German History Buff or Nazi Fan Boy? 04.11.23

too far into the future. National Submarine Day, National eight track Day, National Cheese Fawn Due Day for my people stuck in nineteen eighty two, Get your fondue fountains ready. I've had fun duke. You have you ever had fon du I've had fund that it has been years. I feel like I had it in nineteen eighty nine, like when I was five years old, and I've never had it since. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of people with their fund set the way and they just

haven't haven't been back out. Hey. The cheese always seemed very like light and I don't know, I don't know what that cheese was. I think it should if it had been caso. I think I would have been. That's our American fondue basically, Ko, you know what I mean, without fund, without the like stainless steel skeewers and stuff to just dip pieces of branding. Right well, my name is Jack O'Brien ak swollen thighs, swollen, sweet little thighs.

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recording podcasts. Rocking the baby him one arm right now, shout out my mom, who who's came to hold him in and give him some food right now. But in upcoming episodes you may hear him in the fucking studio opened me, so prepare thyselves for that for his podcast debut. Yeah, shout out to the child. He has risen. He has risen. Yes, we're thrilled to be joined by a very funny creator, writer,

performer who you've probably seen on TikTok. I was letting them know before we started recording that when I wrote TikTok into my notes app, it auto corrected to pick Tom. That's how frequently I am referencing and talking about TikTok. He's gone viral, talking about everything from performed mediocrity to the ratatusical. It's Woodland, Pierra Bell you, thank you, thank you for having to have you. Great to have you, great to have you? Yeah, where are you coming to

us from today? Um? We don't have to talk about this. Yeah, you know. I I'm I'm the Lightland Oregon. Okay, okay, shout out to the PDX. I don't know how they landed on that on that acronym, but it's my first time here. I'm I'm coming from New York to Portland for like two months working on some puking of some cool stuff. Okay, cool cool Yeax. Their airport, well why are they so? Do they know that other cities have airports because they're very proud of like just focused on

their airport they Yeah, they call it the PDX. They had, like the Blazers had a uniform that was inspired by the carpet in the PDX airport. It's like such a

big part of the culture, which I don't know. I think I've been to the airport and it just it feels like an inadvertent time capsule, a little bit like when you when you when you land you know, when I landed on the the they got off the plane and everyone who I guess was a local when they were dismounting and they got into the airport, they touched the ground one time, they like Keyboater and did the sign of the cross. I just wanted to fit in,

so I did it too. Yeah. Did you cross yourself too? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah. It was really powerful. It was really powerful. Point up. Yeah, I take a little bit of green carpet, cross yourself and then give it up to it. Must be pretty proud of the airport, Yeah, because I think the airport is PDX. But the PDX, like acronym whatever, has transcended into so many other things. It's like on trash cans and like graffitied everywhere. They're so excited about the airport,

right it was good. It was good. It's the same thing I think like that I was reading. I was right, now, I'm like, where's the X come from. It's the same reason why we have lax lax Yeah, yeah, where it's

just it's like a placehold. But it's apparently like a placeholder because P and D like first and last letter of it, and then is then they put X. They said this person said in the Night Seen forties, the i TA started assigning three letter codes after an increase in airports led to a shortage of two letter codes. Taking the National Weather Service symbol for a p D. They added to X several other episodes, air I said

episode it's like I'm Australian or something. Several other airports also added X too, like Phoenix went to pH X not because of the X at the end of Phoenix and then don't use that example. Yeah, all right, reading that's funny because I was like, no, I mean it stands for international, because international of course has an X. And wait what what where where did my mind that you're criss crossing It's like you're criss crossing X. Yeah, well,

something like it's international like exoticism. There's something exotic about that he has a letter and yeah, yeah, you know it's like very yeah, very like like like nineteen ninety nine marketing. It's like pd X. I also just love how yeah. Like Rebecca's all in the check because used to live in Portland. She's like, it's so fun and it's every time I go. I always stopped by the Pendleton like Kiosk, and I'm like, do I buy the Big Lebowski dude sweater? This time? I'm in the Portland Airport.

I always do this thing where I'm like, I'm like I look at it on the rack and I'm like, I might do that. Nope, Okay, I was definitely underselling the Portland Airport. There is a movie theater in the airport. I love that. I did see that, Yeah, and they were I watched The Big Lebowski. It was my first time, and they're like, please exit through the gift shop where you can buy the sweater you just saw. You're like, how American? All right, Whitland? Were you gonna get to

know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the fun things we're talking about today. I just have a follow up on the Clarence Thomas story, the pro Publica story. But I know you guys talked about last week, but the Wall Street Journal came to weigh in on things. They basically nothing to see here the whole thing in a way that I thought was kind of funny. There's also emerging details about is his name Harlan Crow? Yeah,

it is like coscripted better fucking rules. That is chef's kiss, best fictional name for that guy, just written in my reality. Well done. We're also going to talk about the No Labels Party because you know they're going for it. Yeah, they're we're tired here on the Daily Zye guist of the extreme right and also the extreme like Joe Biden.

Joe Biden is their definition of the extreme left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we'll talk about what what their whole thing is because you're gonna be hearing more and more about the thing. So the No Labels Party, Yeah, it's not a front for corporate greed at all, just like labels, and we're using that to It's like the fun Boys, like I don't like to put a label on anything, but to try and like use trying to use that to get away with some shit. We don't put labels on anything

like you sound like ethno nationalists. We don't like labels. We don't like labels. Actually, we're a group of concerned Americans. I think is a motion so funny that they went with no labels. Anyways, all that plenty more, But first withland, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? So literally the first thing that that comes up, and I might be telling on myself and like in a bunch of different ways of lyrics too never too much by the band ros Oh yeah, never

too much, never too much much. Yeah, it's gonna be a twenty minute roun. Yeah. Well, the dude, there's some slap basic rank rank on the fucking for all my music lovers out there. It's nasty, it's nasty. Yeah, but yeah, yeah what what what the what did you get hung up on some of the lyrics? No? You know, first off, yeah, there are so many lyrics because he's right, he lived feeling like the deepest story in three verses, you know what I mean, from the beginning to end of this romance.

You know, I still remember all those days when I was scared to touch you. Like, whoa, where we where are we doing? Yeah? But uh this I'm in Portland doing a production of choir Boy, which is a played by Terrell McCraney, who's like the resident play red Eye Yale University, University of Yale. I'm I'm but a low life creature who knows not the formal name of the Yale. I just know it as Yale Yale. That's how you know your university's like really made. It is when it

doesn't need a last name anymore. Yeah, Yale, like like Rihanna, like Prince, Like yeah, it was fenty because of the products. I was like, oh, that's your last name, okay, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm finding that I know. I was like, oh yeah, Ron, that makes sense there it is. But yeah, and you know he won the Oscar for

Moonlight and so on. But he he is a brilliant play quote Choirboy that I saw twenty eighteen in New York and I've been able to do a couple of productions in the last year, so I'm importantly doing it now. And it's about music musically is at the center of the show. It's like it's a quote unquote play with music not a musical allegedly. Wait what is the difference there? I'm because I'm not. I don't know the nuances of something like, Oh, musicals have like they're structure in a

really particular way. There's something called the Rogers and Hammers. Then structure that like comes from the nineteen forties and fifties and dramatatically when you're thinking about the structure of how these things are built, if you check a certain number of these boxes, then they'll be like, you're a musical. I guess. Also, whoever wrote it gets to the side. But the main tell is do you use song to compel blot or this song just happened because it's cool

and we like song right right right? Like I think of that Norm McDonald s and l sketch where he's just the one person in the musical who doesn't know he's in a musical and everybody like breaks in a song and he's like, what the hell is the hell was that? Like that that doesn't have like the music when when people are singing, it's not it's the way people would sing in everyday life. It's not like they're just forwarding the plot. Oh yeah, like yeah, like they're

like diagetic and non diagetic sounders. Yeah, and he's good where people are like our conscious that they're singing, because every musical now is like bringing you all of Tina Turners hit, you know, right in the in the in the studio. But yeah, like plays with music. Usually it's people who are like sit around the campfire and huh thing our old favorite song that Dad used to sing, something like that, I'm a shining so my guiding like my love fantasy. I never you know, you know him.

I had to look up because I never knew. I always misheard love Fantasy. I was like your love and Tissy, I like, I couldn't the way he puts some you know, his own little funk on it. I was always miss hearing love Fantasy. I was like, am I love I again? I was hearing it through a child's ears until later on I was like miss like singing it, and I was like, let me know what I'm saying. I'm loud here loving that Tissy. Yeah, my love I know That's what I was like. I don't know, Luther, I'm nine

my love fantasy. It also made me think. It also made me think, like in the way that this production anticipates that the Aunties will show up and like sing along and bran where I'm like, the whole bit is that I don't know the words in the context of the show, right in the way that they were like hoping these Aunties will show up and be like love fantasy right right right now. I'm like when I someday I'll go to a play and I'll be like a tornado pool around my room. You know what is gonna be.

I've been thinking about you you no, no, no, thou yeah? Or do you not think so so hard? Yea? Thinking about forever? That song in an arenas Frank I should just puts the mic out for the part where he goes up like like, oh man, I love it. So you're performing. So there's a play you loved when you saw it and then now you're performing in it. Yeah. Yeah,

It's like a really dopeful circle moment. I did it in New Haven and and uh, you know, Terrell m. Crani, the playwright, got to participate and was really present in the room like wrote new scenes and stuff. It was like a wow, really was like whoa, this is a lot of loops are closing right now. So it was brilliant. It was Yeah, that's cool. What is What's something you think is overrated? Non chain restaurants? I think I think it's getting out of hand. PDX. You hear that, PDX

because they don't have that. We don't care for your stuff. Sparrow spelled a different ways rabos. But I you know, I just especially in the context so and especially in the context of like you know, dating and like trying to get and this is gonna sound so awful, but I I want I'll start here. I want. On a road trip with my dad a couple of months ago, and he like it doesn't eat a lot of red meat. You know, he's at that age where he's like, I can't eat this. I can't eat that, I can't eat this.

I'm like, okay, great, but it's just it was his birthday right, and I'm like orchestrated this whole thing. And he's like, I want to steak really bad, Okay, Like I just wanted good at steak. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's get that ship. Yeah run yeah. So I'm I'm googling. We're in Chicago at the time. I'm googling. I'm like

where's the best steak? Let me get it? Huh. We show up to this spot and when I tell you, they burned the steak and the vegetables were like shopped so pretentiously and like you know what I mean, like flame mignon, you know, and it's a non chain, so it's tasks, like you know what I mean, right right,

So I'm like, damn, I'm upset. I'm like, you want me to pay for this and I just like try to be yelled for views that he probably paid someone to do, you know who never would have done this to me, you know who never would have let me down. The Red Lobster out back, Yeah, red lobster. You know. Yeah,

everything's on a fucking timer. Like it's so like they've completely taken out the humanity from cooking, like in those places that it's full proof where it's like yep, store it at this temp so you can only you know, put it at this side, this side, and then you get consistency. But I know, yeah, and I know that feeling. There are all these circumstances where it's like I actually need things to go to plan, like very specifically that

I'm like, I look, I just met this person. I really can't fumble with the restaurant being awful, right, but I also can't take you to an Applebee's. And that's that's it's kidding. It's just so. I'm on Change. I'm on Google reviews yeah, all the time, and I'm so sick of them. Wow. Yeah, Well, especially to people who don't use pictures, I'm like to put a picture up. Yeah, you gotta see what you're dealing with. I think also to you know, great restaurant. I was Importland last time.

Was there. I don't know if you've been there. It's like this Thaie restaurant where they also have like barbecue. It's like a few they have like a white brisket curry that was like it's unbelievable. Okay, I'll just say that. I just I got that tip from some Portlanders when I was out there. It's can I how many locations do they have? They got one? No, I'm good, Oh we're out. It was so good. There'd be so good. They should have seven locations. McDonald Is it as good

as McDonald's. Yeah? Yeah. Becca Becca's on board. Yeah, Becca h I spend time here and like me and I will wait on the list. I actually am like I haven't gotten to leave the couple of blocks radio so where I'm staying, and it is interesting, like Portland is actually really dope and you I've never lived in a place where you can look out the window and sea mountains, which is great. I'm from Florida. That shouldn't Okay, Okay, it's all right, we'll get it. Okay, yeah, please do Yeah.

I know, I know we said you could you could swear on this, but that was a little bit yeah, content content, morning content when the come on, I'm from Florida. What is what something you think is under raged? Fallout Boy dropped down album fallout Boy, Yeah, fallout Boy. Okay, the new album is you know, it's good. It's that you know, but it just sent me back to you know. According to them, this new album is like a return to form, you know, kind of for their pre hiatus work.

They're They're like, yeah, this is you know, this is the music that we would have made if we never took that break in like two thousand and nine or something, right, wow. And then I went back and I listened to the music pre hiatus, and I was like, this sound sounds crazy to see that Fall Up Boys underrated because I think they are one of the most commercially successful rock bands in like the history of the world, right, sure,

but how they're esteemed in like the mainstream or you know. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, like you, I'm like, you should, I should see more of you. I feel like, you know, thanks for the memories and infinity on high. Like that's another band who I didn't know what the fuck they were saying. That's no, that's just valid, that's valid. Were going down. I was like, I used to be like I'm going dag like and I was like, I think

that's what they're saying. Those are the words, right, it's down in an earlier round, And I was like, what I remember because her majesty, she like she was singing. I was like, wait, what the fuck are they saying? It's like god going down in earlier round and I'm going down swinging, And I was like, well she figured that out, No, she was. She was like a fan enough to know what the fuck the words were. But I'm more just going by like AMBI like, you know,

it's in the background. I'm like, oh, it's that song dad, I used to this is this is something exaggerating. But I used to not like music very much, you know, as a child, you know what I mean. I guess I don't act, you don't know, all right, But I'm always I'm always like perplexed too when people like I've met one person who sincere was like, I really don't

like music, and I remember it was like a date. Yeah. Yeah, it was like on a date when I was like just getting out of college, and I was so confused. I was like, is this like a contrarian take or whatever, and they're like no, I just like, I mean, it's fine, but I just don't find myself like ever wanting to listen to me music. That's how I was until I was like seven, essentially, like I was like, yeah, music is cool, like other people like music, and I listen

to their music, but I had no opinions. I'll say I had no opinions, and I go to my public library. Shout out to public library, save your public library. Yeah, and I picked up this like blue out CD album off it and I just took it home and it was take this tier Grave, which is like fall up with like first or second like pull length album, right, And that shit changed my fucking life. I had no reason to feel the angst that they were trying, like

trying to get through. But I felt it deep in my body, you know what I mean, in my bones. I did that ship was live right, And so I'm indocted deeply enough that now when people talk about not understanding the lyrics to Sugar, we're going down for relatability reasons. I agree, But I know every word. Oh I don't need a translator for Patrick something anymore. I understand. It's like, I mean, that was the one. When I learned it.

I bothered to know all those words because I always it was like one of those just like word salad things I just knew the sound of. And then then when I when I figured out loaded God complex, cock it and pull it was I know, I was like, whoa, okay, alright, loo God Complex, And I was like, okay, now that I can sing along. There's another song that they're that where fucking Pete wentz He says I love you in the same way. There's a chapel in a hospital. What yo,

shut up, shut up? That's a bar people kidding me? Hey man? Like it was never so serious until he took it. There so this new album is like they're fully on the emo pop thing, like they're they're back in it basically, Yeah, you know they're they're you know, it's not they haven't taken it all the way back. I think that they're like crossed a commercial I don't

want to say that they sold out. That sounds so annoying to say, but they are like sold out, man, No, but they they're older now, they've like crossed the commercial threshold and so like, you know, as much as they can, Like, I can't imagine that this would have been their next step if in a in a multiverse where the hiatus didn't happen, right, But there's nothing like that last album right before they took a break while the Crazy Bangers

and there, you know, they're just doing something's gonna pruse. I'm gonna pruise that bad catalog though, Yeah, definitely, I'm gonna be looking for other phrases that I want to get tattooed on my body, like which one view in the same way, there's a chapel in a hospital that is a tattoo. Dude, Oh could you get that on your throat? Really tight? Cursed flags? Yeah, like filigree around it to make it hard. Yeah, do you want to see mine? Oh yeah, let's see your throat. Yeah, I've

got it. It's lower back. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Just let me pull up my waistband down a little bit so you can see it's right above the tailbone. Yeah, lower back. Hella betica, yeah new because yeah, the deal. I'm thinking of a church steeple with snakes going around it, you know, a little little feature to go along around the words. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. Chime in, or someone do some photoshop with us with our fallout boi lyrics tattoos on our All right, let's take a

quick break. We'll come back and talk about some news. And we're back. And so I know you guys talked about the Clarence Thomas were so much more though since then, So this conversation definitely has to continue. It's well, what a story. First of all, shout out to pro publica. So Wall Street Journal over the weekend came through and they dove into defend Clarence Thomas and the entire system that they believe in rich rich guy supremacy. I guess yea.

And their defense was to describe the events, like while making a jerk off hand gesture like seems to be they're like, guy has a rich friend, so what then they just like quote big chunks of it and act like then what they described isn't just beyond the pale for someone who's on the highest court in the fucking way there the pieces loaded with words and phrases intended

to convey that this is all somehow disreputable. Wait, this is this is from the from from and then they're quoting were from super yat, luxury trips, Exclusive California, all male retreat, sprawling ranch, private chefs lavishing the justice with gifts, and like none of those elaborate like a super yacht.

I'm pretty sure it's probably like legally defined as like when you're selling your yacht, I'm sure there's like a designation of like super yacht that you have to or like a private chef is different from a non private chef. They're not. That's not a laic like over use of adjectives. That is what it is. And it's yeah, wow, when I when I was buying and then when I sold my first super yacht, yeah you tell us, that's why

it was it was part of a brand sponsorship. It was like superto yeah, yeah, coming to clear Water, Florida this summer. Get your actually just superts now right right right exactly. It's easy for any person to have it. But I think, I mean, from watching below deck, I think it's like seventy like eighty feet or something is when it's super yacht. I'm sure the mega yachts like

beyond that, but whatever. Either way, they like just saying seeing that he took him on a yacht trip and more like and it's big, so we're gonna call it a super yeah, yeah, like that's what it is. It's like so you can understand what the context is like, Claiming a private chef is like whoa guys lay off. It feels like it is written by people who are like, I don't like to think of him as my private chef. He's really part of the family who does not eat

with us on the property. He does not eat with us, eye contact with us. But the fuck are you looking at? Mark? Though? It's yeah and yeah. Based on the previous owners. When we bought this plantation, we found out that the shock that he actually stays in for some of the other helpers previously. It's really it's just very whimsical, and it used to be a great people who have been in

the very quaint, very quaint. He loves it. And they also come in and say that he technically like doesn't have to disclose any of this ship, which like that, I'm sorry, okay, but like, their whole article seems to be based on the premise that people don't have a right to know that he hangs out with a guy who collects Hitler memorabilia. We'll get to that in a second.

But like and takes him on massive trips and has like a very clear political bent that is sending him in a or that happens to coincide with this wild direction that has sent American a very anti democratic direction. Like and this like self described like balls and Strikes philosophical instrument is actually made up of, you know, people who are being courted constantly by people with like very extreme right wing political opinions like that that feels like

relevant information. I don't give a fucking like they've gotten to Congress enough that like, well, technically they don't need to mention it. It's still I'm glad I know it. You know I always suspected it, but I'm glad that I now have the ability to know it. And the fact that the Wall Street journals like this is their editorial board. This isn't This isn't like some opinion columnists the Wall Street Journal like speaking with their full chest

being like, get out of here. This is adjectival overkill, and they're trying to, you know, make something, make a mole hill out of or a mental Nazi memori artifacts. So even the Pro Public article I don't think even mentioned this, but no, Harlan Crow's house is full of Hitler art, like art made by Hitler. Yeah, and it's important to note that it's hanging on a wall next to like a Norman Rockwell paint. Yeah. He's even got like check out my teapot. Look it's got a and

h on it. Guess whose it was? Like, Yeah, you have Hitler's fucking like private teapot. And you're like, just uh, just for I'm just into history. You know, I'm not stealth Nazi. I mean, not to play Double's advocate here, but like, are they errooms? Are they like family? You know that? Right? Was it his grandfather's I mean, like I'm sure. Maybe his people were there, right, did he storm the Eagles nest and and and get that? And maybe that's his to have I don't know, or he

oh he bought it at auction? Oh yeah yeah, yeah has the next yeah, like a Norman Rockwell and also like a George Bush painting, like George W. Bush, which like the reason I'm assuming he's not putting those up next to each other to make a point about George Bush, Like he's not being like, yeah Bush did nine to eleven? Am I right? Folks, He's probably up here being like he's like he did that shit, yeah, look at it. That's how he's he's picking it up. You know. He

also has sitting bulls death mask? Does he's the one who has sitting bulls death masks? Yeah? I remember when like some rich conservative billionaire got that. Yeah he has it. He's the one who has it. Wow. And they're like, uh, maybe that the Lakota people should have that. But there's like, yeah, out I got this too, bro. Like he's he's got it all, like any fucking thing you would be like, oh fuck, this is Red Flag City. He's got it all. Yeah.

He has a whole garden of sculptures of like the worst dictators of all time, and the morning News, Like a reporter from the Dallas Morning News visited and we're like, hey, what what what? What's your deal with all the Nazi stuff? Like asked the question that any human being would be, like, what's what's up with all the Hitler stuff? Sorry? A signed copy of Mind comp is one of the things that he has just worth noting, signed by I believe

Adolf Hitler. I believe you could have said an author signed copy of a German Okay, maybe I don't know, maybe Obama signed. I don't know, right, he would say that, he's like, it's actually Obama signed it. So where zero If this reporter came in like crows like this, you know, famously, everyone's like what perfect Southern gentleman. But when you ask about the Nazi art, he gets visibly uncomfortable and doesn't doesn't have much to say on that subject, which is interesting, Yeah,

because he's got it there for all to see. It is wild. How Like there's like this one conservative opinion writer who like, when I think Patriot takes was like tweeting out images of his like Garden of Evil that has like Stalin and other people and shit in it that this guy comes in and he said, it's not a tribute to evil or something to be mocked. It's an attempt to commemorate the horrors of the twentieth century in the spirit of never Again. Harlan Crowe is a

deeply horrible, decent and patriotic person. He's not the straw man Thomas Hayters are trying to make him right, right, right, never again. But unless you come here and you can look at it again and again right, rather than like, yeah, I don't know what they mean by that. I mean I understand that we always use that in like terms like of like you know, you know, the Holocaust is like the most famous one that we think about, especially in the US, or something like that, or we do

like never forget. But it's like so hollow, especially when you put it all together with like his political bend, his love of Nazi stuff, which I don't think there's ever been a person who unless you're like in charge of a historical collection for a museum, right, I don't

know how you collect Nazi stuff. And it's not because on some level you're like romanticizing it and because you're like, I love these little treasures from this time I wish I was living in I mean, especially like like when you you pair that with like the hyper exclusivity that you know that a man like this like keeps in terms of who has access to seeing these things and is invited into his private spaces and who's intimately like related to him enough to to see them. There's like

a valor in the way that he's displaying them. All these pictures like that, the pictures of the Hitler merch it looks like I mean, it's like not on display. It's like it looked like something he brought out of a briefcase because you because you you know, he made a joke. He really liked that his dinner party or something like that, right right, He's like, what you're cool? You want to see cool? Ye see something? No? Yeah, here, pull on the fourteenth tooth of this skull. That's crazy. Yeah,

this crap. Uh, let me just put in the code from my vault here one four eight eight Okay, great, click open? Can we cut that out? I know. Well, here's the thing. I'm like, really it's surprising, though, Two, how little the Democrats are doing to be like this,

like we have to do everything. We can't obviously there's no way they can impeach them because they don't have the fucking votes for that, But like to just sit when one person was like, I don't know if the American people have an appetite for another Supreme Court controversy, and that's why I will just like sit on it. You're like, wow, wow, wow, Brent Havanaugh thing caught well

counted against us. That's what application of that is that we were that that's our fault and we the people are mad that they had to be dragged through it, and yeah they I mean, yeah, I know you skipped over a Yeah, I mean that was another just right through the door. But I think it's it's it is really something that has to be like uttered over and over again, because between this and Jimmy Thomas, you're like, yeah,

the fuck on, these people are so fucking flagrant. It's just you know, And I think that's part of his little way of feeling like like you can't take me down. You tried to do that at my confirmation and fuck you, like I'm just on my own shit, like I'm I think he just feels he's invincible. And now when you have the backing of people like this and like you're chumming it up with like Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society, you're like, come on, like you're seeing them all hang

out in the fucking like evil doers layer together. Yeah, but of course, and like how a lot of conservatives will do, Like I'm just seeing some friends hanging out on a on a fishing trip and you're like, these are the architects of our judicial fuckery. Yeah, getting together, Like again, they love to take this is like the

new thing that I'm seeing a lot of. It's not just not just as with the Clarence Thomas thing, a lot of like oh so what he did, like it was a paperwork error for like Trump's indictment or something like that. It's all just trying to take everything out and just distill it down to a thing every person could relate to, you know, And yeah, it's yeah. It also it also makes me think of there are these uh, there're these like TikTok. I mean, it's it's so funny.

They're the children. Man. I work on it a lot, so a little TikTok at the other hand, but I think it's so like every time I see what the kids are doing, I'm like, you're tapped into something crazy, you know what I mean, You're tapped into something incredibly brilliant, like immedically or like philosophically or something like. I think that.

I just think it's really impressive the way that TikTok fosters community and encourages young children to like really process differently, you know the world and the way it's happening around them. But there are there's a trend where via this like AI voice modulator, you can take on the voices of

different people. And so all of these videos have come out of like Donald Trump, Barack Obama, then Shapiro whatever, different political pundits that you would expect to be on opposite ends of the spectrum coming together and they're like they're like playing Minecraft together, or they're like debating a Pokemon tier list, you know, and and in a way

it's like, oh, this is ridiculous. But also like the thing the great Unifier, there is a unifier amongst all of these men, Like there is something the way they're both invested in like imperial interests, you know what I mean, in capitalist interest in preserving this union as it is, right right, there is a lot in common between Shapiro and Trump and Obama that would bring them together. That's definitely gonna happen Before I ever up on a Twitch

stream with again Joe Biden. That's that's way more likely. Like they have a group chat. I'm never going to be in that group chat, you know. Now, I'm here with like my earliest area people, right, And it's like, yeah, at the end of the day, I'm like, parents, Thomas does super yacht with his buddies. I'm sure, oh yeah, oh yeah, and his buddies collect to think Hitler was

an underrated artist. They're like, god, I'm just saying, like, you look at some of the brushwork, and but it's yeah, to your point, Miles, like they want to get real up close and like question the grammar in the article pointing this shit out, and it's just like just take a take a step back, trying to take a historical

view of this. And we have somebody who was a driving force behind doing a wildly anti democratic thing, an overturning Row and his wife tried to overthrow the last US presidential election, and he's hanging with a guy who collects Hitler and DICKT. Gerrard and like society, it's a very clear picture. I don't like, Yeah, I'm I might not know all the legalities or what's going to hold up in a fucking impeachment hearing, but I think, yeah, pretty,

it's painting a pretty clear picture. It's like the same way you think of like how chummy Clinton was with like the finance industry. Yeah, and why Wall Street was deregulated on his on his watch, because he's just he's talking to the homies and he's like, oh yeah, okay, sounds like that. Okay, I might be able to do that for you. That's my that's something you get with

access to me. And I actually agree on your worldview because I'd rather maintain the status quo that the richest people can extract as much capital out of wherever the fuck they want to until, you know, for as long as they'd like. Yeah. And in this sense, you know, all of these guys are getting together with their ideas about how to you know, restrict power and consolidate it in very small places and you know, have a real

wonderful plutocracy formally. And I think, yeah, all of it together is definitely disconcerting, But I think with them, with like the Wall Street Journal and these other politicians, again, they know how bad it looks. So all they're doing is they're figuring out what's our response to this that is seemingly reasonable and gives people who take our takes open mouth uncritically that they can just start regurgitating out into the world and start saying, oh, so, what those

are his friends? What do you want him to do? Not hang out with his friends? He can't have friends, And you're like, that's not what this is about. But way to just completely, you know, reconfigure what the actual point of outrage is, to just bring it down to something very simple. And it's also interesting too because they're doing, like we've talked about it, I've kept joking about in the context of them like deracializing, like the Rosa Park

story in certain text books. It's like, yeah, they'd love to just make that also about a woman sat in a bus seat she shouldn't have, but because she was, because of who who she was, we won't even mention race. And then it all worked out and you're like, what is that story? Even at this point someone who was on a bus and you're like, yeah, moving on, that's all it was. That's a story about buses mainly, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can all agree on that. And a really rude

man had nothing to do with segradation. This guy just or it's like, or this really rude woman who just wouldn't follow the rules, but that might be this she didn't actually, yeah, nothing came of that. Okay, we'll just leave it there. We don't know her name. You know, it makes me think of the already you haven't. I'm sure you haven't, as you're not children if you remember

rainbow Fish. No, I'm old. Think. I was working in I was working in public schools for a while and was in with a kindergarten class and they were like, it's time. Usually our teacher reads us a book from the Sholf And I was like, ah shit, oh the book The Rainbow Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah that. I was like, oh yeah, rainbow Fish hard, yeah,

gets hard. So I pull it off and I'm thinking, I'm going to read this like really wholesome story of but it totally maybe reflect on like how these stories like so a political under they have a political underbelly, right, it's like, this fish has a beautiful rainbow scales, and the more of the stories that a wise octopus tells the rainbow fish, if you want to live peacefully amongst your community and belong there, you have to literally shed these rainbow scales off of your body and give one

to each of your community members so that you can all homogenize. Otherwise you'll never belong here, they'll never accept you. And like the kids are like, I'm like, what do you guys think of that story? They're like, rainbow fish did the right thing by assimilating their autonomy to assimilate. Yeah, And I'm like, I don't know, are you sure? Yeah? We want to fit in and nothing else. It's like, I don't know, do you think that she should have given the busy enough? It's like that's the story is

going to be written, right right, very yeah. And then you because because you see how much like when you like look at these books that are supposedly outraging parents and stuff, they're all they're always the ones that are about like inclusivity, right, in equality, And then you know that's like I just don't I just don't want these messages talk to my kids because that you guys are getting them too early with these books and then start

telling me that I'm being discriminatory or racist. What the fuck is happening? It's like, fuck you, Oh so so you thought you would go study early childhood development but you could get them jump on me, tuck you right, one of my kids out the charter right right home school. Yeah, let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk about why we don't like labels. Right, we're not trying to label anything, which I suspect Carlin Crowe is might so.

And we're back, and you mentioned the Clintonian Democratic Party, which starting to think I can I can picture some candidates who might be a good fit for this no Labels party. But why don't you tell us what the what the no Labels political Party is and what what it means for twenty twenty four. Yeah, we've brought it up in the contact that like they announced it. They're like, there needs to be a unity ticket. We're like, get

the fuck out of my face. You who you would? Okay, go over there and do that, but that's not what people are interested in anyway. So they're saying, like too, you were saying in the intro, they're like, you know, we need an alternative for people that are fed up with the extreme right and extreme left. And really I just want to just before I, you know, get into it. It's really easy to look at it like this. They're a fucking front group for billionaires and other corporate interests.

That's all this thing is. Then that they're using this fucking label like no labels thing to try and act like we're not here to cape for corporate interests. We're just trying to say, like, is there like a middle ground between like fascism and like affordable housing right there

we can find can we do something like that? And right now the narrative that people are seeing is just like that they have seventy million dollars and they're merely just looking at the possibility of entering the twenty twenty four race. But observers have began raising alarms that they're basically using loopholes to skirt campaign finance laws that would have them disclose who exactly is funding this bs A corporate interests without getting into like the wonky policy of

it all. Essentially, what is going to happen is these wealthy people are going to pull their money together and then secretly pick a candidate that they feel will tow the line. And the loophole they're exploiting is they don't have to disclose any of their donors until they formally nominated a candidate. So it's not in controls of those laws about campaign finance and what gets to disclosed. Is

that a Supreme Court, Yeah, they had a hand in that. Yeah, a few decisions a Citizens United might have helped up. But there's another decision in twenty ten that relates specifically to this loophole. But yeah, we know about dark money and how it fucking infiltrates everywhere, so it's it's gonna be very very murky up until then. But if you're like it makes sense that people want an alternative, keep in mind that this group has been making it rain

on corporate members of Congress since twenty ten. Recently, you probably saw their handiwork in the Joe Mansion in Kirsten Cinema doing fuck all and you know, standing in the way of nuking the filibuster. They were basically elevating them, spending money on like their reelections, doing whatever they can to support them, as well as Josh Gottheimer, who's another Democrat.

Democrat who's in the problem Solver's Caucus, which again is just a loose assortment of corporate Democrats and Republicans who are just like, look, dude, we're here to just do whatever the fuck you guys are asking us, and we'll do it, and under the guise of we're solving problems. But it's because we answer to the same people, which

is our very wealthy benefactors. So anyway, this is like the thing that's getting really murky though, right, is that you know that a third party ticket in twenty twenty four would most only benefit the GOP and No Labels doesn't even have like an articulated policy agenda yet or a platform. All their website says is vague shit about Americans not wanting these extremes and that it's for people that get that America isn't perfect, but it also isn't

that bad. And so they've basically taken like the mob boss approach here and said that they won't run a ticket unless they feel that the parties are not coming close to addressing the quote issues that their quote supporters

are passionate about. So it's basically like Hey, it hates to ruin an election here if you guys, don't you know me, soften this extremist shit and see what the fuck we can do to you know, help out the corporate interests even more so, like in in a more aggressive way rather than we already have between the two parties. But is this like so Andrew Yang tried the Forward Party right where he was trying to be like where we need to get rid of the far left and

the far right and just move forward. That's the only direction I care about, and nobody there there was no support for it. So, I mean, it feels like the place that a force like this has had the most success operating is behind the scenes, right, Yeah, that is their proposal. They're they're going to keep operating from behind the scenes, but just add a candidate to to the

mix as a third party candidate. Or are they trying to like formally get something together where they're like this this is our like no labels, is no kind of edge sounding party. No, They're they're just there to fuck around, okay, you know, and like, like I've said, they've been doing this since twenty ten. Yeah, and you know, I'm I'm trying to think who was like in the beginnings of that, I think, like Michael Bloomberg, you know, just to have an idea of like the kinds of people that were

like piling around with them. Essentially, what it is is no labels except look, we're here to fucking keep the status quo. That's really all it is, Like, we're not interested in anything that I think to them, the extremes are disrupting the status quo, especially as it relates to things like energy policy or the financial sector, or taxes and things like that, and that's why they've been, you know,

slowly just pushing their influence since the last thirteen years. Yeah, so we've already seen what a no Labels party looks like, and it is the obstruction of Joe Mansion and cinema and all that shit. Yeah, it's like extremely frustrating for everybody. Yeah. Yeah, they're supposedly having like a convention, They're gonna have a nominating convention in April of twenty twenty four in Dallas. But again they're like we're you know, we're still we're

still figuring it out. Because if they said they were going to do stuff more like disclosures would have to happen. So they're like playing this like fuck, They're walking this line of like being like, who, we got all this money, but you don't know where it's from, and we won't tell you, and we don't have to until we nominate someone, and then we only have to desert. We only have to disclose from that point forward, not retroactively. So it's very like murky in this way. You're like who who is?

Like who the fuck like is really pushing all this? But when you look at the kinds of people that are like lining up, like Joe Lieberman and like Susan Collins and like these other people, you're like, oh, these people are just soul this like husks of like Congress people that are just there to do whatever that is asked of them from their donors. The Hunger Games author RNs, Yeah,

Suzanne Collins love her work. Yeah. And then also like some of the people that are like behind the scenes that a lot of people are like, oh, who's like the CEO, This woman Nancy Jacobsen. She was a main Clinton fundraiser and her husband also a Clinton campaign advisor. And then you just have like again like Joe Lieberman, who went from senator to fucking lobbyist, and like people like Susan Collins who talked many times like I don't

think she knows. She just reads a script basically when she's out there, and yeah, that these are the kinds of people who are like might not be They're like, well, we're not really trying to do like ethno nationalism, but it's not going to affect us if that takes over as long as like the tax benefits are secured, you know, And that's when you can kind of see the real cynical nature of how this group is moving. But yeah, the real threat to them is the left. Is any

sort of leftist policy. It's not the it's not the right.

But that's you know, that's the bullshit smokescreen to act like they're they're truly somehow in the middle, when they're like, dude, if they fucking because if you think about the main things that they really wanted to affect, like even with the early Joe Biden like agenda, it's like voting rights, you know, things to do with like our energy mix and like climate change, then yeah, why would you want to have like fairer elections if you know all the

analysis that tells all these CEOs and people that it's like the numbers are shrinking for this kind of shit. Yeah, like we got to figure out how to stay like because there's too many poor people that are starting to figure out that we're the ones making it the problem. Right, Yeah, I'd be interested to see, like what policies passed by the trumb administration they actually object to, you know, right, what legislation would Yeah, they love those, they love those

tax cuts. Yeah, I'll tell you them. But it also uh Jack, I mean I think I think the bit that you gave about about like a toxic boyfriend or something, you know, I guess not boyfriend is no labels like yeah, I appreciate you a thing. It's like it's like one of those each other, so diminishing. It actually reduces down what we actually are. Yeah, what we are is that like I love you in the same way. There's a

chapel in a hospital. That's how that might be a terrible thing to tell someone, you know where This is definitely a weapon that is going to be used on

dating apps or probably has been for years. But I think I think it just gets the jump on like whatever, like the hypocrisy allegations like you just have no there's no obligation to consistency, and so you can absolutely just cherry pick and pick and choose if there is a democratic or whatever policy that comes up that you're like, oh, actually that might that might be great for us, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, yeah, it is.

You're just you're it's so undernose in the way that it's finding they're finding themselves to manipulate, in the way that our boyfriend partner something like it's an entanglement, an entanglement, an entanglement. Yeah. In the same way that there's no writer good enough to come up with the name Hardling Crowe, there is no satirist good enough to come up with a party that is the labels Party. That's just like, come on, man, yeah, I don't I don't like labels.

Just to give you like an idea, like on their website, like what they're saying, there's like one tab that's a insurance policy twenty twenty four and they're saying no labels is ensuring working to ensure Americans have the choice to vote for a president will take it that features strong, effective and honest leaders. Will commit to working closely with both parties to find common sense solutions to America's biggest problems.

Our strategy, we are preparing for the possibility of nominating candidate, we have not yet committed to do so. We will aren't only under the proper environmental conditions which must be met for us to proceed. Like you see how there are being like here comes the blade, the guillotine blades. Oh, it's only gonna come down with the right environmental fucking conditions. And then they go on to say our project will

proceed down one of two paths. The first, the major parties wake up, they see the growing voice and leverage of the common sense majority that doesn't exist, and nominate candidates and release policy platforms that cater to the needs of this majority instead of the wants of a partisan minority. If at least one of the major parties does this, there's no need or path for an independent unity ticket and no labels will stand down and double down on

the great work we've done been doing in Congress. Or both parties keep forcing the American people down a road they don't want to go and nominate candidates. Most Americans don't want to vote for If this happens and No Labels polling in the research show there is about the victory for a Unity ticket to win the electoral college, then we will offer our ballot line to a ticket yep. And that ballot line again is being purchased loopholes. That's

why they have access. Is allergious something to think about. Y yeah, it's it's really wild too, Like the website is. It's done in a way that's really unsettling because for the amount of money that goes in, like they're using impact funt like in certain parts and I'm like, dude, this looks like a fucking like science Fair slideshow I

made like in eighth grade. But it's like, no one has ever built an infrastructure for an independent like No Labels is building for twenty twenty four in that you're buying as much as you can like in terms of you know, setting up this infrastructure. So anyway, they apparently think that there's no Sich thing as a spoiler candidate and it's all good and this is actually what the

people want. So I think if you look at polling, most people are look like, I don't know, y'all gonna tackle inflation or affordable housing or you know, wage wage stagnation. Are those are those things on your platform or is it gonna be like what we got to work with both sides here, meaning us the billionaires and you the workers. We talk a lot about or I often say that America, like if America is a human body, it is allergic

to like socialism and socialist ideals. And I think one of the first times I've started thinking about that was when we were talking about like, but clearly they just need like a third party candidate to the left of Biden to like force them to the left, and just knowing that like that could never happen, and of course the alternative happens that yeah, it's a candidate to Biden's right, right right is trying to pull them further right because

that's where the money is. This kind of goes along with like our predictions for this year that we're going to see the billionaire clapback of calling people who are looking like that called them out is like haters. And now they're trying to make like they're trying to formalize their power by being like, well, we can just start kingmaking outside of the two parts parties like or use that threat to bring you in line, and it's like, huh, wonder,

I wonder where that goes. Yeah, stands to stand down, like explicitly using like stands down as you know. Yeah, ideally we'd like to stand or whatever the whatever the the syntact with us, but like that's right and be a team. That's a little bit got complex that I've ever heard one much better callback to the fallow up boy. I think we were talking about up. I think we're all pulling our fair share right here. Oh yeah, Whitland. It's been such a pleasure having me on the show.

Thank you. Where where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff for the next couple of weeks. You can find me here in Portland at Portland Center Stage and uh, Terrella mccraney's a choir boy directed by Chip Miller and I'm doing a I'm talking and I'm singing and uh and you might cry to bring your cleanex. But other than that, you can find me on my

social Instagram and TikTok. It's at not Whitland because I thought I was cool in meta but I was actually just sixteen, So at not Woodland everywhere and uh yeah, that's That's where I'm at. Yeah, yeah, amazing follow go go to thick Tom. Is there a work of media

that you've been enjoying. Yeah yeah. I um My, hero Academia is an anime that just had their season finale, and um it's actually turned into I guess this like last little bit of their season that they just had has really turned into like a beautiful commentary on like patriarchal masculinity and kind of like the main character having to reform his idea of what his mascut like what

he will do with this. But the show's about superpowers essentially, and this character has inherited what is is the greatest power in the world and his and um, you know he's his idol who's given him the power was like always smile, you got to save people, sacrifice yourself, put your body last. You know, all of these like kind

of toxic, self destructive, patriarchal ideals for masculinity. And he isolated himself and he you know, this character, you're watching him deteriorate over time because he's like focused on the mission because he can't ask for help, and you know, all of his community comes together to like bring him home and bring him to the hospital and bring him

back into their their kind of their base. Right. So in a weird way, I'm like, wow, this is this is I don't know if this was intended by the people who wrote this, but it's like it is kind of reframing and resentering what the beauty of that character was, which is that he was thoughtful, he was intelligent, he thought, you know, non traditionally about problem problem solving, and like

didn't have to use brute force all the time. And yeah, they've they've they've really tied a beautiful bow here, and that that's something that I love to see in anime in particular, but like in all media, you know. So, yeah, my hero Academia really dope. Nice. Where where do you Hulu? You can scream it on Hulu there you go, or anywhere that you might watch any a YouTube, TV or something that's if you want to watch it in English.

A friend of mine, I a friend of mine that I've just convinced to watch it, was like, yeah, I'll do it, but I can't do subtitles. I was like, watch it on YouTube on Hulu. For the most part, you can get through most of it in English also, but do the subtitles. You can do the subtitles. You get some Japanese in your ears, you know. Yeah, there you go, Miles. How about you? Where can people find you? How about tweet? Well, Jack Drill, good to have you back.

But this putting this thing right back on the rails because it was touch and go there for a while. I'm not gonna lie be coming back from parental leave, not sure what news was and I know what's screaming but in away. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. You can also find Jack and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack Got boostes. Whoa yeah a playoffs are coming and somehow my Lakers are gonna be in the conversation with a

little bit of bead of sweat goes down my face. Uh. And you can also check me out on four twenty Day Fiance where I talk ninety day Fiance but like really high with Sophia Alexandra. And then let's see a tweet I like, where was it? Oh? This one's from Sarah Hadji at kind of h a G. I tweeted, I haven't gone to the dentist in a very long

time parenthetical broke, freelancer and uninsured. I've got haven't gone in so long that when I told the reception is how long it had been, she just went, oh wow, anyway, looking forward to seeing how far dentistry has come. I don't know why I always relate to like dentistry anxiety tweets or whatever, because I also have like this experience with my dentists where it's kind of like, oh, okay, I've been a minute. I'm like, I know full I know.

I don't make me feel bad about it's already I've been. I've been already hiding from this response in my mind for the last two years. I'm back. Please just let's get to it and then tell me what the damage is and let me be on my way. I don't want to hear oh wow, Miles, it's really been a while. Huh. These the same teeth as last time. It's been so long. I just said, you're still working with the same Still

whoa are these wood? Oh No. The only person that's allowed to shame me for not calling for a long time is like my aunt. You know what I mean. I don't need it from you, no exactly, but that's a problem when you've gone to a dentist, like, since you're you had teeth, that's my relationship because it's like family already. Anyway, shout out to him, great great dentist, So great tent Keep my teeth good tweet I enjoyed EJ at EJ having fun tweeted regular people drive Kia

souls Now. By the way, it's not just hamsters big news. If you haven't heard, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page on a website Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we post our episodes on our foot no Bernard, we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song. Do we think you might enjoy? Miles? Is there a song?

I'm just look. I've found this Japanese beat maker named bug Seed and he is a fantastic like in the like the vein of like DJ Crush or like Nuja Best like one of these sampled making sampling beat making dudes and the boom bap levels of it are fantastic. This track is called Stonehead by bug Seed and just great samples and like all of the all of the beats are just I don't know. It just makes me feel like I'm sixteen and I need to like smoke a blood and the Honda Civic and start freestyling. But

these are fantastic instrumentals. But this one is called Stonehead, So check this one out by bugs There you go. You can find that in the footnotes. The Daily Ze Guys is a productor by Heart Radio. For more podcast from my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to you all then bye bye, all right