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private conversations about where he's going, where he's not. And so I went to dinner with Sean, spent about four and a half hours with him. A couple of weeks ago, he very much liked the Broncos ownership His concerns were lack of cap flexibility and Russell Wilson's process a little disconnected from younger players. He was concerned about it. I shared that with you when you get into a situation like this. These new owners were going to reset the
coaching salary market. So Sean Payton liked Fox. Sean Payton would have stayed at Fox, and Sean and I talked a lot about this. In fact, we talked about this after the show Monday. The things he worried about were always the same, cat flexibility and let's get Russell Wilson to get back to playing Russell Wilson style, which is almost basketball style quarterback move the pocket move a lot instinctive. He's one of the better guys that we've ever seen do that right. So I'm not going to go into
the Adam Schefter Ian Rappaport space. They're going back and forth on whose job this was and whose job it wasn't. I was told very early that Denver really liked Sean and it was Sean's job to lose. Now, money is a big component to any great job. The more risk, the more money any coach would want. I do not think and I said this before. I think you need an offensive coach in Denver. I don't think Tamiko Ryan's as talent as he is. You got to figure out
the Russell Wilson piece. I thought Harball was a good fit, and I thought Sean Payton was a good fit. I thought you needed, after Hackett, a proven commodity at head coach and an offensive commodity at head coach. So Harball Peyton were really good choices. So you know, when I had talked to Sean over the course of the last several weeks, he was always interested, always thought it was great. But there are gambles here. It's not simple. Everybody in
the internet wants to make everything simple. Let me tell you something. When you start talking about the salary involved here and the components in place, it's complicated. Big time agents, billionaire owners. Sean Payton's high profile had a lot of leverage. I love Jim Harbaugh, but he's a lot and wants a lot of control, and Sean doesn't necessarily need that personnel control would like an opinion, doesn't need as much control. So what I was told is the Bronco owners like
that very much, but jobs like this are complicated. Initially I thought it was Sean's and I do think Denver's job when you consider all the other openings, is the best because of good roster in key spots and Russell Wilson's talented. You know, Carolina, I think that's an interesting job, but it's hard to find quarterbacks. College football only gives you about one to two a year. So Carolina's job has a chance to be great. But what if they don't land Derek Carr or Garoppolo and they miss on
their next two quarterback draft picks. I mean Arizona missed on one, went on another. Thought they got a hit with Kyler Murray. Now they may have a miss. He won't be available this year for much of it, and he's struggling to get along with people. So this was always really complicated. But what I talked to Sean after Monday show, in fact, he had just changed his avatar to Fox Sports. It wasn't that it was a coaching avatar. He just changed it to a broadcast asting avatar, and
now he's taking the Broncos job. This went back and forth. In fact, one of the tells with this is the Jim Harbaugh resurfacing rumors. Well, what does that tell you? It tells you that they wanted Sean Payton. They weren't agreeing on the number, and so suddenly stories get out when somebody launts them out, Harbaugh's name surfaces to negotiating ploy. In the end, there were two coaches where this can work, Harbor Sean Payton. There's a lot of things I like
about it. There are other reasons where it's not an easy job. If this was an easy job, Sean Payton would have taken this thing three weeks ago. It's not. The Russell piece is going to take work. The offensive line needs fixing, lack of cap flexibility. You've got a hit on several draft picks, and they just gave up several to the Saints to get Sean Payton. So it's complicated. But this stuff goes back and forth all the time. I had been in contact with people upstairs at my
company with Sean Payton. It was a very respectful conversation. I thought Sean did a great job to keep me in the loop on it, and I congratulate. I think it was Schefter that broke the story. Good for him, that's what he does and does well. You know, I guess apparently I haven't followed it, but Ian Rappaport and Schefter have a disagreement on social media about who was
a lead candidate who wasn't a lead candidate. I don't think this job is a good job for a first time head coach on the defensive side of the ball. I don't. I think it's going to be a lot of work to get this right. Also, something Sean and I talked about at dinner. You know, Sean's a smart guy. He thought about everything, and he said, listen, Mahomes twice a year and Herbert twice a year. What if Brady goes to the Raiders twice a year? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of things at
play here. It was never easy. It went back and forth. Teams leak this and coaches age in sleep this, and that's the game. We've been talking about this. There were a bunch of job openings, and about four or five days ago we were all saying, why aren't they getting filled, because I believe everybody was waiting for Sean Payton. Then Sean gave Carolina kind of the word, I'm not taking
that job. So they go to Frank c Reich. He interviewed with Arizona, he interviewed with Houston, and he told me about all these or at least the Houston won. We went into some detail on that. It's private. I'm not getting into it. It was unique, but this is not simple. The division's tough. Mahomes is amazing. Herbert now has a really good offensive coordinator, I think in Kellen Moore. I don't think winning is going to be easy, but I think in the end, the Broncos had to hit
a number for Sean to take the job. And Sean loved working at Fox, loved it. When I talked to him after the show, I thought he was going to stay at Fox. Then all of a sudden, you get hard boss stuff out there. It's fascinating, though, isn't it. Sean Payton's just too good not to be coaching. I don't think I've ever learned more from a guest than what I've learned from Sean Payton. And all the years I've been doing this twenty five thirty years, I don't
think I've ever learned more. There are so many parts to coaching. Some of it's not even personnel and play calling and scheming. There's a lot of personalities you have to deal with, and he had such a good fit with Gail Benson and Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland with the Saints that it's going to be virtually impossible to recreate that in Denver. But what Sean wants to make sure of is, Okay, this is not going to be easy, and this is very important. This is not going to
be easy. You have to commit to me, Yeah, to commit long term resources. What should pay me? Why it's much easier to move off a coach Cliff Kingsbury salaries smaller. You got this cornerback, he's young, in his prime. Russell's not in his prime, didn't look like he's in his prime. You can't move him for about three years minimum, so it could take a lot of work. It's not easy. There are things though about this job that are you know, listen,
that are really that sound great? A young running back who can be a star, left tackle, nice receivers, capable tight ends, really really high end corners. This is not a rebuild. You got to fix the offensive line and you got to make Russell Wilson work, But it's not a rebuild. There was Also, I'll be interested to hear about the staff, the defensive coordinator, the offensive coordinator. Sean
and I have discussed that at length. I'm gonna let that come out over the next probably seventy two hours. There's a couple of names out there that have been connected to jobs but are not official. This could end up being a really, really strong staff. I'll leave it at that, but I'm happy for him, smart guy. The league is pivoted to offense. This was a job for an offensive head coach. Absolutely, Harbon Peyton. It will be a lift some really good pieces. But you know, Russell
is a unique personality. A lot of people took shots at him when he left Seattle. You don't see a lot of that with star quarterbacks. And then he played a little better at the end of the year when Hackett was gone. That's encouraging. Jerry Judy, I think it was stuck up for him in the Denver locker room. That was encouraging. So I can't wait to watch it. I'm not sure what it's going to look like, and that's to me, the best stories. I'm not exactly sure
what it's going to look like. I think suddenly, unless Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets, Denver will be the most interesting team in the NFL this year. Now, if Aaron goes to the Jets, that's going to be fascinating. But Russell Wilson and Sean Payton, because you know, Sean Payton has definitive views on how to run a football operation, and Russell Wilson going to have to make some changes. How easily does he make those changes? I'm not sure. Things I like about the job, things I don't love
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real reporter. I occasionally have relationships, but I'm not in the story of breaking business. It's what you do, and do it very very well. But we sat down and um, you know, Sean and I talked about everything, the Russell Wilson piece, the owner piece, the mahomes Herbert four times a year piece, and the hard bought piece. And in our relationships with coaches, I'm I always feel like a responsibility to tell the audience as much as I can, and I will hear not everything. There are some things
I want to protect my relationship with Sean. I don't want to get into the whizzing match between Ian Rappaport and Adam Schefter. But I felt when I had dinner with Sean very strongly that he was the coach that he knew there were obstacles, and I felt, but this is my takeaway that you're gonna have to pay for Sean because this job is not easy. There's some good stuff, it's not a rebuild, but the Russell Wilson thing is real. Is that? Is that how you viewed this situation, that
the price point. I mean, that's why I talked to Sean Monday after my show. I thought he was a Fox employee. I think this thing came down to Denver making a financial commitment to Sean, letting him know, Hey, we know it's not easy. We're going to take the pay scale to a different level. Is that your interpretation, Well, I think there's a couple of things. First of all, it's a leap of faith on both sides for whoever
was going to take that job. You've got at least a year with Russell Wilson, and you pray it doesn't look like it did this last year, possibly two years, because it really does impact your cap You've lost a lot of draft capital because of that trade as well. And you are in that division with Mahomes and Herbert, and you know that's kind of a you know, something that would give a candidate with options pause, even possibly
to mke o Ryan's. He may have had his other reasons for wanting Houston, or he may have had the choice made for him and just read the tea leaves. But that was one thing. If you're looking to hire Sean Payton, you know the price tag is high. You have to give up draft capital. That's especially sensitive if you're the Broncos because you just gave up all that draft capital for Russell. You got the one back for Chub.
You're giving that away now. If you're the Texans, you could say, yeah, we've got draft capital, We've got all that Deshaun Watson loot. But you are necessarily, you know, weakening yourself. So you're giving up draft capital. You're giving up money. Now. That was a strength of the Broncos job. They do have lots of money. They do have Russell issue. You know, George Peyton is a very very well liked GM.
If Sean was going to come in somewhere and turn the GM into essentially a director of player personnel, you know, George is someone that you could see that relationship working out, at least in the short term. He's super well liked he goes with the flow. But you know, my read on the Broncos from Afar is that they knew that Sean was expensive, both in terms of draft capital and money, and they knew that he came in with a little swag.
He wasn't kissing the ring of the Walmart and oh wow, I just wanted you know, he's basically saying you should hire me because I'm awesome. So you also had to go down parallel paths before you decided whether you're going to do that, And it just seemed to me that
at least the public facing side of it. Remember, these are the richest people you know there are, and they're not used to really being criticized, like say, NFL owners normally get criticized, and people are looking at it going, well, you asked Harbaugh, he said no, you flew off to see him again. He still said no, Dan Quinn dropped out, and Damiko Ryan's chose the Texans over you. So whether that's an accurate assessment, because I think there were a
lot of moving parts. Also, by the way, someone leaked that David Shaw was the favorite. So now it really looks like four different people that you either couldn't get or didn't want, and now you're like, well, how are we gonna not look like these you know, bumbling billionaires. What are we gonna do. Let's swing big baby, because money is a strength. And you know that them Sean Payton, whenever they paid Sean Payton is like you and I,
you know, exchanging a burger basically. Well, and here's the thing, there are parts of the job that are really good. Like in the NFL, you've got a talented quarterback, a starting left tackle, pretty good perimeter weapons, a young running back who was hurt but people really like, yeah, some of the best corners in the sport. And you've got some defensive personnel that can you know, that can move
around you. Also, it's a big brand and you can, as you know, you can get draft capital pretty quickly, move people here there. You can. But I I said this in my ten minute ramble before you if this was if this was an easy job, Sean would have taken it a month ago or three weeks ago. I think the Russell piece scares people, but I also think there's a part of show like okay, so I used
this one the forty nights traded for Christian McCaffrey. I had to write a column immediately for the chronicle, and I led with something the effect of this was a move based on or born of arrogance. And I say that lovingly, by the way, as a fellow, that was a great call. But I mean, like, I know what it's like. I believe in my abilities, you know, probably to a ridiculous degree at times. And if you're Kyle Shanahan, you're like, oh, man, I know it costs a lot.
But if I get Christian McCaffrey and I put him in my offense, and I like, it's gonna be insane. So you I think you want your coach to have that streak. So look, I've known Sean Payton since the early days and I love him, and one reason I do is because he believes that Sean Payton is really, really good at this. So in a way, I think
you're like, yeah, I could do that. And by the way, like there might be more attractiveness because everyone thinks it's a bad job and everyone thinks for us, so can't be salvaged. And if you have struggled at first, people might give you a little bit of elite, you know, a little bit of leeway there. But if you don't and you come in and you know, make the playoffs next year, people are gonna go Sean Payton, Man, look what he did, you know, and dun Peterson just kind
of did it. He had an easy division. But you know, Sean Payton is one of the absolute best of the world at what he does, and he knows it and his knowledge of that is part of what makes him who he is, and that's what you're paying. Yeah, and I felt I said this early that I thought this was a job for an offensive coach. An example, I think Brian Flores is kind of a fascinating hire in Arizona. Special team's defense in Miami got good in a week. And he's an ass kicker. He won't take he's an alpha,
he won't take any Kyler's stuff. Right, But Mike and I've been on this for a year and it's tedious to the audience. But the league is changing. Belichick struggling now. Andy Reid is the new Belichick, and this job, the defense is so talented. You can get a good coordinator. I think you got a massage the Russell piece. I think it needed. And this is not a shot at Demiko. I think it needed a veteran offensive coach who was
dealt with drama, with quarterbacks, with coordinators. This is a solvable job, but Mike, it's a hard job, right, Yeah. And going back to the Flores thing, Okay, So first of all, you and I have talked about this publicly and privately. Brian Flores did not get fired because he
was not doing a good job as a coach. He got fired because of interpersonal yes, abrasiveness really, and he was not getting along with a lot of people, including first and foremost is incumbent backs who we saw it with a little love this year and yeah, Gobatock brilliance was a lot different. So I'm a little scared when you say that. I yet why And look, first of all, I want Brian Floys to get another job at some point.
I do believe there's system of racism and hiring practices, and you know he had the guts to to you know, Sue, and I hope that that is not factricked to whether it gets another job. I'd be happy for him. On the other hand, man, it's the same thing. It's like the Broncos can't just say we goofed on Russell goodbye. Yeah, at least the Cardinals can't do that with Kyler, and given Brian Floor's track record with two like, I agree, you want to draw the line and start changing the paradigm.
And by the way, Sean Payton's gonna do the same thing with Russell. John's gonna be I can't rust that sixth person team that follows you around the facility. They're gone, buddy. And you know how, you have a bigger office than I do. Let's either switch or I'm giving that office to you know whoever. So that's going to happen. But I mean, I think Sean has great people skills and will get that done. And Russell will have, you know, the emotional intelligence to take it in the spirit it's intended.
If Bryan Flores comes in and starts, you know, treating Kyler like dirt, that look you paid Kyler. You tried to put a close in his contract that made him look like a twelve year old and then actually backed off even worse, you acknowledge that he doesn't study enough. In your eyes, Then it looked terrible because you tried to put it in the contract. And then you're like fine, fine, don't even study, but here's all the money. He's injured
and speed is part of what makes him great. And you know, now you're gonna bring in someone who's like, hey, Kyler, man, we don't like your act at all, and you either get with it or that might not be the best thing organizationally either. I think the Cardinals have to treat Kyler unfortunately for them, the way the Broncos have to treat Russell right now. Make it work in the short term. And if you're Sean Payton, you have the credibility to
get Russell to buy in. If you are Brian Flores and Kyler's not Russell either, I think that that scares me a little bit. And again I'm not saying Brian Flores is a really good head coach. Hope he gets another job. They'll deserve it. That particular one scares me a little. So one of the things that is a reality and I've pushed against, and maybe because I haven't been offered this level of money, but sometimes you just
get offered money you can't say no to. And I you know, we've seen coaches take jobs, and I've seen actors do movies. I'm like this is absurd. What are you? And then you see the you see the price tag and you're like, Okay, I get it, I understand it. Um so I believe that what the Broncos page Sean Payton,
and this is why Harbaugh came in again. I think I think Sean liked working in television and new next year, you've got two great college quarterbacks who are both guys that can start I think in the end, and it won't come out maybe for a while. Could this just
have been you know, twenty five million a year. I'll figure it out, right, I mean that, you know there's always a number for sure, and um yeah, I mean I don't know exactly how it played out again because we saw we saw the public phase part of it, and the owners, the new owners were looking like amateurs. They have some It's a it's a less attractive job in some ways, along with the fact that it gets even less attractive if you have to give up a one and a two when you're already strapped to hire
this specific person. What is their strength that they could offer. We are so rich that when you hear the numbers like that, what we hear is, yeah, I'll take fries with that go back to my Burger analogy. I mean, it's just not the way that you know, a norrable human would think of it. Now, we saw Temper do that in North Carolina, and you know that ruffled the
feathers of the billionaires club, he was joining whatever. But I think the problem is that he did it with Matt Rule, who it turned out, was not a you know, a guy who could come into the NFL, snap his fingers and make an awesome But Sean Payton's as close to that as what we have right He's as close to you could put him in an NFL context and have a very strong belief that he's going to succeed. So, you know, the Bay Area, you cover the Niners. So
I said, there's a tipping point for everybody. You can be a patient person in your life, but snap eventually if you're pushed too far. You can be a giving person and then feel at some point you're being taken advantage of and ask for something. I believe there was a moment in the third quarter when or whenever it was that Josh Johnson got hurt pretty with second quarter first driving the quarter, okay, and I thought to myself, wait a minute, because I always thought Brady to the
Niners was a bridge too far. His kids were in Miami. Yeah, and I thought Shanahan sitting there thinking Treilanswert, Garoppolo, hurt, pretty, hurt, Josh Johnson, I'm snapping the ball to a running back. And I could see Kyle thinking, I love the pretty story. Can you give me somebody at sixty four that doesn't get hurt? Can you just get me? And here's the thing, Mike, as you know, Trent Williams mid thirties, Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, an old twenty seven. This defense is young, this offense
is not. And I if Kittle retired after next year, nobody would be surprised. I sat and thought to myself, I know they love pretty, but Sean sittinger thinking, can you just get me a seventeen game starter? It makes me think Brady's a possibility. Now. Well, here's the thing. On Sunday morning, he wasn't. And I had reported this, but you know, I referenced the great Oakland poet Todd, who most people know us too short. It was all good just a week ago because I had written it's over.
We've talked about Brady. They you know that we've talked about all sorts of scenarios. It's over. Purdy has shown Kyle that, yeah, he's the guy. Trey Lance might stay as in a nominal competition, but he'll lose it. They'll try and develop him. They'd listen to trades. I don't think the trade value be high. Jimmy's gonna go get paid somewhere else. But that's what that's it. And Brady's
not coming. But and here's why that was the plan unequivocally because it was a it was a unique situation, and that you have a guy on a rookie deal, not just a rookie deal, the lowest rookie deal nine hundred thousand next year as the two hundred and sixty second pick. You're not even eligible to renegotiate with Purdy and pay him more till after twenty twenty four. So you have two seasons where you pay. And if you're backups Trey Lance, he's on a rookie deal, maybe you
get a veteran. But like, you have so much relative cap power that you can pay Nick Bosa what you're gonna do. You paid George Kittle You've paid Fred Warner, you paid Trey Greenlaw, you paid tre Various Word, You're gonna pay Hafanga eventually. You know, Eric Armstead got paid, Trent Williams has paid Christian McCaffrey, and you're like, yeah, and we're gonna go get some more guys. It's such a unique position, and Purdy had shown Kyle so much
by Kyle standards that it's a rap done. The only thing that could have changed it is not like, oh, perty broke his ankle. He'll be ready in you know, August, because you know he'll be okay. Here he tore the older collateral ligament. It Tommy John surgery is on the table, so you don't know if it's six months or a year. You don't know if after six months or a year he slicking it the same way. And you have this team, as you said that Hal you shick George Kittle, Trent Williams,
Pressian McCaffrey by running back standards. You are not young and the window is right now. So now you can't think that way, even if you still think Brock Purdy's your future best case, which they probably do, but you've got to go oh Man and by the way, I have scar tissue on this. As a young beat writer, I covered Joe Montana in nineteen ninety one. His elbow felt later to trading camp. It was an older nerve. I believe they did surgery. He missed an entire season.
Steve Young came in won the passing title. The next year they were competing in camp, which I think it was a real competition. Montana hurt the elbow again. Something wasn't right. They had another surgery. He came back to the second half of the regular season finale when they'd already clutched everything. Steve Young was the about to be
the MVP. I think back then he'd already been named MVP at Joe bata I came up the bed for the second half of the cattle Stick Park acted like, you know, the Messiah had returned, which he was there, and you know, they weren't like booing the MVP, but they were like, sweet, the MVP's out. And then Joe was Steve's backup by the way in that epic in nineteen ninety two championship game, and then he got traded. So I think it'll be okay. But and Ben Roethlisberger
kind of came back from an elbow thing. But I'm not one of those people who's like, oh, cool, six months, he's gonna be just fine. I hope so. And I don't think Ben. I don't think Ben a bigger, stronger body. I don't think he was ever quite the same like I don't, and you know, and Tommy John really wasn't quite the same by the way, the man the surgery
is named after. I mean, it's gotten better in baseball, but you know, you so and party wasn't exactly you know, Josh Allen arm strength wise, he's fine but so okay. So now here we are. So now what's going on right now? They're having these discussions internally because it's all gonna play out, and these are the discussions. Brady, Well, he's forty six, even though he doesn't really get injured except for the one ACL, he's forty six. If you signed him as you're all in plan at a forty
six year old gets hurt, shave by you. On the other hand, it's Tom Brady. He works really well in this way. If you still want to keep the purty window alive and try and hope for the best, you can tell Tom one year, make it cap friendly. Tom will take a cap friendly deal to the relative, and so that makes sense. The other thing you're thinking about very hard is Aaron Rodgers, and you're like, Okay, we
tried everything to trade for him two years ago. Even after making the trade that they for the pick that they used to take trade lads up to the draft that night, they were trying to convince the Packers to talk to them. He's older, thirty eight, can be thirty nine, or maybe I might I might be off. No, I think you're right. You're right. Yeah, And you know, not everyone plays at a high level till they're forty five.
That's freakish. Only one person does that. But you could presume the way you know the cap charge for Rogers with that option pick up, you're gonna hold a lot of guarantee, buddy, But the cap charge would only be thirty one something million for twenty three. But you're not doing that as a one year thing. You're if you do Rogers, you're like two three years for sure. And you know and and that and both Brady and Rodgers, especially Rogers, change your cap calculus now. Yeah, you signed posts,
of course, and spread it out. But you're making some harder decisions, you know, all right? Final topic, Danny Ainge made a career Boston and now Utah Jazz finding desperate people, the KG to the Brooklyn deal, the Rudy Gobert, the t Wolves deal, which got like nine different pieces. Belichick in his prime made a lot of deals with the Browns and the poorly run Bills and Dolphins who are
poorly run anymore? Right? Is that, like they always say, the best hitters in baseball get a majority of their hits up to three and four starters, not the aces, right, And so I don't know if Aaron Rodgers is a great fit with the Jets, but well run organizations have a history of finding desperate trading partners. And I look at the very stable Packers with Aaron Rodgers. Robert Sale's
got to win, Joe Douglas gotta win. The owners have a history of reaching and I look at that and I think Nathaniel Hackett needs to rebuild his reputation with the guy who helped him get the I that's where Aaron to the Jets, a stable organization that's ready to move off. I can ship him over there. It does feel like you could get the I mean, listen, they've got some good young players for the Jets. They need
the left tackle in a quarterback. I can see him saying here's a one to two and a one and green Bay going that's where that one feels kind of possible. And I could I could see all that, and I could see Aaron going, uh, like the Niners. So I'm sorry that you won't be getting the one two in a one, but I will retire if you do not
stupid trade. But if you trade me to the Niners for hold on, let me text John Lynch a three and a conditional two if I you know whatever, I will make the money right and you'll be able to move on rebuild. But yeah, I know you're right. So that's what That's what's always fascinating. You know, fans understandably live in this fantasy football like reality where it's like, why can't we just do that? We'll trade this for this, or you know it's like Derek Carr, well, they you
know they're not going to send them there? Why why would they cut them? And we always forget that, you know, the muddy and the cap and the players other leverage points like I don't like you or I don't want to play for you, especially when they're old enough to walk away. You know, those are going to factor into and as you know, calling these conversations are all going on unofficially. You know, there's players are figuring out their markets,
teams are figuring out what's possible. Agents and coaches and general managers and players are all having conversations that will coalesce at the combine, if not before, when everyone's in person and drinking, and there'll be media people involved as well, not not too many of us, A lot of people who act like they will, but a few of us will actually be in those rooms, and you know we might be drinking too. Yeah. So I just think it's something.
You know, I don't think Aaron wants to retire, but when you start talking about it, you're at least considering it. I do think Aaron wants to take that last one hundred million, and he's still really, really good. I know he still is. I contend that Titans make sense because he's never had a consistent great defense and a great consistent run game, and he'd have both in a wonky division. Do you buy the Titans and Aaron at all. I think he liked I think Vrabel's his kind of guy
in a way. Yeah, I could see that one go it either way. I mean, look like, you know, if Aaron Rodgers plays like he did in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty, man Bill Belichick would be like, hey, you know that you know that podcast you do every week with Pat McAfee where you just say whatever you want and put a lot of pressure on the organization. Yeah, you know, it's okay, I just keep doing it because
you're so good. But if you're playing like Aaron Rodgers of twenty twenty two, Big Mike Vrabel and a lot of other coaches would be like yo yo yo, like not like what he says on a podcast is that big a deal? Just a just an example. But I think you know Aaron is Aaron's gonna be high maintenance. Tom in many ways is gonna be high maintenance. And I think again, people with strong senses of self attract
each other. So you would say on paper, with Kyle Shanahan, who wants everything to be done his way and Tom Brady, who likes a lot of control at the line, or Aaron Rodgers, who likes full control at the line possibly be able to coexist. They're philosophically so unaligned in terms of how they view the way the offense should conduct itself. I feel like Kyle Shanahan gets in a room with one of those guys that they're both like, dude, I
you are so amazing to play quarterback. Dude. I love the way you call a game, like, we'll figure it out and it sometimes that ends up being hard and sometimes it doesn't. But I think people with a lot of faith in their own abilities are more likely to embrace challenges that other people would go, oh, that's too much, and they're more likely to want to do it together because they you know, they view themselves as rare and they're attractive. Yeah, yeah, all right, Mike Silver Open Mike
at the volume. A lot of stuff today, Sean Payton to the Broncos. I will say this years ago, Tony Romo, I heard this story about Tony Romo and Jerry Jones, like twenty years ago or whenever it was fifteen years ago that they were negotiating, and Tony Romo said, listen, I'm gonna make you overpay for me, because then I know you're committed to me, and I think I think
that was Sean Payton's one of his really strong hands. Yeah, we're going to reset the market because people as rich as you, I'm a rounding error if I don't work, Yeah, if so, I want it to sting. If you got to write one hundred twenty five million dollars check, yeah,
at least your accountant will call and go reconsider. So well yeah, well, I mean that's why jed to his credit after Harbaugh has gone, then Tom Seula one and done, Chip Kelly won and done when he finally settled, like Kyle was like, I'm giving him an Lynch six year deals, you know, which is way high for first timers, because I'm just making a statement to them, meant to everyone,
We're done with this one and done thing. By the way, Jerry, here's the brilliance of Jerry Jones, or some people would say it's not brilliant. I thought it was after TiO came to the Cowboys and the infamous push up or you know, sitting up the next question and all that. But that dispute in Philly was a you're not paying
me what I'm worth, you know. That's what fueled t o's you know, drama, and Jerry Jones is like, I'm gonna get his money right, and I'm gonna get the best out of this guy, and I'm gonna show him that his buddy's right, and you know, in essence, all overpay because I I think his psyche will change so much, this particular guy, you know. And Jerry overpaid for the stadium because he was trying to make a statement to
the world. He thought the stadium would become an event, did it of itself, and if it sounded even more expensive, that was a win, you know, and practice facility too, so you know, and those of us who don't have billions to make statements with, you know, can only theorize about these things. But I do agree with you. I think you show Sean something and you know you're you're betting on a guy who thinks that he's one of the few people, if not the old only person who
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