Colin Cowherd Podcast - Mike Silver on Dan Snyder Sale, Trey Lance Future, Rodgers/Jets Saga

was back in the seventies and eighties. It was the Washington at the time Redskins, not the Green Bay Packers that were on TV every weekend. The biggest rivalry in the NFL at that time was Washington head coach George Allen and the Cowboys and head coach Tom Landry. Second was probably Steelers Chuck Noll and the Raiders. Some of that was John Madden, I believe as the coach or the Dolphins, Don Shula, like Dan Snyder, has done an egregious job. I mean, Donald Sterling was a bad guy

and a bad owner. But the Clippers were never a huge brand. Marge Shot took the Cincinnati Reds arguably the most popular franchise in the seventies early eighties and ruined him. And Dan Snyder did as good a job as you possibly could do to ruin and tarnish a great name. It didn't matter whose quarterback Billy Kilmer in the seventies,

it could be Joe Thiseman, Mark Rippin, Doug Williams. Washington was really good for a long time, but Snyder was greedy, treated people poorly about the money, about himself and hopefully the new owners. I mean, it can't be difficult. We'll just embrace the community. When I was a kid growing up, the first game I ever remember watching was nineteen seventy two. It was January or February. It was the Super Bowl between Washington and the Miami Dolphins on a small black

and white TV in my bedroom downstairs. We had a Frank Lloyd flat roof house in Grayland, Washington, and downstairs I had a little black and white TV. And I can remember on a Sunday watching a Super Bowl in my little black and white TV. It wasn't nearly as big back then, and garyya Premium was a kicker for the Miami Dolphins. He screwed up fourteen to seven. Dolphins beat Washington in the Super Bowl. He screwed up, tried to pass a ball, Washington grabbed it. That was our

only touchdown of the game. But those Washington teams were my favorite. Diron Talbert, Charlie Taylor, the wide receiver Larry Brown, the running back Billy Kilmer, the quarterback Mike Bass, the cornerback Pat Fisher, Chris Hanburger. That was literally, you know, fifty years ago, and I can remember half the roster and it just remained. Joe Gibbs took over what a proud franchise and Dan Snyder basically killed a great brand.

Killed it hard to do. I mean it just it would be the equivalent of ruining the Braves or the Dodgers or the Yankees brand. The equivalent of that, It would be the equivalent of ruining Michigan football or Oklahoma football, just ruining the bank. How bad would you have to be for how long to completely ruin the brand? People now don't even think of Washington as a top ten franchise,

forget winning just merchandise. There used to be a twenty five year waiting list waiting list for season tickets for Washington. Look it up back in the seventies and eighties. It's hard to explain to people that are twenty five years old or thirty five years old how big Washington was. They were part of the biggest rivalry in the National Football League with the Dallas Cowboys. So Snyder has been an utter disaster. Robert Sarver with a Phoenix suns Marde

shot Donald Sterling. It is. It's not like owning any other business. It's front facing, it's public. Your employees are vital rock stars in a community, part of the charitable part of the community, the entertainment portion of your community. They're in schools with kids, they're filling stadiums, they're starting businesses. You know, pro sports can mean so much to a community, and so you have to get the right owners. It's funny.

I go skiing in Utah and the area I ski has some really beautiful homes on the mountain and one of them is Dan Snyder's, and every time I ski buy it. I'm like god, worst owner in pro sports the sport. I love worst owner right there, good riddens. One of the things I love about having Draymond Green as part of the volume is that I think there are two athletes or former athlet eats in America that

stand above the rest in terms of being analysts. The best former athlete currently a TV analyst for any network in any sport is Charles Barkley. He literally gets in the news cycle. He is in the news cycle. He creates stories, and the reason he does is because he's brootally honest. I'm watching him the other night and Charles Barkley comes out and says, don't waste your time, some of these games aren't worth watching. Why he would get criticism from the blogs shows you how out of touch

the blogs are. That's why he's popular, because the blogs play it safe and Barkley doesn't. Let's face at Celtics, Sixers Bucks easily the best teams in the East. Miami's good enough to make somebody uncomfortable. Cleveland's good enough to make somebody uncomfortable. Those are the three best teams now. The West is wide open, the East isn't. And the second person a current athlete that is also a podcaster

or broadcaster is Draymond Green. Draymond and Charles to me are the best current or former players in any sport Baseball, football, basketball, hockey, MLS. Why because they're fearless doesn't mean they're reckless, They're fearless. And it's a great example of the Internet. Twitter is constantly rewarding people who play it safe and say the right things. And Barkley's not on Twitter, and Draymond doesn't

give a shit. And for all you young broadcasters out there, twenty two percent of the country is on Twitter, seventy eight percent aren't. It's not real life. I mean, there's nobody in the NFL, and I work at a network with a lot of good analysts. There's nobody in the NFL that says relevant or creates news like Barkley. And I think mostly because people are a little timid, a little fearful of saying something that rocks the boat, contrarian

getting beat up on social media. But I love the fact that Draymond Green came out and said I couldn't believe Lebron was gas the other night. Draymond is friends with Lebron James. He doesn't care. I have no problem with most analysts have relationships. I mean, Troy Aikman obviously knows Jerry Jones, but I never felt Troy Aikman had a problem ripping Jerry Jones and criticizing Jerry Jones. But I think that shows the fortitude and the fearlessness of

Draymond Greene is he doesn't care about his relationships. The bottom line here is Lebron did look gassed. Jason McIntyre was at the game, game was over, Lebron was done. Hands on hips. It should be twenty twentieth year in the NBA, but I think Barkley and Draymond have really separated. Not to say others don't have talent, they have separated from everybody else in the Analyst game, won a former star, won a current star. The NBA playoffs are upon us.

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Time app. Last minute ticket deals, lowest prices guaranteed. All right, My buddy Mike Silver, part of the volume, longtime NFL reporter, writes for Ballet Sports in the San Francisco Chronicle. Actually, begin they're gonna be doing some warrior games since he knows Steve Kerran knows hoops, which is great. We'll get into that in a second. So, Daniel Snyder, it's hard to ruin a great brand, right, like like like Downald Sterling was a bad human, but that was never a

great brand, right. Robert Sarver did all he could to ruin the Suns, but it wasn't a huge national brand. Seventies, eighties, nineties, Washington was the Packers. I mean they were when I was a kid growing up. They were the franchise after Dallas and the Steelers, it's it's such a great fan base, exactly, exactly. So a lot of people felt, despite the harassment charges, that the owners would support Dan Snyder and he would just figure out a way despite bad pr to hang around.

Any insight to what possibly happened, well, I think one thing that happened is that one of his own publicly started talking about maybe kicking him out. And I know Jim murs say really, really well. I admire his conviction. He goes against the grain at times. It's possible Jim Mursay just spoke honestly and from his heart. It's also possible that Jim Ursay had had some conversations with other owners who said, you know what, we agree with you, and if you say that, you know you'd have our

at least quiet support. But that was not insignificant when Jim Ursay started public you know, came out publicly and said, yeah, I don't know, maybe we should get rid of this guy. And Jim Ursay has three daughters, he's very close to him. He didn't like the way that the allocations against Stan Snyder were selling NFL owners and the league. Um, you know, prior to that, it had been thought well, a lot of owners have skeletons. Trust me, I worked I worked

for them for eight years. Trust me. They do a whole other podcast topic. But you know a lot of owners have skeletons, and a lot of owners more charitably could have people come out of the woodwork to accuse them of things that maybe aren't totally accurate. But they didn't want to open that can of worms where you know, okay, if accusations happen, it sets the stage for these franchises. They want to be generational that while we've been on this podcast that you know, each one is appreciated and

another hundred thousand dollars or something. You know, they didn't want to open that can of worms. And remember Jerry Richardson and face some pretty serious allegations just passed away recently. That problem got solved because he was older and he was just done. He was like, you know what, fine, I'm out. And they didn't have to The NFL owners didn't have to deal with it. The NBA solved the

problem twice by throwing money at the problem. Essentially a having the balls Adam Silver on its like first day on the job to say you're out. Donald Stirling, whether it's constitutional or not. And then a giant offer from Steve Ballmer and again with the sons that happened with Starvers. So you know, this is a little bit of all of that. Daniel Sneider wasn't gonna make it easy and walk away, but I think once he heard Jim Mursay

say that, he realized, man, something has turned. Now the next least popular owner is Jimmy Haslum, who infuriated owners for another reason and agreed bad fully guaranteed contract to Deshaun Watson. So if we had a ranking of least popular owners among other billionaire owners, haslam now is number one. Right. Well, that's so cool that you broached that because I used

to do oder rakings. As far as I know, I'm the only one who I did them annually for SI dot com and then Yahoo, and of course they were my rankings about who I thought were doing the best jobs of owning teams. But that actually has my wheels spitting, Like, what about an insight e oder rakings of which owners

are the most hated among the other owners. And you know, you bring up a good point, but I think in the end, you know, yeah, that frustrated other owners that Jimmy Haslum did that because now we got to deal with this guaranteed contract stuff. And other owners didn't like it when David Tepper came in and gave Matt Rule. Sound weird in retrospect, but gave Matt Rule all that

money because it messed up the coaching contract market. But I feel like owners get over that stuff, you know, eventually, but the you know what, owners can't get over allegations if proven, and maybe we'll never know that one owner, Daniel Snyder allegedly cooked the books and screwed them out of their share of the gate. That's less forgivable, you know for the billionaire set. So yeah, they tend to

stick together. They tend to not want to set precedents like, oh, a couple of accusations could knock ex owner out of the league and make them lose this incredible investment. But you know, Daniel Snyder put them through the rigor in a lot of ways, and Ursy possibly knowing that he spoke for a larger contingent, was kind of like, Okay, this is this is a nightmare. Look if the Colts play the Commanders, if they're still called that at the FedEx Field or a new stadium at Jim Ursay takes

the field pregame to go schmooz. He should get like an adoring celebration at a prolonged ovation from those Washington fans for a huge, huge assist on getting Daniel Snyder the f out, because heaven knows, it's been long coming and it's tough to shed any tears. By the way, there's usually about any given time about seven or eight great quarterbacks in the NFL, seven or eight great coaches in the NFL, and seven or eight great gms in the league. I'd argue they're not seven or eight great owners.

I'm dead serious, Like yeah, I mean that's again like doing the Rakings all those years. I really had to think about it. You would here, I'll say it a different way. You would think that the people who own NFL teams because they've succeeded or been born into success. But the ones who succeeded, you'd think they're competitive people. And now they're in the public eye. You'd think thirty two people would be going after it. I'll do anything to win. Nah, it's a much, much, much smaller number.

There's a large segment of ownership. That's like, you know what, franchises appreciating. We're guaranteed a profit simply from the TV deals alone. And if we win, cool. If we win once in a while, great, If we win more than once in a while, right on, let's ride that wave.

But they're not living and breathing in it. So when I did the rankings, the people who lived and breathed it aggressively trying to generate revenue and then aggressively tried to look for ways to spend that revenue, either through salary cap manipulation or non cap expenditures. Like coaches. I put very high, which is paradoxically weirdly, in my very first owner rankings, I had Daniel s Or crazy high because my thought was, yeah, he's he's got terrible people's skills.

He does things to undermine his coach at GM by budding up to players, but at least he's trying really hard to get money and use that money to win, and he really wanted to win. He fell more and more as the rankings went on, and unfortunately the rankings didn't go on long enough for him to really really you know, go to his rightful place. But yeah, and I just wanted to give a very brief history lesson for you non old people. And you'll remember some of

this column. You probably weren't paying his close of attention. But the old NFL I called the bullet Burrow bosses. You had all these families that kind of had teams, and they were like, we're gonna share everything. We're just gonna share the revenue from the TV deals, We're gonna share a revenue from the gate. We're gonna split it up, and we're all gonna do things equally. And you know, as lefty as I could get sometimes when it comes to NFL economics, I'm very like invisible hand free market.

And I sided with the Eddie de barbelows of the Jerry Joneses who shook things up and said, wait a minute, why are we sitting around, you know, taking our guaranteed money and not trying to aggressively generate revenue. We're these incredibly valuable franchises. Let's get after it. And it turned they tried to turn that into ways to get ahead on the field and to the point where, oh, we got to create a salary capture. So the NFL has a lot of communist socialist properties, they share money, they

have a worse Shelby first scheduling formula. They have a worse Shelby first draft formula. And I could go on and on and on about you know, central control and all that, but you know there are there's still some old Guard owners who subscribe to that model. And I will give it to Daniel Snyder that he was not one of those. So I want to talk about the Niners because you have such in depth, you have tentacles

all over that organization. And by the way, increasingly when I follow your Twitter feed, all your critics are lightening up because you've been right so many times and broken so many stories. They are like silver, I hate, yeah, whatever, what's the latest news. So the trail hand stuff is interesting. I was talking to Jordan Palmer the other day and he's like, you know, if you look at the offense San Francisco runs, a lot of these plays are scheme

to succeed. Sam Darnold's going to have the best protection, the best weapons, the best coach he's ever had. And we know he's a big, strong, athletic kit and coachable and hard working. He's just not accurate enough. But this system makes you more accurate. Don't be shocked if Jimmy Garoppolo's not nearly as good with the Raiders as he

was of the Niners. So brock Purty, I think the franchise likes a lot, and Sam Darnold in house, we all know at some point, and I think the Niners are and even some of the soundbites and some of the quotes from your articles, they're going to move off something if they missed. They're not going to try to double down on wrong. Let's just be honest. Could Tray Lance be moved before the season. He could, but I believe that brock Purty's injury and the uncertainty that still

surrounds his recovery made that much much less likely. Before the playoffs, I wrote and reported it's over. Brock Purty's the guy because they want to go with this model where they pay everybody and have the quarterback on the rookie deal. Yeah, that's that's what trading for that pick was about. That's what drafting Lance was supposed to be about. And with Purdie, the models even better. You're not even

allowed to reopen his contract for two more years. It's even cheaper than Trail as his deal, and they and he showed Kyle Shandahan. You know, people are like, well, how can you say Purty. I'm like, I'm not saying that. Kyle believes it based on what he saw from Purdy. He's the guy. So going into that Philly game for the Conference championship, the only thing that could have derailed that plan was what happened. If Rock Purty had broken his leg, it would have been brutal and it would

have hurt and it would have sucked. But they would have been like, fine, he'll come back. It's because of what happened to was throwing elbow. You're not totally sure, Ay, you're not sure when, and b you're still not positive that it's gonna be like it was before. And I have PTSD because a lot of my Twitter critics probably weren't born when I was right about the Joe Batana

Steve Young stuff. But Joe Batana missed basically two seasons after elbow surgeries, and he did come back after that and have two really really good years with the Chiefs, but nothing is promised. And so I think because of that, it gives them an opening to say, look, we knew Lance was going to take a while to develop because he was raw. It's taken longer. It didn't work when we just handed it to him last year. We ended up having to bring Garoppolo back as a hedge and

ultimately turned to Party. But maybe we can develop him and use this offseason to get him some more reps. And I don't know if this offense makes you more accurate, because you're going to have to be more accurate than or consistently accurate than Trey Lance was before he got hurt last year. But you know, there's still a lot of things to potentially like about him. So I believe what they'll do is they'll say, look, Party's not going to be here till at least the start of the season,

maybe longer. We're gonna split reps between Lance and Darnold. See how they react, see what we have. Basically, if one of them has to start the opener, it's the guy we think gives us the best chance to win. And I think one thing that people are missing here is that when they say, well, they're gonna trade tray lads and admit their mistake, Yeah, eventually they're going to admit their mistake. If it was a mistake, but they're not fielding offers to like get back in the first

round for tray Lads. And I know it only takes one team, but if they trade tray Lads now, I think it's for a three or something. And so I just don't think you have urgency too. You don't know about Pertie. You'd like another option, you'd like to see if you could develop a more because you do have a lot invested in them. You're not paying them a lot, and you could always move them, you know, a year from now, if it goes the way you wanted to

with Perty, and possibly if it does with Darnold. So I think if someone called him and said we will give you a two like something, they thought, oh yeah, they yeah. I think if someone calls it says we'll give you a three for tray Lads, they go a three. Well, let's see, we currently have ninety six picks in the third round. Ye, not all these guys are gonna make our team. I mean, I just don't think. I think I'd rather have a chance to you know, develop them

this offseason. Maybe they will. I don't even think they'll necessarily get offered to three, right now. But listen, if he goes out and looks good in the preseason and possibly earlier the season, they could get a lot more for him a year from now. So you went to cal Aaron Rodgers did. But Aaron Rodgers has gotten a little bit more indifferent and critical of the media over the last several years. And I said this on the

show today. There's a lot of reports now that this thing won't get done Jets and Packers until after the draft. So Green Bay does have a need at tied end that's fairly urgent. They'll probably draft a tight end in the first round. They need another receiver, pretty thin and young at receiver. They'll go that in the second round. But the roster is good, not great, but it's good. It's not San Francisco, it's not Philadelphia. I don't think it's as good maybe as you know a Buffalo or

as you know the top teams in the AFC. But it's a good roster. I believe that Aaron if he just came out and just said, guys, I'm in for two years minimum, it would be over. Then the Jets would be like, okay, we know it, you know it. But I said this today and I've been critical of Aaron. But Aaron's too smart to not know that once you take the most money, you won't have the best roster. He took the money. He's too smart to think, yeah, two rookie receivers, I'm not going to work with him

in the off season. That'll work great. I honestly think that we all make choices on what matters to us. You have a great family, great friends in your career. You have prioritized those and they're all strong. Some people care about their career, some people care about social life somewhat less stress. Aaron's made a decision, in my opinion, and winning. Second, what he wants is control roll over the media, over situations, over the Packers. That he could

end all this bullshit. He can end the drama, Mike. If he just said two years I'm in, I'll think about a third. Why doesn't he do that? Well, First of all, I've also made some bad decisions in terms of priorities, specifically continuing to root for cal which is you know, no, and I joke, but you know, charitably, for Aaron, I would say this, he said he was thinking about retiring, you know, very seriously recently that's what

he you know, will take up at his word. It's I think it's better not to say I've been for two years if you're not sure that you are. And sure, he could say I've been for two years and you know by December being like, oh, I'm you know, this is terrible, I'm out of here. But maybe it's to his credit that he's not sure he's in for two years. And listen, I know I know from talking to my sources that the Jets understand that there's a scenario where

he only plays one and they are not telling the packers. Sorry, man, you know, we take it or leave it. What they're saying to the packers is, look, man, you know if he comes and he plays one year, we give up all this. That seems kind of skewed. Is there a mechanism in this trade where if that happens, we get something back after he retires, And I think that's you know, they consider that a reasonable request. So yeah, Aaron could end that if he just said I'm in for two.

But maybe it's to Aaron's credit that he's not saying that because he's just not sure. Your guess how long he would play with the Jets. I think it's two. It could. You know, Aaron's career, first year as a starter in Green Bay, first year with Hackett, it has taken him usually because I've been told he's not a big grinder in the offseason like a Brady A Peyton or Russell Wilson, that Aaron's second year is usually the year he pops. Well, I don't think he wants to

do a one walk off and be average. I think I think he wants to end. It's good for his legacy, it's good for money, it's good. I think he wants to have a reviable year and I don't think his first year, frankly, is going to be great. But he doesn't consider this year one first of all, Year one with Hackett on the floor was a whole new scheme and that I believe that was a legitimate adjustment. By the way they got to the NFC Championship game. He did not have a great statistical year, but they went

thirteen to three. He got to the NFC Championship Game. But I think the way that he and the Jets are thinking of this is this is essentially year four after a gap, because it's Hackett, and because it's that offense. And it's not like Hackett plus the floor by the way attack, it plus Salo, who's like you run the offense. I'm you know, I'll keep an eye on my specialty,

which is defense. So if you believe that Aaron and Hackett are now resuming a very fruitful partnership that won consecutive MVPs their next two years together, and it's the Jets receivers and other players who are going to have to adjust to that, Aaron may not think it's he Aaron probably thinks I'm going to just be rolling for

the get go. But going back to what you said earlier, just as he made a decision not to work with the new receivers a year ago, when clearly, as Patrick Mahobes could tell you, that was an important thing to do for winning, I think that's what you need to

look at. If this trade doesn't get done Draft weekend, you will probably hear I suspect, Hey, it turns out Aaron Rodgers and Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazard and you know all those Jets targets are working out in la or somewhere and there because there's nothing to stop him. You can't say he's tampering, and you can't say Garrett

Wilson's tampering. So I think it is important to hit the ground running at year one and that that'll be the way we know if there's no trade right away or the next couple of weeks, would I would expect we'll see him and those guys for the Jets start to work together, as Mike Silver is prone to do

either strong opinions or breaking stories. There was a report about Nick Cesario, former Patriot now running the Texans, that he may be going back to New England, which would not shock me because cal McNair and I've got pretty good intel on this. It's one of the stranger owners to work within the NFL. I'll just leave it at that. It's interesting. Tell me your thoughts on that rumor, because I think Demiko Ryans is gonna now mostly run the show.

Is it a power struggle? What is it? So I piled onto this rumor today and I'll walk you through. You know, we live in this little insular, gossipy world and it is so quaint on social media or otherwise. When people say they don't leak, the forty nine ers don't leak. They don't talk, and fans think they know things and that journalists would never know things because they don't leak. Like, if you fans understood how much talking is going on at all times in our little world,

you would be you know, your mind would be. I'm not I won't reveal too many secrets, but you know what I mean. Oh yeah, So at the owners meetings recently, there are a lot of people there, including me, and a lot of drinking, lot of talking, and I heard a lot of talking about Nick as Sarrio, and I wasn't hearing, hey, I want to go back to New England. I was hearing, hey, he's out, He's gonna be out now. I didn't hear it from a source or source says

good enough to report this is happening. So I want to be clear. I heard that rumor along with other people, that Nick Cassario is going to be out after the draft, and that would presumably be a hey, we're hiring Debiko Ryans. Demiko, don't worry, we're gonna get you. Let you get your own GM. Just let's wait, let's do it after the draft. Not necessarily, Debco Ryans put a hit on him but it was just part of the process of bringing in

de Vico Ryans as I heard it now. I didn't report this because this was basically other people in our world GMS coaches the kind of people who go to owner meetings telling me, Hey, this is what I have been hearing, and they usually know things. So I didn't

report it. I just stood on it. Then some rumor reports of rumors started coming out, so finally I piled onto a tweet from Mike Florio who said the rumor is next Casserio blah blah blah, and I said, to further flesh out that rumor, the talk is that the Texans would then target forty nine Ers assistant general manager Adam Peters. So I guess I'm now piling onto a

report of a rumor. It's not reporting this is happening, but I am reporting that there's a lot of talk that Nickosserio, none of his own volition, would be gone after the draft, and that Damiko Ryan's guy that they would want is Adam Peters. They've obviously worked together in San Francisco. Adam Peters is a very well regarded personnel guy who took his name out of the hat when Tennessee and Arizona had their recent openings and basically said, Hey, I like it in San Francisco. I like being John

Lynch's number two. I'm good for now. Now. That could have been theoretically with knowledge that hey, he's and is looking like it might happen. That could have happened independently, or these could all be rumors, But I don't think. I think there was so much talk that at least this is being pondered. Um, all right, let's pivot to you're going to cover some games for the San Francisco Chronicle. You're good friends with Steve Kerr. They're easily the most

interesting team in the league. So first of all, tell the audience most No, many don't your relationship with Kerr, who I covered in Portland and you've known for years. Well so back when I was learning about journalism in high school, they would have told you you have you can't cover you know a guy or a team that you love and you know we as you know, we don't root for teams the way fans do. That's not a thing. But I have to go full disclosure on Steve Kerr, and he could he knows how I was

taught because he and I we're high school journalists. Together. We co wrote a sports column for our high school paper in Los Angeles. The paper was called The Palisades Tideline. Our column was called the Rip Tide, and it lived down to its name. Trust And you know he is. You know, he's a very good friend of mine, an awesome person, and as we do with friends, I stick up for him. I'm so proud of all the things about it, including his coaching. So it's I can't be

an objective person when it comes to him. But there's another wrinkle to this. I did grow up in Los Angeles, but I was like the only Warrior fan at our school because I was born in San Francisco, So I got clowned by everyone, including Steve Kerr for being the Warrior guy. So the deliciousness of all of this and the run of the last nine years a lifelog Warrior fan working for NFL Network for most of it, so I didn't have to worry about journalism because I don't

cover basketball and Steve it's been an incredible ride. Well, now I'm at the San Francisco Chronicle. I am a columnist, and though columnists give their opinion. You know, we cover things. And so now I've been this weird position where it's like I'm not really a Warrior fan anymore because I'm a columnist, but I grew up one. I've been one for all these cur years. And of course I am

rooting for my friend. So I am going to write the first of several Warrior columns that it's I'm gonna write it after this podcast and probably to borrow boarding, and I'm gonna go full disclosure. Steve Currs, my boy, here are some things I love about them. But you know, of course, what Steve and I talk about this stuff a joke. I've always like, yeah, dude, I'm gonna say the game has passed you by. If the Warriors know, anyone could coach the Warriors, but it's time for a change,

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