Colin Cowherd Podcast - Rodgers vs. Payton, Matt Mosley on Zach Martin Holdout, Super Bowl Expectations, Dak Bounce Back

start that. So, you know, one of the things that I think is important to realize when I talk to young people high school or college, and I don't do it very often, maybe two or three times a year. I'll talk to a broadcasting class. The one thing I always say is don't produce your shh through social media. It's a funhouse mirror. It's not really life. So you know, a prime example of that the movie Barbie. I have not seen it. I'm gonna probably see Oppenheimer and Barbie

this week. It's summer, it's slow, it's late July, early August. I got nothing but time to kill. It's that or a Twins Guardians game all lot for the movie. But if you go to social media, you would think Barbie is controversial, highly political, very difficult the stomach if you're a moderate or you lean right. I now have officially nine people either in my family or who work at the volume nine for nine loved it. I have no idea about their political affiliation. I have no idea. I

don't ask my kids. Barbie's a really good movie, great acting, funny, everybody had the same take. Clever, funny, makes you think, good laughs. I mean, it's not Hangover in terms of sheer comedic value. Nobody presented like that or Animal House. It's a broad movie with a lot of different views and ideas, and it'll make you think. But if you go to social media you think it's highly controversial. Virtually nobody dislikes it, and the people who do go online

and get clicks. And that's something I try to tell people all the time that nobody is really outraged that Twitter is now called X. Nobody absolutely nobody really cares. Nobody thinks Barbie is highly controversial. Accept people seeking attention on social media. So you enjoy your social media apps, you enjoy Barbie. Don't think for a second you're walking into a trap that will politically shift your views. It's a movie, and a lot of people are pink when

they go that's it second thought. So Sean Payton fires at Nathaniel Hackett. Day later, regrets saying it and apologizes. Aaron Rodgers, talking to Peter Schrager, fires back at Sean Payton, calls him insecure and should keep his favorite coach's name out of his mouth. This is good, old fashioned nineteen eighty five media, before everybody was terrified to be canceled and criticized, and the avalanche that follows this happened all

the time. People are outspoken. Buddy Ryan would rip Mike Ditka, Buddy Ryan would rip Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson would rip Buddy Ryan, and it was wildly entertaining. But there's so much money in sports now. Everybody's afraid to lose their position, their job, their tenure, their gig. Sean Payton was in one of those moods, an intense guy said something he regretted. The day later, Aaron Rodgers defended his coach. I loved both Peyton's willingness to offend and Aaron Rodgers' tenacity on

defending Nathaniel Hackett. I think Hackett from what I've been told many of my contemporaries, I've got a lot of sources in the league. Hackett's one of the nicest guys in the league. Good dad, good father, wonderful guy. Just doesn't have an edge. Didn't have a bite to him, and you kind of sort of have to have that. I mean, the five best head coaches in my lifetime, I think A Walsh and Belichick and Andy Reid and Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, they've all got an edge.

Bill Walsh had a bite, Andy Reid had a bite. We all know Belichick, Parcels and Jimmy Johnson had a bite. Hackett doesn't. He's a coordinator. He's a position coach. Nothing wrong with that at all. Kyle Shanahan was a great coordinator, began a great coach. Dan Quinn's a great coordinator. Try the coaching. Okay, probably gets a second chance. We don't

know if he's a great head coach. We know he's a great coordinator defensively with the Cowboys, with Atlanta, with Seattle, or with the Cowboys and Seattle before he got the Falcons. Gig so I like these little whizzing matches media scrums. I think they're healthy. I think they're fun. Nobody gets hurt, and the winner is you and me and the consumer. When we lose is when people are terrified to be

authentic and afraid to be honest. I've been doing radio for thirty years almost almost thirty years, twenty five years. I'm on the air live. Some things I say, uh don't come out right. Some things I say are a little harsh. Some things aren't as funny as I think. It's an imperfect world. You take some big swings. It's not edited. Not every time you ask a quarterback or a coach an opinion, it should be fully edited. I

don't want PR people around it. Peyton didn't have a PR person around him and Aaron Rodgers didn't have a PR person around him, and it was really really interesting raw content. Loved them both.

Everybody came you know, she had something to say to everybody, She knew who everybody was, and so it was pretty pretty awesome to watch and we're extremely fortunate.

Union addressed to start. You know, he's generally known for saying something off the wall in that setting, and he didn't even make an opening statement. I mean, we're all set, you know, we're set up to hear him talk before anybody ask a question for at least twenty minutes, and literally they just started the news conference and he said, okay, let's go, let's go some questions. What do y'all have? So there's always it's I think it's hard to have

a sense of urgency. There are better places to have a since an urgency than in Auxnard because of where we're used to being and how it feels and how much nicer it is and the surroundings and everything. But I mean McCarthy met with his player counsel the night before that State of the Union and got a vibe that, I mean, the team sort of has a little edge and they don't even have the pads on yet. Pads come on tomorrow, So to me, there was a little

more edginess from the team. To start a training camp, it's usually very laid back, not much going on, and I think they've since that, you know, a couple of twelve wins seasons, not being able to get by San Francisco, Like if they're ever going to do it, like it almost has to be this season.

paid quarterback. Is do you think that's a I don't think Jerry should budge, but do you think this could get ugly surly?

anybody to turn to in that regard. You heard in Jerry's voice was the fact that there's two years left on his contract. What's he talking about? And and to your point, Colin, he got his rookie contract, he's a first round pick, and then he got another contract, and so Jerry's kind of right, Like, I mean, everybody loves Zach and it's not like and the other thing is he's a veteran and he's so good and he's so good at staying prepared that I don't know any other position,

you know. And Zeke came in and was kind of ready to go at the last minute. This guy could be so I don't I don't sense any worry. And I think you know, you heard Dak say. Dak was quoted saying, hey, the man talking about Zach and Jerry was asked about that, and Jerry had a very funny answer, which was, well, we pay the quarterbacks all the money.

still there's still an aura about him. Now, he had faded some of his playing ability, so you're okay moving away from that, but yeah, there's still some there's still And that's what the call that Bill Belichick made was to Stephen Jones, and he just wanted to know kind of where Zeke was and ed and I had a chance to go one on one with Steven or two on one, and that was one of the things Stephen talked about, was just his how he went on and on about Zeke and what he could mean in one

of those running back rooms. So, I mean, it tells you all you need to know, though on how much he has left in the tank, on the fact that he's still out there. He's a workhorse, He's played through all sorts of injuries. I mean he's not I don't know if he's anywhere close to a lead back anymore. I mean, it's one of the few positions you can go from. Think about that last year the starter, even though Pollard took over, he was almost a symbolic starter.

This year, he can't even get a role on a team. He can't even get out there, right. But Belichick has had a way over the years of taking chances on certain veteran players that maybe have some deans on their character. This guy, he had some issues, obviously, he was suspended for several years ago. But in terms of like what the players think of him and the coaches other than maybe Dak there's no one who approaches Zeke in that regard.

little bit tougher schedule than normal. And here's my take is that Jets Week two, Patriots Week four, Niners Week five, Chargers Week six, Eagles Week seven, go back to Mike McCarthy. Do you feel like his teams Andy Reid teams come right out of the gate. Belichick's take a little banking, they take a little work with McCarthy. What is your sense in September since he arrived.

even FARV went to Minnesota. I said it's going to make an enormous change, and I thought Minnesota had a real shot Super Bowl and they ended up doing that. I have a really hard time just because Rogers in his past greatness, I just don't see that Jets game. I also think it's a chance McCarthy's a little embarrassed about what happened to him in Green Bay last year. There was a huge reunion that was his first time back.

They had a lead, they had like a fourteen or maybe seventeen point lead and they let it get away from him against a bad Green Bay team. And I think McCarty thinks he's got something on his hands here. I think he thinks he has like a I mean, we've had these twelve You've had these twelve win seasons. I mean, I think, and they're trying. Jerry's trying to hide it. He's trying to hide it the best he can. But I mean, I don't I heard what you just said.

And no one in the business remembers a schedule quite like you. I mean, the way you commit these seats to memory of often I just brag on you all the time about it. But I think I think we're talking. I mean, cowboys have a shot at fourteen wins.

think now they've had problems in the past. They've they've said, Okay, we want to turn this guy into some kind of matchup problem, and they always love running these end rounds or jet sweeps. Oh we're going to get this guy. Tim taevon Austin remember him, and it's like, oh my gosh, we're going to get him ten to fifteen touches a game. They couldn't get him three touches. So it remains to

be seen. But in space and think about some of these even other than Sprolls with it, Trek Cohen or somebody like that, there's been some of these little guys. Quentin Griffin years ago came out of Oklahoma. If they'll get him in among the trees, behind these bits of milnemen, they can kind of jump around and do some things. And so I think he's a I think he's a perfect compliment, and they're looking for every way in the

world to use him. In fact, they've got him as the punt protector, all right, So that's gonna be an odd thing when they snap it back there. You got a five to five man, and the Bones Fossil said he was going to be able to outleverage anybody. Now, you know, I don't want to see him just get in golf. I could see somebody running over him back there. But also, who loves to do fake punts more than anybody. It's this guy, Bones Fossil. So here's a here's a fake punt option. He is a total gadget guy, a

huge gadget guy. But what I Sprolls was about a half inch taller than this guy. But this but Deuce is thicker. I always thought Sprolls was like a strong, huge legs, almost like Robert Newhouse type legs. And this guy's thick and he and you're right, and they put those I've seen all the memes and everything. They put those little protective helmet things on. He looks like a

martian or something. But he is fast and he's like he was on Kansas State just one big twelve times, I mean, and he was an enormous part of that.

I mean, the stuff is printed, but a story softens three months, six months after, you know, a story Now it's about the Cowboys and about the Chargers. There's no animosity. Do we know exactly why Kellen Moore left? Was there a moment, an epiphany, a game, a series, or something that didn't work?

another job. Okay, we're not going to fire you right away. Just take some time, go find another job. And so they kind of allowed I would imagine the Chargers thing to kind of get settled and be ready because that thing happened too quickly for the Chargers just to have waited. Oh, I wonder if they're going to fire Kellen Moore. I would say within twenty four to forty eight hours after the Cowboys season ended, Kellen Moore was told hey, look around,

look around, and then he was brought over there. And I did think it was funny. By the way, Brian Schottenheimer is now has the title of the offensive coordinator. I mean, he was so different than Kellen Moore. I got to talk to Shotttheimer the other day. They had the big news conference for him, and then he did a one on one with Ed for our Doomsday podcast. After I had to kind of fly back for my grandmother's birthday and Schottenheimer it was like night and day.

Schottenheimer put on a show. I mean, just was in his element. Loved it. I mean, it was just it was like, Man, I'm here, nobody's talked to me in a while. I'm gonna give you, guys, one of the greatest press conferences you've ever seen. Kellen is not that guy, right, That's why people have a little trouble in envisioning him as a head coach. Now, if he does really well

with the Chargers, he's going to get a shot. But think of one of those boy wonders who just has kind of come across, at least publicly, is kind of like and there's not much there. I mean, you know, I don't know. I mean again, nobody cares. Mike Martz was a weirdo. I mean, he's just kind of That's how he kind of came across. But right when they were putting up huge numbers, nobody cared about that. And

maybe that'll be the way with Kellen. But he's certainly not somebody who's going to go in and win a press conference. I assure you.

as a play caller. Kellen's more amenable to listen to a young guy. But I think you're right. I've talked about this before. Not every coordinator is a great coach. Dan Quinn has been a great defensive coordinator twice he was an okay head coach. It's okay, you know, I'm just I think you know, there's a lot of hot seat talk with Mike McCarthy, and I look at that early schedule. I think I've always seen Jerry is a bit more patient. He'll give chan Gaily an extra six

games or a year. He gave Jason Garrett two more years than many thought. I've always looked at Jerry in terms of coaches as fairly patient. Am I wrong? No?

just kind of being up in front. And Mike doesn't really care about that now, much like Wade Phillips, Mike does have a little bit of thin skin, you know. And at some points I asked him about some of his play calling. He talked about looking at films back to two thousand, back when he was calling plays at New Orleans, you know, to go back and look at that. And I said, what'd you think? What'd you think when he went back and looked at yourself as a as

a play caller. And he kind of bristled a little bit, and he's like, whoop, he said, go look it up. I was the Assistant Coach of the Year that year, and I was like, okay, okay, I mean it was, and it was. He did it in kind of a joking way and we had a nice laugh about it. But yeah, he's he's kind of But that said, he doesn't mind all the Jerry stuff. Now what bugs him a little bit? Like we were a tint over while he was doing his news conference Saturday morning talking to Steven,

you know, like doing our interviews. I don't know if he could see that, but I do think from time to time Mike notices when those of us in the media are off talking to somebody else instead of him kind of life. That's not how he did in Green Bay.

a let's be competitive. They want credit for winning a bunch of division titles, but that's not what the team should be measured on, given its illustrious past. But it's been a long long time. It's been a long time since all that happened. And as I've often told you, if they even made it to the NFC Title Game, everybody, everybody would have ten year extensions. Like it's not everybody thinks a Super Bowl or bust. I don't think that's

the case, but I don't. I do think it's been so long since they've been nineteen ninety six, since they've been to an NFC title game, ninety five season, it's they can't it can't go on anymore, Like it's just it just it's year after year after year, and they think that they have this window right now, and they have a couple of stars on defense and Colin we've

talked about in the past. They've been kind of they've they've been bear at wide receiver, and they've entered these seasons and they just don't have enough firepower there with Brandon Cooks, Ceedee Lamb, a renewed gallop who's back to full health, and then Jalen Tolbert at least in the first four days of camp or I attended, putting on a show, they're they're jacked up at wide receiver, and obviously they think Pollard has more juice than certainly what

Zeke was showing. So anyway, I thought there was a lot of different ways. Also the Stephen on the on the rookies, there's some stuff I think folks might enjoy there.

But you know, they knock off the Jets early, they beat the Giants in the opener. It's a two and zero start. They're healthy. You start stockpilond wins. You get a couple of w's against the Commanders, you don't have to win all those bills Miami road games. You look up, you've got eleven wins. You don't have the buy, you know, but you're opening up in your first playoff game at home against Seattle. You know, that's a really winnable game.

I think take the Niners out that because of Rock Party, they don't pay any thing for quarterbacks, so they basically have a stacked nineteen eighty seven roster. I think Philadelphia and Dallas probably are somewhere fighting for the second best roster in the NFC. That's my take. Does that seem far fetched?

year with Justin Herbert, two years with Jalen Hurtz. The guy does wonders with young quarterbacks, right. So I'm fascinated by the coult situation. I do wonder if Jalen Hurst I think we both love him, but I do wonder if he takes a step back, just he goes from a plus to a minus, if he just takes a tad step back.

and that that's a McCarthy. McCarthy is now. It was fun to watch at camp because he was like like a little kid. He reverted back to being a quarterbacks coach, you know, back in the day, even before you know, when he was like back in the late nineteen nineties, he did not leave the side of the quarterbacks. And then when we I thought, I thought he was kidding.

At one point he said, well, are you still going to go to the defensive meetings and that kind of thing, and he said, no, No, Basically, that part of my coaching life for at least for now is over. I mean, it's all in. It's all offense. And this is getting back to where Jerry always said he was the most comfortable, which was having like a Jason Garrett, having the offensive

coach or the defensive coach do it all. He didn't like the walk around coach, and so I don't know why they had to wait this long to do it. But boy McCarthy, the way he's behaving on the field and all, it's it's like he's more of an offensive coordinator than a head coach, which is kind of interesting because the team kind of has two head coaches. And one of the reasons he can act like this now

is because Quinn. I mean, that's a pretty interesting thing, Colin, that Quinn has stayed around even when he had opportunities because the two of those guys, things could have gotten awkward. And Quinn is one of those rare guys who recognized what you brought up earlier, that Hey, I got all this talent, I'm getting paid huge money, I'm at this Marquee place. If I keep doing this, I'm going to keep getting opportunities. Why do I need to jump back in and be a head coach? Is it just for

ego or something? It is very rare when a coach actually realizes I might be better at this than that. Yeah, and Quinn sort of gets that. So it sets up a You've got a defensive head coach and an offensive head coach, which sounds like it could be awkward. The only time it could be awkward is they do have a great interim head coach right if things went south, right right now, it looks like it works pretty nice,

nicely for them. And I'm just saying, Mike, Mike's through going to any defensive meetings.

Smart needed to leave, Nick Saban. But I think dan Quinn, I think he is a star in his own right. So I think that I think you get that, you know, you get that occasionally. Demiko o' rians with Kyle Shanahan. Kyle gave him the defense. You be a star if you want to leave, leave, But that part about Dallas, I actually like, I like having a rockst I mean, I think Quinn's on a short list of one of

the three best coordinators in football. I don't think there's many now that Steichen is a head coach and Daveles a head coach. I think Dan Quinn's the top two to three coordinator in the NFL. That's never a bad thing to me.

is harder. It's not Waco, it's not Still Water, it's not Madison, Wisconsin. It's not Starksville, Mississippi. You know, out west, we got the mountains, we got the beaches, we got the lakes, we got pro sports. It's harder to get people on Saturday to jam into a college stadium. And frankly, the Big twelve passion is better than the Pac twelve passion, and I think Colorado realized.

he is a fascinating guy. And I learned more about more and more about him all the time, and I just I love kind of seeing a basketball guy who comes from entertainment try to like I mean, he's he's galvanized all these football people and he's even convinced him, hey we can, we can. We may be able to go find a whole nother revenue stream based off basketball. It's amazing. I mean, like some of the stuff he's

doing should have been thought about forever. Is like, hey, why don't you instead of just constantly on these media rights deals, go find some of these other streams, go find maybe get some basketball only money, build the greatest basketball conference you could ever have, and they're on their way to doing it.

worked up on. I don't want to to take the you know, attention away from your excellent cowboys stories today because you're very, very embedded and I thought you really brought your a game today considering you're in sweltering heat for the last two months.