Pitching The Next Brand Movie, Paying With Your Face 03.20.23

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Justin Kanna Yo yo yo. It's Justin Connor, a k A. The shy town, shy guy. I am gonna chicken out on doing an AKA. I put a call out. I did put a call out, but I did not have enough time to prepare. I think I saw one or two and they were they were great. Fire. Yeah, they were great. I will do that and next time, my co host, I'm committing to that. Right here. The Jack Pierre pressured me before we started. He said I was a coward, and I agreed with him. So now I

have to do this next time. And I ripped open my shirt like Kenny Frazier and school ties and shouted it at his window. He maybe count his abs as I repented for not doing one. Yeah, so we're at one over here on the ab front. But justin and and by the way, I'm just gonna put it out here there as an open invitation, even when Miles was back next week. Maybe. I don't know. Folks get excited. Maybe, but you're always welcome to join in with an AKA. You know, you're always welcome to pop on. I'm gonna

be violent with people now. I will be this. I'm gonna disrupt the entire I'm gonna do it, like twenty minutes into the recording. Yeah, just coming in as you guys are talking about something real, say yeah, please God, those are the moments when we need it most in times like these, Justin, you have an open invitation. You got the green light to shoot away, swing away. Yeah, I'm gonna get Nathan Fielder with it. Just go please, really avant garde and strange. Let's go. Please, the show

needs it well. Justin. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the great hilarious actor, improviser, stand up comedian who you've seen on Key and Peel, Workaholics, Comedy Bang Bang. Rights for TV shows like I Don't Know Graham Crew, video games and TV shows and video games about TV shows and game TV shows about video games. Please welcome. Noted thought Dad t M. It's iffy. Want do you want? Hello? Ship boy? If he coming in strong,

ready to hold it down, get again. Carving my face out on top of my zite more. I know it's changed the light. Yeah, yeah, we'll bring it. I'm just my face is crumbling back in. I'm you're still there. You just got it just needs a few yeah, yeah, but I like the suggestion that you're carving your face back on top of other face. Yeah, it just Mount Mountain Zepmore becomes one big iffy face. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like we've made one side of my face larger.

What's good man, how are you doing? Oh man, I'm doing good. You know, it's been great, just uh enjoying. Uh. You know, I just did the Joco Cruise last week and that was a blast, you know, on a boat with a bunch of nerds doing nerdy stuff. I did some of uh and uh yeah, now I'm feeling good. You know, already already went snowboard and I'm trying to get it in as much before the uh before the

you know it ends, the ice pack melts. Climate change makes it so you I mean, the climate change is why the season is probably longer this Yeah, we got those, we got those ground shoulders though. We're good. You just yeah, we have a giant apparatus to chill the ground and well you know, we can combat global warming. Well it was It's funny because you know they're like, oh, it's rained and snowed so much that we've stopped the drought measures.

I'm like, no, keep it going, like keep it like like like let's stop thinking in the now and let's get the reserves back down. We know that, we know that we go through it because honestly, I think we just need to permanently change our water usage, you know. I think that's what it comes down to. Turns out, Yeah, but that seems to be the case. If you're going back to the cruise thing. Cruise culture is kind of controversial. Some people I hate it, some people love it. How

did you find the cruise? What were your feelings of whose culture? I gotta say, you know, they're obviously as a performer on the cruise, I am biased. I get like certain perks and stuff, but I will say, you know, it is interesting when you like the surface level is

very fun. But if you think too hard, it'll be wild because you're like, oh man, the staff is all these great, working, attentive people from the Philippines, and you're like, if all your staff is from another country, that can't you know, capitalism has taught us that can't be good, that can't be There must be a reason but one yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that they all chosen to hire outside of the US.

It's like, why why is this? What is this? Can I know what you're being paid, so I know whether the whether the really getting the ass anyway perks getting to drive the ship. You know, they refused as much as I kind of knocked on the captain's door a couple and just I want to drift. The boat's going to burn out on the sea real quick. Yeah yeah, yeah, they wouldn't let me in there. But you know the food, you know, twenty four hour access to food. Can't get

any better than that. And then we then we heard there's this thing where like a lot of older people will just do a month of cruises, where they would just keep doing because you know, it's your room and board and your food kind of paid for. It actually ends up being cheaper than like a retirement home. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of which I was gonna say, I don't know if this is like a black thing, but a lot of the older generations in my family they love a cruise.

They absolutely love a cruise. And Miles and I were talking about this too. He has a similar experience. And when I talk about my love of cruises, generally the most people it gets shot down. They're like, ah, that's that's shitty. But also though the two cruises I've been on I had hello, white people serving me, and yeah, that that felt great. So ye see, I want that

cruise that it was like a great cruise. Yeah, I mean truly, it's it's it's funny that you should say that, because yeah, no, my family was all in on cruises and you know, speaking of a mountain sight more jaquise. Neil loves the cruise. He got real hyped when he heard I was going on a cruise. He loves the cruise. He's big in the cruise culture too. But I think the first cruise I went on, I was like completely sold. I was like, yes, let's do it, let's do it.

The second one I didn't like it as much, but it was more so because I was like I kind of viewed it in this way where where I thought, this would be way more fun if everyone had the same vibe. Because on a cruise you have just mixed on this family vaca, retirement home folks, young group of folks trying to get like turned up. So between all

of that, you know, it's a very mixed bag. But something like the Joco cruise, where the whole cruise is charged and everyone's on the same vibe, it's I was like, this is what I was thinking of when I said everyone needs to be the same vibe. So that's a fair point. You can do a themed cruise. Yeah, I'd say go that route like it's joke. Oh, like the word joke. And then oh yeah, for Jonathan Colton the songwriter, it's his crew cruise, his crew, his crew cruise cruise. Yeah, yeah,

you got the cruise cruise. Amazing. CUI. All right, if you we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. Amazon is being sued for not warning customers about facial recognition technology. They had that Amazon Go store announcement where they're like, you just walk in and you get to pretend you're shoplifting white people, rich people. You get to pretend you're shoplifting for the first time,

and it'll be fun for you. But it's basically like cameras keep an eye on you, and they like know and then they just like do the math on the back end or some shit. Oh, so they don't have to have a person follow you around the entire time that I did with me. Oh cool, the cameras do the follow We've really come a long way. I love it. Yes, But anyways, New York is the only major city where it's illegal to use facial recognition technology without telling people.

So somebody in New York is suing them, which is good. I just generally like to give a nice little pat on the back anytime someone sues Amazon. Yeah, but this is an interesting story because it's about the way that they're trying to shape the world to their ends. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about yet another brand movie. Man,

they are coming fast and furious. We've talked about Air, We've talked about BlackBerry, We've talked about Tetris, and now we've got that Flame and Hot Cheetos movie, which we talked about a few years back when it first got greenlit. It's directed by Avalongoria and it's a biopick of the guy who invented Flame and Hot Cheetos allegedly, and there's a big allegedly around this movie. But it premiered at south By I think, or yeah, premiered at south By.

People seem to really love it. So we are going to continue to talk about this trend where brands are the new superheroes. Brands are the new movie protagonist. We might even pitch a couple couple more movies that we will definitely be seeing in the future. On a recent episode, if we pitched a Lunchables movie about the invention of lunchables. But we think we have some ideas for some that we are almost inevitable, so we might as well make them good. All of that plenty more were maybe just

a few of those things. But before we get to any of it, if he we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Okay, so you know, I'm just looking so something for my search history. This one is pretty simplistic. Everyone knows I'm an LA boy. Hold it down, you know, Lakers fan. You know now that I'm splitting tick season ticks with

Nick Wiger and Dave Phillips from Grand Crew. You know I've been multiple in the game, more locked in in the season, more locked in on the games Dodgers, you know, much in the same way. You know, I'm kind of loosely paying attention. I'll show up at a game or so. Let On. On the cruise, I met made a new friend, Malory Omira, this author, and also she has a book pod and she's real in a hockey and I just

went to a King's game. So that was the perfect timing of events to give me back into the hockey game. And that's the one thing I don't have. I don't have a King's jersey, so you know, I kind of went in and you know, when you buying sports jerseys are dicey, you know, like you know, rest in peace to anybody who bought a Kevin Duranters. You know, you never you know, you don't know when they're gonna stay. So you know, I had to do a little research

on the team, see who's going. And I also, of course, you know, you don't want to you don't want to be basic like you know, back in the Breeze days, you don't want to get a Drew Breezes jersey. I'm a Saints fan because you know, everyone has the Drew Breeze jersey, so I didn't get a So, I you know, Copatar, even though he's been with the Kings a very long time, you know, he's the captain. Everyone everyone has that jersey. Yeah, you know, we let Quick go. He's with the Vegas

Golden Knights. I do remember that because we won the Stanley Cup with Quick, so I couldn't get a Quick jersey. So then I just went old school and got the the classic like Lakers King's jersey with Marcel Diane. You who is who's retired. But you know, even though he ended his season with the Rangers, he has the longest stint with the Kings and is in the NHL Hockey

Hall of Fame. So I was like, that's a safe bet and get a classic, you know, because also didn't want to do gretzy another like overdone, over us, overworn. You know, you want to stand out a little bit. Do you want to stand out a little bit, but you want them to have enough prestigious to wear when they're gone, you can wear the jersey and you still

get that head nod from exactly. Yeah, that's what's up exactly because because you know, I feel like if Copatar left, like he's done his time, people would still be like, yeah, that was our guy. But I just hate be buying a because you know, if I wear someone, if I buy the jersey of someone who's on the team, now I want to wear it there. You know what I like to call sports cosplay. You know, you definitely want

to wear while they're there. So you like to wear the pads and the helmet too, Yeah, yeah, I definitely wear Yeah, I stand, yeah yeah, and I try and jump out and until the security kicks me out. But for realism, yeah, yeah. It's interesting if you said jump, you say jumping back into being a Kings fan. What was what was the pause or did you just is this the newly found thing or did you take a

little break, you know? As an as an Angelino, I've always been a fan, and then I was kind of like when we won the Stanley Cup where we beat the Rangers, that was the year I was like, I'm gonna get into hockey. I had the championship hat and I was like, this is I need to focus, I

need to support the team. But just I feel like hockey comes on at an interesting time where it's kind of, you know, it's mixed because if you're following baseball and football, I mean basketball and football, it's easy to get lost in the sauce because one kind of leads into the other. So I fell off. But because I have this new friend who actually goes to the game and watches it, that's gonna be easier for me to kind of you know, keep it going because they're gonna be going to the

games and inviting me essentially. Yeah, I identify with this because as someone born and raised in the Chicago area, we did not get televised broadcasts of the Blackhawks for a lot of the time I was growing up, and yeah, for whatever reason, they just didn't air the Blackhawks games in my area. So when that started happening, that's when the viewership started to increase, and that's when we started getting good, and like Patrick Kane came along and we

you know, we want to Stanley Cup ourselves. So I was like, know, that was when I really started getting into hockey for that brief little bit of time. I've fallen off since then, but yeah, I can I can

identify with this for sure. Oh yeah, in terms of just the overall shape of like how the sport works, like the playoffs, it really seems like kind of a crapshoot and it's just like, you know, you have huge upsets that happen on like in basketball usually like you don't have massive like swings, and it really is like I guess I could be frustrating, right that, like your team is good all year and then like another team's like has the hot goalie going into the playoffs and

suddenly like they just charged to the But it's also like keeps things really exciting and it is just an incredible exciting sport to watch in person. Yes that that part two is you know, everyone says that baseball is better in person than it is on TV, and I feel like it's about the same. I think the thing that people get excited about with baseball in person is just the stadium antics where it's like no hockey, which hockey is like pretty exciting to watch on screen too,

but they're the energy is there. Also, like the last game I went to, it made me realize that I that how much of a drinking sport it is, like like, because you know, basketball is interesting because the big thing that you see is like the kiss cam and like maybe like the like the half court shot stuff, but in a hockey it's like showing people with their beers and getting them to chug it. You're like, it would show someone with the beer they have to chug it,

And I was like, oh, this rocks. That's funny. Yeah, that's really funny. What is something you think is overrated? Oh? Man. Uh. You know something I think that's it's overrated is I think I might have done this in some way. Uh, and then this is just definitely I feel like the more you come on this pod, the harder the rats because you have those like built in overrateds, yeah, like oh yeah opinion, and then as you go you're like, Okay,

now I'm searching from overrateds. But mine is just um like getting the first, the first take, you know, like there's one thing about takes. You know, we all know about the Internet take. But I also think there's an even more fairious thing, which is people trying to be the first person to have the woke opinion. And I hate saying it now, the word woke. It's it's really devolved, Like we're you know, we're talking about back when I was on Mountain Zite Moore and coming on regularly, how

overused woke has been. And now it's become like truly a battleground. Like there's battleground states, and now we have battleground words and woke is one of them, but it's only used by Tugger Carlson at this point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, just the the rush into having like the most conscious take on something. A lot of times you just see people fumble because they didn't wait to see the situation

pan out. And this is sounding very political, and it's about to get very not political in the second when I talk about the Bayonetta voice actress debacle, which I'm I'm guessing neither of you have heard about that or no about I say that about how could you think that I missed the Bayonetta voice actress debacle? But I do want to hear your take on it. I'm familiar with Bayonetta, I have not gotten into the whole culture behind the voice acting of it. Well, then the new

one isn't going to have the original voice actress. And she hopped on Twitter and she was like, I had to pass on this role because they were only offering me three thousand dollars. And you know whoever, you know, you know whatever, that actress that took the role just no,

you'll never be the real Bayonetta whatever, whatever. And the person who took the role was Jennifer Hale, who is like a very prestigious voice actor, most popularly known as the voices of Female Shepherd in the mass Effects series Just Just the Goat. So and also she's very very like a like a union stand like she's big about sag,

making sure video games go sag. When she when the voice actors struck against you know, the video game community for sag roles, she would host you know, these talks at her own home to help, you know, non non union voice actors why they shouldn't break the picket line, like she's in it. So it's a rough accusation. And then of course it eventually comes out that she negotiated a price and they and they accepted it, and then she tried to negotiate higher and they're like, well, we

can't pay that, so they went somewhere else. But they're like, you know, but you know, we'll give you a cameo and you know, for all that done, it will give you three K. And that was the full story. And so that comes out, and you have all these people who were like yelling and like standing on the front lines to be the first to like know what's going on.

Instead of just being like, oh damn, we had the wrong information and fucked up, they would they would do these this back pedaling where it's like, well it's still kind of fucked up that you know, and to me, I was like, you put yourself in that position because you wanted to be the first person who was right, instead of being like, let me see the situation unfold.

And I don't mean it in the way where we had you know, video footage of black bodies laying on the street, and you had you know, conservatives being like, well, let's wait till all the facts come out, because the facts was the video that we all could see. I'm saying that when one person is saying something and it's truly not you know, you don't need to stand your

ground there. You can just wait to see the response in that maybe you can wait that out so and rushing to get first if you're wrong, maybe maybe maybe just say you're wrong, Yeah, stop being afraid of being wrong. And that is a take that I think I've said before.

This kind of reminds me of that, like on the conservative side, that story where like Ben Shapiro was trying to get someone on his network and then they were like, oh, I'm mad about what I'm getting paid, and then people took sides and then the full story came out of like that guy was getting so much money and opportunity and he was just complaining for no reason. But then the lines have been drawn and it just kind of span out, and yeah, it's hard to have people really

want to have a hot take. I think it's, you know, that instant gratification of like, look how authentic I was. But first and then you have to be like, oh wait, no I didn't. I didn't mean that. As soon as you are found to be wrong, which means you were never authentic, So you have to you have to really be careful and pick and choose your battles. Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back, and if he what is something that

you think is underrated? Oh? Okay, you know you know what was coming from from underrated? It's snowboarding. There's been a you know, snowboarding. I've been I'm a huge into winter sports guy. Look at you. Yeah, I'm a big winter sports guy. I was talking about hockey, now I'm talking about snowboarding. I this is my second season snowboarding.

I'm like completely hooked. And it was one of those things, you know, I grew up in LA and I just thought it was so far from me, not knowing that you can just drive up to Palm Dale and there's

a there's one there and big Bear. But like before I continue, I will acknowledge it is a very expensive sport to get into because it's like you know, usually anywhere from one hundred, two hundred and fifty for a lift ticket if you don't have if you don't have equipment, fifty for a rental, and like the gas to get up there, if you're staying up there. It's expensive. But if you can or if you like, you know, slowly build up your your boots and helmet, you can like

piece it together. You can make it work. It it's a workout. It's a good workout. You know. Yes, there's been people who just get bodied, but you know, take your time, play it safe, and you shouldn't get bodied unless you're the skier who I definitely bodied. Coming down

the mountain yesterday, I'm sorry. I apologize. I tried to stop and the snow said you're going, and I just tackled her and she looked so mad, and I was like, I'm so sorry, because you know you have I'm I'm I'm a i'm a two bills plus eighty coming at you and this small woman just got just trucked. But she was good. She was able to get up. She wasn't happy, but she was good. So that's that. That's gonna be my underrated It's snow. It takes a little.

It takes a little like pushing past the because I just learned how to ski like two years ago. Because my you know, we had a my dad's a basketball coach and so like during during the winter it was basketball season. We didn't really like do anything other than you know, basketball, and yeah, so like I just learned, and man, it is like when you're going down the bunny slopes as a thirty nine year old man. Uh like that was my kids were like going with me.

But it's definitely it was definitely like worth it once I once I got the hang of it. Oh yeah. I mean also, like the way athletes process things are so different. Because I have a friend who's like, you know, in the running for like NFL stuff and all that, and I invite him snowboarding. Goes when I'm done playing football, I will do it, right, It was like I can't

risk being injured. Well that's the other thing. Yeah, when you're just learning it as an older person, the risk of injury is much much high you are, you know, like I did well, I didn't really like I got the win knocked out of me on one jump, but like for the most part, I'm good, but I'm still the next day like woof. Yeah yeah, yeah, you're like parts of you are sword that you didn't know you had parts there. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean with I mean carrying your equipment up the up the mountain too.

When I mean I was I was younger when I the last time I skied, I think I only went like three times, but last time I was like in grade school. But you know, getting on the lifts that we had to do sometimes you know, the skis were attached to the bottom of your feat but sometimes you had to carry that ship all the way up the mountain, and uh, that wasn't fun. So it's it's a it's a good like workout, and I do kind of miss it.

I remember having like the most fun I've ever had while also being the most exhausted I've ever been at the end of the day. Yeah yeah, whoops your ass. Yeah I stopped yesterday because I physically had to like yeah, like my thigh my like right, quad basically knotted up into what felt like a ball. Yeah, and I could not physically snowboard. I had to unstrap myself and limped down the mountain and everyone's like everything on write and it's like, oh no, I'm not. It was to be like,

I'm not injured. I'm just tired. Yeah, yeah, just old. We're just just old. Don't worry about me. Yeah. Yeah. And you're a You're a very one of the more fit people I know. So I mean, yeah, it's gonna it's gonna kick your ass out there, yolks, but we're worth it. Try Definitely. It's definitely fun. All right. Let's

talk about Amazon. They're being sued always just a happy little bit of news, who knows if it's gonna go anywhere, But they're being sued in New York in particular for having facial recognition, just loosing facial recognition technology onto their consumer base without really checking with the consumers. And that is against the law only in New York City, as lonely city where people might want to know about this. Yeah,

what is this? Europe? We got to tell people stuff, Come on, But yeah, I mean the whole idea is to so just walk out technology is what they're calling it. They put up signs in forming people more than a year after the law went into effect. But it's like using biometrics and cameras to basically track people, like recognize them when they walk in, and then they can walk out with the stuff and you have paid for it. Essentially,

they'll just like charge your account. And the whole idea here is that it's to reduce they call human interactions like friction. Like their goal is to completely turn us into autonomous consumption machines. And there's no good way to monetize like human interaction, and in fact, it makes the

purchase the purchases move slower. So they're just trying to design a skinner box maze that is like lonelier and more focused on the efficiency of like getting the thing you want and leaving, which in the moment feels good,

like they like you. You want to be able to skip the line in the moment, right, But at the same time, like I just feel like we're building towards like we're seeing you know, people's responses on like metrics of loneliness, and you know, we're seeing things like deaths of despair go through the roof as we get more and more just like funneled into these little individualized consumption boxes where we're like okay, and then I like use my phone to order the food it gets dropped off

on my porch, and then I go into the store and don't talk to anyone. I just you know, keep keep my eyes in on me, get the stuff I want, and then walk out and like that. That's the old that's their ultimate goal here, And I think it's kind of in line with what our instincts tell us we want in the moment, but what overall is probably going to be bad for us. Yeah. I think it's the same concept as like the checkout lines, where there's a primary like directive for it, and then there's a secondary

I think layer to it. Well, they'll use it to victimize themselves, to be like we tried to make it more convenient for you guys, but you just keep like, you know, stealing from us because we made it too easy to steal from us, and we trusted you, And I just I don't like how they use this technology as a way to claim it's easier for us, and then I feel like there's a twofold reason for doing it.

It might seem good in the short term for them, but then they can also use these friction lists interactions as a way to see like, well, our customers are taking advantage of us somehow, so let's tighten the belt or like you know, that's that's monitor them even more and it's they're overreaching. They always have been, but it's

getting like really scary and invasive too. Yeah. Yeah, And I think it doesn't help that they hit it, you know, Like that's the thing where it doesn't garner trust when your first instinct was to not tell anyone about it, because what's the use of like what? I think you're right, like, there is a lot of reason to have it. And if they were like, oh, the way that this technology works is we you know, we're able to track your

face and da da da. You know you would know, but you inherently know that people are able to do the mental math to be like, oh, but to do that the thing, and they're still denying it. They're like, no,

we're not using facial recognition technology. Only shoppers who choose to enroll an Amazon One and choose to be identified by hovering their palm over the Amazon One device have their palm by metric data securely collected and these individuals are provided the appropriate privacy just I think that's how

it is in most places. But I know they're experimenting with the facial recognition ship, like they've had like test cases where people are like, I just walked in and walked out with the ship and they were they charged me. So yeah. And also it's the thing where it's like you can say that you're not, but it's like the facial you're saying that. In fact, the facial recognition software is there. So it's not like that automatically turns off if I don't sign up for your do hicky app.

It's not like that my face isn't being tracked, because for that to work, my face has to be tracked, like not in the sense that you're trying to track me, but you need to track me to discern me from the ones who did sign up. So in some way, shape or form, that would mean that you have my face in your in your database. And we've also seen time and time again how easy it is for that to immediately turn into oh. And then also the cops are now able to subpoena this from PS that's that's

the truly scary part. And they're not going to tell you that they're doing that either. And it reminds me of like that that James Dolan story about him monitoring people who came into the venues he owned with facial recognition technology. And we're going to see this story a lot more. Like I'm sure there's going to be a story about Elon Musk using, you know, biometric scanners to monitor his ex girlfriends or something like that. Like it's this is gonna come up. Oh, don't don't get me started.

I have I do own a Tesla model. Why and what's wild about that? And I didn't even know. But for the longest, you know, from the inception of this car, they've put a cabin camera where like it's it's like right where your rear view mirror would be, but there's a small circle and there's been a cabin camera there. They don't I didn't know. It isn't overtly anywhere, and I would because I when I was waiting for the

car and I was excited. I was looking at all the features and stuff, and it wasn't until they just did, like, oh, to update for the self driving feature. No. First they were like, in this update, we are you can give us permission to upload the cabin the cabin camera. And I was like cabin camera and I look up and I was like, oh, there's been a camera in my car this whole time that looks in and sees me driving.

And then they added the like self driving, which like it's self driving is is such a headache because like I get all sides of it right where it's like you got the people who aren't self driving, and they and they don't want to be on the road with these essentially a beta experiment with this, right. But then so they're trying to cover their tracks. Why They're like, well, with self driving, you have to have hands on the wheel looking at the road and all that. And it

was like, well, then why am I using this? Obviously if I want self driving it so I can do other things other than driving, Like no one wants to be if my hands are on the wheels and here's there, Why am I just not driving like that's just drive like you are self driving, sure, but I'm I'm driving obviously I want to like answer emails and all that stuff.

And now and now they have the cabin camera, so that if you're not looking at the road, if you're not facing forward, it's gonna be like, hey, you're not looking at the road, and after I warned you a couple of times, it'll shut it off and then you

can't use it. And then if it shuts off like that five times, you get it revoked, which also is going to put it in iffy territory because for people like me who pay for the self driving where it's like you pay ten brand for this extra feature that now can be ripped for you if you don't follow these rules. Mind you new rules that they have just

been implemented, like they added. So I'm like this, this feels like if the territory, but I'm sure when you signed it for the car there was some thing that says like, you know, you have to follow these rules, no matter future future rules, and Bullfield like yeah, and if the territory is what you call your house, yeah yeah, you're also your debut album. Yeah yeah, if you're territory, uh yeah. So it's so it's very interesting to see

how we're going to go. And I think the the steps would have been internally beta testing, passing tests, going to the Department of Transposition Transportation getting it very vetted. But everything is moving at light speed and there's just so much issue. But honestly, like everyone's like, I don't want to be on a car on the road with a Tesla drive, I was like, actually, I think I want more people auto driving because y'all can't drive. Like everyone's I don't want to be honest like, no, you

can't drive. I've seen you. I've been on the road with you. You cannot drive. You can blame the Tesla all you want, but before there was Tesla's on the road, you were still driving bad, and now you know you have something to blame. Instead of being like, no, I've saw I've saw two cars flipped over in the past two days and none of them were Teslas. Y'all can't drive. Stop trying to blame like the look, I'm not Elon sucks. I'm not the Tesla drivers. We drive bad too, but

you drive. It's not them or us. We all drive in bad out here. So let's get the technology that lets us all just get traveled around like trains, so we're not fucking up our day but causing an accident on the four oh five that's gonna make a thirty minute trip three hours. Yeah, Elon Musk is allowed to

watch your cabin camera footage and jerk off. I think I think about that often because every time I'm mad at him, I do look at the camera and say fuck you, which is daily, so you know, I wonder because you know, all of the stuff is over the air updates, so like they're like, I do wonder if there's just one. He is the type of person to be so petty that we won't start. Yes, you said

something mean about me on Twitter. Yes, I'm sure you pay some assistant to aggregate all of the people who said some shit about him and then fox with their teslas if they bought one. Yeah. Yeah, he's got too much power. I mean James Dolan like picked some person who insulted him years before, was that a Rockets show and with her kids and like was forcibly removed from the premises and had to like wait outside while her kids were like finishing the show because of facial recognition technology.

So he said he didn't do it. So this is another example of people like doing this and being like no, no, no, not me. Yeah, just more and more like brittle billionaire egos, like with more and more powerful technology is going probably not a good path to be on, but well we'll see it coming. Yeah, I know, good luck to us.

I mean with the self driving ship. Like six years ago, they released a viral video where a car like drives a long distance and they like did the whole thing, and we're like there was a person in the driver receipt purely for legal reasons, they didn't touch it. And then like it turns out we just found out this year they were lying about that they had like preprogrammed the entire route, like it it was not what they were claiming it to be. But yeah, they're they're just

out in front of it. Like that's that's the thing is Like if they were doing things the way that you were describing, where it's like they get the Department of Transportation on board. The Department of Transportation was not basically just scared of every industry and every billionaire and actually like did their job of like protecting people and you know, overseeing train monopolies and shit, Like we might be in okay shape, but like, yeah, I don't know.

With with things the way they are, I just feel like they're they're going to be like accidents. I don't know if they'll be at the same rate as like the accidents people will be causing on their own, but then there will be like, Okay, there's a beta update to address that, and it'll just be very like haphazard.

There's something unnerving about the whole thing. Yeah, and I'm excited to see where the counter culture go, Like the counter movement comes for that, because I've seen a few things where there's like this fashion movement of certain garments like hoodies or whatever that like scramble facial recognition technology and things like that, and I find that fascinating. There's gonna be two sides of the coin here, and they're gonna spread farther and farther out from each other. Yeah,

it looks cool. I love it in theory, but I feel like time and again in America, we keep being like, man, what's the art? What's the response to Trump gonna be? What's gonna And it's like people are just too busy working so that they can have healthcare to like unless things like shut down with the pandemic like that, people like don't have the time to scramble together a resistance yeah, so I mean, but yeah, it would be dope if

like everybody got together and said fuck the billionaires. And I think there are cool examples of that that will highlight in days and years to come for sure. All Right, well let's take a quick break and then we'll talk about how brands are the new movie protect We'll be right back, and we're back, and when it rains, it pours. We've been highlighting, you know, the Air Jordan origin stories coming out. There was a BlackBerry origin story trailer that

dropped earlier last week that actually looked fun. People seem like on board with this Tetris one. It's, you know, a very cool story. So like that this seems to be not just a couple isolated incidents. But like you know, we've been saying, like it makes sense that brands would

be the new movie protagonists. They're like what we're going to have in so superhero movies because or you know what we have instead of like the royals that Shakespeare wrote about, we have brands because brands, actually corporations are the thing that makes all the decisions that rule us, which is why like succession is popular. It's like these are the things that control our lives. They're American dynasties. Yes. And so with all of that said, news of the

latest one. We knew, we had heard that this was in the works early on, but they actually just premiered the Flame and Hot Cheetos origin story at south By Southwest and people seem to be on board. People are like, it's actually really fun, y'all. Yeah, sorry, which is also what I'm hearing about Air and what I'm here about the BlackBerry movie and the Techers movie. It's like that, sorry, this is just who we are unfortunately, Like this is that, this is what a good movie is now. And yeah,

you know, I liked the social network. I mean I think I think it makes sense. You know, we are this, uh we were we're so consumed by brands now right because we're like locked in on the on the Internet. And I think some good can come from, uh, from movies like this, like Air and so where you kind of dehumanize the brand, where you're like, no, this is an idea made up of people, and these are the

people behind it. Because there's this weirdness when you see brands of social media and like the brand managers running the account and doing memes that it gives these brands a personality person yeah, And I feel like movies like these can actually work against that hopefully and be like Nope, this is a company and this is the people behind it. And I think Social Network is a great idea because I feel like that movie was the downfall of the

like making you know, Mark Zuckerberg seem cool. Like I feel like that once that movie came out, people are like, oh, he is kind of a dick and he hasn't It made me seem more charismatic than he really is, because Jesse Eisenberg is like the actor who's very charismatic on screen. But it also was like, yeah, but like what this dude decided ultimately to do was big and vast and fucked up, like real fucked up and not you know, not something that he probably wanted to approve. Like that's

you know, I think best case scenario. It gives us more insights like that worst case scenario, though, we're like getting to see these people making corporate decisions and like they're being like made into heroes, while like the things that make those corporate decisions possible is like you know, grinding lower paid workers to you know, and just you know, people being threatened with starvation and lack of healthcare. Yeah,

I mean work around the clock. Yeah, and I'm actually here for this, like we're are you alluded to this earlier Jack about there's like a big allegedly caveat with the origin story about the full truthfulness of it or not, And actually we should just talk about that before I

give my point about sure. Yeah, So this movie, the Flame and Hot Cheetos movie, is the story of a somebody who I think was like framed as a custodian in the original origin story who worked for Freedo Lay and was just like a big fan of their work and was also, you know, a tinkerer, had a little

shed in his backyard. So Richard Montanez is his name, and he basically tells the story that he, you know, worked for Friedo Lay in like custodial capacity or it was like, you know, a lower level work or I think it was first pitched as like he was a custodian and then tinkered with these flavors like putting elote like Mexican you know, the Mexican street food of elote, of like grilled corn with lime and chili and he was like, what if we put those spices on Cheetos,

like what like these would be good? And then like it was so good that he then like brought it to the Friedo Lay CEO at the time, Roger Enrico, and he was like, this is brilliant and flaming hot Cheetos was born. Except for the fact that Friedo La claims like none of that is true, and I still don't know like where I fall on this, Like somebody want to see somebody to do like a real deep

dive into yeah, what part of it is true? Because obviously, like Friedo Lay is not going to want to be overshadowed or also like legally liable to like pay this person more than what they have already paid. So they're like, you know, actually it was it was being test marketed already when he claims to have come up with this idea and just like real like their story seems to

want it both ways. They're like, we came up with this idea and it's a very boring story of like test kitchens and marketing and and none of his thing is true, but we love him and we're here to celebrate Richard and he contributed in some way, but not a way that's legally liable to us, Like, yeah, I'm actually here for this, like because you know how many examples of whitewashing do we have where we find out the person who really invented something was from a marginalized

community while some landowning white man claimed all the credit. So so, and also to their credit they're even willing to I guess they added in lines where they poke fun, like a narrative, lines where they poked fun at this maybe not being all the way true necessarily, which is

much more than my history books ever did. So I feel like, you know, this is a good Like you know, if sure fictionalized more origin stories of companies or take all the white people out of it, put more black and brown people and people of color in there, people from marginalized communities, and say they did it, and I don't care if it's a lie. I like the representation. It's more than what we've had before. So yeah, yeah,

I like seeing this. Yeah no, I I yeah, I'm always wary of companies being like, no, that's not true. We were doing the test kitchen. I was like, okay, who is the head chef? Who was it because it was a white person, then its story still stands because a white person like pull that from his culture, you know, where it's like it's like the cool shows the receipts, because you know, usually that's how they response guy's idea

of mayonnaise cheetos. Yeah, instead they're like, take my word for it, please, how about we dump the cheetos and milk. I'm just a little worried that these cheetos are gonna be too spicy and they're gonna cause people to masturbate, which was that that's one, so we'll get to it. Yeah, because that's where corn flakes came from, was them being like, we need to create a food so bland that it will make kids stop jerking on. But yeah, it's a it's a mess. But like this is apparently a messy,

fun movie that like relishes in certain exaggerations. It's less the founder and more like it's got some adaptation like vibes to it where you don't know really what to believe, but it's it's a little bit fun and I'm I'm I'm happy with that. Yeah, this seems like a fun way to approach that and apparently a longoria doing a doing some good work and her directorial debut, So that's that's exciting. Yeah, and and these movies can be fun. We already pointed out, like, you know, the Mighty Ducks.

I had fun with that when I was a child. That's kind of what you know, It's it's more about like team and stuff, but there's branding all over that shit. Oh yeah, yeah, Mighty Ducks, Angels in the Outfield, of course, the true story behind the formation of the California Angels

baseball team. But I mean, like there is a pretty good track record with these movies, like Moneyball, I would put in this category because it's like telling the purported true story behind like the Oakland A's like like relevance. They didn't even win anything, but they were like relevant for a period of time when they had a very

low payroll social network. Ford versus Ferrari was I think the most recent example of this that was like Oscar nominated the Founder Steve Jobs and all the Steve Jobs movies like that, the genre of Steve Jobs movies becoming, yeah, its own thing. So that leads me to the question of, like we already pitched lunchables, like the Lunchable story told from the perspective of because that was like Oscar Meyer was like, nobody wants to eat hot dogs and bologna anymore,

what do we do? And they invented lunchables and became it became like one of the most profitable thing in foods, but also gave a bunch of people horrible health issues because it's one of the least healthy foods ever pawned off like sold two children. But I could definitely see, like, I'm kind of surprised that I haven't already heard about a Coca Cola origin story movie like that. They must

just be being very precious with that. But the origin story of Coca Cola is like has to be the holy grail of these movies because it was invented by a heroine or like morphine addict who like veteran of the Civil War, where everybody came out of that war addicted to morphine because they were all, you know, shot up and in so much pain. I can I can imagine maybe Coca Cola doesn't want to be associated with the breaking bad type character, but I think they should

poke fun at them. They would have so much respect for them if they did it. Yeah, yeah, and like so at that time, one of the treatments for morphet addiction was cocaine. They're like, try this, this healthy drug.

And that's where he found out about cocaine and how he started putting it in his beverage and just you know, the immediate out of control popularity of coca cola because it had cocaine and it people were like, give me a, give me a. I think they would call it a dope at the time, and it would be like three times stronger than it was meant to be. They would just like put extra extra syrup in it, and people

would just run around high out of their mind. It's the most American thing that's ever happened, like the whole pulling yourself up from your bootstraps capitalism drug induced many you gotta you gotta love it. Yeah, somebody like this might need to be its own like long running HBO series or something, because there's there's a lot of story there. Absolutely. And then Elon Musk of course, like the Elon Musk movies probably you know, fifteen twenty years from now are

going to be coming twenty twenty four, relentlessly coming in. Yes, he's shopping it around right now. I also, and on a serious note, I did we I pitched the Patagonia movie at the beginning of the record session just because, like, that guy has an interesting legacy. I'm not fully immersed in everything that happened there. I just know some people in the area that he took over in Chile. He bought a lot of property with the intention of preserving

this area and making it pristine. And but you know, the guy who owned it was, you know, this rich white guy who was buying land in a country with indigenous folks who were skeptical of him. And there's a lot of stuff there. There's environmentalism, there's activism, there's capitalism, there's adventure. Because that guy was going all around. I keep saying that guy because I don't know his name, but um, you know, he was climbing mountains, he was kayaking.

There's a whole like fantastical like Yellowstone type of movie in there somewhere. Yeah, he left the company to the employees, I thought, or at least yeah or something doing that, and then he died tragically while he was like he would think he was kayaking on a river and drowned or something. But yeah, it's a fascinating story there. Yeah, yeah, how about you if if he any like pitches for brands, I mean, there's got to be some good like the

invention of the I want the Mountain Dew story. Oh yeah, we messed it. There's Mountain ale to X games, you know, and it'll be like it'll be like a like a like a triple X action extreme sports, you know, from Moonshine to kick Flips I love, yeah, like the Moonshiners. I mean that this is actually the origin of NASCAR people running Moonshine around in those cars that looked like that in evading the police. So I mean NASCAR and Mountain Dew could have a great yeah yeah, oh hell

yeah that sounds amazing. Green lighted Hollywood, take our idea. There you go, you know. And also this is a very uh a a very specific an extremely specific like point of of hitting this up. But there was a thing where there was this company called Chatters in Utah and it was basically a bootleg in and Out because at the time, In and Out only was in California and I think Las Vegas those were the like it was.

It was being like we're a California restaurant, and so they made the bootleg Chatters and In and outsooed them. I think they try. I had to have the defense of like, well, in and Out only exists in California, and so in and Out basically made an in and out in Utah after that case. And now that there's one in and Out that's in Utah because of this Chatters. So it's like instead of the founder, it's like the origin story of McDowell's. Yeah, it's like version. If you

build it, they would come type by. That sounds incredible, and Utah is fascinating, like just all the all the weird culture that that pops up there, floating soda shops from food too. Yeah, amazing. Well, if he as always truly a pleasure of having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? You find me if you wad away on Twitter and Instagram and that's where you'll be locked in on all

the things I'm up to. Yeah. Yeah, And is there a tweet or work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh yeah, I have to load it up right there. It's a you know, I'll describe it for the listener at home, which is gonna be you know, interesting if you've not familiar with the game. But it's a picture of my alert from the Fallout series, which are these large kind of crab human norm things, and the tweet just says they be eaten shit like this in Louisiana. And the first time I saw it, I laughed for

thirty minutes straight. And then you keep laughing as you scroll down the replies, and there's a bunch of Louisiana ins being like yeah and like like not even deflecting, not denying the accusations. They're like, yes, we would fry that shit up. Yeah, just the crawdads, the yeah, the little things they yeah, crawling, they pull some wild looking, bug looking shit out of the mud and make it delicious. Yea.

I sent it to my sister just to see, you know, because mom's side off New Orleans, so you know, we raised on that type beat. And she said, lameo, that little than a lang be the best part two, Like they've already figured out the parts that would taste good, Like that's how far people in Louisiana are. Deep in the shellfish and sea booty. They're like, we know what parts of this is going to be good? Yeah, that's amazing. Justin where can people find you? Is there a work

of media you've been enjoying? You can find me at Jacon the Smith on Instagram and Instagram only that's j C O N t H E S M I T H and um. I don't. I don't really have that much content that I follow, but I do like this photographer out of New York who I'm sure many of the Sight Gang is already following because he's literally got a million followers. He goes by New York Nico online on Instagram. He's just got a lot of wholesome, just slice of life takes from New York where he's just

aiming his camera at interesting people. He calls himself the unofficial Talent Scout of New York City. Just vignettes of beautiful people showing themselves to you and sharing their experience. So you can find New York Nico on Instagram. Oh right, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Brian tweet I've been enjoying well. First of all, Emma Tolkien tweeted. Mark Strong is Stanley Tucci's warrior. I did I have been going through my life thinking Mark Strong was Stanley Tucci.

Like I was just like, there goes Tucci again in another because oh you know what, Yeah, I didn't know this guy by name, but yeah, I can see it. Yeah, I thought that was they were the same. They just have the shape of the bald head, the glasses, the chin shape. Yeah. Yeah. And then Vaccoon on Twitter tweeted a picture of the part and Man of Steel twenty thirteen, ten year old movie. But at least this observation, I'll

never get tired of people pointing this out. Kevin Costner plays Clark Kent's dad, and it is, I believe the midpoint of the movie, he just gets like devoured by a tornado that Superman like clearly could have saved him from if he was like willing to use his superpowers, but like doesn't because he wants to like stay in the closet as a superhero or like that's his dad's theory, because his dad's like, there's a tornado it's about to

just like swallow him. Hole. It doesn't stop him. He puts up his hand in his like and so back when like tweeted a screen cap of that and said Clark, No, I deserve the cold embrace of the grave. Use your heightened senses to stand there and listen to reshred my body. Did you hear that one son? That was a fence post? It just went clear through my stomach and yeah, I don't know. Oh God got a loose. Superhero movies, got to love them well. Soon enough they will be replaced

by branding the invention of Cool Ranch Derito's movies. Hell, yeah, multiple, they'll have multiple of those. It'll be like Armageddon and Deep Impact Flavor. Yeah, multiple Cool Ranch origin story movies coming out in the same month. Anyways. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscorel Brian. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeygeist. We're at the Daily

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these coming weeks. We don't know, So I'm not going to be here for Wednesday's recording either, so I kind of want to make these last few songs count. So this is one of my favorite songs I used to play when I was djaying a lot, and this song is an Italian trap song that I believe is about uh receiving toppy, as the kids might say. You know, google translate to get the okay. I've a friend who's Sicilian and heard the lyrics and she was like, what

was it? And so you know it's it's about getting the old, the old moist mouth, I think, But I don't speak Italian, so I'm not sure. But if anyone it is, it is, I had to do it. Um. Anyone in the Zeit gang who does speak Italian, please give me a rundown to what this guy is saying because sounds freaky. Um. Also, if you have a sound system, I highly suggest calibrating everything to where it needs to be and letting this ship bank because it has a

low deep end. Um. But this is super CALLI Frigida by the Clerk and Moodembi and you can find that song in the footnotes Footnotes. The Daily zet Guys is the production of iHeartRadio. From more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to you all then bye bye. Back to