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Colin Cowherd Podcast - MNF Reaction, Deion’s Draw, Caleb Williams, Paying Tua

Sep 26, 202349 min
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Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of First Things First on FS1.

They debate whether Caleb Williams is already the third most valuable quarterback on the planet prior to playing an NFL game. They discuss Deion Sanders bringing new eyeballs to college football and whether that’s sustainable if Colorado’s losing, what a fair deal for Tua would look like, and they react to the Monday Night Football doubleheader. 

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Speaker 1

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the full season. Get it before it's gone. All right, we bring in Nick. Right, let's start with this. This. Most of my life in college football, I feel like by mid October I know who's going to play for the National championship, barring some big upset. I honestly believe there's five teams in the league. They have all sorts of great and they've separated from the league Kansas City, Miami, Buffalo,

San Francisco, and Philly. I think Dallas has three great players, Ceedee Lamb, Micah Parsons and Trayvon Diggs, and they've lost one. I don't think they're a great team because they don't have a great quarterback or a great coach. Generally, in this league, three things make you great. A great coach, a great quarterback, and a great pass rusher. That's why I never worried about the Chiefs in their opening loss.

And their defense is going to be sensational. It's why if Burrow could get it right now, they won tonight. If Burrow could get it right, you know they've got I think, a smart young coach, a great quarterback, and a great edge rusher who had a field day against the backup tackle for the Rams. I honestly think there's five teams in this league. Like Philadelphia's roster is great, San Francisco's roster is great. Josh Allen is just a tornado of activity. I mean He's just a massive game

changing athlete, and they have a good defense. Miami's offense is like a track meet, and Kansas City's got the best coaching quarterback on the planet. After that, I think as quarterback becomes more important and pass rusher due to the importance of the quarterback becomes more centric to the winning in this sport, there's a big gap. There's a big gap.

Speaker 2

I listen, I think I would include Dallas in the group that you have because I think whatever questions you have about Dak, I think you've got to have the same, if not more, about Purdy. Now we can say Shanahan is a far greater coach than Mike McCarthy. The Mike McCarthy fans would say, well, you know, Mike McCarthy's actually won a Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan, you know what I mean, has not. But I do think Shanahan obviously is a more you know, innovative play designer and things. I mean,

I think he's a better coach than Mike McCarthy. What I think is interesting about your group of teams is there are the Miami piece of it is so fascinating because they just scored seventy points, and it looked like it was easy. They theoretically have Jalen Ramsey coming back. I'm not sure if he will, but you know, they

seem to believe he will. They have, you know, maybe a top three coach, certainly a top three offensive coach, and Mike McDaniel a decordinator kind of in the mold of In my opinion, what the Chiefs did was Spagnolo be like, Okay, you were a great defensive coordinator. It got you a head coaching job, and Vic Fangio that didn't work out. This is what supposed to be. Some people are just made to be coordinators, and Vic Fangio

is that. So they check all these boxes and the one obvious kind of you know, ominous cloud over them is to his health. And everybody's nervous about it. So here's what I said today, and I'm curious your thoughts on it. Let me throw a hypothetical at you. If the Miami Dolphins were in the midst of a contract negotiation with TUA and they had it ninety percent done, It's like, okay, we're haggling over just the fine print. We'll get it done the next few days. And then

he suffered a major concussion this past week. Would they freeze the negotiation, I argue they would. Okay, well, they broke off negotiations with him before the year started. Herbert got his deal, Burrow got his deal, Lamar got his deal. Tua just hung seventy on a team. Tua talk about

should have his agent. Dolphins would be like, guys, we need to open those negotiations, and we need to do it right now because while you, guys, you're the reason you don't want to is because of my client's health. Got it. The reason we're demanding we do it is because of my client's health. You think you can win the Super Bowl? We think you can win the Super Bowl. We would like that contract right now. We've never seen

a quarterback do it. But if if to his agent were to say, give us the rationale, why Justin Herbert deserves a contract, my guy doesn't. There isn't one same draft, So there are accomplishments.

Speaker 1

There is one if you were great and I was great, but you didn't show up as regularly and there were concerns I with a we had about your health because of a lifestyle. Now, obviously football, it's just a matter of getting tackled. Yes, but if there was, people said, you know this, Nick's just not dependable, Uh physically sure, right.

Speaker 2

I agree with that entire I know, maybe I said because Herber, no, Herbert doesn't have that issue, and Herbert I totally agree. But the point I'm making is that issue almost cuts both ways in this regard. That is a concern of the Dolphins, it is also a concern of I'm sure of Tua, which is why if there was ever a player that should be fucking cutthroat about his negotiation, it's Tua who should say you guys, you guys want to blow up this special team that could

win a Super Bowl. What do you think the Dolphins would do if he said, I want a contractor I'm not playing Sunday. Sunday one PM's the deadline. Would they blow their season up? Ord they swallow hard and pay him. I think they'd swallow hard and pay him. The other thing, too, is going for him is, Guys, since I've been here, you've tried to trade for Tom Brady or acquire Tom Brady, trade for Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, You've flirted with Aaron Rodgers.

I'm now dropping seventy on people you've shown no loyalty to me. I would like my goddamn money, and I'd just be very curious what they do. I'd be very curious what they do.

Speaker 3

Well.

Speaker 1

I think they really like him, and he is. His comp was Drew Brees, and you're seeing a lot of it. He's a very quick, accurate distributor of the football. Not terribly big, not great downfield. That's why they got him. Guys that are good after the catch, like Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill, they're very good after the catch, so I think they've managed them well. He's an easy guy to root for. He was crapped on by Brian Flores the concussion issue. I hope he gets paid. I would

really struggle to pay him too. I do believe he would give. He's the kind of guy Herbert did this. He would give the team a team friendly deal if they said, listen, we'll pay early, but you got to give us. We can't get trapped for six years if you go down. Correct.

Speaker 2

I'm not saying he should walk in there and say I need a fully guaranteed contract. Or would be the highest paid player ever, but he has just the fifth year option. He has twenty million guaranteed for next season and that's it for the rest of his contract. And at one point, like you threw up that scenario of you and me at work. Okay, let's just say that

exact scenario or to exist. And all of a sudden, you know, our employer was in the midst of what they considered, Oh my god, this might be the greatest year we've had in thirty years. And it's because of Nick. I might walk into the office and be like, you might be worried about my drinking and my gambling, but I'm not showing up next week if you don't pay me more. And let's just call my bluff if you want. But like, so, the NFL's very cutthroat, and we know

that when Trayvon Diggs got hurt. One of the first it happened while I was on the air, and one of the first things I did was Google. I was like, didn't he just sign a new deal? And I saw he did, and I was like, good, It's like, thank goodness, I'm happy that he got paid two months ago. And then I thought about it. I was like, man, if I'm toua, I've got a lot of leverage. We're scoring, We're taking knees and still scoring seventy. I might tell him, yeah,

you know, one hundred million guaranteed, you know, five years? Yeah, now you know something like that. Yeah, where I have some real safety. Yeah, you could get it right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1

No, I I would consider that because one hundred million is massively under the market. And if I said, listen, we'll give you a year extension, we'll rework it. This is massively under the market, but we want to take care of you for life. Here's one hundred million in the state of Florida with no tax.

Speaker 2

Yeah, like a three year, one hundred and twenty million dollar something like that, and where there's.

Speaker 1

Some yeah, I would do that as a GM also with a big signing bonus. It's not punitive if you left in a year. I got one year and I got two left. I just traft him too, a quarterback. I'm not paying him anything. But what you worry about is five years. That is Sean Watson. You can't get out of that thing.

Speaker 2

Can't get can't get out now.

Speaker 1

But I do think I think there is some I do think because Tua has had a rough road, he's a good person, he's having a great season, and he's beloved. I do think there is value where you say, guys, let's do a three deal. We all know the elephant in the room. It's no longer an elephant. We're discussing it. We'll set him up for life, but we're not going to do four and five years and it's gonna be below market. And I, by the way, that's a gamble by Tua. But I also think he's not money driven.

I don't.

Speaker 2

Well, I think there's different types of gambles. Like I again, I'm not trying to this is maybe a personal example, but I'll use it. And it's very different. I understand. I have every contract I've ever signed, I've signed super early. I've signed way earlier than I had to because I really really valued it was different things. It was like I had just moved to Houston to do radio, and I'm like, if I just bought a house, like I'm not going to try to maximize dollars on maximized security.

I had just moved to New York and put my kids in private school. I'm like, I just wanted safety and security. There's different times that you value different things and then there's times where it's like, you know what, been making a lot of money for a long time, I'm pretty set up. I want it now. I want to maximize as many dollars as possible. I did. People

reach different places in it. It makes sense for let me let Joe Burrow, who seemed willing to take that contract negotiation to the you know, the day before the season started, because he's like, you know what, I was the number one overall pick. I have all this money already. Even if I were to suffer a major injury, you would have the whole league lining up for me. I'm going to maximize dollars. If you're TUA, it's like, yeah, maybe in you know, I dreamt one day of being

the highest paid player in the league. But there was a time nine months ago I thought, am I never playing football again? Okay? Well, in that case, I value the security of you know what I mean, permanent financial stability. So I think I think it could work for all parties. Listen, we've all had fender benders in our life. Sometimes it's even more. People between the ages of twenty five and thirty four, in fact, have the highest amount of drivers

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We know it. They're kind of finding their way. The Rams had a great opportunity It's interesting the Rams are in one of the They're not a huge brand in LA. They're not nearly as big as the Dodgers, USC the Lakers. They're really not. They're like fourth in town. I did not think McKay had a McVeigh had a I thought Sean McVay had a very poor night. Did not run the ball in the first half, which they've done particularly well, didn't use the screen game as they were losing protection.

Stafford looked like he didn't practice. He was He missed layup after layup. I just don't think mcvayh had a good game plan.

Speaker 2

Punted on fourth and five down ten with six minutes left in one time out. I mean, what are you doing? I mean, I understand you the and now they punted on fourth and five down ten with six minutes left one time out. That guarantees if everything works out perfectly for you, you're in an on site kick game. Yeah, which is exactly what happened. Everything worked out perfect. They got the stop, they got the ball, they scored a quick touchdown. Kicking onside kick you lose.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

I mean I like McVay a lot. He was not bathe than Gloriot no.

Speaker 1

I thought Sean really struggled. I just thought he was completely off, and coaches can be off and players can be off. But I was saying this yesterday. I was talking I think it was Jason McIntyre. I said it on the air, and I texted him yesterday. It's the strongest quarterback class ever. Arizona is not the worst team. Chicago probably is. And you'd obviously take Kayleb Williams over Justin Fields and start over. That's not even a discussion Arizona.

It's going to win the Arizona's gonna win three or four games, and they're just not going to be there. And they also there's also other quarterbacks. But I would not take Drake mayover Kyler Murray. I would take Caleb over everybody not named Mahomes, Josh Allen, you and I.

Speaker 2

Are the only people saying this. People thought I was out of my mind. I said that Caleb is one of the five most valuable quarterbacks alive right now. Totally like the if that if every NFL player and college player were available, Mahomes goes one. There's some debate about who goes to and Caleb goes before everyone other than maybe three people.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Josh Allen goes before him. I would take Burrow before him. Although Burrell's injuries now are mounting. He can't get through a preseason. He's hurt again. It does work.

Speaker 2

I would have said Trevor three weeks ago, but I thought that Trevor's been a little disappointing. But he's on the short list. But that's that's it. Man. He goes before this is not disrespectful. He goes in a heartbeat before Hurts, before Lamar, before Tua, before that, he just does. Caleb goes before all those totally agree. I wouldn't take go ahead for Mahomes Alan Herbert. I think he's better potentially than Trevor Lawrence, but you've kind of he's a

southern kid, it's a southern city. I think you go with him, and then I think it gets Then I my be the list that could. That's the list, and I would take him over at Herbert. And I would take him.

Speaker 1

Over Herbert, and I wouldn't because I think Herbert has been under coached. I mean they're on their second or third coordinator, their second coach. I think if he had a reasonable offensive coach, his numbers, I mean I watched him Sunday. He is.

Speaker 2

I mean, she didn't didn't play pretty well. He played pretty.

Speaker 1

Well and without Austin Eckler, Mike Williams late, it's just on the road.

Speaker 2

But I interrupted you. You were talking about this quarterback class. I think yeah, So I think there's about the Rams tanking.

Speaker 1

Yeah, there's a bigger gap between Kayleb Williams, Drake May's not playing particularly well and all the other guys Bo Nicks, Michael Pennix had an injury. They're really good prospects. Caleb is transformational. So I think the Rams are a fascinating team. So Stafford's always been reckless and he's at injuries, and there's those that believe around the organization. He's not redoing his contract for them because he's gonna take all the

money and split. He doesn't want to play forever. Right, Like, he's been beat up, he's made his money, he's got his ring. He's not like Brady obsessed Manning. He's just not And so they tried to rework his contract this offseason. He's like, no thanks. And one of the reasons is he's gonna take every penny. He moved down to the stranded Manhattan Beach. I was told about a place he's having a good time, and then he's gonna exit stage

right here. In a couple of years, I think my guess is the Rams will draft somewhere in the middle of the first somewhere between like thirteen and seventeen. They'll finish like eight, nine to nine and eight somewhere around there, and they're gonna have a big decision to make because they've got they need a left they need a tackle, they need another defensive lineman. They've got they're pretty good at wide receiver, running back, safety, cornered. I mean, their

secondary's fine. They went heavy defense on the draft this year. They have a couple of o linemen they need. But the truth is they could. They could go in the first round with a quarterback. They absolutely could, and then reset the clock go buy a left tackle. I'm fat it Like tonight's a great example. Stafford's always been to me such a hot and like sometimes he doesn't have as good stuff. He's like a pitcher. He's like a number two pitcher, like an ace. Verlander and his prime

usually had his stuff, so did Kershaw. The difference between one and two the two. Guy didn't have his stuff about every fourth start, and Stafford just doesn't have it. On knights, his mechanics go sideways. He starts flipping it around. Tonight was one of those nights, and I'm fascinated to think literally bailed on golf. I don't think it's crazy to think he would move off Stafford and go draft.

Speaker 3

Yeah, well listen, I so so there's I thought the Rams should approach this year should have been we were very chested out bragged o'shus about fuck them picks.

Speaker 2

We then realized in short order kind of needed them picks. We went from winning the super Bowl to bad. They're bad, you know what I mean? They just don't they have They have four awesome players and then a bunch of guys and now because mcveigh's a brilliant guy and they do you know, you find a pooka nkuah, you'd make do to that well into something you're gonna try to piece it together. I thought before the year they should have told Aaron Donald, give us four teams you'd like

to play for. We'll trade you to the one that offers us the most. They should have told Cooper Cup we're actually gonna trade you any whereover gives us the best thing? You know? Do you maybe would Kansas City, have you know, if he were healthy, have given away a first round sure? If maybe? And they should have traded Stafford and they should have just said, you know what, we're sick of being We won a Super Bowl and

no one in LA cares about us. What if we draft the kid from LA who just maybe won a national championship at USC and Caleb Williams and we're gonna be the worst team in FOOTB because we're gonna try to be. And by the way, the other team that everyone thinks is trying to be the worst team football, they arezon the Cardinals. We play them twice. We can make sure they have more wins than us because we can throw those down.

Speaker 1

By the way, like that, Joshua Dobbs is good enough to win games.

Speaker 2

Josh Dobbs shout out to josh Dobbs. Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, he's been solid. So that's what I thought they should have done. They didn't do it, So you're right, they're going to be okay. Right, So then the answer might be draft should or if they're drafting thirteen fourteen, if they want someone to if they want, By the way, that's not overdrafting him.

Speaker 1

No, he is.

Speaker 2

That is exactly where he's supposed to go, like middle of the first round and that. And by the way, if you're right, Stafford wants to play another year, Shadoor is probably not the type of guy you want to play immediately anyway, clean up the cap, then maybe that's when you trade away. Some people get some picks back. But the Rams, the Rams have to reset it. The Bucks, to their credit, recognized it. The Bucks, you know what I mean, are taking their lumps on the dead this year.

They got a quarterback making no money and they're like, Okay, we won our super Bowl. Now we're going to try to reset it. And which is why you know they didn't. I think it was smart that the Bucks didn't re sign Mike Evans. What do you resigned Mike Evans for? You just got to start over, you know. And so yeah, I think the Rams, I think drafting Caleb would have obviously been their best case scenario. I hope Caleb doesn't go to Chicago. Chicago doesn't seem to know what they're doing.

Speaker 1

No, I've said this before, It's not a coincidence that Kansas City has had Dick for Meal and Hank Stram and Marty Schottenheimer and Herm Edwards and Andy Reid. It's also not a shock they've had Lynn Dawson and Trent Green and Alex Smith and Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes certain places, it's not a surprise that the Packers have had Matt Lafleur, McCarthy, Holmgren, offensive coaches, Art Star Farvan Rodgers.

Certain organizations make it easier for quarterbacks to succeed. Chicago's a defensive culture, a windy, cold northern climate, where the Packers usually have a Hall of Fame quarterback. They in an era when the entire league's pivoted to offense. They went and got an unproven This is what Kansas City doesn't do. Kansas City gets for Meal, Schottenheimer, herm Andy, they go get Matt Eberfluse like time out that like it.

It's not a coincidence that Kansas City's almost never terrible and almost always has a better than average coach and a competent quarterback. They didn't lock into that. The Hunt family knows what they're doing. You have an old school ownership in Chicago, a rigid, defensive culture that's outdated. They had to hire Bill Pollion to really run their quarterback or their head coach search. So I don't think Justin Fields is good, but much harder to succeed there than Kansas City or Green Bay.

Speaker 2

No, yeah, listen, I think it's Justin Fields has been set up to fail. Yes, I also think he has failed. Yeah, And it was, it was. It was bizarre the offseason commentary surrounding him and the Bears. The Bears, the Bears preseason Vegas win total was seven and a half, and I just remember thinking about it. I was like, if the Bears go seven and ten, their fans are gonna

be thrilled. It's gonna have been a great season. So anytime you can bet the under and still have what would be a win, an under bet could win and the fans could be like this was a great season. I'm like, well then it's probably an under team like where And there was a lot of I just thought wish casting. And I'm not trying to act like I'm somebody that studies the All twenty two and I can tell you, you know, the guy's a dots and stuff. But I watch every football game there is. I watch

as much as as humanly possible. I watched justin Fields all last year, and at no point was I like, Oh, that guy is a star. Now. Multiple times I was like he might be the best running quarterback, the best runner at the position I've ever seen, including Vic and Lamar. I did say that, but there was not a single moment where I was like, that guy throws the ball well. And this offseason some of the quarterbacks on television were like, I think he can win league MVP. League MVP is crazy.

First of all, your team's gonna win thirteen games. Second of all, you've got to be awesome. What evidence do we have of either of those things?

Speaker 1

Yeah, there's interesting that. I'm not a huge believer in analytics for football. I think it works for baseball, though I think it's hurt the sport, and I do believe in basketball situational mid range jump shots are very important in the playoffs. I think the long game analytics works in baseball and basketball get into the playoffs. I need stops in baskets, need hoops. I don't need threes. I

need hoops in football. I'm begrudgingly accept some analytics. But the number, the data that really sticks out with justin fields is that he has more interceptions on four plus seconds to throw like he has plenty of time, Like there's a there's a data point out there where he takes more sacks after four seconds, throws more interceptions and in completions after four seconds. Mooney and DJ Moore are a and Cole Comet and the other tight end from

Green Bay. They are fine skill players like. His problem is he doesn't see the field particularly well to Zach Wilson issue. They both run, have arms, they don't see the field, and he's very reluctant to just let it go.

Speaker 2

Well, that's I can't add anything more to it. And one hundred cent agree. And I think he as where I do think the team did him a disservices. I think if he had more stability and more talent around him early, he wouldn't be as he seems to be nervous when he's playing and he's you know what I mean. So that's why to me, what we're seeing right now is the worst case scenario. I guess what I'm saying

is with him, even the best case scenario. I don't think was ever going to be awesome, but it didn't have to be this.

Speaker 1

And how about this too. I remember when I hired you. The I hired you, I was asked about you, and so I listened to about three minutes of tape and I said instantly, yep, I get that guy. He's good. And I used to watch American Idol twelve seconds in You're like hack lounge singer star. It's not hard. There isn't it quality. I've watched c J. Stroud play six quarters. He's good, professional, stands in the pocket, accurate thrower. Some of this he has a defensive coach. He has a rookie play caller.

Speaker 2

And by the way he's down that it's not like Texas have some great offensive line and they're down fort.

Speaker 1

Starters and we're starting and I watch him nick he just makes better decisions. So well, that's he makes better decisions than Zach Baker justin some of this is the it CJ. Strout When I watch him, he just throws it to the right guy all the time.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean that c J. Stroud through three games has been a revelation because I thought I thought, okay, very low ceiling, very high floor was what I thought you were getting to c J. Strou Jared Goff, Yeah, sure, absolutely like very low ceiling, very high floor, just stability. But the through I mean, again, I don't want to overreact, but now I think the ceiling is much higher than I thought. You've said, Zach Wilson a couple of times. I know the Jets are over discussed. Can we talk

about the Jets from sure? Yeah, okay, I am. I think the Jets are going to kind of be let off the hook for how disastrous this was always going to be because Aaron got hurt. Because okay, so a number of things here that just make no sense, and they're being laid to bear with Aaron being hurt. Their entire offseason when you look at it was about hiring friends of Aaron Rodgers. Probably not a good way to start that. Who's the guy who almost caught the ricocheted

hail Mary Cob, He answers, Randall Cobb. Why is Randall Cobb that you signed McCole Hardman away from the Chiefs. He has one catch for six yards because Cobb and Lazard are the ones getting on the field, Well, who's making that decision. Oh yeah, Nat Hackett. What's his great qualification? Oh yeah, he's Rogers buddy. There was a very interesting moment when Salah this weekend I'm sure you saw it was asked about you know, why is Zack still the starter?

And he was about to say he's the best quarterback we have, and then he stopped. He was like, he gives his best chance to win. But the answer is it's because Tim Boyle is the backup. So Tim Boyle, this is I said this on TV. Both of my co hos today said that can't be right, and I said, just go google it. Tim Boyle played three years at Yukon and then played one year one of the directional Kentucky. Those three years at Yukon Colin I swear to God

this is accurate. He had one touchdown pass and thirteen interceptions. So it's not like, oh, he never got to play. He played three years of D one college football, had one touchdown pass and thirteen interceptions. In the NFL, he has thrown one hundred and eight total passes in a six year career. That I don't know how he's had a six year career. In those hundred and eight passes, he's been picked off another eight times, so why is he there? Oh yeah, because he was on rogers ayahuasca

trip with him. He's his buddy and that's his guy. So Rogers goes down. And by the way, Dwayne Brown this week is on the IR. That was gonna happen whether or not Rogers went down. Dwayne Brown was going to the IR and roberts Hell is still going to be your coach. But there was like, and I'm sorry that I'm this is kind of, you know, a long story, but it'll it'll, it'll make sense. I'm gonna go to

the Chiefs for a moment. The Chiefs number six wide receiver who's also their pump returner, got hurt in week two, Richie James, you know what they did between week two and week three elevated a new pump returner off the practice squad, was on the active roster yesterday, the like fifty first most important guy on the team got hurt. They're like, okay, he's on IR. We need to elevate someone to take that spot. The fucking Jets starting quarterback went down, I know other quarterbacks.

Speaker 4

They were like, we're gonna stick with Zach Wilson, who we our team openly revolted against last year, was wearing T shirts of his backup and we're shot.

Speaker 2

This thing's going sideways, Like I don't think I know, I know J Mack on your show is big on like they can save the season with cousins, whatever it is. I don't know about say anything. What I know is Zach Wilson's the worst quarterback I've seen in my life. He's the worst that's gotten a lot of chances. The team knows it, and they refuse to bring someone else in a way that is it could be mystifying team.

Speaker 1

They could threaten Aaron Rodgers. See I felt this with Green Bay at the end they were walking on eggshells. I think the Jets are walking on eggshells. They don't want to offend Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Alan Lazard, Billy Hunter, this backup quarterback. I mean, I think a lot with Aaron is I think people are a little intimidated. Aaron comes off. I think he's smart. I don't think he's quite as like Peyton Manning smart. I think I don't think he's as smart as he thinks he is. But

that's an epidemic in the world. I think with Aaron Old single rich Ring, he really has everybody. He has the leverage. I mean even now the injury gives it more leverage. Now they're really trapped.

Speaker 2

And by the way, if this thing really goes terribly so, Sala's record is abysmal, like he now no. I said this on your show, and people thought I was trolling because this was before Rogers got hurt. When I was saying, I thought the Jets, because of their offensive line, we're going to have a terrible like, have a disappointing ear.

I said that I thought Salah was going to be the fall guy, and then Rogers was going to use the leverage of do I come back or don't I come back to tell to make them make Nad Hackett the head coach. I now truly believe that's what's gonna happen. This Jets seems gonna win four games. Sala's overall record at that point is going to be like a career twenty five winning percentage. He has two division wins, ever, and that's not gonna get much better. This year. He

got two, you got one, Morgan's Buffalo, I'm sorry. Three division wins. Ever, now because the one against Buffalo, you have two against Miami. The Jets couldn't score seventy points in a six hour game, and Nat Hackett absolutely could be the coach. Also, the offensive line thing, I can't get over it. It's like it's like the Jets. I'm gonna use a Colin Cowherd analogy. I'm not as good

as you, but I think it'll work. Aaron Rodgers is like a private airplane that was on discount because the owners, the people who owned it were like, ah, I think it's it's a little old, little unreliable, kind of a pain in the ass. So you were able to buy it at a huge discount and then with your last ten thousand dollars of like renovating it making it as nice as possible. It's like, all right, you got ten

grand left, should we buy some parachutes in case? Ever they were right about it, They're like, eh, if we need the parachutes, were fucked anyway, you spend it on champagne. That's what they did. They could have they could have used they could have re signed Mike White, they could have had a real backup quarterback and said they're like a spinning on Dalvin Cook spending on Rogers' buddies. If he goes down, we're ruined anyway. And with an achilles injury,

yes you are screwed anyway. But if Rogers, let's just what would have been really mortifying for the Jets is if Rogers hadn't torn his achilles, he had just suffered Joe Burrow's calf strain. And it's like, all right, guys, just hold it together for five weeks for me. And they're out here looking like they do because they didn't. Andy Dalton looked competent this week. Jameis Winston came in and drove them into field goal rings. They missed it.

They look competent. Cardner Minshew won a game against the Ravens like the backupquarters are available, and they rolled with Zach for reasons I don't understand. And now they're just a dumpster fire, just a disaster.

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always competent and good, infrequently great. But now they're on a great run. Green Bays a was competent. I mean even New England. Now it's a pop gun offense, but they're competent. I mean, they beat the teams they should beat. They're not gonna beat Philadelphia, They're not going to beat Kansas City or Buffalo, but they're gonna Miami. They'll beat the teams they should beat, they'll they'll knock off one or two. I don't think there's a coincidence. I mean

I say this all the time. I've been in this business thirty years. It's the people who have a big audience radio, TV, print, digital. It's not a coincidence. They either work harder, they're more talented, they're smarter, they're more captivating. I think it's the same thing in the NFL. The Jets are exactly Listen, think about it. They pursued Rogers because they whiffed with a number two pick, right, so.

Speaker 2

The numbers two picked if they had to pick, because they whiffed on the number three pick for three years prior. They were four years prior in Darnold, like, they've had so many bites at this.

Speaker 1

Anc, constantly spending bad money to fix it. So they whiffed it with in a left tackle, they whiffed in a quarterback. So now they go get Dwayne Brown, and now they overspend for Aaron Rodgers, and now they want to bring in maybe Carson Wentz or Kirk Cousins. The Packers are a well run business. The Bears are a poorly run business. The chiefs are a well run business. The Jets are a poorly run business. These are all.

Speaker 2

Business and to bring the Bears, I mean again, sorry salt nowin for Bears fans. The Bears drafted justin Fields because Mitch Trubisky didn't work out. Who they drafted over Patrick Mahomes in that draft. That was the Bears were drafting a quarterback in the Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1

Drightaway, mel kiper no, no no. Greg Cosell said, Trubisky is going to go in the first round. Watch him. I was with my family in Hawaii. I went inside off the beach to watch his Carolina team play, I think Florida State. So I watched a half and I text Greg Cosell. I said, I don't get it. His ball die is twenty yards in. I don't get it. And he said he's a front leg thrower and I don't like him. And I said, Greg, I'm just a I'm a radio TV guy. But his ball dies, his

ball doesn't carry. He made a sideline throw and I don't know if it was intercepted, but you could just see that his and that was his NFL thing. He was more athletic than he was given credit for. But a far worse thrower than he was given credit for, and they drafted him. The Bears drafted a receiver named VELAs Jones in the third round two years ago. He was at USC transfer to Tennessee. When he was at USC, they could have made a phone call. He couldn't track

the ball. He couldn't the ball was He's like a center fielder who couldn't track the ball. He's been a complete bust. Like it's like they don't their phones don't work, they don't make calls, they don't have It's like these are Trubisky was a was not a first round quarterback. Beilis Jones was not an NFL third round pick. Like sometimes I just again, it's not a coincidence. They don't know offense.

Speaker 2

I know it's getting late, but you mentioned USC, which reminded me I wanted to Can I ask you a college football question? This is kind of a media question as long as well as college football. Oh, by the way, I think there's nothing And I like Dan Lanning. I like him a lot. Dan Lanning is a Kansas City guy. Used to listen to my radio show called Into My Buddies radio show in Kansas City. The Church of Laslo. I like Dan, but I got a little bit of

a chuckle. The coach of the Oregon Ducks also known as the Nike Marketing University of Football, being like, they're in it for the clicks. We're hard, No, we play these games with the lights off, Like, huh, don't you guys have neon yellow jersey, a.

Speaker 1

Hundred uniforms or good?

Speaker 2

Like a break coldal speech was for his players to get them fired up, and I saw that. I'm like, this isn't exactly Texas A and m out here being like, give me a break. All right. So here's my question. I think USC is gonna score seventy points on Colorado. I think it's end play. I mean, I think Oregon has a better defense than USC. Yeah, USC is a better offense. US is gonna score every time you catch

the ball. If Colorado gets annihilated again, does the country stop caring about them before this year?

Speaker 1

I think yeah, I think it. I think it. I think Colorado, because they're humiliated, is probably more competitive at home, and USC's defense is better than last year, but not great, So I think it's more of a forty five to twenty one game. I think it's I don't think it's that close us. He is clearly better. They may score in the fifties. I think. I think what Dion has done he has not moved college football fans to his channel. He's brought in people that didn't like college football, pro fans,

Dion fans, Cowboy fans. If you look at the numbers, he's not moving people from Georgia to Colorado. He found like three people.

Speaker 2

He's got it. Yeah, and it's and listen, it's not it's not poor form to say it, because it's facts. He is. There are massive amounts of black people that were not watching college football that are now. Not that black people don't watch college football, but when you look at the act, our guy michaelmulbihill at Fox has all

the data and tweets it out Dion. What Dion has done for the for the black audience of college football, and that's I mean, it's it's it's historic, it's un it's it's unprecedented.

Speaker 1

Like the thirty five to forty percent viewers that don't watch the sport.

Speaker 2

Correct, and that's that's not obviously all black people, but that is disproportionately a black audience and so I I just wonder I think this there was the other like the idea, there were some After Colorado got their teeth kicked in, there was some pushback. They were like, oh, maybe now the media stopped pushing this down our throats. Guys, there were ten million people watching Colorado Colorado State game at two in the morning Eastern.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

If you go to DraftKings, were volume war with DraftKings, right, DraftKings. If you go to DraftKings, they have a tab. It's like the end. You want to bet the NBA, the NFL, college football, Colorado, and the tennis. Like, I mean that's true. Good look at it. It's I mean it is. This was not. Certain things are media creations. The interest in Colorado was not. People were into it. Yeah, and I think they still are if they lose by forty next week. I think it Discip.

Speaker 1

Taylor Swift, Travis Kelcey is very much media generated. It's fun. It was a blowout, the game was over. Let's put it up. I'm fascinated in Deon Sanders. I don't think it will be as uh, you know, Intergalact ratings, Bonanza comets through the sky, but I'll still watch. I mean I said before, I'm not rooting former against him. I root for interesting. Dion's interesting, the cowboy hat, the shades, the attitude Colorado has been a I mean, you don't

even remember this. I knew Colorado sports because of Robbie Benson a movie in the seventies called One on One. You could google. No it was I don't remember, like nobody cared about Colorado sports.

Speaker 2

The you know, the first memory I have a Colorado sports. I was never a Missouri football fan, but I'm from Kansay. Missouri is the fifth down play. I don't know if you met, Missouri was playing Colorado at the end of a Big eight season one year and the down guys screwed up and Colorado got a fifth down. But so, all right, here's my last Colorado thing. This is their schedule the rest of the way. Home for USC loss,

they're gonna get. Yeah, at Arizona State when they can win that, okay, Home for Stanford win, at u c l A win, Okay, well then they're fine. Home for Oregon State is probably a loss, go either way. Game home for Arizona win, and then at Wazoo and at Utah lost loss.

Speaker 1

They'll definitely lose at Utah.

Speaker 2

That will lose Utah. Utah. Utah is just big. If you put took Shador and Colorado's best skill guy and and gave to Utah, you have the best team in the country. I mean, because Utah has all that. When Dion's talking, I need seven or eight people he means offensive and defensive line. Yeah, he needs big people. But so you think they can go seven and five eight? Absolutely, that would be an amazing Since that would be an amazing I.

Speaker 1

Think it's wonderful he has brought and I when I say he's brought people in that didn't watch the sport. He's brought NFL fans in, Niner fans, Cowboy fans, He's brought people that didn't really like they're Dion fans. And by the way, if Dion walked through a mall, it's not just it's it's he's Deon Sanders. He's had forever.

Speaker 2

Wilds asked this and it was a very interesting question. It wasn't even on TV. He's asked me. He said, is Dion the most famous person to ever coach college foot? And it's like, I, I.

Speaker 1

Mean, I don't well, bear think he is famous because he coached college football. Yes, I think he's the most famous person that has coached college football.

Speaker 2

And like, right now, if Nick Saban and Dion Sanders are walking on separate sides of the mall it First of all, there are parts of the country where Nick Saban would not be bothered, right and even in Alabama, everyone knows Dion. They might be more excited about Nick, but everyone nobody doesn't know him, and so like there that is a real power. It is a level of like fame and celebrity we've never had in college.

Speaker 1

When you when you have a nickname and people in your nickname doesn't have anything to do with your name, like Mamba Kobe, Yeah, that's famous Prime, Deon Sanders Prime, Like usually you know it. It's connected to your name. Very few people music or otherwise that have a nickname where their name's not included in it. And universally everybody knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 2

And it's another word on its own, you know what. It's not like like it was shack is, but it's another word on its own. Prime means its own thing. But right now, if someone says prime, you think of Colorado football, that's pretty goddamn powerful.

Speaker 1

Yeah. No, I think it's great for this. I love college football. I think he's love some NFL fans that are Sunday viewers that don't watch Saturday football. They're certainly, as you noted, an African American component. But I think a big chunk of it is he brought Sunday people to Saturday TV and it's great.

Speaker 2

Yeah. I think that's right. I think that's absolutely right.

Speaker 1

All Right, Nick, Right, this has been fun. Good seeing you, buddy. We'll do this in about six more weeks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, all right, talk to other.

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