Colin Cowherd Podcast - Ian O’Connor on Brunson Knicks Impact, Jets/Rodgers Fit, Giants/Danny Dimes Decision

everybody and welcome into the Friday Morning Podcast. So all of us, through the course of our journeys, our experiences, is going to change our perspectives, right hopefully. You know, you do something for long enough, it works, you keep doing it. It doesn't work, you move off it. And I'll give you an example of this. So when I first started dating my wife and she was an experimenter, if we went out to eat, you know, I would order the chicken palm, the New York Strip, steak and broccolini.

I would go with things I knew were going to be good. And my wife was a big gambler. You know, she's going out with sea urchin salad, with squid ink vinegarette and about half the time she'd be eating off my plate. She's like, I don't really like it. And I said, if you're gonna experiment, experiment at home and then just throw it in the trash and start over.

I said, but when you go to a restaurant, especially in Los Angeles, it's like one hundred and fifty dollars one hundred and sixty dollars for dinner, Why roll the dice. Just go with something you know as popular. So I always go into a restaurant and I'm like, what's the most popular dish? Every restaurant has strengths and weaknesses on the menu, stuff they're really good at and really known for it, and I order it. I could not tell you the last time I went to a restaurant and

left unsatisfied. I just go with what I know is going to be good. I'm paying a lot of money for it. My wife, over the course of our relationship now is a much more consistent restaurant order. She kind of goes with what she knows. She'll like sea bass, you know, whatever it is, Bolonaise. And my point is her mistakes or her missus, her frustration is probably a better word. Changed her perspective in habits, and you know

I was the other day. I'm sitting there watching some footage from the media on the combine, the NFL combine, And I used to try to for years and years. I've been doing this thirty years, try to guess if quarterbacks we're gonna make it, we're gonna bust. And over the last two years really changed my perspective on this about trying to predict what quarterbacks are going to work. Last year's class and the class two years ago, I think I nailed completely. I thought Trevor Lawrence, mac Jones,

Zach Wilson, justin Fields pretty much nailed that class. Nobody really knows about Trey Lance yet. We really don't know. My guess is it's not going to work, but nobody knows it's not playing. But I've come to the conclusion after a lot of misses that here's how I look about all these first round quarterbacks. In the last ten drafts, we've had thirty first round quarterbacks. We've only had eight stars.

Eight and in most instances, the stars have landed in the right spot with an offensive coach Deshaun Watson, with a Bill O'Brien, Patrick Mahomes. It helps with Andy Reid is that most of the time, maybe every fourth or fifth year, maybe twice a decade, there is a quarterback good enough. Trevor Lawrence Andrew Locke. I believe Caleb Williams at USC to overcome chaos, but nine them aren't. Of

the last thirty quarterbacks taken first round. It's a decade twelve whiffs, twelve misses, ten starters but really need to be carried Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins and eight stars. And by the way, I'm giving Kyler Murray a star rating. He's close. And so I've just based on so many misses, not any individual miss But I just don't think, with very few exceptions, any of these kids can overcome the Chicago Bears ownership and front office. I like Justin Fields,

Trevor Lawrence would make it work. I don't think he's good enough to overcome the nonsense. They hired a defensive coach. Now we have a first time GM. I've never liked the ownership. It's a defensive culture. It's a hard town to be a quarterback in the media is tough, the weather's brutal. You're in a division with you know Aaron Rodgers and right now Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff. You gotta win some shootouts. Bears defense sucks offenses are good in the division. So that's how I look at this

draft and the one. None of the quarterbacks who will go in the first round. CJ. Stroud, Richardson at Florida, Will Levis at Kentucky, or Bryce Young, none of them I think are good enough. None of them are all star stuff. None of them are Andrew luck Er, Trevor Lawrence, or Caleb Williams. I think whichever team goes to Seattle at the number five pick, if they draft a quarterback,

that's the quarterback that will win. They have a star coach, a star left tackle, a star running back, a star receiver, an ascending playoff momentum, roster cap space, and Geno Smith, so you don't have to start ear one that feels like CJ. Stroud was there sits behind Gino for a year. I think he'll be successful. I think Bryce Young, same situation, Anthony Richardson Florida, same situation. I don't think there's a quarterback guaranteed to succeed. I think there's a spot in

this draft, Seattle number five pick. That's the spot. Whoever they get has a very high probability to be somewhere between a starter and a star, a really nice, really nice starter. All right, quick college football topic. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, as some of you know, I was a Washington Husky football fan that I at some point in my career moved to Oregon. Covered the Ducks and the Beavers, so it's near and dear to my heart. I still love watching Pack twelve football every Saturday.

So there are a lot of stories out there right now that the Big Ten wants Oregon and Washington to join them in the conference, which would, let's be honest, mostly end the Pac twelve Football Conference. It would be irrelevant. So that bums me out because I have a lot of friends in the conference and I grew up loving it. So what I can tell you is that the Big Ten is considering bringing Oregon in Washington in, but they would not get the economic benefit of the other schools.

They would get half of it. So instead of getting that sixty five million dollar annual check from you like the Big Ten or Fox Sports, because you know Fox is in an ownership position with a conference, they'd get half of that. Whatever half a share is, it's somewhere in the thirty millions annually, which by the way, is still better than what Oregon or Washington would get from the television contracts in the PAC twelve. So I think

Oregon and Washington would absolutely take it. I also think that the SEC is a hyper aggressive, full steam ahead conference that's still going to try to cherry pick Florida State and Clemson from the ACC. So even though the Big Twelve has power adding USC and UCLA, I think it would benefit from adding the big brand of Oregon and the big market of Seattle with Washington. This is the reality of what we're going to get in college football.

My guess is we're going to get the SEC and the Big Ten over the next five years will be the dominant conferences. Now, that's not all good news for the SEC in the Big Ten because as the College Football Playoff expands the twelve teams, you're not going to take six teams from the SEC and six teams from

the Big Ten. A water down Big twelve, ACC and Pac twelve will still have representatives, and those conferences will be so weak it'll be much easier for you know, Virginia Tech or a Miami Hurricane squad to run the table. So you're going to get somebody from those thin water down conferences. But I really do envision a world where the Big ten adds four Pack twelve schools, the four biggest brands, and the SEC keeps building. They've already plucked Texas, Oklahoma.

They go out and get a Clemson or a Florida State who are unsatisfied with their ACC TV deals. And I think that's the world We're going to live in. Aggressive wins and you'll have a week ACC in, a week Big twelve, and a week Pack twelve when the elites put one team, maybe some years two in. But I think this is just what's happening everywhere in sports. You look at Major League Baseball. Right now, eight teams are Triple A teams. The Mets payroll is bigger than

the bottom seven payrolls combined. You look at the NFL, because of rule changes to make the sports safer. If you don't have a franchise quarterback and then eat franchise quarterback, you're out of the Super Bowl bubble. Look at the NBA, I mean, come on, Golden State's going on like ten years of this dynasty. Celtics Milwaukee. I mean, we've got three teams, maybe Katie and the Sun's four that have

a chance to win this thing. And so we've seen this in individual sports like men's and women's tennis, women's basketball for years and years, where there's a dominant team, a dominant performer for decades. This is what's happening everywhere in the world. It doesn't matter if it's streaming services, it doesn't matter if it's sports, it doesn't matter if it's tech. Two percent dominate, and so all these leagues have been fighting forever for parody. I think Oregon and Washington.

Eventually the economics satisfy Fox in the Big Ten and they bring them in, and USC and UCLA are already in, and it'll be a super conference in the SEC Texas Oklahoma in. They'll probably add a couple other ACC schools. It'll be a super conference, and of the twelve spots in the College Football Playoff, eight will come from those conferences. And then the ACCI get one, the Big Twelve gets one, the Pack twelve gets one. Maybe a Cincinnati and on

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New York Times bestsellers. The last one we spent a great deal of time on was The Rise and Reign of Mike Shashevski. You can always order that Amazon, all places you can order books, We bring them on as often as we can. He just got back from Maui, and as a West Coast guy, that's like across the street, but for an East Coast guy. He was on a plane thirteen hours with his lovely wife, who I've met,

celebrating their thirtieth wedding anniversary. So I've been married fifteen So I want you to our audience, what is the secret seriously to a thirty year marriage? Well, I know people who've been married a lot longer than that, so I probably am not qualified to answer a question about the sea to long term success in a marriage. But just find someone who is your best friend and never forget to treat her in that way for the rest of your life. So I've always really focused more, I think,

on our friendship than just about anything else. So hopefully I've been a really really good friend to her. I know she's been a terrific friend to me, and I think that's sort of been at the core of our relationship. Yep, Anne is my best friend and knows all my faults, and there are many so and she reminds me of them regularly, so, you know, so great to be in It is really great to be in a great marriage, you know, not to sound you know, like an old an old guy barking at all you young single peeps

listening to our podcast. But it's an amazing place in our lives. It sure so of the many things to talk about, um, you know, oftentimes New York teams, especially in baseball. Steve Cohen has made the Mets a bit of a villain by having a payroll that's more than the bottom seven teams in the sport. And the Yankees have always had that sort of image. Although I found the Yankees, you know, the Reggie Jackson, Billy Martin Yankees, so vulnerable and so likable. Even as a Seattle kid,

I loved those teams. They always had quirky characters and real personality despite steer, even the owner was crazy. I find the Knicks incredibly likable. Thibodeaux is an old school guy. Brunson got sent off by the MAVs. They didn't understand how good he was. You know, the Lakers ran off Julius Randall because in a world of threes, he hits twos. And I gotta tell you, I think they're going to knock somebody off. I like their roster. I think I

think they're another star away. But Ian I think if you sent them up against a Philadelphia I don't know if they could keep pace with Cleveland's offense. But kind of give me your forecast of the Knicks as a playoff team. I agree. I actually think the only two teams they cannot beat in the East start Boston and Milwaukee in a seven game series. I actually think they'll push those teams the way they're playing now, and they're

getting better. They've got one of the better coaches in the NBA, and tips have you mentioned Brunson is so much better than I thought he was going to be. I now believe after watching him. I admit it's a bit of a small sample size, but I do think you can win a championship with him as your second best player. I think he's not you too, I do yep, and I don't think you can win. I don't think you can have a dynasty with him. I certainly think you can pick one or two off. And he's only

what he's twenty six years old. I think he's smart enough to know he's got a really good thing in New York. New York City is a place that loves point guards for whatever reason, always has high school college in pro and yet the Knicks haven't had one long term who was really good since Clyde Fraser, so it's been a long time, and finally the Knicks have a quarterback who can lead them consistently to the playoffs and maybe on some deep runs. I think they will beat

Cleveland in the first round if that's the matchup. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks hurdle the Cavaliers and get that four seed and home court advantage in the first round. I think they can certainly win that series. I think there's a shot they could upset Philly. I think where it ends is Boston Milwaukee, wherever that series

happens in the playoffs. They'll lose that series. But that's a really good step from where they were last year, when it seemed like Tibs's program was unraveling after a really good year one. So Brunson's injections obviously key. There is a sense around all sports there are certain franchises where you have to overcome the owner. That's always been a feeling with James Dolan. Give me the person inside the organization that is orchestrated most of this, not a player,

but because Dolan has a reputation, fair or not. Who's behind the scenes, who's the puppeteer, who's making these moves in the front office. Because I've always you always hear the same four or five names. You tell me the hierarchy, who's the key, I think you have to go to Leon Rose. I mean, people talk about Worldwide West being one of the more mysterious figures in all of basketball and his connections, but I think and listen, Worldwide West and Leon Rose, they've been a bit of a partnership

over the years. They've made their share of mistakes, certainly, without question. You look at forty A, you look at Kemba Walker, and Rose actually gave TIBs some players he didn't want reddish and they had to send out a first round pick to get Reddish and then send out another first round pick to get rid of them. So they've made their share of mistakes. But Leon Rose is the guy who made one of the best acquisitions I've seen in New York in any sport in many years,

and that was Brunson. He got that done. He had the relationship to get it done through the family, his representation as well. And so now having you said, don't name a player. I think it's impossible not to name Brunson, because I think he's going to draw free agent significant NBA veterans, either through a trade or free agency, who now want to play with a point who looks at the big picture. Now, listen, he just had thirty points and a half against the Nets, and he finished with

thirty nine. He was not interested in, Hey, let me try to hang fifty fifty five sixty on these guys. He only cares about winning. He should have been an All Star and he wasn't. And he was genuinely happy for Julius Randall after he went through a miserable season with the fans and everything else last year, that he personally helped resurrect his career and make him an All Star again. He didn't just say that. It looked to me and a lot of people around the NIXT that

he really meant it. So his generosity of spirit, the way he played his body language, the way he runs a team, I think he's going to draw better players and put the Knicks finally in position to win a championship. Well, it's funny Luca couldn't work with port Zingis Porzingis has actually been pretty good since leaving him. Brunson's a star, He's not winning now with Kyrie Is, there's a there's a James Harden quality to Luca, where he's a remarkable

score but a bit ball centric. And so I think I think that it was really a catch, and I think the Knicks deserve a lot of credit. I think they're relatable. I think they I think they really you know, Julius Randall's a fascinating player. So I was in like in Los Angeles when he was a Laker. He comes out of Kentucky and the league was really in transitioning to a three point league. It was the beginning of

the Golden State stuff. And I can remember having a discussion with somebody inside the Lakers and they're like, he's going to make a really good player for somebody. We're not sure it's the Lakers. But you know what, I'll give Julius Randall credit for he mostly ian knows what he is and what he's not. He has worked on his game. I think he's a lot better offensive player

than the league thought he was gonna be. I mean, he was a great high school player, very good at Kentucky, I said, if I had never watched Julius Randall, and I said, hey, and his numbers are pretty good. Describe him? How would you describe him? He did shoot, I believe it was forty one percent from three two years ago. Of course, a lot of that was empty Jim's in the pandemic, and so some people subtracted from that performance

from three point range. But I think he's a guy who is a load offensively, and you're right, he's got a little bit of an old school game. But I think he's also given a lot of credit to Brunson for bringing him back. Remember last year, he fought with

the fans, he fought with everybody. He had this great first year with Tibbs and helped really gave New Yorkers a gift really during the pandemic, the fact that the Knicks were competent again and just playing some winning basketball had been so long, I mean really for the better part of two decades, and Knicks had been a dysfunctional product, and so Randall I thought, would never ever have to pay for a meal or a drink ever again in the Five Boroughs. But then last year, all of a sudden,

it all fell apart on him. It looked like he was going to get traded, he was going to play and complain his way out of town. And then he came back this year. He worked out in the offseason. Brunson really helped bring him back. And listen, remember Colin. When the Knicks signed him in twenty nineteen after missing out on Kevin Durant into some degree Kyrie, they had

to apologize to their fan base. Steve Mills, then the team president apologized for the consolation pieces that he signed because they were supposed to get Kevin Durant and maybe Kyrie Irving and they struck out and lost out to the Brooklyn Nets. They get Julius Randall, who has done a lot for the organization, will continue to do that, and they basically had to apologize for signing in. So he's come a long way, and I think he deserves a lot of credit for the kind of bounced back

he had off of last year. So I've said before is that I've always viewed the Mars as a reasonably good ownership group. You know, mostly pretty stoic. They stay out of the headlines. I don't think they're as impulsive sometimes as the Johnson family and the Jets or Dolan can be. I tend to think they're a little methodical. You know, they gave Tom Coughlin. There was a couple of years it was pretty lean at the end, and then listen, nobody would have guessed Coughlin out of Boston

College would have been that good. They whipped on some guys, and I my takeaway is they see in Daniel Jones even physically esthetically, they see Eli and they know how long it took for Ely and they see a really good kid from the South, hard worker, doesn't make headlines, stays out of trouble, committed to the process. And I think they they see Brian day Ball as kind of this Tom Coughlin. It's like we found this gem and it's a little rough around the edges, but he's our

Tom Coughlin. You know, they always say about New York it's got its issues, but New Yorkers those problems, those are our problems. And it's like Coughlin was, you know, purple as a plum. He's screaming, but he adapted. And day Ball still feels at times he's as emotional as a coordinator, but it works, and so I think they are committed to Daniel Jones. I think there's limitations. Here's the rub though, running backs getting second contracts. It's bad business.

If you pay sa Quan and Daniel, you're gonna have sixty million bucks in the backfield. That's gonna hamper free agency, and that defensive line's not cheap. In where do you go? Do you? What would you do? What do the fans want? Because I think most New Yorkers know you want a playoff game two of his best games where the Vikings a horrific defense. There's a ceiling here. But I think the Maras are in on him. I think they see Eli. I really do. That's my perception. Outside. You give me

your kind of your feeling about how the Maras. What do you do with Daniel? What do you do with Saquan? What do the fans want? I do think the fans want both of them back, and it's kind of funny. Daniel Jones he had fifteen touchdown passes year. He did run for seven two and that counts for something. Ran for seven hundred yards. His athleticism is the difference maker

between Eli. Manning was the better player in the better quarterback Daniel is much more athletic than Eli, but he has a lot of similarities and the things you talked about.

Certainly they were both coached by Cutcliffe. I think that to see Daniel Jones asking for more than what Aaron Judge is now making with the Yankees, who would have thought that on Labor Day, right, that Daniel Jones, who nearly was run out of town, was a couple of bad games away from being run out of town now asking for more than forty million dollars a year, which is obviously what Judge got long term. So I think when you look at the fifteen touchdown passes this year

and right, some of his limitations as a pocket passer. Wow. But I think they'll they'll pay him thirty eight million dollars a year because second tier quarterbacks, that's what the market suggests they should get. I think he'll get thirty seven, thirty eight, maybe thirty nine. I don't think he'll get forty, and he'll be your quarterback for the next three to four years. I think sat Quan's more interesting because he is you're talking about running back on a second contract.

He was number two overall, picked by a different general manager. But he is a very good player. I actually think Colin he's one of three players on the entire roster you could say could be or will be the best in the world at what he does, Andrew Thomas, Dexter Lawrence and sat Quon Barkley. He's much better Barkley is at his position, at his job than Daniel Jones is his but he happens to play the wrong position the way. Marion loves both those guys because they represent the organization

the way he wants it represented. Sa Quon Barkley is a perfect He's like Frank Gifford. He's got the Hollywood looks. He's a giant. He just the way he carries himself, the way he works, and he's a great player, and so he's just at the wrong position. I think they can I was told by a source that during the bye week the Giants offered him three years at twelve million a pop. Another source told a colleague of mine, Ryan Dunlevy, it was more twelve point five, maybe over four,

but in that twelve to twelve point five range. To me, I'd feel comfortable with paying sae Quon Barkley thirteen per in a multi year deal, and I think they'll come to an agreement. He doesn't want to be tagged, and I've talked to a source close to him who said he really really doesn't want to be tagged, so they can do it and then still work on a long term deal. I think both will be back. Don't think it'll be a sixty million total, but you're talking maybe

what thirty eight for Daniel, maybe thirteen for Saquan. It's quite an investment in your backfield. But I think it's one that John Marrow will make well. And also you can see what's happening. The Jets may have a great defense, but if you can't get quarterback figured out in twenty twenty three, it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter, you know, I mean, you know, it's Ian. It's it's interesting. The Bears have a defensive coach last place. Houston defensive coach,

last place, Jets defensive coach, last place. I thought Sean McDermott got completely worked, completely utterly worked in that playoff game against Zach Taylor and Cincinnati. And so, you know, here's where I feel good about the Giants. They have a coach on the right side. Their stars are I mean, I dexter Lawrence. I think Thibadeau's actually most edge rushers in the history of the sport in come with ego. It's a vanity position. Like how has he viewed in New York. I like him, I like his at it,

I like it. I really do like him. Yeah, I think New York will accept that as long as you perform, as you know, and so listen. I thought it was a positive and productive year one. There's nothing wrong with personality, and I think it just has to come along with results. I think he delivered in year one. It's going to be interesting to see him his career as it unfolds

in this market and us. He can be quirky and that that can work in a big way in terms of marketing himself away from the field in New York. But you have to produce, and if you don't and you go the wrong way, that can really work against you. So personality in New York is fine. It's it's it's not only accepted, it's it's welcomed as long as you produce,

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need a quarterback. Um, you know there's a lot of rumors on you know who they're gonna land to me EyeT really ugly, really fast. If I'm Derek Carr, I look at the NFC South, then I think can I beat out you know, Andy Dalton and Desmond Ritter and Sam Darnold. I mean it's it's a pretty meager lot. I could go there with Frank Reich and that defense. I could win the division. For a kid that had to go to Fresno State is overlooked by pack twelve schools.

The Raiders showed him the door despite being a life preserver on a sinking ship with multiple coaches in seven eight years. You know what's funny about car He leaves the NFL and fourth quarter comeback since he entered the league, which is a show, which is a shocking number. It's not Stafford, It's not Aaron Rodgers or Brady. The Jets are interesting defensive coach, don't have a left tackle. It's not a winning culture. Who do you think they land?

Because if they don't, Miami's gonna score, Buffalo is gonna score, and it's Belichick. It could get really ugly, really fast. In I'm gonna put Aaron Rodgers aside for a second. Let's focus on Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo, and Salo has the history in San Francisco with Garoppolo, and I actually would favor Jimmy g and most Jets fans disagree with me on this because durability concerns with Garoppolo and Derek Carr is durable. Guy plays fifteen, sixteen, seventeen games

every year and Garoppolo does not do that. But Jimmy G's won seventy percent of his games. He's won four playoff games, and he's he was one or two throws away from winning a Super Bowl. Derek Carr has never won a playoff game. Derek Carr is sixteen games, I believe under five hundred. He took the Raiders to one playoff appearance, lost that game. I know people like to compare him now to Stafford. Stafford had never won a playoff game. He goes to the Rams wins a Super Bowl.

But Stafford did lead the Lions to three playoff appearances. Derek Carr only won with the Raiders, and so it's a close call. I can understand both sides. I would favor Garoppolo slightly over car. Aaron Rodgers is a different case to me, if you look at I think I think Rodgers has a lot to gain by going to

the Jets assuming a championship. And it's kind of funny that people in New York have talked about Aaron Rodgers as the guy to bring the Jets back to the Super Bowl for the first time since man walked on the moon, when has not been to a Super Bowl in twelve years. So it's kind and he's going to be forty in what December? And I was there for Brett Farve with the Jets that one year, and people forget they were eight and three. People were talking about a Giant Jets Super Bowl that year and then he

got hurt and that was that. It was a one and done prop position. The concern I'd have with Rogers is he committed to multiple years. I do think he's somewhat diminished. He's an all time great, so he's still better than the vast majority quarterbacks in the NFL. So if Rogers wants it to happen that the Jets will do it. They'll be all in on Aaron Rodgers. There's no question about that. Obviously, you have to give away assets plus money as opposed to just money to car

or Garoppolo. But I think if Rogers decides he wants a new address, the Jets are going all in on that. And if that means giving up considerable assets and a ton of money to pay him, I think they'll do it. What I think is in it for him in legacy wise, Look, Tom Brady has seven rings he has won, so he's never closing that gap. But if he's the first guy since Joe Namath in January of sixty nine, to win a championship for the Jets and obviously the biggest market.

I think that would do a ton for him legacy wise. And he's now I wouldn't say he's irrelevant, but Patrick Mahomes is now dominating this league. So on two fronts, one against Brady and also against Mahomes, if he could win a title in the York for that organization, I think there's almost more in it for Aaron Rodgers than there is for the Jets, So I think it would have to be a serious consideration for him. Well, and Joe Douglas has hit some real home runs in the

draft the last two years. So they're not paying a lot of their best players yet, so if they can land a left tackle in the draft with Rogers enormous salary, you know they're young receivers they're not paying. They're not paying soft thaus Gardner, a Hall, the excellent, excellent running back away him. Yeah, so you can, you can. I always say if it all Seattle proved it last year. If you can find four or five starters in a draft, it's amazing what happens to your caps suddenly the expensive

guys don't feel as punitive. Let's pivot to baseball. We'll bring you on throughout the summer to talk about the Mets and Steve Cohen. But what I think is fascinating about the Yankees is when they were having much more postseason success, it felt like the manager's job was much more tenuous. Same with the GM. Now they're having less success. Everybody who wants Cashman and Aaron Boone gun and they

retain their spots. So the old George, you know, Aaron would have been on a delta flight out of town two years ago, and but here we are Brian, Cashman comes back, Aaron comes back. Do you think the criticisms of both are valid by Yankee fans? Sure? I think it gets a little extreme with Cashman. It's amazing he's been in that job now a quarter of a century and George threatened to fire him more than ten times and actually went through with it a couple of times

and took him back an hour later. And Brian is a He's an amazing survivor. That's a hell of a story to go that long with the Yankees. And yeah, I think some of the criticism it is certainly justified. I think it's been a little extream with him Aaron Boone. I think there's a sense of how Steinberner he wants to sort of stay out of it. Now. He had to get involved with Aaron Judge. He understood if he did not sign Judge, it was all going to be on him. So I think he really acted like his

father in that pursuit. But for the most part, he wants Brian Cashman to run the family business and sort of keep hal out of it, and so Brian has done that. And I think in firing Joe Girardi, he wanted to bring in a user friendly player friendly managers, and now he wants to double down and triple down, improving that he was right, that Boone was the right guy.

And so listen, if they lose early in the playoffs, if they don't win the division wildcard, lose and they don't get to at least the ALCS and at least maybe a game six or seven against Houston, then I think it's possible they'll they'll feel compelled to make a move there. But I think Boone's gonna be around for a little while, simply because Cashman wants to do everything he can to prove himself right on that decision of

fire Girardi and go to Boone. And also Hal gives Cashman just so much leeway and running that franchise the way he sees fit that I don't see that ending anytime soon. Yeah, I know eron a little bit. You know, Baseball fans tend to eat their young. So much of the analytic world has taken game day lineups and decisions out of their hands. So and I'm for analytics. I think I think there's a momentum in all sports that

data can't track. That's always it's it's almost you know, the NBA now has this kind of science analytics department where like stars or one hundred percent pain free, like Anthony Davis, and he just won't play because they're worried about a stress fracture. And it's I think it's I think it's it bothers fans. Baseball's made some really I think interesting and sharp changes. Finally, they were always reticent

for years. I sat with a double, a general manager from Richmond a couple of days ago, flying back from Florida, and he said this shot this pitchclock thing. He said it'll take twenty minutes off your games. And I'm in the car the other day in and I'm listening to a Dodger game on radio, and I live eight minutes from the grocery store, and they got through an inning. The announcer didn't have time to tell stories and wax poetic.

It was just like ball strike, ball strike. I like it because I think the iPhone has made us all impatient. We read headlines, not stories. I think the play needs to be more frenetic. How does it land? You're more of an old school baseball guy, How does it land for you? Oh? No, I like it a lot to me, Like three hours is the line of demarcation with baseball now. When I'm at a game as a fan in the stands, I sort of hope it lasts forever. When I'm working

a game, I feel differently. When I'm watching a game at home, I feel differently. The one rule I don't like is the ghost runner on second base and extra innings. I think you can get rid of that. It's too gimmicky to me. But one thing I saw years ago, my son as a teenager his early teens, and all of his friends would get together in the morning on the weekends and watch Premier League soccer overseas. Yes, and yes, it's too same here my stepsons did it, Yeah and yeah.

And that's the first American generation to ever do that. They would actually gather together watch It would be like a watch party for Man City against whether it's United or Arsenal. And I was, wow, this is something at age twelve, thirteen, fourteen, these kids, And part of it was it was a two hour game. You were in and out. And so I and none of them, not one of them, would sit and watch a nine inning

baseball game. And I asked them, and particularly my son, He's like, it's just it's born dads too long, it's you know, and these are kids who play baseball, literal league all the way through. They just didn't want to watch a nine inning baseball game that might take almost four hours. And so I do think it's smart with baseball is doing now. I think it will help tremendously sort of recruit some of these younger fans into the game.

And no, I might be old school and old fashioned in a lot of ways as it pertains to sports, but I'm all in on this one. I just wish they'd get rid of that ghost runner, because I don't know if they're gonna as much anymore with the new rules, and I just think that one is a little too gimmicky for my taste. Yeah, maybe do it in the

twelfth or thirteenth thinning. What they don't want is a Wednesday night game ending at one in the morning, where there's eighteen people in the stands and it just optically looks bad for the record. With Anne her stepsons Josh and Riley, I had the same experience fifteen years ago in the basement of our West Heart for Connecticut house. I would come down on Saturday mornings. We were closer to Boston than New York, and I was shocked. Both

my stepsons watched the English Premier League. I had the exact same experience, and I asked them, and you know what American fans sometimes don't appreciate and is that it's forty five minute halfs with no breaks. It's literally there's a time restriction on it unless you go to penalty kicks. And the truth is, I if it's four o'clock in the afternoon and we have a six fifteen dinner reservation, I really appreciate that absolutely. I took my son Kyle

to a Man City game. He became a Man City fanatic. So we go overseas and the passing reminded me of college football in the South. I felt like I was at a Georgia Auburn game. Yeah it is. It's a great game, and I think it's taken this country a long time to really sort of fully appreciate it. But for the lack of scoring, I think was an issue with a lot of American sports fans. But over time, I think that is dissipated and now it's I see it only getting more popular as we go forward. Ian

O'Connor is always it's absolutely great seeing you. Man. We'll talk a bunch of this summer a YouTube. Thanks colin the volume. Make sure to check out The dram On Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into the Volume because one of the more entertaining voices and sports unique perspective understands behind the rope also chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get your podcasts, only on the Volume podcast Network.