Colin Cowherd Podcast - KD/Suns Takeaways, Dave Wannstedt on Bears Fields Decision, Bryce Young Size Q’s, Rodgers Darkness Drama

the same game parlay. Tryout Same Game Parlay plus today, start making every moment more and download the Fan Duel app today. Hi, everybody, and welcome in. It is the Monday Morning Podcast. Dave Juanstead got some Chicago Bear talk, some NFO combine talk, some draft talk, Dallas cowboy chatter. Let's start with this for ten minutes. So the last two years I have watched less and less NFL combine and I'm going to describe right now. And this could

bore some of you. But one of the reasons I love coming on this podcast that it's different than my show podcast is I can take on topics and discuss things that I would never discuss obviously on my show, I'm going to talk a little bit about the process of the way I do this business. So I've always said, you drive the bus. I'm not loyal to platforms and

I'm not loyal to leagues. When I started in this business, I did a lot more college football than it got very regional, and over the last seven eight nine years, with Alabama and Clemson's dominance, I did less college football. This year, I did more college football than I've ever done because I thought the West Coast had a little bit of a renaissance. Michigan had a renaissance. So I want the Michigan's and the USCS and the Notre Dames to be viable, not just three southern schools. And so

I talked more college football. And the ratings went up in college football. So fifteen years ago I moved off baseball. Why because I watched the ratings, and I watched slowly the attendants go down, and the ratings go down, and the social currency go down. And so I am loyal to what you're watching. Okay, it's like it's a it's a grocery store. What you're buying, I'm selling. And so

the NFL combine doesn't get huge ratings. But in the last couple of years I used to already be into it, not as much as the draft, of the season, or the playoffs or college football. But I liked combine. It's a beauty page and I always understood that. But when Sean McVay says, I'm not going this year, Bill Belichick, Matt Lafleur, I'm not going. I had a conversation with a general manager in the NFL earlier last week, and you know, I threw out my theory to him. That

was I said, if you told a young person. Trent Dilford told me this years ago, seventy five percent of NFL players to love football. They love what football provides for them, but they don't really love football. Tony Gonzalez, the Hall of Fame tight end, once told me he thought three percent of players loved the game. Loved the game, not the lifestyle, the game and putting in the effort for the game. And so one of the things I've thought a lot about what the combine is. I think

more teams get fooled than actually find a gym. Because if you go to the last ten drafts and you look at some of the great combine performances, teams are over drafting players, and so when you combine some of the reaches in the draft with Dilfer and Tony Gonzalez's theory,

let me just throw this out to you. If I told you, listen, if you work really hard for the next eight to ten weeks and get in the best shape of your life, you're going to be richer than you ever dreamed, and you're going to go first or second round, even though a year ago you were thought

of as a third or a fourth rounder. Would you put in the work, of course, you would much different than playing a season then working out in Arizona or Miami at an academy for eight to ten weeks, prepping for the interviews, getting abs back, putting in the time that you would have to put in on a daily basis if you're an NFL player. So you get these guys that come in and they're in the best shape of their life, they have been. They know exactly the

questions they'll be asked. And I think what happens is people get fooled, People get absolutely fooled. And I think it's just it's our human nature. If we're going to be rewarded. We're gonna really focus. And that's why to me Belichick, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur, I'm gonna pass. They don't want to get fooled. Go watch game tape. Game tapes the truth because you have to play hurt in games, you have to play against people that are bigger and

stronger than you. How do you react to that. That's the NFL, that's real game tape in the SEC or Big ten, that's real, a real performance, not ten to twelve weeks working out in Arizona and Miami getting in the greatest shape of your life, therefore getting a pay day soon thereafter in the NFL draft. It's not real life. And I think for all of us, I want to see your actual resume job performance. What were you like for four to five years at your job? Not prepping

for an interview with me. Players now prep for the wonder lick. You can practice the wonder lick. It used to be if a guy scored high, it was just he was brilliant. Now guys score in the thirties. And I think some of the times, I'm like, I don't know, they make really bad decisions. As a quarterback. How do they get a thirty six on the wonderlick? So I see the numbers for the combine, I've peeled back on my combine top. I just don't think it's as relevant

as I thought it was years ago. And I'll give you another example of this is college basketball. So twenty years ago, I was working in local sports. Twenty five years ago, I was in Las Vegas covering Jerry Tarkanian in UNLV. College basketball was, arguably, along with college football, my favorite sport. Us to be much more into college

sports twenty five years ago. Now I like college football more, but college basketball I have waned over the last ten to twelve years, and for the obvious reasons, the numbers have plummeted. People still watch the tournament in the brackets, but they don't watch the regular season, and there's a reason for it. It's confusing. It is such a transactional sport. Now the very best players, in fact, the two best players in this year's NBA draft are not even playing college.

They've opted out of college. You know, many of the other great players are international. None of us have a visceral connection to them. We don't watch them play in Duseldorf, Lithuania, and then maybe the eight or ten best college players. They just stay one year in college. So at the time you meet him in March Madness, they're they're off to the pros. So that makes it less unless you live in a Spokane or an East Lancing or a

Louisville and you've got your team you just love. For the majority of the audience that watches me, they don't, and so it's just a turnstyle of players. Now, over the last two years, we've added the transfer portal. Well, it's insane. Literally, every there's three hundred and sixty Division one programs, half the rosters are now leaving to go somewhere else. So the transactional nature of college basketball, between the one and done culture and the transfer portal, I

think really hurts the sport. And I don't think there's any coming back. I just it's hard to follow. Now. I will say this, I've watched UCLA, which is eight minutes from my house. I've watched them play three to four times. They're as good as anybody I've seen in the country. There's my expert opinion. I've watched Perdue three or four times. There is a good as anybody not named UCLA. I've watched Duke in Kansas three or four times. Very good teams don't think they're as good as Perdue

or UCLA. But the Big Ten doesn't have a history of win a national title. If you have to go back a long way to remember the last Big Ten national champ. So this all goes back to the process of what I do I really follow you? So right now my shows on FS one Premiere are about sixty percent NFL sixty five, about twenty five percent NBA, a lot of an April, May in June, and then I'm about five to eight percent college football. I include the

Draft in that coverage. I'll cover the World Cup, I'll cover a big fight, you know, an unbelievable Masters gets a segment or two, little bit of March madness. But I find the NFL combine in college basketball. I'm not loyal to platforms and I'm not loyal to events. You tell me what you like, and I think people in the NFL are realizing with the combine, you're as likely or more likely to get fooled by the combine as you are find a gem or a diamond in the rough.

All right. So I watched the couple of NBA games I watched flying from Portland, Oregon, back to LA I was in Portland over the weekend. I watched the Mavericks and the Suns. The entire game. I called it. Kd's good. Nobody saw that coming. He's a really easy fit with Phoenix. Phoenix isn't great to offensively, and it's going to be an issue, and they're not terribly deep little Cameron Payne here.

The bench goes about too deep, maybe three deep, but they don't have a ton off the bench, and I do think it'll probably be their undoing against the team that's much deeper, like you know, a Golden State with the Clippers. Clippers have their own issues now with Westbrook. But my takeaway is I really believe that Dallas would be fun to watch but have defensive liabilities. Fact it's true, and that Phoenix would be really good and they're better defensively,

so they're going to start winning and winning quickly. But Kevin Durant is so much more than an offensive player, and isn't it interesting to watch him? Kyrie and Westbrook all go to new teams and how easy it looks for Kevin Durant. He is the best plugin play guy on the planet. He doesn't need the ball, he doesn't need the ball early in the rotation. Get him the ball five seconds on the clock, you're going to get a great look. Phoenix is a really interesting team. I

think they're going to have to win some shootouts. I think they'll win a series or two. Devin Booker and Kevin Durant or two of the top ten offensive players in my opinion in the NBA. But I think depth will be a little undoing and their defense, which is saw against the Mavericks. Also watched the Warriors play the Lakers. Great effort by the Lakers. Anthony Davis Again, what's frustrating is when he's on, when he's engaged, when he's healthy, he's a monster. He is a monster. He made a

great basket late against Draymond Green on the baseline. It really sealed the game as the Warriors that hit a couple of threes and roared back. Lake Hares got off to a good lead. Never look back shorthanded Without Lebron, you know, it's a more legitimate roster. Lonnie Walker had some moments. Reeves had some moments and Anthony Davis was amazing.

I think Golden State's going to be fine. Steph didn't shoot the ball particularly well, but their ball movement, their spacing continues to be a marvel and the best in the league. I just think when I watched the Warriors, Steph's not quite there yet. But the passing, and I watched the last four or five Warrior games, the passing is immediately exceptional. The minute Steph Curry is back, the pace is better, the passing is better. He was just a little off. And if you're not watching the Warriors,

Clay Thompson is having himself a year. He's not the defender he used to be. Dude is having himself one of the best years of his career. But it was a nice win for the Lakers shorthanded, it's a real roster now. And again I've said before, if they played Denver first round, I would take the Lakers in six or seven games. I really would. I think when Anthony Davis is dialed in, there's just not many guys like him. I remember years ago I was covering a Laker Blazer series.

It was Shaq Kobe went seven games, Lakers won. It's the iconic Kobe to shack Alley Slam. I was right behind that basket, and I remember during that series. I've told this story before. I asked Phil Jackson, how do you defend at Rashid Wallace? And he said, we don't. We don't really any way to stop Rashid Wallace. And I think on most nights in the NBA, there's no real way. I mean, Draymond Greene was ineffective and he's the best defender in the league. There's no real way

to defend Anthony Davis. He can give you thirty five a night if he if he plays thirty six minutes, he is an absolute force. And I thought it was as good a game as he's had. And this is why they brought him to Los Angeles. Lebron was aging. Lebron plays fewer minutes, Lebron's gonna get dinged up in miss games. So one of the games of the year for Anthony Davis. Got help from Reeves Lonnie Walker, but a nice w for the Lakers. Playing well, playing well

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lowest price guaranteed. All Right, my buddy Dave Jonstat, former Chicago bearhead coach, Dolphins head coach coordinator for the Cowboys when they won Super Bowl twenty seven, a friend, and by the way, still is all over Chicago media and kicking ass and taking names. So I'll be in Chicago here not long from now. You know how much I love the city. I've said about Justin Fields here here's my concerned. I know he's a big, strong athlete. I know he's a good kid. I do worry with a

defensive coach. You see a lot of these young quarterbacks who do well they have an offensive coach. The game's changed. All the rules now are against defense. It's almost it's almost unfair to be a defensive coach. Camp. You can't coach inn in the middle of the Field's all offense now. And I think my bigger problem with Justin Fields is, I know he's a great athlete, but year three, Russell Wilson ran around for two years. Kider Murray ran around

for two years, so did Lamar this year. Year three, to me, Dave is the year a young quarterback who runs has got to sit in the pocket, because I do think your legs buy you a couple of years. I've said this for the light to go on, Russell Wilson, Mahomes all say it's year three, the game slows down, the lights go on. I think I would keep Justin Fields.

I wouldn't draft another quarterback, but I do think he's got to show me something by Thanksgiving or I'm having meetings with the owner and the GM and moving on your thoughts on where we are with well, you know, the whole thing in Chicago, and that's why I was so excited. And I'm really it's disappointing that Philadelphia in my opinion, because I thought Philadelphia would win the Super Bowl. But in my mind, the blueprint for the Chicago Bears

is the Philadelphia Eagles. I really believe this. I mean, you look for Hey, it wasn't long ago, two years ago. I'm doing a show on Fox or one of those stations, and I thought that he would be beat out. Talking about Jalen Hurts, I did not think he would finish the starter as at the end of the year with the Philadelphia Eagles. I thought that he was not going to be the guy. And what did they do. They add to the offensive line, they get they signed a

j Bron, a big receiver. They draft a receiver in Smith, and all of a sudden, this guy is one of the better players in the league. I really believe that the Bears can do that. Tyree Kill with the Dolphins himself is making more money than the entire receiver group of the Chicago Bears. I mean, he didn't have a whole lot of help. He truly didn't. I thought they did everything they couldn't give him a chance, But I

think the blueprint for the Bears is Philadelphia Eagles. So would you go out, for instance, if you kind of look at the positions that matter, because I will say this, I think Claypool and Mooney are good number two or three receivers, commits, a solid tight end, the backs are serviceable. I would you go out if you're the GM and go get a number one receiver DeAndre Hopkins, Go get a number one edge rusher. Those two things are paramount. And then they drafted a good corner and a safety

last year. The secondary is better and then you got like, you know, you got all your picks. But if you were going to spend your money, if you look at positions that matter, go get a star receiver for Justin because I think Mooney's a very capable two or three. Claypools a three years and commit. It's a really nice tight end. So would you if with Ryan Poles, would you say, listen, we're gonna go buy an edge rusher. That's what Russell Wilson got, and we're gonna go buy

a star receiver. And then I think the defense, I think the old line, there's some really nice old lineman, second third, round. Is that kind of how you would attack it? Now, you know what calling and I've talked to I've thought about this and watching college and watching these guys. We know that they have more free agent money to spend than anybody in the league. Okay, I would spend free agent money on veteran, proven offensive lineman. I would use my draft picks for defense. I really would.

If I could get a proven or two offensive lineman. They could come in here and they say, this guy is a difference maker, an outstanding player. I would spend money to do because I'll tell you what, in my opinion, young offensive lineman, they're not getting developed in college like they were back in the day because of the rules. You can't hit, you can't have contact, and that's the only way you get better as an offensive lineman. And that and the same things happened in the NFL. So

you know, you can get a young defensive guy. You know he's athletic, he's fast, teach him, see get him aggressive, and these guys can be stars early mix up Parsons as an example, there's a lot of defensive guys I would focus in. I would spend big time money on a receiver if I was the Bears a free agent, and I would go get an offensive lineman and spend money, and I would focus in on the draft with my

early picks. You know, it's interesting you say that because the truth is, even great offensive players, great tight ends, great quarterbacks, it's choreography on offense, whereas defense is speed, the ability to blow stuff off. React like let's say you get an edge, you get Will Anderson, Well, shit, you just solve your edge rusher, I mean honestly. And then to your point, the draft, in the first two

rounds they got a first to say I have two fifths. Yeah, I could see DeAndre Hopkins in elite tackle and just load up on defense. You know, I will say this. Their first two picks last year they got a corner and a safety, both nice players, both were really good, played a lot, and eber Flews as a defensive coordinator.

Probably one of his strengths is teaching football. Ye. So, but years ago I was talking to I think Chris Ballard or it was it was somebody, and he was saying, you know, it's this league, even for great offensive players, it's hard, Dave. You know that it takes two to three years from Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. Yeah, I was at down was with Troy Aikman. It took It was Troy's third year when he when he started coming along. You know, so I even back in the day, it

took time. Took Terry Bradshaw longer than that. We know the story with him. But you know, you look at the this thing and the Bears are going to run the ball because of a defensive head coach. You can say what you want out there are people and this is not because I'm defense, but defensive head coaches number one, that they understand the importance of field position. They understand the importance of keeping your defense rested manageable. First, Don's

most defensive coaches believe in the running game. And the Bears have an offensive staff right now that hey obviously one of the top two teams running the football in the NFL. They know how to run the ball. I think life can become real easy or a lot easier for justin Fields when he gets some good weapons around him. I really do. I think I think there's a lot of upside here. And you know what, one other point I'll get off this in Chicago, you're got to be

a different type of guy. This kid got beat up, okay, I mean physically beat up. It's a tough city to play in. It's real tough to be the quarterback in this time. I mean, I've lived at coaching here and this guy went up there in ten degree temperatures, beat up, and he went out on that field and he laid it on the line. Some cities that means nothing. In the city of Chicago, that carries a lot of weight

for a player, particularly your quarterback. So when Sean Payton would come on the show with me this year on Mondays, he said, you know, Parcels used to say your first fifteen picks, do not take an undersized player, regardless of position. Tua is not a top fifteen pick. Kyler Murray now we're finding, doesn't want to get hit. Jalen Hurts, great player, second round, Drew Brees, second round. Smaller players. I mean, you know, Dave Half this league is undrafted. So I

look at Bryce Young. He's five ten and a half, that's about three inches short, and he's gonna weigh I mean in the combine, he's over two hundred. He ate a lot of steaks and a lot of potentials. Yeah, yeah, you know that he's gonna play at one ninety six. What do you do with him? I do think he's the most I think he has want two things. I'll say he's accurate and Dave. I watched them in high

school in college. His pocket awareness is fantastic. He has an absolute feel for the pocket, which I think Dave is in need. And eight, I don't think you can teach it. Some guys never Sam Darnold love him, never feels it. Ever, he runs away too early. He doesn't see it. Bryce Young's pocket awareness is a plus. Plus. He's small. He does to me. He doesn't work in Chicago, a windy, cold northern environment, but God, Houston, Dave, Atlanta a dome Dave. I don't know. How do you pass

him up? No? I think that you know. I talked to him about eight. I'm a member of the thirty thirteen. Okay, parcels actually got it started and we were talking on there. There was five or six general manager on there, and they talked to people around the lead GM's personnel people more than I do. And there is a real split feeling on these quarterbacks. I mean, they bryce young you're talking about in the right situation. But after this combine

workout c J. Stroul. There's some people like there's one guy that was talking about Will Levins, how they like how he gets the ball out and for their style of offense, he would be perfect, you know. And then the Richardson's kid, I mean, he's got all the intangibles. I guess I have never studied him one year doing it makes me a little nervous with him. But the point is that there's not in NFL general manager's minds. There's not a Trevor Lawrence in this opinion. So you know,

I would not be surprised. I mean, I think that it'll be Bryce Young, But I don't know. I mean, I've heard a lot of different stories, and it's a matter of who's gonna fit in your offense. You talked about the different cities, the mentality of your offense. Uh, you know, it's it's gonna be real interesting. I don't know any negatives except the size. Look at you know,

Drew Brees. People passed on him, we did at the Dolphins because of his size, but he was very accurate at when he was at Purdue and he moved into pocket. He drew Brees did a lot of things that Bryce Young does. He really does without as good as supporting cast like I have an Alabama no you know I said this in the preamble to this interview about the Combine. Belichick, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur have said, Nah, I'm not going

to go. Here's what I worry about, Dave. When you play a college or a pro football season, you're hurt by week three. Nobody's healthy. You match up against guys that are bigger and stronger than you. I want to see game tape. I worry it's a complete cottage industry. Now coach prepping for the Wonderlick, prepping for the Combine. Shit. I think he get fooled. I think Belichick has been

fooled by players. These guys come in, Dave. If I went to you right and Trent Dilford said something to me years ago, he goes, seventy five percent of these guys don't love football. They love what football provides for them. And I was told by my agent, get in the best shape of your life. You'll never have to work. You're going to be a late first rounder. Dave. I look at the combine now I think he get fooled a lot. I see some of these combined beauty pageant contestants.

I mean, where did you fallen on it? You know, I agree with you, well, it wasn't It wasn't the extreme back then as it is now. But I work. I won't give the names. I've worked with about four or five agents in Naples, Florida, in your own stomping grounds, and they would bring in your college players and one of the challenges I had was get him to draw

the circles, called them. Picture this on a board, the circles of an offensive formation where one guy was drawn, you know, the size of a dinner plate, and the other guy, and then next to him was the guard, who was the size of a quarter. I mean, you know, prepping him. So at the end of this week, all I did was what you're talking about. This is how you got to answer the questions. This is how when he drawing the board, this is what you gotta draws.

So you're one hundred percent right, And these guys are getting scold yes from the agent. But there's a lot of guys like mine, ex coaches that are spending a lot of time with these guys. I sat in those meetings for over fifteen years as a head coach and a GM and head coach at the Dolphins. I asked those questions. I know what the coaches want to hear when the tape goes on and you make them mistake, I know exactly what they don't want to hear too. So I mean, I'm one of those guys that's been

been scold them. You're one hundred percent right, Yeah, no, I mean shit, there's a real industry out there for a Dave wants that Dave. Here's a lot of money eats these kids circles, how to draw circles. Looking to get more out of the NBA season, Well, now is the perfect time to download fan Duel, America's number one sports book. Right now, new customers get a no sweat first bet up to a thousand dollars. That's free bets back if your first bet doesn't win. The promo code

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love I love all of it. I'd have you know, I would have to hire an attorney to be my capologist. But I love I love building teams. I love the draft, and I have since I was, you know, in my teens twenties, and I've always had this theory about the NFL pay big money infrequently that almost oh is the answer is outside of quarterback, rush, end, increasingly starwide, receiver

and maybe corner. Dave. I think there's like forty five positions in the world now and I didn't used to include receiver, but because the rule changes, I do quarterback, left tackle, receiver, ed rusher, corner. I would love a really good mic linebacker to call my signals. It's not it's you know, it's not. I don't have to have it. But most great defenses have had a really great, heady

middle linebacker. But I look at this stuff when you look at San Francisco in Philadelphia, is there an argument to be made that you just keep drafting quarterbacks and load up your roster. And if you draft a quarterback every year, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, you're gonna find a brock Purty. You're gonna find You're gonna find a guy out there. And what you want is just a great roster until you find a star quarterback, which they're

seven on the planet. Because I look at the Niners and I think, hell, I don't care who quarterbacks next year, they're in twelve games. Well, you know, you're making some interesting points. I just had a great conversation this week with Mike Gettings junior, who his dad started Pro Scout, And they do the color coach to blue, the red, gold, and they rate every player. Not it doesn't matter which you were two years ago, it's how did you perform

this year? And do you know, over the last ten years, according to their service, every quarterback that's gone to the Super Bowl has played at a blue level except one. According to them, back in twoy fifteen, Peyton Manning played at a red. That's the year that he went out and he was hurt. His neck was bothering him at Denver and they won the Super Bowl. I'm talking about Super Bowl when he coach. Now here's the other stat It's really interesting. There has not been a blue left

tackle in the last ten years. Now, when I say blue, you're gonna say, oh wait, Orlando Brin with Kansas City. He's a great player. He is a great player, but this year he didn't play at a blue level. What's the tape? And that's the conversation I'm heading with diet did But he said the positions that must be playing at a blue level to win a Super Bowl over the last ten years. Your defensive ends, your corners, and your quarterback. Those are the positions. Now you want, you

gotta have thirteen blue players. Got they get too deepeness for our viewers. But you gotta have average thirteen Blues on your team to win a Super Bowl. That's what most Super Bowl teams have. Okay, blue means that they're playing at the highest level. So Brock Purdy, he might not be talent wise Patrick Mahomes, but if Kyle Shanahan can get him playing at a blue level where he's not tearing the ball over, he's completing seventy percent of his passes, right, I mean, he's doing the things that

you have to do. If you're you know, a top quarterback in this league, you know, then you got a chance to win a Super Bowl. So it's it's a real interesting concept. And him and I were talking about it because you know, I was talking about some of the Bear stuff, you know, you know, you know red players, blue players, because Ryan Poles was talking about it on the radio. How many blue players they need to get. They don't have very many, if any at the Bears,

and so we were just talking about those numbers. But it's an interesting stat you brought up, Purty. My point is you have to have a quarterback, not blue talent wise, understand, but play at a blue level, YEP, to win a Super Bowl. That's been that way for the last ten years, and I don't think it's going to change. So when you start and look at the teams that can win Super Bowls, you got to look at the quarterback, pass rushers, and corners. That's your starting point. So Aaron Rodgers goes

on a darkness retreat, you know, My takeaway is. I'm pretty new school on this. I got fairly young kids. Whatever it takes for you to get your mind clear. Shit, I don't care, Dave. If you got to go to therapy when the season ends, go take six weeks, go find yourself. But I've had this belief for a long time that far Of and Aaron are really similar. That the lack of an owner allows the quarterback for the Packers,

if talented, to essentially run the franchise. And because green Bay is the smallest market, if they're bad at quarterback, they're not on television. In my childhood seventies and eighties, the pack were never on television, right they I mean they really weren't. And I think they're paralyzed by it.

If there if there was a Jerry Jones or an owner in Green Bay, and and and Aaron said I'm going to go into darkness retreat, he'd say, well, when you're done with that, I want an answer, Or you're going to go into darkness retreat, I'm going to send you to the Jets. You'll be dark for the rest

of your career. You tell me when when you were with Jerry or Wayne Hyazinga, go back to all your owners, were there moments that an owner was actually really important to set a precedent, to be a voice to hold people accountable. Because Farvan Aaron have gone on this retirement threat tour both of them for the last five years

of their careers. Yeah, I would say no, I mean, I mean, that's probably not the answer you want to hear, but quite honestly, you know, I was at Miami when Wayne Heizeka hired me and Dan Marino was at the end of his career, and the first job that I had was Gwynn and sit down and talked to Dan, who I knew was a fellow pit guy University of Pittsburgh, and tell him that we were changing offenses and I didn't see there being a fit that he could be on the team, but we were going to go a

different direction on and on have chan daily who was going to do a lot of movement stuff, not to drop back. We were changing the Don Shula offense. When Jimmy was there, he kept that pretty much in place. I was completely getting a new playbook and so I kind of went through that. Wayne Heizinka was never involved with it. Jerry Jones, when I was at the Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson was there. Jerry Jones was never involved in what was going on with Troy Ankin. Never it

would have never happened. Jimmy would have left earlier if that was the case. I mean he would he wouldn't have put up with it. So I wouldn't buy that. I Does it bother you? Does it bother you that Aaron has sort of a laws a fair attitude on updating the Packers? Yeah? It does because last year we made a commitment to him. I mean we really did.

And yeah, it's a two way street. I get that because we kind of went through the same thing last year and we made this big commitment, big money commitment. So it does bother me. I personally think he'll end up back there. I mean, yeah, you know, there's a hook to go maybe with the Raiders with Davante Adams because he's a buddy of his. There's a hook to go with Hackett to the Jets because it might be

a similar offense. But I don't think Aaron Rodgers wants a lot of change, and he knows what he's getting in Green Bay with Lafloor. He knows the offense, he knows the receivers. You know, I don't know, he knows what he wants to do. Talk about a guy as an offseason routine. Now, all of a sudden, you go to the Jets and they want you in the weight room four days a week. You know, I mean, routines change. That is not gonna fin That was the biggest thing with Dan Marino and Dan and I talked about it.

I says, Hey, it ain't gonna be like it was. Dan. You know, we're gonna start OTAs like Tamar and we're gonna get in odd in the offseason program. Tamarrow, whoa coach. I got offseason commitments, and I go. Dan had a lot of stuff going on, you can imagine, and it's been that way. He deserved it for years, and all of a sudden we were gonna change that. The routine change in his mind, I think was as much as anything.

I think that's gonna play a part in this with Aaron Rodgers at the end of the day, I truly do Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, you drafted Jordan Love in the first round. At some point you have to pay. You don't want to pay him before you've seen if he can play and you know, he's a tough one to sign. So because if you make a trade for Aaron Rodgers, Okay, if I'm at the Jets, the packers are gonna want multiple picks. Well, it can't be multiple picks.

This is a one year deal. In their minds, We'll give you something for one year, and then if it happens the next year, maybe we'll do something for the next year. But I think it's a tough sell to get somebody to give up a lot to get Aaron Rodgers. Think about it when you're when you're back of your mind, you're thinking, this could be a one and done situation.

If he didn't like it at Green Bay whin an MVP's you know, he could surely have a problem with us with the new system and new players, a new city, a new place to live, news media. I mean, so it's a one year deal in my mind if I'm on the other end thinking of giving up something for Aaron Rodgers. All right, Finally, where'd you go to dinner last night in Chicago? Because I'm gonna be there in a few weeks. You know. You know what's funny, You

and I love you can't go right? You and I love the same two cities you and I love Chicago. In Naples, Florida, it's my favorite. I love him. I went to Cafano's over in Little Italy. Joey DeBono owns it. It's been his grandfather started in nineteen thirty. Why can't I go there? It's well, I was kidding you. I was kidding you. You can definitely go there, Bet, I'll tell you what. The only thing about the finals, it's

it's my favorite Italian place. No menus. When the grandmother used to write what they were cooking, she would write it on the chalkboard, And right now there's chalkboards in there, no menus to look at. And it's all cash. And if you order a glass of wine, they bring it to you in a little old glass and put the bottle on a thing that you know what you're going to get, you know what. So I'm going to Naples next weekend. So I can't get into Truelocks. You'd think

i'd have some pull. I can't get into that damn place. There's never an opening. You know, Naples. You can't get into any restaurants. Where do you want to go? Text me? I'm serious and today. She goes, is Dave Is Dave and his wife going to be down there? And she and I said, you know, I said, no, they're not. And I was thinking, because shit, Dave will get me in anywhere nobody cares about him. Me. I'm a talk show host. You're a former NFL coach. Oh, I know,

I lived there for twenty six years. I owned a restaurant. Do Handsome Harries. That's it, true story to our audience. So I was talking to Dave once and we were talking about Naples and he goes, oh, I have a place down there. I said, you know, my favorite place to have a cocktail is Handsome Harry's. And Dave's like, yeah, I owned it. I love that place. Yeah, yeah, here we go. All right. Yeah, let me know when you come to Chicago, we'll go to the Pantos. I'll take

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