Colin Cowherd Podcast - Sean Payton/Rams Fit, Belichick Cornered + Joe Burrow on Damar Hamlin Impact, Ravens Wild Card Matchup

In about ten to twelve minutes. I got three things I want to talk about as we begin. I've always had this belief. I've told a lot of young broadcasters this, or people in the industry. There's a sea of money chase management. There's very little great management. When you find them, latch onto them and follow them, you'll make money. Don't chase money. It's bad karma. And I also I look

at the NFL selfishly. Adding more playoff games is good for my professional career, all right, more big games to talk about. But I don't think it was done for any other reason than greed. Nobody demanded a seventeenth regular season game. Nobody demanded a seventh playoff team in the AFC and NFC, and look at the two games we have now. Seattle in the old format would not be a playoff team and shouldn't be. They haven't played well for a month and a half. They play the Niners.

San Francisco is now being asked to beat Seattle for a third straight time. That's hard. That is hard. So if the Niners, the most popular NFL franchise easily Denver West, get knocked off because they can't beat the team three times, Niners should have a bye. In the old format, Niners would have a bye, They'd get rested, and Seattle wouldn't be a playoff team. What if San Francisco gets Christian McCaffrey gets knocked out for the playoffs or left tackle

Trent Williams, who's had trouble with injuries. Anytime you do something for greed at backfires go to the AFC. Buffalo should have a bye, they would in the old format. Instead, they have to face Miami for a third time. Miami hasn't played like Seattle well in five six weeks. Shouldn't be a playoff team. So Seattle in Miami in the old format a couple of years ago, are sitting home watching on TV. They don't feel like playoff teams. And I'm from the Pacific Northwest and I predicted Miami would

be a playoff team. But you know, I just have this bad vibe. What if Josh Allen gets knocked out for the playoffs sin ankles out? Is that good for the NFL. Anytime you do something for money, it always comes back to bite you in the butt. And I love the NFL, but I think it's unfair to the Niners and unfair to the Bills, especially the Niners. They've already hammered Seattle twice. They got to do it again.

Really so reports now that Harball leading candidate for the new owners the Walmart family, for the Denver Broncos job. Multiple people I trust say, if he's offered it twenty million a year, he'll take it. Wish he would stay at Michigan, which he would continue to be connected to college football, But at twenty million, Michigan a couple of years ago asked him to take a pay cut. I get it, He'll move to the NFL. And I do

think he's uniquely built for the kind of football. Denver needs to play with that current roster to beat him Mahomes and beat a Herbert Bullyball, build an old line, ask like he did Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Andrew Luck, ask a quarterback Russell Wilson to run a little bit. It's really built for Harboss style of football. Sean Payton's interesting though the Rams moved to LA. They're not that popular.

They're not really an established brand in Los Angeles. They win the Super Bowl and this year they fall apart. So we knew they were very, very thin because they pay Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald and Matt Stafford and Jalen Ramsey a lot of top of the market contracts, so they're thin, and those teams are always vulnerable when they face lots of injuries, which the Rams did on their own line. It was a mess. But Sean Payton, if Sean McVay bolts is so perfect for this job. Now.

I know Sean pretty well. I've talked to him eight ten different times on my show on FS one, and I've talked to him, gone to dinner with him. I'm not going to speak for Sean, but I can tell you ownership and quarterback talent are the two things he worries about. Stan Cronky is aggressive and doesn't medal and writes big che x, perfect for Sean Payton's personality. Matt Stafford smart, aggressive, big arm veteran, perfect for what Sean

Payton wants. A smart guy that can make big throws, has played in big games, doesn't have to babysit him socially or emotionally, just a guy who can sling it. And McVeagh is so profoundly culturally significant to the Rams. If Sean leaves, then you got to hire the other Sean. You got to bring in a big resume and a big ring, and a big trophy and a big point of view. So Sean Payton to the Rams. That's about as good as you can do. A lot of people talked about the Chargers job, but I always look at

that job the Spanos family. Dean Spano's being sued by his daughter, He's got his sons in the front office. I don't know. That just doesn't quite feel as ideal as Sean Payton would want it. Sean Payton had Gail Benson, writes big checks, stays out of the way. That's Stan Cronky aggressive writes big checks, doesn't get in the way. The Rams are also really aggressive. Sean Payton, if I know anything about him, He's aggressive if he wants something,

if he sees something, he wants to attack something. I think the DNA match between the Rams cronky less sneed the culture of the organization, and Sean Payton feels to me as perfect to fit as Sean would find. I think Sean would be frustrated with Russell Wilson. They're different people. I think Russell's limited as a pocket quarterbacks. That's what Sean wants. He liked Breeze, he likes Stafford sit in the pocket, throw dark, I'll drop the plays. I'll be

the creative deliver. That's what Drew Brees was. That's what Matt Stafford is. So I was talking to somebody I met the other day in regards to timing, and they were talking about the podcast industry, and we were actually talking about the subscription service called The Athletic and how it sold to The New York Times for four hundred

and fifty five hundred million dollars. And this person was saying, because of the erosion of the stock market, Dow Jones is down several thousand, and because you know the world's always changing with so many new platforms, is that it may not sell for that today, not even close to that, but it did. Then there's a moment in time for

everything to sell in the media. That's what this person who has a lot of experience we talked about, is that sometimes something that sells won't sell in six months. You've got a hit on the time. And I thought, that's what's fascinating about the New England Patriots. This was the year to get into the playoffs. The Jets were a shit show at quarterback and Tuah couldn't stay healthy. Okay, if Miami goes out and gets Derek Carr and the Jets get Garoppolo, Matt Jones is the fourth best quarterback

in your division. You don't get to the playoffs with a fourth best quarterback in your division. I don't see an easy way out for New England. I mean Tua probably inside the Dolphins executive suite they've made a decision to move on. He's simply college and pro can't stay healthy. Not his fault, his reality. And the Jets are obviously going to the market. They need a left tackle and a quarterback. They have talent running back, corner, defensive line weapons.

They got good players, and New England doesn't have a single receiver that separates. Davante Parker doesn't separate, Jacoby Myers doesn't separate. They're really average O line wide receiver, tight end. It's not a highly abundant wide receiver group in the first round. Maybe by the second. But Jordan Addison maybe is a first round wide receiver. Zay Jones maybe is. There's not four or five this year like there have been in previous years. I don't know the way out.

That's what's fascinating. This was the year and they wasted it by connecting Joe Judge and Matt Patricia to the offense. Go back and look at mac jones rookie stats. They're pretty remarkable. They're really solid B plus stuff, and he regressed. So the timing go back to timing. This was the year to get some momentum. If Mac Jones played well, you have a greater chance to go into the free agent market and convince a DeAndre Hopkins, who reportedly Arizona

is going to move convince a DeAndre Hopkins. Hey, I had a great rookie year followed by a great second year, come to New England and be the star. Well, he looks at it now, d Hop would look at New England and go oh, I wouldn't want to be part of that. That offends a mess. So I don't know the easy way out. And I thought it was absolutely something that Bill Belichick, when asked about the season, immediately said, I'm returning for twenty twenty four. That's not your call,

that's the owner's call. The fact that Belichick put it out publicly, I'll be back next year, Andy Reid doesn't say that. It's the owner's call. That's never the coach's call. In the NFL or the NBA. I'll be back Steve Kerr's back if Joe Lacob, who owns the Warriors, wants it back, and that's Steve Kerr. Belichick knows he's kind of cornered here. The staff isn't great, doesn't have an offensive coordinator, doesn't have a tide end or or receiver

that separates. Didn't you think it was something that Belichick's first opinion was, I'll be back, basically cornering Bob Kraft. Bob Kraft now is on the defensive Oh wait, Belichick's coming back bill didn't leave it open for a meeting or a discussion or an argument or a tug of war over his future. I thought it was something. So college football has a new national champion, but it's the same old national champion from the same old conference, Georgia,

back to back titles SEC kings. So I know a lot of people are selling this fairy tale that in twenty twenty four, when the twelve team playoff arrives, it will create opportunities and parody for the little guy. Oh nonsense. Listen, if you look at certain things throughout the course of time, take the oscars. Hollywood used to be like five films nominated Picture of the Year. I'd watch all of them. If there were six, I would watch five or six.

Now it's eight to ten. Oh, it creates more opportunities. No, it doesn't, because there's not ten great films a year. There's about four. It just dilutes the oscars, which have never had lower ratings, never had less interest. You diluted. There are movies now they get nominated for Best Picture, and they weren't the best picture in the last week. They weren't the best picture in the month they were released. There's just a lot of average. Now it's the same

thing with a twelve team playoff. I'm four it because it's more big games, and I think college football has a big game problem. But college football football in general is a depth sport. It's not just that Georgia has great starters, but it's that they have two and three NFL bodies at corner, two and three bodies at linebacker. It's their depth of talent. USC has got some really good frontline starters. That guy gets hurt, they don't have

anybody behind them. That's the difference between national championship contenders and good teams, right, And so in a playoff, you're going to ask the little engine that could Cincinnati, Boise State TCU. You think it's going to be easier for them to have to face a Georgia followed by an LSU, followed by a USC followed by an Oregon. That's easier. No, The easiest is, hey, can you catch somebody after a month off by surprise Michigan and beat him and then

have a chance to play for the national title? Watch what happens. Just like the oscars, You're going to open it up to more people. It's gonna dilute it. You're gonna have more blowouts. You're gonna have at least four SEC teams getting into the top twelve. This is why I argued Alabama should have been in. Everybody was outraged. You wake up this morning. The three best teams I watched in college football Georgia, Bama, and a coin flip,

Ohio State Michigan. I thought Ohio State outplayed Georgia. I'm not sure Michigan matched up as well as Ohio State did. But you know, just like the oscars, oh, let's give more people an opportunity to present average material. Twelve team playoff. You do get by the ninth, eighth, ninth, tenth team, there'll be some three lost teams in. They'll all be two lost teams. You'll have three loss teams against Georgia.

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I remember that second half against Dallas and I said, I saw it. They're gonna be fine. Um. I mean you let's take the regular season. Take a deep breath. Um, when did you because you you want a lot of games in a row. Now, was there a a one or a two game or one or two half moment for you, Joe that you said, Okay, boom, we're clicking. We're all good this this is a good team. Not really, you know, we we had moments of that early in the year, and it really just came down to being

more consistent as a team and as an offense. You know, I wouldn't say there was one or two games that you point tune do like that's that's the turning point. It's just kind of progression of the season. You get better throughout the season, you have more practice time together, you have more reps accumulated, and you just get better as the season goes. I'm not a huge fan of playing a team a third time, So why I'm not a fan of you know, Miami Buffalo a third time,

Seattle San Francisco. I don't like it. I think it's hard. I mean, let's be honest, Buffalo is hard to beat once. Yeah, I mean, do you look at it and think, all right, they know my tendencies. How do you view it? Yeah, that's why division games are always harder because you've you play each other twice a year. You know how the other unit operates, you know the guys, you know the scheme,

they know what you're trying to do. You know what they're trying to do, so you you know, it's always harder in those division games, and that's why they're always so tight. Do you feel more responsibility? It's very easy for a team that just beat a team to be flat the next week. That's the history of the league. You beat a team, then you have to rally the guys and say, yes, we got to play with our

hair and fire. We can't beat them. Do you feel a little bit, Joe, like this is really where leadership comes in? Urgency? Go this is everything? No, because our guys know how hard of us to beat those guys last week, and they're going to be healthier, and we

know what happened earlier in the year. So you know, like I said, these division you got to take all these division games as seriously as possible because you we know a Baltimore ha on the defensive side of the football, and we know that they have on offensive side of the football. They're a really really good football team that you know, wins a lot of football games, and so

it's going to be a tough challenge for US. Brian Dable, Giants coach, who's got actually a lot of rings as an assistant or a coordinator, said, playoff experience is overrated. Now I look at you last year, you didn't have any and you went on the road I think two out of three weekends. Where is it a little overrated and where is their value in your experience? Yeah, that's that's tough to say, because really, once you get into the game, every game is the same, and I think

that's that's how you have to handle it. So I obviously, I would say the more reps you have accumulated of something, the better you're going to perform. But also, once you get in it's it's just another game. It doesn't feel on the field like a playoff game, do you no, You know, the fans are, it's a little more energetic in the crowd, and the atmosphere is always better, but you know, once you're out there on the field, you're blocking all that out. Anyway, when you look at this

season where you're at. I think situationally, you're a better quarterback than a year ago. That's what it feels like to me. I thought your first two years they were rare, but you'd have an occasional meltdown the game's fast. Did you do you sense like you can sense okay this this could be one of these moments. Do you in real time ever feel like, Man, a year ago I could have melted down there. No, I don't really feel

like that. I do feel like I've I've drastically improved my player this season from from last year, just in the totality, and so I'm I'm happy with that, but there's also a lot of room to improve as well. And so you know, I like where we're at as a team and as an offense and as defense, and honestly as as a locker room as well. We have one of the ties locker rooms I've ever been part of, and I really think that's ends up being the key

to winning. How concerned are you with your offensive line injuries? You know, we have guys that we really believe in that have played a lot of football, Guys like Max and Hakim that you know, I've stepped in these last couple of weeks. You know, Hakim was our starting right guard for the majority of the season last year, and Max played a lot of football in this league, and so we got we got faith in both of those

guys to go out and do their jobs. You know, when you're I could argue that your college team LSU is so sort of iconic Louisiana high school football in Ohio State, that your college programs were much more marquis than your NFL team. I think it's funny that you're considered the first or second best quarterback in this league by like people I respect, and yet Buffalo in Kansas City, I mean Phil led Delphia. It's like, in a weird way, it's a perfect spot in college at Ohio State. You're

a favorite every week. Yeah, LSU is a favorite. Your team just got to the super Bowl, and when I pick you number one, I have for five straight weeks. People are like, are you crazy? And I'm like, are you watching the games? You're like twelve and four? Do you feel sometimes even as good as you guys are, I mean, you're in a division with the Steelers and the Browns and the Ravens, these franchises are like Bedrock blue Blood. Do you do you still feel a little

bit like the new kid on the block. Uh, you know, maybe sometimes, but you don't. I don't really don't really think in those in those ways, you know. I'm we're so focused on the day to day of getting better and and interacting with each other and getting the work that we need to get done. It. Uh it honestly, we don't really talk about it too much. Your thoughts on home Field being decided by a coin flip? I know why, but it's I mean, I guess the NBA

lottery is a ping pong balls. I mean it's kind of odd, right, Yeah, you know, I wasn't you know. I understood it. I understood why they did it. I just wish that we would have been offered the same opportunity for a potential second round matchup for the Bills. That we didn't end up getting to play that game, you know, through no fault of our own, and it should have been canceled. We didn't want to play after that happened either, But you know, I think that we

just weren't afforded some opportunities that other people were. It tick you off? I wouldn't say it tick me off. We'll play well whatever with with whatever we're dealt. But it is what it is. When I go back to the Damar Hamlin moment, what really sticks out to me is the fear on the players faces. I said this on the air. I was skiing a year and a half ago, and apparently there was a crash and about forty to fifty yards from me, a helicopter flew in

and they performed CPR. I did not know the person. It was forty yards away. It freaked me out. I'm like, all right, that's a rap. I'm done skiing today. And that was somebody I didn't know. As I watched you guys watch that, I the composure you had. I mean, did Joe, you probably never seen anything like that? Did Was it totally unnerving? Yeah, it was a scary emotional moment. Witnessing somebody that plays the same game that you do.

You know, go through a crisis that is life threatening and you know, you really take a step back and look at what you do and who you do it with, and makes you appreciate that and at the same time reminds you that that's always possibility. Every Sunday and every every Monday and every Saturday that you walk out there. So I think a lot of discussions were had throughout the league privately, you know, with loved ones. I know I had, I had some that you know, that moment

is scary. It can happen, and you know you try to try to limit it, but there's not a lot you can do. It's a normal football player. That happens just about every play of every single game, which is what's so scary about it. One of the things I said the other day is that I think the five best quarterbacks in the league. I use this term the five guys I wouldn't take a phone call on if I was a general manager. You Alan Mahomes, Herbert and

Trevor Lawrence. I love Brady and Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford, but they're older. I'd take a phone call if I had to. I'm not going to take a phone call on you five. To watch you and Josh Allen. It was really it was pretty you know, I'm I'm in my late fifties, Joe. I love Josh Allen so much. I love everything you young guys are about. There was a real a moment between you two and here he looks like Superman. He's he's bigger than defensive ends. He

looks like Superman. He was incredibly vulnerable. Do you remember that moment when you're right next to him. Yeah, that was that was tough. You know, me and Josh are friends and and I've known each other for a couple of years now, and you know, it was just kind of a moment of unity between you know, not just two teams, but football players, and you know, we know what each individual person means to everyone else in a locker room, and to see people going through that was

you know, it was tough. And you know, everyone in our locker room took a step back and said it could have been any one of us in that exact same situation, and so that's why it really hit everybody so hard. I thought the Cincinnati crowd was amazing. I thought nobody left utter silence. I've never seen anything like it. Even the anthem, there's always a guy in the third deck drunk, screaming the whole thing. Joe, from the players to the coaches to the fans. I've been doing this

thirty years. I was so blown away. But the Cincinnati fans like in an instant, our guy needs help, they're a guy needs help. Did you notice any of that or were you were you really fixated on Damar? You realize that once you take a step back, you know, maybe a day or two later, and you know, really

reflect on the situation. It made me very proud to live in the community one, be a part of the organization to play for Zach three just with and also very proud of the medical staff and trainers, doctors you know we got unfortunately got to watch them operate and you know, they were lights out. So it just made me proud to be a part of what we have going on here. Yeah, aren't medical people amazing? Aren't they amazing? Yeah?

We had I mean you just those kind of moments, you know, you find out what people are made of, and the people that were out there on that field are badasses. You could probably make an argument, Joe that you'll never look You'll never come into a stadium and see those medical people the same like to you, do you almost view them like like like before they're part of the ensemble, they're like heroes now, like do you almost look at them differently when you enter a stadium? Yeah,

I do. You know, I walked into the training room, the training room the next day, and I did look at everybody in that room a little differently. You know, I really appreciate those guys and girls. I want you to go back. Um, I'm going to ask you a series of questions about the year. So I'm gonna say your favorite Joe Burrow game of the year, not talking statistically, but a game you came off the field and you were just high. It's like, wow, that felt great at

Pittsburgh coming off of the bye. You know, we needed a big win, and you know, we played really well on offense that whole game. It was cold, it was windy. You know, a lot of adversity in those in those AFC North games, and like the Pittsburgh defense does, they made plays against us as well. They made it really hard. But we, you know, we we played really well that game.

Was there a play this year or a throw? It doesn't even have to be a touchdown, but there was a play, and you thought, I don't want to be humble. That's pretty good. That's pretty good, Trout. I was pretty proud of my touchdown thow to Jamar against the Browns. The second time around a little glance route in the red zone. Well, we mean glance route just a little a little seven step post, a little seven step post. Yeah, and it was Denzel on him? Who was on him? Yeah?

It was Denzel Denzels in my opinion, one of the best two corners in the league, by the way, Sauce Gardener the other one. He's up there, Patrick's her Tan's good. Yeah, I think he's I think he's the best. Yeah, you faced him in college. Yeah, he's tough. Yeah. Um, who is the best team you played when you felt like you This is a go either way, because your your last three months you were pretty impenetrable. Best team you played. You know, it's tough because every game is so unique.

You know, every game can go in so many different ways. We played a lot of tough teams this year, and each one presents its own unique challenge, which you know, it's there's a lot of good teams and each one presents its own challenge. So it's hard to say, give me a moment this year that you did something that you wouldn't have been able to do two years ago. You know, there are a couple of throws in the new England game that I wouldn't have been able to

make a couple of years ago. Just no, my mechanics and my flow work have improved so much in the pocket that you know, I was able to make some of those throws just in the cold in New England. Those throws are tough, and so I was part of those. You know, whenever I criticize an athlete, I always think he's sitting next to me. So I try to be fair, and sometimes I'll talk about arm strength, and I think,

what if the quarterbacks talked about my voice strength? Coward's voice it's like top six, it's not it's not elite. And the other day I was saying, yeah, I like Joe Burrow's arm. I mean, it's not Mahomes. And then I thought a lot if Joe was sitting there, he'd probably like this pretty good arm. You ever think, because everybody always talks about your accuracy and you're intellect and you're tough, do you ever think, hey, I got a

good arm here people, hello, good arm? Yeah. I think I could make a lot of throws that people wouldn't expect of me. But my arm strength isn't on the level of Patrick and Josh. Those guys are on another level as far as that goes. Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like Josh with you. Yeah that was poor White. I can't. I didn't. I didn't get to see him much in college. I saw him play twice. I saw him jump over a linebacker and I was like, yeah, that looks good. I don't see a lot of that.

He's still doing that, by the way. Um so here you go. It's Baltimore. I would guess they know your tendencies. You know, there's will Zach give you a little more freedom because you faced them so many times? Now? Will Zach give you a little more freedom of choice maybe in a big spot in this game. Is that how it works or not? No? You know I have I have that freedom every play of every game. So if I if I see something out there, I can I can go out there and do what we need to

do to feel like we got to execute. So you know, you don't really change that game to game. Do you look back at last year, this improbable run, and I think you're a better team. That's how I feel. I just feel like everything's a little tighter. Your O line is a little tighter. Beyond winning games. If you could say, hey, guys, here's the one thing I wouldn't do that I did last year, even though you were a player from winning the super Bowl. It could be prep, it could be travel.

Is there a gem you take from the experience last year into this year? You know, I think I think it's tough to pinpoint one. Um. You know, we know what it takes to get to the super Bowl. As far as body maintenance, you know, it's it's a really

long season. Last year was my first full season, and you know, we played as far as we could, and so I really learned how to manage my body through those you know, last five or six weeks when your body's breaking down and you got to find a way to maintain your strength to to compete those last five weeks. And so I think that would probably be number one on the list. Did you lift today? Yeah? Yeah? How long do you lift? About? An hour? Oh? By yourself? Trainer,

teammate with our with our strength coach Joey just with you. Yeah. Wow. Everybody backs bench dead lists. Everybody kind of has their own routine in there, and so you know, we have what I love about our coaches, they give us a lot of freedom to you know, go about our routines. And as long as you get your work in, you get your work in. And so there's always guys in the way room getting their stuff done, going through their maintenance on their body to rehab. And we have we

have mature guys like that. You feel good today, physically great today. There you go, Joe, it's great talking again. Many appreciate it. See you, guys, You're beat. The Volume. Make sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into the Volume because one of the more entertaining voices in sports. Unique perspective understands behind the rope. Also chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine,

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