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out and have some fun this weekend, baby. Download the game Time app today, last minute tickets, lowest prices, guarantee game time. All right, Hi, everybody's Steve Kahim, former NFLGM will join us in ten minutes. It's an achilles injury for Aaron Rodgers. Nothing is official, but likely out for the season. JK. Dobbins Achilles injury Ravens out for the season, which is just awful. It's bad for the Jets, it's bad for Aaron Rodgers. Older players generally struggle to recover
as quickly as younger players. Aaron's not what thirty nine years old. He's also got bags full of money. I mean, you know he'll work hard to rehab. But for younger players rehab, there's some optimism. You heal much more quickly he does. Older players. It's a longer process. See across your fingers on that. But it is likely he has
gone for the season. Let me tip my cap to New York Jets and Robert Solo, though, considering the emotion of the night nine to eleven in New York, Aaron Rodgers debut an incredibly special night in New York City in MetLife. For Aaron Rodgers to go down early, suck the wind out of the stadium, to insert Zach Wilson, who has struggled a semi bust to bust for the Jets, and to win that football game little hero ball. But Zach mostly played within his game, within structure. They ran
the football. I thought they managed the clock well at the end of regulation. It wasn't turning the ball over. I thought that was incredible coaching to lose not only a starting quarterback but Aaron Rodgers in a Jet debut that was pulled out of the stadium. And yet Sola's team was composed, they fought, They played within themselves. On offense, they ran the football, I thought pretty well. Tip of the cap. The offensive line is a work in progress.
They will have their hands completely full at Dallas next week. That game is gonna speed up very quickly. For Zach Wilson. That is not a game I think he'll flourish in. But you have to give the Jets credit and listen. The schedule's brutal. Zach Wilson at Dallas feels like an l Zach Wilson. Then at home, but it's Belichick who he struggled with. Then it's Kansas City. If they lose to the Jags in are zero and two, they'll come in a met life pissed. Then it's at Denver Philadelphia
bye week Giants feels good about. But then it's justin Herbert. Then it's at Vegas and Garoppolo at Buffalo Josh Allen. Then it's Miami, so a lot of high end quarterbacks where the Jets will have the secon best quarterback on
the field if Aaron Rodgers doesn't return. So you know, before I knew the outcome of Aaron Rodgers, before I did this, I'm thinking, listen, if they can get Aaron back in a month, that overtime win, because you go oh and two in the NFL, the Jets lost the night go oh and two, lose to Dallas, you have only eleven percent chance to make the playoffs owen three. It's less since nineteen ninety. So I thought the overtime win was substantial for the Jets, but it's I just don't.
I look at this roster and I just see too many good quarterbacks week after week after week. And I think you can have limitations defensively in this league and get to Super Bowls and get to conference championships. It's hard to have a lot of offensive limitations. Zach Wilson in the AFC is not close to a top ten quarterback. The offensive line, the tackle positions are a problem. Tight end is average. I think they're receiving Cord Garrett. Wilson's
a remarkable talent. What a catch he made, But overall it's it's a pretty lean group. You can't afford an injury. On the other side, I have real concerns about Buffalo. Josh Allen in college at Wyoming was a wild, talented pony, just needed to be coached. Goes to the NFL first year, out of control, talented, bit of a mess. Brian Dables sand papers him, becomes an MVP level player, cuts down
on turnovers, mechanics improve. So I watch him tonight and I see a quarterback who has regressed three picks, a fumble, not sliding, mechanics have regressed too much. Side arm crap, did not execute very well at the end of I thought regulation, poor clock awareness. He skipped a couple of passes in the game. Josh Allen looks like he needs coaching. If you don't think coaching matters, go look at Kyle Shanahan as a coordinator to Matt Ryan made him MVP.
All Right, you look around this league the best defensive coordinators. Dan Quinn in Dallas, you don't think he matters. That cowboy defense has said sational. So when I look at Buffalo right now, they're in a bit of a quandary. Miami is a sizzling offense. Belichick's defense is tough and Mac Jones is better than people subscribe to. The Jets
defense matches up very well with Buffalo's O line. Even Zach Wilson tonight, you know, late in the game, moves the ball well enough to get him in field goal range. Buffalo has a defensive coach. Ken Dorsey had a good reputation, but Josh Allen is back to wild. Mechanics are regressing. Decision making was poor. I just just I don't like what I see. Windows are small for Super Bowls. You know, you lose a coordinator, They shrink, you don't have a
second dependable receiver. They shrink you have a key injury, or lose a defensive player to free agency. They shrink. Von Miller's out shrink. So I don't like.
I don't like.
It's not just the game tonight. Because they now they face the Raiders, they'll be favored and I would take them, though, don't listen to me. I was zero for five in my blazing five. But I think they'll play very well against the Raiders. But I don't like what I see with Buffalo. I don't like the direction they're headed in. I thought the Jets were more composed getting a backup thrust into the starting role with arguably a worse offensive line. That's what I saw. I tip of the cap to
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The crown is yours. Steve Khin spent more than two decades with Arizona. Former player for the Dolphins, scout worked his way to GM for nine years is now joining us on the Colin Cowerd podcast. So a torn achilles for Aaron Rodgers, Oh no, wow, it's not good. So a torn achilles on is that out for the season? Generally?
Oh yeah, yeah, it he'll unless something happened where you know that it's still attached to some degree. More than likely, and I've torn my achilles. He's it's a nine to eleven month surgical process.
Oh my god. That is gutting.
And generally the second year coming off an achilles is really tough because it's a it's it's even worse than in my opinion, and I'm not a doctor, obviously, but you know, the acl is a tough one to come back from right away, but the achilles is really really difficult.
Does it make it worse because he's an older quarterback thirty nine.
No question about it? I mean, obviously, and I said this at the end of my career as a general manager. It was no secret that older guys got hurt more often. And then now all of a sudden, you're coming off that it's going to be a grueling rehabilitation process, and that is also probably going to test how much he really wants to come back and loves it.
That's a great point. I've hadn't talked to pro athletes. Rehab early in your career. It's a very optimistic, hopeful process. It's a very negative process late in a career, especially when you've got one hundred million net worth. It's hard. I mean, did you see the mental aware on players, older players that had to overcome rehab.
Oh? Yeah, you know, it really was grueling for those guys. And it, like you said, a lot of the financials to build is a big difference for those guys because they don't technically have to get off the couch anymore, you know, they they they have the flexibility to take
some time off and to let their body heal. In this situation, to me, what's really deflating, as much as the physical part would be to me a little bit about how he's gonna deal with this mentally, because there was so much excitement being in New York getting a fresh start, you know, being on hard knocks and all that was made of it. And you know, he looked like rejuvenated guy on the hard knocks to me, So now to see him take this step setback and you know,
who knows how it pans out for the team. But it's obviously, you know, if Zach Wilson can give a gritty performance each week like he did tonight, that's outstanding. But is that going to be really good enough Colin to win enough games?
Like? Really, you know, Zach and Aaron both have excellent arms, they can both move. How much of the offense do you change? I mean, let's let's be clear here. They relied on the one tonight, and I think they would have to a large degree if Aaron would have stayed in the game. Yeah, how much? I mean, as a general manager, you tell me, would you go down to Robert Sala? You know, do we need a trade? What
can I do for you? What do you do you think the team dynamic, the game plans would change for Hackett?
I mean, I think you're going to have to get a pause from from the head coach and the offensive coordinator. Can this guy really do it for us? Obviously bringing an Aaron he was going to be the key to you know, sort of put them in that predicament to be in the super Bowl this year, And now that they lost them, I mean, how critical was that?
It?
You know, reminds me in twenty fourteen, we were eight and one. Colin and I had just given Carson Palmer a three year extension on a Friday. That Sunday he tore his acl That year, we went to the playoffs, but without Carson Palmer we had no real chance. Ended up playing with Ryan Linley after Drew Standon got hurt.
So a very exciting year for us, the way we started at eight to one, ending up losing our friends quarterback after like I said, extending him for three years was really really a pit in my stomach, and I know the whole city of New York. I have to feel for them, you know, to feel like they got the guy. And hopefully it's not as bad as being reported. But you're going to have to prepare, particularly now with the second quarterback, that if Zach Wilson goes down, but
it's going to change the game plan. I mean it's you know, Aaron Rodgers, I guarantee you was so involved in those discussions about what they were going to do schematically. Now Zach Wilson is a much different predicament and they're going to have to sort of tighten the reins up, try to run the football more effectively. And just hope that that defense can continue to keep him in games.
An incredibly emotional wild night, I said in my preamble, considering, you know, nine to eleven, the emotion in the city Aaron Rodgers' debut. I mean, it was a tense evening. Aaron goes down and to put in a backup who didn't get a lot of snaps with Aaron because Aaron's trying to get all these young receivers aligned with him, and to keep to force Josh Allen into four turnovers. I thought they ran the clock, used it very efficiently
in regulation. I thought Sala and his staff, Steve, considering, you know, the timing of the injury, you're kind of you know, a curve ball is completely thrown at you. And I've got to be honest, I thought they played really under control. I thought you Sala deserved credit. That was my takeaway. Your thought on just the Jets win.
Yeah, same Colin, and want to start to Monday Night football. Wow, so many storylines and excitement tonight. You know. The one thing that I'll say is I think you nailed it to go solid, did a great job, especially jumping back from the adversity that they had to handle at the beginning of the game. I mean, after you lose your quarterback after the for snap. I mean, how hard is that for a team, you know, knowing that the stadiums
sort of deflated. Think the story tonight is the New York Jets defense, and quite frankly, I think the best quarterback that played for the Jets was Josh Allen.
Yeah, you know it's interesting, so you remember very well Josh at Wyoming was a wild, out of controlled but talented player first year in the NFL. Much the same day Bowl sandpapers and refines him. I gotta tell you now, he's been away for over twelve to fifteen months from dable. His mechanics a lot of side arm stuff. He's not sliding impatient, Steve, did you see I mean coordinators matter in this league a lot. We saw what Kyle Shanahan
did to Matt Ryan. I thought Josh was impatient tonight and sloppy at times.
You know, I agree with you one hundred percent and really disappointed. You know, it's particularly his second half performance. I mean, a guy that can improvise like that with his legs, with his arm, all those are great qualities. But if you can't play under control, and you can't have the attention to detail that's necessary for that position
to succeed. You're going to be putting a tough spot and tonight turning the ball with four times the way they played in the second half, to me is just unacceptable.
So offensive coaches were four and one against defensive coaches this weekend. And I've been critical on this podcast and on the air about Josh McDaniels, who I think needed dable and I think he just I just think defensive coaches don't have the same sensibility even you know, even Bill Belichick naming a DC as an OC. It's felt tone def to me. And I think Bill's a genius. But you know, last draft they drafted three guards and two kickers and they're one of the slowest teams in
the league. It's like, Bill, come on, the world's changed there. It's pivoted to offense. Are you concerned at all about if you look at the end of last year, if you look at the playoff game, if you look at tonight teams, you know these windows are tight where you have the perfect staff. Leslie Fraser, now I'm out. That concerns me. Stefan Diggs, Steve Just I don't love the vibe right now with Buffalo. Am I overreacting to it? You know from last year to this year.
You know, I don't think so. I think that again, you said it best, you know, when he had Brian day Bott sort of think that he did the right things with him and put him in a predicament where he could have success, not only schematically, but what he asked him to do. Now, I think if they're in a predicament where they're going to sit there and look and say, listen, you know, you have got to take care of the football, and that was his not coming out.
I went and saw him play several times in college and love his talent and his skill set, which was obviously on display tonight at times. But then when you get careless with the football and you make some of the poor decisions reading the field, it is going to put you in a tough predicament to win any football game in the NFL by turning it over four times.
Yeah. I want to touch on two or three other stories over the weekend. You looked at Brock Pertty at Iowa State a multi year starter. I've always said He's coachable and capable. And then I watched him against Pittsburgh and he moved better than I thought this was. He didn't train much in the off season with the elbow surgery. And I looked at the game plan that Kyle Shanahan implemented on the road as an underdog against the Steelers.
They threw the ball down the field. They were hyper aggressive. I didn't think Pittsburgh had nearly as aggressive a game plan for Kenny Pickett, a first round picket home. Go back to your scouting on Brock Purdy. Obviously Kyle Shanahan matters, but did you like him? Are you surprised at what you're seeing? I thought he was tremendous on the road.
I think everybody would be to be surprised considering the fact that he was a late round pick. I mean, in the worst case for me, even he grew up about ten miles away from here in Quak Creek, Arizona. So he's a local kid and obviously doing amazing things. But he's the typical guy. Colin and the scouting report that we all pick apart, not big enough, not live enough, arm doesn't have the skills that you look for. Plays
within the system. We call it. Well, that's a really good thing, you know, to play within the system and to be able to be coachable. What he has done is miraculous. I mean he has been phenomenal in every way. His patients, his accuracy, his timing, his anticipation, all those things that you know are really more of the ability to see the field and to make the quick decisions,
the same thing two is doing in Miami. Another guy that doesn't have all the great physical traits, but is doing a lot of good things seeing the field and playing with anticipation, a lot of things Kurt Warner did for us. Another guy that was not overly gifted physically.
You know, it's interesting, Steve. We tend to think kids go from high school to college and then they really blossom. Look at Aaron Rodgers. I remember when he came out of col he was mechanical. Tom Brady, Eric Mangini laughs. They used to bet money on the side that he couldn't make certain throws. Brock pretty I think sometimes, and I'm guilty of this, we forget these are not finished products.
You know, a Trevor Lawrence, or and Andrew Luckar Kyler Murray obviously is gifted, but a lot of it depends on where you land. And you know, I mean you land with Kyle Shanahan. You know, you've had offensive coaches Cliff Kingsbury, Bruce Arian, jn Wizdenhunt. I do think in twenty twenty three an offensive head coach is an advantage.
Steve and I totally agree Colin, and I think for a number of reasons. The thing number one, just from the standpoint for me of what you said, you have success with day Bow and Josh Allen. You lose day Ball now all of a sudden, you're starting over again. To me, if you want to have sustainable success, and that's to me something that the Chargers have to look at.
If the Chargers want to have sustainable success with Herbert, they have got to figure out what they what they can do to put him in the best succession to win football games, because right now is his prominent And to me, again, when you lock up a good offensive coach with a good quarterback years, you can have sustainable success. But if you don't do that, you're going to lose a good coordinator. If your quarterbacks haven't success.
That's right. And so if you're a defensive coach. Those offensive coaches are getting the job interviews that defensive coordinators are no longer getting. So if Kellen Moore, after two good years with Herbert, if he's not given that job, he could go back to Dallas. He's going to get ahead job somewhere. So to your point, that's right. You hire the offensive guy your coordinator leagues, I still get an offensive guy in the room running the show. Sean Payton,
Russell Wilson, here's what jumps out to me. You know, I saw a study recently that it said opposites may briefly attract, but they looked at these relationships over ten twenty years and they said they don't stay together. You have to have commonality in a relationship. Same music, same food, same same sort of vibe that your sleep patterns, do you eat healthy? Do you what eighty to eighty five percent? If you have commonality, those relationships last. Just say opposite
to track. They may attract, they don't work together. Russell Wilson's personality is the opposite of Sean Payton. Sean Payton is critical, he is harsh, he is I love him. He's funny, he's authentic, he's raw, He's sometimes inappropriate. Russell's polished, refined, almost overly optimistic and hopeful. And my takeaway is they're opposites. It works with wins these close losses I watched this weekend.
I'm not saying Steve that Russell's washed, but the game plan underneath it was as if Steve, it was as if Sean didn't really trust him. You know, I'm not saying washed, but there's so many great players, the Lamars and the Herberts. I didn't see a lot of juice. And that contract's forty eight large next year on are you concerned at all about the relationship, the personality, the limitations.
I think you nailed it. I'm a huge Sean Payton. I think he's one of the best coaches in the National Football League and certainly one of the best play calls. I think Sean, just personally, and this is just my opinion, is going to have very little patience here in this situation. You know, like you said, you want to make it work. Obviously, the financial demands and the contract that was put in place is going to be putting him in a very
tough position or the club in a tough position. But at the same time, knowing Sean Payton, knowing the competitor he is, knowing the football mind that he has. I think the amount of patience that he's going to display if this continues, is going to be very very short.
One final point, was there a Week one performance, good or bad, that shocked you, Steve Khin.
Oh, Jordan Love. I mean, you know, I don't want to say he played a flawless football game, but you know you would have thought, in my opinion, that maybe that that's where Chicago would have been, where they would have how they would have had a little more time. Now with the quarterback situation, Jordan Love was sort of the unknown. I was a guy who didn't really know if I believe it. I mean, again, it's one game. But in this one game sample size, he did some really good things.
Yeah, you know, I will say this offensive coach, good old line, run game. They scored on their first possession and the first possession of the second half. So much of that Steve about Jordan Love was I said this today quarterback in the NFL. It's calculus, and it always helps to have a good tutor when you're a young person with calculus, and it's like it's like the Packers, you know, Lafleur, the old line, It's like they have a really good tutor. I feel a little bit like
Justin Fields. It's a little hearable. He's on his own out there. Defensive coach O line struggles and I'm not banging on Matt Eberflus, but again the offensive coach. Uh, you're also you're taking over for a franchise with a winning momentum, right right, Like I feel.
If you're going to defense nowadays, Colin, if you're going defense, and I know there are some out liars out there, but if you're going to young defensive coach nowadays, he better be a special leader, right, like a game changer.
Like dan Quinn, I think will get another look. I think he's really Yeah, I think dan Quinn. I thought Brian Flores was really good. His personality is very brusque. Yeah, I think you. I mean there's some guys obviously mcdermot's been a very successful coach. Mike Tomlin has leadership skills. But I think to your point, if I was a general manager, listen, this sounds ridiculous, but I think Brandon Staley, Listen, that's the number one defensive payroll in the league. They
have a Bosa on the edge. They are third worst team in the league.
So you can't score thirty four points and get out scored and be the defensive head coach. You know that's not good.
They're a terrible third down defense with a Bosa on the edge. Like that's just you gotta get people. That's just like a gift from the heavens. You get a Bosa on the edge. There's only two of them. They're both great, Like, right, you gotta it's like guys, fellas, you gotta get off the field. They can't since he arrived. See time. Appreciate you coming on.
Thank you, my friend. Talk soon. The volume
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