Snaps - Caleb Williams wins 2022 Heisman Trophy + Deion Sanders' recruiting success

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So use promo code Snaps and download the FanDuel app today to make every moment more Yo's having everyone welcome in to a brand new edition of Snaps. It is Monday twelve, twelve, twenty twenty two. How about that? A lot of two's in today's date. But we'll be discussing who's number one, as a heisman was handed out over the weekend. Now, I still don't exactly know the difference between the Maxwell and the Heisman and the aberkas they're

both giving the best college football player. It doesn't matter. Caleb Williams and Eyes, and we're gonna talk called Williams today. We're also gonna talk a little prime time as Dion Sanders is already started making news up in uh Colorado. And Bill Connolly, uh, you know, providing manna from the sports talked Evans has decided to turn his prodigious uh wit and and numbers and analytics on ranking all of the thirty six teams that have made the playoffs in

the CFP era. And it's the top five that is sure to make you a bit angry almost no matter who you are. I mean, that's what lists do, and it's great work by Connelly, and I am angry, and so we'll break it down. UM, welcome, this is your first time listening to snaps. You're in the bottom Sword YouTube channel. I'm your host. Th bobab one of your hosts. Your other host is the beautiful half Jewish have Catholic QB one, Mr Aaron Murray, Aaron House Honakah. This is

my prime time of the year, Tea Pop. I don't not believe Hanaka started just yet today a little bit later this year, but this is when the gifts really start flowing. It. Then we're not no worry, we will. I'll ship you some some lacas and a and a handmade dradle and some some chocolate to have some fun with. We'll play a little drad old game maybe on snaps. Have some fun Drado dredl drad ol. I made it out of play and when it's try and ready, oh Drado,

I shall play. Um there we go. No, you're boetting ready? Was that you? Wait? Was that you just trying to prove your Jewish bona fides? Because those that don't know a few a few weeks ago, Aaron literally did not know the date of Hanakah. Now I don't know the dates either, but it changes. It changes. You act like it's Christmas. We're like, oh it's Aaron still does not know the da Because I just said I'm gonna be honest. Yeah,

because he just said. I think, I know it has not started the last I remember, it does start somewhere closer to Christmas time. Uh. And I have a baby here, so I have the ultimate excuse right now of baby brain and forgetting fatigue all that. So get off my back, Brown, I'm just a little seeperpride over here. Uh hanaka starting soon though, I believe, and and you know I have to go this weekend. I have the FCS Championship Semifinals, in which I don't know how many times I'll be

able to say that without sluring my words. And I think it's incarnate. I think it's incarnate word. I don't think it's eight. I think it's incarnate word. I live. I'm not Catholic. I live in a lot of I live a lot around a lot of Catholics. I feel like it's incarnate word. I don't know incarnate word verse North Dakota State high of eighteen, low of ten game date. But we're in the dome, we're in the fog, so we'll be fine. Ten. It's eighty degrees. Two days after

I leave, it gets into the negative. So luckily it's on Friday and not like Sunday. Because it's like negative two. I believe starting Sunday Monday of next week, I'm there. So yeah, wait, yes I meant them. So if you if you are watching, or if you're calling incarnate word, you will be calling a former l s U quarterback Lindsay Scott, Lindsay Scott Jr. Have you seen his numbers this year? This one viral a bit over the weekend Georgia. I have no idea, but Lindsay Scott used to be

at LSU. He could have beat out Danny at Lyne. He's somehow still in college, which you don't fully understand. He's like Stetson in that way. Lindsay Scott this year completed seventy one and a half percent of his passes for forty three yards a ten or fifty nine touchdowns to six picks for Lindsay Scott hitting Joe Burrow numbers Joe Burrow through sixty in a season. Lindsay Scott's gonna

throw more than that after this week. And alright, let's go in carnate word, big incarnate word guy right here. I had him from the beginning. I told you to play him on Best Bets. You should have listened to me. None of you all are actually gonna go check to see if I said that, So I can just see that and assume some lines for the FCS semifinals this weekend. Are we gonna Are we gonna do that? When are you going to have that? Bargo? I'm going to Fargo

Friday night. Friday night, baby, seven o'clock kickoff, only game in town, so you will be gone on Thursday. I leave Thursday night, gott. I was going about to give you a lot of ship if you did not tell me you were missing a show. No no, no, no. I mean like, it's seven thirty Thursday night. Get in at midnight so I can do the show and then we'll fly back first thing Saturday morning. If there's one thing that we have learned here, it's that Aaron Murray

does not shark work. He literally called a football game two days after Thanksgiving, two days after the birth of a brand new child. My wife would have had my nuts handed to me on a silver platter. Right. Who was it that gave the king one time in the Bible like somebody's head on a silver pad platter? He was like Paul's headers. I don't know, but the point is, I would have been a dead man, okay. But Aaron Murray's all about putting in that work each and every

day here on snaps. That's why you should subscribe to the pod, so I should share with your friends. That's why if you're watching on YouTube, you should hit the like button, share that with your friends and help us grow this wonderful college football community. Um, all right, do we want to go ahead and dive in Aaron are redone with a little playful four play here, yeah, four

plays over with We're lubricated. Let's make it happen. Let's dive right inside of Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes as there's been a cop going around town lately, and it's kind of a larger question about just how good Caleb Williams can be. But a lot of people are calling in Patrick Mahomes. We will get into why Aaron can really explain why even obviously even better than I can. But here's a quote that Caleb Williams had to say. I'm kind of being compared to Patrick momames Is quote.

It's pretty cool, I'd say, just because everybody watches Patrick and sees all the cool things he can do. I always said, even in high school, and look, obviously he's special, but I don't think there's anything I can't do that he's doing out there. I think it's really cool. Like I said, I've had comparison to a bunch of other people, and since I have, Patrick is pretty cool. So Caleb basically telling you, yeah, look, it's awesome to be compared

to Patrick Mahomes. But you know, I've kind of grown up playing in this same way. I think I can do everything that he's doing. I don't think it's as special necessarily as you think it is. And I'll get into why I think that's important, But first off, Aaron, is it ridiculous or too much to call Caleb Williams the next Pat Mahomes. I don't think it is either. I know, I know a lot of people get go crazy with I will never compare another player because he's

his own player and he's his own person. Yes he is. We get that he is his own person. He's a completely different DNA. He is Caleb Williams, he is Patrick Homes, two different people. But there is nothing wrong with watching both their tapes and saying I wonder he kind of reminds me of this guy who right now is the best quarterback in the NFL. The things that he does extremely well, And I have nothing I have no issue

was saying someone reminds you of someone else. I think it's obviously for for Kaylee Williams, it's a huge compliment. You you remind a lot of people, Like I said, the best quarterback right now on the planet in Patrick Mahomes. So it's the it's the evolution of the position at the end of that. That is what it is. You know, what we've seen from quarterbacks over you know, especially in

the past. I would say over the past ten years, from guys like Patrick Mahomes to to Baker, to Kyler Murray to la Mare Jackson, to look at Jalen Hurts there at Philadelphia right now, right now, looks like he's gonna be the m v P of the NFL this season. I thought coming out of college football is like, there's no way that guy can even throw a football. Like, I would never I would never take a chance on him. He can't complete balls down the field. But he's a

hard worker. He has a lot of great intangibles. He's a hell of an athlete, and when you're that type of athlete, that type of runner you're They get your one on one opportunities on the outside to make play. So bringing that all back to Caleb Williams, what makes him so similar to Patrick Mahomes. It's the freelance, it's the creativity. It's it's it's it's it's artwork. It really is. The quarterback position has to have a sense of Picasso on it, the special ones do. You're not a robot.

You're not just a five step, three step throw the football type guy, which those guys can obviously do. It's when things get ugly and nasty, how do you change the picture, whether it's with your legs or with your arm, to be creative for your football team. And and and for those who watch yesterday when Patrick Mahomes and his ability to get outside the pocket and do a little dump pash like my goodness, like can any how, how backyard football amazing? Is that? That is what Kadle Belliams does.

Changing the arm angles, getting out of pressures, extending place, putting the pressure on the defense to have the guard receivers for five, six, seven seconds. That is the name of the game nowadays. If you don't have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, like Jalen like Lamar, like Josh Allen there in Buffalo, like Caleb Williams. You're going to struggle or you're not gonna like Andy like like guys well

like Andy Dalton. You left Andy Dalton st sting quarterback and yeah, uh no, look you're you're, you're Your point is very well made, Aaron. And I think when people get upset by comparisons, like by comps, I think the problem with comps only become bad analysis if you say Caleb Wims like Patrick Mahomes and then you leave it alone and you add no further context. Uh, that's bad analysis. Comps, though, have their use, and it is to provide a framework.

And there could be no doubt that Patrick Mahomes has created, uh, in a lot of ways, a kind of new style of playing that position. Now it's not holy new, and sure you're gonna have all sorts of people like uh tell me like you know, Brett Farr guns singer clips like cutting and and and yes and on on on a grand scale, Um, Mahomes is grabbing, you know, from

different elements and different players and different eras that. But but it all comes together and the new whole is great into some of his parts, and it's kind of a new way of playing this quarterback just I mean habits like these, weird ar mangles like these, like throwing across your body, throwing across your face, don't look passes. All of these things that would have made coaches shutter just a little while ago are now being um applauded

and even incourage if you can do it. And obviously, this entire conversation comes to the baseline, if you are skilled physically enough to be able to make these plays, and that's for Kyla Williams gets interesting because he is physically skilled enough to make these plays. And in terms of him being the next Patrick Mahomes physically, he may have an even better base skill set. I mean, he

has much more hype than Patrick Mahomes. The coming out of college, nobody really quite knew what Patrick Mahomes was going to be except for a couple of people. I know Sean Payne had fallen in love with him. Of the draft process, he was gonna take him, Matt and Age had There's a fascinating um on the New Heights podcasts. The Kelsey Brothers podcast Mahomes told a great story about

how Matt Naggy basically gave him all the answers. The night before his interview with the Chiefs, I gave him the plays Andy Reid was gonna ask him to draw up uh so so that he could impress read until they get up. Like some people saw his potential, but nobody expected Petri Mahomes to do as good as he

did in the way that we expect CAYLEB Williams. And I think that the reason for that is because Pat Mahomes is kind of like the Roger Banister in this case where Roger Bannister was the first person to running a sub four minute mile and ampus at five in the miles a sub four minute mile, he proved that human beings could do it. After the nine years of that record not being advanced, and then with the two and a half years uh ten, other runners had to

come up with sub four minute mouts. In that same way, Pat Mahomes had to get out there improve that you can win with this kind of wild new age mobile gunslinger sort of style. And then if you're one of these coaches, if you have a guy that can do that instead of ironing that out instead of that beating out of in Patrick Mahomes, and his success has empowered

you to then encourage that in your guy. And so now that allows Caleb Williams to potentially rise to even greater heights, because, like Caleb Williams says, he's like even in high school when I was watching him and that thing, Caleb Williams was in high school and Pat Moomes started doing this, right, So this is someone in Caleb Williams, who has been brought up in this environment. So he's literally been raised with this style of play being right

in front of his face. Patrick Mahomes in a lot of ways just kind of having to make this up

as he goes along. But I think A Bard's nailed it in the chat, like he has the potential to be the next Patrick Mahomes, but A bars Levin says he'll only be the next Pat Mahomes if he's drafted by the next Andy Reid, and that you just don't know, because Mahomes did fall into a bit of a perfect storm situation where you have Andy Reid, you had Alex Smith to learn from, you had Travis Kelsey at Tyree Kill right, like all the elements were there and he

was just the final piece of the puzzle. We've seen it like look at Trevor Lwrence with Urban Meyer last year compared to Doug Peterson this year, Like we've seen a time to a tongue of a low last year, and Brian Floory is compared to him with McDaniel this year. Like setting coaching matters. So I don't know exactly if Kale wimsoever attained those heights, but I think he's capable, and I think it's fascinating to see him as one of the first products in this new age of quarterback

led by like Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen. Aaron turn your Mica, did we lose Aaron? Um, I'm here the no they they're they're doing the yard outside. So I think I was literally blowing leaves outside my room. I

was like, maybe she'd probably put that off mute. So we're back then, we're backint in three to one, three to one, Hey, Yes, I think since auation T Bob does matter a ton when it comes to where you can draft me, like like, that's why it's not always great to be in the first few rounds and you I think you brought a good point with Alex Smith. So I remember, you know, I got drafted by Kansas City. I can hit on this whole mentorship for Alex Smith.

When it comes to Patrick Mahomes obviously didn't work out as good as for me as it did Patrick, but um, he tried his hardest. I'm just not as as talented as Patrick mahomess uh. But Alex was with I think four different O Sason head coaches his first four years in the NFL, and he was drafted young al I think it was twenty years old when he got drafted out of Utah, very very young, high expectations, first pick in the draft. This is when the you know, the salary cap was was in big favor of of if

you're you know, pick the top five. Um, these guys getting crazy, crazy good contracts. And then every year it's a new offensive system, it's a new head coach, it's a new culture change, it's new players and just new phases. It's not easy to do, like there's a reason why you're getting drafted in the top five. That team sucks. So he was drafted in a good spot. He learned from Alex. He got Andy Reid, he got Tyreeki, got you know, Kelsey and and a lot of other good

guys around him. That's the biggest thing. And you look at Caleb Williams this season, it's it's it's he transferred, but he transferred with his head coach. He transferred into an offense that he knows that he had a year of experience with that he had success within Oklahoma. He carried that over there to usc You bring in, you know, the defending best receiver in the country there from Pittsburgh. You bring in some top talent the running back position

as well, you have an incredible offensive line. Big shout out to him for bringing his offense line there to the highsman ceremony in this past weekend. I thought that was really really cool. So he was in a great situation to take the step from last year to this year. And I want to go back to just the the backyard nature of playing the position of quarterback, because last year I thought he did it a little bit to

the extreme at times. Last year he was a little bit too reckless, Like we all remember the play where he ripped the ball way from his teammates and end up getting the first down and they end up winning that football game because of that. Like that's amazing, Like that is legitimate, like what you do with your buddies when you're in in in sixth seventh grade in your your parents backyard. But at times last year he was trying to be too creative and trying to do too

much and and there's always a fine balance. I always talk with Stetson about this too, because Stetson had a little bit of a you know, effort mentality last year at times where he went to the extremes of trying to make too many plays. There is a line of I always bringing up of being cocky and confident. Can you border that? Can you feel like you're the baddest dude on the field. You can make every throw in the field, but dude in a way where you don't

put your team in danger. And I think Caleb took a massive step in that department this year, where he was protecting the football. He was picking winning one to take chances down the field, when to throw the football away, when to get down when the slide. He evolved as a quarterback. And the scary thing is he's still young. It's only a second year. What he can do on the trajectory right now. When you talk about where his ceiling is, it's it's better than what Mahomes was coming

out of out of Texas our Texas Tech. It's really I think he's in a position right now that you never want to say someone say for sure, fire all pro Hall of Famer, none of that. Obviously, like I said, it has to be depending on his situation he gets drafted into. But his skill set right now today is ahead of where Patrick and Mahome was coming out of

Texas Tech. And and and that is why every NFL scout and GM is saying, hey, if I don't need a quarterback this year, I ain't drafted one because if I can somehow find a way to get him next year, our franchise is going to be in a hell of a position to compete for championships. Yeah, and um, well it's it's it's it's it's it's like we talked to right, this again is the natural evolution, Like he's in that better position because Pat Mahomes had to breakdown a lot

of those bears. We'll see, I mean t law Trevor Lawrence again is like as can't miss of a prospect ever, and even he looked bad because he was in all the situation. Now that he's in a better one, he's looking pretty good, like great this last Sunday. So he's gonna need to do more consistently. But we'll see, I'll mean, I'll be mean. Now, some guys transcend, right like Joe Burrow arguably transcended and kind of dragged Cincinnati up along with him. We'll see if Caleb Williams can be that

same character for wherever he ends up. Um. Yeah, So so let's put all those guys in a draft right now, because you bring you bring up Trevor Lawrence. He was a guy that you know. He he looks the park. I mean I met him when he was a senior in high school. He's six six, got the flow. I mean, I'm like Sandy, I felt like a little kid sending next to Trevor Lawrence looks the part, athletic, big arm, big kid. I mean literally, if you're on if you're on Madden and you want to create a player, it's

probably gonna look like Trevor Lawrence. Joe Burrow had the greatest single season in my opinion besides Cam Newton for for a college quarterback ever in the history. And obviously you're seeing what he's doing there for the Bengals, and now we're seeing what Caleb Williams is doing this year. Of those three, who would you take to lead your team if they're coming out right now? So, um, I'm probably a biased here. If you joined us on snaps the first time you t the l s New Jersey

is behind me. Um, that's kind of about a daily basis. And so I watched that Burrowing firsthand. But but I also think it's I hate this because I think that we overvalue championships, especially in a team sport like football. But Burrow played in the Super Bowl. Burrow brought the Cincinnati Bengals to a Super Bowl and in fact had to go through Pat my Homes and the Chiefs to do so, and as now beating Pat Mahomes the Chief's

last three times that they have played. So like, I still love the potential of te Law and he was an all the situation and he is getting better. And I love the potential of Caleb Williams. But if you're asking me, I've seen it out of Burrow, so I have to go there. Dvis and the chances, I no clue. I have no clue how Burrows doing what he's doing in Cincinnati. He's doing it because well, first of his intangibles are out of trold, kind of like Jalen Hurts

levels of intangibles, right, just elite in terms of leadership, work, ethic, etcetera, etcetera. Um. And also then it's just timing and decision making. That's so he's created and he can he can run around a bit like Aaron talk. He's mobile as well. But yeah, Burrows not the physical freak that a Lawrence are A or Or or a Caleb Williams. But uh yeah, that's

what I'm saying Caleb is. But but he but he scores so incredibly high on those other aspects, the competitiveness to work, ethic, butl yeah, yeah, So I would take Burrow personally, Dad, take Caleb. I think calep Is is what you want as a quarterback. Trevor at times a little bit too robotic for me. I mean, I love what he does and I think he's remember like that. There is a difference in the age to like, Joe

Burrow has played a lot more football. Joe Burrow is a lot more mature than those guys, just because he's he's an older quarterback, what years old? You know, these two are probably gonna go three and done. Yeah, like stetson, you know, just that they've been around the block, they're playing with little kids. It's unfair obviously. Um So I think that that's to me. I think that's the biggest advantage of Joe Brow. He is every time you're around him,

just a very, very mature human being. And this is something I said about Caleb last week. That's the one big concern for me right now is where is he maturity wise? And he's young, and he's going to continue to mature and grow and develop and all that. But like, I know you hate the fingernail thing, but I think that is a sign of a little bit immaturity. I think the way he interacts with this coaches on the field at times a little bit immature. Don't roll your eyes.

That's that's a little bit of a red flag. Like he he's not perfect. I just want to I'm throwing out there, like he's not a perfect quarterback that right right now, I feel he's pretty It's pretty damn Yeah. It's the hair Like then even look at him next to the other heisman. I was shocked when I saw four of them lined up in New York, and I was like, Caleb Williams is orders of magnitude better looking than these cats. Like he's absolutely winning the award. He's

better looking. He's in l a. Caleb Williams is about as close to perfect as you can come. Again in that your your entire criticism of him is a little bit of BBL and some painted fingernails. I like the figure. When we're sorry, to be clear chat when Aaron says I dislike the figure nail thing, he means I dislike the criticism of the fingernails. I fully support the painting of the discourse, if you will, yes, exactly, yes, thank you.

Um He's a stud, though, I would I would take him, I think, what because I think Patrick Mahomes is the quarterback that I would want him or all right, I still think Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen are the top two quarterbacks in the NFL right now, and he's the closest thing to to one of those two between the three of him, Burrow or Lawrence. So yeah, I'd take Caleb that I think. I think, I think I think that is the ceiling, and that's a hell of a ceiling.

Like he is up there, man, like he's now. It's just a question of what crappy team is going to be number one to draft him and what coaching staff is going to get their claws into him, because like you brought up like Andy Reid is one of the best minds and in all of football. I mean what he does. I mean he would literally wake up and

I don't think he would actually sleep. We would get to the facility and he said he'd be like sleeping with a piece of paper like a napkin by his bed, would wake up and draw a play and then go right back to sleep. And they come up with like napkins and pieces of paper, like, hey, I thought of this last night while I was sleeping. Like the man is dreaming football seven like just non stuff. He is a easter And that's what Patrick Mahomes got drafted into.

Like you can't tell me that that a quarterback is going to get drafted into that perfect situation ever again, Like it's just not gonna happen. No, he's Mormon, right, he has no vices. When you have no vices and you're not distracting yourself with beer and whiskey and porn hub. Next thing, you know, all you're doing is football, and

you become incredible at it. Imagine that. Um, all right, let's move on to a little p hub, I mean Prime Hub, because Dion prime time back in the news man as Colorado already paying immediate dividends here as Dion over the weekend gets a commitment from the number eight and excuse me, flips a commitment from Notre Dame for the number eight ranked running back in the country at ESPN Top three hundred cat. This guy's Dylan Edwards. He's

a five eight running back. He was committed to Kansas State, which look, all I'm saying is if I'm a five eight running back, probably going to Kansas State, pull whatever. That's either here nor there. He flips from Kansas State to Notre Dame, and now he flips immediately to Colorado. In the quote is the interesting part, So quote, I know a lot of guys are about to come here. I know a lot of guys that are about to

flip their commitments. They're all big power five guys and lots of offers, guys that are four and five stars. Nobody is safe in this situation recruiting wives coach Dion's plan here is worth coming to look at, and recruits are going to want to do that. Uh do you agree? Is do you think Dion at Colorado represented danger to like a couple of Georgia four or five stars or l s U four or five or Alabama? Like? Can he actually represent a potential threat at Colorado? In year

number one? He was a threat at an HBCU. Last year he took the number one recruiting the nation away from all those schools to go to school. So yes, a threat. It's like, uh, he brought what is it Travis from the clause of Florida State in Georgia and Alabama? No, no, no no, come the Jackson State with me, and then a bunch of you know, he had a bunch of other four star guys that he got. There were top

three hundred guys. So yes, he is a hundred percent danger now that he has facilities that he's in a Power five conference, that he can compete for conference championships and compete to make the playoffs. I'm not saying it's happened this year, but eventually, so yes, he has put himself in a position where he's gonna be able to

build this roster. He's already remember all those that the Scott and and all these you know, four star guys he got last year, those guys get hit the portal and as soon as they win their their championship this Saturday afternoon there they're gonna follow him and go to Colorado. So then all of a sudden you have four or five four stars, which is four or five more four stars that are already more than you had on the roster.

So the rosters are already better. Um so, yes, he is a major major threat to all the big boys. And I think something too that's happening at the moment because of USC and their success, because the u c l A and their success in Oregon, in Washington and then the you know, the thought of the expanded playoffs, the relevance of West Coast football, I think is getting better.

It's not the sc see, it's not the excitement here that we live every day in Georgia and Louisiana and Bama and the Carolina is like that's that's an extreme. But people on the West Coast, because of Caleb Williams and because of those other teams, And like I said, the expanded playoffs are now taking more recognition about college football,

and so are recruits and recruiting parents. So now all of a sudden, if you're a kid and you you want to say on the West Coast, you don't want to have to go across country to make mom and dad travel. And now Dion prime time Sanders is there in Colorado, you may take a trip there. So I think for him, all he needs to do is get those kids on campus. He's a hell of a recruiter, he's a hell of a motivator. He's building a tremendous, tremendous, tremendous group of coaches and a staff and a support

staff around him. All he's telling kids right, telling his staff and fans, just get him to Boulder and I'll do the rest of it. And I do trust Dion. If you get them to Boulder, he's going to win a lot of those decisions from a lot of these top recrew. So, um, yeah, he's a major threat thrushing to those West Coast teams as as they're trying to build out there, and Boulder seems cool as hell in

its own right. Right, and then Dion is the ultimate cool and like be beings talking about in the chat players, parents will want to meet Dion. It's almost like, if you have an offer from Dion, even if in your heart you think there's no way you're going to go there, you take the visit just to meet Coach Prime, like you take the visit just to go see what it's

all about. And then within that, maybe that natural charisma, the natural flash that smile overcomes you and all of a sudden you're like, wait, I'm gonna change all my plans. I think I can see myself committing here. I thought that um Zion ola head a And I apologize I might I'm pronouncing his last name wrong. I'm I'm sure could be Ala Jet It's O L O j D.

He's doing the head content guys for Complex. He had a great piece on Complex dot com where, um, There's been a lot of discourse over Dion leaving Jackson State for Colorado after three years after all of his promise is of what he wanted to do with HBCUs and everything else, and and you know, some people saying he bailed on that and and he bailed in it for Colorado and it kind of cheapens the original message. Well, you know, I I think it's an interesting conversation where

I definitely see validity to both sides of the argument. Um. But Zion went and talked to the actual Jackson State players, right imagine that interviewed them, Okay, how do you feel

about your coach now leaving for Colorado? And what's wild is nearly to a man, they were very appreciative and thankful of what Prime did for Jackson State and hbc U S and many of them basically saying also that he kept it very real that from day one they knew this wasn't a matter of if, it was a matter of win, and that in that time he was there,

that he did everything he promised to do. He grew them, he put them on the map, He came out of his own pocket to pay for facilities and upgrade everything, uh, all the equipment, everything that they had. Right. So, like, while we're all talking about the guys that really matter are the ones that actually played for him, and they all are completely happy with him and what he did. And that's a huge positive sign in my opinion for

what he's going to do next. And In that article, he interviews the players as well about why they chose Jackson State. And there's one cat Isaiah Bolden. He was leaving Florida State after coaching change. He was going to go to Texas A and M. He talked to coach Prime for an hour on the phone and he immediately flipped to j s U And it was the last line from Zience article that stood out to me said quote, I ain't gonna lie to you. When the goat call

your phone, why not go with him? And I think that's very representative what Dylan Edwards is saying, That's what Aaron is saying, That's what I am saying, is that he, like he told you, and like the jack State president told you, he opens doors that are closed otherwise. And once the door of opportunity is open, there have been few human beings on this planet in the game of football that are better at following through on those opportunities.

So yeah, like Aaron said, if he's getting the number one recruiting the Nation of jack say, he's lutely going to be a threat at Colorado. Well, and he's he's listening. He's a proven winner as a coach too. I know it's a different league, it's not a Power five school, but winning is winning at the end a like, can you recruit the better players in your conference or your division or whatever it may be. He's proven he can do that. Can you then go develop that talent and

win football games? He's proven that. I just think there's a level of credibility. Like, what if you're in Alabama and and Nick Saban tells you to do something, You're sure as hell going to do that. You're gonna try to do it at a very high level because he's proven that. Hey, if I follow directions and I do what coach Saban says, there's a good chance that I'm gonna, you know, win individual awards, will win a championship, and I have an opportunity to play at the next level.

Uh you know why coach standers, Maybe you know Dion hasn't proven that necessarily, Hey, I can coach first round talent, I can get to the NFL. He's played at the highest of levels. He's one of the all time grades in the NFL. So if he's if he's been around the best of the best, he knows what it takes to play because don't get me wrong. Like all these kids love college football. I love college football. You love college football. People listening to the show love college football.

The kids enjoyed, especially now that they get paid. But the goal is can I get to the NFL? Can I go make a boatload of money, retire at forty and just play golf, like that's everyone's dream. Prime has been there, done that knows what he's talking about, knows what it takes to get there, the level of credibility that he brings when he talks to these recruits. He can sit down with your mom and dad and say, hey,

I played in the NFL. I played with this Pro Bowl or this Pro Bowl, this ployler, I won this championship. I know what it takes to get your son here. I'm gonna develop him. I'm gonna term into the best D line, cornerback, quarterback, receiver, running back, whatever it takes to win championships and make his dreams come true. How are you going to disagree with that? Man? He's been there, done that, he knows what it takes. I think he's

can absolutely kick asks there at Colorado. And and I'll say, like I said last week, shame on Albred for not giving him a chance. I still think they're gonna be, you know, regretting this decision, just a tad bit at the end of the day. Yo, What up y'all? T bab beer here from you do favorite college football podcast snaps here in the Volume Sports YouTube channel. Remind you to make every moment more This Monday night tonight the

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read The Wheel of Time? Aaron? Have you ever heard of Robert George's Wheel of Time, a fantasy series? Okay, in the in in that story, they talk about some humans having a strong tavar in right, and what this is is that basically reality kind of weaves around them, almost bends to their will. It's almost like they have a magnetic pull on everything around them. I think you see this in athletes sometimes, like a Tom Brady, Joe Burrow has strong to Aaron. You see coaches with this.

Dion has this. Everything he has touched in life has turned into a success. His Tavaron is incredibly strong and help prove it once again? What is this? From the chat, Joe says that the guy on the left has life looks like Tom Hanks and Castaway. Don't you talk about Aaron Murray that way? Okay, Eric just had a kid. You need to relax. Okay, my man's barely sleeping at night, and I'm not gonna stand here and oh yeah he said,

he said left. But I thought we were doing like from our perspective, you're on my left because it's hey Joe, well that's just I do have I do my wife. My wife did look at me last night and say, um, you got a lot more salt baby. I was like, I know, there's a lot more salt making fun. You have two kids, bro, Holy smokes, little salt pepper. It looks good for TV. Though it does look good, it makes me look a little bit more, you know, a little bit more mature, a little older. So I'm all

for it. I love I love salt and pepper. Um. Ideally I'll go gray at the temples, right, I would love to just go gray at the temples and look like a wise old journalist or something or or or while in TEXTI how how Jordan looked when he lost his mind and destroyed the green lantern core. But that's a that's that's a conversation um for another day. I agree with the wee's and the chat qubs. Don't get lice,

that's true. I've never known a quarterback with lice. They're there to um self involved for that, right Uh they they let me look at there and look how beautiful he is. That's not that does not happened by accident. It's a lot of Mr talent. But there's also work that goes into that. That's a lot of not trying to. I try to follow a sharance uh late night skin routine, you know, keep it nice and moist and soft like a baby's butt and steep up and I will know

right now. So oh, my god, it's so soft, so fresh. Uh Timothy, Oh wait, sorry, the poll closed up the chat that I wanted to get to. Uh. Timothy Perry says, So Dion has some dirt on his name and Dallas. Look, I'm not nobody's saying this. Dion is perfect, right, and it's very clear that he did go through some public demons that he had to battle. But again it's a testament to his pull on reality that nobody cares and nobody ever mentions it, and it just even certainly issue

for Auburn and their coaching search. Hey, that's a man of God. I need you to relax from Okay, I do like that. If you just evangelized, you can do whatever the hell you want. But whatever, that doesn't matter. I don't want to get that conversation. Now, let's get into us. So. Look, I love Bill Connolly. He does the SMP plus. Um. We talked about Bill Connolly constantly on the show, right. I think his analytics and think of the way that he used college football is great

and he always does fun list sorts of deals. Well, he came up with the does it every year he is now updated it's the top five teams of the playoff era. So he has ranked all thirty six teams that have made the college football Playoff. It starts at number thirty six with that Michigan State team, uh that snuck in uh last year, and then we get to the top five and it's, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll. I'll just let's stop five and then we'll get into it.

Number five on this list twenty twenty one Georgia. That's right, the twenty one Bulldogs who finally captured that championship once again. And number five and listen, Number four as it stands currently is twenty twenty two Georgia. Number three is twenty eighteen Clemson, number two twenty nineteen ls you, and number one twenty twenty Alla Obama. I've got a lot of problems with this. I love Conway. I don't know that

I love this list. First off, on one, Georgia, UM, sure, right, they could be fighting for that number one spot maybe, but they have the SEC championship lost and they are the highest ranked one lost team on this list, so like immediately they are where they are because of lost. Okay, go ahead, let's have that before we get to the right.

Like I think that's this. This is an interesting topic right here, because a lot of people obviously comparing last year's team, just living in the state, last year's seems last year's national championship team to this year's team that right now looks like they're going to win the national championship. Which team is better? Uh? And obviously he has it, as this year's team is ranked one spot ahead of

of last year's national championship team. I disagree. I think if you put both those teams on the field today today, I would take the football team. Um. I think the defense is absolutely studded. I just as we know. I mean I don't have to bring up the stats. I mean guys got drafted off that defense. I think the defense is better. I think the offense actually is better. And I think, but oh, look at the points are scoring this year. I think they're better at at running back.

And I think with with what James Cook brought last year from the running back position. Uh, you know, the way a d Mitchell, you know, a d U emerged in the playoffs, the way mcconky played. Obviously, Bowers was terrific last year as well. So now I don't think a ton of difference from the skill. I think the biggest difference is Stetson is playing with more confidence and that that helps. But I still think last year's team is just as talented on offense, and I think they're

more talented on defense. I would take last year's team ahead of this year's team. So it's it's it's interesting, right because I agree with everything you're saying, and I think you know these George teams far better than I do,

and so I think you're correct. But I also understand per this list, you have to be undefeated if you want to be in this top four, right, and so like, I agree from a theoretical standpoint of what you're saying, but that's a level of nuance, and I don't know if you're gonna a little bit easier, a little little eas this year. This year's schedule was yes, this year's Georgia's schedule, I mean, don't just let's go. They both

would undefeated. And then which team would you rather face an SEC championship game, last year's Alabama team or this year's l s U team. It's it's a harder matchup, it's a better for four team. I care too if last year's Georgia team was facing l s U. What what was in this? I said, they would have done the same thing, if not worse. So yeah, they would have been on the field. Lets you got smacked up by Texas, ay and them. Okay, it's a testament to

glue and popsicle sticks and traits over talent. Like Brian Kelly said that Elsie was in that game in the first place. So one Georgia number five, two Georgia number four. I think two Georgia. Actually, even if you would ring behind tweeny one Air and they have a golden opportunity to move up on this list because when you look

ahead of them ten Clips, it was awesome. In fact, Clips was better than I really remember their fifteen and oh they ran through the playoffs being Notre Dame thirty to three and Bama forty four to sixteen seventy four to nineteen. That's a that's a fifty five point differential

there in the playoffs. However, if you think back, this was also the team that barely escaped Texas and Amber the jew Boing version and had to had Chase Brice lead them on a comeback to beat Syracuse, right so they had two close calls compared to this year's Georgia's one, And when you look at this year's u g A team, Ohio State is a massive matchup. If Georgia goes and

dominates that team, that's going to vault them up. And then if they go and dominate a national championship against um, you know, maybe Michigan whatever, who's been perfect otherwise, Like, yes, there's a good chance that you could end up number three on this list. But as it stands down, I don't really really have too much of a problem there because Clemson team was way better even than I remember once I started to go down this kind of memory road. Yeah, no,

I'm fine with that too. I agree, Like if Georgia does end up beating most like the Ohio State in Michigan, I would put them at three. I still, once again, like if we want to talk about just you know, better season, I guess you could say this year's team for Georgia at the better season because they went on a fee compared to not winning as the championship last year.

So if you're going purely on that, then yes, But if I'm going on once again like a put those two teams on a on nt A football three whenever comes out. I do think last year's team would win that football game and win that matchup on the field, but just pure season wise, Yes, you moved that team ahead of Clemson there into the number three spots. Um, where I have issue and I think you have issue

with two is the one in two spots. I thought that that twenty nineteen l SH team in that offense with Joe Burrow and those receivers and Clyde Edwards at running back, and and and and the production that side the talent they head on defense. Yes, it didn't show at times for the first three fourth the season, but they showed up there later on. That team, to me would beat anyone on this list head to head. And that's that's how I compare my list. You put both

teams on the field, who would win? I put my money on twenty nineteen l s U to take care of business verse Alabama. Yeah, I mean the way that they closed out that season, dominating Georgia, dominating Oklahoma eight B. Climpson. So again, they gave up a little more scoring than did that eighteen Clemson team, But that's a fifty two point differential out of l s U. So really the gap is the same, and a lot of that is against the same members of that Clipson team that was

so incredible. Okay, let's let's talk about Let's just actually read verbatim why Connolly put twenty twenty Bama number one overall, because I think it exposes the problems. The Crimson Tide had the number one, three, and five finishers in the Heisman voting. They played one game decided by few of them fourteen points. They bested inn SEC only schedule by an average of thirty point two points per game that even struggled early, but allowed only fifteen per game after

mid October. This was Nick Saban's best team ever and quite possibly the best team in the twenty first century. Best team from the best coach with the best dynasty sounds like the best team of the CFP era. Two problems of this first off, One, it completely ignores the elephant in the room covid Right. It was a completely different year than any we have ever seen, and there was no doubt that Nick Saban handled it better than

nearly anybody else. And while that is a huge credit to Saban in company and also kind of works against them in my mind in this conversation, because when you look at it, having the first, third, and fifth Heisman finalist on one team, that is an absurd out liar, right Like, if it had happened in a normal year, I would have said, this is like the best thing you have. The problem is it happened that outlier happened,

and the biggest outlier year of all time. And so that concentration and that correlation tells me that this was more about how Nick Saban handled COVID relative to his opponents. Also, look at bama struggles on the road the last couple of years and then understand that road teams didn't really exist that year. My second big problem with Connolly's final sentence here, the quote best team for the best coach of the best dynasty of the twenty first century sounds

like the best team of the CFP era. That is fundamentally flawed logic. You can be you can have the greatest dynasty ever, and you could be the best coach ever, and it can be the best team of your tenure ever, but that does not make it the best team ever. And it's not a part of a dynasty. It's the ultimate one off. It is a perfect storm of good that immediately crumbled into dust. It was it was the ultimate glass cannon, a nuclear bomb that just left devastation

in its wake. Right. But but but it should not be penalized for not being a part of something greater. We are talking about single year team and single year samples, and so if you want to call Nick Saban's best team, that is fine by me. But it does not automatically equate to being the best team ever. And I think when you look at the success the guys from that

L s U team have gone on to have. UM, yes, I feel comfortable and saying that L s U nineteen would have beat BAMA twenty and uh be a battle against twenty one U J I would like to see that as well. Uh. That's that's that's interesting one. You put the best offense of maybe ever in college football against one of the best defenses ever. Let's just say in the past ten years, probably L s US offense best offense we've seen in the past decade, ten fifteen years.

And in the same thing with George's defense. I I will be sorry Georgia fans. L s you would win that football game. Um, we we've seen even that year. I mean, what did Georgia struggle with in the SEC championship game? They struggle with teams that could push the ball vertically down the field, and and and Alabama won that game. And why George is not ranked a little

bit aheader? You tell me that Burrow, the way that he was playing that season, how magical it was with Chase and company and Clyde Edwards, would not be able to put up a ton of points first Georgia. Yeah, LSU would would to me once again, if you put that team on the field against any team on that list, would take care of business in a big, big way. It was a special year. I give you credit, Tea, Bob. That was a specials You know why because you didn't

give one one pregame speech. I'm sure that's why. Okay, relax. Aaron's referencing the fact that I got to do the pregame high video for Tennessee this year and went horribly. Um No, but I did make a ten to fifteen minute nineteen episode radio play called Song of Purple and Gold, which which covered the adventures of the Swamp King as he as he set seeded to unseat the Crimson Emperor and and and regain the glories of the cast iron throne.

And guess what he did it? Okay, Aaron, he did it just because you're living now, just because you are now the Crimson Emperor with Kirby Smart and the red and Black on top. Just wait, the the end will hurt all the words the middle of the dynasty where in the middle of the dynasty team you just don't know. Maybe you don't know better. If you win the national Championship, I told you, I will grant you the rank of dynasty. Um. Right now you are a Jedi master, but I do

not put you on the council. I'm sorry, not until you win this second natty. Um. Here's an interesting tidbit in this piece. The ten in playoff free programs, those are the ones who have not made the playoffs that have had the best SMP plus ranking of the CFP are and and with one year left in the four team playoff, which one of these teams has the best

chance to make it next year? You got Iowa at ten, Old Miss at nine, Mississippi State at eight, Oklahoma State at seven, Utah six, Wisconsin five, Penn State for A and M three, Florida too, and Auburn one. So next year, which of those teams do you think has the best chance to make the CFP Uh Iowa, no Ole, miss no, Missipy State, No, Oklahoma State, no states. Kind of interesting, I mean, brum, we're talking about a bo A show

the Big Twelve right now. Yeah, the Big Twelve is a week I would Yeah, I guess you mean, you know, Michigan's returning, you know, their quarterback in a lot, I would kind of lean towards Michigan take care of business and of hell no for to know Albert No. So yeah, if I had to, if I had to pick one, Um, I guess Oklahoma State. Maybe Utah? Um, I mean an Utah has got to be the answer. They've been a four or five last Pack twelve championships. They've knocked on

the door. They beat the hell out of USC twice until Kale WiM's gonna be intimidating and USC can be good. But until Utah stops whooping that ask consistently, I'm not giving you to I'm not giving USC the benefit of the doubt over them. Like what happened in that Pack twelve championship was some little brother ship that was some son and ship. After the Pelicans did of the sons

this weekend. Uh what's his name? I don't know if the quarterbacks back though again next year, I think, I mean he's been cam Rising has been magical ever since he took over after that that San Diego State game last year. So I don't know if he's back or if he's back, Yes, little brother, big brother. But yeah, the list sucks. I don't think it even make it. But if I had to pick one, and well, I mean, yeah, you know that is kind of the point of the list is they've never made it right, so it's kind

of against them. Hey, uh, brom Um, you also produce an NBA podcast. Um, are y'all going to make sure to only talk about the Pelicans today? We do not have an episode today, but if we did, we wouldn't only be talking to Pelkins, good, good, excellent, Um, because at a time when everything else sucks or the st suck, Pelicans are awesome. Uh, George is awesome and we're gonna talk about it as the playoffs are hurdling right along.

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