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All right, everybody, Jason McIntyre is going to join me, Yes that Jason McIntyre. J Mack from The Herd is going to join me in about five minutes as we get ready. A lot of subjects, some gambling stuff which he's always been into, the New York Times disbanding their sports section which nobody actually read. All that stuff will be coming up first though, presented by Netflix and their
upcoming docus series Quarterback, which I can't wait to watch. So, you know, I asked Jimmy Johnson years ago about leadership and what is leadership and he didn't have an answer for it, but he said Troy Aikman was a leader, but he couldn't pinpoint what it was. And you know, one of the first times I was really impressed with Dak Prescott and I wasn't blown away with him. I watched him play at Mississippi State. I thought he was
a better thrower than t Bow. But I'm like this guy, you know, there was a reason he got picked in the fourth round. Dan Mullen once told me, the former Mississippi State coach, they never thought he was, you know, an NFL quarterback. But one of the things that impressed me very early on with him is Dak Prescott's in tangibles and Dez Bryant, who basically the Cowboys had to
babysit out of college. They had to have a security team, which I'm not sure if Dez has ever acknowledged that or admitted, you know, that's just a lot for a team to have to worry about that after college. You're
not prepared to like stay out of trouble. It was hard for the Cowboys security detail around the clock, and Dak Prescott had to deal with that right out of the gate, goes thirteen and three as a rookie and had that poppy hovering over him, and it was That's the kind of thing that explains Dak Prescott's mental toughness.
He's dealt with injuries, He's dealt with criticism, he dealt with the COVID season, He's dealt with some controversy, and Dak Prescott has always been his very strongest in those moments. He's not an elite arm talent.
He's not.
He's athletic, but not super mobile. His arm's fine, it's not special. He's accurate enough, but not elite. He's a BB plus quarterback. But he dealt with des Bryant and the neediness and the high maintenance and it didn't get in the way of wins before the Cowboys finally just said enough is enough, as they should have. It's going to be interesting to watch Josh Allen with Stefan Diggs. No, Stefan Diggs, in my opinion, is a better player than
des Bryant and is not nearly that difficult. But with both Kirk Cousins and with Josh Allen after couple years, you see the theatrics and you hear the concerns, and Buffalo is clearly if you watch the draft or receiver a tight end free agency, they went out and got another running back. They're trying to be less reliant on Stefan Diggs. This is where leadership will come in with Josh Allen. Now, Josh is a better athlete than Dak Prescott, bigger arm, more mobile, better athlete up and down the
board aaaa plus AA. But leadership is Dak's strength. And when you can be a great player and a great talent and a great leader Mahomes or Burrow, that's when you separate. To this point, we know Josh Allen is a great athlete. This will be the leadership here dealing with Stefan Diggs in this drama. And at some point Tom Brady went to Bill Belichick when they got rid of Randy Moss. Tom Brady was not shocked by it. Obviously, Brady had discussions with Josh McDaniels Bill Belichick. Right, those
don't go public. But they didn't just walk in and say Randy's gone. It's not the way it works. Tom was too powerful. Even though he and Belichick weren't close, you know they would come to him. Sometimes you have to take a step back in talent. The best Patriot teams were not the ones with Moss. It was the teams where you had reliable wide receiver, tight end targets, reliable, choreographed you knew where they would be talents. So the NFL,
the margins are too tight for drama. The noisiest team every off season is one of the more disappointing teams every off season. So I'm really interested to watch Josh Allen this year. First time, real drama, A real talented but at times difficult teammate that is crucial to the offense. I've seen Dak deal with stuff like this. Plus best part about Dak are these moments Josh is the better talent.
How will he react to it?
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So I remember I lived in Connecticut nine years ago, and I remember exactly where I was. I was in my driveway. I was on my cell phone and you and I would talk about once a month about business and stuff. And I said to you, I said, just be patient, we'll work together. I said, I respect you. You like the right stuff. You're not overly dramatic, you have a sense of humor. I'm like, you probably don't
remember this call, but I do. I remember we had a gravel driveway, and so it was probably ten years because it took us a year to fix said and all the gravel would get stuck in our tires. So we made it, you know, Cement. And I said to you, I said, you're gonna this thing's gonna work. Like all these bloggers, moster full of shit. They don't break any stories. And I had gone to my ESPN bosses and I said, whoever runs the big lead, he's actually breaking stories. He's
not just aggregating stuff like he breaks stories. Do you remember me telling you, and this is probably ten or eleven years ago, that we were going to work together. I can, I say, I vaguely recall that, Colin. I know we would have conversations from time to time about the industry, the business, which way it was headed. Could you could already see kind of the tea leaves were shifting. Things were moving kind of quickly but also slowly, the same way cable's erosion is happening.
Now.
You could kind of see how blogs, which had kind of disrupted newspapers and sports, all of a sudden, blogs start to get phased out as social media pops up. And I could kind of see like, Okay, we're making money on the big lead. Things are going well, but yeah, I need to start thinking about what's next for me, what's next in my career. And when you mentioned TV, I was like, well, geez, I didn't go to college for that. You know, Am I going to be prepared?
And I think you. I recall you telling me, hey man, you've got nothing to worry about. Just be yourself. And that's kind of been a lot of the advice you've given me. Just be yourself. You do your homework, you're well researched, be ready when your numbers called. You know, I feel like that pinch hitter in the dugout, waiting for that opportunity and then the coach says, all right, get on deck. You're up to bet. And you always got to be ready.
So the New York Times disbanded their sports department. You and I talk a lot off the air. It's probably our primary discussion off the air is either rumors in sports or rumors in our industry. So when they bought The Athletic, it was, you know, they showed their hand. It wasn't going to be the New York Times Sports department. The Athletic was going to become the sports department. I think everybody in the industry sort of knew that. I always looked at The New York Times Sports as sort
of people a little precious. If you cover bad minton, I'm not going to take you seriously. They didn't really like appear to like sports, so you know, for a global newspaper, maybe that works.
But again, I.
Think I can think Tyler Kapner did great work with baseball. I read a lot of him, But I could also think you could see this coming from one hundred miles away. They they have sports writers that like write once a month. It's a grinder's world. There's lots of people in our business who are good, they're just infrequent contributors. And as somebody that now owns a company, I need daily or bi weekly work. Were you shocked by the Times move.
No, not at all.
Like you said, there's these feature writers that was like the golden position in newspapers, right, like how you would write for Sports Illustrated. You'd like one piece, it would take you a month to write it, that would be your story. And it was like, that's a plumb job. Who wo, Who wouldn't want to work like that? But you could see The New York Times was kind of trying to zig when the industry is zagging, Like, hey, you want to read about the NBA, that's all over
the internet, radio, TV. We're going to give you all the tennis you can handle. We're going to back up the brinstruck and unload on golf and like you said, badminton, and we're going to go for kind of these peculiar stories maybe about table tennis or what have you. And yeah, they would do great investigative work. But again, it's not the kind of thing Colin, where it's just sustainable where you write one story even a week like that just
doesn't work. I mean, think about it. You when you do the Herd, you've got to lead every hour with heavy, strong takes to keep the sports fans coming. And you got to do that five days a week. Like this idea that writers and journalists could work once a week, once a month, that's just that's archaic. That stuff does not exist anymore. And you know, you see where this is headed, like this is the New York Times, you know, the one newspaper subscription that's worked. They just said no
to their sports section. It's over. So you got to start thinking about where this goes in five years and ten years. And it's not a pretty place obviously. It's almost like liberal idealistic tunnel. John Skipper figured this out at dizone. There's plenty of quotes on the internet where John made some you know, some purchases when he was at his zone and he figured out touching all the bases is irrelevant. You got to go after the big stories.
It's all anybody talks about. And John Skipper, I don't have them in front of me acknowledge that is sometimes you know, I think sometimes left leaning journalists feel like they want to touch all the bases and cover the people that don't get love.
It's over. Like the athletic I go for NFL, NBA playoff takes, UFC. You know, there's very few things. In fact, I don't even go to the athletic for UFC. I go to him for NFL, college football, NBA. Sometimes, you know, I have places I go for UFC. I mean, I basically have four sports. I love NFL, NBA, college football, and UFC. I'll pay whatever takes to get it. And then I don't really count the United States men's national team. That's like, you know, that's sort of a that's our team.
And then I like college basketball and I like baseball, but I'm not going to pay big money for him. If they're there all watch. I'll discuss infrequently, but I do think there's sometimes in the journalism world there's this sense we're going to cover all the bases and it doesn't matter. You've got to cover. You were at the big lead. You didn't I remember this. You didn't waste
a lot of time trying to appease everybody. Take me to your thought process on creating a blog that you sold for seven figures.
Well, when you try to please everybody, you please nobody, because nobody's going to be happy with your work. I'll never forget Colin. I would wake up before school every morning in around six o'clock on the East Coast. My dad would be leaving for work. He'd pick up the Washington Post from the driveway and I'd say, Dad, you know, peel me out the sports section. And I would look at the sports section and read about what happened in sports the night before, Like that's how we used to
get news. Okay, Now you wake up, your alarm to wake up is probably on your phone, and instantly you've got to run down of what happened that matters. And I know there's NHL purists who believe, like, oh man, the NHL draft was crazy. I'm sure it was, but the number of people who care about that does not matter to me. Running a website, people want to know what's going on in the NBA, NFL, college football, and then they want the other stuff like Britney Spears versus
Victor Webin Yama wackiness like that. They love those wacky stories that anyone can relate to.
Listen.
I played tennis myself a betterering a tournament later this month. I can't tell you the last story I read about tennis. Okay, I don't play a lot of golf. I know a lot of friends who play golf. They don't read golf like there is not really a lot of compelling stories in those granular sports. You've really got it. As you told me once when I got a radio show on Fox Sports Radio, play the hits. That was like your number one thing. Play the hits. You could lead with
Aaron Rodgers one day, Cowboys the next day. Play the big stories. People care about that deeply. As much as I want to bag on the Houston Texans, you know I can't open a show with that here. You know, on my podcast, I wasn't blogging much about the inferior teams in the NFL.
You got to give the people what they want.
You've also always had an eye and I've always loved it, but you've had an eye for gambling. You're very good at it. And you know, again, I try not to be precious the there's a you know, a sense that you know gambling. Be very careful about gambling. People can get hooked. The average bet when I worked with FanDuel, the average bet was four dollars. Ninety nine percent of the people are not betting what they can't handle. Are there people that can't handle that responsibility? Yes, thirty million
Americans are obese. There are people that can't handle bagels. There are people that can't handle alcohol. The disturbance rate or distortion rate for gambling is one percent. It's six percent for alcohol. Lots of people can struggle with alcohol consumption, not that many people, you know, the stories are anecdotal. There are people that get lost in it, overwhelmingly people at four or five bucks. That's what they gamble. So
you've always been pretty heady on this stuff. And I want to go to your over unders in the NFL because you and I are aligned on almost everything. The one thing or not you hate the Rams now I worry about because I have friends that work with them, about being a Homer. But I've got friends all over the Chargers, and I'm always reluctant to embrace the Chargers.
But I do think it's a head coach quarterback league, and I think there's four positions you got to get right, head coach, quarterback, somebody in your front five, defensively, and a big time weapon, and I think the Rams have all of that. I also think they're incredibly young on defense, but that's about Kansas City last year was young on defense. If you have an elite defender up front, you can be really young in your back seven because it's we
talked about this with Webbin Yama. Offense is refinement, defense is blowing shit up. Defense is about fast speed. Can you disturb the offense? Young defenses? The Jets have all sorts of young players. They're fast, they get if they get injured, they get healthier faster. So I think the Rams tend to be better than people think. What is your and again, coach, quarterback, weapon, defensive linemen like you get those four right? You can have flaws everywhere. What
is your primary concern with the Rams? Well, they're clearly top heavy.
But I do want to let me preface this by saying, I'm a big Rams fan now that I move to LA Like, Yeah, I like them, I root for them. I go to some RAMS games. I know people who are friends with Stafford in vacation with him.
I listen.
I like the Rams. I've rooted for Stafford. I like Cooper cup Colin. This team is Honestly, the Rams are closer to being in the Caleb Williams Sweepstakes than the playoffs. That's the reality. I had someone Remember how I've been saying in the show give me their defensive depth chart. I don't know anybody other than Aaron Donald.
They have.
They drafted I believe fourteen rookies and they signed twenty four undrafted players thirty eight. I don't know how many you are going to make the roster. But Colin, you look at that to depth chart, too deep chart on the defense, and it is one of the worst in the league. They are super top heavy with Stafford, who, by the way, had a major elbow thing. And I'm just saying, like I said on your show, that there's
a world where Aaron Donald maybe gets traded. Like if I'm McVeigh and I was close to retirement, what would you want to do? Keep going with this old crew, or all of a sudden you start out, you know, two and five, one and four, It's like, oh wow, I don't know what we have here. And when I'm looking at over unders, I bet the schedule. I think that under on the RAMS is one of the best bets on the board currently. I see it at six and a half. Colin, I know you like the Rams.
You know less sneed all these guys like you are way off market. Now, listen, that's not the worst thing in the world last year at this time, nobody had the Eagles winning the Super Bowl or going to the Super Bowl. You know, so you know, maybe the Rams exceed expectations. But at six and a half, it just sells me. Man, that schedule, the age on this team, you know, they could be in a lot of shootouts and being on the wrong end of a lot of them.
Okay, you're most interesting over You have the Ravens over nine and a half. My concern is of their top nine players, eight have an injury history. Of the Steelers top nine players, none do.
TJ.
Watt was banged up last year. But when TJ Watt's healthy, the Steelers win seventy five percent of their games. But you have them as an over Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Deshaun Watson should be better. There'll be an argument by Thanksgiving. It may be one of the best divisions, if not the best division in football. So where do you get ten plus wins for the Ravens. So I look at this usually you know macro sense, it's NFC overs AFC unders.
That's pretty much how I would lean because the AFC is so incredibly stacked.
Why I look at the Ravens Colin. You know, I know we've made fun of not Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson. Right, Lamar Jackson last few years has been hurt. But what's funny is with him healthy, despite how bad the supporting cast has been, They've been a first place team in November, and all of a sudden, Lamar Jackson goes down and the kind of the bottom falls out. Injuries to the offensive line, injuries to the defense, defense getting old. I
like the reinvigoration at offensive coordinator. Munket comes from Georgia, and some people have broke down on YouTube some stuff that he used to do spread offense even with Stetson Bennett. Okay, I know they had a defense that carried him to two Natties, but Stetson Bennets do some interesting things in the pocket, a lot of pre snap movement that the you know, the analytics of guys loves. And there's a world where Lamar Jackson is in play if he's healthy
for an MVP award. He's got the best supporting cast and skill position he's ever had. And you know, I think this was in a movie or something, but you know, always bet On Harball, because both Harbball b others have done a lot of winning and John Harball is just a winning coach man. This guy knows what to do. So I would lean over on the Ravens nine and a half.
So one other bet you have that's interesting, You have the Texans under six and a half. And so I have a friend who kind of deals in the world of quarterbacks college and pro and he's not judgmental. He travels around, he sees a lot of them, and he was recently at an event where CJ.
Stroud was at.
The event Texans rookie quarterback, and his takeaway was, I don't get it, like I didn't see the juice. He's quiet, he doesn't jump out as a leader. He throws a nice catchable ball. Ohio State has never had a great NFL quarterback, And my argument's always been j macause it's always been is that in the SEC, there's six or seven teams with NFL bodies everywhere, but in the Big Ten outside of Michigan, every team Ohio State plays is significantly less talented. And you're just it's an easy college
life for quarterbacks. As good as a Georgia quarterback is or an LSU quarterback is they're facing NFL defensive bodies every Saturday, big stadiums, loud, lubricated. It doesn't matter how good your offensive line is. Two is getting banged up. Jalen Hurts at Alabama, you're going to get hit in the SEC. And Ohio State's offensive lines five star. Ohio States receivers five star. It's an easy life and it's
not a great place to prep for the NFL. And so when my friend told me this, he said, I just and he's very broad and he knows this stuff. He's like, I just don't see it. What is your best guess? On CJ.
Stroud?
We both admit Bryce his size is a concern. He's probably the number one guy. There's a lot of back and forth on justin Fields. There's a lot of back and forth on CJ.
Stroud.
Generally there'll be a quarterback that we all sort of go, yeah, he's the best guy. Caleb Williams next year, he's the best guy. Luck Trevor Lawrence, right, Like, there's a guy Burrow. You thought he was better than I did, but he's gonna be fine. CJ. Stroud's in that justin Fields category, the Sam Darnold category, Like people are taking sides. What side are you on?
Yeah, I'm on the side of the Texans are probably a four win team.
Colin.
They were an abject disaster last year. And now you have a rookie quarterback, as you said, from Ohio State, which hasn't produced any great ones. By the way, two years ago, Stroud, you probably had a better receiver cast at Ohio State then he will this year. Remember Olave Wilson Harrison like, he doesn't have those guys in the NFL. Now, rookie head coach who is a defensive head coach, and you go on rants probably weekly about how defensive head
coaches that's not your jam in the NFL. First time play caller, I believe that is so much newness. And this is the second straight year in free agency where they just go and they just get guys. There's no like, ooh, that's a great buy, that's a great bargain, what value. You don't hear any of that with the Texans free agent moves the GM in trouble. This franchise is just I don't see it. This is definitely an under six and a half for me. I have to feel they're
in the basement in the division. It's not that hot of a take, but I think the Indianapolis Colts with Shane Steichen offensive guy, will finish ahead of the Texans.
You had this beef with KD.
And it's interesting because I don't get pro athletes reaching out to me, dming me, But when I go to an event like UFC, they all come up to me right all like a hey, Max Krass being the Raiders and Jamal Murray and you know, all the guy all the pro will come over and they're like, I can't believe it, and they're great. I stayed at a hotel in Vegas. Four NBA teams there. Players are great. I don't get dms from anybody. I mean literally, women athletes, nobody you do. What do you think it was that
set off KD and why he came after you? So this wasn't the first time we had really engaged.
So I realize back in like twenty sixteen, I was kind of on an island defending Kevin Durant's move to the Warriors. Everybody else is killing him. Alhwa's a frontrunner, blah blah blah. So I would tag him on Instagram on the stories and say great move, Kevin Durant. Here's my take on it from whatever TV show and blah blah blah, and Kevin Durant because he is not encumbered by a wife or children, and I don't even think
he has a pet. He's got his phone in his pocket at all times, responding Burner accounts, he will reply and we we've had this ongoing discussion for like seven years. I mean, I've got it documented in the DMS, and you know he'll reply, and we had firm disagreement. I was not afraid to tell him that I thought leaving
the Warriors was the craziest thing he ever did. And you know, he doesn't love when you say that, but you know, listen, he's one of the few pro athletes that's going to engage a lot of them are kind of above the fray and don't care.
I almost think, and I don't know if you'd agree.
Durant is so pot committed to being online argumentative guy that that's like kind of one of his brand layers. And so if he doesn't do that, it's like off It's not really it's off brand firm. So he now has to lean into that and fire back whether it's Jason McIntyre, Colin Cowherd, Michael Rapaport, Joe Bob. He's going back at everybody because he also has the time and
he's got a lot of money. He's done great with business since he moved out to the Bay Area for the Warriors, great business in New York with his agent Listen.
Kevin Durant's dominating.
I still don't believe in get in arguments with people on the internet is just a no win situation. I've been blocked by several guys. Odell Beckham back in the day, hated hated. When I was saying the Giants are trade, Odell I did it on the radio show. Tagged him, instant block. Baker Mayfield man. I would not draft Baker Mayfield number one, would not draft him, would not drafted, tag him instant block. Like some guys would just block and tune it out. Other guys will engage. I don't
want it to be my thing. I don't want to argue with athletes, but from time to time you get into dustop.
You and I like the same sports, you know the other thing. Obviously, I've been in the media for thirty years. I'm never outraged like never, and since I've known you, you're not. That doesn't mean it didn't bother me. When the young son went with his dad on the submarine,
that was really sad to me. It just made me sick to my stomach because all I could think about was, you know, the kid was about my son's age, and I'm like, you know, that egomaniac billionaire convinces his son to go on it, Like that's the last time I was really just in a bad mood for twenty four
or forty eight hours. It really bothered me. But are you ever surprised by how thin skinned and regularly outraged the media is when they dish out so much criticism and so much smart I mean, it's really watching the media be outraged by like normal conversations everybody has is lacking so much in self awareness. All we do is criticize, and yet so many people in our industry are so easily offended.
I just I'm taken back by it regularly. Well, it's weird.
When I was growing up, I remember the nightly news was Dan rather on one network, I think Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings. They set the agenda every night, and you know my parents would watch it. I would get roped into watching it. And if you happen to miss it, Colin, you know what, you picked up the newspaper and read it the next day. Now, I was a young kid, I don't remember it being so divisive red and blue at the time. I feel like a lot of that has to do with social media. A certain president in
twenty sixteen who was very divisive. Opinion is don't really like you aren't at the ability. I don't think you have the ability to piss me off with any take you have, because I don't know.
I'm kind of level headed.
I know Colin might be wrong, he might be right, but you know, we're all in this business we're gonna with There's a lot of people who don't take chances, Colin because they're afraid. You know, they want to be very milk toast, right down the middle. You and I know who they are. They don't want to take any chances to go after people. I'm not afraid to go after people. I might be right, I might be wrong. I'm all in on one Veniama, I've got all my poker chips in the middle. I think he's going to
be a superstar. You got a lot of people heming, well, what about the injury, Oh, you know seven five the feet. I'm like, I can't. I said, you're worried about maybe he's going to get hurt. This dude's going to be a badass. He's going to dominate the league. I'm just telling you, like three years, by the way, Luka Doncic year three was like a top seven player in the league. Wembin Yama is not going to be so like I can't get outraged, but I'm by others. I don't want
to be the guy who pushes you to outreach. But Colin, you do know this in twenty twenty three, you want people loving you or hating you. You don't want them in different.
As an East Coast guy that has moved west, it's a very distracted town. LA. The beach, the mountains, Mediterranean weather, There's so much to do, access to Vegas forty minute flight. What is your takeaway on the sort of cliche that La doesn't care about sports? Explain to an audience member in the Midwest listening in Chicago, or a New Yorker or Philadelphia fan listening to this about your takeaway as an East Coast guy, and the passion for sports out west.
Good better surprise you disappoint you interesting.
That's a great, great question, and you I think brought up on the Herd on Monday or Tuesday one of those days that the Atlanta Braves in the South right now are everything. It's like college football is massive. The Atlanta Braids are blown up everywhere, and I think they're like one of the only pro games in town. You know, a couple of NFL teams down there in the South, but it's like there's just not a lot of options.
And as you said, out here in LA it's like I drive down my neighbor street and I don't live in a ball or neighborhood, but Chip Kelly lives two streets over from me, and like, literally there's USC House. You see LA House, UCLN Like it's big. That's the one thing. The college flags, I'm sure you've seen them. There's a lot of Oregon Duck stuff out here. The college football is passionate, but you don't see as much
with the NFL. But then again, the Rams just got here after being here in the eighties with Jim Everett and Henry Ellard. The Chargers just got here five minutes ago after being in San Diego. The Lakers obviously are the show, and the Clippers are trying to crowbar In with money bags Bomber. But yeah, I would say, like right now, from my perspective in the little South Bay area I live in, right now, college sports is a
massive deal. That being said, Colin, I'll never forget. I was playing pickup basketball a to gym on it was like, you know, a January fourth or January seventh, whatever the day was, and I was like, guys, I gotta leave early. I got to go watch a national championship. And they're like, the game's only starting now. You can leave in an hour and be home at halftime. I was like, what are you talking about? I got to what's a whole game? They're like really, they were surprised, And these are like
this like a college football area. They were like surprised that I was going home to watch the Natty. They're like, oh, I'll pick up the game at halftime. And a lot of that is people just want to live life out here and enjoy it. I mean, Colin, you and I know you go to the beach on like a Tuesday at like ten thirty and it's not empty.
It is.
It's not packed wall to wall, but there's people running around, like not just young people who are unemployed, but like I'm talking to thirty year old forty year olds. A lot of people own their companies and they were able to, you know, go out and get fresh air at ten am on a Tuesday. Unable to do that now because I'm on the herd and we're live on TV. But I will just say a lot of business owners out here and guys who want to be the master of
their domain and master their universe. And you know, if that means eleven am breakfast and by the beach, so be it. And I'll be honest, that's not a bad life to have. Well, you can just go outside and you're walking on the strand or wherever you are venice boardwalk in the middle of the day because you know what, it's your business and it's your time and time is the most valuable resource we have.
Colling the most valuable resource we have.
Yeah, Well, the West Coast has always been more entrepreneurial. There's less tradition, there's more small businesses and a lot of the businesses out west tech you can work remotely. Hollywood and entertainment starts later in the day, so you know, it's a good life. Man, there's it's great to have you on the herd. It's great to have you in the volume. Jason mackin tire co Hoo, Straight fire with Jason McIntyre. All right, get outside, have some fun tonight, Bud, Thanks buddy.
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