was just looking at gelato. I'm not even gonna lie un anymore.

But sometimes I can swilling at gelato. You know, between gelato and ice cream, gelato has more air. They're a little less dairy in your gelato than in your ice cream. Got it. And if you go to a good gelatto place, they're gonna have really good, like fresh ingredients. So and you eat it, you feel superior. I don't feel better for you, but you definitely feel about it, like God, This mingos are may gosh, wow delicious. I think you're gonna celebrate you in Patrick's day. You need to do

it like your ancestors would. Get a potato makes some I would recommend a lemon potato leak soup. It's very tasty, super delicious, cold in California. Do I want to make a potato leak soup? I might listen they were not eating this ice cream, so oh, a potato leaks soup sticks to your ribs. It's okay. I think my ancestors would just get drunk. Would be how how if I wanted to honor it the way they did. But it's also fair. Get a donk Guinness, let's do this. Yeah,

just a meal loaf of bread. Well, Victor Rachel has been such a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Guys, follow you, guys, all that good stuff awesome. You can check us out at wikilisten dot com. By the way, if if you guys want to pick a episode, you can so if you guys hear at the Daily zeite Geist. If you guys, if you two want to pick an episode, we all will dedicate it to you. Also, our episode today is about is about Cracked, and you're in it. We mentioned,

we talked, you're a little bit in it. It's the house stuff Works article. Oh, I'm sorry, it's a house stuff work. It's a house stuff Works article. Yes, and it and it details every show that's part of how stuff works, including this show, The Daily Zeitgeist. The company. Yes, amazing And if anybody wants to request an episode, we do episodes all the time by audience requests. So if anybody has a favorite Wikipedia page they don't want us to read, we'll do it. Yeah, it's done on a

stagia yet no, no, oh my god, it's a great Wikipedia. Yeah. Okay, we'll put it up like that princess from Russia. Yes, right, does it all the people who impersonated Yeah, yes, it does lots of lots of the fakes, a lot of like crazy theories. It's a good one. That's great. I can't wait. That's gonna be fun. Well, it's Tress mutant spin off. If you having to tumble down that page to do you guys have a favorite Wikipedia page? That's a good question. We sure do you chapt separate different

different pages? Yeah, Rachel was what's yours? My favorite Wikipedia page is toilet Paper Orientation, and it talks about, yeah, whether toilet paper is supposed to be over or under? In fact, the correct answer is over. Yes it is in this household. I'll tell you what. That's one of those things that it's like that circumcision, like just things that like you just put that like a sentence about that on any forum and it's going to break the yeah,

ruin people's days. Yeah, Victor, what's your favorite? My favorite is the page for dancing Mania. So dancing mania is oh you know what it is? Yeah, it's right. It's like when people get caught up in the thing but they don't really know what that thing is, and then they can't stop dancing, right, Yeah, they can't stop dancing. People start dancing and they just can't stop and they just they it's contagious. Yeah, and some people dance to

death in mainland Europe right there. Yeah, that's yeah, it's people who started dancing, stop, started dancing and just don't stop till time stop, won't stop. All right, Well, thank you guys so much for doing that, Thanks for thanks for doing an episode on how stuff works. Yeah, and thank you so much for having us. I couldn't think of a better way to spend my half birthday than being on the dailys like you have birthday. Thank you. Yeah,

you're happy to have birthday, Rachel. It's twenty seventh, my twenty seventh birthday, now, no, five, No, the day? Is it the twenty fourth, the twenty yeah, yeah, so it is the twenty fourth, but we're pretending that my half birthday is the twenty seventh. That's right. Okay, that's great. A lot of great birthdays around here. My four soon to be five year old's birthday is yesterday. Tell him to stop growing. He's five. I know. Is there a

tweet or work of media that you guys have and enjoying. Yes, yeah, just this morning, right, actually, well just Friday morning, just Friday morning, Elon Musk tweeted out the video of Joe Rogan interviewing him about his only fans page that he started. I'm dying that he started. Do you see this? So many things happened in that sentence. What his only fan page that he started while Tesla was the stock was down, so he started. He says, he starts in only fan

page to show off nudes to make extra money. This is all I think made by like I mean, I'm pretty sure made by AI. But but he tweeted it out this morning. It's it's yes, it's so funny. Yes, and it's yeah. It's Joe Rogan, Elon Musk and Jordan Peter Peterson all talking about being uh being on only fans and showing uh their their nipples and penisest out and it's there. Yeah, it's crazy. That block is holding strong because it is not cross my Twitter live. No, well, there,

you gotta understand. It's it's a funny, it's crazy. Alan Musk himself tweeted that out. What is going on? It's crazy. I'm sorry, Rachel, I cut you off. That's okay, that's okay, yeah, sorry, some ear bleach after having to listen to that. I have really been in love with the Wikipedia page for MEO recently gives mew just mio, okay, get like they're giving you the whys and the howls and what it

means when your kiddies meal and itches. Yeah, yeah, it's all about it breaks down when the kittens go from you to meow. It talks about the different toneages. There's lots of cute cat picks on there. It's really good. Stuff is lovely palatanser. That's the craziest thing about reading Wikipedia pages about normal things. I'm times it's just that

they go so deep it's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, that was a really interesting Like in the wild, cats don't actually usually vocalize, but like after a certain age, because it's just a way to communicate, like feed me to the mom. But when they're in, when they're like owned and cohabitating with a human, that's when they met out because they're like these dumb motherfuckers. It's true. Yeah, yeah, I have a cat, one cat that's very talkative and

one cat that only talks when there's trouble. When there's a problem, he's like, where's the food that I like, we have one cat who just just says, you've ignored us too long, but the other cat is like all the time, very weird thing, Joel. Where can people find you? What is a tweet or work of media you've been enjoying? Y'all know me? You can find me all of the internet. Atual Monique, it's j O E l E m O n I q u E something I've been loving on

the Internet. Okay. TikTok has a new AI filter that makes you look like your teenage self and jen xers are having a time and it's really weird and cool but also sad, but it's okay. So basically, people are doing the filter with a split screen so you can see their current self and their teenage self. But what's interesting about it is it's not to certainly focus on like the filter and like, oh look how like young

and how I am. It's like, oh, now I'm talking to my inner child and people are crying, look at how beautiful I was? I really like I didn't treat myself well or just feeling my God like I've aged so much. This is weird and what is that me? My favorite one is a mom bringing her teenage daughter into it so they can see what they would have looked like as teenagers together. Oh it's cute and heartfelt, but then scary. I didn't see any black people on it for so long. I was like, because black don't

crack and we're good. But then I saw them and they were crying too, and I was like, well, we're all by age. It's going to happen eventually. But it's really lovely. Somebody collected them on Twitter memo act ten ak t eaton if you want to check it out a collection of them, but you can also just go to ai art on TikTok and find it under that

hashtag as well. It's really it's it's wild stuff see people in their sixties looking at their teenage selves and yeah, and it's accurate, like people are like, that is what I looked like. It depends. So there's this one girl, I don't know what her ethnicity was, but she was browner and she was like, yeah, so when I was a teenager, I had a unibrow and a nose job. After I was a teenager and so I was much

uglier than what this reception is. So if you have aged naturally, most people are saying it's pretty accurate description of what they looked like as a teenager. There you go. M You can find me on Twitter. Jack underscorel Brian tweet, I've been enjoying. Abbie Norman tweeted my husband gives people the thumbs down instead of flicking them off from the car. He reports that the thumbs down makes people even more mad. I do love a good thumbs down. I'd love to

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