Astronaut UFO Sightings, Abortion Pill Ban 04.13.23

it's also a National Scrabbled Day and yay morinca nears day. Wow, I remember that when we we're talking about that one fine, that seems like two weeks ago. Yeah, I know. My name's Jack O'Brien. Ak. No, we don't want labels. Labels are for guys who will not get our money. Hanging with my boy poll Pot on the super Yeah doesn't make us not cease. Don't you write mean words words of a certain type of adjective, Tea. Just because Thomas

got flied on Harlan Crow's ride doesn't mean conspiracy. That is courtesy of risk No Scrow code from the Discord shout out to the people No Labels party having the balls to just go full fuck boy on it. We don't want labels. Yeah, leave us through. I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy my co host, mister Miles Gron Clarence Clarence Thomas. We got a thing going on, but it's much too strong to recuse yourself. Now that's Billy Paul's me and Missus Jones. Just we gotta keep

up the Clarence Thomas Harlan Crow stuff. Because the Atlantic Wow came through and was like nothing. What I told him If everybody who has a signed copy of mine hemph is a Nazi, then I mean, what's it going to happen? Then? What I mean? Next? I like how that there's this This piece ended with being like, look, I have friends and they know my heart and they know I'm not racist. Was the take. And they're like, and if you don't know Harlan crowe don't start casting

aspersions just because he's really into Nazi stuff. Okay. The person started off the defense of Harlan crowbing like I've been to his house and had cocktails and canopeys. I was like, oh, so you're a trustworthy, non biased source. Oh, of course, of course, anyway, you don't know him. You know that at Land article is definitely worth a read by it. Yeah, we'll grade, We'll have to talk about

it probably, Yeah, eventually continue to defend this Miles. Yes, We are thrilled to be joined in our third seats Yeah by a director, documentary filmmaker, and podcast host whose new podcast, High Strange Yes is a fascinating exploration of one of my favorite topics on this show when it drifts through the national share conscious aliens. He's also the co creator and host of the hit investigative journalist and

true crime podcasts Up and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. Please welcome, penguins, guys. What's welcome? Welcome, Hey, how's it going? Yeah, I'm doing well. How you guys doing. We're doing all right. We had a little hiss on the line as we were starting this, and we assumed it had something to do with your appearance outside of area fifty one. And yeah, these days, you know, my phones are probably tapped at this point,

so you guys might be a victim as well. I'm sorry about I'm already probably on a watch list for the amount of stuff I download on bit Torrent. So right when you were like in eighth grade? Oh yeah, and fifteen minutes ago. Yeah, I don't have showtime, but I gotta watch Yellow Jackets. You know what I mean. You're on a watch list for people who like Hallmark Christmas movies just a little bit too much. Yeah, something weird. We just you reading those. It's not really like we're

worried that he's gonna do something. We're just fascinated. How a serial killer. We should probably yeah into this. He's created a new profile. Were you were you coming to us from pain? I'm in Atlanta? How about you? La la? Yeah? I love the I love the recording booth. You're in a proper sound booth. Oh yeah, this is a it's actually in my house. This is like a small little whisper room. I crammed into this one room of my house to be able to do this or zoom calls

without you know, having to set up a closet anymore. Right, right, right, right now? I love that. Love that awesome. Well, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better. We're gonna talk about aliens with you in our second act. Get your overrated underrated and all that in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about today beyond high strange your podcast and just talking about your experience going from alien skepticis and you know, UFO skepticism to at

least thinking it's something worth exploring. We're gonna talk big Pharma being big mad at Republican judge that banned the abortion drug. We're gonna talk about MPR bailing on Twitter, possibly all sorts of shit. But before we get to any of the pain, Yeah, what is something from your search history? Okay? Yeah, So right before I was like, this could be, you know, suicide. What is the creepy thing I looked up? But it turns out was actually

kind of funny. My last search was bad Gerard Butler road rage movie m I was, I guess I was talking to my friend about this horrible movie. I guess we saw a trailer for a new Gerard Butler movie and I was like, man, you know, he's a talented actor, but he's been in some really bad movies in the last like three or four years. And this came out. So it's called Unhinged and it's okay, or yeah, it's

comically bad. This is a whole subgenre of movies, this road rage movies, right, Like, isn't there a Russell Crowe one? Or is that the same? Got it? Okay? So yeah, if you take the balls to put Russell Crowe and Gerard Butler in the same movie, so I get confused. Yeah, I was like, that's that's like a Bill Pullman Bill Paxson like double header, Like that's that's too much. Maybe it's similar. It's funny how Google didn't even correct it. They were like, yeah, here you mean this. That's hilrious

that It didn't even like like you meant this. No, it's like that. And there's a new road rage prestige TV beef that is I'm hearing good things about. So I guess I guess Unhinged as the main road rage movie, but wasn't there one with maybe Samuel L. Jackson and an Affleck or something. At some point I feel like there was another road rage thing where people encountered one another on the road and like it led to a long drawn out thing, or maybe I'm just thinking about

Unhinged and looked a lot alike. Hold on, yeah, no, it is funny. I think like It's like one of those things where like Google's like it's close enough, like you know, like when you missmelled something, it's like showing you search results instead for this word that you missmelled. Yeah,

that is amazing, Yeah, because they are. Yeah. When I first saw like the thing, I was like, yeah, that makes sense, and I googled it just now and I saw like a like a screen cap and I'm like, that looks like Gerard Butler and I'm like, no, oh wait, thust Nope, there's also a movie called road Ridge from two two thousand, but I thought there was another one. The whole movie He's just mad in a truck. Yeah, Oh, really, like like that is it? Is? It just like a

lot of like beating the steering wheel again. Anger. It's so weird. So did you did you see the movie or you just saw the trailer? Oh? No, I watched the movie. Oh okay, got ye? And then yeah, through through all the information that you synthesize, slowly, Russell Crowe had revolved into Yeah, like I just saw another trailer and I guess now I don't know if it was true or Butler or Russell Crowe in the trailer on TV like at a bar, like you know, it was

on mute. Changing Lanes is the one I'm talking about. That's a Lanes, that's a that's a Ben Affleck. Yeah, I'm fortunate, but well we'll go ahead and assume Gerard Butler was in that one. Just yeah, right, right right. But it follows a successful young Wall Street lawyer Affleck who accidentally crashes his car into a vehicle driven by a middle age recovering alcoholic insurance salesman Jackson. And then it becomes a he it's a hit and run and and things get ugly. So who's the way who's the

bad guy in this? The Wall Street lawyer or the recovering alcoholic Watch out for those recovering alcoholic? Yeah, I think I think Ben Affleck is the bad guy. Got it, got it all right? Based on it, I haven't seen it, but yeah, interesting, interesting subgenre. The kind of seems to have hit the It's highlight from beef based on what people are saying. Have you guys heard about beef? My mom loves it entirely in one day on site. Okay, so you seem like you have some a road rage

movie interest. You're a connoisseur of this. You gotta go check out Changing lanes Man. Yeah, let us know who. The bad guy does not scare me in the slightest. It's like, but Beef is really good. It was amazing. I had no clue like even kind of describe the show. It's a bunch of different things. Yeah, but the acting is amazing. Ali Wong is such a good actor, and it's not what she got famous for. She was a writer and then she did stand up and people are like, oh, damn,

you're good. You're really good at stand up for better and then she's like yeah, and also I'm like an incredible actor. Hey, go to the store and grab more hyphens because I'm about to drop this acting role too of a lifetime. She's getting got on all our asses. Dude. It's wild too, because my mom, unprovoked, she was over yesterday and she's like, have you seen Beef? And I was like no, I was like the Netflix, and she's like, yes,

I it's so Good's a critic so well. But she's also the kind of person who doesn't usually like I have to ask her about stuff she likes, So when she I think maybe she was just sort of like, oh, Netflix, what you will watch sometimes. Did you see this good thing on it? But yeah, I'm hearing constantly. I'm good at it. I just caught up on Succession, that was my TV project. Was watching Succession on my phone while watching the Lakers game. That's what my book about stress

was like. Yeah, but it was good because I could look away from the Lakers game when it got too stressful figure it out. Yeah, exactly, And that's that is how the filmmakers behind Successions said they wanted that show to be consumed is right on an iPhone while a more important media event is happening, if they said, was their preference. So you're welcome. But how about them Lakers, Like I said, we're gonna trying to kill us? They

they almost they almost did. I was. I was also texting Sophie and prop to like on a separate thread because we're all like toxic Laker fans together and we couldn't we couldn't believe what we were saying. Anyway, more on that to come. Obviously play next. We're been playing the Grizzlies, which ye are tough. Hey, Like I said, you know, I can go from this and I'll just go like that. It change yeah, and then this one.

Yeah I think, I mean, yeah, I don't they for how their ability to win like by any means necessary, is uh something that advantage too? Right? Yeah, right, yeah, anyway, we'll see, we'll see. It could just be a stressful week though, we'll see. Yeah, exactly, he did. He did that last night, Yeah, yeah, he did. What is something you think is overrated? I think that in and Out is extremely overrated. It's the second time this fucking week is you know it's okay, like it's it's okay. Yeah.

I think that people from the East Coast, you know, going to LA for the first time or something, because like they don't have that over there. But you know, first of all, you're never in and out of there, and it's always extremely long lines. It's absolute chaos inside. Everyone's like you get it, crazy style or animal style whatever it is. It's like, that's not even that's also okay, you know what I mean, Oh, grilled on, it's all good. But I could never say you have to go to

in and Out? Okay, tell me all the time. So this is the second time someone has said this on this show this week. I'm glad that we're like beginning to bookend the week. We've been over it In and

Out being overrated. Take But I'm curious, right, is there is there a burger that you've had that you're like, this lives up to the hype or you're sort of coming from the place of when you live outside of La this thing, this you've heard tell of, this place called In and Out, and it becomes like deified to the point that the expectations are just so astronomical. When you go, it's like, yeah, definitely, yeah, it's a step above,

bigger than it is. It's just it. It's not bad, it's it's right completely what it is, right right, right, right. Five Guys has a consistently dope burger and the Fridays I look, I love guys. Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean, also, Burger's just to burger and eventually yeah, yeah, I get that if it's bad, then it's probably really bad. Yeah it's bad, the meat has

gone bad, and then it's don't right. I think the main thing that five Guys has going against it, or that In and Out has going against it, is that it's like the big missing piece of information that I think people leave out when they're talking about how good it is. It's so good for the money, Like you can't for for that price point, you can't get like that fresh ingredients like that. It's really good for the money. It's priced like a Right, it's still gonna be like

fourteen bucks or something, right, I don't know. Yeah, but compared to like I think sometimes it's held up against like shake Shack or even like five guys I think is a little more expensive than in and Out is also, Yeah, I mean, you know, it's so funny. We had to reverse in and out effect over here in LA because all the New Yorkers like shake Shack, And then when it came to LA, people were fucking lining up for shake Shock. And I remember eating and I was like, oh,

this shit's good. I like the frozen custard actually better than the burger. Like I was like, I like this thing like makes me feel sicker than in and Out like afterwards, which is something I have to like. I enjoy both of them. Going down, shake Shack makes me feel worse. I probably enjoy Shake check more, but then I feel worse after the fact, right, right, right, But the thing is that like when people come from out

of town to LA and get in and out. They're probably not fully acclimated to the fact that everything is, you know, three times as expensive in Los Angeles. Yeah. I took my kids to Disney World and I was like, the praises here, aren't that bad. And that's when I realized that, Oh, I'm just used to La being everything

in LA being incredibly expensive. Yeah, so it's the praiser absurd for Florida, right right, right, Yeah, I think overall, like I think maybe in and Out just part and parcel of just the myth of California and Los Angeles too for people who are outside of it, because like Jack, like you know, our like our studios, like in the part of Hollywood, and like when I say Hollywood, I'm talking about Hollywood Boulevard, which is different than when people

say Hollywood interchangeably with like this, like yeah, like convergence of like Beverly Hills or the Universal Studios early Hollywood, Like yeah, like on the boulevard, right, And like all the time when we walk, Like when whenever I'm walking and I hear tourists walk by, They're always like, oh, this is not what I thought it would be. And you get that like there's like all this like there's this version of LA that we all get like very passively because all the media that comes out of here.

But then there's like the very real, like normal city of LA and the emphasis that people put on certain parts. There's always like a bit of a reconciliation that happens and they're like, oh, yeah, okay, this is just like some older part of the town. And then all this stuff I see on TV is where all like the wealthy people live that they want you to believe is

Los Angeles. But just a compare prices real quick, The in and out double double double burger is three forty five the cheese went since that's right now, I don't know that that's what it says on fast food menu prices, but what state is that? Right? Maybe maybe that's like the Utah in and out, but it's right. And then the so that's what's officially listed on that website. And

then like the cheeseburger for five guys is eleven fifty nine. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I think it's pretty it's at least like half as expected. I feel like the combos like around nine bucks or something. But then you get fries in a drink either, yeah, the combo exactly. The combo is nine bucks, but that's still a fine price by right, yeah, yeah, and then twenty dollars when it's all rung up. What is something you think is underrated? Pain? I actually think

that nice socks are very underrated. I want to say nice socks. You know, like I've like, you know, guys, traditionally, at least you know my friends. Growing up, you just to get just whatever, the biggest pack of socks. You could get thing for the buck for sure, until they break. But yeah, as an adult, I've invested in some nicer quality socks, and man, I'll tell you it's a different way to live your life. It's you don't know what

you're missing. It feels like you're suiting up for business, like a nice, thick pair of just m it just feels good. So well, so your journey is from I'm the same way I would be like if like why would I buy walked like I would? I remember seeing a pair of socks like nice socks, and you get one pair, right, and I'm like, no, no, no, I need at least that doesn't by any means. But also

but that's that. But that's my thinking too. And I've definitely come to realize as I blow holes in like sock after sock, because like, I like gripped my toes so much when I walk that I'm like that. The like the few times that I've like spent a little bit more money on a soccer like one that was more like activity appropriate, I'm like, oh shit, okay, but what's the what are what are we talking like? You're going Marino wool, You're going Silk Infuse brand I've been buying.

I mean, you don't have to plug any people. You add some add some add some NYC dot Com. Okay, how much they are? They're not cheap, but they're I mean you just gotta trium on to feel it out a pair or something stupid. I mean, I've paid that much for basketball sucks. I think I'm still like middle

class with the socks. There's definitely like the Haynes ones that grew up with, I've taken a step up to like Nike ones that come in packs of four maybe you know, but not not individually, not buying socks one at a time by any stretch of the imagination, unless

they're dress socks, but both socks and underwear. It's like I'll buy a nice pair of socks and a nice pair of underwear, and then I'll try to just like just wear though, like all the other ones just get relegated to the bottom of the drawer and I never wear anything else until those, yeah, those nice ones start falling apart. Do you do this thing? Like my underwear drawer is basically the exalted few that are at the top of the pile because they get the most rotation.

I find go a few levels beneath that. Yeah, I'm looking at artifacts from decades ago or things that used to be. But I just I just got fed up. At one point, I said, you know what, I'm literally investing in nice underwear and nice socks. Yeah, I just got rid of those scary ones from I don't know when, right that don't match. It's like this is probably my friend's underwear. I don't even know how I got right. Yeah, Like my underwear right now looks like a ghost's prom dress.

Like it's so like spooky and tattered and like whispy and like used to be a white piece of factory. At one point, I definitely I would I'm reaching that same point because I kept looking at my drawing. I'm like, man, I use maybe five percent of this shit in this drawer. I'm like, I gotta go scorch stirth on some of these shitty pieces. When you guys travel, do you overpack

your underwear? Yeah? I usually do. I underpack underwear for some just assuming that you might shake your pants every single day or there's always I always add one for the just in case. I usually five x, you know, like if I'm going for five days bringing at least ten pairs of underwear. Yeah, and I yeah, I rarely shit my pants more than like a couple of times on a trip, so right, Yeah, but but you never know, Yeah, yeah, you never know. Yeah, gotta be ready for anything. Nice

underwear and nice socks. I think that's very good. Hundred. It's so wild too, because it's such a like the adult thing to do. But for whatever reason, it's like, probably the where I'm the most stunted as someone who's nearing forty years old is like, gotta have those underwear that my mom bought me in college, Like, yeah, I don't. I literally have fucking underwear from what is that fucking almost twenty like nineteen years ago, companies that have gone extinct.

Yeah that Like, I'm like, head the company that makes like tennis rackets. Hate that gift for Christmas. Now you're like thank you, because yeah, ever want to buy that shit? Yeah? No exactly. And now I'm like, oh no, like these old American apparel underwear from two thousand and four, yea, useless, useless. I got some American apparel tube socks floating around in my sock drawer somewhere like and where were you at

your in your life? That's what's like. It's interesting to think, like, what were you like when you're living in New York or something. Yeah, dressing is Rocky three for Halloween. I think that's where I got them. Beach scene, Me and my homie dressed up as a Rocky and Apollo for the beach team. You just still got them there. Yeah, there's nothing like the carbon dating of your underwear. Door. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we will talk aliens. We'll be right back,

and we're back. And during the break, we were talking about the movie, our our relative experiences with the movie Fire in the Sky, which is a kind of detailed using the best special effects that they possibly could at the time early nineties, I guess, not the best they possibly could, the best they could with their budget to tell the story of an alien abduction that I remember it stuck in my brain as like it's so weird that all six of these loggers decided to tell the

story about the friend being abducted and like all seeing the same flying saucer in this clearing in the woods, and then they were under suspicion for murder for five days and still stuck to it, and we're just like, nah, like I don't know what you want want us to say, but like we saw what we saw, and then he reappeared and had this like one hour that he could remember out of the previous five days where it was like a very detailed experience on an alien spacecraft, and yeah,

it's stuck in my brain. I also found a way to just be like, yeah, but it's probably bullshit, but it's always stuck there is like kind of I don't know, Paint, I'm curious to hear about your experience, because like my personal experience was going from aliens being the news story that exists on the checkout rack at the grocery store, and you i think even specifically mentioned that, and in the chew you saw those tabloids and You're like, yeah, yeah,

that seems crazy. And then change like now I am someone who's fully just anything that seems, you know, trustworthy, I'm diving in. I want I want to get all the details I can because of like all the things that have been declassified, and but alien abductions have remained a thing where I'm like, well, that just like doesn't seem to fit for me, Like it seems I don't know, there's so many of them too, that it seems like

one of the things I've just relegated too. All Right, maybe more on that later once we have more information on the UAP, the unidentified aerial phenomenon. But what was your journey like going from that grocery store checkout rack to like now being doing an entire investigative podcast into the phenomenon. I mean, as a kid, I just always thought this was a fun topic, just the idea of, you know, wouldn't it be cool if they were real or we're not alone? Just you know, that was a

fun thought to think about. But you know, as an adult making an investigative podcast about this topic. As you said, like the last couple of years, the conversations kind of shifted a little bit with some big news stories about navy pilots seeing things in the sky and kind of just I took more of like an analytical approach to the whole thing and really try to, I guess, shake it all down and find what little nuggets of truth

existed for real. And with the whole alien abduction thing, I think that you know, most of those stories probably aren't literally alien abductions. There's so many other things like fleet paralysis and stuff like that that could you know,

you could rationally explain a lot of stuff. But if you think that there is life on other planets or somewhere else in the universe, and they can come here to Earth from places so far away that we can't see them with our most advanced telescopes, that it's not it wouldn't be impossible for them to do that, right, and to get away with it right and out of the I mean, they're gone see it like you, We're not gonna chase you to where you came from, right, Yeah,

that's yeah, it's just a little bit more mind bending a little bit more. I don't know about that because it's it's because it sounds like Fire in the Sky, which is a you know, an alien movie that's you know, basic true story, but is it did it really happen? And so the Hollywood part of it's kind of like stigmatize the idea of a lot of this stuff. And there's not anything I think unless you experience something yourself,

you may not be convinced ever of anything. Yeah, and you and review the person who the story Fire in the Sky is like based on his experience, and he's still got the same story, still tells a beat for beat the same way. It just sounds like a very exhausted person who's like, I really wish this hadn't happened to me. Yeah, Like here's I'll tell you again, man, this is exactly what I experienced. And but yeah, I mean, just taking it away from abductions, like pilots are the

ones who get me. I don't know what it is about. It just seems like there's so many pilots who have seen weird shit in the sky. And you talk about this French report with like scientists and generals and a lot of pilots and just like things that they have

known for years, and I don't know. There's that documentary I think it's called The Phenomenon, and they really lean on pilot testimony, and these are pilots who fought in World War Two who went on to like be some of the first astronauts to go into space in the US, and they're like, yeah, I saw a flying saucer and like tried to chase it and then it just like accelerated with no visible sense of propulsion and flew away. And they're just like, yeah, I don't know, I don't

want this to be true. It kind of fucks up my credibility, but this is what I saw. And then of course the Nimits, the tic Tac story of the Nimits, which is the aircraft carrier off of the coast of San Diego that was just being kind of stalked by a bunch of those these tic TACs, and the sixty Minutes actually talked to some of the eyewitnesses. Right, yep, that's a compelling case, would you say, like, because I know,

like to Jack's point, I feel the same way. Like the pilots are the ones I'm like, well, those are the people who are most consistently saying like, I'm I've not seen anything like this before, and I'm flying around the sky all the time, and I'm very familiar with like flying aircraft or propulsion systems to the point that

I'm baffled. Are they sort of like do you see them as sort of like the sort of primary or the first people that begin to interact with it in the most believable way, or like, how do you sort of process the testimony of like pilots or other people who have like they're saying they see it firsthand outside

of like a fire in the skytype situation. I mean, I think the most compelling case that we could get in twenty twenty three right now would be a pilot flying, you know, some of our most advanced aircraft, which would be some of the most advanced in the world, seeing something in the sky that their trained eyes don't know what it is, right and they can pick it up on radar and they can see it. And that shouldn't be there at all, Like no country should have anything

that we don't know how to do. And I don't think that's even really possible. I'd be a blunder if you know, in the past fifty years, China has advanced us by like two hundred years two thousand, lashed us multiple centuries. What a failed mission on us trying to keep up with the Joneses over here, Like right, wouldn't that be such a such a uniquely American blunder too, for the amount of money poured into defense and like

they figured out like space shit already. But yeah, sorry, go on, but yeah, I think those are the most compelling cases because these people are trained, they know what they're talking about, and for them to be shocked by anything in our airspace, you know, you tend to want

to listen to what they're saying and believe them. And also they don't really have any good motivations for making it up because they're you know, they kind of lose a little bit of credibility or at least they had in the past bringing this up at all, and so so a lot of people didn't bring it up, right, Yeah, I mean, so the Nimitz is the one that made

it to sixty minutes. They actually interviewed to naval aviators who were in the same plane and like came into like visual contact with one of these tic TACs that was like kind of hovering over the ocean and like making the ocean froth underneath it, or like it was like coming off of something that was just below the surface and then it kind of circled their aircraft and then just like shot off and at a speed that makes no sense given what we think we know about physics.

That I think a lot of people came away from that sixty minutes one. Yeah, I think that entered our consciousness more than you know anything that has come before it, because sixty minutes is a pretty trusted, trusted name in news. But you you told the Nimitz story. You talked about some things that I know about it, like that it

was multiple days. I think maybe sixty minutes covered this, but I just like hadn't fully it hadn't stuck in my brain, but that it was multiple days where these tic TACs were like stalking them, and then like they would be going to a place and the tic TACs would already be there, so like they knew where they were going, which is really kind of spooking interesting from rendezvous point, which was secret information almost like they were just like twining with them or something. Yeah, I mean

speaking of secret information. So that's another thing that comes up multiple times in the first few episodes of your show, is like the reason for keeping it secret? And there's an interesting point that's made a couple times. But if people that I think throughout the twentieth century, we assumed they were keeping it secret out of knowledge, like they were like, we have this knowledge and we're keeping it a secret because we don't think you can handle it.

And I forget who it was. But somebody speculates that like they were actually keeping a secret out of ignorance, like they are like yeah, yeah, but on the nose with that, I think that's that's the biggest misconception, is that you know, government secrecy, they're hiding it from us. They're hiding the fact that they don't know what this shit is, right, They're hiding the fact that they've seen the thing and I can't explain it. They know a

little bit. They don't want to come out and say, hey, guys, we don't know what this is. Sorry, that would scare people, or some people that would scare So I my other thought is like for the reason for keeping it secret, And this actually occurred to me most in that interviews that happened around that South African school where the children all saw the same thing, and it had been kind

of I forget when it was. But this documentary the phenomenon goes back and like interviews the children as you know now young adults and there like, yeah, we saw what we saw. But the thing that had been left out of the story at the time was that there was also a teacher who could corroborate what they saw. So like it got explained away as like children making up stories, but there's a teacher who could corroborate it.

And the military came in and we're basically like, we will, we will make it seem like you were drinking on the job if you kind of continue and follow through

with this corroboration. Like that got me think about, like what the motivation is for the military to actively try to keep this secret, and it I think it has to go back to, at least partially to the fact that we for up to this point, like from World War Two up to this point, have like existed in this paradigm of like it's called the realist school and international relations, but it's this idea that whoever has the most military power is going to use it to take

shit and you know harm whoever is threatening them or like isn't threatening them, but like it's just basically like kill or be killed, and whoever has the most power

will do with that power whatever they want. And like the fact that there have been these aliens or you know whatever these are around with technology that has like lapped us by centuries and they haven't like attacked us or like done it tried to take our resources like makes me think that it also like there's something powerfully undermining about the whole like military industrial complex, Like what the philosophy that that whole military industrial complex rests on

that they don't want out there the idea that like a more advanced, more technologically advanced civilization wouldn't treat you like that, would just kind of sit there and chill and not try and take over your country. That's a good point. Yeah, I think it's more of like a they're like, you know, let me see that. I don't like if there's like a crazy case that happens and they descend on it, they're gonna tell that guy that, you know, we're gonna say that you were drinking on

the job. If you keep talking about this because they're like, give it over here. We want to see it first and figure out what it is ourselves and then determine what we should do with this, you know, yeah, just out of like maybe even some good intentions in there, but trying to figure out what's going on so that they can have an answer for anybody or anything, hopefully you know, eventually delivering a message that's actually makes sense

of anything. I think that there's just been too many mixed pieces over the years that don't fully connect to each other. And I'm sure people have done with information that was important because of the taboo of everything. And yeah, I think the fear of aliens coming to earth and harming us as a silly one because we're assuming that we're so important that they would need to do that.

I think that if you become that advanced, like I did an analogy and like later in the series about how we're just like a little ant hill in the forest, and how often do you go walk in the forest and talk to an ant hill. You don't care about it. You're not gonna step on it, you're not gonna ruin it, unless you're an asshole. You're just gonna kind of let it be there. You're just gonna here they are, there's a little queen or whatever, and yeah, that's it. You

might send some scientists to study it, but sure exactly. Yeah, were to be like, we gotta kick that shit over. That's kind of the idea that it's funny you have a bunch of quotes from presidents in a row, and like Carter, actually, Jimmy Carter had an experience with the UFO where he like saw some lights in the sky and he's like, I could never fully explain it. Obama was just like, you know, talking about how there are things that we've seen in the sky that we can't

fully explain. And then Reagan was like talking about it as a threat that could like bring everybody together, and like that that's the dangerous idea that I could see the American military industrial complex eventually seizing on too, is that we need to really step up the funding to our military more than you know, it's already like such a massive portion of the revenue and just everything that happens and in the country for the paste hundred years.

But like he was marveling at it as like, God, could you imagine if we all got to fight a war with a threat from aliens? Yeah? Yeah, which did he die before Independence Day came out? I don't like, maybe just barely. Yeah, he's like God only could have been there for that. Yeah, I mean, what do you think?

I mean? Because I feel like when the overarching thing when talking about like UAPs and like these tic TACs and things like that, there's people who I think, like us, like Jack and I were were like that's fucking interesting, and I like that this is something we don't know about and we're trying to understand. Then, Like I've like even like people like who I'm friends with and I've

talked to who are like into science and stuff. When I've talked about it, They're like, I don't know, man, it's probably some bullshit anyway, Like, and some people are really they really want to maybe preserve this like sense that like we know everything already, yeah, but we're what do you sort of feel like this sort of forces at play? Are you know, at work when like discussing

these things. Because you're you know you are You're you're intuitive person, you are interested by it, you begin investigating while other people might say there's nothing, it's not even worth looking at what like where do where? Like I guess sidally, where are we going to? What can we move towards where it maybe is easier to just say

that is worth talking about. Doesn't necessarily have to mean that the fucking aliens are coming just like the movies, but like, but shit like we might have to humble ourselves as human beings to say, yeah, there's there's something we don't fucking know. I think, I mean, one, not everyone is extremely open minded. I think we've figured that out right. I think for a lot of people it doesn't fit very well into their belief systems or you know, they understand their life and the world in this way.

And this would put a real big cog in that if you had to factor in that, hey, there's also like a thousand other life forms out there that are more advanced than us that that just exists. Nothing changes here, but that that's a thing that's real. And I think that at this point legitimately supports the idea of extra trust real life. The universe is too big, the combination of things that had to happen in our solar system for Earth to flourish, that has to have happened somewhere else.

It would be more of an anomaly if we were the only ones that could, assuming that there's not a life form that doesn't need the exact things we need to survive. I think for some people it's easier to dismiss it because it's not they're not comfortable thinking about it. They're not gonna say they're not gonna come out right and say that. But I think there's a little bit of fear there. But there's a there's a healthier conversation to be had about the possibility of us not being

alone in that being more likely than not. And it shouldn't scare you that much. And I think that if you're being closed minded about it and assuming that we know everything already, I mean, shit, we used to smoke cigarettes on airplanes, like not that long ago. Like I'm pretty sure we're still flying in some of those planes. Oh yeah, I was just thought that was like all good. Now you get arrested and like, you know, a federal officer takes you, you know, to some crazy bunker jail

and an airport if you light a cig. Yeah right, I'm still learning what. I still open every flight by asking the flight attendant if it's cool if I smoke in here just to I mean, I was on a plane recently, like it was an old m D ten and it had the fucking ash trays, like in the fucking still I think they still have the ashtrays, like they have all those non smoking signs, and then they like have one of the signs on an ashtray in the bathroom. Right right, Well, you're send of those mixed

messages here, yeah, right, cool. Well it's a really cool show. It's called High Strange. Everybody should go check it out. Three of the three episodes are out. Eight of them are out on a tenderfoot plus on Apple podcasts that it's is it eight or ten episodes? How many? It's eight eight episodes? Yeah, So go check it out. It's you'll learn a lot and yeah, hopefully have your mind opened if it's not open already. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about

some news. And we're back and so what's it. What's happening with the abortion drug? Oh? Man? So seeing headlines I haven't followed it. Gavin Newsom stockpiling you know drugs or we're here about Miffer pristone essentially being banned nationwide because a judge in Texas was, Yeah, I think I'm saying I agree with the anti choice activists that I talked to a lot, and I'm going to say that this was a bad FDA regulation. It was hastily approved,

Therefore it is banned. This guy's court judge hasmeric is like where progress has come to die over the recent years. He has like this like lone court, like an Amarillo where it's like one of those places where if you are an act like a right wing activist, you want to go to this judge to get a decision that you could then appeal all the way up to the

Supreme Court. So like, you know, rolling back like rights for transgender workers only many workers in general, like the remain in Mexico, like immigration policy, he kept that in place. But the important thing to point out here is that the judge is just regurgitating again bunk Gass anti choice talking points, mainly the one about how pregnancy is not an illness or pregnancy is not a disease. Therefore this drug like this this subsection of FDA regulations to research

illnesses or diseases. Oh now it's moot. Again, So, like all these anti choice people are saying that the FDA legally approved mifferpristone through an accelerated drug reviewal process known as Subpart H that only applies to quote new drugs for serious or life threatening illness. And again their logic, their sixth grade gotcha logic, is well, if pregnancy isn't an illness, then mifferpristone shouldn't have been approved at all. Clearly pregnancy can bring if you want to get that

into it. It clearly can bring about illness like pre eclampsia or like postpartum depression, and a myriad of other complications that go along with yes, maybe the condition of being pregnant. But again, this is something that the FDA uses very fluidly because they're not being stupid about it. They're like, yeah, that's something that's going on with your health and would need to be addressed. Therefore we look

at these drugs. But again, these hacks are using this like sixth grade logic to try and force like this very Christian in view of the sanctity and like the divinity of being pregnant and the only person that's buying it apparently is the judge, And naturally there's been all kinds of pushback on this ruling, which will again we'll probably end up in front of the Supreme Court. But one of the loudest voices has come from Big Pharma. Okay, feminist heroes, Big Pharma, go on, what's going on there?

You see? The problem with their whole thing is people fucking around with how the FDA approves new drugs is vital to them their ability to make money. Okay, so when you go around tooling around with that shit, they don't take kindly to it. So that's why they're very concerned with developments. They've said that this kind of judicial

interference quote creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry. Adding regulatory uncertainty to the already inherently risky work of discovering and developing new medicines will likely have the effect of reducing incentives for investment, endangering the innovation that characterizes our industry.

And I just think there's a lot of irony here because the last couple of years, the pharmaceutical industry has shifted their adoration onto the GOP when they saw that Joe Biden was going into office, and there was the possibility of like a all three like like the whole thing being locked down by Biden, and they're like, they'd want to lower drug costs, so they're like, all right, give it to the Republicans. At least they know what

to do about this kind of shit. But it's beginning to boomerang, and the fact that they didn't realize that these senators that they're making it rain on are just going around and then confirming judges who are so like anti choice that it's turning into yeah, well drugs are bad too, And now they're in a bit of a like, ah, then maybe we need to be more I guess it just we do our due diligence when we throw piles

of cash at senators and political parties. I feel like they're they're going to be big fans of the No Labels party, you know pretty soon in the middle Yeah, it's yeah, it's just again like you know, without their money, and like in the midterms, who knows what would have happened in like twenty eighteen, if maybe the Senate balance could have changed even then. But they've been at it for a minute sort of seeing that like Okay, Democrats talk out loud about drug prices, and we don't like that.

So even if they never get around to it, the better bet is the people who are never talking about or drug prices, at least with the same kind of energy that Democrats would on the campaign trail. Yeah, this is the whole genre of news story of people fucking around with the GOP and finding out that it's not great. Yeah, leopards ate my face. It's like the shorthand for that. They're like, what my pet? Leopard ate my face? No way? Yeah,

what did you think? But again, like I think it goes to show how maybe before like even from the unthink like you know, they're not very analytical, like big pharma industry, not seeing how this would actually affect their business more so than just being like, well, a march

to our beat and they're great corporate allies. We like that without seeing that the ideology itself is going after things like medical contraception and shit like that, right, and that is absolutely you know something that they're all like, we make a lot of cash on that because this is a very widely used drug. And so please don't be confused, they're not here, they're not they're not caping for this drug because they believe it's a person's choice.

It's just that this this could fuck up business pretty bad for them, fuck up the money. But I don't again, I'm not. I'm not also sure that this would fuck up the relationship between Big Farm and the Republicans either. I think they're just gonna be like, hey, hey, hey, we got to talk before you guys confirm these people because we don't like this, We don't like what happened here. Put their boot on this guy some some behind the scenes in some way. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well,

Payne Lindsay, pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist? Yes, where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? You follow the new show High Strange, wherever you get your podcasts, TikTok Instagram at high Strange and you can follow me TikTok Instagram at Paine Lindsay. Nice. And is there a tweet or work a media that you've been enjoying? I so I picked this one that I'd saved recently.

It's a Donald Glover's GQ cover video. They do like a little thirty second like video on Instagram of like a you know, I guess behind the scenes of his GQ shoot, he just looks so damn cool. Like he's walking around picking oranges, you know, lush green, you know, trees everywhere, like this dapper hipster farmer dude from the seventies with gold chains and sitting on a horse with no saddle. It's like, Damn, this guy's fucking cool. And so I've watched that a few times and tried to

you know, life goals. You're got where to get my next outfit from? Yeah, you need you need a nice orange tie, you know what I mean. Like he's like he's rocking in that video. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Find Jack and I talking about the NBA on our basketball podcast Miles and Jack got mat It's yeah, I bit my nails off during that Lakers game. And it's so funny because

we were just talking on Mad Boost. He was like, I was going in full chest confidence even though the game hadn't been played. I'm like, it'll it'll be all right. I don't have to re record this. And I went on with my full chest, saying the Lakers never really seemed too when in the big games where you're like they're gonna they're gonna beat these guys by thirty, that never seems to happen. No, they beat a Violet like six barely in overtime. But anyway, I find us there

also find me. On four twenty Day Fiance was Sophia Alexandra and Uh, I don't. I don't have a tweet that I've I've I've not I've I've not crossed paths the tweets that I'm enjoying recently. So I'm I'm again abstaining from mentioning something I haven't. Haven't been doing my

my putting in a shift on Twitter these days. Yeah, it seems like a lot of people are fleeing Twitter like it's not again, it's it's to do with like my kid being born and going like for fucking six weeks straight, or like Twitter was the blast thing on my fucking mind. Yeah, that like it kind of you know, it's like it's sort of like what they say about like when you eat stuff, like your body wants what's

in your blood? You know what I mean? Like that to you, so when I I don't know, like I just I guess I weaned off Twitter to the point where like I barely look at it now, but also I miss out on some of the funny tweets. But now I just look at this little boy smile. That's my tweet. You need to get your fucking priority straight man. I know, I know, unacceptable. I know, I know if my notifications are a mess right now, tweet, I've been enjoying. This is what you're missing out on my okay good.

John Hendron at Fart tweeted imagining a reality where you get a little military pin every time you have insane diarrhea and then showing up to parties decorated like momar adopt, so like you could be experiencing that level of commentary that, oh my god, you would think I was fucking yeah, Oh my god. I would love to see what kind of ribbons you would have seen on my whole salad. Yeah right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist.

We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, we have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily Zeitgeist Dot com where we post our episodes and our footnotes, so link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what's the song that you think people might enjoy? Oh? Man, I just this valor just diarrhea based valor awards. I would be the Oddie Murphy of diarrhea based fucking you

know awards effort from my World War two buttons. Someone with really good digestive health but they have stolen valor. They're like no, no, no, I yeah, yeah, I would be like, yo, this guy don't have diarrhea, and they're like boo, all right, Um, what's what's the song that I want to go out on? Uh? You know what? I was actually just I was listening to the police. Also unfortunately a cab does include the band of police these people. Yeah, um, but an official ruling, Yeah, I

think I think we know that. But man, I was just listening to Bring on the Night and Andy Summer's guitar playing in that is like it's hypnotic to me, Like it's one of those police songs. Yeah, people like it, but his like before it gets to the reggae part with the way he's fingerpicking. I love that Andy Summer is a fantastic guitar player. Stuart Copeland fantastic drummer and sing We already know he's getting five k a day from puff Daddy, but yeah, so I'm yeah, I'm taking

it back, y'all. This is a Bring on the Night by the Police. Wow. All right, well wheel link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zai Guys is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you all to bye bye